June 23, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 23 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 23 26
The Bill Martinez Show 06 23 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okay, is doing Ill Martinez Live a program about

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current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Wel good morning America. Glad you could join us six

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minutes after the top of the alt right now. I'm

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Bill Martinez. He's Peter Johnston, author of his new book,

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Negotiating with Trump. And what a perfect book right now

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with all that the president has been doing and negotiating

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peace once again and again, all the events around here

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run and we're going to have fun discussing, you know,

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the lessons on power, influence and dealing with extreme bargainers

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as you write. Peter, Welcome, Michelle. Good to have you

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with us.

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It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you for having

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me on your show.

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Bill Well, a little background here, ladies and gentlemen. He's

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a leading authority on negotiation and the international best selling

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author of Negotiating with Giants. So been there, done that

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you probably got. If you took your shirt off, we'd

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see all the scars.

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Right, Yeah, you might, but you wouldn't want me to

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take my shirt off now.

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But I understand it. But a lot that you share

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with us is I mean, it's personal. I mean, these

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are adventures experiences that you've gone through that are such

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a blessing. And so, first of all, negotiating with Trump,

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why Trump?

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Trump is the ultimate case example that we all are

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aware of for learning what effective and ineffective negotiation looks like.

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We haven't had a negotiator like this Bill in history,

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who's so high profile, who stakes his personal brand on

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negotiation as a field and whose own state department has

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declared that he's America's greatest fieldmaker ever. So he's a

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great way to learn about negotiation. I wrote the book

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for those two reasons. One is to better understand Trump

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his person an Alley type. The psychology uses his strengths

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and weaknesses so that you can understand him, but you

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can better influence him as a diplomat, business person, or citizen.

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And secondly, I wrote the book so that the average

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person can learn how to negotiate more effectively in their

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own lives based on Trump as a case example.

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Well, exactly, because you know has been said you get

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what you negotiate, right, And a lot of people sometimes

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find themselves unhappy in their careers and the situations that

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they're in because they don't know how to negotiate. This

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is why some high profile people who have the ability

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to hire attorneys negotiate for them right exactly.

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And we're negotiating any time we're trying to influence someone

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to do something, so that doesn't involve lawyers most of

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the time, doesn't involve long contracts. It can just be

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an oral agreement between you and me that I'm coming

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on your show, and for both our sakes reputationally, we

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show up. We don't sign a contract, though, And so

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this is how pervasive negotiation is in our lives, from

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our homes to the international stage. And the lessons are

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all the same, Bill that's the magic of what I

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do for a living.

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Number one lesson for me has always been a negotiation

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should be win win based, because I think that if

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you if somebody has a decided advantage over somebody, you know,

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like for example, what happened in World War One, Okay,

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that wasn't the outcome wasn't necessarily I mean seemingly on

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the surface, it seemed like a good negotiation.

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After being the resolution of the war exactly.

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That's what I'm talking about, for example, So you know,

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expound on that if you would.

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Well you know, I'll touch on that very briefly just

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to say, I want to come back to the win lose,

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win win concept. But treaty of arse verse, I say,

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they should have negotiated in the opposite direction. They should

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have started with negotiating with Germany and decided what was

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appropriate there and then left the rest of the spoils

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to the other nations the victors. Instead, they did the reverse,

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and by the time they got to negotiating with Germany,

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nothing was left for Germany to get, and that's what

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ultimately led to its sense of extreme loss and the

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Second World War. So that's just touching on that piece.

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But coming back to this idea of win win, you

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know a lot of people think that sounds naive and aspirational.

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I say, that's the harsh reality of deal making. If

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the others saw, if I'm negotiating with you and I'm

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just taking everything and not giving you anything, we're not

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going to get a deal. You're going to be unhappy

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with the deal and you're going to exit from it quickly,

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or where it's just going to be a bad deal.

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So this idea of win win, where we're meeting each

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other's interests, this is where President Trump has a lot

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of strengths in influence and negotiation. He's better at informal

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deals often than formal deals like this Iran deal. But

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his mentality of win lose, which he had with Iran

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as soon as he tore up that the Iran nuclear

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deal in twenty eighteen because he felt America didn't win

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enough through that deal without looking what America was getting

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in return, leads him into situations where he's overly aggressive

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trying to win, and it's resulted ultimately, honestly in the

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United States in terms of national interests not winning in

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this negotiation with Iran.

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Right well, And the thing is, in any kind of negotiation,

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you have to have enough respect and trust of, you know,

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for the other person that you're negotiating with. I think

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this is the thing that can lead to a deal

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that's unsustainable, like what happened in Germany, that you create

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so much pain and you violate the integrity of the

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individual in such a degree that they say, Okay, I'm

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just going to sign it to get over with. You

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got me over a barrel, but I'm going to come back,

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you know later. I think the situation in Iran, for example,

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you know Trump is good in terms of what I

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see in terms of dealing with most business situations because

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you know, you both know what you want. At the

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end of the day, you may come at a different angles. Okay,

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you can parse it out and maybe you don't get everything,

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but you still feel, hey, look at I got a

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good deal out of this deal. Iran is untenable. They

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want one thing and one thing only. They want Israel

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gone in America next. So how do you negotiate your demise?

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Well, I think by the way I look at Trump

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in negotiating with Trump, I look at his deal making

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over the past fifty years from business to the political realm,

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and I would say he has approached those negotiations the

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same way and often ineffectively in trying to win and not.

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You know, as you say, the problem with that is

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it doesn't build trust between us when I want you

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to lose and I'm going to win and trust for

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the sustainability of any deal. The lawyers and the contracts matter.

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But as you know, what matters is are both our

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interests being satisfied through that deal and do we have

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that base of trust for allowing us to continue to

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look out for each other over the course of that deal.

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When we look at the Iran deal that's been announced

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and the memorandum of understanding, I look at the how

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and then the what. And the how involves how the

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parties dealt with each other. Why did they come to

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the table in the first place, who was involved, was

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the right level of expertise, there was the breadth and

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depth of negotiation appropriate? And was trust built during the

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process not undermine? Well, when you are forcing someone to

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come to the table by threatening to annihilate them, that

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means that the deal you reach is going to be

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flawed from the very beginning in terms of trust between

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the parties over the long term. And then the second

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piece is you look at the what in Iran and

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I would say there really was no room for agreement

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on this. So as upset as people may be over

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the long term deal, I don't think it's going to happen.

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It's dead on.

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Arrival, because, first of all, Iran, would you give up

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your nuclear your nuclear ambitions if you had been attacked

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twice in an unprovoked manner over the last nine months alone.

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And look at how successful North Korea has been by

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having nuclears. It has not been attacked. And second, the

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strait of horror moves. Would you give up your superpower

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that you've just learned that you fully have your back

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and call and to go in any negotiation when it

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gives you the ultimate power over the world economy and

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the United States of America.

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for Patriots, Hey, we're back with you.

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Bill Martinez here with Peter Johnson in his book Negotiating

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with Trump. Peter, as we're wrapping up that first segment,

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you're exactly right. You know what they can discern out

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of this. And I always look at whenever I'm negotiating

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with somebody, I look at their tradition. You know, if

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you want to know what somebody will do look at

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what they've done. There is a pattern that's been well established,

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not just in the last five ten years or several.

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I mean this has been you know, thousands of years

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of a pattern of a people, a radical group like this,

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and especially when they have allies like Hesboala and which

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trying to protect in Lebanon, the hu thies, and of

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course we still got Hamas controlling about forty five percent

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of the Gaza. So these are still you know, potential

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firebrands that could explode and really tear up all this negotiation.

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Maybe what you're saying earlier and I discerned and you

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correct me if I'm wrong, is right now. This is

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probably the best we could do with the cards that

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we have available. And this is why Trump had to

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do this.

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I think ultimately, well that didn't have to be the

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case by any means, it was the ultimate case, and

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that this was as good as the United States could

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get and Trump could get given his interest and going

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back to how we can judge this deal and know

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that it's likely to not be followed through on in

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the longer term and the shorter term seems to meet

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both parties interests to buy some time from the fighting

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and the economic chaos.

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But on the how to your point on those proxy

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groups acting on behalf of a reprehensible regime in Iran

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when you don't have them involved in the talks, and

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you don't have Israel involved in the talks because Trump

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likes to do these things on his own. That's the

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downside to not involving others. It's the sustainability of what's

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been agreed is undermined. And that's why I say it's

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very unlikely either side's going to have to deal with

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this in the longer term because it's not going to

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happen as a longer term agreement.

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Well, we've had several ceasefires during this ordeal, and whether

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it's has bel you know, firing missiles. I mean, even

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if you look back over the alleged ceasefires, you know

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we had more fires than cease yes, so right, and so,

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yeah and so. And Israel they've been living with this,

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you know, since they became a nation again and nineteen

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forty eight, Well, they've been attacked by other entities even

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you know, from the day of their birth, you know,

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thousands of years ago. So, but this is intolerable, especially

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after World War two. And all that they went through

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in the Holocaust and what's happened. So you know, all

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it's going to take is Hesbla or the hoodies or

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something again to fire on Israel and Benjamin Netanyah who.

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You know, they're a sovereign nation. They have every right

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to defend themselves, right.

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And I think in part the president thought he was

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doing netna Who a favor by acting as he did

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in the attacks on Iran twice. But in fact, as

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netnya Who has learned, he and Israel are going to

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be big losers in this right, in terms of the

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division between the US and Israel. But you know, when

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you look at the fact that this deal, which Trump

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was really forced to reach after having said, as you said,

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he said so many times, more than thirty times, We're

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going to.

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Have a deal.

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He told his team clearly, just get a deal. Whatever

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the terms are, I don't really care. And when you

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look at the fact that that didn't meet the stated

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national interest on four fronts in any way, that leads

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you to question, well, why did we go to war

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in the first place.

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As the United States well, and it also gives and

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it gives credence to what Barack Obama said that we

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were better off before than we are now. I don't

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quite believe that, but that's his story. He's sticking to it.

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Well, i'll tell you so. Trump takes going to that

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aggressive win lose approach that's called a fixed pie negotiation

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in negotiation terms, where we see the pie as fixed.

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It's a set size, and my job in negotiating with

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you is to win the biggest piece of that pie.

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Another approach that has proven to be much more effective

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because of the lessons of the Second World War you

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referred to, is an expanded pile approach, where we look

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to meet each other's interests and the size of the

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pie through trade, through any negotiation, where we're meeting each

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other's interests so that we can get a bigger slice,

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much bigger slice than we would get through that fighting over.

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Since both of us would get a bigger slice exactly exactly,

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like for example, what happened in Venezuela.

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Right, Well, I don't know how Venezuela ended up with

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a bigger slice there, I'm not sure, but certainly that

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was more of a fixed pie approach. And the president

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brings this fixed pie approach, which limits the value to

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be clear that he's able to achieve through his negotiations.

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He's very good bill at certain things in negotiations, mainly

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and formally. But to start with that mindset of my

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job is to beat you. It leads to people not

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wanting to do business with the president personally, professionally, or

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in national politics. And we've seen that the most successful

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negotiators take an expanded pie. I'll meet your interests, you

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meet mine. Now, going back to what interests have been

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satisfied to the presidents by going into Iran, I think

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a number of those were personal interests. I think he's

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incredibly effective at meeting his own personal interests through all

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of these negotiations. And those interests included a distraction at

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home from the Epstein files, as many have said, looking

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more powerful and authoritative amid an economy that was sputtering

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by trying to look strong militarily, and just in terms

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of grievances with Iran alone, you know, the grievance over

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Obama's twenty fifteen deal and how he felt about that deal,

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as well as grievances towards as he said he believes

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Iran interfered with both the twenty twenty and twenty four

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twenty twenty four elections, So his personal interests weren't being

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He tried to satisfy them, didn't. At this point has

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decided this war is undermining those interests as well as

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national interests, and it's time to focus back on the US.

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But we could return to the battlefield any time, depending

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on any day the president wakes up and whether he

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decides war meets his interests better than dealing with his

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domestic situation.

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Well, you said something earlier, and I hope the audience

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caught that, because this is significant, because I think this

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was the big surprise here, and that was that the

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strait of horror moves.

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You know, Yes, yeah, it's well, there's nothing if the

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straight of hor Hormuz, the nuclear front by the way,

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just going. I would just say to you, I have

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no I'm a non partisan. This is through the objective

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lens of a negotiator. I would say, despite concerns about

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the twenty fifteen Iraan nuclear deal, the US would be

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hard pressed. It would be a stunning feet of negotiation,

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given how the dynamics have changed since then, for Trump

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to reach a deal that's even close to what Obama

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reached over nuclear arms in twenty fifteen.

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But around with that negotiation still had a pathway to

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obtain a nuclear weapon, and trump Number one goal was

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to stop that, to make sure they didn't And in

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a sense he certainly Whether or not he's fully stopped

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that as yet to be seen. We don't know, but

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he's definitely delayed and put it back maybe a decade

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or two.

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I'd push back. I don't think it's a decade or two.

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They still have all the know how that they need,

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They have their enriched uranium. My last book was on

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nuclear weapons and negotiating them. I don't think Iran's that

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as far away as the President would like through these efforts.

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And I think if you're Iran and I again a

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reprehensible regime, but would you want to give up the

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right to building a nuclear weapon given that you've been

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attacked twice of late, and when you look at North

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Korea as an example. By the way, one of the

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reasons the President said he was tearing up the nuclear

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deal in twenty eighteen with Iran was because he wanted

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to send a signal to North Korea that they should

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lay down their arms and give them up as a

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show of force as the United States, well, we know

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how North Korean Kim Jong un responded, they doubled down

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and said, that's not going to happen to us. You

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didn't meet your word with Iran. Why would I trust you,

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President Trump, to reach a deal where I give up

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all my nuclear weapons that I already have in return

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for what.

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Yes, exactly, Yeah, Now, I thought that was hyperbolic and

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an extreme I don't see under any I don't know

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how under any terms you're going to negotiate with the

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Hermit king Kingdom on that.

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You know, not at this point. And I think Iran's

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learned the lessons from North Korea. Noticed, no one's attacked

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North Korea in the last ten years, and there's a

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reason for that, and Iran's taken that smartly. And I

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really that's why I say, I think there's really no

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room substantively at this point foreign agreement that would truly

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meet the interests of the United States and Iran.

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I would say, the difference between you know, what's you know, Korea,

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what Korea has done in terms, it's not like they've

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been aggressive, you know, Yes, they you know, fired off

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some missiles and demonstrated that they have far, far reaching capacity,

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whereas Iran has been rather aggressive in the Middle East.

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Absolutely so, so a huge difference there in a sense.

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So Kim john Un has you know, he's not looking

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to aggravate something, whereas I think the Iranians they have

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been and they've poked the bear, and I think that

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what's happened in this whole situation. What my takeaway from

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our conversation, Peter is that this has not been a

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win win. This is almost turned into a lose lose proposition.

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Is that fair to say? I I yea.

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My only pushback what I'd say, the United States national

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interest wise has lost. I think Iran has been in bolden.

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Yeah, well, as they say, we'll see, we will see,

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We'll see how this plays out. Peter. Thank you so much,

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elik Ford. We've got to continue this conversation. I wish

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I had more time with you, and I'd love that.

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Bill.

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I look forward to having you back. Congratulations on the book,

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Negotiating with Trump, Lessons on power, influence and dealing with

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extreme bargainers. Peter Johnston has been our guest. Peter, thank

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you so much.

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Take care, Thanks Bill, take care.

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Hey, welcome back to America.

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Glad you can join us. Bill Martinez here with the

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infamous Nails Gravillius, the LA based private detective and author

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of the Last Law and True Stories of a Private Detective.

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Mister Nail's how we doing?

513
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I think I'm pretty good, mister Martinez.

514
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Well we look wonderful. You look wonderful as always. Hey,

515
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lots to catch up on. First of all, let's revisit,

516
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.480
if we can, the Carmelo Anthony murder trial. We know

517
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:57.000
the results. I boy, I'll tell you, I don't know

518
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.960
in retrospect that you look at his lawyer, the way

519
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.920
they tried to play this, They tried to play the

520
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.400
race guard on it instead of you know, going in.

521
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.920
I think just the strategy just blew up in their

522
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:13.599
face and got this kid, you know, thirty five years.

523
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:15.160
I think it's unfortunate.

524
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:22.119
I agree with you, Bill, any really good lawyer would

525
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.480
have gone in and pleaded him out. Yeah, it's dead bang.

526
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.079
You know, there's nothing good about this case. What I

527
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.720
can say about Carmelo Anthony is he grew up in

528
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:40.039
a family that rewarded aggression. You know, he didn't stand

529
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.000
a chance having parents like the people who raised him.

530
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.799
They do it GoFundMe or whatever they get six hundred

531
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.799
thousand dollars and they spend the money on luxury cars

532
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.759
and a publicist and a crappy lawyer who didn't really

533
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:54.400
defend him.

534
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.599
Yeah. No, you're spot on on this, And that was

535
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.599
my read that the parents were aggrieved and looking for

536
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.759
reparations and playing the race card and that sort of thing.

537
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.240
And the thing that came out early to me anils

538
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.680
is I think that this young man had a little

539
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.519
bit of counseling, because even after it occurred, he went

540
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.799
to his coach and admitted that he had done something wrong,

541
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.920
and there was some remorse and regret there. Unfortunately that

542
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.359
vapored once his parents took over. It seemed just my

543
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:26.480
impression anyway.

544
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.559
I don't think his parents would have rewarded remorse from him.

545
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:35.119
I mean, they had been you know, we have too

546
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.440
many young people who grow up with a familiar circumstance

547
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.640
where they reward this sort of aggression. It's a horrifying

548
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.799
act of murder, manslaughter, whatever you want to call it,

549
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.240
a second degree murder. As far as I'm concerned, if

550
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.319
I was a judge sentencing Carmelo Anthony, I would have

551
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.519
given him twenty with an opportunity to change. And if

552
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.319
he couldn't embrace change in the penal system, give him

553
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.960
the thirty, you know, give him the extra fifteen. But

554
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.799
I would have given him an opportunity to change, because

555
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.599
a guy like that doesn't stand a chance with parts

556
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.079
of the sort that he that he clearly grew up with.

557
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.880
And look what they're throwing him into, Nils. I mean,

558
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.519
he's going into a penal system that is going to

559
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.759
just own this young man. And you know, and you

560
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.480
know that going in so it's a disaster. I mean,

561
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.000
this whole thing is tragic. I mean, nobody wins on

562
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.759
this thing, but there could be you know, I'm like you,

563
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.240
I look and see where is the redemptive quality in this?

564
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.599
And I think that this young man would have had

565
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:51.200
some counseling and some direction, maybe even if if it

566
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.519
was even possible for the judge to say, look it,

567
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.000
let's let's get this man some counseling. He's get this

568
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.720
young man some counseling and see if he's redeemable. See,

569
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.640
you know, did what he said to his coach? Is

570
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:11.680
that a seed of potential redemption to where then you do,

571
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.680
like like you said, a twenty year deal and see

572
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.319
if this man, this young man can be redeemed and

573
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:26.200
take this mistake and be able to do something for himself,

574
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.319
and even in the name of the young man that

575
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:29.839
he killed.

576
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.240
I agree with you. As long as a man is alive,

577
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.480
there is hope that he can change, Yes, but he

578
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.359
has to take complete ownership of his life, you know,

579
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.960
take the best of what he can get from his

580
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.559
parents and from whatever services he's offered in prison. But

581
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.200
often prisons just make men into worse men. You know.

582
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.079
Let's see if he can take ownership of his life.

583
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.480
But with these parents, he's not gonna not going to

584
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.759
find his way forward. I hope he finds some authentic

585
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.800
leadership in the in the prison system of Texas.

586
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.760
Yeah. I can only hope and pray that that would

587
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.400
be the case. But there's this is just another one

588
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.400
of the stories, the millions of stories just like this

589
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.559
young man, whether it's you know, Trayvon Martin. I think

590
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.920
back with the Trayvon Martin case. You know what a

591
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.639
fiasco that was and what it ignited in terms of

592
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.480
a race right in this country and and here it is.

593
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.679
I mean, you had the race baters trying to do

594
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.440
everything they could to contrive something on the hills of

595
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.360
a Supreme Court decision that said, look at race is

596
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.599
all but gone. It's it's it's lost its oxygen. It

597
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.920
has no place in this culture anymore. And and thank god,

598
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.079
the uh, you know, the Anthony family was not able

599
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:56.280
to gin any kind of race reaction that could have

600
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.039
done something like George Floyd all over again.

601
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.159
I agree with you, the hard left is always willing

602
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.320
to give it a try, though they don't want to

603
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.559
lose even a moment of power from anything.

604
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:16.000
Well, we saw what happened with the SPLC Southern Poverty

605
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.159
Law Center, and even in the hearing, I mean, it's

606
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.840
just ridiculous the people they had on their hate map,

607
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.119
and they had no concern whatsoever, Nils that what they

608
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.480
put on that hate map had any connection with you know,

609
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.239
murder attempts on some of these you know, conservative groups

610
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.880
that because they hold to a doctrine that is scriptural,

611
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.400
all of a sudden they're regarded as a hate entity.

612
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.000
Did you see the California Post today They reported on

613
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.559
one of the SPLC executives who was in a romantic

614
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.960
relationship with one of the Nazis they were supporting.

615
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.119
Why not, Look, I mean.

616
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.000
Let me ask you the question, Billy, does he have

617
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.079
Stockholm syndrome or does she?

618
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:05.280
Yeah?

619
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:10.480
Right, well or maybe both? You know, yeah, all the above. Yeah, no,

620
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.400
it's it's well again interesting that, you know, politics and

621
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.199
everything else makes for strange bedfellows. As they say, right, Nells, Billy.

622
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.960
I'm not going to touch that with a twenty foot

623
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.639
barge pole. You can't bait me into a bad answer.

624
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.800
You can't do it, Martinez. As dangerous a man as

625
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.800
you all, you can't talk me into that. One man.

626
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.199
Okay, well, we'll leave that as it as it lies.

627
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.079
It's okay, but you know that again, getting back and

628
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.360
just as a rap on Carmelo Anthony, I just I

629
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:48.079
feel for both these young men, you know, and the families,

630
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.519
you know, the devastation that has happened to both these families.

631
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.360
Although you know, I think the parents, as you say,

632
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.760
they're so fixed in their narrative and that this is

633
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.800
you know, a prejudicial act. This was a racial decision

634
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.679
based on you know, race only, and uh, you know,

635
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.480
and they even tried to claim that, you know, the

636
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.239
jurors were not represented. There wasn't minority representation. I think

637
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:16.639
they had.

638
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:20.800
Six CNN reported that it was an all white joy

639
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.679
you know, well, George Zimmerman, the white Latino.

640
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.800
I was going to say that CNN was the same

641
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.440
one that came up with that a white Mexican, a

642
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.360
white Latino. And I had to call my mother. I go, Mom,

643
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.840
did I miss something here? You know, have you ever

644
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.360
heard a white Latino? She laughed, or you know, she

645
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.360
just laughed. I said, I want to they But anyway,

646
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.159
she thought it was quite quite comical in much the

647
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:50.920
same way when I called her and I said, I

648
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.920
went to a what they called a gourmet Mexican restaurant,

649
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.840
and it was still rice and beans and avocados, but

650
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.840
it was a gourmet Mexican restaurant. Only in West Balm Beach.

651
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.719
I'm telling you only Yeah, Okay. So they had a

652
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.480
gourmet Mexican restaurant in Copenhagen, Danmark, and the guy running

653
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.320
it was like the son of grandson of some Mexican

654
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.000
communists who had to flee Mexico in the fifties and

655
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:20.079
then go into business for himself because socialism and communism

656
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.159
wasn't going to support his ass in in Danmark, so

657
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.719
he got to be super exotic in Copenhagen, it was.

658
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.079
It was some pretty odd Mexican food. I got a

659
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.400
comitos makana. It was strange stuff in Danmark.

660
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.559
Man, I gotta tell you, well, I'll guarantee you he

661
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:39.559
didn't wash dishes.

662
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.320
Yeah, no, way, that was happening, right exactly, good communist.

663
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.960
Right, well exactly, that's what that's what we love about him. Man.

664
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.440
You do what I say, not as I do, right.

665
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:56.159
Right right. You know, for the Marxist Marxism is never insufficient.

666
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.400
It's just people are insufficiently Marxist.

667
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:05.000
Isn't that true? True? Huh, Truer words have never been stated,

668
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.719
mister Nils. I'm telling you, look at let's go to break.

669
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We've got more to discuss with Nils Gravillis, the crime expert.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with the infamous and

742
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.079
one and only Neils Gourvillius, the crime expert author US

743
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Army VET, who completed three tours in Korea with DMZ service.

744
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.519
Well know, I've been always wanting to ask you the

745
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.039
DMZ service. I mean, you know, we look at you know,

746
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.800
that great movie with Jack Nicholson, A few good men

747
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.360
sitting there at the DMZ, and you know what was

748
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:44.599
what was that like for you?

749
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:55.840
At It was great periods of boredom and lots of fatigue,

750
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.000
details like burning excrement and filling sandbags. And then you

751
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.119
take a five paragraph operations order for a patrol. You're

752
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.159
going to run into the DMZ right up close to

753
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.880
North Korea, within meters of North Korea. Maybe an ambush,

754
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.320
maybe a reconnaissance, something like that. You go through a

755
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.960
pre patrol inspection. You've got the Neutral Nations people from

756
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.400
Sweden inspecting you at guard posts one, two eight to

757
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.400
make sure that you're fully equipped for an armist disagreed

758
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.239
patrol in the DMZ. I don't know why they call

759
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.360
it a demilitarized zone. There are no civilians up there, man.

760
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:40.800
I can promise you that sitting in thirty degree below

761
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.199
zero weather for eight hours in Mickey Mouse boots, Parker

762
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.639
Field pants, etc. With Clay Moore minds out waiting for

763
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.519
the North Koreans to come in, occasionally making contact with them.

764
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.920
That sort of thing, you know what I'm talking about.

765
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.400
Or in the summertime, it's as hot and damp as

766
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.800
Panama and mosquitoes eating you alive, and you're sitting in

767
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.880
wet MUDs, rice paddies that haven't been tended since theeen

768
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.239
early nineteen fifties, but still smell of human waste and

769
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.599
that sort of thing. Some of the places in the

770
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:20.159
DMZ you could find fox holes that were mostly caved

771
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:25.519
in with stacks of ammunition and the belt links of

772
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:29.960
thirty caliber that sort of thing from the fifties, old

773
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.960
hand grenades and things you wanted to be careful of minefields.

774
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.920
You know, it's not a pleasant thing. I don't think

775
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.039
it was pleasant duty for the North Koreans either, And

776
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.920
still to this day, broadcast over loud speakers opposite us,

777
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.199
opposite Hill Won sixty seven, occasionally you'd see the rocks

778
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.000
in contact on Hill won sixty seven. White Horse Division

779
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:59.480
a ninth division. You'd see red tracers flying north, green

780
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.000
tracers flying south. That's that sort of thing. White Horse

781
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.840
has a rep you know. The man who stabilized Hill

782
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.000
won sixty seven. It had been a colonel in the Japanese Army,

783
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.400
and white Horse has a reputation to maintain. They were

784
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.039
sent to Vietnam during the Vietnam War and stacked up

785
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.760
a lot of Communists in Vietnam. So you could always

786
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.639
tell the Korean soldiers who were in White Horse because

787
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.360
of their swagger, you know.

788
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.280
Yeah, Well, I'm sure you've got many stories to tell,

789
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.719
but just even the rough outline that you gave us

790
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.000
right now. And the fact of the matter is Neils

791
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.280
as you know, you know, we have men there in

792
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.760
DMZ service to this very moment, right.

793
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.760
That is Craig. My father fought in that war. My

794
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.159
father was in seventh Marines at the Chosen Reservoir and

795
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.280
it was so cold they couldn't dig fighting positions, so

796
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.280
they used the dead to make the parapets of their

797
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:03.639
fighting positions Chinese and American alike. And to be ambulatory

798
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.159
meant that you could actually walk. So my father was

799
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.360
wounded twice and still walked out of the Chosen Reservoir.

800
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.920
It got shot that sort of thing. He had permanent

801
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.639
damage to his extremities, frozen feet, He saw human wave

802
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.719
attacks of Chinese. And what the reason the United States

803
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.360
Hollywood cinema machine will never make a big sweeping epic

804
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:32.679
of the Chosen Reservoir Bill is because American forces had

805
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:38.360
to execute Chinese prisoners because they couldn't march them, they

806
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.480
couldn't treat their wounds, they couldn't let them go. If

807
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.039
they did, they just renewed the attack on the lines,

808
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.679
so they had to execute them. The command was given

809
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.239
by Colonel Litzenburg, take these men to tenth Corps and

810
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.159
be back in ten minutes. Well, tenth Corps was thirty

811
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.280
kilometers in the rear. You know what an order like

812
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.119
that means, And that was exactly you know, nobody likes that.

813
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.079
I served in the unit in Korea, the thirty first Infantry,

814
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.199
and my father dreaded even knowing I was in that outfit,

815
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.199
because at thirty first got wiped out fighting the delaying

816
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.599
action coming out of the Chosen Reservoir. Seventh Division was

817
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.440
at the eastern end of the Reservoir, First Marine Division

818
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.599
at the western end, and Task Force Faith commanded by

819
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.639
Don Carlos Faith. They got wiped out. He was awarded

820
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.599
the Medal of Honor posthumously. The North Koreans gave his

821
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.880
body back in twenty seventeen, I think or twenty fifteen.

822
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.559
The man was an American hero. He had four combat

823
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.519
jumps in World War Two. He was a thirty one

824
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.880
year old lieutenant colonel. He probably would have been Army

825
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.320
Chief of Staff or something like that. But when you

826
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:56.480
read his Medal of Honor citation, it's stark heroism. They

827
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:58.360
were outnumbered about thirty to one.

828
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:06.400
Wow. Oh when a story on that. Let's transition to

829
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.559
Los Angeles. We know Karen bass is going to get

830
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.840
another bite of the apple. People in LA that I

831
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:18.559
speak with are still shocked. They cannot comprehend Spencer Pratt

832
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:19.840
not being in the runoff.

833
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:20.039
Here.

834
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:27.159
Well, we know exactly what happened. It's the dead body vote,

835
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.119
it's the derelict vote, it's the bomb and junkie vote

836
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:37.000
on the communist NGOs harvest those ballots with people, you know,

837
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.719
you know, eight hundred people at one derelict shelter address.

838
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:45.719
Somehow their ballots all all get collected at the last minute,

839
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.360
and they flood them in at the last minute, so

840
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:53.000
there can't be any effective oversight or if you intervene

841
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.920
to try to oversee how the ballots are being tabulated,

842
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.880
if the legitimate illegitimate, the hard left is going to

843
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.519
scream that there's, you know, a coup taking place by

844
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.760
the hard right or something like that. If the Justice

845
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.920
Now I do believe Bill Saley is going to be

846
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.760
filing election charges, but he has to wait until the

847
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:19.400
election is certified. But Pratt isn't going to let go.

848
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:25.159
Pratt is going to continue ridiculing and exposing them that

849
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.079
sort of thing. We have to have changes in election

850
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:33.280
law in California. They've enabled a lot of criminality here,

851
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:38.800
and I think it's a violation of the Voting Rights

852
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.639
Act and the Civil Rights Act what they're engaged in.

853
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.159
Bill, you see to me the way I look at it,

854
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.639
I understand states are supposed to be the authority over

855
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:54.039
all this, but when it affects the entire nation, then

856
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.960
I think a federal issue comes into play, and the

857
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.000
Feds to this point have tried to keep their hand

858
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.159
of it and let the state continue to get away

859
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:09.559
with this kind of shenanigans. It's not even incompetence. This

860
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.519
is intentional on their part. Judicial Watch has been screaming

861
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.119
for years to get over three million names off the

862
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.559
voter rolls. These are people have voted in nate elections,

863
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.440
many of which are dead, but they just hold on

864
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.079
to those names because the ballots go out and the

865
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.800
ballot harvesters know what to do with those ballots. Right,

866
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.199
It's like having a blank check.

867
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.280
That's the whole purpose of these NGOs. The derelics, the whinos,

868
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:41.639
the junkies, the prostitutes, the whatever, are just inventory for them.

869
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.960
The whole purpose of homeless industrial complex here in La

870
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.079
Bill is the ballot harvest. There is no other put

871
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:55.400
well that and making middle class salaries for people with

872
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.559
garbage degrees from state funded clown factories. You know, these

873
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.199
university systems who turn out people with you know, larraza,

874
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:10.280
homo erotic studies of the proto pre Columbian period or whatever.

875
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.480
That's that's what we're getting. These people are employed by

876
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.239
the NGOs and the whole purpose of it is laundering

877
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:18.360
the money and harvesting the ballots.

878
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.159
Yeah, what they continue to do, I mean you know,

879
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.639
in general terms, people often say that, you know, Bass

880
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:30.440
and the councilwoman that she's now yeah, that she's going

881
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.440
to be running against that these are all Marxists. Well,

882
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.880
you know, but I think that people sometimes they lose

883
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.599
the definition and you not quite understand because if you

884
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.679
read the Communist Manifesto and see what the Marxists are doing,

885
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.519
they're following the Communist Manifesto, are they not?

886
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.079
They are. They're also following some more modern premiers like

887
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:56.880
soul O Lensky's rules for radicals. But Donald Trump follows

888
00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:01.119
some of that too, maybe accidentally. You know, Donald Trump

889
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.519
is an a Marxist, but he uses some of those

890
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:10.679
rules in order to defy expectations, to break norms, that

891
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.559
sort of thing. But on point, you are correct, these

892
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:20.280
are communists. They are following the Communist Manifesto and a

893
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.119
lot of other modern Jacobin theory. I mean, the term

894
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:28.760
in the French Revolution was Jacobins, right, they destroyed the

895
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:33.760
French middle class in a quest to destroy the French nobility.

896
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.719
They destroyed France to save France. Well they didn't save France, you.

897
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:42.159
Know, right, And all this Nils is I you know,

898
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.840
take it apart and start seeing, you know, how the

899
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.400
pieces are coming together. This has nothing to do with

900
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.719
our constitution. In fact, it's antithical to it totally. And

901
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.960
this is really, you know, putting the United States on

902
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:00.840
a trajectory to align itself with the World Economic Forum

903
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:02.239
in a one world government.

904
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.239
I agree with you. I think the opening battle really

905
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.079
was the Battle for Seattle. What was that nineteen ninety nine,

906
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:15.960
two thousand, the World Trade Organization protests and then wto

907
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.679
cave to them and started funding their NGOs and suddenly

908
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.159
they stopped showing up with the common turned a riot

909
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.239
at at wto events. You know, that was I think

910
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.559
the opening Salivo. And then you have the Red Green

911
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:34.079
alliance with the Reds lining up with the with the

912
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.079
Jihad being waged against the West. They you know, they're

913
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.360
in bed together for a violent overthrow. Ayatola Komeni was

914
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.639
sort of a meld of Vladimir Lenin and the thirteenth

915
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.159
m mom or whatever you want to call him. So, yeah,

916
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.400
we're we're at that point. I wanted to call your

917
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.320
attention to that announcement by the f beyond Us warning

918
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.760
of the five people arrested for the want to be

919
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.480
drone strike on the UFC event at the White House

920
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.719
over the weekend. Based on what has been released from

921
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:17.400
the signal chat about fighting oligarchy and capitalism, we can

922
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.639
only presume we have more Jacob and Marxist here right now.

923
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.440
Well, and why not. You know the result of the

924
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.639
open borders that we tolerated for four years, and you

925
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.559
know in what the Biden administration promoted. I mean it was,

926
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.719
you know, like wave the red cape in front of

927
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.000
them and let the bulls enter.

928
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:39.280
Right.

929
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:46.639
I think that's correct. That's a perfectly, perfectly, perfectly stated

930
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:47.840
thing that you've got.

931
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.719
Well, we got to leave it there is always appreciate

932
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.920
the time. Nils Grevillius, the crime expert, author and US

933
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.840
Army vet right here on Bill Martinez's life. Thank you, Nils.

934
00:55:58.880 --> 00:55:59.920
Take care be well, my friend.

935
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Getting America back on track.

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Bill Martinez Live.

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Hey, good morning, Welcome six minutes after the top of

957
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the hour, Bill Martinez here with the Middle East expert himself,

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Doctor Michael Rubin joins us. Now, Hey, Michael, always good

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to have you with us.

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How are you, sir?

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Thank you, Bill, It's always great to keep talking with you.

962
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Well.

963
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:33.679
Yet, what a what a mixed bag? The last couple

964
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:38.320
of weeks have given us, you know, some wins, you

965
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.599
might even say, some losses for President Trump. But at

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00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.920
least as he comes back home, he finds out the

967
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New York Knicks are going to visit the White House.

968
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.719
Maybe that's a box lift, right.

969
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.760
As a Philadelphian, and I'm not so sure it's a

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00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:52.519
positive folks.

971
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See. Well, but at least we got, you know, I

972
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think this is maybe the first you know, NBA team

973
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I think chamans that a visit of the White House

974
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:01.960
in a long time.

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Especially Yeah, no, I mean, seriously, it's welcome because we

976
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need to stop taking the politics out of everyone. The

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President of the United States is the president of all Americans,

978
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regardless of whether we're Democrats or Republicans.

979
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Well, and of course we had that big event last

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weekend with the you know, with the what is it

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the I want to say NFC, but it's not. It's

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the w the cage fighting, the cage fighting. But I can't.

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I just can't even believe. I can't remember, you know,

984
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today for something like that. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, and

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all all went well, but then here we find about

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this incredible plot.

987
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Yeah.

988
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.320
Well, thank god our men and women in uniform are

989
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actually on top of things. Again, whether you're a Democrat

990
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.320
or Republican, we need to understand that we are going

991
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.320
to be targeted by our adversaries, who are ideological adversaries

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and don't distinguish between where how one votes at the ballot.

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Box exactly and here it is. I mean, kudus for

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the FBI and the great work that they did secret service.

995
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.880
I mean, Michael, this could have just been incredible. I mean,

996
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this could have been another Las Vegas event.

997
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You're you're absolutely right. At the same time, Bill, what

998
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.000
I'm afraid of is whether it's because of our own

999
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domestic political rhetoric, the polemics of opposition and so forth,

1000
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or whether it's seeming stumbles on the world stage have

1001
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led our adversaries to to basically smell blood in the

1002
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water and believe that they can become even more aggressive

1003
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in their desire to destroy the United States.

1004
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Just so I cleared up UFC Ultimate Fighting Champions. That's

1005
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I mean, that's the deal anyway. So that's that's out

1006
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there UFC, so we know for sure that that's what

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it was. And but you're exactly right going back, we're

1008
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being at because we are vulnerable and also we're still

1009
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:08.800
dealing with anywhere fifteen twenty million illegal immigrants taking advantage

1010
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.199
of the open borders. I don't know what the Democrats

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01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.320
were thinking to put America in you know, everyday citizens

1012
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:20.519
in such danger, and why anybody would think about voting

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for a Democrat until they get this resolved, It's beyond me,

1014
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because they have contributed so greatly to this insecurity that

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we're now dealing with.

1016
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Well, you know, I wish that the Democrats are those

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who want to embrace this concept of open borders. Would

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remember that in twenty twenty Sorry, in twenty twenty four,

1019
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many Latin people of Latin American descent had actually voted

1020
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for the Republicans because they differentiate between legal and illegal immigration.

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They differentiate between those who follow the procedures versus those

1022
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.159
who are essentially line jumpers. On top of which, even

1023
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in an international sense, the United Nations High Commission for

1024
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Refugees is going to be celebrating it's the seventy fifth

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anniversary of the Refugee Convention and they are embracing a

1026
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back to the future mentality, going back to the basics,

1027
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.519
where frankly, there aren't economic refugees. There are people who

1028
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are fleeing conflict. And when they flee conflict, they don't

1029
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get to choose where they end up. They simply remove

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themselves from from conflicts. So if you're Venezuelan and you're

1031
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fleeing conflict. You can go to Columbia, but you can't

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necessarily expect to get political asylum in the United States.

1033
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Right Well, And the thing is is and what opened

1034
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.480
that up, Michael, because you know that was the consideration,

1035
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.000
and you'd hear that in the rhetoric, you know, even

1036
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.159
in the recent years, that they should go to a

1037
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neighboring countries because it only makes sense that they would

1038
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.039
do that because the name they bring. Countries know the

1039
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immediate danger, they know the danger it's happening in the neighborhood.

1040
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They're more accustomed to the culture, and maybe having them

1041
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assimilate and fit in a little bit easier than traveling

1042
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.239
thousands of miles and coming into the United States of America.

1043
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.599
You know, we're actually again seeing this elsewhere in the world.

1044
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:19.880
Bill.

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01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:24.480
The government of Thailand has now given Burmese work permits

1046
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:31.400
because they realize that having a refugee population which isn't

1047
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.800
simply taking but is contributing, can be a good thing

1048
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.880
on their border. Likewise, Poland is dealing with the fact

1049
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:41.679
that they don't want the Ukrainians to go home because

1050
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.880
they estimate the Ukrainians have added three percent of their

1051
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:51.159
gross domestic product. But if you encourage refugees simply to

1052
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.719
go to the places with the biggest social safety nets,

1053
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:58.760
then ultimately you don't have that benefit. And so this

1054
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.239
is the problem. The refugees should stay where they're out

1055
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:06.119
of danger. They can contribute to the economies there, but

1056
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.400
they shouldn't simply be able to put their hand up

1057
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.679
and say, I want to go to the place that's

1058
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going to give me the most money and I don't have.

1059
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To work, right exactly. Speaking of Ukraine, you just got

1060
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.079
back from Ukraine. Give us an update.

1061
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:17.840
You know.

1062
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:22.079
I was in eastern Ukraine in places like Karkiv and

1063
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:26.360
di Nipro and Zaporiza, and what I saw was amazing

1064
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:28.639
the resilience of the Ukrainian people.

1065
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:29.280
Bill.

1066
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:33.280
I went to a school that was established by the

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01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:37.239
United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in an underground nuclear

1068
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:41.119
bunker in Karkiv to see the kids so that they

1069
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:44.159
could continue the school year, not be on zoom like

1070
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.800
we were during COVID. Also, when I was traveling around

1071
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.840
the country, they have you download an app, and the

1072
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.599
story of that app is really interesting. The app will

1073
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:56.960
tell you when there is an air raid alert. You

1074
01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:58.360
basically put.

1075
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.239
In, how much like Israel? Right, Israel has the app

1076
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:01.880
same app.

1077
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:05.719
Right, basically it's much like Israel. But what basically happens

1078
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.280
or what the background to this is? When the war started,

1079
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:14.039
Ukrainian tech guys dropped everything, walked into the Ministry of

1080
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.320
Defense and said, we're gonna need this. We can give

1081
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.639
this to you, and within a week it was up

1082
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.159
and running. If only we had such agility within our

1083
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.840
own pentagon and our defense procurement for what's needed, we

1084
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:29.400
could really take a lesson from Ukraine. But the other

1085
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:34.320
thing I walked away from was that NATO needs Ukraine

1086
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.320
more than Ukraine needs NATO. Because of all the countries

1087
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:41.760
in Europe, I think the Ukrainians, maybe the Poles are

1088
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:44.239
the only ones who can still fight. The French and

1089
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:47.519
the Germans can debate and talk about international law, but

1090
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:49.599
I'm not sure how much they actually contribute.

1091
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.960
Well, and that's a great point. What about the food supply?

1092
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.800
How is that? I mean, we know from day one

1093
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.360
it's been affected and here they are the bread basket

1094
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.719
of Europe. How how are they managing that? Michael?

1095
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.280
Well, you know, the Ukrainians are both proud of their

1096
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:11.559
food supply as well as being proud of their cuisine

1097
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:15.920
as well. That said, the issue with Ukraine isn't its

1098
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.760
ability to produce the food. It's the ability to export

1099
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.880
the food, which the Russians and so forth are trying

1100
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.280
to prevent them. That said, of course, when you have

1101
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.760
so many men at the front, and for that matter, women,

1102
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.840
it impacts labor and so forth, so there's an issue.

1103
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:38.760
But you know, I was recently in Ethiopia. People were

1104
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:43.800
much more worried there about the impact of the Iran war,

1105
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.760
the lack of fuel and the ability to get food

1106
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.440
from the countryside into the cities. I didn't get that

1107
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:50.320
sense in Ukraine.

1108
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.920
So the big takeaway for you from Ukraine, I mean,

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01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.519
and their resilience is unbelievable that they'd like.

1110
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.039
I came away thinking number one, that they are much

1111
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:05.480
more able to win this war than I believed before

1112
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.920
I went. Number two, you know, Bill, we've talked before.

1113
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.920
I'm very much critical of the United Nations. I was

1114
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.800
amazed by what the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

1115
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was doing there because basically it was keeping Ukrainians in

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the country. So that if they've managed to stabilize the situation,

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and within five minutes of a missile strike, they will

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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Rubin, the

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director of Polsea and Analysis at the Middle East Forum. Michael,

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just to put a wrap around Ukraine and your recent

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visit there. What we're hearing is that both sides are tired.

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They're kind of looking for an exit and maybe hoping

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that Donald Trump can help negotiate a settlement here between

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Putin and Ukraine. What do you think.

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Well, first of all, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has offered

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direct talks with Vladimir Putin. Unfortunately, not too many people

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believe that this could actually come to fruition. The other

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problem is, and let's face it, Bill, it's the elephant

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in the room. After seeing how Donald Trump negotiated with

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the Iranians, I'm not sure anyone wants Donald Trump to

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be mediators for their own conflict. How Donald Trump, back

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on January third, twenty twenty, had tweeted that Iran had

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never won a war, but never lost in negotiation, and

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unfortunately that seems to be the case. And just pushing

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this a little bit more forward, I saw in Persian

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language today in nor News, which is an Iranian outlet

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close to the Supreme National Security Council, that Mohammed Baker Kalaboff,

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negotiator and the speaker of the Parliament, had said that

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Iran had won in negotiations far above what it could

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have won militarily and far above its own expectations. For

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the Ukrainians to believe that Trump will negotiate on their

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behalf rather than simply try to get a short term calm.

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They're not going to accept.

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That, right, Yeah, they want something long lasting. You know,

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throughout this whole negotiation. Speaking of Iran, you know, I've

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looked at it. In fact, I said, you know right

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off the bat, this was the memorandum of misunderstanding, because

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there's just so many narratives coming out of there. What

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can you believe in? And we know the leadership of Iran,

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you know they've lied, they cheat. I mean that, like anything,

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like any negotiation or any agreement, it's only as good

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as the people who are participating in it. And I

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don't have a lot of you know, trust and confidence

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in the leadership of Iran.

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Well you know what, Bill, I happen to agree with you.

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And when I look at the agreement, I think some

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of the Trump administration spokespeople do protest too much because

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when they're complaining that this is so much different than

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joint conferences, the plan of action, you can see that's

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where their nerve is. And the fact of the matter is,

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when you look at it in terms of sunset clauses,

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in terms of the continuation of the nuclear program, in

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terms of not addressing missiles or proxies. It's more or

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less the same thing. But what worries me are two things.

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First of all, Donald Trump's promise to lift the sanctions.

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As my colleague at the American Enterprise Institute has shown,

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I mean, this is an illegal promise. I mean Donald

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Trump doesn't understand the legalities behind sanctions, or the fact

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that he doesn't have the ability simply to waive them

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in some cases. The point number two, and I've written

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about this for the National Security Journal, is I'm worried

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about the poison pill, which I see in this dot.

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When Iran came to Donald Trump and said, we want

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you to include a ceasefire so that Israel stops attacking

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has Belah, the proper response for Donald Trump should have been,

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if you have a problem with Israel, Iran, you can

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negotiate directly with Israel. Unfortunately they haven't. Now in this case,

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you've got a situation where Israel, if there's not a ceasefire,

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if Israel attacks has Below, then the Iranians can walk

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away from the agreement with their twenty four billion dollars,

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perhaps with their three hundred billion dollar fund and blame

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the United States. Now, the fact of the matter is

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from Israel's perspective, this allows Iran to rearm has Belah

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and to engage in that prinksmanship. Now, you know, I'm

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a historian, Bill, and so let me put on my

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01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:56.000
historical nerd cap. We saw a similar dynamic in nineteen

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01:15:56.119 --> 01:16:02.039
ninety four with South Korea when Bill Clinton was negotiating

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01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:06.239
for the Agreed Framework with North Korea. The president of

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South Korea at the time, I think it was Kim

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01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:12.479
Sung yang had was so frustrated that the Americans were

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cutting them out of negotiations and engaging the North Koreans

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01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.239
with such wishful thinking. He wrote an op ed in

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the New York Times blasting the Agreed Framework. And Bill

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Clinton trained all of his animosity on the South Korea,

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the democratically elected South Korean president, rather than on the

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North Korean dictatorship. And I'm afraid the similar dynamic is

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developing with regard to Israel, where we're punishing our allies

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in order to rescue a terror entity.

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So what happens, which happens already, is that you know,

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01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.319
Hesbula fires missiles into Israel. Like Israel isn't a sovereign

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nation or not to protect themselves.

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Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And remember in this current conflict,

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of course, Hamas attacked Israel during a ceasefire. A lot

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of people forget that on October seventh, twenty twenty three,

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it was the greatest massacre, single day massacre of Jews

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since the Holocaust. But on October eighth, twenty twenty three,

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Hesbelah unilaterally decided to join into the fight and tens

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of thousands of Israelis haven't been able to return to

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their homes in northern Israel. Make no mistake, Israel is

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01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:31.399
the victim here. Now, if Donald Trump really wanted to

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cement his legacy, there's a reason why the Israelis and

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the Lebanese have advanced their diplomatic process to the greatest

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extent in more than forty years, and that's because they

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faced a common enemy in Hesbelah. Hezbela is a terror

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threat to Israel and it's a threat to Lebanon's sovereignty. Unfortunately,

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01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.520
Hesbela wants to be the spoiler, and in his desire

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for a quick deal and assigning ceremony that Donald Trump

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01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:05.720
has really thrown the elected government of Lebanon under the

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bus and undercut any possibility that they could actually have

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a diplomatic breakthrough with Israel.

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What kind of impact is this going to have, Michael

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on the rest of the Arab nations that are you know,

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looking at, you know, enjoining with the Abrahamic Accords. I mean,

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we had this potential all coming about, but it has

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to be I mean, they've got to feel good about it.

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01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:34.960
And right now I see that this is put in

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jeopardy as well. Am I missing something?

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01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:42.319
No, You're absolutely not missing anything. Again, Look, I'm sitting

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01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:44.520
here in Washington, d C. And obviously I'm not part

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01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.680
of the Trump administration. But what I think Trump should

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01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:54.319
have done to really solidify our alliances and our reputation

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01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:58.640
among other countries in the region. This frozen Iranian money,

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01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:03.039
which is in banks throughout the region. Instead of saying

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we're going to unfreeze it and give it to Iran,

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what we should have said is we're going to unfreeze

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01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:11.199
it and give it to Kuwait to rebuild their international

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01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:14.039
airport that was struck by Iranian missiles. We're gonna give

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01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:17.640
it to Abu Dhabi and to divide to rebuild their hotels,

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01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:20.600
and their airports. We're gonna give it to any country

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01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:25.359
which was struck by Iranian missiles and drones as reparations

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01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:30.359
paid for with Iranian money. That would really show leadership, exactly,

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01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.319
show that we will care about our allies rather than

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01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:36.840
throw them under the bus at the first opportunity.

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01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:40.680
I mean, what a missed opportunity speaking a witch right,

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01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:42.560
I mean, well, how did they miss that?

1341
01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:48.199
I don't fully understand. But when push comes to shove,

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01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.680
Donald Trump is the commander and the chief, elections matter,

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01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:57.640
and he perhaps was listening a little bit too much

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01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:01.720
to some of the Pakistani mediators rather than some of

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01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.840
his own advisors, which again is why we see some

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01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:09.119
tension reportedly within the Trump administration by those who are

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01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:11.840
in favor of the deal and those who really wish

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01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.680
that their concerns were transformed. But let me put it

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01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:17.800
this way. Bill, You know, I'm a constitutionalist. I tend

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to lean more towards the libertarian side except when it

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01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:24.479
comes to defense. But another thing we have in common

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01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.760
now with President Obama and the Joint Conference a plan

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01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:32.520
of action, was a desire to bypass the constitutional prerogative

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01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.239
to go to the US Senate for anything that amounts

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to a treaty. And whenever we don't we've learned this

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01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.840
lesson now twice. Without having the Senate chime in on

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01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.600
this and vote on this, what we end up with

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01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.159
are very bad deals that put all Americans in peril.

1359
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:51.880
Well, what we're hearing out of DC and the belt Whll,

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01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.720
you're right there is it's a hornets nest right now.

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To your point, yeah, it absolutely is a hornet's nest,

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and unfortunately deservedly so. But you've also heard my hornet's

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01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.039
analogy before in a different context that when you have

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01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:08.640
a hornet's nest, you have two good options. One is

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01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.840
to get rid of it. Another good option would be

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01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:16.119
to leave it alone. But the worst possible option is

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01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.119
to sit underneath it lightly tapping it with a stick,

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01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.760
to go halfway. And unfortunately, that seems to be what

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01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:23.199
we've done.

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Are we back to war?

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I think we are eventually going to go back to war. Look,

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from Israel's perspective, Iran poses an existential threat, Iranian missiles,

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01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:39.039
Iran's nuclear program, and so forth, And the nature of

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01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.920
an existential threat, whether you like Israel or you dislike Israel,

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01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:49.000
is that they're not going to defer to diplomatic amelioration. Yes,

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01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:52.399
they feel that their existence is at stake. Remember the

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01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:57.159
Israeli Navy drives more German submarines than the German Navy does.

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01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:00.359
Going back to how weak NATO has become, and if

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01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:03.399
Israel feels it needs to attack directly, I have no

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01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:04.079
doubt they will.

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Yeah, Doctor Michael Rubin, the director of polse Analysis at

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01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:09.760
the Middle East Forum. Doctor Rubin, thank you so much,

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appreciate it, Michael, take care, be well, Thank you Bill.

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Hey, welcome back, Good morning to you. Bill Martinez here

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01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:51.199
along with Jeff comt U ministry leader and author and

1448
01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:53.399
former nfl QB. Hey, Jeff, how are we doing.

1449
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:54.399
I'm great? How are you?

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01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:55.039
Bill? Hey?

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01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:57.600
I'm doing terrific. You know, Father's Day came and went,

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01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:02.159
but hopefully it hasn't all been gone because I think

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01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:07.239
we're beginning to appreciate some of these foundational principles and values.

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01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:10.319
And this is something good about even having a day

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01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:13.159
set aside for Father's Day, is that we need to

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01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.560
remember the importance of fathers. Forget about what the culture

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01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.960
is saying, and what you know, how we've been conditioned

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01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:22.720
here in the recent decades about the insignificance of fathers,

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01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:26.439
but look at all the research and you know, sociologists

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01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.319
and everything are pointing out that fathers are essential.

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Yeah.

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Well, when I left football, I went into nonprofit work

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01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:38.319
and probably the first thing I was working on was

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01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:44.199
the absence of fatherhood, the deficit. And it's not just

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01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.680
that many young men and women children don't have a

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01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.000
dad in the home due to non marriage and due

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01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:53.840
to divorce, and sometimes due to careerism and putting other

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01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:59.880
things ahead of children. So we were addressing fatherhood, and

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01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.680
the research was coming out back in the you know,

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01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:07.880
late nineties all through the early two thousands, absolutely Crystal

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01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:16.479
Claire that kids, families, communities, moms, women all do better

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01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:20.960
when dads are there and engaged. And yet the cultural

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01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.079
messages were still kind of dismissive and joking, and there

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01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.720
was an awful lot of liberty for men to stay

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01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:31.520
immature and play their video games, do their sexual stuff

1476
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:36.920
with pornography, do the hooked up culture, delay marriage because

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01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:39.640
you don't have to get married to have a sexual relationship,

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01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.199
And it kept men immature, right and the culture is

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01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.880
almost encouraging that and kind of talking down the traditional

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01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:55.039
responsible male role model, while it was you know, pumping

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01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:57.560
up that women can do great things and should do

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01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.439
great things and should become leaders. And you and I

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01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:03.960
have both said yay, opportunities for all is appropriate. But

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01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.119
you don't need to knock down men. You don't need

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01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:10.319
to not at the expense of yeah, yeah, that's that's ridiculous.

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Uh.

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But anyway, now I think there's more of a active

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01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.439
involvement by dads in the lives of their kids, if

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01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:21.720
they're the dads that are still there right right, still

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01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.560
missing dads and absent dads. We have far too high

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01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.239
out of the wedlock birth right, et cetera. And and

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01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.880
and even divorce is pretty high, and there's hard to

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01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:34.319
stay connected after divorce. Although now there's some good ministries

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01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:38.960
for blended families and for you know, those families that

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01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.479
have gone through disruption. But fathering isn't you know, it's

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01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:46.039
not a it's not a you don't take it for granted.

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01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:49.680
It's intentional. You got to factly right right right. And

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01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:52.039
and the other thing too, Jeff, that I've observed is

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01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:55.079
a lot of things that you're pointing out, have worked

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01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:59.279
against young men. It's given them the wrong message. It

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01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:02.520
gave them things is to distract them from the most

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01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.640
important things, the most incredibly you know, critical things of

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01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:09.199
you know, having family and uh, you know, and having

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01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:13.279
a wife and having a successful marriage and uh, you know,

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01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.279
and working hard and having fun, you know, not just

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01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:19.079
working hard to work hard, but having fun and uh.

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01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:22.720
You know what's happened is the women have responded. But

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01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.359
but they're out there on an island under themselves, because

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01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.479
you know, we need relationship. Women need men, men need women.

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01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:31.840
You know, like it or not, you know, but I

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01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:32.279
like it.

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01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:35.079
And the kids need kids need moms, and kids need

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01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:39.439
dads exactly. Moms and dads work together and they play

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01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:43.880
unique and complimentary roles. I just sent out that text

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01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:45.720
that I sent to you and to a number of

1516
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.520
other men that are in my life that I encourage.

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01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.560
One of them was my dad's roommate and teammate with

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01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:55.760
the Buffalo Bills ex Notre Dame all American, Eddie Rakowski

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01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:57.960
up in Buffalo. He's kind of like my dad who's

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01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.840
left on earth right now since my day off in heaven.

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01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:04.600
And Eddie wrote back to me thanking me for my

1522
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:09.199
text on Father's Day in which I referenced the good Shepherd,

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01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:12.079
and he said, well, I've always tried to follow the

1524
01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:15.039
example of your dad as he followed the example of

1525
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:17.479
the good Shepherd, because my dad was always talking about

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01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.079
the good Shepherd would leave the ninety nine to go

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01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:23.479
after the one, the one. If you look at the

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01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:28.359
way Jesus shepherded people, he was truthful, but he was

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01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:32.520
tender and pursued, and he cared, and he took care

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01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.000
of his disciples, and he trained them. He came to

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01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:37.039
them walking on the water when they were in trouble,

1532
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:39.880
you know, and he fed the people, and he said,

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01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.039
let the children come to me, and let the woman

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01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:47.239
with a bleeding ulcer come to me. Jesus was a

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01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:51.039
great example of fathering because he was a great shepherd.

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01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:55.319
And that's a good reminder to us dads today. You're

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01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.600
supposed to train, you're supposed to coach, you're supposed to teach,

1538
01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.920
try to get your kid into a good college if appropriate.

1539
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:03.479
But do it with humility and love, right, do it

1540
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:08.359
with gentleness as a shepherd would. Okay, because you understand it.

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01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:13.239
People aren't fully formed until we love them. And if

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01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.960
they know we love them and they feel unconditionally loved,

1543
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:20.439
not for their performance, then they're secure. And when they're secure,

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01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:22.640
they can form their own good relationships. They can take

1545
01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:25.279
a risk, they can go off to college, they can

1546
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.479
say no to sex before marriage. They can say no

1547
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:33.560
to someone who is wanting to be derogatory and negative

1548
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:36.520
towards another person or a group of people. You give

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01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:41.399
them courage when you're affirming in gentle and fatherly with them.

1550
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.399
So good Shepherd is a great example all year long

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01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:46.199
for you and for me and for every day.

1552
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:46.479
Right.

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01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:50.239
Yeah, I love what you said. You know, to be

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01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:52.840
fully formed? What does it take, you know, to be

1555
01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:56.199
fully loved? You know, God fully loves us, right, And

1556
01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.039
this is all part of the process. And here on

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01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:01.439
earth it's up to mom and dads. This is why

1558
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:05.560
we honor them to you know, participate in that forming

1559
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.720
process so that you are, you know, forming a child

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01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:13.239
who can go out and be a responsible husband, to

1561
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:17.560
be a responsible father. But you know, and I've heard

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01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:19.520
this come up time and time again, whereas you know,

1563
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:22.880
people said, I just I wasn't fully formed, and I

1564
01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:24.840
thought it was interesting, And then you said that this

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01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:28.239
morning and I'm thinking, you know, there's you know, yes,

1566
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:31.079
that makes a lot of sense. Is that sometimes we

1567
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:35.319
release our children into the world and they're they're unprepared.

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01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.760
Jeff, Yeah, Well, some of that relates to the modern era,

1569
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:43.039
which has made the identity become very thin. I that

1570
01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:47.680
has become your image, right brand? What grades you got,

1571
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:52.640
are you popular? How much money do you have, what

1572
01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.199
kind of cardio drive, How skinny is your body, how

1573
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:57.560
strong is your body. It's all the image stuff. You know,

1574
01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:00.840
how many people are following you on Insta X or

1575
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:06.399
whatever it is. That is not identity, That is impression.

1576
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:12.079
Identity is relationally formed. And that's when what you're talking about, Bill,

1577
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.199
when you said fully formed means you have figured out

1578
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.800
relationally who you are. You're a creation of Almighty God.

1579
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.960
You're a son or a daughter of your mom and dad.

1580
01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:28.439
You're related to your family. And at the end of

1581
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:30.880
the day, the identity that really cures us when we

1582
01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:33.479
find out God's love through Jesus and we receive him.

1583
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.760
We are an adopted son or an adopted daughter who

1584
01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:40.640
is unconditionally loved and doesn't need to earn that love,

1585
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.600
he needs to receive it. Well, the psychologist would talk

1586
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:47.640
about the really well formed person who's healthy in their

1587
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:52.239
life and can handle disappointment and handle success and try

1588
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.880
things and risk things and build good relationships and form

1589
01:33:54.880 --> 01:34:00.760
a solid marriage. That person has secure attachment to their

1590
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.840
parents and in you're in my case, secure attachment to God,

1591
01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:07.279
their ultimate father.

1592
01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:07.960
Right.

1593
01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:09.960
So that's the job of a dad and a mom

1594
01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:13.479
is securely attached to your child and let them know

1595
01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:16.039
I love you no matter what. When they go through

1596
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:18.439
tough emotional things, you're there to process it with them.

1597
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:23.199
When you mess up, you apologize, okay, And then if

1598
01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.239
they go through any really difficult things, you help them

1599
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.039
process it quickly, showing them compassion and empathy because two

1600
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:34.319
nervous systems helps us handle the things that make us

1601
01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:38.039
overload in normal life. And then letting your kid know

1602
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.000
I like you just.

1603
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:41.600
As you are.

1604
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.520
I enjoy you just as you are. Would I love

1605
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:47.119
to see you not drink as much as you are?

1606
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:47.520
Yes?

1607
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:49.479
Would I love to see you not getting any more

1608
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:53.159
drunk driving situations? What I'd love to see you have

1609
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:57.039
a different boyfriend that treats you better. Yes, But I

1610
01:34:57.079 --> 01:34:59.119
am not going to judge you or love you less

1611
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:01.520
because of it. And especially as they get older, Bill,

1612
01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.039
we can't control that stuff, so we just know for

1613
01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:05.640
them and love them.

1614
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:08.920
Right exactly. Yeah, it goes back to what you were saying, Jeff,

1615
01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:11.920
and that uh, you know, and that is the opportunity

1616
01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:13.840
that we have is to understand who we are and

1617
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.520
whose we are, you know, and and foundationally, if you

1618
01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:21.239
realize that that who you are is God, that you

1619
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.279
belong to God, that he created you with everything that

1620
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:28.319
you needed to be successful, and if you have that assurance,

1621
01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:30.720
you know, it's kind of like, uh, you know, Mark Twain.

1622
01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:33.159
I love what he said, the two most important days

1623
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.560
of our life is number one when we born we

1624
01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:38.399
were born, and number two when we find out why why.

1625
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:41.680
I just think that is just such so powerful because

1626
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:43.560
I think a lot of kids, you know, because they

1627
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:47.760
get distracted by amusement, which means in amusement. If you

1628
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:51.800
study the word itself, it means without without consciousness. You know,

1629
01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:56.399
you're just you're disconnected from your brain. And there's so

1630
01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:01.680
many things that disconnect you from reality and they're a

1631
01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:05.520
waste of time. And when you realize how precious time

1632
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.119
is and that it's all about investing in those things

1633
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.840
that are good and noble and right and uh and

1634
01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:16.720
valuable and things that you can share righteous and good. Uh.

1635
01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:19.159
You know, then you start looking for others who have

1636
01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:22.560
that same mindset and man, then at that point you

1637
01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:25.119
got you've got a powerful force going on, right and

1638
01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:28.479
especially if you're lucky enough to find a woman, which

1639
01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:31.800
God says it's a good thing, you know, to marry.

1640
01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:34.520
You know, then hey, you're rocking and rolling, right.

1641
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.600
I just have a sense of closing this time up

1642
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:42.439
and what we're talking about will with this instead of amusement,

1643
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:48.520
which is scrolling. Basically today, scrolling is not taking us anywhere.

1644
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:54.840
Let's find our purpose by receiving, receive God's love, Receive

1645
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:59.680
what Jesus did for you, Receive that unconditional acceptance, Receive

1646
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:03.359
his purpose for your life, which is why that Mark

1647
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:06.880
Twain was talking about. And his purpose is to relate

1648
01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:10.000
to him, to enjoy him, to give him glory, and

1649
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:12.279
to do anything you do well so that he gets glory,

1650
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.359
which means you'll treat people great and form good relationships

1651
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:18.159
even if they don't treat you well. So let's replace

1652
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:22.760
scrolling with receiving God's love and his identity and purpose

1653
01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:24.479
for us. That's what I wrote the book Received for

1654
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:28.079
to receive God's Love. That's the way Jesus lived.

1655
01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:30.960
Right well, Jeff, As we wrap things up, remind everybody

1656
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:32.399
where they can go to be in touch with you.

1657
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:36.479
They can find that book Receive the Way Jesus at

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01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:40.680
jeffkempteam dot com jeffkempteam dot com.

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Welcome morning, Welcome back. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here and Tim the gagline is back with

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It's been a minute since.

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We talked to him.

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I talked about his previous book, American Restoration Out Faith,

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family and personal sacrifice can heal our nation. And that's

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still the case, although he's got a new book and

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that is what really matters, restoring the legacy of faith,

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freedom and family. Tim, welcome back. Good to have you

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with us.

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It is great to be with you, Bill Well.

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For three decades, as we know, you've served in the

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highest echelons of our government and Christian ministries, and from

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those positions you've obtained a not only a unique but

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a very practical perspective on numerous issues. And you know,

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I haven't had a chance to read your book yet,

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but I'm sure that's included.

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It is very much and what really matters.

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And the reason Bill that I chose that title is that,

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living and working here in Washington for nearly forty years,

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it seems to me and maybe to you, that the

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political class seems to find time to speak about everything

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borders and wars and taxes, but when it comes to

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what really matters, too often the political class is silent.

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That's why what wrote what really matters, Because here we

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are in our two hundred and fiftieth year, and if

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we want to have the country for another fifty years,

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we've got to focus like a laser.

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Beam on what really matters.

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Marriage, family, parenting, human life, religious liberty, conscience rights, parental rights.

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These are perennially and timelessly the issues in public policy.

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In the public square that matter most.

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Tim These are foundational issues. We've been saying on the

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show for a number of years. You know, you've got

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to go back to the beginning. What was it? What

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was the foundation that was established that allowed America two

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hundred and fifty years again, And not to make any excuses,

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but let's be real here. It all hasn't been perfect.

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But that was the goal of our founding fathers, that

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we would strive to that more perfect union. But it

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seems the further that we get away from these foundational

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principles that you're referring to the most, the more difficult

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it becomes. It's almost impossible, because you've got to you've

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got to look at the structure and see what's going

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on with the foundation, what's happening with the integrity of

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the foundation? Right?

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I could not agree more.

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And Bill that so well said, you know, two hundred

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and fifty years ago, the Spanish they don't know when

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they were born. The Italians don't know when they were born.

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The British don't know when they were born. We know

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when we were born. July fourth, seventeen seventy six, about

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three o'clock in the afternoon. And one of the things

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that was unstated in the period of our founding in

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the Declaration of Independence was what I think of is

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kind of the unwritten constitution. The unwritten Constitution was the

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assumption of strong churches, parishes and congregations, strong marriages, families,

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strong foundations about things that matter most. It's not just

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that they took everything for granted, I'm not suggesting that,

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but our founding fathers and mothers absolute new and by

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the way, we know today that it is the family

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that is the center of the project.

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The country was built on faith.

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If you want to have freedom over long periods of time,

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you've got to cultivate virtue. Virtue in the American experience

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moral excellence, it comes from matters of the spirit, and

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the family and the church are beyond foundational. What's helped

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creates a great country like the United States of America.

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Well, Tim, just like when George Whitfield came to the

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colonies and he preached a message of repentance, and he

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had to show them what God and who God Almighty

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is all about. And just as you've stated, you know

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01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:51.600
restoring the legacy of faith, freedom, and family. These are

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01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.920
critical values that are endemic to Almighty God. And when

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01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:57.840
he held that up to people, he said, look at

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01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:02.119
we're not meeting the criteria here. We're failing, and we

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01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:04.840
need to repent in order to align ourselves with the

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01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:09.319
Holy God who is giving us this incredible opportunity to

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01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.479
enjoy something that nobody else on the planet here tofore

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01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:13.119
is enjoyed.

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Don't you think it's interesting that the political class around

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01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:20.800
whom I've lived in work nearly forty years as a

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01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:24.000
Christian and as a conservative here in Washington, d C.

1816
01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:26.359
Isn't it interesting that.

1817
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:30.479
The political class always and always is a word you

1818
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:34.319
have to use sparingly, but the political class always is

1819
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:38.239
promising the way forward for the United States of America.

1820
01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:43.239
But the thing that I think is so confusing to

1821
01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:48.640
millions of Americans is that we know at foundation that

1822
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.760
the things that really matter, the things that are the

1823
01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:55.800
narrative of this book, are the things, as you say, Bill,

1824
01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:59.199
that were the promissory note at the founding, And they

1825
01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:03.239
are just as relevant, just as timely, just as topical,

1826
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:07.000
just as matchless as they are in twenty twenty six,

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01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:10.159
as they were in seventeen seventy six. You've got to

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01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:14.720
restore the foundations, and we have a monumental work of

1829
01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:19.039
reclamation and revival ahead of us. That's why what really

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01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:23.079
matters is the thing that people of all political stripes

1831
01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:28.079
or no political stripes should should ultimately conclude, are the

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foundations that give us the greatness of the United States

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01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:32.800
of America.

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You know, some of the key principles that are ignored

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01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.039
by the political class, and probably the biggest one is

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01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:40.239
that we're a government of four by way the people.

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01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:43.880
In my observation, Tim, there's been kind of a flip

1838
01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:46.840
flop here. What should happen, as you know, being in

1839
01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:51.600
Washington and around policy and everything, is that politics should

1840
01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:56.319
be downstream culture. And what's happened And I'm not sure

1841
01:47:56.359 --> 01:47:59.560
when Tim, maybe you know and you can enlighten us on,

1842
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:04.760
but something flipped the switch here to where it would

1843
01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:09.760
happen is that culture became downstream of politics. I can

1844
01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:11.920
tell you the fruit of that. We have a lot

1845
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:16.720
of angry people. We have a disunited United States right now,

1846
01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:21.039
and it's because we're now we're dealing in the realm

1847
01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:25.239
of theory and popular opinion. As opposed to those factual

1848
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:28.920
points that were established early on in our constitution. Is

1849
01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:29.359
that fair?

1850
01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.479
Yeah, it is fair, And I'd like to pick up

1851
01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:35.159
on that if I may, with precision Bill, because politics

1852
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:40.239
is downstream from culture. But culture and politics are downstream

1853
01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:44.680
from things of the spirit. They're downstream from faith and

1854
01:48:44.920 --> 01:48:49.720
the rightly ordered liberty. The greatness of our country is

1855
01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:53.560
the things of the spirit first, then culture, then politics.

1856
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:55.560
Politics is a branch of ethics.

1857
01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:59.960
And it's very interesting to me that George Orwell famously said,

1858
01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:01.840
and I think he was right, that you can think

1859
01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:05.399
that you can ignore politics until you can't. And it's

1860
01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:08.479
not that we have to be preoccupied by politics, but

1861
01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:13.520
the public square is the place where Christians have needed

1862
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.720
to engage, and I think need to engage more than ever.

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01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:18.560
I think it's manifestly clear.

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01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:21.680
Yeah, because I think what you're pointing to here is

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01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:25.000
politics is still, you know, a bit of a process.

1866
01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:28.840
It doesn't come up with factual I mean this is,

1867
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:32.239
you know, some positive things about politics is that we

1868
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.199
can engage the culture, we can have a discussion and

1869
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:39.880
reason together, and when we're able to have diverse viewpoints,

1870
01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:43.399
that are hoping and I guess aiming for the same goal,

1871
01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:46.920
which is a more perfect union, then I think we

1872
01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:49.399
can accomplish a lot more as opposed to You know,

1873
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:51.439
I'm just gonna hate you because you happen to be

1874
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:53.439
a Democrat or a Republican. Right.

1875
01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:57.000
Oh yes, I remember my late great friend Bill Buckley

1876
01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:01.000
famous in saying that liberals, all we say that they

1877
01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:04.079
welcome all the opinions until they learn that there are

1878
01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:05.079
other opinions.

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01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:08.520
And I may say the.

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Strength of this book, what really matters is the following,

1881
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:15.039
and it is I think easily said, which is that

1882
01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.720
everyone is entitled to his own opinions, no doubt about that,

1883
01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:22.960
but not everyone is entitled to his own facts. You know,

1884
01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:27.079
I love one of our great founders, John Adams, very

1885
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:32.119
famous observations that facts, he said, Bill, facts are stubborn things.

1886
01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:37.279
And that's why this book is organized over chapters like

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01:50:37.399 --> 01:50:43.279
Restoring marriage, Restoring family, restoring faith, restoring the American male,

1888
01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:47.760
Restoring what we consider to be the good life, restoring

1889
01:50:47.800 --> 01:50:52.319
the importance of knowing American history. I mean, these are

1890
01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:55.359
the kind of things I think, and we focus on

1891
01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:58.159
the family. Believe in our two hundred and fiftieth year

1892
01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:02.800
are the things worth and knowing and doing so that

1893
01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:05.560
in the next two hundred and fifty years we can

1894
01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:08.880
have a country that is thriving just as much or

1895
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:10.840
more than it ever has.

1896
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:12.920
You know, Tim, what I love about what you just

1897
01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.800
said is that it's not like this has to be

1898
01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:21.279
you know, created. What it requires is a renewal, because

1899
01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:25.159
this is what God has implanted in each you know,

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01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:29.000
each member of his creation right in order to have

1901
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:32.600
things with peace, in order to enjoy liberty, to enjoy

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these God given virtues. And you know, when you have it,

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when you are at peace, and right now we're not

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at peace. But it's important, just like it was in

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the early two thousands, that the silent majority quits being silent.

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You know, it needs to come out. And I love

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your book because it will encourage people to say, you

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know what, Tim's right. You know, we're right. We need

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to come together and save I mean, instead of complaining

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about these young people that have been indoctrinated by progressive

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professors in this movement of socialism and all that. You know,

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when they're heading for a Cemen wall, it's up to

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us to say, hey, stop, you're heading to a wall.

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You're going to kill yourself.

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Right, yes, and I'll tell you we are just past

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the season bill to your point of commencement addresses, And

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one of my favorite, which I write about, is the

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great commencement address given by Justice Clarence Thomas. He spoke

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at Hillsdale College, and he beautifully said that the other

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side of freedom, the other side of liberty, is moral excellence, moral.

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Excellence in the people and in the leaders.

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And he said that in the American experience, if you

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want liberty and freedom over time, you have to cultivate

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and nourish moral excellence and virtue in the people.

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And this must begin at young ages.

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So part of what really meant is aimed at the

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rising generation of young Americans.

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We have to.

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Restate the obvious because very often when we speak about

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the greatness of marriage, the greatness of babies, the greatness

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of children, there are millions of young people who have

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grown up in such a broken and dysfunctional culture that

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they need to be reminded or maybe even told for

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the first time, why these institutions not only are great institutions,

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but why in their own lives they can be great

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institutions and the most important ones they'll ever be.

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A part of well.

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Tim Giglin, thank you so much for coming on. Congratulations

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on the new book. It's now available everywhere, right it is.

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What really matters is the title, and it is available

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bill wherever. People love to buy books, and I hope

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they'll buy it and read it and enjoy it.

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