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0:00 Are you ready? Yeah, okay, is doing Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez. Wel good morning America. Glad you could join us six minutes after the top of the alt right now. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Peter Johnston, author of his new book, Negotiating with Trump. And what a perfect book right now with all that the president has been doing and negotiating peace once again and again, all the events around here run and we're going to have fun discussing, you know, the lessons on power, influence and dealing with extreme bargainers as you write. Peter, Welcome, Michelle. Good to have you with us.

0:45 It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me on your show. Bill Well, a little background here, ladies and gentlemen. He's a leading authority on negotiation and the international best selling author of Negotiating with Giants. So been there, done that you probably got. If you took your shirt off, we'd see all the scars. Right, Yeah, you might, but you wouldn't want me to take my shirt off now. But I understand it. But a lot that you share with us is I mean, it's personal. I mean, these are adventures experiences that you've gone through that are such a blessing. And so, first of all, negotiating with Trump, why Trump? Trump is the ultimate case example that we all are aware of for learning what effective and ineffective negotiation looks like.

1:34 We haven't had a negotiator like this Bill in history, who's so high profile, who stakes his personal brand on negotiation as a field and whose own state department has declared that he's America's greatest fieldmaker ever. So he's a great way to learn about negotiation. I wrote the book for those two reasons. One is to better understand Trump his person an Alley type. The psychology uses his strengths and weaknesses so that you can understand him, but you can better influence him as a diplomat, business person, or citizen. And secondly, I wrote the book so that the average person can learn how to negotiate more effectively in their own lives based on Trump as a case example.

2:20 Well, exactly, because you know has been said you get what you negotiate, right, And a lot of people sometimes find themselves unhappy in their careers and the situations that they're in because they don't know how to negotiate. This is why some high profile people who have the ability to hire attorneys negotiate for them right exactly. And we're negotiating any time we're trying to influence someone to do something, so that doesn't involve lawyers most of the time, doesn't involve long contracts. It can just be an oral agreement between you and me that I'm coming on your show, and for both our sakes reputationally, we show up. We don't sign a contract, though, And so this is how pervasive negotiation is in our lives, from our homes to the international stage. And the lessons are all the same, Bill that's the magic of what I do for a living.

3:19 Number one lesson for me has always been a negotiation should be win win based, because I think that if you if somebody has a decided advantage over somebody, you know, like for example, what happened in World War One, Okay, that wasn't the outcome wasn't necessarily I mean seemingly on the surface, it seemed like a good negotiation. After being the resolution of the war exactly. That's what I'm talking about, for example, So you know, expound on that if you would. Well you know, I'll touch on that very briefly just to say, I want to come back to the win lose, win win concept. But treaty of arse verse, I say, they should have negotiated in the opposite direction. They should have started with negotiating with Germany and decided what was appropriate there and then left the rest of the spoils to the other nations the victors. Instead, they did the reverse, and by the time they got to negotiating with Germany, nothing was left for Germany to get, and that's what ultimately led to its sense of extreme loss and the Second World War. So that's just touching on that piece.

4:36 But coming back to this idea of win win, you know a lot of people think that sounds naive and aspirational. I say, that's the harsh reality of deal making. If the others saw, if I'm negotiating with you and I'm just taking everything and not giving you anything, we're not going to get a deal. You're going to be unhappy with the deal and you're going to exit from it quickly, or where it's just going to be a bad deal. So this idea of win win, where we're meeting each other's interests, this is where President Trump has a lot of strengths in influence and negotiation. He's better at informal deals often than formal deals like this Iran deal. But his mentality of win lose, which he had with Iran as soon as he tore up that the Iran nuclear deal in twenty eighteen because he felt America didn't win enough through that deal without looking what America was getting in return, leads him into situations where he's overly aggressive trying to win, and it's resulted ultimately, honestly in the United States in terms of national interests not winning in this negotiation with Iran.

5:50 Right well, And the thing is, in any kind of negotiation, you have to have enough respect and trust of, you know, for the other person that you're negotiating with. I think this is the thing that can lead to a deal that's unsustainable, like what happened in Germany, that you create so much pain and you violate the integrity of the individual in such a degree that they say, Okay, I'm just going to sign it to get over with. You got me over a barrel, but I'm going to come back, you know later. I think the situation in Iran, for example, you know Trump is good in terms of what I see in terms of dealing with most business situations because you know, you both know what you want. At the end of the day, you may come at a different angles. Okay, you can parse it out and maybe you don't get everything, but you still feel, hey, look at I got a good deal out of this deal. Iran is untenable. They want one thing and one thing only. They want Israel gone in America next. So how do you negotiate your demise?

6:58 Well, I think by the way I look at Trump in negotiating with Trump, I look at his deal making over the past fifty years from business to the political realm, and I would say he has approached those negotiations the same way and often ineffectively in trying to win and not. You know, as you say, the problem with that is it doesn't build trust between us when I want you to lose and I'm going to win and trust for the sustainability of any deal. The lawyers and the contracts matter. But as you know, what matters is are both our interests being satisfied through that deal and do we have that base of trust for allowing us to continue to look out for each other over the course of that deal.

7:44 When we look at the Iran deal that's been announced and the memorandum of understanding, I look at the how and then the what. And the how involves how the parties dealt with each other. Why did they come to the table in the first place, who was involved, was the right level of expertise, there was the breadth and depth of negotiation appropriate? And was trust built during the process not undermine? Well, when you are forcing someone to come to the table by threatening to annihilate them, that means that the deal you reach is going to be flawed from the very beginning in terms of trust between the parties over the long term. And then the second piece is you look at the what in Iran and I would say there really was no room for agreement on this. So as upset as people may be over the long term deal, I don't think it's going to happen.

8:39 It's dead on. Arrival, because, first of all, Iran, would you give up your nuclear your nuclear ambitions if you had been attacked twice in an unprovoked manner over the last nine months alone. And look at how successful North Korea has been by having nuclears. It has not been attacked. And second, the strait of horror moves. Would you give up your superpower that you've just learned that you fully have your back and call and to go in any negotiation when it gives you the ultimate power over the world economy and the United States of America. Gotta go to quick break more from Peter after this, stay. With us Cole's deal days are right on time.

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14:19 Bill Martinez here with Peter Johnson in his book Negotiating with Trump. Peter, as we're wrapping up that first segment, you're exactly right. You know what they can discern out of this. And I always look at whenever I'm negotiating with somebody, I look at their tradition. You know, if you want to know what somebody will do look at what they've done. There is a pattern that's been well established, not just in the last five ten years or several. I mean this has been you know, thousands of years of a pattern of a people, a radical group like this, and especially when they have allies like Hesboala and which trying to protect in Lebanon, the hu thies, and of course we still got Hamas controlling about forty five percent of the Gaza. So these are still you know, potential firebrands that could explode and really tear up all this negotiation.

15:15 Maybe what you're saying earlier and I discerned and you correct me if I'm wrong, is right now. This is probably the best we could do with the cards that we have available. And this is why Trump had to do this. I think ultimately, well that didn't have to be the case by any means, it was the ultimate case, and that this was as good as the United States could get and Trump could get given his interest and going back to how we can judge this deal and know that it's likely to not be followed through on in the longer term and the shorter term seems to meet both parties interests to buy some time from the fighting and the economic chaos.

15:58 But on the how to your point on those proxy groups acting on behalf of a reprehensible regime in Iran when you don't have them involved in the talks, and you don't have Israel involved in the talks because Trump likes to do these things on his own. That's the downside to not involving others. It's the sustainability of what's been agreed is undermined. And that's why I say it's very unlikely either side's going to have to deal with this in the longer term because it's not going to happen as a longer term agreement. Well, we've had several ceasefires during this ordeal, and whether it's has bel you know, firing missiles. I mean, even if you look back over the alleged ceasefires, you know we had more fires than cease yes, so right, and so, yeah and so. And Israel they've been living with this, you know, since they became a nation again and nineteen forty eight, Well, they've been attacked by other entities even you know, from the day of their birth, you know, thousands of years ago. So, but this is intolerable, especially after World War two. And all that they went through in the Holocaust and what's happened. So you know, all it's going to take is Hesbla or the hoodies or something again to fire on Israel and Benjamin Netanyah who.

17:22 You know, they're a sovereign nation. They have every right to defend themselves, right. And I think in part the president thought he was doing netna Who a favor by acting as he did in the attacks on Iran twice. But in fact, as netnya Who has learned, he and Israel are going to be big losers in this right, in terms of the division between the US and Israel. But you know, when you look at the fact that this deal, which Trump was really forced to reach after having said, as you said, he said so many times, more than thirty times, We're going to. Have a deal. He told his team clearly, just get a deal. Whatever the terms are, I don't really care. And when you look at the fact that that didn't meet the stated national interest on four fronts in any way, that leads you to question, well, why did we go to war in the first place.

18:17 As the United States well, and it also gives and it gives credence to what Barack Obama said that we were better off before than we are now. I don't quite believe that, but that's his story. He's sticking to it. Well, i'll tell you so. Trump takes going to that aggressive win lose approach that's called a fixed pie negotiation in negotiation terms, where we see the pie as fixed. It's a set size, and my job in negotiating with you is to win the biggest piece of that pie. Another approach that has proven to be much more effective because of the lessons of the Second World War you referred to, is an expanded pile approach, where we look to meet each other's interests and the size of the pie through trade, through any negotiation, where we're meeting each other's interests so that we can get a bigger slice, much bigger slice than we would get through that fighting over.

19:12 Since both of us would get a bigger slice exactly exactly, like for example, what happened in Venezuela. Right, Well, I don't know how Venezuela ended up with a bigger slice there, I'm not sure, but certainly that was more of a fixed pie approach. And the president brings this fixed pie approach, which limits the value to be clear that he's able to achieve through his negotiations. He's very good bill at certain things in negotiations, mainly and formally. But to start with that mindset of my job is to beat you. It leads to people not wanting to do business with the president personally, professionally, or in national politics. And we've seen that the most successful negotiators take an expanded pie. I'll meet your interests, you meet mine. Now, going back to what interests have been satisfied to the presidents by going into Iran, I think a number of those were personal interests. I think he's incredibly effective at meeting his own personal interests through all of these negotiations. And those interests included a distraction at home from the Epstein files, as many have said, looking more powerful and authoritative amid an economy that was sputtering by trying to look strong militarily, and just in terms of grievances with Iran alone, you know, the grievance over Obama's twenty fifteen deal and how he felt about that deal, as well as grievances towards as he said he believes

20:42 Iran interfered with both the twenty twenty and twenty four twenty twenty four elections, So his personal interests weren't being He tried to satisfy them, didn't. At this point has decided this war is undermining those interests as well as national interests, and it's time to focus back on the US. But we could return to the battlefield any time, depending on any day the president wakes up and whether he decides war meets his interests better than dealing with his domestic situation. Well, you said something earlier, and I hope the audience caught that, because this is significant, because I think this was the big surprise here, and that was that the strait of horror moves.

21:26 You know, Yes, yeah, it's well, there's nothing if the straight of hor Hormuz, the nuclear front by the way, just going. I would just say to you, I have no I'm a non partisan. This is through the objective lens of a negotiator. I would say, despite concerns about the twenty fifteen Iraan nuclear deal, the US would be hard pressed. It would be a stunning feet of negotiation, given how the dynamics have changed since then, for Trump to reach a deal that's even close to what Obama reached over nuclear arms in twenty fifteen. But around with that negotiation still had a pathway to obtain a nuclear weapon, and trump Number one goal was to stop that, to make sure they didn't And in a sense he certainly Whether or not he's fully stopped that as yet to be seen. We don't know, but he's definitely delayed and put it back maybe a decade or two.

22:32 I'd push back. I don't think it's a decade or two. They still have all the know how that they need, They have their enriched uranium. My last book was on nuclear weapons and negotiating them. I don't think Iran's that as far away as the President would like through these efforts. And I think if you're Iran and I again a reprehensible regime, but would you want to give up the right to building a nuclear weapon given that you've been attacked twice of late, and when you look at North Korea as an example. By the way, one of the reasons the President said he was tearing up the nuclear deal in twenty eighteen with Iran was because he wanted to send a signal to North Korea that they should lay down their arms and give them up as a show of force as the United States, well, we know how North Korean Kim Jong un responded, they doubled down and said, that's not going to happen to us. You didn't meet your word with Iran. Why would I trust you, President Trump, to reach a deal where I give up all my nuclear weapons that I already have in return for what.

23:42 Yes, exactly, Yeah, Now, I thought that was hyperbolic and an extreme I don't see under any I don't know how under any terms you're going to negotiate with the Hermit king Kingdom on that. You know, not at this point. And I think Iran's learned the lessons from North Korea. Noticed, no one's attacked North Korea in the last ten years, and there's a reason for that, and Iran's taken that smartly. And I really that's why I say, I think there's really no room substantively at this point foreign agreement that would truly meet the interests of the United States and Iran.

24:24 I would say, the difference between you know, what's you know, Korea, what Korea has done in terms, it's not like they've been aggressive, you know, Yes, they you know, fired off some missiles and demonstrated that they have far, far reaching capacity, whereas Iran has been rather aggressive in the Middle East. Absolutely so, so a huge difference there in a sense. So Kim john Un has you know, he's not looking to aggravate something, whereas I think the Iranians they have been and they've poked the bear, and I think that what's happened in this whole situation. What my takeaway from our conversation, Peter is that this has not been a win win. This is almost turned into a lose lose proposition.

25:12 Is that fair to say? I I yea. My only pushback what I'd say, the United States national interest wise has lost. I think Iran has been in bolden. Yeah, well, as they say, we'll see, we will see, We'll see how this plays out. Peter. Thank you so much, elik Ford. We've got to continue this conversation. I wish I had more time with you, and I'd love that. Bill. I look forward to having you back. Congratulations on the book, Negotiating with Trump, Lessons on power, influence and dealing with extreme bargainers. Peter Johnston has been our guest. Peter, thank you so much. Take care, Thanks Bill, take care. Everything is expensive right now, gas, food, you name it.

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29:36 Mister Nail's how we doing? I think I'm pretty good, mister Martinez. Well we look wonderful. You look wonderful as always. Hey, lots to catch up on. First of all, let's revisit, if we can, the Carmelo Anthony murder trial. We know the results. I boy, I'll tell you, I don't know in retrospect that you look at his lawyer, the way they tried to play this, They tried to play the race guard on it instead of you know, going in. I think just the strategy just blew up in their face and got this kid, you know, thirty five years. I think it's unfortunate.

30:17 I agree with you, Bill, any really good lawyer would have gone in and pleaded him out. Yeah, it's dead bang. You know, there's nothing good about this case. What I can say about Carmelo Anthony is he grew up in a family that rewarded aggression. You know, he didn't stand a chance having parents like the people who raised him. They do it GoFundMe or whatever they get six hundred thousand dollars and they spend the money on luxury cars and a publicist and a crappy lawyer who didn't really defend him. Yeah. No, you're spot on on this, And that was my read that the parents were aggrieved and looking for reparations and playing the race card and that sort of thing.

31:05 And the thing that came out early to me anils is I think that this young man had a little bit of counseling, because even after it occurred, he went to his coach and admitted that he had done something wrong, and there was some remorse and regret there. Unfortunately that vapored once his parents took over. It seemed just my impression anyway. I don't think his parents would have rewarded remorse from him. I mean, they had been you know, we have too many young people who grow up with a familiar circumstance where they reward this sort of aggression. It's a horrifying act of murder, manslaughter, whatever you want to call it, a second degree murder. As far as I'm concerned, if I was a judge sentencing Carmelo Anthony, I would have given him twenty with an opportunity to change. And if he couldn't embrace change in the penal system, give him the thirty, you know, give him the extra fifteen. But I would have given him an opportunity to change, because a guy like that doesn't stand a chance with parts of the sort that he that he clearly grew up with.

32:19 And look what they're throwing him into, Nils. I mean, he's going into a penal system that is going to just own this young man. And you know, and you know that going in so it's a disaster. I mean, this whole thing is tragic. I mean, nobody wins on this thing, but there could be you know, I'm like you, I look and see where is the redemptive quality in this? And I think that this young man would have had some counseling and some direction, maybe even if if it was even possible for the judge to say, look it, let's let's get this man some counseling. He's get this young man some counseling and see if he's redeemable. See, you know, did what he said to his coach? Is that a seed of potential redemption to where then you do, like like you said, a twenty year deal and see if this man, this young man can be redeemed and take this mistake and be able to do something for himself, and even in the name of the young man that he killed.

33:31 I agree with you. As long as a man is alive, there is hope that he can change, Yes, but he has to take complete ownership of his life, you know, take the best of what he can get from his parents and from whatever services he's offered in prison. But often prisons just make men into worse men. You know. Let's see if he can take ownership of his life. But with these parents, he's not gonna not going to find his way forward. I hope he finds some authentic leadership in the in the prison system of Texas. Yeah. I can only hope and pray that that would be the case. But there's this is just another one of the stories, the millions of stories just like this young man, whether it's you know, Trayvon Martin. I think back with the Trayvon Martin case. You know what a fiasco that was and what it ignited in terms of a race right in this country and and here it is.

34:30 I mean, you had the race baters trying to do everything they could to contrive something on the hills of a Supreme Court decision that said, look at race is all but gone. It's it's it's lost its oxygen. It has no place in this culture anymore. And and thank god, the uh, you know, the Anthony family was not able to gin any kind of race reaction that could have done something like George Floyd all over again. I agree with you, the hard left is always willing to give it a try, though they don't want to lose even a moment of power from anything.

35:11 Well, we saw what happened with the SPLC Southern Poverty Law Center, and even in the hearing, I mean, it's just ridiculous the people they had on their hate map, and they had no concern whatsoever, Nils that what they put on that hate map had any connection with you know, murder attempts on some of these you know, conservative groups that because they hold to a doctrine that is scriptural, all of a sudden they're regarded as a hate entity. Did you see the California Post today They reported on one of the SPLC executives who was in a romantic relationship with one of the Nazis they were supporting.

35:55 Why not, Look, I mean. Let me ask you the question, Billy, does he have Stockholm syndrome or does she? Yeah? Right, well or maybe both? You know, yeah, all the above. Yeah, no, it's it's well again interesting that, you know, politics and everything else makes for strange bedfellows. As they say, right, Nells, Billy. I'm not going to touch that with a twenty foot barge pole. You can't bait me into a bad answer. You can't do it, Martinez. As dangerous a man as you all, you can't talk me into that. One man. Okay, well, we'll leave that as it as it lies. It's okay, but you know that again, getting back and just as a rap on Carmelo Anthony, I just I feel for both these young men, you know, and the families, you know, the devastation that has happened to both these families.

36:51 Although you know, I think the parents, as you say, they're so fixed in their narrative and that this is you know, a prejudicial act. This was a racial decision based on you know, race only, and uh, you know, and they even tried to claim that, you know, the jurors were not represented. There wasn't minority representation. I think they had. Six CNN reported that it was an all white joy you know, well, George Zimmerman, the white Latino. I was going to say that CNN was the same one that came up with that a white Mexican, a white Latino. And I had to call my mother. I go, Mom, did I miss something here? You know, have you ever heard a white Latino? She laughed, or you know, she just laughed. I said, I want to they But anyway, she thought it was quite quite comical in much the same way when I called her and I said, I went to a what they called a gourmet Mexican restaurant, and it was still rice and beans and avocados, but it was a gourmet Mexican restaurant. Only in West Balm Beach.

38:00 I'm telling you only Yeah, Okay. So they had a gourmet Mexican restaurant in Copenhagen, Danmark, and the guy running it was like the son of grandson of some Mexican communists who had to flee Mexico in the fifties and then go into business for himself because socialism and communism wasn't going to support his ass in in Danmark, so he got to be super exotic in Copenhagen, it was. It was some pretty odd Mexican food. I got a comitos makana. It was strange stuff in Danmark. Man, I gotta tell you, well, I'll guarantee you he didn't wash dishes. Yeah, no, way, that was happening, right exactly, good communist.

38:45 Right, well exactly, that's what that's what we love about him. Man. You do what I say, not as I do, right. Right right. You know, for the Marxist Marxism is never insufficient. It's just people are insufficiently Marxist. Isn't that true? True? Huh, Truer words have never been stated, mister Nils. I'm telling you, look at let's go to break. We've got more to discuss with Nils Gravillis, the crime expert. Right after this. Every June, T mobile turns up the perks for Member month, and this year they're going bigger than ever as T mobile celebrates ten years of te Mobile Tuesdays. What started as a bold new way to thank customers has grown into one of the biggest customer appreciation programs in the country, delivering billions of offers, savings, and experiences to members over the last decade. This year, T Mobile is introducing even more value with new benefits like free premium in flight drinks on Delta flights, the return of free Dash pass by door Dash, expanded travel and dining rewards, and weekly shell gas savings. Throughout Member Month, customers can also enter weekly sweepstakes for cash, Amazon gift cards and VIP travel experiences.

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43:17 Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with the infamous and one and only Neils Gourvillius, the crime expert author US Army VET, who completed three tours in Korea with DMZ service. Well know, I've been always wanting to ask you the DMZ service. I mean, you know, we look at you know, that great movie with Jack Nicholson, A few good men sitting there at the DMZ, and you know what was what was that like for you? At It was great periods of boredom and lots of fatigue, details like burning excrement and filling sandbags. And then you take a five paragraph operations order for a patrol. You're going to run into the DMZ right up close to North Korea, within meters of North Korea. Maybe an ambush, maybe a reconnaissance, something like that. You go through a pre patrol inspection. You've got the Neutral Nations people from Sweden inspecting you at guard posts one, two eight to make sure that you're fully equipped for an armist disagreed patrol in the DMZ. I don't know why they call it a demilitarized zone. There are no civilians up there, man.

44:35 I can promise you that sitting in thirty degree below zero weather for eight hours in Mickey Mouse boots, Parker Field pants, etc. With Clay Moore minds out waiting for the North Koreans to come in, occasionally making contact with them. That sort of thing, you know what I'm talking about. Or in the summertime, it's as hot and damp as Panama and mosquitoes eating you alive, and you're sitting in wet MUDs, rice paddies that haven't been tended since theeen early nineteen fifties, but still smell of human waste and that sort of thing. Some of the places in the DMZ you could find fox holes that were mostly caved in with stacks of ammunition and the belt links of thirty caliber that sort of thing from the fifties, old hand grenades and things you wanted to be careful of minefields.

45:35 You know, it's not a pleasant thing. I don't think it was pleasant duty for the North Koreans either, And still to this day, broadcast over loud speakers opposite us, opposite Hill Won sixty seven, occasionally you'd see the rocks in contact on Hill won sixty seven. White Horse Division a ninth division. You'd see red tracers flying north, green tracers flying south. That's that sort of thing. White Horse has a rep you know. The man who stabilized Hill won sixty seven. It had been a colonel in the Japanese Army, and white Horse has a reputation to maintain. They were sent to Vietnam during the Vietnam War and stacked up a lot of Communists in Vietnam. So you could always tell the Korean soldiers who were in White Horse because of their swagger, you know.

46:25 Yeah, Well, I'm sure you've got many stories to tell, but just even the rough outline that you gave us right now. And the fact of the matter is Neils as you know, you know, we have men there in DMZ service to this very moment, right. That is Craig. My father fought in that war. My father was in seventh Marines at the Chosen Reservoir and it was so cold they couldn't dig fighting positions, so they used the dead to make the parapets of their fighting positions Chinese and American alike. And to be ambulatory meant that you could actually walk. So my father was wounded twice and still walked out of the Chosen Reservoir.

47:09 It got shot that sort of thing. He had permanent damage to his extremities, frozen feet, He saw human wave attacks of Chinese. And what the reason the United States Hollywood cinema machine will never make a big sweeping epic of the Chosen Reservoir Bill is because American forces had to execute Chinese prisoners because they couldn't march them, they couldn't treat their wounds, they couldn't let them go. If they did, they just renewed the attack on the lines, so they had to execute them. The command was given by Colonel Litzenburg, take these men to tenth Corps and be back in ten minutes. Well, tenth Corps was thirty kilometers in the rear. You know what an order like that means, And that was exactly you know, nobody likes that.

48:05 I served in the unit in Korea, the thirty first Infantry, and my father dreaded even knowing I was in that outfit, because at thirty first got wiped out fighting the delaying action coming out of the Chosen Reservoir. Seventh Division was at the eastern end of the Reservoir, First Marine Division at the western end, and Task Force Faith commanded by Don Carlos Faith. They got wiped out. He was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously. The North Koreans gave his body back in twenty seventeen, I think or twenty fifteen. The man was an American hero. He had four combat jumps in World War Two. He was a thirty one year old lieutenant colonel. He probably would have been Army Chief of Staff or something like that. But when you read his Medal of Honor citation, it's stark heroism. They were outnumbered about thirty to one.

48:59 Wow. Oh when a story on that. Let's transition to Los Angeles. We know Karen bass is going to get another bite of the apple. People in LA that I speak with are still shocked. They cannot comprehend Spencer Pratt not being in the runoff. Here. Well, we know exactly what happened. It's the dead body vote, it's the derelict vote, it's the bomb and junkie vote on the communist NGOs harvest those ballots with people, you know, you know, eight hundred people at one derelict shelter address.

49:41 Somehow their ballots all all get collected at the last minute, and they flood them in at the last minute, so there can't be any effective oversight or if you intervene to try to oversee how the ballots are being tabulated, if the legitimate illegitimate, the hard left is going to scream that there's, you know, a coup taking place by the hard right or something like that. If the Justice Now I do believe Bill Saley is going to be filing election charges, but he has to wait until the election is certified. But Pratt isn't going to let go. Pratt is going to continue ridiculing and exposing them that sort of thing. We have to have changes in election law in California. They've enabled a lot of criminality here, and I think it's a violation of the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act what they're engaged in.

50:41 Bill, you see to me the way I look at it, I understand states are supposed to be the authority over all this, but when it affects the entire nation, then I think a federal issue comes into play, and the Feds to this point have tried to keep their hand of it and let the state continue to get away with this kind of shenanigans. It's not even incompetence. This is intentional on their part. Judicial Watch has been screaming for years to get over three million names off the voter rolls. These are people have voted in nate elections, many of which are dead, but they just hold on to those names because the ballots go out and the ballot harvesters know what to do with those ballots. Right, It's like having a blank check.

51:31 That's the whole purpose of these NGOs. The derelics, the whinos, the junkies, the prostitutes, the whatever, are just inventory for them. The whole purpose of homeless industrial complex here in La Bill is the ballot harvest. There is no other put well that and making middle class salaries for people with garbage degrees from state funded clown factories. You know, these university systems who turn out people with you know, larraza, homo erotic studies of the proto pre Columbian period or whatever. That's that's what we're getting. These people are employed by the NGOs and the whole purpose of it is laundering the money and harvesting the ballots.

52:18 Yeah, what they continue to do, I mean you know, in general terms, people often say that, you know, Bass and the councilwoman that she's now yeah, that she's going to be running against that these are all Marxists. Well, you know, but I think that people sometimes they lose the definition and you not quite understand because if you read the Communist Manifesto and see what the Marxists are doing, they're following the Communist Manifesto, are they not? They are. They're also following some more modern premiers like soul O Lensky's rules for radicals. But Donald Trump follows some of that too, maybe accidentally. You know, Donald Trump is an a Marxist, but he uses some of those rules in order to defy expectations, to break norms, that sort of thing. But on point, you are correct, these are communists. They are following the Communist Manifesto and a lot of other modern Jacobin theory. I mean, the term in the French Revolution was Jacobins, right, they destroyed the French middle class in a quest to destroy the French nobility.

53:34 They destroyed France to save France. Well they didn't save France, you. Know, right, And all this Nils is I you know, take it apart and start seeing, you know, how the pieces are coming together. This has nothing to do with our constitution. In fact, it's antithical to it totally. And this is really, you know, putting the United States on a trajectory to align itself with the World Economic Forum in a one world government. I agree with you. I think the opening battle really was the Battle for Seattle. What was that nineteen ninety nine, two thousand, the World Trade Organization protests and then wto cave to them and started funding their NGOs and suddenly they stopped showing up with the common turned a riot at at wto events. You know, that was I think the opening Salivo. And then you have the Red Green alliance with the Reds lining up with the with the Jihad being waged against the West. They you know, they're in bed together for a violent overthrow. Ayatola Komeni was sort of a meld of Vladimir Lenin and the thirteenth m mom or whatever you want to call him. So, yeah, we're we're at that point. I wanted to call your attention to that announcement by the f beyond Us warning of the five people arrested for the want to be drone strike on the UFC event at the White House

55:07 over the weekend. Based on what has been released from the signal chat about fighting oligarchy and capitalism, we can only presume we have more Jacob and Marxist here right now. Well, and why not. You know the result of the open borders that we tolerated for four years, and you know in what the Biden administration promoted. I mean it was, you know, like wave the red cape in front of them and let the bulls enter. Right. I think that's correct. That's a perfectly, perfectly, perfectly stated thing that you've got.

55:49 Well, we got to leave it there is always appreciate the time. Nils Grevillius, the crime expert, author and US Army vet right here on Bill Martinez's life. Thank you, Nils. Take care be well, my friend. You'd b schef Belly good to Shiama always shou. Streaming TV is where it's at. It's not about cutting the court anymore. That's old news. It's all about your customized TV options with the best and cheapest high speed internet and your own TV subscriptions. We've got your dream TV lineup between wired and satellite internet and TV. You now have tons of options save money and get more internet speed and better TV today by calling the Whole Home Connect. We scan your location and offer you the best TV and Internet options, and we always have specials and promotions. So when you call, ask about that. Take five minutes of your time. Make this free call now and learn how to save money and get better internet and TV for your home anywhere in the US. Make this simple and free call now.

56:51 Eight hundred six nine nine oh three five eight, eight hundred six nine nine oh three five eight eight hundred six five eight. That's eight hundred six nine nine zero three fifty eight. Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live. Hey, good morning, Welcome six minutes after the top of the hour, Bill Martinez here with the Middle East expert himself, Doctor Michael Rubin joins us. Now, Hey, Michael, always good to have you with us. How are you, sir? Thank you, Bill, It's always great to keep talking with you. Well. Yet, what a what a mixed bag? The last couple of weeks have given us, you know, some wins, you might even say, some losses for President Trump. But at least as he comes back home, he finds out the New York Knicks are going to visit the White House.

57:47 Maybe that's a box lift, right. As a Philadelphian, and I'm not so sure it's a positive folks. See. Well, but at least we got, you know, I think this is maybe the first you know, NBA team I think chamans that a visit of the White House in a long time. Especially Yeah, no, I mean, seriously, it's welcome because we need to stop taking the politics out of everyone. The President of the United States is the president of all Americans, regardless of whether we're Democrats or Republicans. Well, and of course we had that big event last weekend with the you know, with the what is it the I want to say NFC, but it's not. It's the w the cage fighting, the cage fighting. But I can't.

58:30 I just can't even believe. I can't remember, you know, today for something like that. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, and all all went well, but then here we find about this incredible plot. Yeah. Well, thank god our men and women in uniform are actually on top of things. Again, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, we need to understand that we are going to be targeted by our adversaries, who are ideological adversaries and don't distinguish between where how one votes at the ballot. Box exactly and here it is. I mean, kudus for the FBI and the great work that they did secret service.

59:11 I mean, Michael, this could have just been incredible. I mean, this could have been another Las Vegas event. You're you're absolutely right. At the same time, Bill, what I'm afraid of is whether it's because of our own domestic political rhetoric, the polemics of opposition and so forth, or whether it's seeming stumbles on the world stage have led our adversaries to to basically smell blood in the water and believe that they can become even more aggressive in their desire to destroy the United States. Just so I cleared up UFC Ultimate Fighting Champions. That's I mean, that's the deal anyway. So that's that's out there UFC, so we know for sure that that's what it was. And but you're exactly right going back, we're being at because we are vulnerable and also we're still dealing with anywhere fifteen twenty million illegal immigrants taking advantage of the open borders. I don't know what the Democrats were thinking to put America in you know, everyday citizens in such danger, and why anybody would think about voting for a Democrat until they get this resolved, It's beyond me, because they have contributed so greatly to this insecurity that we're now dealing with.

1:00:32 Well, you know, I wish that the Democrats are those who want to embrace this concept of open borders. Would remember that in twenty twenty Sorry, in twenty twenty four, many Latin people of Latin American descent had actually voted for the Republicans because they differentiate between legal and illegal immigration. They differentiate between those who follow the procedures versus those who are essentially line jumpers. On top of which, even in an international sense, the United Nations High Commission for Refugees is going to be celebrating it's the seventy fifth anniversary of the Refugee Convention and they are embracing a back to the future mentality, going back to the basics, where frankly, there aren't economic refugees. There are people who are fleeing conflict. And when they flee conflict, they don't get to choose where they end up. They simply remove themselves from from conflicts. So if you're Venezuelan and you're fleeing conflict. You can go to Columbia, but you can't necessarily expect to get political asylum in the United States.

1:01:44 Right Well, And the thing is is and what opened that up, Michael, because you know that was the consideration, and you'd hear that in the rhetoric, you know, even in the recent years, that they should go to a neighboring countries because it only makes sense that they would do that because the name they bring. Countries know the immediate danger, they know the danger it's happening in the neighborhood. They're more accustomed to the culture, and maybe having them assimilate and fit in a little bit easier than traveling thousands of miles and coming into the United States of America. You know, we're actually again seeing this elsewhere in the world. Bill. The government of Thailand has now given Burmese work permits because they realize that having a refugee population which isn't simply taking but is contributing, can be a good thing on their border. Likewise, Poland is dealing with the fact that they don't want the Ukrainians to go home because they estimate the Ukrainians have added three percent of their gross domestic product. But if you encourage refugees simply to go to the places with the biggest social safety nets, then ultimately you don't have that benefit. And so this is the problem. The refugees should stay where they're out of danger. They can contribute to the economies there, but they shouldn't simply be able to put their hand up and say, I want to go to the place that's going to give me the most money and I don't have.

1:03:12 To work, right exactly. Speaking of Ukraine, you just got back from Ukraine. Give us an update. You know. I was in eastern Ukraine in places like Karkiv and di Nipro and Zaporiza, and what I saw was amazing the resilience of the Ukrainian people. Bill. I went to a school that was established by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in an underground nuclear bunker in Karkiv to see the kids so that they could continue the school year, not be on zoom like we were during COVID. Also, when I was traveling around the country, they have you download an app, and the story of that app is really interesting. The app will tell you when there is an air raid alert. You basically put.

1:03:58 In, how much like Israel? Right, Israel has the app same app. Right, basically it's much like Israel. But what basically happens or what the background to this is? When the war started, Ukrainian tech guys dropped everything, walked into the Ministry of Defense and said, we're gonna need this. We can give this to you, and within a week it was up and running. If only we had such agility within our own pentagon and our defense procurement for what's needed, we could really take a lesson from Ukraine. But the other thing I walked away from was that NATO needs Ukraine more than Ukraine needs NATO. Because of all the countries in Europe, I think the Ukrainians, maybe the Poles are the only ones who can still fight. The French and the Germans can debate and talk about international law, but I'm not sure how much they actually contribute.

1:04:49 Well, and that's a great point. What about the food supply? How is that? I mean, we know from day one it's been affected and here they are the bread basket of Europe. How how are they managing that? Michael? Well, you know, the Ukrainians are both proud of their food supply as well as being proud of their cuisine as well. That said, the issue with Ukraine isn't its ability to produce the food. It's the ability to export the food, which the Russians and so forth are trying to prevent them. That said, of course, when you have so many men at the front, and for that matter, women, it impacts labor and so forth, so there's an issue.

1:05:35 But you know, I was recently in Ethiopia. People were much more worried there about the impact of the Iran war, the lack of fuel and the ability to get food from the countryside into the cities. I didn't get that sense in Ukraine. So the big takeaway for you from Ukraine, I mean, and their resilience is unbelievable that they'd like. I came away thinking number one, that they are much more able to win this war than I believed before I went. Number two, you know, Bill, we've talked before. I'm very much critical of the United Nations. I was amazed by what the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees was doing there because basically it was keeping Ukrainians in the country. So that if they've managed to stabilize the situation, and within five minutes of a missile strike, they will be there providing aid, providing assistants, providing boards to put on the windows, and so forth. This is the way organizations should.

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1:12:13 Well, first of all, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has offered direct talks with Vladimir Putin. Unfortunately, not too many people believe that this could actually come to fruition. The other problem is, and let's face it, Bill, it's the elephant in the room. After seeing how Donald Trump negotiated with the Iranians, I'm not sure anyone wants Donald Trump to be mediators for their own conflict. How Donald Trump, back on January third, twenty twenty, had tweeted that Iran had never won a war, but never lost in negotiation, and unfortunately that seems to be the case. And just pushing this a little bit more forward, I saw in Persian language today in nor News, which is an Iranian outlet close to the Supreme National Security Council, that Mohammed Baker Kalaboff, negotiator and the speaker of the Parliament, had said that Iran had won in negotiations far above what it could have won militarily and far above its own expectations. For the Ukrainians to believe that Trump will negotiate on their behalf rather than simply try to get a short term calm.

1:13:19 They're not going to accept. That, right, Yeah, they want something long lasting. You know, throughout this whole negotiation. Speaking of Iran, you know, I've looked at it. In fact, I said, you know right off the bat, this was the memorandum of misunderstanding, because there's just so many narratives coming out of there. What can you believe in? And we know the leadership of Iran, you know they've lied, they cheat. I mean that, like anything, like any negotiation or any agreement, it's only as good as the people who are participating in it. And I don't have a lot of you know, trust and confidence in the leadership of Iran. Well you know what, Bill, I happen to agree with you.

1:14:00 And when I look at the agreement, I think some of the Trump administration spokespeople do protest too much because when they're complaining that this is so much different than joint conferences, the plan of action, you can see that's where their nerve is. And the fact of the matter is, when you look at it in terms of sunset clauses, in terms of the continuation of the nuclear program, in terms of not addressing missiles or proxies. It's more or less the same thing. But what worries me are two things. First of all, Donald Trump's promise to lift the sanctions. As my colleague at the American Enterprise Institute has shown, I mean, this is an illegal promise. I mean Donald Trump doesn't understand the legalities behind sanctions, or the fact that he doesn't have the ability simply to waive them in some cases. The point number two, and I've written about this for the National Security Journal, is I'm worried about the poison pill, which I see in this dot.

1:14:58 When Iran came to Donald Trump and said, we want you to include a ceasefire so that Israel stops attacking has Belah, the proper response for Donald Trump should have been, if you have a problem with Israel, Iran, you can negotiate directly with Israel. Unfortunately they haven't. Now in this case, you've got a situation where Israel, if there's not a ceasefire, if Israel attacks has Below, then the Iranians can walk away from the agreement with their twenty four billion dollars, perhaps with their three hundred billion dollar fund and blame the United States. Now, the fact of the matter is from Israel's perspective, this allows Iran to rearm has Belah and to engage in that prinksmanship. Now, you know, I'm a historian, Bill, and so let me put on my historical nerd cap. We saw a similar dynamic in nineteen ninety four with South Korea when Bill Clinton was negotiating for the Agreed Framework with North Korea. The president of South Korea at the time, I think it was Kim Sung yang had was so frustrated that the Americans were cutting them out of negotiations and engaging the North Koreans with such wishful thinking. He wrote an op ed in the New York Times blasting the Agreed Framework. And Bill Clinton trained all of his animosity on the South Korea, the democratically elected South Korean president, rather than on the

1:16:32 North Korean dictatorship. And I'm afraid the similar dynamic is developing with regard to Israel, where we're punishing our allies in order to rescue a terror entity. So what happens, which happens already, is that you know, Hesbula fires missiles into Israel. Like Israel isn't a sovereign nation or not to protect themselves. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And remember in this current conflict, of course, Hamas attacked Israel during a ceasefire. A lot of people forget that on October seventh, twenty twenty three, it was the greatest massacre, single day massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. But on October eighth, twenty twenty three, Hesbelah unilaterally decided to join into the fight and tens of thousands of Israelis haven't been able to return to their homes in northern Israel. Make no mistake, Israel is the victim here. Now, if Donald Trump really wanted to cement his legacy, there's a reason why the Israelis and the Lebanese have advanced their diplomatic process to the greatest extent in more than forty years, and that's because they faced a common enemy in Hesbelah. Hezbela is a terror threat to Israel and it's a threat to Lebanon's sovereignty. Unfortunately, Hesbela wants to be the spoiler, and in his desire for a quick deal and assigning ceremony that Donald Trump has really thrown the elected government of Lebanon under the

1:18:05 bus and undercut any possibility that they could actually have a diplomatic breakthrough with Israel. What kind of impact is this going to have, Michael on the rest of the Arab nations that are you know, looking at, you know, enjoining with the Abrahamic Accords. I mean, we had this potential all coming about, but it has to be I mean, they've got to feel good about it. And right now I see that this is put in jeopardy as well. Am I missing something? No, You're absolutely not missing anything. Again, Look, I'm sitting here in Washington, d C. And obviously I'm not part of the Trump administration. But what I think Trump should have done to really solidify our alliances and our reputation among other countries in the region. This frozen Iranian money, which is in banks throughout the region. Instead of saying we're going to unfreeze it and give it to Iran, what we should have said is we're going to unfreeze it and give it to Kuwait to rebuild their international airport that was struck by Iranian missiles. We're gonna give it to Abu Dhabi and to divide to rebuild their hotels, and their airports. We're gonna give it to any country which was struck by Iranian missiles and drones as reparations paid for with Iranian money. That would really show leadership, exactly, show that we will care about our allies rather than throw them under the bus at the first opportunity.

1:19:37 I mean, what a missed opportunity speaking a witch right, I mean, well, how did they miss that? I don't fully understand. But when push comes to shove, Donald Trump is the commander and the chief, elections matter, and he perhaps was listening a little bit too much to some of the Pakistani mediators rather than some of his own advisors, which again is why we see some tension reportedly within the Trump administration by those who are in favor of the deal and those who really wish that their concerns were transformed. But let me put it this way. Bill, You know, I'm a constitutionalist. I tend to lean more towards the libertarian side except when it comes to defense. But another thing we have in common now with President Obama and the Joint Conference a plan of action, was a desire to bypass the constitutional prerogative to go to the US Senate for anything that amounts to a treaty. And whenever we don't we've learned this lesson now twice. Without having the Senate chime in on this and vote on this, what we end up with are very bad deals that put all Americans in peril.

1:20:49 Well, what we're hearing out of DC and the belt Whll, you're right there is it's a hornets nest right now. To your point, yeah, it absolutely is a hornet's nest, and unfortunately deservedly so. But you've also heard my hornet's analogy before in a different context that when you have a hornet's nest, you have two good options. One is to get rid of it. Another good option would be to leave it alone. But the worst possible option is to sit underneath it lightly tapping it with a stick, to go halfway. And unfortunately, that seems to be what we've done. Are we back to war? I think we are eventually going to go back to war. Look, from Israel's perspective, Iran poses an existential threat, Iranian missiles, Iran's nuclear program, and so forth, And the nature of an existential threat, whether you like Israel or you dislike Israel, is that they're not going to defer to diplomatic amelioration. Yes, they feel that their existence is at stake. Remember the Israeli Navy drives more German submarines than the German Navy does.

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1:25:53 I'm great? How are you? Bill? Hey? I'm doing terrific. You know, Father's Day came and went, but hopefully it hasn't all been gone because I think we're beginning to appreciate some of these foundational principles and values. And this is something good about even having a day set aside for Father's Day, is that we need to remember the importance of fathers. Forget about what the culture is saying, and what you know, how we've been conditioned here in the recent decades about the insignificance of fathers, but look at all the research and you know, sociologists and everything are pointing out that fathers are essential. Yeah. Well, when I left football, I went into nonprofit work and probably the first thing I was working on was the absence of fatherhood, the deficit. And it's not just that many young men and women children don't have a dad in the home due to non marriage and due to divorce, and sometimes due to careerism and putting other things ahead of children. So we were addressing fatherhood, and the research was coming out back in the you know, late nineties all through the early two thousands, absolutely Crystal Claire that kids, families, communities, moms, women all do better when dads are there and engaged. And yet the cultural messages were still kind of dismissive and joking, and there

1:27:24 was an awful lot of liberty for men to stay immature and play their video games, do their sexual stuff with pornography, do the hooked up culture, delay marriage because you don't have to get married to have a sexual relationship, And it kept men immature, right and the culture is almost encouraging that and kind of talking down the traditional responsible male role model, while it was you know, pumping up that women can do great things and should do great things and should become leaders. And you and I have both said yay, opportunities for all is appropriate. But you don't need to knock down men. You don't need to not at the expense of yeah, yeah, that's that's ridiculous.

1:28:10 Uh. But anyway, now I think there's more of a active involvement by dads in the lives of their kids, if they're the dads that are still there right right, still missing dads and absent dads. We have far too high out of the wedlock birth right, et cetera. And and and even divorce is pretty high, and there's hard to stay connected after divorce. Although now there's some good ministries for blended families and for you know, those families that have gone through disruption. But fathering isn't you know, it's not a it's not a you don't take it for granted. It's intentional. You got to factly right right right. And and the other thing too, Jeff, that I've observed is a lot of things that you're pointing out, have worked against young men. It's given them the wrong message. It gave them things is to distract them from the most important things, the most incredibly you know, critical things of you know, having family and uh, you know, and having a wife and having a successful marriage and uh, you know, and working hard and having fun, you know, not just working hard to work hard, but having fun and uh.

1:29:19 You know what's happened is the women have responded. But but they're out there on an island under themselves, because you know, we need relationship. Women need men, men need women. You know, like it or not, you know, but I like it. And the kids need kids need moms, and kids need dads exactly. Moms and dads work together and they play unique and complimentary roles. I just sent out that text that I sent to you and to a number of other men that are in my life that I encourage. One of them was my dad's roommate and teammate with the Buffalo Bills ex Notre Dame all American, Eddie Rakowski up in Buffalo. He's kind of like my dad who's left on earth right now since my day off in heaven.

1:30:01 And Eddie wrote back to me thanking me for my text on Father's Day in which I referenced the good Shepherd, and he said, well, I've always tried to follow the example of your dad as he followed the example of the good Shepherd, because my dad was always talking about the good Shepherd would leave the ninety nine to go after the one, the one. If you look at the way Jesus shepherded people, he was truthful, but he was tender and pursued, and he cared, and he took care of his disciples, and he trained them. He came to them walking on the water when they were in trouble, you know, and he fed the people, and he said, let the children come to me, and let the woman with a bleeding ulcer come to me. Jesus was a great example of fathering because he was a great shepherd.

1:30:51 And that's a good reminder to us dads today. You're supposed to train, you're supposed to coach, you're supposed to teach, try to get your kid into a good college if appropriate. But do it with humility and love, right, do it with gentleness as a shepherd would. Okay, because you understand it. People aren't fully formed until we love them. And if they know we love them and they feel unconditionally loved, not for their performance, then they're secure. And when they're secure, they can form their own good relationships. They can take a risk, they can go off to college, they can say no to sex before marriage. They can say no to someone who is wanting to be derogatory and negative towards another person or a group of people. You give them courage when you're affirming in gentle and fatherly with them.

1:31:41 So good Shepherd is a great example all year long for you and for me and for every day. Right. Yeah, I love what you said. You know, to be fully formed? What does it take, you know, to be fully loved? You know, God fully loves us, right, And this is all part of the process. And here on earth it's up to mom and dads. This is why we honor them to you know, participate in that forming process so that you are, you know, forming a child who can go out and be a responsible husband, to be a responsible father. But you know, and I've heard this come up time and time again, whereas you know, people said, I just I wasn't fully formed, and I thought it was interesting, And then you said that this morning and I'm thinking, you know, there's you know, yes, that makes a lot of sense. Is that sometimes we release our children into the world and they're they're unprepared.

1:32:35 Jeff, Yeah, Well, some of that relates to the modern era, which has made the identity become very thin. I that has become your image, right brand? What grades you got, are you popular? How much money do you have, what kind of cardio drive, How skinny is your body, how strong is your body. It's all the image stuff. You know, how many people are following you on Insta X or whatever it is. That is not identity, That is impression. Identity is relationally formed. And that's when what you're talking about, Bill, when you said fully formed means you have figured out relationally who you are. You're a creation of Almighty God.

1:33:21 You're a son or a daughter of your mom and dad. You're related to your family. And at the end of the day, the identity that really cures us when we find out God's love through Jesus and we receive him. We are an adopted son or an adopted daughter who is unconditionally loved and doesn't need to earn that love, he needs to receive it. Well, the psychologist would talk about the really well formed person who's healthy in their life and can handle disappointment and handle success and try things and risk things and build good relationships and form a solid marriage. That person has secure attachment to their parents and in you're in my case, secure attachment to God, their ultimate father.

1:34:07 Right. So that's the job of a dad and a mom is securely attached to your child and let them know I love you no matter what. When they go through tough emotional things, you're there to process it with them. When you mess up, you apologize, okay, And then if they go through any really difficult things, you help them process it quickly, showing them compassion and empathy because two nervous systems helps us handle the things that make us overload in normal life. And then letting your kid know I like you just. As you are. I enjoy you just as you are. Would I love to see you not drink as much as you are? Yes? Would I love to see you not getting any more drunk driving situations? What I'd love to see you have a different boyfriend that treats you better. Yes, But I am not going to judge you or love you less because of it. And especially as they get older, Bill, we can't control that stuff, so we just know for them and love them.

1:35:05 Right exactly. Yeah, it goes back to what you were saying, Jeff, and that uh, you know, and that is the opportunity that we have is to understand who we are and whose we are, you know, and and foundationally, if you realize that that who you are is God, that you belong to God, that he created you with everything that you needed to be successful, and if you have that assurance, you know, it's kind of like, uh, you know, Mark Twain. I love what he said, the two most important days of our life is number one when we born we were born, and number two when we find out why why. I just think that is just such so powerful because I think a lot of kids, you know, because they get distracted by amusement, which means in amusement. If you study the word itself, it means without without consciousness. You know, you're just you're disconnected from your brain. And there's so many things that disconnect you from reality and they're a waste of time. And when you realize how precious time is and that it's all about investing in those things that are good and noble and right and uh and valuable and things that you can share righteous and good. Uh.

1:36:17 You know, then you start looking for others who have that same mindset and man, then at that point you got you've got a powerful force going on, right and especially if you're lucky enough to find a woman, which God says it's a good thing, you know, to marry. You know, then hey, you're rocking and rolling, right. I just have a sense of closing this time up and what we're talking about will with this instead of amusement, which is scrolling. Basically today, scrolling is not taking us anywhere. Let's find our purpose by receiving, receive God's love, Receive what Jesus did for you, Receive that unconditional acceptance, Receive his purpose for your life, which is why that Mark Twain was talking about. And his purpose is to relate to him, to enjoy him, to give him glory, and to do anything you do well so that he gets glory, which means you'll treat people great and form good relationships even if they don't treat you well. So let's replace scrolling with receiving God's love and his identity and purpose for us. That's what I wrote the book Received for to receive God's Love. That's the way Jesus lived.

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1:42:08 It is great to be with you, Bill Well. For three decades, as we know, you've served in the highest echelons of our government and Christian ministries, and from those positions you've obtained a not only a unique but a very practical perspective on numerous issues. And you know, I haven't had a chance to read your book yet, but I'm sure that's included. It is very much and what really matters. And the reason Bill that I chose that title is that, living and working here in Washington for nearly forty years, it seems to me and maybe to you, that the political class seems to find time to speak about everything borders and wars and taxes, but when it comes to what really matters, too often the political class is silent.

1:42:56 That's why what wrote what really matters, Because here we are in our two hundred and fiftieth year, and if we want to have the country for another fifty years, we've got to focus like a laser. Beam on what really matters. Marriage, family, parenting, human life, religious liberty, conscience rights, parental rights. These are perennially and timelessly the issues in public policy. In the public square that matter most. Tim These are foundational issues. We've been saying on the show for a number of years. You know, you've got to go back to the beginning. What was it? What was the foundation that was established that allowed America two hundred and fifty years again, And not to make any excuses, but let's be real here. It all hasn't been perfect.

1:43:46 But that was the goal of our founding fathers, that we would strive to that more perfect union. But it seems the further that we get away from these foundational principles that you're referring to the most, the more difficult it becomes. It's almost impossible, because you've got to you've got to look at the structure and see what's going on with the foundation, what's happening with the integrity of the foundation? Right? I could not agree more. And Bill that so well said, you know, two hundred and fifty years ago, the Spanish they don't know when they were born. The Italians don't know when they were born. The British don't know when they were born. We know when we were born. July fourth, seventeen seventy six, about three o'clock in the afternoon. And one of the things that was unstated in the period of our founding in the Declaration of Independence was what I think of is kind of the unwritten constitution. The unwritten Constitution was the assumption of strong churches, parishes and congregations, strong marriages, families, strong foundations about things that matter most. It's not just that they took everything for granted, I'm not suggesting that, but our founding fathers and mothers absolute new and by the way, we know today that it is the family that is the center of the project.

1:45:07 The country was built on faith. If you want to have freedom over long periods of time, you've got to cultivate virtue. Virtue in the American experience moral excellence, it comes from matters of the spirit, and the family and the church are beyond foundational. What's helped creates a great country like the United States of America. Well, Tim, just like when George Whitfield came to the colonies and he preached a message of repentance, and he had to show them what God and who God Almighty is all about. And just as you've stated, you know restoring the legacy of faith, freedom, and family. These are critical values that are endemic to Almighty God. And when he held that up to people, he said, look at we're not meeting the criteria here. We're failing, and we need to repent in order to align ourselves with the Holy God who is giving us this incredible opportunity to enjoy something that nobody else on the planet here tofore is enjoyed.

1:46:13 Don't you think it's interesting that the political class around whom I've lived in work nearly forty years as a Christian and as a conservative here in Washington, d C. Isn't it interesting that. The political class always and always is a word you have to use sparingly, but the political class always is promising the way forward for the United States of America. But the thing that I think is so confusing to millions of Americans is that we know at foundation that the things that really matter, the things that are the narrative of this book, are the things, as you say, Bill, that were the promissory note at the founding, And they are just as relevant, just as timely, just as topical, just as matchless as they are in twenty twenty six, as they were in seventeen seventy six. You've got to restore the foundations, and we have a monumental work of reclamation and revival ahead of us. That's why what really matters is the thing that people of all political stripes or no political stripes should should ultimately conclude, are the foundations that give us the greatness of the United States of America.

1:47:33 You know, some of the key principles that are ignored by the political class, and probably the biggest one is that we're a government of four by way the people. In my observation, Tim, there's been kind of a flip flop here. What should happen, as you know, being in Washington and around policy and everything, is that politics should be downstream culture. And what's happened And I'm not sure when Tim, maybe you know and you can enlighten us on, but something flipped the switch here to where it would happen is that culture became downstream of politics. I can tell you the fruit of that. We have a lot of angry people. We have a disunited United States right now, and it's because we're now we're dealing in the realm of theory and popular opinion. As opposed to those factual points that were established early on in our constitution. Is that fair?

1:48:29 Yeah, it is fair, And I'd like to pick up on that if I may, with precision Bill, because politics is downstream from culture. But culture and politics are downstream from things of the spirit. They're downstream from faith and the rightly ordered liberty. The greatness of our country is the things of the spirit first, then culture, then politics. Politics is a branch of ethics. And it's very interesting to me that George Orwell famously said, and I think he was right, that you can think that you can ignore politics until you can't. And it's not that we have to be preoccupied by politics, but the public square is the place where Christians have needed to engage, and I think need to engage more than ever.

1:49:16 I think it's manifestly clear. Yeah, because I think what you're pointing to here is politics is still, you know, a bit of a process. It doesn't come up with factual I mean this is, you know, some positive things about politics is that we can engage the culture, we can have a discussion and reason together, and when we're able to have diverse viewpoints, that are hoping and I guess aiming for the same goal, which is a more perfect union, then I think we can accomplish a lot more as opposed to You know, I'm just gonna hate you because you happen to be a Democrat or a Republican. Right. Oh yes, I remember my late great friend Bill Buckley famous in saying that liberals, all we say that they welcome all the opinions until they learn that there are other opinions.

1:50:06 And I may say the. Strength of this book, what really matters is the following, and it is I think easily said, which is that everyone is entitled to his own opinions, no doubt about that, but not everyone is entitled to his own facts. You know, I love one of our great founders, John Adams, very famous observations that facts, he said, Bill, facts are stubborn things. And that's why this book is organized over chapters like Restoring marriage, Restoring family, restoring faith, restoring the American male, Restoring what we consider to be the good life, restoring the importance of knowing American history. I mean, these are the kind of things I think, and we focus on the family. Believe in our two hundred and fiftieth year are the things worth and knowing and doing so that in the next two hundred and fifty years we can have a country that is thriving just as much or more than it ever has.

1:51:11 You know, Tim, what I love about what you just said is that it's not like this has to be you know, created. What it requires is a renewal, because this is what God has implanted in each you know, each member of his creation right in order to have things with peace, in order to enjoy liberty, to enjoy these God given virtues. And you know, when you have it, when you are at peace, and right now we're not at peace. But it's important, just like it was in the early two thousands, that the silent majority quits being silent. You know, it needs to come out. And I love your book because it will encourage people to say, you know what, Tim's right. You know, we're right. We need to come together and save I mean, instead of complaining about these young people that have been indoctrinated by progressive professors in this movement of socialism and all that. You know, when they're heading for a Cemen wall, it's up to us to say, hey, stop, you're heading to a wall.

1:52:12 You're going to kill yourself. Right, yes, and I'll tell you we are just past the season bill to your point of commencement addresses, And one of my favorite, which I write about, is the great commencement address given by Justice Clarence Thomas. He spoke at Hillsdale College, and he beautifully said that the other side of freedom, the other side of liberty, is moral excellence, moral. Excellence in the people and in the leaders. And he said that in the American experience, if you want liberty and freedom over time, you have to cultivate and nourish moral excellence and virtue in the people.

1:52:55 And this must begin at young ages. So part of what really meant is aimed at the rising generation of young Americans. We have to. Restate the obvious because very often when we speak about the greatness of marriage, the greatness of babies, the greatness of children, there are millions of young people who have grown up in such a broken and dysfunctional culture that they need to be reminded or maybe even told for the first time, why these institutions not only are great institutions, but why in their own lives they can be great institutions and the most important ones they'll ever be.

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