May 13, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 05 13 26

The Bill Martinez Show 05 13 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 05 13 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah?

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Okay, us doing Ill Martinez Live a program about current events,

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our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.

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Right now, Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Butsler, Public Policy,

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endless economics expert, professor of Finance at Stockton University in

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New Jersey. Mister Michael, how you doing, sir?

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I'm doing very well, Bill. Thanks for having me. As

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you know, it's always my pleasure.

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To be here. It's always great to have you here

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to talk about all things that have to do with

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our finances. One of the things I've been yelling and

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screaming about here recently, Michael, if I can divert for

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just a second, and that has to do with Social Security.

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As we continue to move closer and closer to bankruptcy.

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I mean, we're hearing maybe we might be lucky to

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get twenty thirty three, twenty thirty four unless something is

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done about it. But they're flat out ignoring it. And

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I am trying to rally everybody involved with Social Security

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and soon to be involved with Social Security to start

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screaming and yelling to Congress to say pay up, Suka.

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You owe us over two trillion dollars here, and you're

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ignoring this huge problem, and as.

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Right you should. The problem is a little worse than that.

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By when I looked at the numbers, it looked to

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me like they're going to run out of money in

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about five years twenty thirty one. So let me tell

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you this has a problem. This is a problem where

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there are no good solutions. There are no good solutions.

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So when you have a problem with no good solutions,

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you try to find the solution that's the least bad.

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So how do we do that? So there are three

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things we can do. So right now, we're spending more

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money than we're bringing in in tax income. So what

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can you do? One You can try to bring in

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more in tax income by raising the Social Security tax,

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which is all already at twelve point four percent. You

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pay half, your employer pays half for you, twelve point

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four percent. Some suggestions say raise that to fifteen percent.

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I think that's a counter productive. It's going to put

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a burden on working people and everybody I know if

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you ask them, are you over taxed? I live in

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New Jersey, so it's particularly cute, but they are everybody.

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Everybody's wearing a T shirt in New Jersey and says

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I'm over tax don't even ask exactly.

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So raising taxes I think is out of the question.

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Option two, you could reduce the benefit. Now you have

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people that are paid into that system for forty forty

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five fifty years, and you're going to tell them we're

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going to reduce your benefit. I don't think that's going

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to work. And secondly, we have a responsibility to elderly people,

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especially those who are paid in to make sure that

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they have sufficient income or at least the best we

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can do. So cutting benefits I don't think is an answer.

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Raising taxes I don't think is the answer. So what's

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the third option. The third option is to raise the

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retirement age. Now social Security is currently sixty seven. Medicare

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which is another problem, but social Security is currently sixty seven.

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I think that's got to be raised to at least

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seventy maybe in the future up to seventy two. Now,

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people tell me, I'll wait a minute, somebody who's sixty

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seven to ask them to work three more years. That's

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a pretty tough thing to do. And I say to them, look,

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when social Security was first passed in nineteen thirty five.

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You collected at sixty five. The average life expectancy was

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sixty seven, so you collected for a couple of years

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and the system worked. Today, people are living a lot longer.

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If you retire today, the Social Security will tell you

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plan to live for twenty years. They're telling you most

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people now are going to live well into their eighties.

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And when I look, not to be morbid, but when

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I look at the obituaries, I see people there every

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day in their nineties. Usually once or twice a week

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you see somebody it's over one hundred. You can't possibly

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start collecting at sixty seven I expect to collect for

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the next thirty years. Simply isn't going to work. So

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I would raise the retirement age up to seventies so

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you'll get people working a little longer. That will increase

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the revenue coming in. You'll get people retiring later, that'll

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reduce the revenue going down, and that should help solve

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the problem. Now, people say to me, that's not a

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good solution, and I agree with them, that's not a

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good solution. But it's the least bad solution that we

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can have of the three so I think raising the

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hirement age really, as soon as we can get around

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to doing it, it's probably the best alternative. We raise

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it from sixty five to sixty seven, and I do

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it gradually, we raise it. I think it's just going

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to have to go up further otherwise the system's not going.

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To work well. The thing is today, Michael, people are

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working longer, and they're working longer because they want to.

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It's not necessarily a social security thing. It's just, hey,

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look at I like my job. I like to stay productive.

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It's what keeps me alive. It gives me a reason

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to wake up every day. You know, it's a healthy decision.

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And I think that you can get in front of

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that in such a way that it could be positive.

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I don't think that that's much of agreements, especially as

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you say, when you look back when it first started,

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you know, the Actuary Table said here's here's the life expectancy,

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and this was a moderate deal. And of course I

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don't think that we and I say we the people,

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you know, realize the kind of nefarious people that we

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were electing into office that they would dare go to

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the treasury and steal the people's mind the way they

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have and to create a Ponzi scheme. You see, in

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addition to these things that you're talking, I think the

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retirement age, that's my favorite of what you offered. But

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what we're saying is that, look at I want to

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collect the tariff's money that we're collecting. I want fifty

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percent of that tariff's money to go in to social

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security anything that like right now, the money that's captured

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by the FBI from these drug cartels and these criminals

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and everything. Michael, do you know where that money goes

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when they collected.

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Into the treasury and it just goes in with all

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the other money.

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Yeah, I mean. And what I've heard also is that

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not only is it go it just in a general fund,

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which is like it's it's almost like, you know, like

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a little rainy day fund that they get to have

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to themselves, it also is almost to the it goes

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to the FBI, so they have almost like the first

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you know, DIBs on that money. And I'm saying, hey,

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all that money needs to go in to into replenishing

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the debt the Congress owes to the American people in

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excess of two trillion dollars and I think that if

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we started focusing on and saying, look at your number

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one job is to revive Social Security, get that money

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back there, maybe it would minimize some of the goofy

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things that these guys want to spend money on.

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Yeah, it certainly would. So I agree with you, Bill.

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Any way that you can increase revenue without raising taxes

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on anybody, I think is a great idea. And there

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are pockets of money that come in as you mentioned,

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that could go in to help, and you know, maybe

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that would not have to raise a retirement age quite

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as far as I think now, I think it's going

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to be seventy. I think within a few years I

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have to probably go up to seventy two. But maybe

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if you had some other revenue sources you could keep

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that number down a little bit.

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So, but I think you do have to deal, and

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I think most people are open minded to look at

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and say, okay, we need to raise it some moderate level,

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you know, six, and you do it incrementally, as you said,

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you know, from sixty seven, you know, maybe every two

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year whatever, you just add a year. Because the fact

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of the matter is is that, hey, you know, of

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all the bad things have been saying about the life

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expectancy and what's happening and the dangers here in America.

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You know, people are living longer. You know our medicine.

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You know, with all the scrutiny our medicine has gone through,

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you know, maybe they're doing a better job. I think

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people's lifestyles are such that they're eating healthier. They're really

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have taken to heart what Yogi Bear said that when

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he said that if I knew I was going to

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live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.

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I think people are taking better care of themselves.

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Yeah, I do too. My kids are in their thirties

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and they exercise it regularly. They eat healthy. I keep

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telling them, you do this, and you're going to live

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very long life. I have a calling of my as

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a future I'll I'll tell you what.

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Let's go to quick break. We'll pick it up on

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the other side, We've got more from doctor Michael Butler.

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Hey, welcome back, Bill Martinis air with doctor Michael Butler.

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He is the public policy analyst, economics expert, and professor

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of finance at Stockton University in New Jersey. Michael, you

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were talking about a friend before we went to break

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go ahead.

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Yeah, So a friend of mine, a college professor. He's

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a futurist. He says to me, the children born today

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are likely to live well over one hundred now, he said.

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I don't know if it's right or wrong. That's just

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what he said to me. He said to me, the

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person has already been born who will live to be

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one hundred and fifty. Wow, I don't know if that's right. Wrong.

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Well, the actuary tables then, haven't they adjusted him to

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one hundred and twenty? Now?

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I think they have.

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I think they have.

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So if people are living longer, you can't start collecting

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Social Security at sixty seven. If we're going to live

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to be well over one hundred, So we're going to

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have to adjust that, and I agree with it's a

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problem we have to face sooner rather than later, because

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we only have five, six seven years until This is

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a huge problem.

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Michael or The other thing is that you allow people

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to use their retirement money to invest. I mean, you

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know you're a student of this. You've got to imagine

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if the people had the ability to invest this retirement

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money in the stock market, what would their portfolios look

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like today?

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Yeah, remember George Bush wanted to privatize this.

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Oh they look feathered, they've tardened. Better to kill them.

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But he said, look, you're putting this money away. The

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government is not holding this money for you to you

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turn of sixty five. You mentioned Ponzi scheme, and it's

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similar to that. So you pay Social Security taxes. Now,

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they take the money and they give recipients who are

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collecting right now your money. And the theory is when

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you get to be sixty seven, the people then were

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working at that time will pay for your solid security.

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It might work if the population mix stayed relatively constant,

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but we have these huge baby boomers, a huge percentage

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of the population that are retirement age now, plus birth

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rates in the last particularly the last fifteen twenty years,

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have gone way down. Colleges are facing a problem now.

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They called an enrollment cliff. So what's happening is in

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two thousand and eight we're in the financial crisis, birth

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rates went way down. So here it is eighteen years later.

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There's not a whole lot of eighteen year olds. So

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colleges are worried about enrollments going forward. The point is

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that social Security only works when you have twenty percent

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collecting and eighty percent working. Now we have a larger

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percentage collecting a smaller percentage working, and the system isn't

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going to work. We've got to deal with this sooner

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rather than later.

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Plus the cost of living and inflation, everything's all having

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an impact on those funds. And you know, and what

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kind of performance has the government done on behalf of

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the American people. And the thing that galls me, Michael, is,

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look at it. Look at what they've done with all

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this money. They've stolen the money, and they keep throwing

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iou jets to somehow cover some kind of you know,

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moral integrity or or discover it altogether by saying, oh yeah, well,

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we owe you know, the Social Security Fund. There's kind

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of money. But look what they've done in terms of

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performance versus what they've done on behalf of a block

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of union union employees who they've made promises to and

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they make and they give them guarantees on returns of

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their investment and the retirement fund. But yet from us

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that they're stealing money only because the elected you know,

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the elected officials are rewarded with a vote from union people.

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You know, they're covered, their action is covered. But yet

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you know, for us as Social Security participants, we're left

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out in the desert, Thank you very much.

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You know, that's another problem. The politicians are concerned with

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solving the problems that they have to now. If something's

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going to be a problem further in the future, we'll

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just kick the can down the road. Let the next

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person in figure it out. Well, with social security, we're

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at the end of the road. You can't kick it down.

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The public debt, we're at the end of the road.

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You can't kick the can down any further. These are

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problems that we have to face really today, otherwise there'll

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be a tremendous problem for our children and our grandchildren

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we don't want to leave that kind of a burden

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on our heirs. So we have to deal with these

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problems really sooner rather than later.

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And you want to take care of the problems when

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you have assets that you can mitigat or that you

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can move around, which I believe we do, whether we're

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talking about tariffs, whether we're talking about other ways in

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which our country can generate revenue, what Donald Trump's doing

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in terms of you know, even with oil and how

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you know, what kind of industry that's going to open

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up AI. We've got people coming in, you know, outside

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of the country, trillions of dollars that they want to

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invest and have declared that they're going to invest in

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the country. Well, you know, maybe some of that, you know,

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maybe the people should get a little big and put

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into social Security, right, because we've got these assets that

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are here, and Donald Trump is showing us and demonstrating

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clearly at least for you know, the people in America

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that can see it and have eyes to see it, saying,

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wait a minute, there's a lot of gold in them

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the Oar hills. All we got to do is be

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smart about it, and we can cure some of these

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ills that we've accumulated over the years, don't you think.

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I certainly do. And when you talk about some the ills,

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take a look at the waste fraud and abuse that

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they're finding now, billions of dollars of this, people collecting

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money that aren't supposed to collect money. The Los Angeles

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they had hundreds of hospice facilities and one block radius

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and all this money that's going out. When Elon Musk

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took a look at Doze, he said, you can probably

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cut out five hundred billion dollars a year half a

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trillion dollars a year in waste fraud and abuse. Now

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people said, well that's a little, but it's start to

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take a look at where those areas were, and if

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we just cut that down, that would really help the

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deficit problem. And the public debt won't solve it completely,

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but it's a good first step. We can't take taxpayer

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money and just throw it away while we're in the

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situation that we're in now.

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Well, like you said, everybody's tax to death already. I mean,

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they don't want to hear about getting taxed more, especially

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when the government has proven that it's incapable, it's too big,

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it can't manage itself. That's part of the problem. And

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so here it's fully exposed. And I guess this is

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what was freaking them out, doctor Bustler when Elon Musk

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and the Dose team came in, is they started exposing

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all this fraudened waste. And at one time, you say

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five hundred billion a year. I mean, think about that,

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because this is what the belt weight they always think

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in terms of ten year spans, well, five hundred billion

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a year. I mean you're talking, you know, you're talking

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five trillion dollars.

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Over ten year period.

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Mean, and what could you do with that money, not

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only buying down the deficit, but you could put it

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to something to work positively as opposed to you know,

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what you're doing is you're creating a dependent and a

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manipulative class of people who you know, they rally around

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because they know what makes makes the I keep saying,

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the wheels on the bus go round and round in

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the Beltway. And it's about the vote. And so just

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like they've done in Minneapolis, right, eighty thousand Somalis come

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in as a block of votes, you know, for the

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Democratic Party and they controlled the state. Michael, I think.

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It's horrible, and they've evidence seems to be uncovered now

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that there's a lot of money that those people have

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been simply stealing from us. He saw the guy caught

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in the Ohio airport with a million dollars in cash

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in his bag. Here's stories. Just yesterday I heard a

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story about a nonprofit and the guys are driving Lamborghini's

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and Ferrari sports cars and just ripping off the American

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public at a time when we can't afford it. President Trump,

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I think is taking the right position. Remember we talked

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about before what made the country great individual freedom and

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individual responsibility. Now the Democrats they want to change that.

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They want to limit your freedom and don't worry, the

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government will take care of you. You don't have to

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take care of yourself. As you said, that makes people

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dependent on the government. And people should realize the government

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doesn't have any money. All they have is what they

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take from the taxpayers. So when you're saying the government

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will take care of me, you're asking somebody else to

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take care of you. Now somebody else has to take

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care of themselves and they have to take care of you.

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It's a system that can't work going forward. Every time

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every economy that's tried this heavy socialism has failed, and

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for that reason will fail too. I don't know what

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these Mandami and all these other people are talking about here.

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This will not work in the US. It's counter to

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the beliefs of the US, and it's counter to what

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made us the greatest country in the world in a

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relatively short short period of time.

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Well, doctor Michael Butler, there is hope, and my hope

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is in the American people that we will get control

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of our country. Because this is supposed to be a

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government of for by we the people, not of for

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by the elites, the ruling elites in the administrative state.

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We must take our country back. He's the public policy analyst,

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economics expert, and professor of finance at Stockton University in

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New Jersey. Doctor Michael Butler, thank you, Michael, Take care

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of God speed my friend.

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All right, always my pleasure.

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Hey, good morning, Welcome, Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here along with Jenny Beth Martin, the president

518
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co founder of a few party Patriots Action Heymous. Jenny Beth,

519
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How are we doing?

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00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:06.200
I am doing great? How are you?

521
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:06.480
Bill?

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Hey?

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I'm doing terriffic watching all things you know that's happening

524
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in our government, I mean, God's answering prayers. I just

525
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.079
have this sense that you know, it's good to be

526
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.599
on the winning side. Let's just put it that way.

527
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The way things are happening with Iran, the way Donald Trump,

528
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.720
our president, has been playing this out, it's it's quite genius.

529
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.759
And then also what's happening on the domestic front with

530
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the redistricting war that was supposedly going to happen, and

531
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.920
the Democrats are getting slept down, and you know their

532
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.279
manipulation is not working.

533
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.240
Yeah, you're exactly right when it comes to Iran. He

534
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is making sure that we take care of a forty

535
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:53.319
seven year old problem. Iran has killed Americans. They are

536
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.079
they are if they are able to, they would destroy

537
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Israel and do everything they can to harm America and Americans.

538
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They've made that very clear.

539
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They've I'm not hanging on one second. Let me interrupt you

540
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.240
for just a second. What you just said. You and

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00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:12.680
I can see that very clearly. The other side where

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00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.480
what how delusional are they? What planet are they on?

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As you mentioned, forty seven years of destruction, over a

544
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thousand Americans they have killed. And you hear these Democratic

545
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.319
elected officials going, well, there's no proof.

546
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:32.519
Yeah, we do hear there's no proof. I think that

547
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some of it may be a little bit generational.

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Bill.

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00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.680
I was nine, well eight years old when the hostages

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were taken, and I remember that that is probably the

551
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.799
very first political event that I well, maybe not I

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00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:50.880
remember on the Jimmy Carter election in America two hundred,

553
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but I think that was the first major political event

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that I can even remember.

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And it lasted every single day.

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Every time you turn on the radio, every time time

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you turned on the news, you would hear how many

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days American hostages had been held in captivity in Iran,

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and so it kind of seeps in, well, it not

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just seeps into your consciousness, it is drilled into.

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Your head, but then it affects you and you remember

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that for the rest of your life.

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But I was eight, So if you were a couple

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of years younger than me, you don't remember that. And

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that means basically anyone who's fifty four or maybe fifty

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three and younger, they don't even remember those issues. And

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so the rest of the problems that we've seen from

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Iran they aren't quite as plugged into. If you haven't

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paid attention to the oppression of women, if you haven't

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paid attention to the way that they pretty much slaughter

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people who have protested and just exercised their free speech.

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A lot of it doesn't make a lot of sense

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if you haven't paid attention to the attacks that Iran

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has directed on American apps, or the payments they've made

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to terror proxies who have harmed both Israel and America.

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You know, I mean, normal people in America. You're going

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about your life, you just aren't paying quite as much attention.

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I'll cut some leeway there. But the President of the

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United States, all of the presidents since Jimmy Carter, they've

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known about this problem. They all have known about the problem.

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And this president right now realizes we have the military

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capability to solve this problem once and for all. And

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I want to see it solved once and for all.

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I don't want to have to deal with Iran in

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a few months or a few years from now yet again.

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And I hope that President Trump will be able to

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solve it once and for all.

588
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.240
My question, Jenny Beth, I mean, you make a good

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point as far as the younger generation, but there's sixty

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and seventy year old elder statesman. Where are they in

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terms of you know, kind of bringing to light and

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00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.920
understanding the next generation of elected officials. But all for

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00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.079
the sake of ideology and hatred of Trump and America

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00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.440
and his values. They just, you know, let this run

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to just create, you know, conflict and confusion within our

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own country.

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Jenny bet Yeah, you're exactly right, Bill, And they have

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forgotten the way that it used to be. When we

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00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.880
have problems in America, we complain, but when we're looking

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at problems outside of the country, we leave our problems

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of the shore and understand that we are Americans. They're

602
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:40.000
not treating President Trump that way whatsoever. When President Obama

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got Osama bin Lauden, I was thankful that he got

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00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.279
Osama bin Lauden.

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This was a good thing that he was able to do.

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I didn't sit there and go, I don't like Obama careen,

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I don't like this, and I don't like that.

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That President Obama has done.

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So I don't like that he also got Osama bin

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Laden and I was able to be intellectually honest enough

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to understand that that was something that I thought was

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good for our country. The Democrat Party has lost all

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intellectual honesty as far as I can tell there, and

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00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.920
so many of them are just consumed by hatred for

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00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.359
President Trump. The hatred is making them irrational and it's

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eating away at them.

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Yeah, and the thing is the unfunction. They hate Trump,

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and by association, they hate anybody who supports Trump or

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loves America and supports American values. And it's tough. I mean,

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I'm here in California right now. I've been here for

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00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.720
almost two weeks, and it's quite quite a study in

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00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.799
socialism and and how how degraded the Golden States. I

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00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.680
was born and raised here. I'm in the area. I

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00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.680
mean at radio stations that I used to drive to.

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I've been by a couple of times. In fact, I'm

626
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going to go to another one later on this morning.

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And you know, the the people, the massive humanity sleeping

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00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:08.519
under the underpasses of the freeway. It's heartbreaking. And there's

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no solution from Karen Bassard, Gavin Newsom.

630
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No, there's no solution.

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We're seeing in California is what we see in every

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00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:21.400
country where socialism has tried. Socialism fails everywhere it is tried,

633
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and it is failing in California as well. That's why

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crime is up, that's why they have the problems that

635
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you just mentioned with homelessness.

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It's why there are so.

637
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.079
Many issues in California. It's why the cost of living

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00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.800
is so extraordinarily high. It's why people who make money,

639
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the billionaires, are leaving the state. It's why so many

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companies have left the state. When you have that much

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00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.480
government overreach, it makes it very difficult for a company

642
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to be in business, to be headquartered in California, and

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to deal with the taxes that come from California. And

644
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.760
it is not to say that California has no companies.

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Obviously they do, and they have some of the greatest

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country companies.

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In the world.

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But they also are dealing with the founders of those

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00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.840
companies wanting to leave and not be there anymore and

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not live there.

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And it's sad.

652
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.840
It's a beautiful state, and it has so much potential

653
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.760
in so many natural resources, and when the government gets

654
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:31.000
involved in direct resources and directs economic choices, failure often happens.

655
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.639
Yeah, the sad part. I mean one of my favorite

656
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cities of San Francisco, and that city is a shell

657
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.960
of itself. Jenny Beth. I mean they hire people. I

658
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.480
think they're paying them sixty seventy thousand dollars a year

659
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.880
just to go around the city to pick up human thess.

660
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Yeah, it's absolutely terrible. And then San Francisco. I haven't

661
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.559
been to San Francisco in several years. It is so

662
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.639
outrageously expensive. The last time I was there, I was

663
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.840
talking to uber dry and people like working in the

664
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.880
hotels and they had to they have to live so

665
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.280
far out or they're just living in tiny little rooms

666
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.679
rented inside somebody's house. Yet in other parts of the country,

667
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:18.079
like see in Florida or Georgia or other parts of

668
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.440
the country, you could be an uber driver and provide

669
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.679
for your family if you if you hustle, and it's

670
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just it's it's awful. It's it's such a beautiful state,

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and it has so much potential. And I think if they,

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if the voters win, the voters finally wizen up, they

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will we'll be able to see that potential again.

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I think so too. I think it can be revived

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with the right leadership. We've got about a minute left

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here the Save Act. Let's we got to stay on

677
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.880
top of that. We have got to continue to push

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to make that happen before the midterms.

679
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Right, Yeah, that is exactly right.

680
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So it is pretty much stalled out and the Senate,

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and the Senate has basically shelved the Save Act for now.

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So what are the Save America Act?

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So what do we do our next next steps? Instead

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00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.880
of focusing on the Senate at the moment, we need

685
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to make phone calls to the House of Representatives and

686
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.239
we need to tell the House of Representatives. Tell your

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00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.199
congressman to vote for the Save America Act yet again,

688
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.480
which would be like the fourth time the House has

689
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done it, and this time attach it to must pass legislation.

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That means legislation that the Senate will feel like it

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must vote for.

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And if you just.

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Say I want you to vote for it and attach

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it to must pass legislation, the congressman's office will understand

695
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what you're saying.

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That's the strategy. Jenny Beth working to go.

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For more information, go to Tea Partypatriots dot org, Tea

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Party Patriots dot org, and you can find me on

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all the social media sites, said Jenny Beth m Emason Martin.

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Jenny Beth Martin, the president, co founder of the Tea

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Party Patriots, Thank you, Jenny Beth, Thank you, Bell. Take care.

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Let's talk about immigration enforcement that is having a tough

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time talking about thriving. I mean, it's like, you know,

782
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we've got a part of our country that just doesn't

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believe in immigration enforcement. Though clearly a mandate was given

784
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to Donald Trump to do something about it. You know,

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this is why he was elected. I mean, because it

786
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was a clear choice. I mean, you could have elected

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Kamala Harris and it had been the same as usual.

788
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We'd now be up to probably forty fifty million illegal

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immigrants in our country. But Donald Trump comes in on

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day one says, this is how you you know, you

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close the border. You just say, hey, close the border.

792
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Right absolutely, And the problem is not with Donald Trump.

793
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The problem is with Congress. Congress has put up bills

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in multiple sessions that are in symbolic nature only, and

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it has not been yielding results. We have a status

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quo when most of the House representatives have a C

797
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or a B on immigration, and then many of them

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have C plus's and d's, So we have a problem

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where we're not uniform on this issue of immigration. We're

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uniform when we're last year when we were talking about

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that immigration is the eighty two percent the top issue

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that we should be fixing. But when it comes time

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to fix it, Congress states broken. Congress state's disjointed, and

804
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there's a lot of backstabbing that goes.

805
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On because they make money on a broken issue, they

806
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don't want to fix it. I mean, look at you know,

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if you think about it historically and Drake and you

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started running the regis and count how much they have

809
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generated in fundraising for their individual interest and their survival.

810
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I mean, it tells you everything you need to know.

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They don't want to solve a problem because they don't

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get paid for it. Because what happens is they leave

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the problem out there and then they go back to

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their constituencies and say, I'm going to fix the problem.

815
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What how many reelections have you said you're going to

816
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fix the problem? Well, it wasn't me, it's that guy

817
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from Georgia. You know, they're the ones. They're the I mean,

818
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it's the blame game. And somehow they continue on with

819
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this narrative and we the people are stuck.

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Absolutely, and we have to not get weary in doing

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good because at the end of the day, there are

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people depending on us. Our children are our future. How

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are we going to ensure that their future is competitive

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in the job market if we're creating policies or not

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creating that enforced immigration that lowered the h one bs

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that give them a competitive advantage instead of giving a

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leg up to every immigrant.

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That would like to come to this country and be

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a citizen.

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Well, what kind of America do you want twenty years

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from now? Right? I mean, let's start with that. You know,

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what is your vision for America? Our founding fathers started

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with that. They gave up their lives, their reputation, you know,

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their treasure for the sake of this American dream. That, yes,

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has been evolving and I think in some regards has

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gotten better. Other regards, you know, you question it, but

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nonetheless we've been able to reason together, and you know,

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we're on the verge of celebrating two hundred and fifty years. Well,

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if we don't get the rules of engagement down and

840
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really understand what it's all about, because you know, you

841
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look at the difference between the Republican and Democratic Party

842
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before they could talk, they could cross aisles and have

843
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a discussion because the goal seemed to be consistent and similar.

844
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The difference was more of the process. How do we

845
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:14.840
get there? Okay, let's argue that now it's apples and oranges.

846
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It's a whole nother ballgame. I mean, it's like, wait

847
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.760
a minute. What you're talking about and what you're envisioning

848
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is not the America that my grandfather taught me about,

849
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or or my father, or not the America that I

850
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.039
served the military for and served our country for for

851
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freedom's sake, You're talking about a whole other country. That

852
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.119
has no semblance of the country of America that I

853
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grew up with.

854
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.840
Absolutely, and you've hit it right on the head because

855
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they are not no longer serving Americans. They're serving their

856
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own self interests. And to give you a perfect example,

857
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I went back into my family tree and I went

858
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back five six seven generations back to eighteen oh eight,

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and each one of my grandfathers they were farmers, some

860
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tobacco pullars, some maintenance men on a farm. But all

861
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of a sudden, and i'd say around the year two thousand,

862
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policies dictated that we flood Halifax County and other places,

863
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:24.719
all small rural areas with illegal immigrants to do the

864
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.440
job for less and for these people. For over two

865
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.360
hundred years, my family members were working in farmers and

866
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.079
all of a sudden we hear that farming is not

867
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.239
a black job. Well, it was a black job when

868
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I was doing it during the summers when I was

869
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in middle.

870
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School and high school.

871
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But now they're.

872
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Saying that these farm jobs in Americans are not interested.

873
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.679
We're going back like two hundred years and we're seeing

874
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:53.199
generation after generation after generation be involved. So it's not

875
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.000
the narratives, it is the policies, and we have to

876
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.760
pressure these elected officials to put policies in place that

877
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pre TechEd American jobs.

878
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.800
Well, black or Hispanics don't want to look at farming

879
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for a buck and a quarter an hour, that's right.

880
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And so what's happened is they have reduced the cost

881
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of labor to such a way that really and the

882
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:18.239
thing is under as you know, because of your farming background.

883
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.000
It's not the traditional farmer. It's the corporate farmer that

884
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.440
has come in, right, so that they have a preference

885
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.679
for who they want to bring in. Of course they

886
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.960
want cheap labor. So here we go. This is how

887
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.320
the wheels on the bus go round and round. You

888
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.880
get government intervention, and they interfered with this and they've

889
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:41.360
created a different industry instead of letting it play itself

890
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.199
out like it did for you know, five generations in

891
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.840
your family exactly.

892
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And I think the most important thing that we just

893
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.119
have to drive home with, especially your listeners and anybody

894
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.599
else listening to this in the future, is that we

895
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.400
are on the clock.

896
00:48:58.880 --> 00:48:59.639
We have a.

897
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.559
Majority in the House and a slim majority in the Senate.

898
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.599
If all we leave with is the Lake and Riley Act,

899
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:13.440
and money appropriated for ice enforcement, which we've run out of. Now,

900
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:19.199
then this would be a failed attempt at doing the

901
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:20.079
will of the people.

902
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:21.559
The people ask to.

903
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.960
Fix our immigration policies, and Congress is not doing it,

904
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:26.960
and we need to continue to hold their feet to

905
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.400
the fire.

906
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.440
Well, they're going to hold the Republicans lible for this

907
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.480
in much the same way. And I keep reminding them

908
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.760
and it's almost like, you know, forget the Democrats. They're

909
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.719
off the reservation. You know, there's not enough therapy to

910
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.360
help them right now. They're just so sold out. But

911
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.039
the Republican Party, it's them you want to get in

912
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.719
the room to say, look at you have got to

913
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.760
You've got to make a mark here. What is your legacy?

914
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.599
Otherwise you're going to be like the Congress that couldn't

915
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:59.400
repeal and replace Obamacare, and look what happened to them then, exactly.

916
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.519
And that's why we have to be unified. And I

917
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hope that President Trump, the activists on the ground and

918
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.719
people that are members of Numbers USA and your listeners

919
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.280
continue to pressure these elected officials because we have to

920
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.880
get them to do some work. We have a situation

921
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.840
where only according to our grade cards, there are four

922
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.480
Democrats that have higher than a F so there's not

923
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:31.280
going to be much across the aisle voting that's going

924
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.840
to happen around immigration policy. So what we need to

925
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.519
do is make sure that we're unified and pressure these

926
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.199
Republicans to do the right thing and to put bills

927
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.679
ahead that actually help Americans.

928
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.840
See what you just laid out really helps us understand

929
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.119
the problem. When you only have four Democrats that have

930
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.840
better than F rating, you know that you're going to

931
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.119
have to if you're a Republican conservative, you're going to

932
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.400
have to carry the weight. You're not only going to

933
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.400
have to carry yours, You're going to have to carry

934
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:03.880
the weight of the Democrat that's so resistant because they

935
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.760
hate Trump and you know what other part of the agenda.

936
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.599
It's like, you know, to me, it just seems so

937
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.679
academic under it and like you and I are talking,

938
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.159
is like what is in the best interests of America

939
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.800
and Americans? Right? And that does not seem that that

940
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.119
question is not being answered by Democrats and dare I

941
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.760
say even Republicans because it's not like all the Republicans

942
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.000
have an A score, right.

943
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.079
That's right, Absolutely, we have a lot of Republicans with

944
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.480
the C plus's and d's, So we need to get

945
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.519
them on track and get them up to snuff to

946
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.920
get them to b's and eventually a's. But we that's

947
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:40.800
where we need to stop.

948
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:41.599
Start there.

949
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.480
We need to be unified and have more of our

950
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.119
Republicans be at least a B plus or an A

951
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.000
so that we can pass legislation that makes sense and

952
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.599
helps the American people well.

953
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:57.119
And these representatives need to represent their people and not

954
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.480
not corporate America that has come in and take over

955
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.679
let's just say farming, like we talked about earlier. I mean,

956
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:08.239
their interests are not consistent with the everyday American. For them,

957
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.440
it's about the Benjamins in a sense. Right, if I

958
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:17.039
can borrow somebody else's church and so at the expense

959
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.920
of the American people and the traditional American farmer, that's right.

960
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:22.920
That's right.

961
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.239
And this is what we've seen, and it's a breakdown

962
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.880
from what we've seen in the wages of Americans just

963
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fifty years ago. We've seen the wages of Americans go

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is a privilege, it's not a right, and it should

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

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Hey, good morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez. Here six minutes

1002
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after the top of the hour, Jeff Dornick is going

1003
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.960
to be joining us. He is a tech CEO, founder

1004
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of the free speech driven platform Pickax, and host of

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The Jeff Dornick Show, which only makes sense. Hey, Jeff,

1006
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:48.599
welcome to show. Good to have you with us.

1007
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:49.639
Hey, thanks for having me.

1008
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.920
Oh well, you know, as I mentioned to you, I

1009
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.000
flew in from Florida. Here in California, my home state,

1010
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.440
born and raised, been in Florida for the last and

1011
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.400
now fifteen years, and you know, I'm seeing the shock

1012
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.840
of the gas bunk myself. One of my dear friends

1013
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.079
told me the other day that he found himself at

1014
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.400
a gas station. It was desperate. He was on zero

1015
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.440
I had to get gas and he paid eight fifty

1016
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.320
a gallon of gas. You know, it's bad enough in Florida.

1017
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.000
I mean, it wasn't that long ago we were paying

1018
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:21.039
two fifty and now it's a little over four dollars.

1019
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.519
So you know, the senior citizens, they are getting a

1020
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.360
little bit cranky. But you know, nonetheless, we figure, well

1021
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.159
we'll wait it out here because it might be worth

1022
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.639
the investment to make sure that Iran doesn't have a

1023
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:32.719
nuclear bomb, right.

1024
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.239
Yeah, well, you know, it's like you know, I think

1025
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.519
the other day I filled up at almost seven dollars

1026
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.400
a gallon down here in Orange County, and so it's

1027
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.960
absolutely bonkers that the prices are where it is. And

1028
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.639
I think that you know, on one hand, again, yes,

1029
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:50.480
when you're talking about like national security and all that

1030
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.559
kind of stuff, you know, Trump has to make decisions

1031
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:56.280
that he's got to make and all of that. Unfortunately,

1032
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.360
I think that we're going to have to be prepared

1033
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.159
as we're heading into the as we're heading into the

1034
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.599
midterms on how do we overcome these objections where people

1035
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.480
are literally struggling, because when you think about these gas

1036
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.119
prices are are impacting not not more. It's more than

1037
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.079
just you know how much it costs to fill up

1038
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.960
your car, but it's also impacting food prices and product

1039
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.039
prices and all that as we're heading into midterms. To me,

1040
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.199
that's it's a little bit concerning on how are the

1041
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.719
Republicans going to overcome that that line of argument when

1042
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.239
people are looking at their at their bank accounts and like,

1043
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.079
I don't have enough money to keep buying all these things.

1044
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:38.159
Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, it's still an affordability issue.

1045
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.480
Which amazes me because the afford ability issue became an

1046
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.000
issue because of what Biden and the policies of the

1047
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.679
left gave us, and Trump has been trying to dig

1048
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:49.719
us out. And of course with the big beautiful bill,

1049
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.599
people are realizing now in the tax season, their returns

1050
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:56.079
are higher than expected. You know, no tax on tips,

1051
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.719
you know, some of these things are offsetting the headwinds

1052
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.480
of these increase in costs that we're dealing with. But

1053
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:05.880
I think the American people when they're and they seem

1054
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.800
to be understanding this, Jeff, which is good because the

1055
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.800
latest poll is showing this is from Harvard Harris that

1056
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:16.920
the less negative narrative isn't working. Seventy four percent of Americans,

1057
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:21.360
including sixty percent of self identified Democrats, believe we are

1058
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.079
winning the war. So shock of shocks, you know, for

1059
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.360
Hakim Jefferies and Chuck Schumer, Right.

1060
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.559
Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Well, you know, and I

1061
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.840
think I think specifically with you know, interestingly interestingly enough,

1062
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.039
I think I think with this war in Iran, you know,

1063
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:41.280
both both Democrats and Republicans have kind of coalesced around

1064
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.559
around it for whatever reason. Again, it's it's still starkly divided.

1065
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:48.000
There's a certain percentage of Republicans that are opposed to it,

1066
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.199
There's a certain percentage of Democrats that are opposed to it.

1067
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.639
But also the same goes on you know, that are pro,

1068
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.239
that are pro And that's been the interesting thing about

1069
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.000
everything and related in relation to the Middle East, especially

1070
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.480
over the last couple of years, is that I feel

1071
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.000
like everything used to always be Democrat versus Republican in

1072
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.039
almost every decision. And then, for whatever reason, you know,

1073
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:11.280
after October seventh, with what happened with Israel, you began

1074
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:13.519
to see this splintering of both the Democrat Party and

1075
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.639
the Republican Party into where now whether you're talking about Israel,

1076
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.519
whether you're talking about Iran, whether you're talking about all

1077
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.760
these kind of like foreign policy issues specifically, it seems

1078
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.480
to be dividing not based upon Democrat or Republican, but

1079
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.360
actually splitting both parties, which has been a really interesting

1080
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:28.079
dynamic to me.

1081
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:31.679
Well, the rhetoric out there, and if you're not an

1082
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:33.679
informed voter, you know, we say on our show all

1083
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.800
the time, own your own knowledge, don't just take our word.

1084
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.039
You know, here Bill and Jeff we're having a conversation there.

1085
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.920
You know, we're sending information out to you, things that

1086
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.360
we've researched and discovered. But I say, don't take my

1087
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.920
word for it as gospel. You need to own your

1088
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:51.639
own knowledge, be a responsible voter, and understand what's going on.

1089
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.400
And it seems that more and more, especially the young people, Jeff,

1090
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.639
they they're tired of all the bs and you know,

1091
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:00.480
and what they want is to try with the whole

1092
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.519
truth and nothing but and this has been our commitment

1093
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:03.920
of this radio show from day one.

1094
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.719
Yeah, and it's in some important that you know, you

1095
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.800
know that that's my whole mission with with with pick

1096
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:12.400
Axes is to allow differing opinions to come in and

1097
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.960
let's discuss and debate. And I keep trying to reinforce

1098
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.760
this idea on my show on social and all of

1099
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:21.719
that of when you when you take an information, don't

1100
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:23.880
just look at it from does this help my team?

1101
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:26.159
Does this help my party? Does this help you know,

1102
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.920
my position? Take a look at it from the perspective

1103
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.360
of is there truth even is there a grain of

1104
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.960
truth somewhere in there on some argument argument that's being made,

1105
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.599
and then say do I need to reevaluate does it

1106
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:42.079
reinforce my position? Is there an argument that doesn't overcome

1107
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.960
my objections? And let's look at things intellectually. You know, honestly,

1108
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:47.639
when when you think about it, I think that that

1109
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.320
that's something that's really been lacking as of late. The tribalism,

1110
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:55.039
I think has been very concerning to me and to

1111
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.079
where you know, what you're seeing as you're seeing a

1112
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.559
lot of the lot of this younger crowd, like what

1113
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.679
you said, where you know, they don't trust anything that

1114
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:05.559
comes from the government. I don't trust anything that comes

1115
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:07.599
out of the government, you know, on every which agency

1116
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.920
you can possibly think of. They've lost our trust. They

1117
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.079
need to earn it back. And I think that that's

1118
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.079
where when we're looking at things, we're like, Okay, so

1119
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.599
you're telling us that you released all the Epstein files,

1120
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.719
but did you really You're telling us that Epstein killed himself,

1121
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.840
but did he really? You're telling this about nine to eleven?

1122
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.079
And then that then leads to mistrust when it comes

1123
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.239
to the arguments being made about our foreign policy of

1124
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.119
what's going on on. I ran, should we be invading

1125
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.719
Cuba and overthrowing the government in Cuba? Should we be

1126
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.800
dealing with all of these things when our government has

1127
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.840
lost the trust of that a certain segment of the

1128
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:41.599
American people.

1129
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.599
Yeah, well, you're exactly right, And this is what we

1130
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.440
have positive it on you know, our show as well, Jeff,

1131
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.119
just like you, is that you've got to pursue the

1132
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.360
truth no matter what it is. And we've lost faith.

1133
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.079
You know, we were saying for the longest time, all

1134
01:00:56.119 --> 01:01:00.199
the three letter agencies within our government are compromised. And

1135
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.199
look what's happening. Of course, we find out Donald Trump

1136
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.079
gets reelected, We're starting to find out all this stuff

1137
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:09.719
that you know, it's just business as usual that's been

1138
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.679
going on. I mean, look at how long has it

1139
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.519
been since the jfk assassination. We still don't know the

1140
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.119
truth of that, right, So it's like, you know, there's

1141
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:21.320
such a serious mess within the government, and here we

1142
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.719
are thirty nine trillion dollars in debt and growing. And

1143
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.199
as I've talked with, you know, several financial econ experts

1144
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.559
and say, tell me how much of that thirty nine

1145
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.400
trillion is not tied to vote getting? And they said,

1146
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.519
probably every single bit of it. So if that tells

1147
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.840
you it's all about getting votes, then we've lost sight

1148
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.719
of what the clear mission is. The clear mission. And

1149
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.960
I said you and you're saying tribalism, I say partisan politics,

1150
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.599
this Republican versus Democrat stuff. It can't be that. It's

1151
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.440
got to be you either are for America or you're

1152
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:55.760
against America. You either for the constitution or against the constitution.

1153
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.599
Forget about the party representation. I mean, I want you,

1154
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.280
I want your diverse point because like the old saying says,

1155
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.480
if two people in the room have the same, uh,

1156
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.559
the same ideas one of us is redundant and none necessary.

1157
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.800
Right, Yeah, well, you know and I think that that

1158
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.800
you know, for me, there's two different angles that I

1159
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.719
look at this specifically, is that I don't see things

1160
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.599
happening in this in the country right now, especially when

1161
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.400
we're talking politics and federal government decisions as Democrat versus Republican,

1162
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.719
because both parties are kind of in cahoots with with

1163
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.840
with each other, and I've seen the other side of politics.

1164
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:27.920
You know, they're you know you you know, both sides

1165
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.199
need a boogeyman to campaign against to raise money and

1166
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.400
stay in control and all that kind of stuff. So

1167
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.599
there's that components. But but but then on on the

1168
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.480
on the on the on the flip side, it's like,

1169
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:40.199
I think I've got to I've got a really big

1170
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:44.360
concern within the Republican Party. Uh specifically where when Trump

1171
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:48.559
ran this last time around in in in twenty four, Uh,

1172
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.840
it was this big tent party mentality. I mean, you

1173
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.159
brought in Rfk Junior, you bring in Elon Musk, you

1174
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.840
bring in Tulci Gabbert, and it was like, let's go

1175
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.519
big tent. Let's you know, we take the it's away

1176
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:04.119
from from the Democrats because we're pulling in these sane

1177
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.280
Democrats that we don't agree on everything, but we agree

1178
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:11.559
on certain positions, and that's a good thing. Let's unify

1179
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:14.519
around what we agree on. But then you know, post

1180
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.480
Trump actually getting into the into the office, there's a

1181
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.960
certain segment of some of the most influential, you know,

1182
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:23.800
MAGA conservative influencers that it's like there's this purity test

1183
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:25.920
and you're not allowed to have an opposing opinion. You're

1184
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.679
not allowed to debate these issues or else you get slandered,

1185
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.920
you get name called, you get you know, discredited, and get.

1186
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.920
Primary Then everything let's go to quick break. We'll pick

1187
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:35.480
it up on the other side. More from Jeff after this,

1188
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:36.199
stay with us.

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here with Jeff

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Dornick and Jeff. Let's go on, and I want to

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pick up where we left off, because you know, this

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is really key. But that's like in anything when you

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bring a group together, you know, it's like Trump bless

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01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.520
his heart in a sense, he's like, you know, hurting

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cats here, and he's got to pull these people together.

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And again that's the job of a CEO, as you know,

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always banging the mission drum. Okay, keep sight of this.

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Don't get distracted by all these shiny things that are

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running about or what haking Jefferies is doing and some

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of these other podcasters for the sake of clickbait and

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what have you. You know, you got to stay on mission, right.

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Yeah, well, you definitely have to stay on mission. But

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I think also that that you know, a lot of

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a lot of those a lot of those show hosts

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that a lot of people accuse of just posting clickbait,

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which I think a lot of them are, you know,

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but but they do represent a certain segment of the

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population that also do hold those viewpoints. And and I

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and I think that one of the concerns that I have,

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especially we're heading into midterms where it's so important that

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we are able to hold on to both chambers of

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Congress or else Trump's not going to get anything done.

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But if if we don't bring you know, go back

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to this big tent mentality within the Republican Party, then like,

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are are we going to even have an opportunity to

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win the midterms? Because if if you're just gonna say,

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you know, clearly, you know Tucker Carlson and his viewpoints

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are not welcome in the Republican Party, that's going to

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take out a certain segment of the voters that would

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normally vote for Trump. And I think that that, to

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me is one of the concerns with the Republican Party

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seemingly opting this loyalty test to Trump and this and

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this purity test ideologically that you you have to agree

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with every single thing that he does within the Republican

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Party that you know, you're going to weed out a

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certain segment of potential voters in a very tight race

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that could directly impact the future of our country because

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you know, we're heading up into these mid terms. In

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all reality, there's been very little accomplished legislatively by by

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01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.880
the Trump administration. Every single thing that Trump has done

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from an executive order standpoint can be undone by the

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next president with just a stroke of the pen. And

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so as we're heading up to these midterms and you

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think about it, if we lose, then it that's going

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to be a for sure thing. Nothing is going to

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actually be accomplished long term. We'll have short term game,

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but nothing long term because we have to do this legislatively.

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And if we don't win here or pass some massive

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legislation between now and the midterms, then we're kind of

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out of luck when you think about it.

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Well exactly, And of course there's been some inhibitors, and

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you know, I give Mike Johnson some credit because he's

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01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.119
trying to, you know, juggle all the balls here through.

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And I'm disappointed in because I'm you know, the heck

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01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.880
with this filibuster thing. You know, they try to you know,

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01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.000
protected like a sacred cow. Well, Harry Reid already disassembled

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01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:31.560
the filibus. That's how we got three you know Supreme

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Court conservative Supreme Court justices on the court, and so

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you know, it's it's just delaying and interfering with the agenda.

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And they're going to end up finding themselves in the

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same position they were when we were going against Obamacare.

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Remember we're going to repeal and replace it. I know

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people want to blame McCain, but there were other Republicans

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that didn't vote, you know, as well. But he was

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the last vote and he did a smart Alex stort away.

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So I lost a lot of respect for McCain when

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he did that, because he had championed the cause himself, saying, hey,

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we needed to repeal and replace it. And here he comes.

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01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:08.359
He's got the moment, it's all in him. He can

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01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:10.000
champion the cause. And what does he do?

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01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.439
Yeah? Well, And again it comes down to this idea

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that neither party truly wants it. Especially the Republicans, don't

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01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:23.640
actually want to fix problems. They want to put enough

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01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.079
of a band aid on it in order to go

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back to their constituents and say vote for me again,

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because I'm fighting against the boogeyman, I'm fighting against the Left,

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01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:34.119
I'm fighting against the Democrats. In all reality, they don't

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actually want to fix the problems. And I think the

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perfect evidence of this is when Trump first ran back

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in twenty fifteen, the outrage among the established Republican class

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just utterly tried to destroy the guy. Why because he

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came down the escalator. Where As before and all the

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01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.560
Republican debates they come out with their sixty eight point

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01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:54.840
plan to fix illegal immigration. It was so uber complicated,

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and I think it was intentional by design so that

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way they could say, look, it's going to take a

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01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.319
long time to fix this. And Trump comes down, he

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literally goes, we're gonna build the wall and we're gonna

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01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.520
deport the illegals. It's a pretty basic thing. And they're like, well,

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01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.279
if he actually does that, then we don't we lose

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01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:12.600
that thing that we've been using to raise millions and

1381
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.439
millions and millions of dollars. We can't let that happen.

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And I think that what we're seeing now is that

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01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:22.319
you have the legislative branch where they're trying to figure

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01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:25.479
out how do we maneuver things in a way to

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01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:27.880
where we can go back to our constituents and say, hey,

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01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:30.800
we're fighting for you were fighting against the Democrats, but

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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.119
not quite enough to actually fix the problems. And that's

1388
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:36.439
my concern with with what we're dealing with right now

1389
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:38.439
is you know, I think I think Trump's doing what

1390
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.039
he can with executive orders, which is perfectly fine. I

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01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:43.800
disagree with some, I agree with some, but I'm really

1392
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:49.079
disappointed in the Republicans not really putting forth actual solutions

1393
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:52.960
to problems legislatively. It's kind of band aids at best.

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01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.159
Right, Well, you're exactly right. I mean, it's interesting because

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01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.479
look at what happened last week, what we found out

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01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.920
about the southern poverty loss. Right, it's the same scenario.

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01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:06.600
They don't want to fix the problem because their reason

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to exist for the SBLC is racism. They knew racism

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was starting to fade, so they had to create. Oh

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let's come up with something else, Oh, white supremacy. So

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01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.399
you know, it's the same thing. It's how the wheels

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01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.560
on the bus go round and round, so that you create,

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01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:26.880
you know, a problem that's not there that you can

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fundraise off and get re elected, and you know, and

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the scenario goes. I mean, look look at all these Jeff,

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01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.039
since you and I've been around, since we've been born,

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01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:38.960
and we see it and we go, has it gotten

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01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:42.319
better in any in any sector? Can we look at

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01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.720
it and say, the trillions of dollars taxpayer dollars have

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01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.600
been invested in all these areas, whether it's healthcare, whether

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01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:52.600
it's national security or immigration. You know, go on down

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the list. Has it gotten better, No, it's gotten worse.

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01:14:56.439 --> 01:14:58.960
So what is wrong with this picture? And now you

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get a guy who's a true CEO, understands how to

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01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.079
run business, how to fix problems, and what do we got?

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01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.319
You know, we got all this interference and people, as

1417
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.520
I say, putting stick in the spokes of his wheels

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as he's trying to roll the country into a better place.

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Yeah, and and and I think that we also have

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to look at the fact of yes, there's there's there's

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01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:23.840
elected officials that that are putting their their you know,

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stick in the in in this in the spokes and

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01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.079
kind of kind of trying to derail it. But there's

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also people directly within within his administration where this is

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happening too. Because you know, like when when RFK Junior

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was running for president, I actually got behind him and

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I was working. I was working to you know, promote

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and working kind of in conjunction with their campaign and

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all that kind of stuff. And then you know, I

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was I was working really hard to kind of bring

1431
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.159
the Kennedy and the Trump campaigns together and join forces

1432
01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:48.159
and all that kind of stuff. But what what's what's

1433
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:50.079
been really interesting? And I remember having a conversation with

1434
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.359
somebody very close to him about, you know, like should

1435
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:54.279
we try to combine with Trump and all that? And

1436
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:55.960
it was like the thing is is that there's there's

1437
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.359
people within the Trump administration that don't want to see

1438
01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.560
you succeed. And we're we're actually seeing that play out

1439
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:05.640
right now where we were. We know that there's people

1440
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.640
that are severely limiting what RFK Junior can do. When

1441
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.319
he when he was running before it was the m RNA,

1442
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.159
you know, shots should never be allowed. But for whatever

1443
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:18.279
reason within the within the Trump administration, somebody clearly wants

1444
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.479
m r and A shots pushed forward. Do they have

1445
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:22.800
ties with Big Pharma? Are they getting paid off?

1446
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.800
Is look a look at Susie Wiles. Where do you

1447
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:26.680
think she came from?

1448
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.279
Exactly exactly what? And I think it was like day

1449
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.000
number two of Trump in office. Remember he was in

1450
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.119
the Oval Office with with Sam Altman and Larry Ellison

1451
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:40.159
announcing Stargate, which was which was trying to use m

1452
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.760
RNA technology with artificial intelligence order in order to not

1453
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:47.319
cure cancer, but combat cancer, and and it was and

1454
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:49.119
it's really interesting because you look at that and you're like,

1455
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:50.760
and again this is where I a little bit of

1456
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:54.720
my tinfoil you know, hat on. But Larry Ellison was

1457
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.319
started by an investment from the CIA's investment firm UH

1458
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.560
to start to start Oracle. And a lot of people

1459
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.760
don't realize this, but Stargate was actually the name of

1460
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.039
a CIA program back twenty or thirty years ago that

1461
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.600
that was about remote remote viewing, which is interesting because

1462
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.439
now it seems like they're using technology and artificial intelligence

1463
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:16.319
to do quote unquote remote viewing using m RNA and

1464
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:19.399
AI inside the human body. So that that was really

1465
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:23.560
interesting to me. But clearly somebody in the administration is

1466
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.960
not buying into the MAHA agenda and wanting true medical

1467
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:30.199
freedom and you know, you know, getting the truth out

1468
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:34.319
there about vaccines and mRNA technology. Clearly somebody is in cahoots.

1469
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.079
You know, probably you know somebody that starts with you know,

1470
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.119
her first name starts with an S. But there's definitely

1471
01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:43.399
somebody in the Trump administration that's severely limiting I would

1472
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:46.279
argue probably all of the department heads because I've been

1473
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.039
I've been disappointed in the lack of action from a

1474
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:51.000
lot of them. Agree, but they probably also have their

1475
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:52.680
hands tied behind their backs.

1476
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:56.119
Right, Yeah, And like you said, I mean, how would

1477
01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:59.119
you like that job? Thousands of people that you're trying

1478
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.359
to manage, and they all have you know, their secret

1479
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.560
you know, decoder rings, and you know, their alternate agendas

1480
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.000
and all you're there. I mean, here's a guy who's

1481
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.439
not beholden to you know, all these lobbyists and all

1482
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.479
these other interests. He's just trying to do I believe

1483
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.840
Donald Trump, in my heart of hearts, I believe he's

1484
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.119
just trying to do right for the American people. But

1485
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:23.079
it's tough getting everybody else in the same you know,

1486
01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:24.479
on the same track.

1487
01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:28.000
Yeah, No, it really is. And it's you know, and

1488
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:30.199
I think there's another there's another you know, bit of

1489
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:31.920
evidence too, where it's like you look at you look

1490
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:34.800
at the DJ you look at the FBI cash hotel,

1491
01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:36.920
like I've had I've had cash on my show back before.

1492
01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.600
Obviously he got in the administration, you know, talking a

1493
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:41.880
big game about government gangsters and the FBI, and he

1494
01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:44.199
talked to numerous times about the f scene files and

1495
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.119
all this kind of stuff, and then that now he

1496
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.079
gets into office and you know, kind of starts gaslighting us. Oh,

1497
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:51.960
there's no black book, even though he told Glenn Beck,

1498
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.760
Glenn Beck, it's literally on the desk of the FBI director,

1499
01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:57.520
you know. And then you know, the gaslight ist about

1500
01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:00.720
the you know Epstein, you know, allegedly killing himself and

1501
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.079
all and all of this, and you're and you're like, Okay,

1502
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:07.079
clearly there's there's an there's an agenda here, and you know,

1503
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:08.600
if you go back, there was a there's a really

1504
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:12.119
interesting interview with Judge Napolitano where he was where he

1505
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:14.800
was talking about the end of his Trump's first term.

1506
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:16.600
He called up Trump and was like, you know, there's

1507
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.279
one there's one promise that you made that you didn't keep.

1508
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:22.199
And Trump's like, yeah, tell me what it is and

1509
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:24.199
I'll and I'll get it done. And Napolitano tells him,

1510
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:26.199
He's like, you didn't release the Epstein files. You didn't,

1511
01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.760
You didn't you didn't release that you didn't know. Excuse me,

1512
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:29.680
it's the JFK files.

1513
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:32.279
FK files. Yes, he released fifty of it.

1514
01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:36.399
But yeah, and and but Trump's exact words though, were

1515
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.760
if you would have seen what's in the JFK files,

1516
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.159
you wouldn't have released it either. And I'm just sitting

1517
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.800
here like, okay, so now they allegedly release all the

1518
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.079
JFK files and you're and you're like, there's it's kind

1519
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:51.479
of a nothing burger when you actually think about it, Like, so,

1520
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:54.279
what's actually in there that they haven't released that would

1521
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:57.279
have kept Trump from releasing it in in his first term?

1522
01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.600
Like all of these things are like, okay, c there's

1523
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.439
things that are happening and maneuverings that are happening behind

1524
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.319
the scenes that are keeping some of these guys from

1525
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:09.439
actually doing what they're leading us to believe that they're

1526
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:10.039
supposed to do.

1527
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:14.039
Yeah, and threats, Jeff, Yes, and threats. Clearly, well, we

1528
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.039
got to leave it there. Jeff Dornick, host of The

1529
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:19.319
Jeff Dornick Show and founder and CEO of Pickax. Jeff,

1530
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great talking to you, Thank you for being with us,

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01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:22.680
Take care, have a going Thank you too.

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Hey, welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here and pooh man,

1596
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I tell you we got a treat. I've been so

1597
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:09.000
looking forward to this conversation with Richard Sarah. He has

1598
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:11.520
written this book that of course for me and my

1599
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.399
rock and roll background and radio background in the early years.

1600
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.880
This is just so much fun in a walk down

1601
01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.840
memory lane. His book tales from from the Rock and

1602
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.640
Roll Twilight Zone. Richard, Welcome, Michelle. Great to have you

1603
01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:27.000
with us.

1604
01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:29.000
Hey, Bill, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for

1605
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:29.720
the opportunity.

1606
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:33.640
Well, this is so awesome because this is bringing back

1607
01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.520
so many memories for me because you know, as you said,

1608
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:40.359
this is the music of our lives, and you know

1609
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:43.680
the memories that went with it, so you know, So

1610
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:46.000
what motivated you to write this book?

1611
01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:51.039
Well, this book started out, I guess in its earliest iteration,

1612
01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.680
it was an idea for a terrestrial radio program with

1613
01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:59.000
my late partner and collaborator, rock historian our Gary Patterson.

1614
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.279
We were just about to launch this radio show. Originally

1615
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:04.560
it was called the Spirit of Rock, kind of a

1616
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:12.039
play on words paranormal spirit. He died coincidentally on May.

1617
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:13.640
May.

1618
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.239
Well, now I'm May six, May twenty six. I think

1619
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:20.760
it was in twenty seventeen, which was the fiftieth anniversary

1620
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.880
of the release of Serget Pepper's Lonelyhearts Club band, which

1621
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:26.680
of course is a whole other area we could get into.

1622
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:31.079
But when he died, I had to figure out what

1623
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.880
am I going to do with you know what, this project?

1624
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.840
And so it then it became a podcast, and I

1625
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:40.960
launched that in twenty eighteen. We did forty episodes, so

1626
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:45.199
I decided, okay, there's more here. Let me go back

1627
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.840
and revisit some of these episodes. I picked sixteen, and

1628
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.399
you know, podcasts are great. You can hear the tension

1629
01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:54.359
in people's voices and the music and everything, but with

1630
01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:57.920
words you can build worlds. So I decided to turn

1631
01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:00.119
sixteen of those episodes into a book.

1632
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:04.439
Wow. So the sixteen that you examined, give us just

1633
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:05.840
a real quick taste.

1634
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.359
There's four sections. The first section is all about the Beatles.

1635
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.359
It's called the Beatles Enigma. So the first chapter is,

1636
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.119
you know, were the Beatles in fact this organic music

1637
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:20.720
sensation or was there maybe some institution or institutions like

1638
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.880
the Tavistock Institute, the CIA behind them in order to

1639
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:30.039
let's say, introduce American society in the wake of the

1640
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:34.000
jfk assassination to drug sex, rock and roll, a breakdown,

1641
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:37.279
family and so forth. We talked about the Paul is

1642
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:41.039
Dead legend, which lives on to this day. Then I

1643
01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:46.279
get into curses and legends, so for example, led Zeppelin

1644
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.039
and Alistair Crowley, the great based six sixty six and

1645
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:53.720
all the bad luck that befelt led Zeppelin, Leonard Skinnyard

1646
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:57.039
and their tragic plane crash and all of the foreshadowing.

1647
01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:01.840
There we get into voices sort of from beyond the grave.

1648
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:07.479
I talk about Johnny Horton, the great singer songwriter who

1649
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:10.560
you know, North to Alaska and other great songs, and

1650
01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.720
his after death communication. The last chapter is very personal,

1651
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:19.760
involving my last telephone call with the aforementioned our Gary Patterson.

1652
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:25.560
So there's some conspiracy, there's some paranormal all sorts of

1653
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:26.279
things happening.

1654
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:28.720
Yeah, And it's amazing, you know, to think of it.

1655
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:30.279
You know, for those of us that grew up in

1656
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.560
that era, I don't know that we you know, got

1657
01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:35.840
into a whole lot of conspiracy. But there was no

1658
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.199
question that, you know, when the Paul is Dead thing

1659
01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:41.199
came out. I mean, everybody was backtracking, you know, the

1660
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:44.560
different tracks right and back in the days when you

1661
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:48.960
had when you could do it on vinyl. Of course,

1662
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:50.880
today might be a little bit more difficult. I guess

1663
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:52.600
if you had a digital track, you still might be

1664
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:53.239
able to do that.

1665
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.920
Right, right, right, Yeah, I'm guessing a lot of people

1666
01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.560
destroyed their needles when they were trying to play Strawberry

1667
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.479
Fields backwards. Did I hear him say Paul is dead

1668
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:04.399
or you know, turn me on dead man?

1669
01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:05.560
Yeah?

1670
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.439
I mean that that whole story. I always find it

1671
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:12.960
fascinating that this legend of Paul McCartney dying in a

1672
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:18.359
fiery crash in November of nineteen sixty six began before

1673
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.000
the age of the Internet, like decades before the Internet,

1674
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:25.520
and yet it grew mouth by word of mouth, a

1675
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.159
couple of explosive radio shows in Detroit and New York,

1676
01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:32.119
and it just spread like wildfire again before Internet. It's

1677
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:35.479
just astounding, and it's still that legend is still as

1678
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:36.359
strong as ever.

1679
01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.039
Who started it, because I mean you even had the

1680
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:43.079
cover of Abbey Road, right, Paul, he was misstapped, you know,

1681
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:46.600
by design and that sort of thing. So this conspiracy

1682
01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:49.600
and then of course the Walrusts and everything that was

1683
01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:51.119
associated with it, right.

1684
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:54.079
Right, And then you had the Sergeant Pepper album, which

1685
01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.520
is basically set out like a funeral scene. You have

1686
01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.880
all of those floral arrangements, which are very few near

1687
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.600
They are all these sorts of you know, interesting codes

1688
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:10.319
and secret messages, perhaps embedded in Peter Blake's great album cover.

1689
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.600
But it began, we believe, on a university campus in Iowa.

1690
01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:18.279
I believe it's Drake University. And someone wrote a piece

1691
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.640
for the student newspaper looking at all of these clues,

1692
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.479
you know, the backward masking in the songs and the album,

1693
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:32.359
the album cover clues. And somebody picked up on that,

1694
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:37.600
called Russ Gibb on a Detroit radio station, offering up

1695
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.119
these clues. The lines just went crazy. A couple of

1696
01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:44.640
weeks later, New York City, the great Robbie Young suspended

1697
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:48.600
his music show format because people were flooding the lines

1698
01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:50.920
asking questions. I believe he got fired on the air

1699
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:55.439
for doing that. And that was in nineteen sixty nine.

1700
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.319
And it just that's how crazy radio could be, Richard,

1701
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:00.840
that you draw an audience, when you get fired for

1702
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:02.159
drawing an audience.

1703
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:04.560
Right there, you go, exactly, it's.

1704
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.520
Just only in radio. I mean, having experienced it and

1705
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:09.800
having you know, radio being a big part of my life,

1706
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.760
you know, for over fifty years, and I've seen them

1707
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:15.439
come and go and all the craziness and the you know,

1708
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:18.119
the bosses we had to deal with and all that.

1709
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:20.600
It was just I guess sometimes they forget about it

1710
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:22.960
being entertainment. This is why when I was in LA

1711
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.359
I had the privilege and honor of working with Chuck Blori.

1712
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:28.239
He was probably one of the genius program directors. Was

1713
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:31.680
the one that led Color Radio in Los Angeles and

1714
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:35.600
then later on went on to program Kiss and Kiss

1715
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:40.520
with a compromise fifty thousand wat AM station grew that

1716
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:45.000
audience to over a million QN. And he he was

1717
01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:48.760
totally genius. But his deal was always about he said, Bill,

1718
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:50.880
when you open up the microphone, your job is to

1719
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:55.119
elicit a positive emotional response. That's that's what he longed for,

1720
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:59.159
and that's how we worked on the radio station. And

1721
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:01.960
it was total I mean, you know, so he was

1722
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:04.960
an exception to the rule. I will say that right right.

1723
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:09.039
I'm a child of terrestrial radio as well, Bill, I've

1724
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:11.800
worked most of my adult life in terrestrial radio. Podcasting

1725
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:14.600
is great, of course, but there's nothing like a late

1726
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.399
night audience on terrestrial radio.

1727
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:19.520
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, in getting back to my

1728
01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:23.000
original question about who came up with this, because somebody

1729
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:27.000
was in the studio to do, you know, to insert

1730
01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.359
in the track you know, Paul is dead and all

1731
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:33.640
this other arrangement. It was like, you know, when you

1732
01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:36.039
go was it John Lennon, you know, because it was

1733
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:39.640
totally I mean, it was genius because what happened with

1734
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.159
record sales right after that? Right?

1735
01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:46.560
Absolutely? Well that's that makes the question was this what's

1736
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:49.680
that psychological term when you see patterns as at paradolia?

1737
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.279
So are people listening and hearing what they want to listen?

1738
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.319
Did John Lennon really say turn me on dead Man

1739
01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:59.319
on Revolution number nine? Did he say Paul is dead

1740
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:02.880
or I bear Paul rather on Strawberry Fields? Or were

1741
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.880
we just imagining that? But I tend to think what

1742
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.640
happened was and I believe Paul McCartney is still alive.

1743
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:12.439
I don't think he died spoiler alert because imagine you

1744
01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.439
know that they found a left handed bass player to

1745
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:18.840
replace Paul McCartney, who was arguably more talented than the original.

1746
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:20.079
I mean, it just.

1747
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:24.199
It beggars belief, as they say, But I think what

1748
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:28.279
likely happened was the Beatles. You know, they were cheeky,

1749
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:32.439
they loved comedy, they were comedians, and I think they

1750
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.159
were kind of playing around with this idea. Let's leave

1751
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.760
some breadcrumbs there and let's see what happens. Let people

1752
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:40.680
have fun with it. I mean it could have turned tragic.

1753
01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.319
I mean, you know what happened in the wake of

1754
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.640
Elvis Presley's death. I believe people there were people who

1755
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:48.159
committed suicide. God for fend, as far as I know,

1756
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:50.479
and that didn't happen with Paul McCartney's rum or death.

1757
01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:54.439
But it could have turned sideways. Thankfully it didn't. But yeah,

1758
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.520
I think I think the clues are real. I think

1759
01:32:57.560 --> 01:32:59.800
they were placed there deliberately. But there are those who

1760
01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:03.399
may No, that's that's you know. You compare photographs pre

1761
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:06.840
sixty seven, post sixty seven Poles jaw line, his teeth,

1762
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:10.000
they look different. He's taller, he's shorter. You know, is

1763
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:13.520
is it the Saint Paul McCartney. So readers will have

1764
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:14.199
to decide.

1765
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:15.920
Yeah, like you say, you can see what you want

1766
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:19.319
to see, and you know, and with all this going

1767
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.840
on and now there's you know, now we're in the

1768
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:24.680
age of social media, and I see pictures where Paul's

1769
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:27.760
lying in a hospital and you know he's on life

1770
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:30.079
support and all this other stuff, and you go, oh,

1771
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:32.800
my goodness, are we going back to revisit this all

1772
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:33.359
over again.

1773
01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:38.359
I cannot imagine had this rumor again, which started in

1774
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:42.359
nineteen sixty nine, three years after McCartney's supposed death, had

1775
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:46.800
it if it was happening now given as you say, AI,

1776
01:33:47.159 --> 01:33:53.439
where you literally cannot believe your own eyes any anymore. So, Yeah,

1777
01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:59.279
this AI and social media has given this legend whole

1778
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.000
new currency. That and many other legends. I mean, I'm

1779
01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:04.720
sure you can go on a on social media and

1780
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:08.399
find someone who looks a lot like Jim Morrison at

1781
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.560
the age of eighty two wandering around the streets of Paris. Look,

1782
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:12.520
he's alive, He's.

1783
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:16.000
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Okay, so, uh so after the Beatles, let's let's uh

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let's talk. You know what's the next one? You want

1872
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to talk about?

1873
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Legends and curses and uh, let's see the section begins,

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01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:08.920
I believe with the Rolling Stones and the Nefarious Free

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Concert at Altamont the Speedway in California in December of

1876
01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:18.640
nineteen sixty nine, and on the surface, it just seems

1877
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:23.359
like a concert that was not properly planned and it

1878
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:26.359
went sideways with tragic results. Of course, we had the

1879
01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:30.439
death of the young African American Meredith Hunter, who was

1880
01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:35.279
repeatedly stabbed by the security detail at the time the

1881
01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:38.319
Hell's Angels, and then there were several other people who

1882
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:41.239
died I think from a drug overdose, and there were

1883
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:44.720
people that were killed hit and run accidents and so forth.

1884
01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:48.399
It was just a disaster. So what does that have

1885
01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:50.800
to do with legends and curses. Well, I happen to

1886
01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:53.640
be an Orthodox Christian. I believe in an unseen world.

1887
01:39:55.199 --> 01:40:00.800
I believe in spiritual warfare, and I think that the

1888
01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:05.000
set the stage was set at Altamont for some some

1889
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:10.720
pretty you know, nefarious, sinister perhaps even demonic activity. That's

1890
01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:15.640
a possibility, it's a possibility. And the choice of the location.

1891
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:21.680
This was a basically kind of a bowl. The banks

1892
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:25.000
were too steep. It was set set up initially as

1893
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:30.279
a racetrack like a demolition derby racetrack. Maybe six thousand

1894
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.239
people would fit in there, but there were hundreds of

1895
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:34.960
thousands and they just kind of were because of gravity

1896
01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.960
and the downward slope, they were just kind of pushed

1897
01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:41.239
towards the stage. The stage wasn't constructed properly. Then they

1898
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:45.640
invited the Hell's Angels to do security, and they paid

1899
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:49.439
them with beer, basically, I don't know, hundreds of cases

1900
01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:51.560
of beer. There was a great cocktail.

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Right. You've got these.

1902
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Thugs with chains and pool cues, all liquored up and knives,

1903
01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:04.359
and they were supposed to protect not only the Rolling Stones,

1904
01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.159
but they were very protective of their excuse me, their

1905
01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:09.920
their their motorcycles which surrounded the stage. And then you

1906
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:12.960
had this the crowd pressing in. Not not any not

1907
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their fault, they just you know, and it ended, you know,

1908
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horribly obviously. Uh And unfortunately when you when you try

1909
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and figure out who's to blame, ultimately, the a lot

1910
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of the guilt has to rest with Mick Jagger and

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I I don't mean to be unkind I love the

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Rolling Stones. I try to separate, you know, their their

1913
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bad bad boy persona from my own Christian faith and

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so forth.

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Uh.

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You know, I like to say I sold my soul

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to rock and roll, but Jesus took it back. But

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he made a lot of bad decisions, and they were

1919
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very in the in the aftermath of that tragedy, the

1920
01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:57.079
Stone seemed very cavalier about what happened to Meredith Hunter

1921
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and the others. And I don't know what in what

1922
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is in heart these days. I pray that he has

1923
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tremendous remorse for what happened. But if you read the chapter,

1924
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you see there's a lot of sort of I would

1925
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say spiritual warfare underneath it, just percolating up from beneath right.

1926
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And that's always kind of been you know, our parents

1927
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and grandparents when rock and roll was coming into being.

1928
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That was their concern that this could open the gateway

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to you know, demonic activity, and you know, the music

1930
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and everything was so revolutionary and everything, and you could

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kind of look at this and say, look what it

1932
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did to the culture. I think some good things and

1933
01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:43.119
certainly some pretty radical kind of stuff. I mean, because

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you and I grew up in a period a time.

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Also a big part of it was, you know what happened,

1936
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which I think was quite interesting and coincidental, is you

1937
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had the Jesus movement going on one hand, you had

1938
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:58.600
to hate Ashbury and all, you know, psychedelic drugs and

1939
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everything else going on is a parallel in our culture.

1940
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Yeah, I mean, I think some of that sort of

1941
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:09.239
flirtation with the dark Side was marketing. So for example,

1942
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:11.760
you know Black Sabbath and Ausy Osbourne. As Ozzie would

1943
01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.000
say repeatedly, you know, I'm not a Satanist, I'm not

1944
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.760
a Nazi. I don't believe in any of that stuff.

1945
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:19.199
But he did.

1946
01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:21.600
He was interested in what he called the you know,

1947
01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:26.520
the dark side, the darker things, right, But others like

1948
01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:30.520
Robert Plant or sorry, Jimmy Page, for example, were totally

1949
01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:34.039
into the occult. He owned an occult bookstore. He was

1950
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.680
a devote of Alistair Crowley. He bought Crowley's house on

1951
01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:42.880
the shores of loch Ness, Bolskin House, and before Crowley

1952
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:46.960
left he was working on some magic rituals. And I'm

1953
01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:49.680
saying not stage magic, I'm talking about the occult. I'm

1954
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:54.000
talking about the dark side. Where he supposedly opened a portal.

1955
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:59.159
He was trying to bring forth this entity, but he

1956
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:04.039
failed to bind this dark spirit and he got called

1957
01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:07.760
off to Paris and left the portal open. Along comes

1958
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:11.760
Jimmy Page buys the house. Strange things start happening in

1959
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.760
the house one night, he supposedly makes this pact with

1960
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.000
his other band members to make led Zeppelin, you know,

1961
01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:21.359
the greatest rock and roll band of all time. And

1962
01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.439
Robert Plant and John Paul Jones and John Bonham. I

1963
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:26.279
don't think they were totally into it, but they thought, okay,

1964
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.720
Jimmy wants us to do this. They went along with it,

1965
01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:32.279
and they assigned themselves these sort of occult sigils that

1966
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:36.000
appeared on instead of their names. The sigels appeared on

1967
01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.600
led Zeppelin three. And then of course all of these

1968
01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:44.199
bad circumstances starts surrounding the band. Robert Plant has a

1969
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:47.399
near fatal accident in Greece while on vacation. His young

1970
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:52.720
child then dies sadly while they were on tour. Jimmy

1971
01:44:52.760 --> 01:44:56.119
Page fell into sort of hopeless heroin addiction for quite

1972
01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:00.239
a time. John Bonham, of course, died, which ultimately broke

1973
01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:03.840
up the band. So there again, I mean, you can say, well,

1974
01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:07.960
maybe there's some psychology happening and they believed it, and

1975
01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:12.039
so it was a self fulfilling prophecy. That might be true. Again,

1976
01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:15.319
I come back to my views, my worldview, which is

1977
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:19.359
informed by the Bible, and I think there is an

1978
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:22.239
unseen world. And I think when you open certain doors

1979
01:45:22.600 --> 01:45:27.119
or you knock on certain doors, someone or something enters

1980
01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:30.960
or answers. And I think that's what happened to led

1981
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.560
Zeppelin and probably many other bands.

1982
01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:34.840
Janis Joplin.

1983
01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:39.479
I don't cover Jenesis death in the book, but I'm

1984
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.159
thinking there's probably at least one more volume here, more

1985
01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:47.279
tales from the rock and roll twilight Zone. Yeah, and

1986
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:51.119
actually I don't think I even produced an episode for

1987
01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:53.520
the podcast on Janis. But there again, you know, a

1988
01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:57.159
member of the twenty seven Club along with you know,

1989
01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.760
Robert Johnson back in the thirties, and this in the

1990
01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:05.720
Curses section where he supposedly sold his soul to the

1991
01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:09.239
devil old Scratch as they call the devil down in

1992
01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:12.640
the Delta, so that he could play, you know, beautiful

1993
01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:15.800
blues guitar. He died at twenty seven. No one paid

1994
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.239
much attention to the age of twenty seven until we

1995
01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:22.760
had Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, and Jimmy Hendrix all dying

1996
01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:26.560
at the age of twenty seven. Then we became familiar

1997
01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:28.840
with the twenty seven Club. Then it was forgotten, and

1998
01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:31.880
then Kurt Cobain died at twenty seven in nineteen ninety four,

1999
01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:37.920
and then oh I'm forgetting her name.

2000
01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:45.159
Oh not cass Elliott. Cas was over.

2001
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:48.159
No, no, this was twenty eleven. She was a British,

2002
01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:49.720
very sultry voice.

2003
01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:51.039
Yes, right right, you're talking.

2004
01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:54.279
Oh name, I've forgotten.

2005
01:46:54.399 --> 01:47:00.239
That's terrible, that's terrible. Wine Amy Winehouse, Thank you Bill, Yeah,

2006
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:02.640
Emmy Winehouse. She died at twenty seven, and that then

2007
01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:05.439
people started really paying attention to the twenty seven clubs. So,

2008
01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:07.520
you know, what is it about that age of twenty

2009
01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:10.720
seven with you know, the claim Janice And it seems

2010
01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:15.600
to me, again not discounting spiritual warfare, but when you're

2011
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:19.039
at that age in rock, you've sort of reached the

2012
01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:25.199
pinnacle of your your creative abilities. Now you have tremendous

2013
01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:28.279
pressure coming down on you to perform, to produce more

2014
01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:34.760
more records. With that pressure comes sometimes people succumb to

2015
01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:39.640
drugs and alcohol, which is what happened, unfortunately to to

2016
01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:43.640
Janis and many others. And it seems to happen in

2017
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:47.279
and around that, you know, that late twenties period. So

2018
01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:50.720
and you know, it's a deadly cocktail.

2019
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:53.079
Without a doubt. I mean, to have that kind of

2020
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:55.920
fame and that kind of money, and I mean, you know,

2021
01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:58.840
we've seen what happened to you know, whether you're talking

2022
01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:02.279
about Elvis and and Michael Jackson. Of course his new

2023
01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:05.800
movie is out right now. That's you know, getting a

2024
01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:09.319
lot of attention as well. We've got only two minutes

2025
01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:11.319
left here, Richard. I could be with you all afternoon.

2026
01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:14.760
This is terrific. I love. I love what you're sharing

2027
01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:16.760
with us. And also the fact that you and I

2028
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:20.439
share a biblical worldview and we're driven by the truth

2029
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:23.159
of God. So this is very cool. So I appreciate

2030
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:27.640
you to wrap things up, maybe just a couple of

2031
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:31.279
quick highlights here you think will draw them, not only

2032
01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:32.680
you know, I mean to your book. I mean, because

2033
01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:34.319
they need to get their hands. I mean, this is terrific.

2034
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:35.960
I can't wait to get my copy.

2035
01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:39.199
Looking forward to you getting a copy. And what love

2036
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:41.960
your feedback? Well, people ask me, you know, you know,

2037
01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:43.920
was there anything that shocked me or surprised me? And

2038
01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.199
I think that the death of Brian Jones in nineteen

2039
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.399
sixty nine, drowned in his swimming pool. He had just

2040
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:53.600
purchased this property by AA that was owned by A. A.

2041
01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:57.840
Milne who wrote you know, Winnie the Pooh and created

2042
01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:02.399
all those wonderful characters Christopher Robinson. So forth, he fled

2043
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.720
London where he was basically, you know, being hounded by

2044
01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.479
the police and being hounded by the media, and thought

2045
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:13.800
he could find this retreat in Sussex rural Pastoral Sussex.

2046
01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:16.239
Dies at the bottom of a swimming pool. It was

2047
01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:19.199
ruled misadventure death misadventure. But when you look at the

2048
01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:22.720
people who were there that night, including the Rolling Stones

2049
01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:27.520
fixer Thomas Keylock, who had been fired by Keith Richards

2050
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.000
because Keylock was a bit of a scammer and a liar.

2051
01:49:31.319 --> 01:49:34.840
He latched onto Brian Jones and he was there that night,

2052
01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:39.039
And there were also some construction people that were working

2053
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:43.560
on the house that were constantly battling with Brian Jones.

2054
01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:46.920
They thought they could take advantage of this young man.

2055
01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.800
He was twenty seven, He was a bit of a

2056
01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:53.760
drunk and very fragile, and so they were trying to

2057
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:56.880
take his money. Thomas Keylock was trying to take his money.

2058
01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:01.720
Whether there was some sort of a fight that resulted

2059
01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:06.079
in Brian Jones' death, but Thomas Keelugg's brother, Frank Keelock,

2060
01:50:06.520 --> 01:50:10.199
was a superintendent with Scotland Yard and there is evidence

2061
01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:13.319
that there was a cover up. There's also evidence that

2062
01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:20.359
there was an undercovers Scotland Yard officer at the party

2063
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:23.920
that night. And the other thing that's very interesting is

2064
01:50:23.960 --> 01:50:28.439
that the autopsy was not performed by the local medical examiner.

2065
01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:32.800
It was performed by the medical examiner who was appointed

2066
01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:35.479
by the Prime Minister of England, Harold Wilson at the time.

2067
01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.640
So there's cover up all over this.

2068
01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:39.439
Yeah, without a doubt, we got to leave it there.

2069
01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:43.119
He's podcast talk RAYO veteran Richard Saratt, host of the

2070
01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.960
Strange Planet podcast and frequent voice behind Coast to Coast

2071
01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:52.000
AM and of course his new book Tails from the

2072
01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:54.720
Rock and Rolled Twilight Zone. Richard, thank you for being

2073
01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:56.159
with his Take care, be blessed by.

2074
01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:58.039
Thank you, Thank you, Bill, God bless The.

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