June 24, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 24 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 24 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 06 24 26
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Are you ready. Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.

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Right now, Bill Martinez here with doctor George Barnett, the

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director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center

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and author of Raising Spiritual Champions. Hey, doctor George, Happy

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Father's Day, belatedly.

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Brother Bill, good to see again. I hope you had

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a good one.

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Yeah, it was a good one. It was nice and peaceful,

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just the way we like to have it. And you know,

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because we had to not look at what's happening in

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our country. You know, I had to just kind of

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take a breather because I've been increasingly concerned. And the

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evidence that you've got to share with us tells me

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that my concern is not without justification.

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It's well founded. I mean, the new survey, we're looking

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at people's beliefs about humanity, you know, the natural, and

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then we also compare that to their beliefs about the supernatural,

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looking at God and different spirits and so forth, and

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it's not a pretty picture. I mean, the belief in

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the God of the Bible continues to drop. We're about

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half the country being there. Now when we look at

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what we think about humanity, we don't have the same

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picture of humanity that God does, that's for sure. Yeah.

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So we went through seven questions in each of those areas,

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the natural and supernatural, found that, by and large, in

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only one case for the natural and in one case

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out of the seven for the supernatural, do people have

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a Biblical perspective on those issues. So it's getting worse.

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And when we looked at it generationally, continuing the pattern

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we've been seen for years. Now, the younger you get,

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the less likely they are to have a Biblical perspective

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on almost no matter what topic you're talking about. So

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that's disturbing. But we're even finding that the group that

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pastors called the backbone of the local church, theologically identified

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born again Christians, even that group is loosening their grip

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on biblical perspectives and they're more likely now to be

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taking on worldly perspectives, you know. I mean, we're at

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a place where where three out of four of the

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theologically identified born against say that people are basically good,

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which of course is a complete misunderstanding of scripture, which no, no, no, no, no,

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your sinners, that's why Jesus had to die because you're

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not good. If you were good, you could save yourself.

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You're not so good. Get over it.

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Yeah, and Jesus wouldn't have had to go through all

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that he went through.

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Right o.

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Man.

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Yeah, painful stuff, illegal stuff, murderous stuff. I mean, no

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matter how you want to put it, it was not

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good except in the outcome for us if we understand

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it and embrace it and work with it. But Americans

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are forgive me for saying this, but I mean, we're

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so full of ourselves that we think we're the solution

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to everything, when in point of fact, no matter how

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far back you go in history, what you find is

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those people who realize, no, we can't make it work

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on our own, and we're not meant to the whole

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idea of God creating us. And this is one of

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the things we look at in the survey universal purpose.

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Why did God make us? He made us a whole

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love and servant with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul.

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But we're not buying that. We're thinking he made us

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so that we can take over, we can make all

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the big decisions. We can fix everything that we've broken,

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and everything's going to be all right. And unfortunately it's

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just not like that. Do you realize, Bill, that only

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one out of three adults in America believe that the

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universal purpose for humanity is to love God with all

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our heart, mind, strength, and soul. One out of three Americans.

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And you know, for a while in human history, America

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was the shining light spiritually, but I think that light

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has been getting dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. At least

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the research shows that.

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Yeah, we need another George Whitfield. Perhaps, George, you know.

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I'd take it, I'd love it. Yeah. I don't know

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if he'd still want to go on horseback given the

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condition of the country, but man, we could use that heart,

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that mind, and that soul that he brought to the process.

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Well. And sometimes, you know, and I understand that this

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is disconcerting and it's worrying, but God is still in control,

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He's still on the throne. And the thing is, humanity

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has passed this road before and has been at this intersection,

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and of course we know what happens. I mean, because

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God has always said, look at I'll give you a choice.

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You know, if you will turn from your wicked ways

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all right and turn to me, you know I will hear.

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I'll begin to hear. Right now, many peop people, or

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let's just say a remnant of those with faith, are

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wondering if God is hearing anymore, because he's just had

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it with this arrogance. Like you said, because this is

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all this all points back to the original sin, right, George.

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Absolutely, And I think you bring up a couple of

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really key points, one of which he used the word remnants,

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one of my favorite words coming out of Scripture. Because

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you know, a lot of people will come up to

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me and say, oh my gosh, George, you've been doing

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this for so long, how can you not be depressed.

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It's like, well, well, don't make assumptions. Okay, it does

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get depressing. But then when I go back in his

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word and I see that every time that he transformed

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the culture, what he did was he gathered up those

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people who were totally sold out to him. They want

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nothing but what God wanted, and they're willing to do

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anything to get it. And he took that group, the remnant,

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and then he sliced it into just a fraction of

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the total and then with that small, small group, he

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changed the culture. And the important lesson To me a sociologist,

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research guy, I'm always looking at the numbers and say, oh, no,

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we've got a minority. God only used minorities of the

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people to change any culture. So it doesn't that the

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raw numbers don't matter. What I'm more interested, frankly, are

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the trends. Are we moving toward Him or away from him?

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Because as a follower of Christ, that gives me a

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better understanding of what we need to do, how urgent

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it is, how much of our resource base we need

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to pour into that as quickly as possible. So that's

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one key thing. You know. The other word that you

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mentioned that I think is so critical, Bill is repentance,

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because as I've been doing research over the last two

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or three years on discipleship, worldview, those types of things,

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one thing I've discovered is that Americans when they hear

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about the Gospel, they hear about how they can get saved,

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but they don't here or they don't attend to that

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part that talks about repentance. And when you ask them, well,

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what do you think repentance is? That feeling? Sorry, no,

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I mean, that's part of it. That's a good start,

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but you're basically at the starting line there. Repentance means

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to turn around. And so in the context of our behavior,

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what it means is whatever has caused us to sin,

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whatever has caused us, in other words, to break God's heart,

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to break his rules which he gave us for our

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own good. Well, repentance means I'm not going to do

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that anymore. I'm going to go back and do what

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God called me to do. I'm going to do the opposite,

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go the opposite direction, to turn around of what I

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had been doing, because my desire is to honor God,

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to please God, to satisfy God. And when I do that,

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that will bring fulfillment to my life.

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You have to know God. When you know God, then

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you begin to reckonci God's character in his personality with

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your behavior. And the contrast is so glaring, George, that

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you know you're like Moses at the burning bush or

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Isaiah who is revealed who God is and he says,

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I'm toast.

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And the toast is getting darker every day in America.

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You know, I hope we lighten up on that, you know,

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burn lever, But I mean, even simple things. This is

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what really concerns me so much. For probably forty years now,

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I've been asking people about Jesus Christ, and one of

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the things that we've consistently discovered is that we understand

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so little of the biblical narrative that two out of

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three Americans believe that when Jesus was on earth he sinned,

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you know. And when you talk about knowing God, Jesus

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Now?

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I don't think you know the real God, because Jesus,

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by his very nature was incapable of sin, you know,

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Box to George barn Is when the Season, director of

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Research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center and author

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of Racing Spiritual Champions.

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Here we are.

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I'm about ready to turn two hundred and fifty years

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of age, and only half of adults hold a biblical

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view of God. And it's amazing the journey of two

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hundred and fifty years because when it all began, you know,

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I mentioned Whitfield and you know great movie, you know,

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and Awakening with about Whitfield and Benjamin Franklin and what happened.

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I mean here Whitfield comes to the colonies and this

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is the colonies, what's seven seven times the different colonies,

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and he's taking the message you know, throughout that people

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needed to repent. And I believe that was all part

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of you know, God's hand in America to kind of

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you know, churn up the ground and get ready to

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receive the key message, the key message of freedom. And

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like anything when you are countering the culture, especially with

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something as big as freedom, George, there, that's going to

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come with a cost. It's not going to be just hey,

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let's just throw a party and put on a funny

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hat and get some whistles and blow and celebrate here.

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I mean, the colonists had to be prepared to love

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God so much that they would be willing to put

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it all on the line for the sake of freedom,

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which I believe ultimately what God wants for all his creation.

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And it's there's an interesting analogy there too, I think,

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in that when you look at what we are in asking,

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which is spiritual beings who were made to no love

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and serve God, well, then really the most important freedom,

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our freedom in America is incredible. I mean, there's never

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been anything like it, and thank the Lord for it,

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but it pales in comparison to the spiritual freedom that

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we get by Jesus pain. That same kind of cost

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that you're talking about that the colonists had to pay

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in the Revolutionary War, and before and after that, a

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lot of you know, hurt, a lot of pain, a

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lot of suffering, a lot of sacrifice. What do you

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think Jesus did on that cross for us. What do

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you think he did by having to come down to

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Earth for goodness sakes for thirty three years and endure

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us imbeciles, you know, running around not understanding what he's

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talking about, not getting what we're watching. When we see

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him do miracles and heal people and love people and

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you know, exhort people, all the things that he did

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to show us the way. Well, yeah, you're absolutely right.

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There is a cost to freedom. And one of the

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things that I think contemporary Americans, at least the research

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shows gloss over is the fact that somebody paid the

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biggest price for us. All we have to do is

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keep making tiny payments on that to maintain that freedom.

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And we're not even willing to do that. We are

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we feel so entitled that that's my birthright. I should

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have that freedom. I shouldn't have to do anything to

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maintain it. It's like, well, maybe everything comes at a cost,

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and so you better count the cost and get out

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your pocketbook and pay the piper, because that's.

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What we have to do.

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And as Christians, we have the added responsibility but the

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added privilege of bringing other people into that understanding. We

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are that light in the darkness of our culture. But man,

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we got to shine more brightly than we've been. I

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don't mean to put a guilt trip on anybody, but

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time is of the essence. We're here for such a

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time as this. I don't know how much more time

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we've got left. I don't want to stand before God

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when I'm waiting to hear him say well done, good

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and faithful servant, and he says you lazy, so and so.

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You know, I go, what were you doing? What were

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you thinking? You couldn't you see? You know, I've got research,

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Other people have other indicators that all point in the

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same direction that America is moving farther from God rather

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than more urgently, tightly and deeply toward Him. That's exactly

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what we need to be doing as we come to

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July fourth Independence Day. No praise God that we're in

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America and we get to enjoy the freedoms that we have.

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But man, let's never forget that those freedoms pale in

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comparison to the eternal freedom that Jesus Christ gave to

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us through that cross.

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And the response George starts with us yep, each individual,

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because for the sake of you know, our families, you know,

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our marriages. We may be the one and if we're

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the one carrying the cross for the family, then so

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be it. That's what has to be done. Otherwise we're

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going to end up at that, you know, like the

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end of if you remember the end of Schindler's List,

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when Schindler is there and he's realizing how many people

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he saved and how many more he could have saved

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even if he had given up a gold watch. You know,

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today in America, are we willing to give up a

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gold watch for the sake of our kids?

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A couple of things come to mind again going into

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the research, different study. I'm working on a book now

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on disciple making, and one of the things that you know,

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people have to understand is you can only reproduce who

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you are, So who's going to make disciples? Existing disciples?

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But then when I study the existing disciples, what I

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see is that a large share of them are doing

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nothing to disciple other people. And then everybody stands around

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and wonders, well, why isn't the church growing, Why isn't

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the church healthy? Well, the people who have the privilege

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of being a follower of Jesus and loving that and

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knowing that it's significant. They get that, But what many

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of them aren't getting is, but how do you think

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other people are going to get there? You know, you've

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got to invest the time in them. It's a relationship.

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And in the same way, when I look at this

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current research report, one of the things that we discovered

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about the relationship with God is that most Americans admit

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they don't actually have a living, a real, interactive, central

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relationship with God, even though it's always going to be

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a work in progress. We're never going to be there,

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you know, until we reach heaven. But short of that time,

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I mean, we've really got to invest ourselves in that

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relationship and not put all the burden on God and say, well,

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you know, you're the powerful one, you're the omnipresent one,

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you make it happen. No, that's not how a relationship works.

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It's a two part deal. You do your part, I'll

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do my part, and together we're going to grow, We're

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gonna love, we're gonna learn, we're gonna live. That's how

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that works. And my fear is that the American church

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has gotten so lazy church capitalcy that we're not investing enough.

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We've been seduced by the world. We've been taken over

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by the culture, we're being influenced by the media, and

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all of that is dragging us away from God himself.

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And we're not kicking and then screaming and you know,

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fighting that with all we've got. We've got to get

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back to God. He is our only hope.

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Well, exactly right, George, because this is we are failing

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to know God, and that breaks off the relationship. This

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is our source. I mean, we're not connected to the vine.

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And look at the fruit that's being demonstrated here, and

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it's not look at this is for self evaluation. I mean,

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if you're in prayer with God, if you're in his word,

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if you are continuing to build that relationship, if you

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can say that you're close to God this year than

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you were last year, I think that's a good thing.

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That's good.

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I mean you look for a movement, it's going to

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be incremental movement. You're not going to go from one

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to ten in a week.

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You know.

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If you go from one to one point two in

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a week, wow, that's good. All right, you're moving in

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the right direction, you know. But one of the things

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I see Bill in this research is that most Americans

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do not believe that Satan is real, and most of

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them do not believe that the Holy Spirit is real.

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And this is the helper that God has sent to

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us to make those incremental gains. And so because we

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don't have that relationship with Him, we don't understand these

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spiritual dynamics. We're not open to the Holy Spirit coming

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and inhabiting us literally. And you know, some people talking

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about my conscience, you know it's on my conscience. Well,

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that's the Holy Spirit, man. I mean, you know, put

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these things together and begin to understand. When you allow

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the Holy Spirit to habit you and to lead you,

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and you learn the voice and so you start listening

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more carefully, that's incremental steps. So you know, each of

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us needs to be constantly re evaluating our spiritual lives

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trying to figure out what can we do to get

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deeper in that relationship with God. And so if you

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sent me a helper, let me work with the helper.

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The helpers where we're supposed to go.

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Right, Well, yeah, because here we are, George, I mean,

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we're body, mind and spirit, we're spiritual beings. We ignore

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that part to our own demise. Jesus said, I have

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to leave that the Holy Spirit would come to lead you,

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to continue to guide you in truth and wisdom. And

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the thing is is that I think most Christians, most

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Bible believing Christians that still believe in God, understand that

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the battle that we're in right now is a spiritual battle.

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So how do you fight a spiritual battle without spiritual weaponry?

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Can't do it. Can't do it, you know. And part

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of it too, Bill, you know, I mean one of

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the things that blows me away. In the study, we

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found that only one out of four Americans believe that

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human life is sacred. So we're in this weird place

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where we're arrogant, we're selfish, we're full of ourselves, and

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yet we don't believe that our lives are given to

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us by God and sacred because it's his gift, it's

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his special creation. We're made in his image for his purposes.

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So we're so confused, you know. And you and I

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have talked about our worldview research in the past and

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the fact that we're syncretists. That's the reigning worldview in America,

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which is where you just pull a little bit from Marxism,

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a little bit secular humanism, give me some of that postmodernism.

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Who this Eastern mystical stuff looks good. I'll take a

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little bit of Bible, you know, and you put it

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all together, you mash it up, and you've got your

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own custom worldview. But the problem that is that it

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leaves us terribly confused about what's right, what's wrong, what's real,

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what's false, what's deceptive, what's accurate? And so you know,

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we've got to go back to the one place that's

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always true, always real, always relevant, always reliable, God's word.

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So get back in his word. Let him show you

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the way, Let the Holy Spirit guide you down that path.

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Learn to listen to the voice so that you're making

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better decisions every day. You're not going to hit a thousand,

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you know, right out of the first game. You know,

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you're probably going to strike out four times. But that's okay.

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Maybe you hit a few foul balls next day. Maybe

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you're going to hit a ground your day after that,

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maybe a single who knows, you know, but you got

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to grow.

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Yeah, exactly, Well, George, as we wrap things up, where

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can people go, you know? Play? I mean, this is

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some great research I mean this is really in so

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many ways mind blowing, but it's also a call.

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It is, and I mean, you know, they can get

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it in a couple of places. They can go to

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Cultural Research Center dot com or they can go to

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Georgebarna dot com. We've got all the reports in both places.

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You can download them for free. But the important thing

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Hey, good morning, welcome back Bill Martinez here along with

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Jenny Beth Martin from the Tea Party Patriots Action. Jenny Beth,

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good morning to you.

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Good morning Bell. It's great to be with you.

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Hey, it's always going to be talking to you. As

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we come closer and closer to the official two hundred

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and fiftieth celebration, What an exciting time in sight of

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what some people would want to do in terms of

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destroying the beauty of the Capitol. I just can't believe

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what they're doing with the reflecting Pond.

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I can't believe it either. It shouldn't really surprise us.

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Bill.

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We've seen so much graffiti in major urban cities around

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this country.

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We've seen the destruction that happened.

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And just graffiti and destroying monuments during the Biden administration.

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Whether they're taking them down or they're just allowing graffiti

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to be up. There is a sense among some Americans

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that it's okay to destroy property to make a political point.

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It's not okay. The reflecting pool belongs to all of us.

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Our tax dollars paid for it.

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So when some people decide.

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Oh, we're just going to destroy this to prove a point,

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where they're actually doing is insulting all of us, wasting

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all of our tax dollars, and they need to be

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held accountable.

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It's completely completely.

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Wrong to do that you to any any of our

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property because that property is paid for by the hard

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work that Americans do every day to pay taxes.

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Well, how dare these Marxists? I mean, okay, you don't

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like America, you know it's it's a free country. You

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have every you know, you have that right, it's not

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in our constitution. But you don't have the right to

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destroy property and to basically steal from the taxpayer because

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we've invested. Those are our hard working funds that we've

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invested to beautify a city that's been ignored for a

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long time, where crime was running rapid. Now, everybody that

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I hear that goes to Washington, d C. I just

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can't believe the night and day, you know, demonstration of

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our capital city.

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Yeah, it's just it is so wrong. President Trump has

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done everything he can to return return law and order

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to the.

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District of Columbia.

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He's worked to get the criminals off the streets, to

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enforce the law, and to make sure that people understand

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that in Washington, DC, you can't just go around committing

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crimes and not be held accountable for it. So watching

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this kind of destruction is very bothersome. And Bill, you

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know what bothers me the most. I've told people, uber drivers,

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other people who probably aren't very very political normally, Oh

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I'm going.

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To Washington, d C. Or I work in Washington, d C.

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And they want to see the city cleaner and neater,

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and they want to see photos of the reflecting pool,

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and they've you know, it's just it's a bizarre thing

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to see people who want to actually go and cause destruction.

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It's not it's not what we are made of. And

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you're right, we're headed into our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

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We have a lot to celebrate. And the people who are.

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So angry at our country that they want to just

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destroy property they ought to just take a step back

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and look at all that America has accomplished, all that

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we've overcome, how we're the greatest country God has ever

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given the feast of this planet. And we have an

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obligation to protect that liberty and hand it on to

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the next generation, in the next and the next, so

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that soon, well not soon in our lifetime, but not

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in the not too distant future, as far as the

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time of the world goes, another set of Americans will

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be able to celebrate the five hundredth anniversary of America.

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Jenny Beth. We can't allow people who are angry and

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deranged to control this party, this celebration, and they're going

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to do everything because you know they're they're hateful people

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in a way, and I use that, you know conditionally

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they're hateful. You know, within themselves, they have been breeding,

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they have been meditating on hate, and this is an

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expression of their souls. Sadly, and I feel for them

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because they're going to miss out on a grand party

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because whether or not they're participating or whether they want

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to try and destroy property as they've been doing for

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the last several decades. You know, the silent majority has

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got to quit being silent, and you have to decide

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what side are you on. Are you an American? Are

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you anti American? This is the way the you know,

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the cast is being you know, put out there, Jenny bath.

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Well, Bill, you said a lot of things.

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Just the first, Yes, you have to decide are you

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an American or not. We can disagree on politics, we

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can disagree on policy. At the end of the day,

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we live in this country. We need to be able

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to celebrate our country. We need to be able to

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be proud of our country. Even if you think our

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country is flawed. All humans are flawed, and the country

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is made up of humans, so there is going to

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be There are going to be flaws.

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You work to improve.

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Them, and you celebrate the fact that we live in

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a place where we can agree to disagree peacefully and.

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Hold on to that liberty.

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And then the other thing you said, talking about people

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who are hateful they are heat filled.

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You're exactly right, they're full of hatred.

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And I was just thinking as you were saying that,

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how Christ has taught us to ask for forgiveness of

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our sins. As we forgive those who sin against us,

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That means we are praying for those who do wrong

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to us and finding a way in our own heart

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to forgive them. And that is very, very important to

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do because it frees us from that hatred and the

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grip that hatred and anger and bitterness have on our lives,

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and it allows us to be to be free in

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the Holy spirits so that we can do things in

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want us to. And the people who are so filled

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with heat that they key't even c street that they

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are angry at President Trump all the time, and anyone

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who supports them they think is the worst person in

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the world. I think that we can all we need

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to pray for them, pray that they can have a

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softening of their hearts, because it's not good for them,

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it's not good for our country, and it's not good

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for those who they encounter, and they spread that heat to.

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And by the same token, Jenny Beth, those who pronounce

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their Americanism and their citizenship should have confidence in our

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Constitution that was a light to lead us to a

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more perfect union. There is resolution designed in the Constitution

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so that when you have a grievance as opposed to

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how many nations around the world that we're reading about

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and seeing that, look at, you don't go along with

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the government, they're gonna mow you down. They're going to

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kill forty fifty thousand people in the street. And so

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how do you like them apples? You know so much

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for any kind of resolution of grievance, and here in

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the United States, because look at, we cherish free speech.

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We want to hear your grievance so that we can

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come together and do something about it together. But doing

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it in a manner that's destructed and hateful is not positive.

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It does not take us to that endpoint that we're

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all looking for, and that is a more perfect union

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under God.

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Yeah, you were exactly right.

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Our constitution gives us the ability to change our government.

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Really every single.

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and don't like the way the government is working.

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We can overthrow the.

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President every four years peacefully at the ballot box, and

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the same happens in the Senate every six years. We

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have ways to correct our problems, and we have to

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exercise those options. And when you do that and you

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realize you're not powerless. You don't have to go and

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just destroy property. We started out as the Tea Party movement,

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protesting in the streets because we didn't know what else

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We found ways to be active and engaged in work

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to improve the country. And that's where the people who

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don't like President Trump should be doing.

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If you don't like.

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His policies, focus on his policies.

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Don't focus on the man. Focus on the policies and

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work to improve them.

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And I'm not saying you shouldn't like his policies. I'm

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just acknowledging there are people who don't, and that would

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be a better thing for those who don't to do.

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Do you have a better idea? I mean, we want

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to hear better ideas to where we can come together.

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And I'm not one necessarily throw the baby out with

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the bath water. Look at I'm seeing and I hear

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the frustration of the people on the left, But let's

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do it in a way that's civil that you know

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kind of you know. Of course, I came from the

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generation that you know was protesting the Vietnam War, and

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there was all kinds of riots and we had, you know,

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college students being killed at Kent State, you know, all

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that period of time. That was rough four assassinations that

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took place during that period of time. But we grew

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out of that and realized if we were going to

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be the change that we wanted, we needed to do

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the heavy lifting, not just complain and go and cause destruction,

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go and be constructive. And that's what I'm hearing you say,

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Jenny Beth. I'm going to let you wrap things up.

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We got twenty seconds left.

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Go ahead, You're exactly right, go and be constructive. And Bill,

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we're headed into a two three week period where we

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Make it an extraordinary, a very special Fourth of July

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So I encourage everyone to just take a step back

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Good morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez here. Good to have

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you with us. We got Jeremy back from numbers US. Say, Jeremy,

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how we doing doing great?

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Bill?

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Having related Father's Day?

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Yeah, exactly, same back at you, plus tax and license.

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You know, because we are we are a government of

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for by we the people, and it seems like that's

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always part of the deal. Hey, I want to talk about,

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you know, the good news. It's good news bad news.

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The border surge has stopped that you write about, but

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the fallout not so much.

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Right, Yeah, that's right. It's important to keep in mind

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to think.

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Lots of people today they say how's the border. People

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think the border's under control. Certainly compared to the Biden administration.

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The difference between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five

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in terms of the number of people who are released,

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the number of people who escaped capture at the border,

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those numbers have just plummeted across the board. But when

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I say that the border crisis is still with us,

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that millions of people who should not have been admitted

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were admitted, most of them are still here, despite the

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fact that a lot of people have decided to leave

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on their own make up their own mind, and another

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significant number of people have been arrested, detained, and deported.

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But we've got hundreds of thousands, millions of people here

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who are still here, and we're learning about the repercussions

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of that. The impact on communities are still there, the

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overcrowded schools, the overcrowded streets, the hospitals, et cetera. But

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we're also seeing some court cases run through the system

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now of some real heinous abuses the Department of Justice.

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There's one case where there's a woman who sponsored forty children.

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This is when HHS was completely overwhelmed with unaccompanied alien

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children and she sponsored forty of them. How does this

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sponsor It's like the old woman in the shoe, right.

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Right, exactly.

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Well, it turns out that the old woman in the

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shoe was running a sweatshop. Basically was you know, she

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was trafficking these kids in for labor, for child labor.

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There's another case where a gentleman convinced a family to

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allow him to take their young teenage daughter to America

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to pose as his sister, and after he got released

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with his quote unquote sister, he proceeded to abuse her.

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He impregnated her, and the fallout from that has been

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truly horrific. We're seeing these cases run through the system.

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These are anecdotal, of course, but they are parts of

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the hundreds of thousands of individual children who were released

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into the country who we're still looking for some of them.

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We found many of them in child labor conditions. And

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then even more horrific cases in the case of this

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fourteen year old girl, so that's what I mean when

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I say that the border crisis is still very much

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with us. By the way, the loopholes that force government,

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the US government to release these unaccompanied daily and children,

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they're still there. They're still there, so a lot of

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So if you're a young child and you come from

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Canada or Mexico, US government can do the right thing

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and say we're going to send you home.

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We're going to send you back your family in your country.

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But if you're from a non contiguous country, so not

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Canada or Mexico, the government has to process you through

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Health and Human Services and then put you through this pipeline,

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and that's where you get into this sponsor system. The

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Trump administration, even though I say that the border is

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in much better shape, but their release to the Trump

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administration is releasing unaccompanied alien children to sponsors. They're holding

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them longer, they're vetting the sponsors longer. The One Big

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Beautiful Bill provided enhanced funding for that. So we're hopeful

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that some of these worst case abuses are still there.

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But the primary loopholes that require the release of unaccompanied

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alien children into the country, they are still there, which

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is why it is so important that Speaker Johnson promised

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before they left town that they were going to vote

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on some true border reforms to close loopholes precisely like

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this one, so that another administration or even this administration

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will not find itself in a similar situation a few

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years down the line.

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Well exactly, Well that's how we got here, because everything

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just got ignored and for some reason, I mean, we're

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not even looking at it holistically to realize that our

907
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government is not big enough to handle something this massive.

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And you know, you can write it up for whatever

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you want, you can say incompetence, just out and out evil,

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you know, to alter the lives of these young children.

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I mean, at one point, Jeremy, we had four hundred

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thousand kids. We didn't know where they were at. They

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were just missing, That's right.

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It's just completely overwhelmed.

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Half a million unaccompanied alien children, that's the governmental term UACs,

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unaccompanied minors, if you will, half a million, and of

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course the government just couldn't, you know, you couldn't keep

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track of all of them. And a lot of that

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is because you released them to a sponsor, a quote

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unquote sponsor who doesn't want to be found later on,

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because they don't have the best of intentions, or they're

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in the country illegally themselves, so the government loses track

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of them. It's an overwhelmed system and a system that

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is again riddled with loopholes. And you're right, the scale

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is what's important here. We know where, We know now

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that the Biden administration basically just they either didn't see

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it coming or they just didn't care. Commissioner Scott of

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the Customs and Border Protection had a conversation a week

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or so ago with Marca Koran of the Center for

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Immigration Studies, and he told a pretty chilling anecdote about

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the early Biden months.

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He served in the Biden administration.

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He served in the Clinton administration, the Obama administration.

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At Trump.

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And he resigned from during the Biden administration because he

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saw what was happening.

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He couldn't work there anymore. He said that he and.

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Many many others said, listen, the policies you're putting in

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place here, it's not just about the fifteen people standing

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on the other side of the border today. It's about,

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you know, the fifteen million people who are going to

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be rushing the border tomorrow. And he said that the

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administration officials that he told this to kind of just shrugged.

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You know.

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Their attitude was, so what and what else do you

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got for us? That's just a very different.

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World view than the understanding, which is the fundamental understanding

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that we have at Numbers USA, which is that if

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you want to have a compassionate approach towards the people

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around the world, you have to help them where they are,

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because that's where the that's where the majority of them are.

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They're not You can't invite the entire world into your country.

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And if you want to have an immigration system that works,

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you have to set limits, you have to enforce those limits,

955
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.159
and you have to be very careful when you identify

956
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:35.280
loopholes to close the loopholes. There's only so much that

957
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.440
a president can do. It's up to the legislative branch

958
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.119
to ultimately do this, and it's frankly scary how long

959
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.559
it is taking them to get around to doing it.

960
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.840
If there was one issue that propelled the majority, the

961
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.599
Republican majority in the House and the Senate in twenty

962
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.960
twenty four, it was this issue. It was the border crisis,

963
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.840
it was immigration. And they've done some things. The one

964
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.400
big beautiful bill provided a lot of funding and improved

965
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.679
the vetting. I just mentioned that, and they passed the

966
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.239
Lake and Riley Act, which is a helpful bill. But

967
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:07.280
the fundamental problems that undergirded the border crisis they have

968
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:11.719
not addressed, and that to this point is a colossal failure.

969
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.320
But there's still time for them to get it right.

970
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.559
Well, we're fooling ourselves and thinking that this was somewhat

971
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.480
an accident. The reason the people in the Biden administration

972
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.599
shrugged and said so what was because that wasn't their agenda.

973
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.559
Being compassionate was not part of their agenda. They had

974
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:33.199
an agenda that was politically driven and also was feeding

975
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:38.840
the NGOs a lot of money. I mean, this became

976
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.800
a cottage industry. So it's no wonder that we got

977
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.599
what we paid for. Whether you realized it or not,

978
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.519
and whether you realized it was your money or not,

979
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.840
the bottom line was it was your money and you

980
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.519
got what. You know, what they spent on our behalf,

981
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:58.559
and it wasn't by accident.

982
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.159
The greation industrial complex, yes right, and yes, this taxpayer

983
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.719
dollars we're flowing to non governmental agencies that were helping

984
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.760
people across the border that we're helping them get relocated

985
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.599
in places in the United States, people who were inadmissible

986
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.800
to the United States. Granted, this isn't just working through

987
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.119
our Green card system, which is also overwhelmed, but at

988
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.079
least that's the system that we have. This is outside

989
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.360
of that legal system that Congress set up. And yeah,

990
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.239
we had a whole complex, everything from religious charities to

991
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.880
NGOs to everything that gets essentially paid by the head

992
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.639
of bringing people in and helping them, helping them get

993
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:39.639
into the country.

994
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.920
Which again forget and don't forget it included congressmen and

995
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.559
women because they've benefited from this too. Jeremy. I mean

996
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.840
we keep, you know, we keep shouting this from the

997
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.800
rooftops that you've got to follow the money and see

998
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.440
what The reason that this keeps on going and there's

999
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.559
such a resistance is because people do that which they

1000
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:02.239
get rewarded for. And right now, as you say, this complex,

1001
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:06.199
this industrial complex, immigration industrial complex that has been well

1002
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:10.159
established and well oiled over the years, is yielding the

1003
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.800
results for politicians that gets them re elected.

1004
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.920
Well, I mean you've had some politicians say listen, we

1005
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.880
want this mass immigration because I need it for redistricting.

1006
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:20.360
Purposes.

1007
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.559
I need it to keep the number of people in

1008
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.840
my district, or we want our state to have more

1009
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:28.880
congressional districts because the Census Bureau doesn't count legally illegal

1010
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.400
that kind of things, just the number of people in

1011
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.760
your state. So this affects our democracy.

1012
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.599
People. You want to talk about.

1013
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.039
How firm our democracy is right now, this absolutely undermines

1014
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:43.159
our democracy. Changes the complexion of the House of Representatives

1015
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.960
and the district allotments that go to the different states.

1016
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:47.960
So yeah, well it's all part of it.

1017
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.320
And God forbid, the Democrats would come up and say,

1018
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:55.159
even some Republicans would come up with policies that would

1019
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.000
be beneficial for everybody, and that they would get re

1020
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.079
elected based on good policy and good politics.

1021
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:03.159
Yeah.

1022
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.320
I mean, it's one thing to get elected because you

1023
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.519
don't like what the other guy did, right, But it's

1024
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.920
another thing to get elected because you're you're you're doing

1025
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:11.360
something better than the other guy did.

1026
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.400
You're you're missing it. And there's no doubt that.

1027
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.559
Again, the border situation is better, although border apprehensions recently

1028
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:22.199
they are rising again, and inevitably they will rise. You

1029
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:27.119
cannot simply stave this off forever. From an administrative point

1030
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.760
of view, and so we're seeing subtle signs that you

1031
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.760
know this, this will not hold already and we're only

1032
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.360
we're only here in June of twenty twenty six. The

1033
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.119
border crisis is still with us. And I would hate,

1034
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:42.920
sure hate to turn around in a couple of years

1035
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.239
and say, oh, wow, we have another surge coming at

1036
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.039
the border right now.

1037
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.159
What did that Congress do? What? What did they think

1038
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:50.159
they were there to do?

1039
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.119
It really is time for them to, you know, put

1040
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.119
on their their big people pants and right to work.

1041
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:59.599
Well, you spell it out quite clearly in your latest newsletter,

1042
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.079
and I want to direct our audience to that. So

1043
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.960
how can they get their hands on your newsletter, Jeremy Beck.

1044
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.960
Go to NumbersUSA dot org, scroll right down to the

1045
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:10.920
bottom of the Page's a place that you can put

1046
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:12.559
your email in and you'll get the newsletter.

1047
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:13.840
So it comes out every week.

1048
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.760
Yeah, Because I mean the main title at the very

1049
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.760
top is the border Surgeons Stop the fallout, isn't It

1050
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:26.079
goes into the Biden administration ignoring warnings And it's much

1051
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:29.360
more diabolical, I think, And I know it sounds cynical,

1052
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.639
but when you read the facts, you realize, as I

1053
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.920
was saying earlier, it wasn't by accident, it was by design.

1054
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.920
There's no doubt about it. Again, remind them where they

1055
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.599
can go, Jeremy, as we wrap things up.

1056
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.000
Yeah, please come and visit us at NumbersUSA dot org

1057
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.960
or you can follow us on x Twitter at Numbers USA.

1058
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.320
He's the co president's of Numbers USA. Jeremy Beck. Thank you, Jeremy,

1059
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:53.719
take care.

1060
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:54.639
Thanks to you too.

1061
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:54.880
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1082
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Well, Good morning America. Good to have you with us.

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Cooper the former constitutional law professor, recognized legal commentator and author.

1086
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:20.599
Horace Good morning to you.

1087
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:21.039
How are you.

1088
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.639
It is great to be on the program. I feel

1089
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:24.280
blessed today.

1090
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:26.920
Well, I'll tell you it's always a blessing to have

1091
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.119
you around, Sir. I appreciate you and lots to talk about.

1092
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:33.400
With the latest Scotis decisions, I want to talk about

1093
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:37.760
an old Scotus decision which happened and it was I

1094
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.639
got to tell you, it's almost like I'm waiting for

1095
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.000
the news to catch up with everyone. It's almost reminding

1096
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.679
me of the emancinmation Emancipation Proclamation. You know, when Abraham

1097
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.760
Lincoln set out the eadicch and freed the slaves. It

1098
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.000
took a while for it to go across the country.

1099
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:57.199
And I feel this way somewhat, and I don't know

1100
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.559
if you'd agree or not, orce but that is when

1101
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:05.480
the Court decided that institutional racism was done with, that

1102
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.719
it had run its course. And to me, I just

1103
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:10.960
felt like America should have just come out in the

1104
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.880
streets yelling and screaming, jumping up and down and going,

1105
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.280
you know, good God, Almighty free at last.

1106
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:21.559
You know, it is remarkable to me, And I guess

1107
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:27.320
in a way this is like Abraham Lincoln, the President

1108
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.400
of the United States Proclamation on the Ending of Slavery.

1109
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:39.440
The Supreme Court, after almost one hundred and twenty five years,

1110
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.960
looked at the actual language of the Fourteenth Amendment and.

1111
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:52.760
Said what everybody thought it meant when they actually adopted

1112
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.000
it and then ratified it is, in fact.

1113
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:03.000
What it means. The federal government may not use race

1114
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:08.760
as a proxy for deciding who gets an advantage or

1115
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:15.320
who is disadvantage, whether that's gerrymandering, whether that's so called

1116
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:22.239
race based affirmative action, even government programs that like the

1117
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:29.159
Biden administration created that just singled out certain races for eligibility.

1118
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:35.639
The Supreme Court has flatly made it clear. And to me,

1119
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:41.760
it's such a treasure to see that a black member

1120
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:46.760
of the Supreme Court is standing firm in recognizing what

1121
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:48.000
our founders intended.

1122
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.440
It To me, it's it's so liberating. But like I said,

1123
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.960
I'm frustrated inasmuch as that I want the rest of

1124
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.760
the country to get caught up and really understand what

1125
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:03.800
that represents, because you know, for most of my life, Horse,

1126
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.360
I've been told that I'm prejudiced. Now I go, I don't,

1127
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.880
I don't get it. I don't see it. You know,

1128
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:11.960
I think I may have shared with you that, you know,

1129
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.599
I grew up in a multi racial community and look

1130
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:18.920
at you know, we played ball with all races and

1131
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.920
creeds and colors and everything like that. And in Little League,

1132
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.360
we didn't care what color your skin was. Was gosh,

1133
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.119
can you catch the darn ball? Can you get a

1134
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.039
darning hit once in a while. You know that that's

1135
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.400
that's all, that's all we cared about. We didn't care

1136
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:32.280
about colored skin.

1137
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.599
And then I go to college and all of a sudden,

1138
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.119
you know, these same kids I grew up with, you know,

1139
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.679
they're now involved with the Black Panthers, and they're shouting

1140
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:44.519
things at me that I'm going, well, what happened?

1141
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.159
Did I miss a memo here or something?

1142
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:47.480
You know.

1143
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:52.679
It was a youth pastor that sat me down and said,

1144
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:58.840
there was a time during the period after Jesus's death

1145
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:04.719
where there was a dispute that arose. Were the people

1146
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:10.480
who called themselves practicing Jews considered better than the people

1147
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:14.760
who were not Jewish at all, many of them were Greek,

1148
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.800
but who had adopted the faith. And my youth pastor said,

1149
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:25.480
when God said that he sent his only begotten son

1150
01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:30.360
to save the world, he meant the Greek and the

1151
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:35.039
Jew he wont the male and the female, and that

1152
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:40.920
that's how God's love worked. And I heard that as

1153
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.039
an eighth grader, and it just dawned on me. Wait

1154
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:51.360
a second. If God doesn't see us differently because quote,

1155
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.400
we have these immutable characteristics, why are we doing it?

1156
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:01.480
And I have embarked on a lifetime of understanding. I'm

1157
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.599
not perfect. I can't get up on the cross. But

1158
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:09.280
if God is open to the idea that we should

1159
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:14.159
love every person regardless of their immutable characteristics, that's the

1160
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.440
minimum that I should be able to join in and do.

1161
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:20.880
Wow, how powerful in eighth grade. To have that kind

1162
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.239
of revelation and for it to take root in your heart.

1163
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.559
That says a lot Horse Cooper about first of all

1164
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.119
the youth pastor that talked to you and shared truth

1165
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.480
with you like that. And for you, you know, to

1166
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.679
have the character that could embrace that and understand that

1167
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:41.480
is Godly wisdom, because you know that is a gift

1168
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.760
from God. That is so liberating because at the end

1169
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.480
of the day, as our good friend doctor ALBERTA. King

1170
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.440
would repeatedly say to me, Bill, we're one blood.

1171
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:55.400
Amen, right, And that's not full of the case. And

1172
01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:01.880
I have to say I today fill a special degree

1173
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:08.000
of support for missionaries precisely because they bring a truth

1174
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:12.480
that pills off the cover from the minds and eyes

1175
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.599
of people and let them see the world as it

1176
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.719
should be. All that we are doing at Project twenty

1177
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:23.280
one is just saying, look, you know this is true.

1178
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:29.280
You know there actually is no inherent difference between someone

1179
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.679
who's right handed and someone who's left handed, someone who

1180
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:36.400
has big feed, someone who is tall, someone who is short,

1181
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:41.599
someone who has small feed. And yet the left has

1182
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:48.039
weaponized these kinds of distinctions. And you know, just as

1183
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:55.400
an example, when they were doing their election gerrymandering activities,

1184
01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:02.519
they specifically were saying special treat for people solely on

1185
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.599
the basis of race. That's not what we fought for,

1186
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:12.840
that's not what we sacrifice for. Our constitution embodies these

1187
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:18.039
Christian principles, and whenever you're jumping away from those Christian principles,

1188
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.000
you need to review and look and see where you are.

1189
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:23.679
And the bottom line of all this horse is that

1190
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:25.800
they've been doing. Like you said, this has gone on

1191
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:27.760
for over one hundred years. This is what we've been

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01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.719
told how we're supposed to believe. And then you try

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and square it up with what God says, and it's

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almost like I can hear God, you know, shouting to us,

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like he did speak ever so gently and pointedly to

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Adam and Eve who told you that?

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Right?

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Yeah, absolutely. You know, here's my irony. If someone came

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to me and I was super super thirsty, I almost

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felt like I was going to pass out, and they said, oh,

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just go right over here to the right ten feet

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there's a faucet. I would be grateful, But the left says,

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how dare you intervene in that way? But so judgmental?

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Maybe they don't want to go right. It is unbelievable

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to see the level of hostility that the left has

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to the very types of knowledge that actually freese human

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beings and brings them happiness.

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It is that ongoing battle of good and evil and

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those that you know, As the Bible says, it's not

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against flush and flesh and bone. It's the spirit of

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this world. These spirits that operate in darkness and are hidden,

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those are the ones that we're warring against, not those

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that we see in front of us that are flesh

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and blood. We've got to go to quick break. Stay

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Welcome back. Bill Martinez here with a former constitutional law professor,

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recognized legal commentator and co chair Project twenty one National

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Advisory Board, Oris I guests to put a bow around

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what we were talking about previously. You know again, just

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like it took, you know, it took some decades for

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people to realize that the chains have been cut off

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that were free, and it may take some healing and

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some awareness to realize that, yes, it's not about the

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color of our skin. It is, as doctor King said,

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the content of our character.

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After all, right, yeah, so Bill, I'm gonna compliment you,

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but I mean it in a sincere way. You work

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hard to make your program something that is of value

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to your audience. If it wasn't a value, you wouldn't

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keep your audience. What the Left says is that what

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you have, what you have created, is something unique and

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is unfair. It's not at your hard work, it's not

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about your sacrifice. It's just some lottery that you have

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been given. And that advice is so awful. But that's

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the advice that the left gives people when they say

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sleep in, don't worry about working, don't study, don't do

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your homework. If your boss gives you an assignment and

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you don't like it, just don't do it. This is

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awful advice. And this is what the Left does generally.

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They say to people, many of whom really need to

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hear the truth to undertake the absolutely worst ideas. We're

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watching this in Texas where a young man killed another

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young man, and the Left wants us to believe that

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the only reason why the living young man was punished

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was because of his race, not because of the dastardly

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thing that he did.

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Exactly. Well, this is what the left prays on, you know,

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and and everything that you just shared, horace, And this

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is what I've become more observant of is that the

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Left is committed to dumbing everybody down.

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Amen.

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They want to mediocritize everybody because a mediocre constituency is

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easier to be manipulated. Right.

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Well, again, it's easier to sleep in than it is

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to get up and work. It's easier to shirk off

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and blame your boss for being overbearing than to shoulder

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the burden and do the work. If I had been

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in the life of the Carmelo family, Camelo Anthony Fan Anthony,

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I would have said as soon as this happened. We're

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going down to the sheriff office. You're going to acknowledge

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what you did wrong, and you're saying, I plan to

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plead and I'll accept whatever the sanction was. What the

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left says is it's okay to pretend that you have

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no idea what happened. This case was a slam dunk case.

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It wasn't complicated, It didn't require a lot of intuition

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to comprehend what had occurred. This wasn't a provoked event.

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This was a pre planned event. But if mom and

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dad had gone in and just simply said, my son

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acted in anger and hate and he understands it was wrong,

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there would not have been a thirty five year sentence.

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But when you make the prosecutor room what everybody knows

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actually happens, and then you refuse, you refuse to admit it.

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It is ironic to only a few on the left

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that the only time the young man cried was when

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he was found guilty, and when he was given a sentence.

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At no point, hearing about the loss of life of

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the person whose life he destroyed, did he even tear up.

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That is what the left says, Well, you don't have

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to be responsible. You don't have to act with care.

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You know what, It's not easy to go in and

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admit you did something wrong exactly well, because his parents

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didn't agree to stand up and do what was right

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and what was godly, their son is looking at thirty

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five years behind bars.

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You know, this is such a heartbreak, you know, for

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both families. I feel for both of them truly, and

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but you know, let's pause for a minute and consider

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this is the fruit of our current society, and this

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would happened right. I mean, this is a societal issue,

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and I think it's an opportunity for all of us

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to consider, you know, what's happened here. Yes, Carmelo Anthony

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is going to jail for thirty five years, but this

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is you know, we've got to think about. Is this

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the best we can do for our young kids is

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to give them a purpose and a plan to go

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and murder somebody again.

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At no point was this a hard case. It's a

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sad case. It's sad for both families. It's a very

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very sad case. But it would have been in my

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situation with my grandmother and my mother and father, they

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would have marched me right down. I walked out of

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a store once with emin ms, the chocolate with the

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peanuts inside.

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Yes.

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Oh, when my father saw me with that, he realized

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instantly that I hadn't paid for it. And guess what,

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after I put some sav on my backside, some of

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us went back to hand this open bag over to

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the clerk, apologized, and then I watched my father pay

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for it. I didn't get to keep those eminemsself. That's

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leadership that tubles the right kind of behavior. When this

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young man told his parents what they should have understood immediately,

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that he was provoked, that it was just a fight

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that broke out when his parents and the people who

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nurtured him heard that story, instead of setting up a

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fund where they got more than half a million dollars

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so that they claim that being black is the only

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reason these charges were filed. Exactly, a death occurred, That's

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why charges were filed, and no person stood up to

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accept responsibility.

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Yeah.

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Well, speaking of which, you know the things that have

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been used for fundraising. The SPLC does not have a

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good look here right now.

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Horus Cooper, absolutely, Southern Poverty Law Center has been wrong

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for a while by identifying so many people of faith

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as terrorists, as advererance, as people who were dangerous, people

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who threatened, and of course the mighty powerful word bigots

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and racist. They labeled people like doctor Ben Carson as.

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Right never find out, Yeah, now we.

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Find out that there's not enough bigotry and racism in America.

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So the SPLC went and contracted out to get more

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racism and bigotry in America that they then used as

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a basis for explaining why they played such an important role.

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This is awful that a group that was formed at

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for them and protect them, that they would now turn

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into a group that would condemn my grandparents for the

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thoughts that they had for being great Christian people, for

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understanding the biblical principles and integrity guide our lives. Now

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the SPOC is the enemy of that kind of upright

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just behavior on the part of faith based communities. I

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guess it's just ironic that we caught them at this

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and now they're likely to be labeled the very bigots

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that they used to label others.

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And they've maintained their position I mean and doubled down,

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I mean horace. The conversation that you and I've had,

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based on their own standards, could be declared as hate speech.

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Well absolutely.

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I mean, look, people used their list of locations and

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organizations and engaged in not just hateful rhetoric, but actual

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violence exactly. Charley Kirk's not alive today, and it's partly

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because this group and groups like it had an unfair narrative.

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It wasn't well, maybe you don't agree with Charlie Kirk,

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it was. He was the embodiment of hate, hostility, and bigotry,

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and some sick people hear this message and they respond.

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With violence exactly. He's the former constitutional law professor, recognized

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legal commentator, and co chair of the Project twenty one

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National Advisory Board. Horace Cooper, thank you, Haras, take care,

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you go to Bill Martinez Live dot com. We're going

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to talk about the oncologycare landscape that's evolving rapidly with

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new treatments, technologies, and approaches emerging every year. And while

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these advancements are improving patient outcomes, they are also introducing

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new complexities for healthcare providers navigating increasingly sophisticated care decisions.

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And this is according to findings from Johnson and Johnson

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Oncology Care Index, nearly three in four providers say the

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pace of ecology innovation is overwhelming, underscoring the growing gap

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between rapid clinical progress and the realities of care delivery.

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Here with us today to talk more about it is

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Donna Catamaro. She's an associate director with Myloma Research at

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01:26:56.600 --> 01:27:01.039
Mount Sinai Heal System, and Rebecca Moran, phosician assistant at

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Petemont Cancer Institute. In Noonan, Rebecca, and Don, and welcome Michelle.

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Good to have you with us.

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Thank you for having us today. I just first want

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to start off by saying we both have worked closely

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with Johnson and Johnson to be able to discuss the

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evolving cancer care landscape and the role that we provide

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as advanced practice providers or apps.

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Well, excellent, Well, this question is for both of you,

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01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:31.159
So don, I guess we can start off with you first,

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01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:35.000
walk us through your roles as advanced practice providers. What

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does that mean and how do you support patients?

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01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.800
So I'm a nurse practitioner, which means that I hold

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an advanced nursing degree, so I'm able to prescribe, treat patients,

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manage patients. I help support patients, I manage side effects,

1546
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:56.119
I coordinate their care. And as that treatment landscape becomes

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01:27:56.159 --> 01:28:00.680
more complex, so we have targeted therapies, cellular therapies. You know,

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01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.760
I help guide my patients through their treatment journey. So

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01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.479
you know, we do know that care teams that incorporate

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advanced practice providers, we know that patients have better outcomes.

1551
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.439
Exactly, Becky, how about you.

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01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:18.680
So I'm a physician assistant. I primarily work in the

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01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:21.840
hospital setting, so I get to support patients throughout their

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01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:24.279
cancer journey, in the many phases of it. So sometimes

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I'm sitting with people at diagnosis, explaining kind of what's happening,

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what needs to be done, providing them with emotional support.

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Sometimes I'm sitting with them after they're having some side

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effects from treatment or side effects or complications from their cancer,

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and I'm managing their symptoms, trying to help them feel

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as best as they can. And sometimes when my patients

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are admitted to the hospital, I'm just able to check

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in on them. We build a really strong relationship because

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of how often we're seeing them. So if I can

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provide them with some comfort, I like to do.

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That and Donn, as we suggested, dealing with cancer can

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be very complex. How do you help patients understand their options?

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Yeah, so I'm very specialized, so I specialize in blood cancers,

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in particular multiple miloma. Because I'm so specialized, I need

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to be up to date on this evolving landscapes. So

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I make sure that I again up to date with

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clinical data. And we know that clinical data can be

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published every hour on the hour, so it's rapidly evolving

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and I need to be able to translate what that

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means for my patients. So being part of that multidisciplinary team,

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I do actually help shape my patients treatment strategies and options.

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01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:44.079
As a nurse practitioner, I do play a role in

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helping patients understand their options and then making them feel

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comfortable about their decisions. And I know many patients have

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01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:54.640
said that they feel more comfortable coming to myself as

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a nurse practitioner and to Rebecca as a physician assistant

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01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.720
with their questions compared to maybe other members of the

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healthcare team.

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01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:07.279
Because as Donna suggesting him, this is very dynamic. I mean,

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you've got to constantly be aware of what's going on

1585
01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.840
as you you know, work with what some would refer

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01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.000
to as these these gaps in support for patients or

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01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:19.359
care partners today. Right.

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Yes, So I think that education is the biggest gap

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that we have. We need to be able to communicate

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with our patients all of these new ideas and new treatments,

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01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.479
and I think that with my patient's demographic, it's important

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that we educate that not all cancer is created the

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01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:38.680
same and it's not all treated the same. I've had

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a lot of patients that come to me and say, well,

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01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.560
I've had a family or a family member or a

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01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:45.479
friend that had a really difficult cancer journey, and I

1597
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.119
don't even want to mess with this. And I think

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it's important that we talk to them about what we're doing,

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01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:53.000
why we're doing it, the potential outcomes, so they can

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make an educated decision based on their specific cancer journey

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01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:58.760
and not somebody else's exactly.

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01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:03.359
Donna, As you're explaining that this is quite dynamic, I

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got to imagine so much just changed when you first entered,

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01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:08.960
you know, the profession, right.

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Yeah, so that's twenty plus years ago. You know, I

1606
01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:16.119
started caring for my love my patients, and I actually

1607
01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:19.600
had very very few treatment options that I could offer

1608
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:23.720
my patients. And now in twenty twenty six, you know,

1609
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.479
we need to stop looking. There's this stigma attached to

1610
01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.760
the word cancer, and so the cancer is becoming more

1611
01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:34.039
of a chronic illness and not a terminal illness. That

1612
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:37.800
landscape evolved and it's different from what it was twenty

1613
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:43.000
years ago. So we have this rapidly evolving landscape and

1614
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.600
almost like a wealth of riches that I can all

1615
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:49.359
these treatment options I can offer my patients. So innovation

1616
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:52.640
and care right has greatly improved outcomes and I think

1617
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:56.640
more importantly quality of life. So my role I need

1618
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:00.520
to close that gap between the pace of innovation and

1619
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:04.359
the realities of care delivery. So you know what, all

1620
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:08.000
these novel therapies are being approved for patients, and I

1621
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:10.439
need to make sure that the right therapy gets to.

1622
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:15.359
The right patient exactly. Becky is someone newer to oncology.

1623
01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:19.079
What challenges did you face early on and how are

1624
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:22.479
you building confidence in navigating cancer care?

1625
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.560
So oncology it's a different world. So treatment options are

1626
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.039
changing quickly, which is great for our patients and great

1627
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.560
for outcomes, but it can be really challenging to a

1628
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:35.199
newer app in this world. So staying up to date

1629
01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:39.279
on our continuing medical education, reading articles, doing our research

1630
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.000
is so important. And I think with every patient I see,

1631
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.520
I build more confidence than I can learn something from everyone.

1632
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:48.560
Right, Donna, as you were explaining earlier, I got to

1633
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:52.000
imagine for patients who come in because you have lots

1634
01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:57.119
of questions and you know everything that we've heard in

1635
01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:01.640
traditionally about cancer, and you come with a lot of

1636
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:05.560
information to kind of calm people's fears and give them,

1637
01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:09.680
you know, if I if I can say a healing perspective,

1638
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:10.239
is that fair?

1639
01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:14.920
Yeah, I think that's very fair. Yeah. We I think again,

1640
01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:19.319
we have multiple touch points with patients. Whereas a patient

1641
01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:21.279
might come in and see their doctor maybe once a

1642
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:24.319
month or once every few months, we're seeing patients maybe

1643
01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:26.760
on a weekly basis while they're getting their treatment, so

1644
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:29.760
we're you know, we're seeing the patient more often, we're

1645
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:33.439
managing their side effects, and I think that's why, you know,

1646
01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:37.079
patients build a comfort level with us, you know, and

1647
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:38.399
asking us questions.

1648
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:39.479
Right.

1649
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:44.079
Yeah, I think patients want options, don't they? Yes, right exactly,

1650
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:48.359
And Donna, you know you mentioned education, but also mentorship

1651
01:33:48.920 --> 01:33:52.399
plays a role here too, right, Explain that to our audience.

1652
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:54.840
So when I was a new nurse, I had some

1653
01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:57.159
of the best mentors and I think they shaped me

1654
01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.600
into the nurse I am today. So I feel like

1655
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.199
it's responsibility to pay it forward. So I do work

1656
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:07.880
very closely with newer providers such as Rebecca, and I

1657
01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:13.439
help them build their clinical judgment, navigate these complex patient cases,

1658
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.960
and hopefully I'm growing their confidence so that they can

1659
01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:22.159
provide quality care. I'm also involved in cancer research, so

1660
01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:26.760
I help educate providers on the emerging data and how

1661
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:28.600
that's going to lead to practice changes.

1662
01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:34.319
Becky, how rewarding is this for you? I can tell

1663
01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.600
by the look on your face that this seems to

1664
01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:40.159
be a very rewarding career and profession for you.

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I think that it's a hard profession to be in.

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There's a lot of what can seem like negative things,

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a lot of heavy things, a lot of heavy conversations.

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But I think being able to be there for someone,

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with being someone being their rock, someone they can trust

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in helping them, there are some joyful conversations or some

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joyful outcomes, and I think that those outweigh any of

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the hard times that we deal with. So I think

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it's a passion of mine to be able to help

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these people all the positives along with all the negatives.

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So what advice do you have for newer apps?

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01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:20.760
Lean into the learning curve, ask questions, find great mentors

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01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.399
like Donna. That's actually what led me to work with

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01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:27.680
Johnson and Johnston. They have a new to Oncology education module.

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01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:29.880
It's really great for newer apps, and they have a

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lot of information about diseases for not only apps, but

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also for patients. You can find it on apps make

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It Happen dot Com. So app s Make It Happen

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dot Com.

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And Donna, I'm sure it equally important is listening to

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the patient? Right?

1686
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:52.560
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because again I think being able, being

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more patient facing, we have that opportunity to listen to

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our patients.

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Well as we wrap things up one time, Remind everybody

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where they can go for more information if you would, Donna.

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Sure it's apps Make it Happen dot Com or apps

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make It Happen dot Com.

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Well, Donna Catamaro and Becky Moran, thank you so much

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for being with us. I appreciate the time and all

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the information.

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Take care, Thank you you too.

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Bill the Agostino from MRC. Hey, Bill, how you doing

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doing great?

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Good to see Bill.

1771
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Hey, always good to catch up with you. Let's talk

1772
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about the latest Barack Obama's Presidential Center his official dedication ceremony, right.

1773
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:48.199
Yeah, yeah, the uh that is that is a monstrosity

1774
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:50.399
of a building. By the way, I know that we're

1775
01:40:50.399 --> 01:40:52.199
not going to talk about the architecture of it, but

1776
01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.199
that is that is an ugly piece of work.

1777
01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:56.840
Yeah. No, I you know, there's not much to be

1778
01:40:56.920 --> 01:40:59.399
said about it. I mean, it looks almost like a jail.

1779
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:02.680
And then the library. I don't know, that was my

1780
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.199
first impression. I thought, what and then here it is

1781
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:09.439
all the money that it costs and uh, you know

1782
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:13.159
the overruns on it, you know, but well it's Barack Obama,

1783
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.920
you know, it's his uh, his vanity project. I guess

1784
01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:19.640
all presidents should have a vanity project. I think, I guess, right.

1785
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.039
Yeah, I mean what what separates this? Of course, and

1786
01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:25.319
this this has been brought up many times by people

1787
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:27.880
smarter than I. But what separates this from a standard

1788
01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:33.680
presidential library is that it's it's technically not affiliated with

1789
01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:35.760
with the government in the same way. And so because

1790
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.960
of that, there's there's no requirement for him to include

1791
01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:40.199
anything that he doesn't want to include. So this is

1792
01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:43.880
this is a lot more a like a worshipful monument

1793
01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:48.159
to the man Barack Obama, as opposed to the presidency

1794
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.359
of Barack Obama being documented.

1795
01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:54.399
Right. Well, and this isn't paid with tax money.

1796
01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:54.399
Is it?

1797
01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:01.439
I don't believe it is, but I probably wrong. I mean,

1798
01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:04.720
there's there's I have no idea how some of the

1799
01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.079
funding for this works. There are so many confusing channels.

1800
01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:09.800
There's probably some degree of government money that goes into it,

1801
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:12.760
but it wouldn't not the same amount that would be

1802
01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:16.000
if it was like an actual presidential library.

1803
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:18.239
Right exactly. Well, you know the thing is, speaking of

1804
01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.359
Barack Obama, it seems that as the years go by

1805
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:25.279
and we're able to look, you know, back on his presidency.

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01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.760
You know, in his closing days, he insisted that his

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01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:33.319
presidency was scandal free, which was quite shocking to many

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01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.000
of us who were there.

1809
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:36.079
And and.

1810
01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:40.680
You know, we don't have to go way back in history,

1811
01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:44.520
you know, to see the time again there were many scandals,

1812
01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:47.359
but he insisted that his was scandal free.

1813
01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:49.039
Right, Yeah.

1814
01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:52.039
I mean what's funny is is that that talking point

1815
01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:55.239
has been laundered into like a media narrative to the

1816
01:42:55.279 --> 01:42:57.119
extent that I think a lot of people forget that

1817
01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:02.439
that originated from Barack Obama. And the kind of sad

1818
01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:06.960
thing is he is technically correct if you choose to

1819
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:12.000
define scandal as anything that the media turned into a

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01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:15.880
national scandal. Right, So if the corporate media have to

1821
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:20.439
treat this like it's a terrible thing for something to

1822
01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:23.159
be a scandal, then yeah, I guess his presidency was

1823
01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.800
scandal free because you know, I mean, they never turned

1824
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:27.760
fast and furious into a scandal, even though it was

1825
01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.600
a scandal, right, they never turned everything with Eric Holder,

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01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.880
the meeting with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac, the irs

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01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:36.439
going after conservative organizations. I mean, this is just off

1828
01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:39.079
the top of my head. There's considerably more than this.

1829
01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:42.560
Everything involving Obamacare. You can keep your doctor, right. None

1830
01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:44.880
of those were scandals because the media didn't want them

1831
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to be scandals.

1832
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:50.239
Right, And if there was anything that maybe smacked a scandal,

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they had a way of getting around it. Just like

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01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:55.800
dealing with Lois Lerner and the Tea Party, you know, Patriots,

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01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:59.680
and how they handled that. Lois Learner says, well, you know,

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the thing to do is just bring it out in

1837
01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:04.199
the open. Let me give a question to one of

1838
01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:08.560
my my journalistic allies to bring up in a meeting.

1839
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Then this way they could say, oh, yeah, we've already

1840
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talked about.

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That, you know, right, right, yeah, Which is that's such

1842
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:19.359
a it's such a slimy tactic, But I mean there

1843
01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:21.640
there is something almost this is a bit of a

1844
01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:27.520
non sequitor, but there is something almost innocently playing by

1845
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:30.640
the rules about that that she is like actually bothering

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01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:32.520
to plant a question with somebody so that she can

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01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:35.560
answer it and then say, truthfully, well I've already addressed this.

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01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:38.319
When you consider the way the Biden administration worked, which

1849
01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:40.880
was just let's just send kareein Jean Pierre out there

1850
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:43.680
to lie and so somebody will ask her a question

1851
01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:46.159
and she'll dodge it, and then somebody will say, but

1852
01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:47.960
you didn't answer that question, and she'll say.

1853
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.119
No, I just did, right, and like that was it.

1854
01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:53.159
It was they didn't even they didn't even do this

1855
01:44:53.239 --> 01:44:54.439
setup right.

1856
01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:58.840
And the thing is is post Obama's presidency, and here

1857
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:01.199
we are in the modern era. I mean, I believe

1858
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:05.279
a lot of people had put and you could argue

1859
01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:09.239
it was unfair expectations on this administration, kind of hoping

1860
01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:13.960
that maybe the Obama administration would bring a close to

1861
01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:17.880
the racial divide, but it would almost seem in retrospect

1862
01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:21.680
bill that he exacerbated it more than solving it.

1863
01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:24.880
Yeah, I think it pretty dramatically worsened it thanks in

1864
01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:27.199
no part to or thanks in no small part to

1865
01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:33.039
some of the comments by Obama. I think also he

1866
01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:36.239
just I think I think there's culpability there. I think

1867
01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:40.600
he also happened to preside over an era in which

1868
01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:44.199
a lot of the older millennials, who were trained by

1869
01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:48.199
a lot of these Marxist professors kind of came of

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01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:52.680
age and entered the economy and became working adults and

1871
01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:55.760
started kind of influencing things. So I think it's I mean,

1872
01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:58.760
there are there's there's so much you could say about

1873
01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:03.159
about how we got to the insane racial dynamic point

1874
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:07.359
that we're at right now, but it's it's ridiculous to

1875
01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:11.479
say Obama did anything but exacerbated. I think that's definitely true.

1876
01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.800
Well, yeah, I remember clearly, you know, I'm based out

1877
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:18.159
of Florida and you know, south of me, the Trayvon

1878
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:24.520
Martin case where you know, he announced that he could

1879
01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:24.920
have been his.

1880
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:27.359
Son, he could have been my son, right, yeah, right.

1881
01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:30.399
And and then and then what happened? How many people

1882
01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:32.479
I don't know the exact number, but I know there

1883
01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.960
were several people at least that were uh, you know,

1884
01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:39.119
were killed in the name of Trayvon Martin. You know,

1885
01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:42.680
it was black on white murder, all in the name

1886
01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.720
this is for Trayvon, you know, was uh with some

1887
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:49.920
of the responses that the murder would would spout off

1888
01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:54.800
as he killed, you know, a fellow citizen or a cop,

1889
01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:56.960
a cop, and yeah, right, even a cop exactly.

1890
01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:02.439
Yeah, And I remember I remember Obama also eulogizing a

1891
01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:06.760
slain cop and bringing up Trayvon and talking about police

1892
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:09.279
police shootings of black men, and it was like, really

1893
01:47:09.319 --> 01:47:11.960
at the guy's funeral in front of his wife, mister president,

1894
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:13.560
are you serious?

1895
01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:14.279
Right?

1896
01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:17.439
And the thing is is that look at what happened

1897
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:19.960
in that. I think that was probably one of the

1898
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:25.039
key triggering events that you know, gave place for Black

1899
01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:28.119
Lives Matter. Oh and then of course, and then of

1900
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.800
course then we have George Floyd shortly after that, right, right.

1901
01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:34.520
And I mean, so, okay, Black Lives Matter. Yeah, it

1902
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:37.800
it needed an event like Trayvon to kind of be

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a flash in the pan or like a you know,

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lightning in a bottle moment to kick start it. But

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I think that the Obama administration created the necessary conditions

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for something like that to happen to begin with, not

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for the Trayvon Martin incident to happen, but rather for

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a deliberately cynical Marxist organization and ethno narcissist organization like

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Black Lives Matter to profit off of it and become

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as prominent as they did. I don't think you get

1911
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BLM flags all over Facebook and act or Twitter back

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then and whatever else during during Mike Brown and during

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George Floyd exactly Obama presidency.

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Right, and you mentioned Obamacare. I mean here it is.

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It's on life support, never fulfilled its promise whatsoever. The

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President lied about it so much so that Joe Wilson

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couldn't help himself. He just, you know, he just utterly

1918
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responded when the President was not being forthcoming and during

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a State of the Union says, well, that's a lie. Well,

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then Wilson, you know, gets all but tarred and feathered.

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But you know, the fact of the matter is is

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that Barack Obama was deceiving about it, and Joe Wilson

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was right, but nobody wanted to pluck the feathers off.

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Of him, right right, Yeah.

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It's the reaction to that in the media, to Joe

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Wilson yelling you, I think he said you lie, sir too.

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I might be wrong. He might have just said you lie.

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But you compare that to some of the stunts that

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these Democrats pull routinely now during the State of the Union.

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I mean, remember Nancy Pelosi with her pre risking speech,

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just tearing it up in front of him and tossing.

1932
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I mean, there is so much hand ringing over what

1933
01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:28.119
Trump has done to the political discourse that very few

1934
01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:32.279
people bother to remember that A lot of it is yeah,

1935
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.720
it wouldn't happen without Trump, because it's the left's response

1936
01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:39.000
to Trump is what is dragging down the political discourse.

1937
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It's basically, well, look, I hate this individual so much

1938
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specifically that I can now start openly cursing on the

1939
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Senate floor, right.

1940
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So, you know, I think common sense things like closing

1941
01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:56.079
the border and not letting twenty million illegal immigrants come

1942
01:49:56.119 --> 01:50:01.319
into the country and finding that mactuary, Yeah, find sanctuary,

1943
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particularly in sanctuary states that happened to be blue that

1944
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:08.800
are fraught with fraud. I guess that's a bad thing.

1945
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I guess we just want to go and turn a

1946
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blind eye to everything until all of a sudden, are

1947
01:50:14.840 --> 01:50:17.439
a democratic republic just fully collapses.

1948
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.079
Right, Well, we were supposed to, and then Trump came

1949
01:50:20.079 --> 01:50:23.199
along and declared, and you know, they've been losing their

1950
01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:26.319
minds ever since. But yeah, I mean that that set

1951
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:30.920
us on a pretty pretty different trajectory. But it's it is,

1952
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It is sort of I think one of the most

1953
01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:37.880
remarkable the Sorry, the Obama presidency is one of the

1954
01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:44.239
most remarkable juxtapositions to the immediately subsequent Trump presidency as

1955
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:48.039
far as media handling, because I I mean, look, I

1956
01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:52.039
you know, didn't live through that many presidencies before Obama.

1957
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I'm thirty five, but I cannot fathom more effusive and

1958
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:02.760
just harassing praise for a president than what we saw

1959
01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:06.600
for Obama during his presidency, and then followed immediately by,

1960
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:14.079
without question, the most just unified media hate campaign against

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the presidency in history.

1962
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Right, and to me, they have really dishonored what the

1963
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First Amendment is all about, what the media should be

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doing on behalf of we the people, and holding the

1965
01:51:27.359 --> 01:51:31.279
government accountable by calling balls and strikes. Look, I get it,

1966
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:33.920
sometimes you need to have some entertainment, but that's for

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01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.920
the editorial page, but for the real news, you know,

1968
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And this is why they're losing eyes and they're losing

1969
01:51:40.039 --> 01:51:42.960
they've lost trust, you know, with the American people because

1970
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.439
the people see that, you know, they don't need bias reporting.

1971
01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:50.399
They don't, you know, they really insult their readership to

1972
01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:53.039
think that, you know, you must tell the readership what

1973
01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:55.840
they are to believe, right, right.

1974
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And I mean the case for television news, especially cable news,

1975
01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:03.800
is actually stuff. It's it's a lot worse. I mean,

1976
01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:08.000
so CNN basically pioneered the twenty four hour news cycle

1977
01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:10.279
that was what gave them the quote unquote leg up

1978
01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:14.000
over the broadcast networks, right is, you know, if something's happening,

1979
01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:18.039
you don't turn on ABC because ABC might not break

1980
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:20.800
into their regularly scheduled program to talk about it. You

1981
01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:23.000
might have to wait till you know, World News tonight. Oh,

1982
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.239
but you can just turn on CNN. Look, they're talking

1983
01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:27.359
about it right now. We can see all the new developments.

1984
01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:30.720
So that was kind of the great technological innovation. But

1985
01:52:31.399 --> 01:52:33.600
around the same time that they all started lighting their

1986
01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:36.359
credentials on fire and sacrificing them on the altar of

1987
01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:41.800
the Democratic Party's electoral prospects, the Internet became a widespread

1988
01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:45.600
means of getting those real time updates instead. And so

1989
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the case for television media is even I would I

1990
01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:52.000
would argue floundering more than print media. I mean, I

1991
01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.439
don't I don't know what's something like CNN RMS now

1992
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:56.560
looks like in twenty years, but it looks nothing like

1993
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:58.079
what I think of them as today.

1994
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Right. Well, you know, I guess the bottom line here

1995
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is that, yes, the liberal media held up Obama for

1996
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:10.119
all those years, but they seem to be stepping back

1997
01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:13.239
a little bit. There seems to be some distance. What's

1998
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your perception on.

1999
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:18.720
That on a distance distance from in terms of in.

2000
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Terms of supporting him, like the you know, the reigning

2001
01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:24.920
Black messiahs, so to speak.

2002
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I think that that's mostly attributable to the the factional

2003
01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.680
dispute that is currently going on in the Democratic Party

2004
01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:40.039
where there is a radical cadre of progressives who have

2005
01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.880
fancied themselves ascendant in the party for a long time,

2006
01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:50.239
and now with with elections like mom Donni with with

2007
01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:54.159
members of Congress like Alexandria Cosio Bortez and some of

2008
01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:59.439
her friends coming in, they're finally starting to feel like, Okay, yeah, no,

2009
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this is our show now, we get to run things now.

2010
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And because of that, I think that there's a bit

2011
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of shuffling around as far as loyalties go. That's mostly

2012
01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:14.920
how I see the I wouldn't call it a split

2013
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.680
with Obama, but certainly the waning of some of his influence,

2014
01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:20.560
because I mean, if you compare it to even as

2015
01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:25.560
recently as twenty twenty, right when suddenly every Democratic candidate

2016
01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:31.039
in the presidential primary dropped out literally overnight and endorsed

2017
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Biden except for Bernie Sanders obviously, who the democratic establishment

2018
01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:38.119
was afraid of. I mean, we've never gotten confirmation of this,

2019
01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:40.000
but there's I don't think there's a living soul that

2020
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thinks that anything other than oh well, Obama called all

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01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:45.039
of them and told them to drop out.

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Yeah, no question building Augustina, Research analyst for MRC's News

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Analysis Division. Bill is always appreciate the time.

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Take care, Thanks so much, good to see it.

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