June 26, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 26 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 26 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 06 26 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live a program

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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and

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our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning to you. Six minutes after the top,

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they are Bill Martinez here with the President of Americans

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for tax for former America's preeminent center right expert on taxes,

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the one and only Robert Norquis. Say, Robert, how you doing?

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They all doing very well?

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Well?

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Is your head still spinning after Tuesday's primaries? I mean

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the socialists they've been saying they're coming. Well, guess what.

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They're here now, alive and well and out of the closet. Huh.

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Well, they're good. And the bad news, the bad news

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is for New York. This is not going to be pleasant.

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The good news is because we have a federalist system,

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because the people in New York can only really mess

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up New York City and New York State short term.

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We can watch what happens in New York when they

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put limits on how much you can charge you evil

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person who rents out one of your rooms in your apartment,

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and they say we have to put limits on it,

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and then you go, well, I guess then it's not

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worth my while. So now you have more homelessness as

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they learn again a three thousand year old history about

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how price controls don't work and wage controls don't work,

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and all of the things that they think are really

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new in interesting because they read them in high school

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or college. They're going to painfully after it. But here's

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the good news. Right next door, there are the other

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states going, we're not crazy, and people can move. There's

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not a Berlin Wall around New York. They can't keep

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you there, so they have to limit the damage.

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Well, people are already moving out, as you know, and

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because they saw it coming and with mom Donnie taking

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over and now seemingly having a tighter gripp holed. But

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you know, you talk about rent control. I mean, this

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is a slum lord in the making. But the slum lord,

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the lord himself, is going to be the city, right

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because there's no way they're going to be able to

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keep it up.

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No, And and where we really got slums created was

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when the government came in and created low cost housing,

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meaning very expensive housing that they don't charge much for Jerry,

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high cost to taxpayers. And one of the great things

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is when Malay the new president in Argentina came in

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to reject all those years of Juan Peronism, and which

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is really what socialism in New York is. It's wand

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Paronisms give money of the labor unions to control workers

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and give money to your friends. And as things collapse

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around because people leaver stop working, you blame somebody else

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and call the army out. But they have a new

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government there. Malay is the libertarian, free market conservative guy.

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And one of his rules was he said, those of

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you in charge of like low cost housing, are not

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allowed to call it low cost because it's very expensive.

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You can call it subsidized housing, but you may not

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in any official document refer to something in the cost

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twice as much as the private sector low cost. I

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love that idea.

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I wish we'd do that here, well exactly and then here.

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I mean it's all a ruse. I mean, it's sleight

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of hand. That's what goes on. It's the way politicians work, sadly,

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and it's really duped the people. But you know, as

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they said, they're out of the closet now and you

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see what's happening. I mean, you've got people from other

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countries now because the World Cup, we can be thankful

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for it. They're excited. I mean, whether it's BUCkies or

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in and Out or other things Walmart. You know, the

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amount of products that are available, it's beyond them. And

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of course you know they're loving some of them, our

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condiments on top of it, but overall they're almost reminding

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the rest of America why we love America.

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To have the Europeans come over to soccer their sport,

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and to discover America and put it online. I don't

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know what happened before now, whether they there's that many here,

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whether they're going to places outside of the you know,

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just going to national parks which introduce you to Bears,

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but not America, you know, but you go to small

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towns or medium sized towns and they're having these games

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all over the place. You really see the country and

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they realize the size of the houses, the low cost

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of you get second and third cups of coffee or

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a diet coke and a restaurant you go. Really they know,

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ice cubes, things they don't have over there. Air conditioning,

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I mean, the number of there's a sad part the

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number of Europeans who die from heat too much heat

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is very high, very low in the United States, very

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high over there. They don't have air conditioning to speak of.

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And it's maybe it's part of their effort not to

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use energy or something, but or they just can't afford it.

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But Europe is a poor continent compared to the United States.

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We forget that because we go visit and we go

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to Paris, the downtown area, like a couple of square miles,

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and oh, there's lots pretty fancy, pretty new, and we

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go visit cathedrals that nobody actually goes to, but they're pretty,

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and we come back and go, that's pretty impressive. If

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we'd gone half a mile out, you'd have seen depressing

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what we would consider depressing housing situations and not very

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fun places to live. Europe is in decline because of

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socialism or whatever they want to call it, welfare state.

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For so many to see that and then share it

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maybe a wake up moment for some Americans who go,

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why are you surprised? You and I have talked about

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that study that was done that if Britain became a state,

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it'd be the fifty first forest Britain, not not Italy,

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not don't know the Balkans or something Britain used to

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run the world would be the fifty first poor US

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state after Mississippi, and Mississippi's getting better and better every year.

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This is not sustainable for them, and but we ought

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to at least acknowledge we don't have to lord it

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out over them all the time. But they're not watching

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the show, right that the guy's over in Paris, I hope.

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But but Americans do need to realize how good they happen.

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Yeah. Well, and the thing is is, with these people

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coming here, I love, you know, I love their fun

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and their attitude. And you know, some of the guys

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are getting carried away and putting parking cones on top of,

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you know, some of the monuments, and unlike Americans, I

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mean they actually heard the police. The police said, hey,

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take it off, and they took it off. You know,

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the crazy people we have here in this country would

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tear down the you know, tear down the monument. But

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you know, it's just it's just fun. It's fun to

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see them having fun, enjoying themselves in our country and

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reminding us again of you know, how blessed we are.

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Grover to your point.

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Yeah, it's and now the key thing is it, Benjamin Franklin,

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Mister Franklin, what kind of government do we have? The

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lady says, they come out of the constitution, constitutional convention.

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He says, the republic, ma'am, if you can keep it.

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We have a very prosperous republic if we can keep it.

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And look, that's on every generation. We think of the

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heroism of the guys who found it and everything. But

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it's our job not to blow us that's right, and

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to keep it safe, which is not effortless. It takes

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a lot of work.

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Well, because you know, I tell my kids all time,

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there's this story I know if I share this with you.

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It's a crab in the box. This guy in you

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was in San Francisco at Alioto's, the restaurant there on

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the wharf, and he's watching this guy selling and he

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notices he doesn't put the lid back on the box.

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You know, they're live crabs. And every once a while

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he's seeing a pincher sticking out over the edge. He's looking.

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He goes, there's the water. He goes, what's this guy crazy?

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What kind of entrepreneur is he? He's going to lose

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his inventory Finally his curiosity got to him and he

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goes to the guy and goes, hey, look at I've

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been watching you sell these crabs. Aren't you afraid they're

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going to get out? I mean, every once in a

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while I see a pincher getting out, and you know,

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and there's the water. They could escape pretty quickly. And

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the guy says, oh, you don't understand it. He says, crabs

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are like people. As soon as one tries to get

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out of the box, the other people, the other crabs

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pull them back down into the box. And I say,

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you know, that's an interesting dynamic because in our country here,

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it is we came up with this great American idea

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and there were crabs in the box that wanted to

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pull these revolutionaries back into the box to be, you know,

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to forego their freedom grower.

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Yeah, it Envy is a deadly sin some people. And

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Domini thinks it's a political program and you can tap

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into it for a while, but it really is a

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disgusting approach to it's life. And when you can kind

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of expose that that's what they're doing. They try and

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demonize a group or an industry or something. And then

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and then we'll tax it and steal their money, and

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you're not supposed to care because we've already told you

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they're bad people. It's okay to steal their money. Throughout history,

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minority groups you know, Armenians and Lebanese in Africa, and

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Chinese Guys in Asia and Jews other places. You know,

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a very entrepreneurial people hate them because they're so successful

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We're talking with Robert Harquest. He is the president of

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Americans for Tax for former America's preeminent center right expert

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on Texas. You know, it's just reading this story and

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anytime I hear anything associated with Elizabeth Warren, the flags

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go up. And now you've got you know, Bernie Marino

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teaming up with her. Break that down for our audience.

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What's going on here?

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This is very very sad and very very dangerous. Ms. Warren.

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Elizabeth Warren is a left wing socialist who really wants

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the government to run everything okay out of Massachusetts. Uh,

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it's all a political act for her. She used to

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be a Republican economist and she decided in Massachusetts if

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you're want to that have power and that's where you go.

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So she did. So she actually knows better. She knows

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this stuff won't work. But I think she's playing to

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the envy and the hate and that sort of feeling

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that people have successfully in Massachusetts. Bernie Marino is nominally

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a Republican from Ohio, which is a ruby red state.

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He was a business guy who sold cars, and he

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got elected taking the pledge and never to raise taxes.

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He got elected running as a Reagan Republican. He got

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elected wanting to be for limited government. He said he

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was never going to get into the and when there

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was a movement by some in the White House, some

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people were trying to betray the president and get him

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to take the top rate and raise it like Biden

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and Obama and all these other left wing Democrats want

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to do, because that playing to envy. You know, we'd

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have pro growth stuff over here, but then we'd have

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this envy thing going for us, like that was a

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virtue instead of a sin. And this was very sad.

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I mean, the President called me the day before he

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made the night he made his final decision, and there

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was a lot of pressure from that pressure. But people

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yammering at him in his staff, okay, in the White House,

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and the president vice president was a cheerleader for this

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process was written up in the Wall Street Journal at

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the time, and his people were all pushing for this.

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It wasn't It was a close run thing, except Trump

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said no, no, no, So it happened. Ernie Marino at

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the time was a hero and denouncing this idea. This

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can never happen. We should not be playing envy and

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so on. And he just not only co sponsored with

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Elizabeth Warren Bernie Marino Republican nominally now I guess, and

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the lady Democrat in Massachusetts. They wrote a piece in

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the New York Times. Right, it's not like he thought

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this was some conservative thing. He was tricking her into.

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You know what it is. It's a three trillion dollar

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tax increase over ten years, a three trillion dollar tax

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increase which would eat up almost all of the Trump

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tax cut.

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Yeah, the big beautiful bill which is vapor. Yeah, exactly.

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Why in the world. And you know, he goes, oh,

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we're gonna save SoC security. Oh really, You're going to

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give the Democrats three trillion dollars and they gonna do

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what with it. Let's see, when Clinton got elected, SO

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Security was going bankrupt, he raised taxes and he spent

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none of it on SO Security. Then when Obama got

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elected and Sostcurity was also going bankrupt, they raised a

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bunch of taxes and none of what's so security. And

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they set up a new spending program which is going

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to go bankrupt even more than sold security. And then

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Biden comes in and he's got the ninety trillion dollars

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that he wanted to spend on the Great New Deal,

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the trillions of dollars spent, Oh, I'm sorry, and taxes

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nothing for SOCI Security. This is just the last trick

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that they go to the new kid on the black

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I'm sorry, but Bernie's the new kid in Washington evidently

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doesn't understand when somebody who hates you and wants to

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see you die and the dirt offers you, you know,

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a good idea, you might double check it with your friend,

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see if it's a good idea.

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Quote quote good good idea right.

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Every center right now, analyst in town and around the

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country has just hammered Bernie Marino led his way into office,

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said he would oppose all tax increases. Now he's cheerleading

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for a three trillion dollar tax increase, fibbing, and maybe

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he's not lying, but he thinks that this would go

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somehow to social Security. Really, really, you put three trillion

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dollars in the hands of the Democrats, and every once

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in a while they were in the House of the Senate,

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boom boom, it's gone in a ear, it's gone.

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Right. Yeah. The thing is, it's consistent. If you want

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to know what somebody is going to do, look what

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they've done. And the Democrats have always done that, So

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why would we think different now. So this proposal that

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eliminates Social Security payroll tax cap, how does this work

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or does it work?

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Well, what this really hits is small and medium sized businesses.

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That's who it's going to smash. A lot of independent contractors,

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independent workers. If you're an independent contractor or, you run

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a small business as a sub chapter as corporation. Basically

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you run the company as if inside your income tax

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so you pay personal income taxes on everything that's earned

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by the company. So the companies, you know, everything you

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put into making the things get better and better in

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the future, and like investments and so on, that all

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goes in and it's treated as if it was your

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money and you look like a rich person when you're

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really a business with money and assets to get stuff done.

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They want to have twelve plus percent on both sides

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of Social Security. Technically, you pay six percent and your

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employer pays six percent if you have a job with

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a company. Okay, of course, the company doesn't see that

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money as far as they're concerned. It's yours. They're just

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sending it to the government for you. So you really

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have your paid six percent more than you think you are.

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It just gets taken away, gets sent to the government

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for soci Security, and then there's the six percent things.

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So it's about twelve to half percent of your salary

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goes to the federal government for Social Security. There's no

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lock box, as al Gore wanted to create. No lock box.

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There's no money in a box. There's no investment in

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a box in a cave or anywhere in Washington, d c.

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The checks come in from you and they go out

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for your mom or your grandma. Okay, out the door

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the next day. There's no savings. The challenge is unlike

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a real pension, like most Americans have sixty five percent

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of Americans are in the stock market. Mostly that's people

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who have a job, and it's called a pension, but

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what it really is is your savings. It's your life savings,

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and then it builds up and then when you retire

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you can live off the savings. You can sell the

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money that's accumulated. If your social security was done the

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same way as they do in Chile in some other countries,

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and instead of taking twelve percent of your salary every year,

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every year, at every paycheck really and spending it and

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sending it to the government, it went into your savings,

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then what would happen is you could save that during

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your lifetime and you'd be much better off. You'd actually

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get more money than social security. I'm sorry, I'm trying

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to kill my phone and then I held it down

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on the wrong thing. It started to make a noise

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like an emergency. I'm afraid the cops are going to

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show up and see what the problems that turned it off.

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They can't find me now. So you'd be better off

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if you took SoC security, put it into a four

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to one k or an IRA, then you'd be rich

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and have money to spend, much better than soci security.

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The present sociecurity system makes you poor, okay, because it's

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a They don't invest the money. They just take the

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money from you now, send it out the door, and

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then later your children or your grandchildren pay for you.

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So if you just stopped doing it and let people

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put money in a four wink, we'd all be better

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off their transition costs and so on. And you have

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to figure out how to do that. But dropping three

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trillion in doesn't save social Security. It just pushed backs

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the date when it all falls apart again, right exactly,

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Because we've had many of these dates where it all

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falls apart. The solution each time has been raised taxes

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and make the problem worse in the future. So we

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need to not raise taxes. Raising taxes is what politicians

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do instead of fixing a problem.

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Were they ever supposed to yield any kind of interest

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ROI off that money they were taking from the people.

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Was it ever presented that way.

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People think of it? They renamed it so it's now

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not social certain. They don't call it an investment because

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it isn't. They don't call it a retirement savings plan

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because there's no savings. I think they've gotten a little

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more honest in the way it's presented. Back in the

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thirties when they first put it in. You know, the

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first woman to get so security check had just turned

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sixty five and they gave her a check. Where that

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money come from people who just started working. And so

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for a while, when we had many more young people

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than old people because we had more children, but older

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people didn't live as long, then you could have ten

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people giving a little bit in and then the one

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person could have a lot of money when they retired.

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But as the numbers are down to like two to one,

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you've got two people working for one, you guys think,

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and there's no build up of capital. I think the

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best thing to do is to dramatically expand education savings accounts,

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health savings accounts, your four or one K, your IRA,

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your portable pension that goes with you from job to job,

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so you don't I mean people used to get stuck

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in a job. The golden handcuffs they called them, because

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if you didn't stay there twenty years and didn't vest nothing,

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you walked out the door, you had nothing. Now its

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yours and it goes with you, which is a big

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improvement for everybody, and most people now have that, and

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we've not thanks to Trump accounts that twenty four million

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kids are going to get it like this exactly and

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have some money being saved the parents cannot to.

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Next time, you and I have really got to get

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into this. We touched on it, I think a couple

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of meetings ago, but I really want to open up

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this bucket of worms, because you know, you think the

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way the government has handled unions. They make sure that

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their retirement funds are vetted, they're invested, they get an

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ROI and here we are, the American people that are feeding,

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you know, the big engine, and we get bubkis.

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Yes. Unfortunately, because Roosevelt wanted to show immediate payout, so

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instead of saying, okay, we're going to start saving this

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and then pay it for you, they immediately took the

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money and spend it out the door, so that there

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was no savings, so it wouldn't be sustainable. It was

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never sustainable. It's technically called the Ponzi scheme. Exactly one

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person's dollar and claim you're investing it, but you're really

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handing it off to the last guy, so that all

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the new investors lose all their lose their shirts. You

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go jail for that if you're not the federal government.

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But we need to strengthen for our win ks and

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iras and health savings accounts and education saving accounts. We

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are doing that now, and we also need to let people,

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as Chili did, opt out of Social Security, say thank

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you very much. I'm gonna do this, and we'll find

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a way to make every make sure people are whole

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Porus the legal and listen constitutional professor. Hey, Horace, how you.

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Doing, buddy, Hey, it's great to be on the program.

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Well, first of all, let me say happy forth to

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July to you as we're celebrating our two hundred and

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fiftieth anniversary of the greatest country on God's Green Earth here. Huh.

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Well, I keep my flag out a year round because

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I love America and this is this season. Two hundred

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and fiftieth anniversary is my favorite time. I was a

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kid when we had the bi centennial celebration, and I

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remember a lot of it, and I actually want to

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see more of it. When I was a kid, it

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was almost a year long celebration. And I also know

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how many of my neighbors and friends and community we're

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excited about it. I see these surveys now that say

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there's a huge difference between whether you love the country

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or not.

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Yeah, it's amazing. Conservatives by and large are holding steady

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ninety percent say they love America. The differential is on

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the Democratic side, and of course we saw that. You

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know what happened this past week in New York that

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the Democratic Socialists are coming out, and I think maybe

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America is waking up to the reality that our country

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is under siege. Here.

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Well, I've been saying for a while, for a couple

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of years, that you can tell that the progressives, socialists,

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whatever you want to call these people are on the upswing,

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and they are in fact hollowing out from the inside

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and killing the world's oldest political party. Now I lament

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this because I say competition matters. Yes, they have bad policies,

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the progressive, the socialists, or whoever these people are. But

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if you have competition, the Republican Party and the Democrat

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Party actually thrive and improve. But when the canter has

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taken over, all you have now is one vibrant party,

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the Republican Party, and then you have this crippled thing

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that is the antithesis of what most voters think. Why

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is that not good? It's not good because if one

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side is the equivalent of vote for me, I'm a

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serial killer and I'm coming after your children, and the

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other side gets to just simply say I'm not that,

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you just skip the kind of dynamic competition that is needed.

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Yeah, because you're not talking policies at this point. And

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you know, not a big surprise here, because, as you said,

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the Democratic Party, you know, with identity politics, they've done

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exactly that. You know, they have, you know, tried to

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use the Republican Party as a foil, and all they

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can talk about is how much they hate Donald Trump

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and conservatism. Yeah.

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Well, take the state of Texas where I live. The

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Democrats haven't had a success statewide for over thirty years.

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And one would say, oh, I have an idea, why

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don't I change the type of person that I'm going

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to put up for a nomination as a way to

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make myself more competitive for the last thirty years. But

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guess what. Instead of doing that, the Democrats have run

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candidates that are even more radical than the candidates that

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ran just four years ago. It's like suicide by politics.

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And it is a reason. And the reason is as

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the Democrats are getting smaller and smaller, the share of

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the people who are the crazies become way more dominant.

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If you want people to put your signs up, it's

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the crazies that are going to put the signs up.

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If you hold a convention, it's the crazies that show up,

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and until some senior adults within the party stand up,

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this trend continues. I saw a survey twelve percent of

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people self described Democrats love America. Well, it's the job

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of those twelve percent to figure out how to take

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their party back or else they're headed for a collapse.

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But America suffers if we don't force both parties to compete,

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be dynamic, and offer the best options to the American people.

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You're exactly right. We have been suffering for a long time,

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and here we are thirty nine trillion dollars in debt

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and counting horse.

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Oh. Absolutely, we absolutely need a pro growth movement, an

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effort that brings success and prosperity to the American people

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while paying off our debts. We are out of control

626
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on that. But there's no incentive to actually try that

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because one of the party says I will mutilate your

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nine year olds or sex organs, and the other party says,

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I promise not to. You don't really get dynamic opportunities.

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You don't get a real potential in provements. Oh and

631
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by the way, a whole bunch of the things that

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are now differences between the party used to not be

633
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crime control used to be uniform. Immigration control used to

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be uniformly accepted by all sides. Patriotism, celebration and love

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of the country used to be universal. The radicals that

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are hollowing out from the inside the world's oldest political party,

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and you can go and look it up. There is

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no political party on the planet today older than the Democrats,

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and yet they are on their deathbed because the crazies

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are killing it.

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Well, this ideology is metastasizing. How does it not get

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how does it not get into the Republican party horse.

643
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Well, I don't see any sign that that is happening.

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I just see that there isn't much much reason for

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the right to be more dynamic. We, as I said,

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or have a staggering debt problem, and even culturally Americans

647
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have more credit card debt than they've ever had before.

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We really need to start moving away from that. And

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by the way, the people that pay cash for more

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of their things, As that number of them increases, the

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price of items will go down. And you say, oh,

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what are you talking about. Well, when people have to

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pay cash for things, they will tell the plumber, no,

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I'm not gonna pay your two thousand dollars, and suddenly

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the plumber says, well, I like your business. What if

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we did six hundred. The same is true for car manufacturers,

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the same is true for seers. All of these things

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you change the dynamic when people start actually paying out

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of pocket. We have a tax system where we automatically

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take your money and we don't let you write a

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check for it, and so people don't really pay attention

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to how much. They know they don't want to pay

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too much. And so what we've been doing is saying,

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to the least among us, we're gonna let you pay

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less and less and less. What we actually need is

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an overwhelming majority of Americans to say we got to

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start living within our means. If I wouldn't buy a

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whole new home AC system because it costs twenty five

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thousand dollars, maybe I shouldn't want to buy a whole

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can't afford it. But our system is presently encouraging that.

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Now you bring up an excellent point here, Horace. And

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the thing is is that you know, thank god, we

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have President Trump that's trying to do something about it,

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but he needs reinforcements. He can't do this all by himself.

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Well he can't.

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He can't.

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We're talking with Horace Cooper, the nationally recognized legal commentator

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and as young fellow with the National Center for Public

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Policy Research and co chair of the Project twenty one

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National Advisory Board. Well, Horace, you know, something has got

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to give. I mean, we've got a party, as you say,

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as being hollowed out, and you know, and this is

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all what you're talking about, it really demands leadership. Outside

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of leadership, it doesn't. I think we've learned some things

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under the leadership of Donald Trump, and I'm only hoping

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and praying that somehow when the mantle gets turned over

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to the next president that they would continue on with

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some of these policies and some of these ideas that

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Donald Trump has been able to institute and bring to

775
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our government, because I mean, they're there's a lot to

776
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do here, and he's shipped away and he's opened up

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some ideas, you know, for us to you know, consider,

778
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you know, what tariffs could do, how we can negotiate

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differently in a way that there's a consideration such as

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a return on investment, that it's not just the American

781
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taxpayer paying out and not getting anything in return.

782
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Right, So, there's no doubt that our president's leadership has

783
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been an amazing advantage for America in the early part

784
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of this twentieth century, no doubt about it. But let's

785
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look back at another consequential president, and that was Ronald Reagan.

786
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Ronald Reagan showed leadership. Ronald Reagan was decisive, he had

787
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a vision, and he helped to steer America. But he

788
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also had help from what we're called the bull Weavils,

789
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and they were moderate to conservative Democrats that pushed and

790
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supported the same agenda. The challenge that we have, and

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it keeps coming back to this, the challenge that we

792
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have is all of the heavy lifting is either done

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by the president or helped a little bit by his

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own party, and that requires nearly universal support. You can

795
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just go and sit down at a family reunion, and

796
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it's hard to get universal support on a particular thing

797
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like where we're going to go eat or what's the

798
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favorite soft drink. This is what the president is required

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to do right now, and it's why it's so important.

800
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Either this metastasis of the on the left needs to accelerate,

801
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kill the party and let something new start, or else

802
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.559
people need to rise up in that party and stop

803
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the metastasis. But where we are right now is putting

804
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our whole country in jeopardy.

805
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Well, you know, and you can probably go back to win.

806
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You know, Congress, these elected officials really lost sight. You

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talk about leadership and vision, and they lost sight of

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their reason to exist and the reason they went to

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d C. When you go to d C and your

810
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number one objective becomes about being reelected, then everything else

811
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is out the door. And I would say probably the

812
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single most modern figure to push that and end up

813
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siloing her party was Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi made it

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all about getting reelected. This is why she generated so

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much funds, and she held that money over her constituents

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in order to get them to do exactly what she

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said to do.

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Well, I will tell you that I agree that Nancy

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Pelosi was strategic. I will tell you that I agree

820
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that she willed it an iron fist. But I will

821
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also tell you that one of the reasons she's no

822
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longer speaker is that the inevitable take over by the

823
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.719
party that she spent her life in has been dragging

824
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:13.559
it amazingly, remarkably to the left. If she ran to

825
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be the leader of her caucus today, she wouldn't win.

826
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Hakeem Jeffries won't be the next head of the party

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come after the November twenty six elections. What I'm telling

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you is it's a radical push and until that is addressed,

829
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a lot of the problems we see that we're trying

830
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to deal with, we're only dealing with the periphery.

831
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You know, you're bringing up something quite interesting here, because

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I thought maybe the Squad, the so called squad, would

833
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require at least another election cycle. But you're suggesting, and

834
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you might be right. I could see this happening, that

835
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.719
this is this could happen, you know, a lot sooner.

836
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.000
So you know, maybe the members of the squad have

837
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been in you know, some of them have been undeclared

838
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and just waiting, you know, for this momentum to take place,

839
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and so we could see even more radical change in

840
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the makeup of the leadership of the Democratic Party.

841
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Oh, there's no doubt about it. The Senate Minority leader

842
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from New York, we are hearing his days are over. Yeah,

843
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but look what happened in the New York primary. When

844
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they showed Hakeem Jeffrey's face on the screen, the crowd

845
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:44.400
roared that his days were numbered. By the way, we're early.

846
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We're early in the primary system for this upcoming year.

847
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That means we're gonna see even more. We've already knocked

848
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out two just in New York replaced an open seat

849
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:04.159
with marks in New York, that's three. And you're gonna look,

850
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:11.000
and you're gonna see in Illinois, you're gonna see in California, California,

851
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.800
Thank you, California. And in Pennsylvania you're going to see

852
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the kinds of radical changes that are going to make

853
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it harder and harder and nearly impossible for even Hakim

854
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Jeffries to stay elected unless he announces that he too

855
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is a radical. Now he probably is a radical, but

856
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.079
he has understood that those views aren't the ones that

857
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are supposed to be publicly professed.

858
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Exactly because the battle they still have to deal with.

859
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They might win these local fights, but they're trying to

860
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:48.880
have at least Hakim Jefferies is trying to have some

861
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:53.039
national consequence. And you cannot seem to have national consequence

862
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.760
with this kind of ideology, can you?

863
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.360
This is such as I said from the this metastasis

864
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.960
is so destructive to their party it makes.

865
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.639
It nearly impossible to succeed. In twenty eighteen, we looked,

866
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.559
I'm talking about public analysts about what was about to

867
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.119
happen in the United States. In Florida, in Texas, and

868
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:29.599
in Georgia, the left nominated complete crazies, complete whack jobs.

869
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.159
And I don't mean to offend people who are wacky

870
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:39.719
that have jobs. These three places lost. Mister Kemp ended

871
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.519
up becoming the governor, completely changing the landscape in that

872
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:50.039
state because of the radical that ran in Florida, a

873
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.840
brand new two races, the Senate race and the governor

874
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.199
race ended up shifting to the right. And now there

875
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:04.519
isn't a chance realistically for statewide success in in Florida.

876
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:11.360
And similarly in Texas, mister bato urorke ran too far

877
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:16.280
to the left. And now when people throw a million

878
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:19.960
dollars for the tallar Rico race, they're just going to

879
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:26.920
be disappointed. This has been crippling and it makes it

880
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:31.119
almost impossible. Sure you can win in New York, Sure,

881
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.480
you can win in dark blue states like California, but

882
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.840
in the rest of the country, you put yourself out

883
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.000
of the prospects for success.

884
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.880
Exactly. Well, in these last few minutes that we have together,

885
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.880
Horse Cooper, I wanted to you get your insight on

886
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.559
the latest Scotis decisions. We're still waiting on birthright citizenship

887
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.559
and whether or not boys can play in men's sports,

888
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.880
but we did get a couple of decisions as of

889
00:52:57.960 --> 00:52:59.280
this recording, right.

890
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.800
Yeah, So let me tell you what I suggested is

891
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.159
a problem that is happening. Look at the Dobbs decision

892
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:12.199
when it came down, it was all but ridden by

893
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.800
late February early March, and in fact, when the decision

894
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.559
finally came down, there weren't many changes at all. But

895
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:25.960
what was the case. Opponents pretended that they couldn't get

896
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.159
their arguments made, they couldn't get their descent completed, and

897
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.440
what that did was stretch out the amount of time

898
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.679
before the ruling could be issued. I predict that that's

899
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:46.280
the same phenomenon at work today. When you are a

900
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.239
justice you can't even tell what a woman or a

901
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:55.519
man is, it very likely that you would stall when

902
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.400
it comes time to offer your descent. You see, the

903
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:03.639
opinion can't come down until both the majority decision and

904
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:09.039
the minority decision are completed. These high profile cases are

905
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:15.360
hindered precisely because the minority isn't willing and guess what

906
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.039
the left wants to do. The left wants to do

907
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.880
in response to this is dramatically increase the size of

908
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:29.119
the court so they can quickly put on three hardcore

909
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.960
leftists on the court. That this is not a plan

910
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:38.800
of success, it's a plan to delegitimize our court system.

911
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.960
So regarding birthright citizenship, they're just continuing to kick this

912
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.000
out the road for as long as they can get

913
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.440
away with it. Along with whether or not we're going

914
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.880
to allow boys to play in girls' sports, then.

915
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.719
Well, this is one of the tactics or strategies that

916
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:02.360
we have seen for a while since the three hardcore

917
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.559
leftists have gotten on the court. I can't tell you

918
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.480
how the court is going to rule on birthright citizenship.

919
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.800
I can tell you how they should. I can't even

920
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.760
tell you how they're going to rule on boys and

921
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.320
girls in athletic events. I can tell you how they should.

922
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.320
But I can also tell you that the left on

923
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.519
the Court doesn't want to see a constitutional decision with

924
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.639
regard to birthright citizenship. If the majority says the executive

925
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.480
order is unconstitutional, but Congress could by simple statute change it,

926
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:42.559
the left won't be happy about it and they would

927
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:47.480
foot drag. And the same is true about these rules

928
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:52.000
with regard to gender and participation in sporting events.

929
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:56.840
Right, well, the courts did give Donald Trump a couple

930
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:58.920
of wins in regard to immigration.

931
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.400
Right well, absolutely, and in fact you saw a very

932
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.719
very sharp descent. It was a common sense idea that

933
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.519
the White House actually can decide whether or not special

934
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:17.440
exceptions are provided to certain people from say like Syria,

935
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.639
and if they change their mind, they can decide that

936
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:25.920
those special circumstances don't exist. The descent would argue that

937
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.760
that is okay, that you once granted, you get it,

938
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.119
you get to keep it. You can't ever change the circumstances.

939
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:41.000
But thatinges upon the ability of the executive to make

940
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:46.000
national security determinations. There was a Hawaii vote that said

941
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.559
that if you have a permit, the state can't simply

942
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:56.039
ban you from entering any regularly publicly accessible event unless

943
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:01.599
you forfeit your right to a carry concealed, even though

944
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.880
Hawaii has granted you that option. So again the court

945
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.840
makes progress, and again the descent stalled.

946
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:15.360
Exactly. He's the former constitutional law professor, recognized legal commentator,

947
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.159
and author, the one and only Horace Cooper. Thank you, Horace.

948
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.800
Take care, God bless God, blessed.

949
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former Muslim from Turkey. She's now a global Christian broadcaster

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and founder of Ishi Goblin Ministries. Doctor Ishik, Welcome the show.

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Good to have you with us.

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Thank you so much, real good to be with you.

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Well, you know, it's I'm so grateful for you coming

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on because our audience needs to be reminded of what

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we're dealing with here in Iran. Help us understand. I

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mean there's lots of you know, I often say on

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the show, and the absence of fact opinion rules, and

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this is one thing about America, you know, we have

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people's opinions and it gets confusing, and I think it

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gets in the way of finding, you know, the right resolution.

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If that's fair to say.

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Absolutely, it is fair to say. Because our problem we

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are dealing in America about Iran situition is not actually political,

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and there's so much ignorance is going I think that

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is the biggest problem that we are facing, because we

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need to separate the dictatorship of Iranian evil regime from

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the Iranian people who I'm desperate for their freedom.

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Right, And I remind the audience I go look at

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You've got to remember the IRGC and the leadership this

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terrorist regime that is controlling ninety two million people. They

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mowed down over fifty thousand people in the street.

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Yes, and more people are like about right now. Fifty

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thousand people gave their lives for their freedom. And I

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want to tell you I didn't learn this from textbooks.

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This is my life. It is very personal to me

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what they are going through right now, and it is

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why I want everybody to pay attention to the cry

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of human beings that this is not a political game

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of we are playing right now unfortunately in America between

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left and right. This is all about human life, human rights.

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Well, you know, to imagine what it must have taken

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for the people of Iran to come out in mass numbers,

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you know, revolting and letting their opinion know about the

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failure of their government. I mean they had to be

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at the end of their rope to make that kind

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of demonstration, right.

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Absolutely, Irnu see government is increasing fear based operation and persecution.

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You know that government is exposed and that government is weak.

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Because any government or any person really has the confidence,

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they never do what they are doing right now.

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Well, I have to say that most Americans who are

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compassionate towards the Iranian people understand and are grateful to

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some degree with what President Trump is trying to do.

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I know that he made a statement about wiping out

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of civilization. He wasn't referring to the ninety million reasonable

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Iranians that want that want peace and want liberty. This

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is the thing that I was encouraged when I watched

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their courage and their bravery to come out in numbers

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against their government for the sake of liberty. It reminded

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me of America's early days almost two hundred and fifty

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years ago.

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Especially, you are so right on this because we live this.

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We know how.

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Freedom caused us. This is why I'm so grateful for

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our military. And when Trump says our president says anything

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like this, he means this what they where it takes

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what they were the costs. We are ready to pay it,

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and actually exactly what Iranians are saying right now. If

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we need to give all our lives here for our freedom,

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this is a very historic moment. We are going to

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do it.

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You know, President Trump has paused in the name of

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peace to see if he can negotiate. You are very

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familiar with, you know, with Islam and the mentality. I mean,

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this has been going on for a long time. I

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don't I've just said on the surface as a student

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in the last several decades of Islam in particularly, I

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don't know how you can negotiate with a terrorist organization

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that once you're dead and gone.

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I don't believe there's any way you can negotiate under

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tequila law in Kuran. I am very familiar with it.

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I have done it.

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You can swear, you can use the name.

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Of Allah, you can't say anything, and you can become

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a line machine gun, but you mean none of the

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words that you say, or you can even sign papers

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and it doesn't mean a thing. And this is I

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believe it, Oh my heart, this is what is happening

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right now.

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Unfortunately, so if I'm hearing what you're saying you and

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I are probably very compatible in realizing that there probably

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will never be peace with this regime.

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No, I don't believe in peace. I mean in the

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name of peace. I call it fake peace. There was peace,

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anti crisis is going to offer us peace, Bible says,

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and I am calling this are shaking hands with the

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devil and it will never work.

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Right exactly, Well, there's never been an indication in the

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history in thousands of years, has there been any indication

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where where Islam? You know, because for a while there,

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I mean, we had a former president, you know, saying

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that Islam was a religion of peace. And even when

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he said that, I go, that just sounds rather ignorant

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to me.

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Yes, more than ignored. Actually, it's part of the ideology,

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I will say, Bill, because ideology is Jihad is radical Shariah.

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Ideology is not only physical jihad, economical jihat, media jihat

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educational in jihad, so educational on jihad and media jihad

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brainwashes people. Is Islam is a peaceful religion and if

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you keep hearing it, you are believing it. Paige comes

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through hearing periods and people start hearing lives after life.

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They start believing Islam is the peaceful religion, which Islam

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is the own on the way peaceful religion. If the

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entire world passed out to Islam and becomes Muslim, there's

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no other way of peace.

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Yeah. And you know it firsthand. You you were married

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and you survived a severe, abusive and a violent marriage

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to an extremist that was involved in jihad. Right absolutely.

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I was part of it. We were doing educational jihad.

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We were signing students Muslim, radical Muslim students to Harvard, Yale,

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and Princeton, one of the toughest Ivy League colleges universities

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so they could become prominent, powerful people in America. And

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we are seeing and one of them, I do believe

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it all my heart was our president in a while ago,

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and you mentioned his name, and I want to tell

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you this is part of jihad.

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Yeah. So this has been going on, not in the

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last couple of years, this has been going on for decades.

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Right, Oh, this has been I have been in the

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United States for thirty years. Thirty years ago. I was

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part of it. And it is happening right now in

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front of our eyes. It is being exposed. I should

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say in front of our eyes right.

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the thirty years as you first started out, you know,

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it was a consistent effort to get into the culture

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so brainwashed that terrorists were not terrorists, they were freedom fighters.

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We believe that they were ready to clean ethnic cleansing

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a radical, fanatical Kouran course h twelve years old.

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We're talking with doctor eshik and you know, doctor eshik I,

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I've often said early on that even Muslims who appear

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to be moderate, that when you know, given a choice,

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it's easier for them to choose to be a terrorist,

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to engage in jihad once you know, once the alarm

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goes off and you've got a power force that says

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you are now a jihadi, right, you.

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Are a jihadi, and it is an honor for a

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good Muslim to become a jihadi.

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Number one.

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Number two, there's no salvation promise in Islam like in

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the Bible, and there is a promised salvation that you

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could go to paradise immediately if you kill and die

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in the name of Allah, and if your life is

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a living hell on the face of earth, just like

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we see in a lot of Muslim countries, why not

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to choose to go to paradise immediately and honoring Allah.

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I think there are so many good things that they

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are in deception, devilished deception there or offering to those

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Muslims that a lot of them are choosing that way

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unfortunately to become a terrorist.

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This has got to be tough for you to witness

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what you see happening across the country in certain communities,

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whether we're talking Minnesota, Texas, the mosques that are going up,

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hundreds of moss that are going up. I mean, I

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got to imagine the alarms are going off in your head,

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you know, and all around you.

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Right absolutely after September eleven, I got. I was a

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new believer during September eleven. I was one year old

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in Christ and we said we will never forget. You know,

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united we stand and we forgot, and we are divided

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right now. And this is a home land security issue.

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This isn't a religious issue, this is this is human

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rights homeland security for me, and this is a trauma

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for just watching. I am right now in a Times Square,

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New York City right now for meetings, and I I

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want to tell you it is trauma right now seeing

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how people are so freely are being offensive to our

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freedom here right.

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Well, it's amazing to me because you know, I tell

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our audience that you have the sound of prayer that

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goes on speaking of New York and Times Square right now?

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Is that just happening once a week or is that

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on a daily basis?

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Now?

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Well, since we have been mayor here, unfortunate to be

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an agenda, it is increasing from one to two, three times,

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five times, and they are proud of it, and they

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are forcing it. They are forceful. And I think if

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this is a freedom issue, this means we are losing

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our freedom as other Stitizans, non believing Muslim Stitizans in America.

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And this is a scary part of what is going

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on here.

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You mentioned in nine to eleven that you were a

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first year Christian. Tell us about what was it in

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01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:01.319
your life that opened up your to embrace Jesus.

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Oh Now, I grew up during Civil War years, Bill,

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I was traumatized at home. Outside of the home, violence

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was everywhere, and I was a little girl that witnessed

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people killing each other during Civil War years, Armstand Lakes Flying,

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I woke in the Blood Lakes as a nine year old,

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seven year old and coming to America, I was I

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escaped for my life from my radical Muslim husband who

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put a knife on my throat and told me to

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jump from a very high building. And it was my escape,

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and I had a high You know, I was a

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career woman at that time, highly educated, but my mindset

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was a Muslim, so my education didn't help anything. And

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after so many failures, I found myself in a place

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of suicide. On the day I was going to commit suicide,

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Jesus Christ revealed himself to me in a miraculous day

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in my Christian boss's office, and I still under my

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life to him, and he changed my life for the better.

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Of course.

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You know, I've often said that when you are involved

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in a culture and ideology, it really dumbs you down.

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How liberating was it for you to accept Christ? And

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all of a sudden the scales are falling off and

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01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:24.199
you are you're getting a new kind of a download

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01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.079
of heavenly intellect? Is that fair to say?

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01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.800
It is? It is to have mind of Christ and

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when they intellect? Because that day, I remember I was

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twenty eight years old and I was feeling like I

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01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:41.119
was ninety years old. I had the world on my shoulders,

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01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.920
and grace of Jesus Christ was tangible, He tangibly physically.

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01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.239
I could feel it. The weight, tons of weight were

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lifted on my shoulders and I became a new creation.

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It was so real to me that from that moment on,

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01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:57.920
I became a soul winner and I let have it.

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People to Christ in the next week days without knowing

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01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:04.520
a single word of God Bible verse. I was just

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01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:08.119
telling them Jesus Christ is real and he saved my life.

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Just like Summer.

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It's a woman, bill Well, and just like the blind

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01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:13.640
man I tell people all the times. I think sometimes

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01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:18.359
they try to make their conversion story so complex when

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01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:21.199
it really is so simple, you know. And because that's

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one of my favorite stories in the Bible, and you

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01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:26.720
talk about a testimony and a witness, it's just the blindness.

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I don't understand. All I know I was and now

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01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:30.840
I am, right, Amen.

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That is the amazing grace on all of our lives

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01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.800
once we really know Him on a personal level. Definitely.

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01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:43.319
So obviously you got out of this violent marriage, right, yes, yeah,

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01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.760
but you still pray for your husband, don't you.

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Oh?

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Yeah, of course. And forgiveness is not an option for

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01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.640
us if we want to start our healing journey. And again,

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01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:56.680
we can't expose the radical Islam, but we are still

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loving them, Jesus said. When I was a first time

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I heard this from my Christian boss. He said, Jesus says,

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love your enemies. And that was mind blowing revelation to

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me because I have never heard anything like that in Islam.

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And we need to love them.

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Yeah, because you're raised with ancient hatred. I mean this

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01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:22.079
is generational, thousands of years of hatred that you know,

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01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:26.239
you weren't the first generation to be, you know, indoctrinated accordingly,

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01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:29.920
and you know you're you're taught to hate, to think

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01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.319
that everybody's less than and then and then all of

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a sudden you start reading the Word of God and

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you realize, Hey, as a child of God, I am.

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I am made in the image of God to reflect

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God's image of love and grace and mercy and forgiveness. Uh.

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It's like, wow, what what a new beginning for you?

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Absolutely, you know, Corey Tamboom said books, if people can

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be taught to hate, they can be taught to love. Yeah,

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and it is my story.

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Well what a great story. And of course we're hearing today.

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01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.520
I know that sometimes people freak out when they hear

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01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:12.239
about all the bad news, and I tell people sometimes,

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01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:14.479
you know, I say, you know, I consider myself to

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01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:17.000
be a butt Christian and they go, a butt Christ,

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01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:18.600
What do you mean by buck Christians? I said, well,

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because when you read the Bible, you hear all the

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bad news is coming, and it says but for Jesus,

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01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.920
but for God. Right, So I say, you know that's me.

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I'm a butt christ because I believe in that transitional

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phrase that God uses so powerfully that regardless of how

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01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.239
bad it may look. Because look, look what's happening in

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01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:38.880
the Muslim world. I mean, people are dreaming dreams, just

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01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.479
the way the Bible said that people would do, and

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01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:43.680
they're coming, and they're dreaming about Jesus.

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01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:47.479
Yes, Melias are coming to Christ. I want to tell

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01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.880
you through our ministry. Also, I had the privilege of

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01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.119
leading a terrorist to Christ who wanted to kill me,

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01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:59.039
and he surrendered his life to God gloriously. It was

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01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:03.359
a true moment. And so many of them sometimes writing

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01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.520
to me so angry, and the next day they are

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01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:10.039
seeing this man in white in their dreams. So I

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01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:12.960
am not doing this alone because Jesus is with me.

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01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:16.159
We are on the same team, and he's revealing himself

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01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.319
to Muslims through dreams and missions.

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01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:20.920
You know what is it like? I mean here it

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is for all that you've gone through, doctor Shick. Is

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01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.920
that you you know you're threatened by a husband, You're

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01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:33.159
living in fear. God liberates you. You are free, you

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01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:40.119
are vibrant, and you are all all in for Jesus.

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And you are confronting terrorists eye to eye, face to

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face that want you dead, and you have the courage

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01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:53.479
and belief in God that you will still speak the

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truth regardless.

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Yes, because I didn't learn Islam from textbooks. But I

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01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:03.199
didn't learn also Jesus Christ from textbooks. I have a

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01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:07.319
personal encounter with him. So there is one thing nobody

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01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.560
can take it from you when you meet Jesus. And

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you know in Book of Revelation it says we overcome

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01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:16.239
the enemy. We overcome him how by the blood of

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the Lamb, by the word of our testimony. So I

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01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:22.680
am obligated. I am called to share my testimony before

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01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:26.840
any message because we can overcome this evil regime and

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01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:31.479
evil deception throughout our testimony. And this is what I am.

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Doing because we want everybody to have what we have. Right.

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Oh, yes, it is almost like you got healed from

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01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.840
this disease that nobody could cure. And then when you

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01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:45.560
find a cure, you want everybody to know he is

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01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.479
the cure. And for us, Jesus Christ is the cure,

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01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:50.800
and we have to let everybody know about that.

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01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.399
Well, doctor zhek Al, But thank you so much. She

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hosts a TV and digital programs airing in two hundred

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and trauma, recovery, women's rights, and life under political Islam.

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Doctor Asheck, thank you so much for being with us.

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You bless us, take care of all life.

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Thank you, Bill.

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Nutrition for Patriots.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez.

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Here.

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Good to have you with us sharing a part of

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your day. For more information on the show and check

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it out, Bill Martinez Live dot com. The American Cancer

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01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.600
Society is estimating there's going to be over two hundred

1463
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.800
and twenty nine thousand new lung cancer cases in the

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01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.720
United States this year. Finding lung cancer early before it

1465
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:40.520
spreads greatly improved survival rates, so early detection is critical.

1466
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Lung cancer screening is considered one of the most effective

1467
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.520
tools available in early detection, reducing the risk of death

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01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:51.000
from the disease by twenty percent. Michelle Fatralle is going

1469
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:54.119
to be joining us. She's a registered nurse and health advocate.

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01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.199
We're going to talk about lung cancer screening, eligibility, the

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01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.560
misconceptions surrounding the disease, and why so few high risk

1472
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.920
individuals are getting screened. Michelle, welcome the show. Good to

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01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:05.560
have you with us.

1474
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.239
Thank you, it's great to be here.

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01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:11.399
Well, lung cancer third most common cancer in men and

1476
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.239
women combined in the US, right.

1477
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.279
Yes, and of course, well and you said you said it.

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01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:21.000
According to the American Cancer Society, in twenty twenty six,

1479
01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:25.279
they anticipate two hundred and twenty nine thousand to be diagnosed.

1480
01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:30.960
Wow, that's a growth. So again we're looking at lung

1481
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:37.479
cancer being quite prevalent specifically the NSCLC in the United States.

1482
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:41.720
Right, Yeah, non non small cell lung cancer accounts for

1483
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:44.840
about eighty to eighty five percent cases of all lung

1484
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:45.800
cancers diagnosed.

1485
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:50.479
So clearly what we're sounding the alarm on is early detection.

1486
01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:52.720
It is most important, right.

1487
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:57.800
Yes, early detection matters because, just like with other cancers,

1488
01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:02.000
if lung cancer is found early, it's treatable and sometimes curable,

1489
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.840
which I think you know, we don't hear that message

1490
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:07.439
enough about lung cancer and.

1491
01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:09.880
The screening guidelines used for testing.

1492
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.479
Yeah, so the United States Preventative Services Task Force recommends

1493
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.279
an annual lung cancer screening with a low dose CT

1494
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:21.640
based on the current guidelines, which are eighty ages fifty

1495
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:25.399
to eighty with individuals with a twenty pack year history

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01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.359
those who are currently smoking or have quit smoking within

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01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:30.920
the past fifteen years.

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01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:34.119
Now, when you say twenty pack history, that's like over

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01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.199
the year, right, So we're basically saying, what half a

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01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:39.399
pack a week or something.

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01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:41.880
Well, if you well know, if you smoked about a

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01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.119
pack a day for twenty years.

1503
01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:47.560
Oh, a pack of day.

1504
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:48.439
Or half a pack a day for forty years?

1505
01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:48.760
Right?

1506
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:53.920
So yeah, okay, and the cancer screening explain to our

1507
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:55.920
audience what does that entail?

1508
01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:59.039
Sure, it's so, it's a lodos cat scan. And I

1509
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:01.319
do like to clarify because I get the question a lot.

1510
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.640
Is this like the MRI the long tube you go in,

1511
01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:07.800
And it's not. It's the more donut. We always describe

1512
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.239
it as the donut shaped machine. So it's open on

1513
01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:15.319
both ends, and it's a quick scan. The scan usually take.

1514
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.119
The scan itself usually takes about less than a minute.

1515
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:23.520
There's no IV required, no DIE required. It's quick and

1516
01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:26.960
it's easy, and it provides a detailed view of the lungs,

1517
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:31.760
including the ability to you know, detect small spots or nodules.

1518
01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:34.560
Michelle, that's incredible. I mean, just like you said, if

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01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:35.960
you go into tube, you could be in the tube

1520
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:39.239
fifteen to twenty minutes in most cases generally, and here

1521
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.640
you're talking about you know, maybe a minute or two.

1522
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:44.800
Yes, very matter of fact.

1523
01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.720
A lot of times, you know, I would tell people

1524
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:48.920
it takes longer to get you set up for the

1525
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.159
scan than actually getting the scan itself.

1526
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:55.880
So what is a biomarker testing and how can it

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01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:59.119
be used to guide treatment plans following a diagnosis?

1528
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:02.640
Yeah, so you know, you talked about early detection being key,

1529
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:06.520
and early detection is key because it leads to early treatment,

1530
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:08.520
but you know, we want to make sure it's the

1531
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:12.159
right treatment, and the comprehensive biomarker testing at the time

1532
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:17.279
of diagnosis allows healthcare providers to consider more tailor or

1533
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:19.319
targeted approach to care.

1534
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:24.199
You know when you talk about adoption rates of screening

1535
01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:27.880
for eligible patients in the US, that they still remain low,

1536
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:31.279
about twenty five percent, particularly in comparison to other cancer

1537
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:35.119
screening programs such as breast and color rectal cancer, which

1538
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:38.920
is about sixty five percent. This is revealing a critical

1539
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:40.880
implementation gap, right.

1540
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:43.760
Yes, you know, we need to do better with lung

1541
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:46.680
cancer screening. And you know, I talked to a lot

1542
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:50.279
of people about lung cancer screening and there are still

1543
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.560
many people that aren't even aware that there is a

1544
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.560
screening for lung cancer. And so you know, that's part

1545
01:30:56.600 --> 01:30:59.920
of our message is to talk about it, to raise awareness,

1546
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:03.039
and to talk to your doctor or your healthcare provider

1547
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:07.039
about screening and you know, lung cancer screening specifically to

1548
01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:08.119
find out if you're eligible.

1549
01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:10.880
What are the barriers that are holding this number down?

1550
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:15.720
Michelle Well awareness is a big barrier, I think, you know,

1551
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.720
fear of lung cancer itself can play a role in that,

1552
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:23.960
which is why again, you know, we push the message

1553
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.399
of early detection is key.

1554
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.720
And can make a difference even in lung cancer.

1555
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:33.479
You know, it's more treatable and sometimes curable, and we

1556
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:37.000
don't always get that message out there. People don't always

1557
01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:39.800
get that message about lung cancer. And there is some

1558
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:44.760
stigma surrounding lung cancer right now, the eligibility criterias for

1559
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:49.399
those who have smoked, but about fifty percent of individuals

1560
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:52.560
diagnosed with lung cancer don't even meet that criteria at

1561
01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:56.319
time of diagnosis. So stigma can play a role in

1562
01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:56.920
that as well.

1563
01:31:57.319 --> 01:31:57.560
Well.

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01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.279
With the technology is available and the smart things that

1565
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:05.079
are happening in healthcare, you know, maybe we just encourage

1566
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:08.520
people as best we can to put aside those fears

1567
01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:12.119
and let's let's apply some common sense here. So what

1568
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.640
are you know, Michelle, you know, you're advising people, say

1569
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.800
in a in a room of you know, let's say

1570
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:22.399
twenty thousand people, and you know, what would you tell

1571
01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:24.359
them that they need to be concerned about and what

1572
01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:27.880
would make them a candidate to you know, not to

1573
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:30.359
pass go or collect two hundred dollars, but go and

1574
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:31.000
get checked.

1575
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.239
So yeah, I would encourage any well, so anyone who

1576
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:39.640
has a history of smoking talk to their doctor about

1577
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:42.800
screening to see if they qualify. I think that's the

1578
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:46.640
most important thing. Even if you're not sure, just talk

1579
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:50.520
to your doctor, talk to your healthcare provider. You know,

1580
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:52.319
that's the best thing you can do, is just to

1581
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.479
have that conversation with them to find out if you

1582
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:56.279
are eligible.

1583
01:32:57.119 --> 01:32:57.319
Yeah.

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01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.239
I mean, if you look back in your history and

1585
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.199
whether talking twenty packs a day or whatever, but you've

1586
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:06.079
had a history of smoking, maybe that should be one flag.

1587
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:08.319
And especially if it's been a long term kind of

1588
01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:11.640
a lifestyle. Even though maybe you haven't smoked and you

1589
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:16.239
gave up smoking, you know, decades ago, you still want to,

1590
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:18.319
you know, be wise about this, right.

1591
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:21.199
Yes, And I would say it's still worth that conversation,

1592
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:26.760
you know, with your provider to check into your eligibility

1593
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:30.199
for screening or if there's other next steps that they

1594
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:32.439
would want want you to take. But I would always

1595
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:35.399
encourage just to ask the question, even if you're not sure.

1596
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:39.000
Right, we're talking with Michelle Fatall. She's a registered nurse,

1597
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.640
a director of lung cancer Screening Programs and Initiatives at

1598
01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:48.760
Longevity Foundation, Michelle, what about people who are around you know,

1599
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.880
we heard a lot there for a while. I haven't

1600
01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:55.600
heard a lot lately about people that are around secondhand smoke.

1601
01:33:56.439 --> 01:34:00.439
Yeah, secondhand smoke as best as exposure, raid on ex exposure,

1602
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.720
air pollution, occupational hazard or hazards.

1603
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:04.560
These are all.

1604
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.239
You know, things that can contribute or factors that can

1605
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:14.800
drive lung cancer as well, which currently the guidelines don't

1606
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:20.520
include these exposures. However, like I said, we always just

1607
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:24.640
encourage people to to just to talk to their doctor

1608
01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:27.159
to find out if they are eligible.

1609
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.880
So you have to be eligible in order to go

1610
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:31.760
through this program.

1611
01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:36.239
So in order for insurance coverage, there are some programs

1612
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:41.239
and you know it's specific to you know, different healthcare facilities.

1613
01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:43.079
But this is why it's always important to refer back

1614
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:45.319
to your provider. There are some programs that do offer

1615
01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:50.640
screenings outside of guidelines. There's many now that are offering

1616
01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:55.800
screenings to first responders and firefighters. So you know, it's

1617
01:34:55.840 --> 01:35:00.199
always worth that conversation to find out if there's in

1618
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.359
something being offered at your health care facility.

1619
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:05.920
Well, I got to imagine some of these vets who've

1620
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:07.640
come back and they've been around burn.

1621
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.279
Pits, right, Yes, and there are I know the VA

1622
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:14.560
has a big screening program as well, and so and

1623
01:35:15.039 --> 01:35:18.880
there are some programs too that yes, they will you know,

1624
01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:20.640
they offer that for some of the veterans.

1625
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.000
Well. As we wrap things up here, Michelle tell our

1626
01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.119
audience about Longevity Foundation.

1627
01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:31.840
So Longevity we're a national lung cancer advocacy organization dedicated

1628
01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:36.119
to improving the outcomes for people affected by lung cancer.

1629
01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.199
The Foundation works to advance research into early detection and

1630
01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:44.239
more effective treatments and to ensure patients you know, have

1631
01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:49.760
access to these advances. Our mission is to improve survival

1632
01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:52.479
and quality of life for people living with lung cancer

1633
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:55.920
and for their loved ones, while promoting health equity by

1634
01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:58.600
addressing disparities throughout the care continuum.

1635
01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:01.119
And a website that are listeners can go to for

1636
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:01.800
more information.

1637
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.600
Yes, they can visit Longevity dot org for more information.

1638
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:10.560
Michelle Fatrall the registered nurse, the director of lung cancer

1639
01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:14.880
Screening Programs and Initiatives at Longevity Foundation. Michelle, thanks for

1640
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:15.920
being with his take care.

1641
01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:17.600
Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Hey, we're back by the Bill Martinez here along with

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Adam Holtz from plugged in dot com. Mister Adam, how

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are we doing there on the West Coast?

1719
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The West Coast is is foggy and chilly this morning,

1720
01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:34.279
but otherwise.

1721
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:35.840
Okay, and still socialistic.

1722
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:40.319
Oh yes, that's a given unfortunately, right, Yeah.

1723
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:43.880
They're pretty well talked about being plugged in, right, They're

1724
01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:47.000
kind of siloed there, and you know, we'll have to

1725
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:49.079
see how this plays out. Of course, the East Coast

1726
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:52.159
is going through their birth pangs, and you know, I

1727
01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:54.800
think I hear Paul Revere on the East Coast saying

1728
01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:55.960
the socialists are coming.

1729
01:40:56.600 --> 01:41:01.079
Yeah, well, you know, I guess people are going to

1730
01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:05.720
get to find out, right, let's let's see what happens.

1731
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:10.039
And I mean I have an idea because I'm old

1732
01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:14.520
enough to have lived through it the first time. It's

1733
01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:17.199
not going to end well, I mean it's but I

1734
01:41:17.239 --> 01:41:22.239
do think it speaks to you know, a lot of

1735
01:41:22.239 --> 01:41:24.960
people in the younger generations are just they're fed up

1736
01:41:25.319 --> 01:41:28.319
with what they see as a lack of opportunity, with inflation,

1737
01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:33.479
with affordability. The needs are real, and so I get

1738
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:38.479
the emotional appeal of the proposed solution, right. And if

1739
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:40.359
it seems like, oh, you got a bunch of big

1740
01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:44.600
companies and a handful of billion and trillionaires getting theirs

1741
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:49.920
and we're you know, struggling to scrape buy I get it. Unfortunately,

1742
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:53.239
I would suggest that the prescription is not going to

1743
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:55.000
cure the disease.

1744
01:41:55.720 --> 01:42:01.319
Yeah, we would say in the business context that correct observation,

1745
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:04.880
wrong conclusion. You know, these kids are right, I mean,

1746
01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:08.039
there is pain here in River City. The solution is

1747
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.319
not to bring on more pain. And as we experienced

1748
01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:14.800
in COVID that the solution was worse than the disease.

1749
01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:17.960
And that's what they're being tempted with because you have

1750
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:21.600
a lot of theoreticians, you know, these academic types that

1751
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:25.880
sit there, you know, in their faculty lounges, drinking up

1752
01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:30.319
coffee and theorizing, but not having much empirical data, which

1753
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:32.760
is amazing because you think these are academics. I mean

1754
01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.359
most academics that I've been around. You know, they have

1755
01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:38.199
to do their research. They're very well disciplined. They just

1756
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:41.439
don't go off shooting at the hip. But it seems

1757
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:45.920
in today's environment it's okay to be reckless and just

1758
01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:49.159
throughout your theories out there like it's proven gospel.

1759
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:54.680
No, that's exactly right, and I think unfortunately, the reality

1760
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:58.079
that we're living in today is we're living in an

1761
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:01.680
emotional echo chamber. You know, I've said this before. You

1762
01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:04.079
don't have me on to talk politics. That's not my

1763
01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:08.880
primary Baileywig. But here's here's where I will, you know,

1764
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:11.720
draw the dotted line to what I do, which is

1765
01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:15.479
entertainment and technology. One of the things we talk about

1766
01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:18.800
is how the things that we consume on our screens

1767
01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:23.399
affect our worldview. And I think two things have happened

1768
01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:28.199
with social media and with media in general. I think

1769
01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:33.439
the idea and the dream of objective journalism has largely vanished.

1770
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:39.680
You know. Now we just have different advocacy positions and

1771
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:44.640
we live in, especially on social media, just this world

1772
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:49.880
of emotional argumentation. You know, everything is just emotions turned

1773
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:53.840
up to ten. And I get it. We feel things deeply,

1774
01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:58.119
we want to process it. But when you only ever

1775
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:03.279
do that and you operate like that, emotions are are

1776
01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:05.279
a good thing, right, They're a part of how God

1777
01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:08.960
designed us, but they're only a part. And you know,

1778
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:12.600
I talk to my kids constantly and say, how is

1779
01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:17.119
what you're watching influencing you emotionally? And when you take

1780
01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:21.199
a step back from your emotions, how do you see

1781
01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:24.319
it differently when you're trying to think through anything, you know,

1782
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:28.640
a position, an argument, a movie, a song from a

1783
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:32.600
rational point of view, Right, what do you see? How

1784
01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:37.399
is it different? Because I think sometimes we're so programmed

1785
01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:40.720
at this point to respond emotionally, and our kids especially

1786
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:44.000
are that that second step never even happens. And that's

1787
01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:46.960
how we get you know, these sorts of problems in

1788
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:49.880
our culture, which is, you know, we're all wrapped up

1789
01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:55.239
into this infatuation with socialism when it's pretty clear it's

1790
01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:56.000
not going to work.

1791
01:44:56.680 --> 01:44:58.439
Well, you said something that was key and that is

1792
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:02.439
rational and to your olds are not rational, right. Two

1793
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.840
year olds just want what they want. If not, they're

1794
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:07.920
going to hit you. And you know, and that's I mean,

1795
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.880
here we are. We're we're in a culture where the

1796
01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:14.199
two year olds have taken over and at some point

1797
01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:16.760
there has to be a breakthrough here to where we

1798
01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:19.439
can really break this down. Like you say, you know,

1799
01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:23.119
maybe we give too much credit to the media. You know,

1800
01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:27.159
even though they're protected by our constitution, they should be

1801
01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:31.119
much more responsible. Unfortunately, they got into the bubble and

1802
01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:35.880
their participants in this two year old program and instead

1803
01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:39.520
of breaking it down and saying, okay, what is what's

1804
01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:42.399
the reality of these young kids that can't afford to

1805
01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:45.880
buy a home? You know, most people in our generation

1806
01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:48.520
bought homes in their twenties. Kids now can't buy a

1807
01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:52.439
home until their forties. Average home now they're saying, you know,

1808
01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:56.600
in many markets a million dollars as a starter home.

1809
01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:00.279
I mean, that's just absurd. But you see what happen

1810
01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.760
is what the media is not doing and some of

1811
01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:07.199
these other people, because they're so caught into this system

1812
01:46:07.279 --> 01:46:09.880
that may be working for them. You know, we've got

1813
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.800
a big divide between the haves and have nots. Well,

1814
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.800
the haves have they they're kind of above the fray.

1815
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:19.600
They've figured out how they're not affected so much by

1816
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:23.840
government regulations and all these things that are trapping the

1817
01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:26.399
people on the lower end of the scale, and so

1818
01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:30.319
they're bogged down. It's unfair for them, and all they

1819
01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:32.239
feel is like, Okay, there's got to be an answer.

1820
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:34.880
And the socialists come in and go, hey, we're everybody's

1821
01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:38.039
gonna share Kumbaya and all this stuff. But you know,

1822
01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:41.279
of course the socialists don't tell you that. Yeah, it's true,

1823
01:46:41.319 --> 01:46:42.359
you're gonna share everything.

1824
01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:43.880
You're gonna share it with us.

1825
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:49.199
Yeah, but particularly you're gonna share misery. I mean, and

1826
01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.600
if you think not, just to you know, do a

1827
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:55.439
little bit of study of what happened in Argentina. I mean,

1828
01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:59.319
for what seventy eighty years shared misery. There was a mess,

1829
01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.479
and it took their current president to come in and say, hey,

1830
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:04.600
look at have you had enough of this stuff? Do

1831
01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:06.720
you want to try to do something different. Let's go

1832
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:09.000
back and see when we were doing well. When we

1833
01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:12.359
were doing well, we were you know, we were more democratized.

1834
01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:15.479
We were doing things you know, from a capitalistic, you

1835
01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.760
know point of view, and look what's happened there. I mean,

1836
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:21.439
now you've got people that are rejoicing in the streets.

1837
01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:26.399
Right, No, that's right. And I think whatever problems capitalism

1838
01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:29.279
may have, and I again, I try to have this

1839
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:35.359
conversation with my kids. Yes, there are there's corruption, Yeah,

1840
01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:38.079
there are people who don't play by the rules, but

1841
01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:44.119
you get a system that incentivizes entrepreneurship, It incentivizes hard work,

1842
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:50.479
it incentivizes people to put their shoulder to the plow,

1843
01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:55.199
and socialism doesn't do any of that. It incentivizes doing

1844
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:57.560
nothing and sitting there with your handout waiting for the

1845
01:47:57.600 --> 01:47:59.960
government to give you, you know, give you whatever they

1846
01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:01.840
want to give you, which ain't going to be very

1847
01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:03.000
much unfortunately.

1848
01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:06.720
Yeah. Yeah, And just for example, like one of the

1849
01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.680
big issues is healthcare. We'll just go north to Canada

1850
01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:12.319
ask them about their healthcare program. How long they have

1851
01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:13.840
to wait in line? Like you say, how long do

1852
01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.399
you have to hold your hand out for the government

1853
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:17.359
that said, hey, don't worry, we'll take care of you.

1854
01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:19.840
And then all of a sudden they realize, well, Adam,

1855
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:21.199
you're kind of being a little bit of a pain.

1856
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:23.560
Why don't we just help you? You know, your life

1857
01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:25.560
is lousy, You don't have a whole much a whole

1858
01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:27.720
lot to live for, So why don't we just help

1859
01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:30.920
you exit stage left here with this little bit of medicine.

1860
01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:34.960
Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, and obviously there are

1861
01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:37.000
places in Europe where that's happening as well.

1862
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:37.479
Exactly.

1863
01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:44.920
So again, I think as we are raising kids and grandkids,

1864
01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:50.359
I think part of the ongoing process of helping them

1865
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:54.399
become media literate is, okay, how do we think critically

1866
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:59.479
about this? How do we think beyond an emotional knee

1867
01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:05.239
jerk response. And you may get pushback on that. My

1868
01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:09.279
oldest is said, look, you don't understand. And the problem

1869
01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:11.640
is when we old folks try to say, actually, we

1870
01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:18.079
do understand, that argument is often rejected emotionally too. But

1871
01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:21.960
but anyway, you know, speaking of old folks and new

1872
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.159
folks and old things and new things, we do have

1873
01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:25.840
a movie out.

1874
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:26.279
The New.

1875
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:32.800
Girl is out this week and it stars Millie Adcock.

1876
01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:36.359
She is an Australian actress and she was in one

1877
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:38.039
of the Game of I think she was in Game

1878
01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:43.279
of Thrones it's a mixed bag. You know, there's some

1879
01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:47.960
redemptive stuff here, but she doesn't play a nice, squeaky

1880
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:50.520
clean version of Superhero, which is what we have seen

1881
01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:55.319
in the past. She plays a drunken, cynical, hard living

1882
01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:58.560
version who seeks out planets with a red son because

1883
01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:02.079
the red Sun enables her to be normal. It takes

1884
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:04.800
her powers away and she can get drunk and drown

1885
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:08.560
her drown her miseries, and the miseries that she's drowning

1886
01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:10.800
have to do with her planet being destroyed, so there

1887
01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.680
is something there that's a little bit sympathetic. And she

1888
01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:16.520
meets a teen girl who is seeking revenge for her

1889
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:18.840
family being killed, and they kind of team up, and

1890
01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:22.000
she's like, yeah, you know, maybe the revenge thing not

1891
01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:26.159
the best. Her dog gets poisoned. You know, super things happened,

1892
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:31.880
lots of combat, lots of profanity, a fairly cynical outlook

1893
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:35.920
that sort of lurches towards some redemptive things in the end.

1894
01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:40.000
But it's at sixty one percent on Rotten Tomatoes, So

1895
01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:41.159
you know.

1896
01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:44.159
It's Supergirl is less than super as what.

1897
01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:47.359
You do less than super from a plugged in standpoint

1898
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:51.520
and from the mainstream critical perspective as well, and.

1899
01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:54.680
Again plugged in reports on this as a warning to parents,

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so you know exactly where your hard earned money is

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going to and I'm not sure again, as we talked about,

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these are the influences that are impacting the minds of

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our children.

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That's right, that's right, And we're here to help you

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to be a resource, to encourage you and to you know,

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hopefully be a partner in this crazy world that we

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live in with regard to entertainment and technology.

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What about voicemails?

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That was another one, right, yeah, voicemails from Isabelle is

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a rom com on Netflix. A woman loses her sister,

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her beloved sister, and she processes her grief by sending

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voicemails to her sister's old phone number, which gets reassigned

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to a dude named Wes, and Wes falls in love

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with her, and you know, rom com things happen again

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a sort of a sweet premise, a fair bit of

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sexual content, some profanity, you know, PG. Thirteen Netflix movie.

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So beware that you're not in Hallmark territory on that one.

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Well, remind everybody, Adam as we wrap up where they

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can go for more information you.

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Can come to plugged in dot com.

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