Feb. 9, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 02 09 26

The Bill Martinez Show 02 09 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 02 09 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah?

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Ok us do it?

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Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Good Morning America. Six minutes after the top. They are

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great to have you with us. Also special to have

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doctor Michael Rubin with us. He is a contributor to

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the Washington Examiner's Beltway Confidential blog, a director of analysis

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at the Middle East Form and senior fellow at the

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American Enterprise Institute. As we are talking right now, Michael,

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it has been announced that the FBI has captured a

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key leader in the BEng Ghazi raid. What do you say?

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You know that it's very good that they're not letting

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justice fall by the wayside, Eve, close to fourteen years

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after the US ambassador Chris Stevens was murdered.

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There.

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One of the things I'm curious about, Bill, There's been

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previous captures at Bengazi suspects back in twenty twelve, in

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twenty fourteen, but both of those were, of course, during

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the Obama administration, and now that this is the first

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major suspect captured during a Republican administration, whether any of

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the self censorship in order to pract Hillary Clinton that

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may have occurred under Obama will be passed by the wayside.

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And this is especially important of course, with the Clinton's

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forthcoming testimony in Congress. Perhaps some questions can be asked

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in this direction as well.

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Yeah, you got to think that somebody is going to

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bring this up because while they got her attention, because

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the last time we can still see her in that

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green outfit, right and says a you know the way

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she just kind of tossed it off, like as if

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you know, what did it matter anyway? I think was

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the closing statement that she made about that, right.

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Yeah, absolutely, and the laugh and the cackle. It was

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very very tone deaf. But you know, one of the

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things I just want to say when we look at

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Mike POMPEII or when we look at Marco Urbio and

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compare it to what we've seen in the past, the

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leaked documents from the Clinton era when Hillary Clinton was

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Secretary of State, so that her major concern is just

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breaking records. How many miles she could she travel, how

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many countries should she go to. It was a very

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superficial and almost amord amateurist approach to national security and

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American diplomacy. Thank god that era has closed.

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Well, And how embarrassing was it in that meeting to

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kind of restore confidence and relationship with the Russians, right,

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and she gave him a reset button and misspelled You know, yeah.

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I think the fault on that may have been Mike McFall,

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one of our aides, who was the US ambassador in Russia.

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But it was embarrassing. It was woefully naive to believe

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that we just needed a reset. But you know, this

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represents one of the problems we have, especially among the Democrats,

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but an American policy. Were too many in Congress and

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too many in our own state department self flagely, and

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they assume that the problem is ours, the responsibility for

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any problem is ours. They don't recognize that our adversaries

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have agency, and so long as they don't recognize that

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our adversaries have their own strategy, then our adversaries are

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able to run circles around us. We've seen this with Iran,

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We've seen this with Russia, We've seen this with China,

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and until recently, we saw this with Venezuela as well well.

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Exactly, and speaking of Venezuela, even Russia for that matter,

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or any of these regimes where you know, people are

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almost there for life, like Putin and others President g

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for example, And here they're dealing with a country that

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every four years can be under new management. And I've

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got to imagine that the international community has sized up.

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I mean, I hate to put it this way, but

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it looks like in pattern. And you can correct me

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if I'm wrong here, Michael, But everything that has to

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do with the Democratic Party, they don't know how to

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handle these international conflicts or negotiate. The Republicans have been

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pretty solid and how to address these issues. And I

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think that certainly Donald Trump is setting a whole new

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standard in terms of international diplomacy. Am I off base

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on that?

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No?

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I don't think you're off base. Look, the problem with

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our diplomacy, broadly speaking, is that too often we don't

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see the forest through the trees. We may enter into

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a diplomatic engagement because of the forest, and then we

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become too subsumed with keeping those negotiations alive. That's what

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I mean by the trees. We saw this with North Korea,

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We've seen this with Iran, where we simply lose sight

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of our goals. But you know, one of our weaknesses

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and this is bipartisan. Is that era of Ronald Reagan

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and Tip O'Neill is over where even we may have

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been on different sides of the aisle, but we still

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operated by common principles, and that's when America was its strongest.

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The goal.

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I'm sorry to interrupt you, Michael, but because the thing

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is that Smith sometimes is at that time, the goal

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was the same. It was the process, the procedure how

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to hit that goal. We had a common goal. We

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don't have a common goal right now. This is the problem.

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You're absolutely right. And the other problem we have in

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our foreign policy. It's that old joke about two guys

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who are trying to outrun a man eating bear. One

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slows down and ties a shoe, and the other says,

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what are you doing? You have to outrun the bear,

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and the guy says, no, I only have to outrun you.

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All our enemies have recognized that all they have to

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do is run down the clock on the United States

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and hope that they get something better as we go

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into our whiplash policy between Democrats and Republicans.

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Well, and how do you keep your eye on the

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ball right now when you've got distractions like the midterms

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coming up, all this other stuff. I mean, you've got

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to give Donald Trump a lot of credit for what

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he's been able to accomplish in the first year. And

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this is with you know, some headwinds that he's having

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to deal with there and you know, shutting down the government,

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threats of shutting down the government, all this, you know

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political ravel rousing that's going on, that's all focused on

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illegal immigration.

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Michael, Well, you're absolutely right on that.

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And the way I tend to look at it is

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traditionally we've had a lame duck problem in the United States,

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and so when I look at Donald Trump talking about

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a potential third term something which I think is illegal,

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the way the tactic I think Donald Trump is applying

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is simply neutralizing this lame duck status to keep people

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guessing and to keep his own policy dictates relevant before

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all the Republicans start peeling away up to it, including

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Marco Rabia.

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Yeah, well, you know, speaking of people running out the clock,

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let's talk Venezuela for just a minute. It seems that

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Delsi Rodriguez, this is the strategy that she may be using.

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This may be the strategy that she is using. The

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thing with Delsi Rodriguez is she is, she does, doesn't

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have much charisma, she doesn't have any ingrained popularity among

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the Venezuelan people. I've spoken to a number of people

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who have met her, who know her personally. Very few

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have anything positive to say. That said, zombie regimes have

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a way to continue. For quite some time, the United

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States has been in negotiations and cutter with Delsi Rodriguez's brothers,

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who perhaps are at the force add the muscle to

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her rule. But you know, we do need to recognize

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that perhaps band aids aren't the solution for sucking chess.

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Wounds, right, yeah, exactly, case in point. The other thing

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is it's happening is that, I mean, Venezuela is like

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on their last leg economically. How can she afford to

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maintain any kind of military force when she can't pay

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them anymore? In much the same way that's happening in Iran.

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Well, you know this is the problem. In Iran, average

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wage is now about one hundred dollars, but the security

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forces have been getting, especially in January bonuses, bringing up

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their salaries to seven hundred to fourteen hundred dollars a

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month and therefore they have incentive. We see the same

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thing in North Korea. It's a zombie regime. It's quite

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literally starving, but the security forces, the army, gets their salaries.

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One of the worst dynamics that we could engage in

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is if we're pumping money into the salaries of the

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people who are oppressing the Venezuelan public.

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Yeah, exactly how are we doing that? Are we doing that, Michael.

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Well, in terms of having our own oil companies resume

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operations or go back, it's a danger. Look, yeah, there's

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only so much Marco Ribio can do. We don't have

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a lot of insight into what's going on in Caracas

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and how this is all working out. We're gained more

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understanding over the next couple months. The issue is that

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I always worry about is that old Winston Churchill adage

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the Americans always do the right thing. They just try

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everything else first. Let's hope we don't have any self

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inflicted errors on goals along the way.

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Let's where are we at right now? Time for and

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a ran up date.

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Well, you know, of course today we're meeting in Oman

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shuttle diplomacy in the same hotel or in the same

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compound rather than face to face talks. But the one

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thing that Iranians should make clear, and when I've met

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with Iranian diplomats, I've made this clear. Everyone knows their

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game is to run down the clock. And if they

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think that they can fool Donald Trump the way they

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fooled John Curry or John Finer or Jake Sullivan or

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Barack Obama or Joe Biden, they're kidding themselves, and so

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they risk when Donald Trump. The way I assessed Donald

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Trump is this, he's much more willing than the average

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diplomat or average president to talk to anyone, and we

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saw that in his first term with North Korea. But

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he's also not willing like the traditional diplomat, to just

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talk endlessly. When he says, you have sixty days, you

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have six days on sixty one days, you better you

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better worry.

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You know.

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was in Baghdad, one of the things that's strange, and

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this is the barometer for me, is it was somewhat

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hard to get meetings because a lot of the pro

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Iranian militia leaders or politicians, they had cashed out their

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assets and they had quite literally four hundred to five

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hundred million dollars in cash sitting in their homes. They

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had switched houses, they had switched cars, they had switched

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license plates, they had switched their cell phones. And the

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whole reason was because they expect something bad to happen.

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And one of the ironies is when Iran's own clients

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expect that this uncertain I mean, Donald Trump means business.

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a curious dynamic and shows how we've lost the plot

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inside Washington.

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Well, And the thing is that's you know, with Donald Trump,

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he is he understands leverage, and he collects leverage. He

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collects the cards. As he said to Zelensky, you don't

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have the cards, and Donald Trump knew exactly that Zelensky

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didn't have the ability to counter. And America with Donald

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Trump has collected cards and leverage, and he's applying this

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leverage in Iran and against the Iatola in such a

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way very strategically. He's not just coming out and just

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going nuclear. But yet you can see in terms of

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the response of Iran it's almost like Bagdad Bob all

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over again. If you remember, Oh, we've got him right

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where we wanted, and it seems like a lot of bluster.

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Are am I underestimating the potential force of Iran as

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it stands right now?

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Michael, No, I don't think you're underestimating it. Look from

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Donald Trump's perspective, he said that he eliminated in the

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Twelve Day War in June twenty twenty five, Iran's nuclear ability.

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Now I don't have access to the intelligence, but if

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that's true, then why would he accept any deal which

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simply re litigates a program which he thinks he's already

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That's why he's talking about the proxies, That's why he's

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talking about the ballistic missiles, and the Iranians, as you said,

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don't have the cards. My concern is not that Donald

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Trump doesn't understand leverage. Sometimes I think he applies the

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leverage to the wrong ends and can make some tactical mistakes.

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The other thing that I don't think Donald Trump always gets,

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and this is where I worry, is when you're a hammer,

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everything looks like a nail. When you're a real estate developer,

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everything looks like an opportunity for real estate development. And

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what that does in the Gaza strip elsewhere is it

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in Syria. It undermines the role of ideology. He needs

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to understand that the supreme leader of Iran has never

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been motivated by the will being of his people. He's

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been motivated by the afterlife. He's been motivated by the

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Shia millennialism, this belief in the Imam and so forth.

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You can't project your own value system onto the iranianatolis. Now,

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most Iranians don't believe it in it in this, but

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Donald Trump needs to understand that those whom he's with,

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whom he's talking are operating from a fundamentally different playbook.

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Yeah, in a sense, it's a little bit about what's happening.

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Let's just say, as a microcosm, what's happening in Minnesota,

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for example, you've got that splintered radical activist group that's

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creating a lot of disruption right now. And I see

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that happening in Iran as well, because you've got so

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many factions in Iran that unless you understand all these

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different groups, it's not just it's not just the religious zealots,

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you want to call him, sub sub entities or sub

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people groups within Iran that have, like you said, they

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have a different ethos and a different motivation.

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off office, his conglomerate, what he controls is worth one

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hundredllion dollars. Separately, what the Islamic Revolutionary Guard core controls

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is worth one hundred billion dollars. So you haven't had

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a regime change in Iran in thirty five years since

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Homoni died and Ali Kameni took over. You haven't had

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a transition. And so right now with Ali Kameni being

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eighty six years old, almost eighty seven, with him having

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had cancer, with this transition looming, forget the United States,

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you have people looking at this as a one time lottery.

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They're coming out of the woodwork. They all want to

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gain control. And the fact that we're rushing the process

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is only sort of catalyzing this dynamic. Nothing wrong with that,

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but we recognize that there's a lot on the table,

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and there's a lot of people whose motivation isn't necessarily pure.

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And the thing is the people outside of the regime itself,

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the people that are out in the streets. I've been

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saying this over and over again, Michael. It's like they're

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having their Patrick Henry moment. You know, give me liberty

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or give me death. I mean they you know, thousands

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of people have died in the streets of Iran, and

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for the sake of liberty, they're in a kind of

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lining up for this.

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You know, you're absolute right, Bill, but this is what

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worries me. If Donald Trump ends up stepping back, what

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happens in Iran doesn't.

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Stay in Iran. Yes, we've seen this.

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Play out before, George HW. Bush calling upon the Iraqi

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people to rise up and throw off the dictator's dam

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only to stand down. So we've had this sort of

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dynamic before. But what happens when protesters come out in

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the streets of Turkey, or come out in the streets

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of China, or come out in the streets of Russia.

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What Donald Trump is showing if he doesn't actually take

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action now, is he's writing a dictator's playbook for our adversaries,

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saying you can messac here tens of thousands of people

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and get away with it. And I'm afraid that other countries,

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other regimes will take that risk if we don't move forward.

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Yeah, you're exactly right. It will thwart that organic movement.

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And it seems that organic movement is rising because all

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these other countries. I got to well, you know, be

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at Venezuela. I mean, just go down the line here.

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You know, the people are at this point. I mean

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there's something happening in the general atmosphere, so to speak,

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in the environment where Unrest is rising because people have

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had it with oppression.

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Look you both you and I lived through nineteen ninety one,

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nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one, the fall of

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the Soviet Union and the fall of the Soviet Bloc.

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That's what this reminds me of. I was just having

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a conversation with someone about Cuba. Now, Raul Castro and

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his two former vice presidents are still de troika, that

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is technically in charge. The president of Cuba is just

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an empty suit between roal Castro and his two vice presidents.

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They're between ninety three and ninety five years old. Change

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is coming, and as soon as they die, Cuba could

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regain its rightful place. I mean, Donald Trump could be

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the president who ushers in a real period of.

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Peace. Yeah right, Yeah, we got two minutes left. I'm

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gonna let you summarize. I mean, just like you said,

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I mean, the opportunities internationally. I mean, I don't think

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we've seen anything like this in our lifetime.

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Michael, No, you're absolutely right, But we're talking about Iran.

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And look, Iran, the Islamic Republic isn't the natural apex

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of Iranian political evolution. We sometimes don't get that, just

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like the Communists weren't the natural apex of Russian political evolution.

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We're gonna come back. Iran's gonna take its place. I

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just hope that in other areas we don't make mistakes. Samaloland,

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for example, deserves to be free. They're doing everything right.

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The fact Taiwan is doing everything right. Nogorno Karabak, the

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Armenian Christians there were doing everything right before we ran

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rough shot over. But you know, and I've talked to

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you this, you about this before. Every president since George

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HW Bush has had his legacy defined by the crisis

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no one saw coming during the campaign. What I worry

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about the forthcoming crisis that no one is talking about,

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will happen next week in Bangladesh when there's an election

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but the Secularist Party isn't allowed to run, it's been banned.

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And so if you have Iran free, but Bangladesh, a

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country that's much larger, go full on Islamic state. That's

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going to be something which is going to define Donald

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Trump's legacy, whether he likes it or not.

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What about Ukraine Russia as it stands fifty seconds left,

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go ahead.

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This notion that Ukraine is going to forfeit its freedom.

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Is absolutely ridiculous. It's a gamble that Vladimir Putin lost,

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We shouldn't lose it as well.

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Exactly well. He's the contributor to The Washington Examiner's Beltway

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Confidential blog. Director of Analysis at the Middle East Forum

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and Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, doctor Michael

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Rubin has been with us. Michael, thank you, as always,

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appreciate the insight. Take care, be well, my friend.

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Thank you, Bill.

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Well, good morning, America. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here with doctor Wilford Riley. Hey, well, how

489
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you doing.

490
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:41.440
I'm doing pretty well. Good to be back on the show.

491
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.359
Well, always good to be here. I want to get

492
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:49.400
your read on all things you know, Minnesota, I mean,

493
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.759
all this wackiness. It just seems that you know, trumped

494
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:58.359
arrangement syndrome is not only happening in Minnesota. But it

495
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.480
just seems to be going in, particularly in blue states

496
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:06.480
that just have such a mindset and a psychology that's

497
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.359
anti Trump in such a way that it defies common sense.

498
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.359
Will I'm having a hard time connecting the dots because

499
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:17.759
they seem to I say, they these people in these

500
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:23.240
dominated uniparty blue state areas of our country hate Trump's

501
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.519
so bad that they just ignore common sense.

502
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.759
Yeah. Well, I think Minneapolis stands out even among some

503
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.680
of the bigger blue states. I mean, there was a

504
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.480
guy who on social media did an analysis of the

505
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.559
frequency of violence against ice and against Trump agents, and

506
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:43.160
I think there were twenty eight felony incidents in Minneapolis.

507
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.880
There were twenty seven in Chicago, and there were twenty

508
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.799
two in LA. But the thing there is that Chicago

509
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.559
and LA both have about four million people. Minneapolis is

510
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:54.960
about four hundred and ten thousand, So if you look

511
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.400
at city size, Minneapolis is just dramatically out of control

512
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.119
when it comes to this, much more than anybody else.

513
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.240
And I mean there's a long activist tradition up there

514
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.359
and so on, So I think that that's part of

515
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.920
what we're seeing. I don't know much more than that,

516
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:12.960
it's very well, actually I know a lot about the

517
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.279
Minnesota situation. It's a very non functional environment right now.

518
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.160
I mean, you have the signal groups that are organized

519
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.720
to respond to any sighting of ICE agents. So they're

520
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.920
people that are literally watching with binoculars as cars go

521
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.000
by and adding their license plates to this as far

522
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.839
as I could tell, entirely illegal database, and so on

523
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.400
down the line. It's a weird situation.

524
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.720
Well, it's like the whole thing smacks of illegality, even

525
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:46.240
starting from this idea of a of a sanctuary state.

526
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.319
Will I mean, because I'm not seeing sanctuary states enumerated

527
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:51.759
in our constitution anywhere.

528
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.599
Yeah, well, the whole sanctuary idea. People on the right

529
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.400
have sometimes said, well, we should do this right, we

530
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.559
should be a gun right sanctuary state, you know, pro

531
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.559
life sanctuary state. If states can just say well, I'm

532
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.960
not going to obey the law. What's stopping Arizona or

533
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.920
Wyoming or whatever from totally banning a gender utilation of kids,

534
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.039
this kind of thing. But yeah, the sanctuary state issue,

535
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.279
it's gone on for a while obviously, as you know,

536
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.920
it's gone on in the context of immigration, and as

537
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.720
a political scientist, I'll say, it goes beyond that. One

538
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.160
of the big things here is drugs. So we forget

539
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.039
that marijuana is still a federally scheduled drug. I mean,

540
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.599
marijuana is technically in the same category of illegality as heroin,

541
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.960
although not in the same mounts. But a lot of

542
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.079
states like Colorado have essentially just said well here that

543
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.519
product is legal. And there's been very little attempt by

544
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.759
the federal government under the sort of big tough guy Bush,

545
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.079
even Obama his way Trump, there's been very little fight

546
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.599
back on that, with the President saying, well, no, you

547
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.039
just you can't do that. Trump's starting to do it

548
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.960
a little bit, but the governors have taken on almost

549
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.920
a Confederate attitude about this. Tim Walls said, you know,

550
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.559
is this the fort Supter moment where the Feds are

551
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.039
going to come into my state? And that's a that's

552
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.920
a lunatic position to take. I mean, if Walls did

553
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.640
something like paul up the National Guard to try to

554
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.720
block ICE, I mean, I would assume Trump's next move

555
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.079
would be to federalize it, to say you can't have

556
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.160
a private army pointing its guns at my soldiers. And

557
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.039
so that's the step down the road from saying well,

558
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.480
we're a sanctuary for whatever crime we want to tolerate.

559
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.440
So this is something that the executive brand doesn't need

560
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.119
to start breaking.

561
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.559
Well, it's interesting because as you lay this out and

562
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.079
you think about it, you know, the last time a

563
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.599
state tried to do something like this, it didn't work

564
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:47.079
well and it ignited what became the Civil War. I mean,

565
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.519
is that what this is all coming down to. I

566
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:55.599
mean that there's just so much antithical activism in our

567
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.880
country that has lost its mind that you know, the

568
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.000
constitution has lost its effect.

569
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.960
Well, I don't think we're going to have an American

570
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.440
civil war and something like one in ten males has

571
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.519
still fought in the military has some military background. We've

572
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.839
got all the branches plus the Space Force now, and

573
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.440
I mean that's very true among quote unquote blue groups

574
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.319
like Blacks, Italian Americans, Natives as well Hispanic Americans. So

575
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.880
I don't think guys that were soldiers and those are

576
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.000
going to be the best fighters generally are going to

577
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.839
go fight each other. And they add to that that

578
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.359
everyone's fat, you know, I mean, there really is not

579
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.079
We're not going to have a call up of all

580
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.960
the Hispanic and Italian men versus all the southern I mean,

581
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.359
the guys would just as people started writing toward each

582
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.400
other on four tracks, everyone realize how I'm saying this

583
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.680
was that's not going to occur. I think what we

584
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:50.680
are going to see is this regional resistance where unless

585
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.839
the president comes in and says, look, your options are

586
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.519
a war, you stand out with this, You're going to

587
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.599
see states that are very, very different from other states.

588
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.640
And as a federalist, as long as that's legal, I

589
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.920
don't object to that. But again in Colorado, I mean

590
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.640
my understanding is marijuana, am fetamine and magic mushrooms, ephedron,

591
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.880
all that stuff is legal. And at some point the

592
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.960
federal government does have to start showing up better than

593
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.799
it has under pre Trump presidents and saying, well, no,

594
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.039
you can't just legalize speed in Denver, no enough of this,

595
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.720
you can't. And that's what they're doing in Minneapolis. Minneapolis

596
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.359
has de facto legalized illegal immigration. They're not the biggest

597
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.079
city for illegal migrants, but they're up there. They talking

598
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.079
about a large Somali and Somali Bantu community that I

599
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.160
don't really feel anyone's looking into, like, are all the

600
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.680
everyone in that group's supposed to be here. So that's

601
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.559
just been going on. And now, I mean you see

602
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.799
ice going through there. They're taking about about three thousand

603
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.960
people in a couple of weeks, and you're getting this

604
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.920
panicked reaction. That's a prelude to I think how a

605
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.319
lot of states would react if these privileges were attacked.

606
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.640
Right well, and some of the stuff in Minnesota, what

607
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:02.200
smells is that here the pre recepdent to this was

608
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:08.720
the reveal of Somalia fraud and so well, yes, is

609
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.400
this a knee jerk reaction to cover all this fraud

610
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.960
and to protect what the eighty two thousand Somalis that

611
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:17.559
are in the crosshairs right now?

612
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.920
Well, it's a complex situation. I mean a lot of

613
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.400
most of the Somali community. Now obviously they should be

614
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.799
investigated if you've got one hundred thousand people there and

615
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.480
people aren't sure about the background, But most of the

616
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.720
Somali community is probably here legally because of all of

617
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.039
these They are all of these loopholes to American immigration law,

618
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.559
and some of them aren't even loopholes. I mean jd.

619
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.039
Vance went on social media the other day and said, look,

620
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.440
this asylum thing that we've got going on right now

621
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.200
is just people breaking the law.

622
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:47.039
Right.

623
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.200
So the US rule is that if you get to

624
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.759
the border at a port of entry, and we're the

625
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.880
first safe country, and this is already crazy, you can

626
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.839
just say, not only am I an immigrant, I'm an

627
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.279
asylum seeker, and we have to give you a hearing

628
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.480
in front of an asylum judge now, years in the future.

629
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.359
So people here down the road or something. How ridiculous

630
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:05.559
is that?

631
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:06.359
Well?

632
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.119
Yeah, And I mean the other thing with this is,

633
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.800
of course, you know, possession is nine tenths of the law,

634
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.800
and the squatter's rights period of possession a different area

635
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.119
of love, but it's usually seven years. So if you're

636
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.679
in the USA and you haven't committed a felony and

637
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.000
you marry an American, which can make you a citizen

638
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.880
within a couple of years, when you get to your

639
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.239
asylum hearing in eight years, it's not even going to

640
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.119
matter that your asylum plane was fake. No one's going

641
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.599
to send you home. I mean, your kid's a starting quarterback,

642
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.960
Like there's a judge in your county. You know, it's

643
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.559
not going to happen. So that's why people are doing this.

644
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.639
But the thing with the asylum hustle is not only

645
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.400
most people already knew that was a scam but were

646
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:50.119
reasonably comfortableish with it. We're now seeing people walk through

647
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.480
seven or eight countries and claim what's called president asylum.

648
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:56.639
In this they're preferred country, which is at the end

649
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.199
of the line. So you've got people from places like

650
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.880
Costa Rican, Ecuador, but you're nice countries, they don't have

651
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.920
any wars. They're just lower income walking. They're not even walking,

652
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.840
but taking planes. But coming from you know, Keto and Ecuador,

653
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.239
up to Ciudad New Mexico, Mexico and Mexico, and then

654
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.880
just getting to the border and coming in. So you've

655
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.760
come through eight countries and none of these countries is

656
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.840
even El Salvador are now straped up under Bouquele. None

657
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.639
of them are dangerous places at all. You could have

658
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.280
settled in Costa Rica, so on down the line, l

659
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.960
sal two or three other places. You're now getting here

660
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.840
and you're taking advantage of our asylum loophole anyway. So

661
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.760
it's stuff like this in immigration law that I think

662
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.840
is irritating people. Because of all this, a lot of

663
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.440
the Somalis probably aren't technically here illegally. But getting to

664
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.400
the point, Yeah, the reason Trump initially took notice of Minneapolis,

665
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.320
and as a mayor, you don't really want the president

666
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.360
uniquely focusing on your city. It's like you're you're the

667
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.480
hit of sales. You don't want the CEOs sitting on

668
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.599
the floor all day because you guys haven't been selling

669
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.880
it out. So the Somali thing essentially was large scale

670
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.880
PPP style fraud during COVID and shortly after. And yeah,

671
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.880
that community in particular seems to have builked about twelve

672
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.880
billion dollars out of the USA. So that's why Trump

673
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.719
took notice. And then you realize, okay, not everyone there

674
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.360
is a legal American. So that's why Ice took notice.

675
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.320
And you got all these people floating into the city.

676
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.159
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We're back with the America. Bill Martinez here, and we've

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got doctor Wilfrid Riley, the professor of political science at

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Kentucky State University of the author of Taboo Ten Facts

757
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you Can't talk about lies. My liberal teacher taught me,

758
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yes this situation. And you talk about Mayor Fry, who

759
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.320
likes the attention of Donald Trump. I mean, like this

760
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gives him some kind of standing in place. Even though

761
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.719
he looks like an idiot, it doesn't matter. He much

762
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.079
prefers the attention that he can say that somehow he's

763
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.960
getting under the skin of Donald Trump. Right.

764
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.320
Yeah, well, it's the whole resistance live thing. I mean,

765
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.679
so Fry and Tim Walls are sort of male icons

766
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.800
for a lot of the Handmaid's tail outfit wearing wine

767
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moms that are showing up to the less violent of

768
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.039
these protest events. And yeah, the idea of being the

769
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.760
you know, the reasonably attractive, fit liberal guy who's standing

770
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.719
up face to face with Donald Trump. I think appeals

771
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to Fry in reality, Like I said, this is the

772
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kind of thing as a mayor you want to avoid.

773
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You don't want federal agents fighting your citizens and cops

774
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and running through the street and grabbing people. I mean,

775
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.559
like it's just it's if you just kind of keep

776
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.599
quiet and run your city, that doesn't happen. And it

777
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.440
well run cities. I mean, you don't hear a whole

778
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.039
lot about San Diego or Nashville other than the tech

779
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.679
boom or something like that. They're sort of doing their things.

780
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.880
Top ten, Top twenty cities in the USA. Minneapolis, on

781
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.440
the other hand's been very prominent since Floyd's death, and

782
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.800
again Fry was exploiting as a harsh word, but was

783
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:06.440
one of the guys on the front lines at that

784
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.800
I mean he was kissing George Floyd's golden casket and

785
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.920
pretending to cry. And he definitely he's been a national

786
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.599
figure really since that point in early twenty.

787
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.679
Twenty, right exactly. And how has it served the community?

788
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:20.880
There?

789
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.880
Is the community better offer? Are they are? They just

790
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.880
haven't quite discovered that you know, Fry is for himself

791
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:31.039
and he's not for the community. Hasn't really advanced the community.

792
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.199
I mean, they're still recovering, you know, from all the

793
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.199
damage done, you know, for the George Floyd writes thank

794
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.039
you very much, not only that community, but others across

795
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.320
the country, something like what totaling four billion dollars in damage,

796
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:47.880
property loss, job loss. I mean, it's just an absolute disaster,

797
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.480
you know. Will I was looking at these stats and

798
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.800
I thought this was interesting that Bill Clinton during his

799
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:59.000
administration deported twelve and a half million illegals. Right, no protests,

800
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.840
no rights, Okay, George W. Bush deport's ten point three million,

801
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:08.599
no protests, no riots. Barack Obama five point two million,

802
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.760
no protests, no riots, Donald Trump a fraction one and

803
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.199
a half million, and you've got over three hundred and

804
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.559
fifty protests and riots.

805
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.760
Yeah. I mean, so a lot of this is just

806
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:26.719
that protest activity and political behavior doesn't really track with reality,

807
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.719
attracts with impressions. So, I mean, during the whole George

808
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.079
Floyd crisis, the Skeptic Research Center good libertarian think tank,

809
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.079
looked at how many unarmed black people the average citizen

810
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:40.719
thought were killed by the cops each year, and the

811
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.519
figures like ten thousand, this on the left side of

812
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.920
the fence. Conservatives were much closer. But I mean, the reality,

813
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.639
as you know, is that the total number of unarmed,

814
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.960
unarmed black people shot annually by the cops is like twenty.

815
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.480
If you add in everyone else working, poor whites, Ethnics,

816
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.480
Native Americans on reservations, it's it's well under one hundred.

817
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.760
So people were operating and that led to riots and

818
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.400
so forth on the basis of this false impression. And

819
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.320
it's the same thing now, like if you were to

820
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:14.400
ask a liberal who deported the most people in the

821
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:18.760
past twenty to thirty years, they wouldn't say. They would

822
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.079
never say Obama, who was over five million and who

823
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.320
called himself the deporter in chief. They probably wouldn't say Bush,

824
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.840
who was a nice, sort of cuddly guy in his way.

825
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.599
Everyone would say Trump. And that's factually not real and

826
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.760
in fact, it's blocking larger scale deportations by Trump that

827
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.960
people think this. I mean, so you're getting this hysterical

828
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.360
reaction where one of the reasons Barack Obama was able

829
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.000
to deport so many people is that he was seen

830
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.800
as a Democrat but decent on immigration. So even blue

831
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.599
cities would just give him their rosters of people that

832
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.800
were in jail that were criminal illegals, and Obama then

833
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.840
had a pretty easy job. He would send ice to

834
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.280
the jail house, they would grab the guy, and they

835
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.320
would take him down to Mexico or Columbia or whatever.

836
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.519
With Trump, I know Minnesota, I know Minneapolis County and

837
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.159
Hennepin County flatly refused to do that. They won't put

838
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.719
illegal aliens in any situation where Donald Trump could deport them.

839
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.840
And that that's what leads to this crazy situation where

840
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.880
you have police defending and mobs of people protesting for

841
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.280
some guy and the guy turns out to be a rapist,

842
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.000
like a lot of these guys have been the worst

843
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.440
of the worst, like those two long pedophiles that were

844
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.320
allegedly living in one house. One of them already turned

845
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.159
out to be in prison. He'd gotten picked up for

846
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.159
something else while he was on the run for immigration.

847
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.199
So that that is who people are fighting for in

848
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.320
some of the blue states, And again it's due to

849
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:42.960
political partisanship.

850
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.719
Well, you know, in this type of crisis management, you know,

851
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.679
Trump had to do something. He had to get Christy

852
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.880
Noman and Greg Bovino out of there because they represented

853
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.639
the type of action that was just igniting things there.

854
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.199
And so you bring home and in you know, of

855
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.760
law enforcement, law enforcement guy and tries to reason and

856
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.440
believes that he has some ground of agreement with Fry

857
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.760
and Waltz, but no. Sooner on the other side of

858
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.280
a news conference, you know, they're claiming, well, there's no

859
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.039
agreement and everything. But Trump had to back off and

860
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.159
just say, look it all right, you guys want it

861
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.239
that way, you can have it that way. And when

862
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.559
you're you know, finally are fed up with dealing with it,

863
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.079
then you can ask me nicely and say please, and

864
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.679
maybe I'll come back and help you.

865
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.960
Yeah, I mean so, I actually I think there's a

866
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:41.239
big place for ruthless a moral leadership when you're the king. Basically,

867
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.119
when you're the president of the United States and you

868
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:44.559
you know, you talk about that with your priest, but

869
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.400
you're gonna have to make decisions about war so on.

870
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.280
I actually always kind of liked the w Bush or

871
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.880
even Barack Obama approached to very ruthless decisions, which was

872
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.480
like I'm gonna smile and wear a Brooks brother suit

873
00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.239
and kill a lot of people if we're being block

874
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.920
I mean, Bush was responsible for the victory and Gulf

875
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.079
War two. Donald Trump has a different approach, more of

876
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.239
a businessman's approach, which is, you know, I'm going to

877
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.000
directly take on the opposition face to face, and seventy

878
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.400
five percent of the time I'm gonna win, and other

879
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:18.119
times you're gonna lead into this complex, confusing situation where

880
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:20.119
like in Minneapolis, at some point both sides are just

881
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.400
going to declare victory, like ICE is gonna get up

882
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.559
to their five thousand in person total, they're gonna leave.

883
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.840
The city's gonna cheer and Ice is gonna cheer. I

884
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.039
don't know if that's more productive than the back room

885
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.159
meetings where you get the list of every criminal illegal.

886
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:35.960
And I think Holman would have been able to do

887
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.440
that starting off, and then you take him out of there.

888
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.440
I will say, as a caveat here, once you decide

889
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.480
to go with like the bigger, let's say, fist approach,

890
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.440
I would personally stick with it. Like I don't know

891
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.400
if I would have taken Norman Bovino out of there.

892
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.079
You know, Donald Trump obviously has information we don't but

893
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.199
the whole thing was Minneapolis is outraged because they feel

894
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.920
that Ice murdered two innocent people. But I just didn't

895
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.639
murder two innocent people. I mean pretty For example, is

896
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.519
one of the signal fighters that we were talking about,

897
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:11.639
we now on video. This came out after the Bobino decision.

898
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.519
We've seen him in two other fights with the cops,

899
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.679
you know, and one he's fighting pretty hard, they take

900
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.079
him down, he breaks a rip and another one he's

901
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.440
the sole instigator. He kicks the five hundred dollars tail

902
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.119
light out of a vehicle and he's literally and I

903
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.719
don't mean to mock the guy, but he's screaming, assault me,

904
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.360
sualt me, fight me. And there's a point where like, Okay,

905
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.079
I mean we're all adult males. You're standing outside yelling this.

906
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:35.599
I mean, I'm a cop. What are you happen?

907
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.360
I don't want you to be disappointed. So here I am,

908
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.280
you know, I mean, what's up?

909
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.480
Like, It's just there's there's a point where this kind

910
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.840
of provocation is going to be responded to. So no,

911
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.480
I don't I don't think Ice murdered anybody. The renee

912
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.920
Good situation where it's a mom and someone is sad,

913
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.719
but you can't take your escalator or whatever and drive

914
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.800
it at a at a federal officer. So sometimes they're

915
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.119
gonna shoot, sometimes they're not, but they're not even investigating

916
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.639
that case. That's a good shoot according to definitely the

917
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.079
federal rallies. I don't think the local boys are investigating

918
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.039
in there. So you have all this noise and then

919
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.840
you have the reality of no, there aren't any unprovoked murders.

920
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.719
And in that context, I probably i'd keep them on

921
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.280
the ground. But you know, we saw the decision made.

922
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.679
Yeah, well I have a tendency to agree with you

923
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.039
on that, and I kept saying, they need to just

924
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.559
bring the paddy wagons out. Just bring the paddy wagons out,

925
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.639
get these people, put them in the back of the bus,

926
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.519
go detain them, let them cool off somewhere for a while,

927
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.559
put them through the process, and you know, start attacking

928
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.960
these because basically, to me, will these people are the

929
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.039
people that are in a theater yelling fire.

930
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.840
Yeah. Now, there actually is a technical reason that we're

931
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:51.559
probably both familiar with why they can't do that. The

932
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.480
governor is walls and so there's this incredibly if you

933
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.599
talk to a cop off the record from Minnesota, and

934
00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:59.599
I don't know if this is all formal policy, but

935
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.239
what does say is we were told not to interfere

936
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.599
with these signal idiots. And it'll be phrased in those terms,

937
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.719
like you know, if law enforcement has each other's back off,

938
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.079
an ice guy's being beaten to that, they'd probably jump in.

939
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.159
But even at the level of like two guys with

940
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.159
fighting sticks confronting an agent, the agent has his gun out,

941
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.639
the police are not supposed to get involved. And that

942
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.800
led directly to at least the Renee Good death of

943
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.039
my Opigon. So like this, this is the policy there.

944
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.119
So for Trump to get the patties out and round

945
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.639
up all these people, I mean, you'd probably have to

946
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.400
use federal I mean, they're a federal prison in town.

947
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.440
I guess you could do it, but you'd have to

948
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.800
deputize prison guards. You'd have to bring in hundreds of

949
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.079
people from the federal side of the fence, because the

950
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.639
state authorities have said that they're not going to get involved.

951
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.719
And that again ties it to where a sanctuary state,

952
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.519
where a rebel state. And again you've got to emphasize

953
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.360
how crazy it is that people are saying things like

954
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.360
we're a sanctuary state, where a rebel state. That's General

955
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.880
Sherman talk without the army in gray, you know. But

956
00:50:58.440 --> 00:50:59.920
that's where we are well.

957
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.199
And but to me, it's kind of like we're back

958
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.960
in kindergarten and we're in the sandbox of life, and

959
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.039
you learn real quick that if you're going to be

960
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.960
mastered by a bully, if you don't bully a bully,

961
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.360
you're going to end up being mastered by that bully

962
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.480
throughout your educational career. Right.

963
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.320
Yeah, Well, it's like the old line about it. If

964
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.199
you go to jail after a high school fight or

965
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.880
something like that and someone challenges you to fight, you

966
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.880
have to fight. I mean, you're not going to win.

967
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.960
Probably that guy's had a lot more time to work

968
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.360
out than you. But it's just it's either that or

969
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.480
you're going to be abused, perhaps quite literally for the

970
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.360
six months or whatever you're sitting there. That's true, I mean,

971
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.159
it's I mean, that's true in a lot of hyper

972
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.119
competitive environments athletics. So yeah, I would say that the

973
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:47.000
same thing is true here. There's a weird kind of

974
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.719
sort of cry bullying that goes on on the US

975
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:54.360
political left where people are behaving in a pretty aggressive,

976
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.880
pretty sociopathic way. What do you think about it when

977
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.400
they're saying things like, we won't let you enforce the law. Here,

978
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.440
here are are armed people to stop you from enforcing

979
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.239
the law. But it's combined with this sort of like

980
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.800
how dare you hit back at us? We're just innocent

981
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.360
little children. All of that. That's why students are always

982
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.800
put on the front lines of these violent demonstrations. White

983
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:21.159
people are now being encouraged to frontline because their privilege

984
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.639
will protect them quote unquote. That's why they have those

985
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.880
moms out there. If you remember the line of moms

986
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.960
from the Portland riotsland, they rioted for one hundred days,

987
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:31.519
and one of the reasons the agents didn't just go

988
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.599
out there and break them like the times they assembled

989
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.360
with the shields up, was that the fighters would immediately

990
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.960
run away and you'd have this group of like mothers

991
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.679
holding babies and so on. Left at some point like

992
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.719
you can't beat them down, but you've got to be

993
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.960
willing to arrest those people too, But it's very, very

994
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:50.599
tough to do that.

995
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.639
Yeah, I hear you, well, food for thought. We'll let

996
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:56.599
our audience chew on that for a little bit as

997
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.000
we continue to try to process the insanity. And that's

998
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.440
that's the tough thing is you're you're trying to process

999
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.480
this craziness that's going on. Doctor Wilfrid Riley, Professor of

1000
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political Science at Kentucky State University, Thank you well, take care,

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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

1038
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:25.920
Hey, good morning America. Good to have you with us.

1039
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.639
Six minutes after the top of the hour. Right now,

1040
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.320
we got Drew Thomas Allen. He's the author of For

1041
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.519
Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. Drew, good

1042
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:35.079
to have you with us.

1043
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.079
How you doing, Hey, Bill good Man, It's great to

1044
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:37.480
be with you.

1045
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:42.360
Thank you well. Congratulations on the book for Christ and Country.

1046
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:46.639
And I got to imagine, you know, I'm hearing the

1047
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.440
response has just been very positive. So congratulations.

1048
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:51.840
Yeah, I appreciate it.

1049
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.039
I mean, I hope it will continue to resonate with

1050
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.599
a lot of people out there who are struggling to

1051
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.079
try to understand, you know, how that could happen in

1052
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:02.599
this country and where we go you.

1053
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.800
Know next, Well, the challenge we've had and we saw

1054
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.880
this creeping in and this is why, you know, for

1055
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:11.800
our show, we've been eighteen years now plus, and the

1056
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.360
basis of the show was to be in pursuit of

1057
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.920
the truth, the whole truth, nothing but no matter where

1058
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.320
it led. And of course the basis, the predicate of

1059
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.719
it was a biblical worldview. And that's what we've held

1060
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.039
to from day one because we knew the truth was

1061
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.519
under attack. And you talk about, you know what the

1062
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.480
left has done, how it's obliterated the truth. How it

1063
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:37.440
continues just to flat out lie. There's just it's beyond deception.

1064
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.159
And the thing is is they have truly convinced themselves

1065
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.239
that they are they are right, And when you run

1066
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:50.800
up against an ideologue like that, there's no reasoning with them.

1067
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:51.039
Is there?

1068
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.039
No, there's really not. I mean, what Charlie did so

1069
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.840
well is he would draw it out of them. And

1070
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.000
you know, if you want to debate these people, you

1071
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.039
do have to spend a lot of time studying the

1072
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.079
issues because you can be a leftist and be lazy

1073
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.639
because their ideology and their opinions and their policies are

1074
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.079
rooted in lies. So they can be lazy, you know,

1075
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.960
the leftist has that ability. But if you want to

1076
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.880
be a truth teller, like you know, let's go back

1077
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:18.039
to Christianity, go forth and make disciples of all nations.

1078
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.760
Something I realized about myself in the aftermath of Charlie's

1079
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.199
death Bill despite being a Christian my whole life is

1080
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.079
that if some atheists walked up to me in a

1081
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.679
cafe and was actually seeking to learn about Jesus Christ

1082
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.519
and wanted was open to conversion, open to learning about Jesus.

1083
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:36.079
I didn't. I wasn't equipped to do it. It wasn't

1084
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:41.159
enough to simply believe in the fundamental, important belief that Jesus,

1085
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:43.440
you know, was the Son of God, came, died and

1086
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.159
rose again for our sins. That's not going to convince somebody.

1087
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.000
You've got to have mastery, and Charlie Kirk demonstrated that

1088
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.159
he had a mastery over various subjects in this country.

1089
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.599
So you know, the calling for us is to emulate

1090
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.559
that and imitate that and strive like Charlie did to

1091
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.199
you know, he represented American exceptionalism. So we've got to

1092
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.159
improve ourselves each and every day. But you're right, I mean,

1093
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.000
the left believes they themselves are gods. We believe in

1094
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:13.480
a transcendent power, and you know, moral absolutes. They believe

1095
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:17.000
in moral relativism, and they reject scripture, reject the Judeo

1096
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.239
Christian and Christian founding of this nation. And so it

1097
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.079
is tough because they don't have any guardrails.

1098
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:22.719
Right.

1099
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.280
Well, I like what Augustine said, you know, to your

1100
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.079
point is that he said that we should always present

1101
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.199
the Gospel and sometimes use words.

1102
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.519
That's right, that's right. But you know, you get people

1103
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.960
reading the Bible, you're onto something in Augustine of course too.

1104
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:41.239
You put that scripture in front of him, give them

1105
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:42.079
those gospels.

1106
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:43.679
It will do most of the work.

1107
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.639
Yeah, there's no question. But people always will also look

1108
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.519
at you, you know, and the things they did at Charlie. Yes,

1109
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.159
you know, they debated the issue, and you know, people

1110
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.280
get uncomfortable because he asked him questions. You know, he

1111
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.760
was socratic in his approach, you know. And you ask

1112
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.679
the questions and just hear them out, and like you said,

1113
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.599
you find out really quick the depth of their conviction,

1114
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.719
and in many case the depth of their conviction is

1115
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.719
about a dime deep. But this is also something that

1116
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.400
we and your point is well made that as people

1117
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.440
of faith, as Christians, we should not be a dime

1118
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.880
deep in our faith. You know, we must study to

1119
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.320
show ourselves approved, if not only for ourselves, because the

1120
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.679
battle is constant. We battle, we battle demonic forces on

1121
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.360
a constant moment twenty four to seven basis. So we're

1122
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.599
not claiming perfection here. We're living the battle out and

1123
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:41.440
because of our experience on the battlefield, that brings us

1124
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.280
into the marketplace with a different type of force. You

1125
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:46.800
know called experience, right.

1126
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.719
Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean much of this book it's purpose.

1127
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.920
I mean one, it's a it's a it's a personal

1128
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.920
account of my own transformation the aftermath of Charlie's death, right,

1129
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.960
And really the fundamental change was I saw in Charlie

1130
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.400
what I wanted to become. And the thing that was

1131
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.480
holding me back was I was kind of an autopilot Christian.

1132
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:09.639
And so I wondered, you know, okay, how can a

1133
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.599
man like this younger than me? He was thirty one,

1134
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.400
I'm thirty eight. You know what separated him from so

1135
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:17.559
many others, politicians and just anybody out there is that

1136
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:19.880
he sought out debate and he enjoyed it. He didn't

1137
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.760
get mad, he relished it. How where did he find

1138
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.960
that conviction from? Well, he found it from scripture. He

1139
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.159
found it from deepening his faith and becoming the Charlie

1140
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.199
that we saw at the end of his life, which

1141
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:34.800
was almost this hybrid pastor, you know, politician of sorts.

1142
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.280
And so that was kind of the journey and stepping

1143
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.280
off point for me, and I have done that, and

1144
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.039
you know, a lot of things happened in my life

1145
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.679
around the same time Charlie died. You know, I was

1146
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.440
involved in a split up at a church I went to.

1147
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.280
I was church planting. We were already building a successful

1148
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:52.079
church with a lot of the members from there and others,

1149
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.199
a lot of young people coming there were Bible based.

1150
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.519
And it's forced me to be an activated and active Christian.

1151
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.719
You know, Christians have to be activists. So so too

1152
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.239
do you have to be for you a parent or

1153
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.559
a system of this country. You can't hand it over

1154
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:07.599
to the radical left. And you know something strange, Bill,

1155
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.559
it's so odd to say. You know, watching of course,

1156
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:15.000
and you know, seeing and witnessing Charlie die, it didn't

1157
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.480
instill me with fear. It actually absolved me of the

1158
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.719
lingering fear I had of condemnation of man or whatever.

1159
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.400
There aren't many left but Democrat friends I used to have.

1160
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.039
It's gone now. And it is because if you seek

1161
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.280
the affirmation of God and not the affirmation of man,

1162
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.119
you are free.

1163
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.559
Right. Well, that's what Jesus went to the cross for,

1164
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.320
to set us free. And when you realize, I mean

1165
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.519
you look historically here he is. Jesus dies on the

1166
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:48.599
cross as brutal as it was, I think sometimes and

1167
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.440
I was mentioning to our audience before. I think sometimes

1168
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:55.039
the depiction of Jesus on the cross is in itself

1169
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.840
a false narrative, because that's not the way Jesus looked

1170
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.159
on the cross. I mean, they turned his body into hamburger.

1171
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.119
I mean, they sliced him up in all kinds of ways.

1172
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.800
I mean so much sort. You know, even the Bible said,

1173
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.360
you'd be he was going to be unrecognizable, you know,

1174
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.760
but we see this cleaned up version of Christ on

1175
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.519
the cross that aside all that he went through. Now,

1176
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:21.000
because of what he went through and what he miraculously

1177
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:25.880
accomplished by the resurrection, it emboldened his followers to such

1178
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.000
a degree that eleven of the twelve were martyred. I mean,

1179
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.840
if it was a bogus concept, you think eleven of

1180
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.840
his twelve followers would be would accept martyrdom.

1181
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.760
Yeah, yeah, no, that's right, that's right. I mean there's

1182
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so much. What's amazing about Christianity which truly separates it

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from other religions out there, is that the more skeptical

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you are, and the more you try and pick apart

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the faith and prove it wrong, the more it proves

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itself right and That's been my experience too. I love

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you know, apologists and apologetic around Christianity as well. You know,

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faith is important, that you have to have that, but

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you can approach it like Lee Strobel and these you

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know journalists who were atheists that converted through exactly that.

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And you know Charlie, you know, absolutely was a martyr

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and a martyr in our time. And it's not just

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because he was killed for his beliefs, which were rooted

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in his Christian faith and scripture and following Jesus Christ.

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It's the it's the what happened afterwards, Like you were saying,

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you know, after the deaths of the first martyr Steven

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or you know, Paul or Peter, you know, go down

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the list. It didn't instill fear in the population. It

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expanded the faith. And that's what Charlie's effect had on me.

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Even though I was a Christian, I was just I

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was like so many Christians out there, you know. And

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I've seen that across this country. People that didn't even

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know Charlie learned who he was after he died. Bible

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sales sword, i mean, the the vigils, and around this

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country they were reminiscent of you know, a funeral for

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you know a head of state. You know Ronald Reagan

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or Billograham's crusades, And it was just a testament to

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how how much he accomplished in his young life.

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Got to go to quick break. We'll pick it up

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here Withdrew Thomas Allen. He's

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the author of Poor Christ and Country to Martyr him

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01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:05.079
Charlie Kirk. You're exactly right, Drew, as you were saying

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that it was amazing the response and the way people

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01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:13.359
embraced and they embraced the death of Charlie Kirk in

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01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:15.640
a way that is mind blowing for those in the

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01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.760
left that are so ideologically fixed. I mean, when was

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01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.279
the last time you had anybody on the left that

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01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:28.039
could be a leader of the left die like Charlie

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01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.640
Kirk and have this kind of response. I don't recall one.

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No, no, it wouldn't exist because it's rooted in falsehoods, right.

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01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.279
I think also the subject matter because it seems that

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01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.000
those leaders on the left it's all about them. I mean,

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01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:45.840
look at these government officials right now. They go in

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01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.439
they barely have two dimes to rub together, and in

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01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:52.680
a couple of years they're multi millionaires. And you know,

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01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.279
and there's just something wrong about this, But it tells

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01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.960
you again, what is the subject. What's the object of

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01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.680
your affection? Is it you or is it the people?

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01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:03.880
What I appreciated about Charlie, what I could see in

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01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.199
Charlie was it wasn't about him. He was on those

1319
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:10.039
college campuses and he knew he was putting his life.

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He suspected that his life was at risk, and he

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01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:15.760
did it because he did it for these kids that

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01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.239
were lost, and he was out there to show them away,

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01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:22.479
to give them an example. And there's no doubt. I mean,

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01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.359
you know, people have probably asked God a million times,

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01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:27.520
why would you kill Charlie when he was doing all

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01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.840
this great work. But then as we see historically, you know,

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01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.800
as the Bible said, unless the seed falls to the ground,

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you know, and so what evil meant for bad, God

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01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.800
turns in for good. And look at the multiplication factor, right.

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01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, great point. You know it's worth pointing

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01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:50.680
out theologically. You know, I lived my life this way

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01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:52.520
for a long time too. Where I was I was

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01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.720
the you know, center of my story, right, it was

1334
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.359
all about me, and we're not living our own story

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01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:01.159
per se, you know, it's God's greater sh story and

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01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:03.479
you know, the Bible is much of that story, but

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01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.600
that story is not over right because Jesus has not

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01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:11.479
come back again. And that's a big realization, which is,

1339
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.720
you know, there's the upper story, God's story and then

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01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.279
the lower story, our story. And to your point, God

1341
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:21.279
uses all of these things. And whether you choose to

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01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.079
be a hero or villain in this biblical tale that

1343
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.760
still persists and continues right now, God's going to use

1344
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:29.359
the villains and he's going to use the heroes no

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01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.279
matter what, because the end of the day, it's his

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01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.279
will that is going to be accomplished through good through bad.

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01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.760
And you know Charlie's Testament, you know, you know absolute

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01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.439
example of that, and it's painful, but you know, look,

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01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.760
we have a very little you know, we're but a mist,

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as the Bible says, and you know, when you when

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01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.840
you really embrace that Christian faith, it almost gives you

1352
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:57.159
a superpower because you know what's after this is much better.

1353
01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:58.840
And this is a short period.

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01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:03.239
Right exactly well, and you know, as you say, it

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01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.000
is just a moment, a moment in time. But also

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we need to realize, number one, God loves you. I mean,

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if there's anything you get from this conversation. Understand this.

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More than anything, God loves you. He's demonstrated time and

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01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.079
again how much he loves you. Just think about that.

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If you can think about how God loves you, and

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01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.000
you know, just open your eyes. You know, the Bible

1362
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.760
says it's so obvious, it's right there. But I just

1363
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.199
pray that you accept and can see the love of God.

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Number one. Number two, Jesus came. Yes, he came to

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save us from our sin, to be the answer, so

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that we could be back where we belong. We're like,

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01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.000
you know, we're foreigners. You talk about immigrants. I mean

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01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:48.239
we are in a foreign land aching for our homeland.

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01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.560
And our homeland is not in the here and now.

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It is in the hereafter. The next thing to realize

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is that, yes, Jesus came, and he's coming again, and

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01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:03.399
all indications are drew a lot sooner than people realize.

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01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:08.039
Every day it becomes sooner and sooner his return. Right.

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01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.800
No, that's that's exactly right. But you know, I just

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01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.640
want to issue one caveat, and that's that as we

1376
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:17.159
talk about, you know, God's glory and his plan for us,

1377
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:20.000
that doesn't mean that you're called to be on autopilot

1378
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.880
and do nothing with your life that Jesus is just

1379
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.680
you know, that's that's not the message either. You know,

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01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:30.039
we have to fight, you know, to to restore God's

1381
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.520
morality and to live up to his expectations for us

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01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:37.119
while we are here. You know, we don't just sit

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01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:39.319
here bedridden, you know, and wait for him to come again.

1384
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.159
That is not the calling. You know again, go forth

1385
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.520
and make disciples of all nations. That is a command.

1386
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.319
And you know we need to be very courageous about

1387
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.000
talking about, uh, what's what we're really facing right now.

1388
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.840
And you know it's a violent, militant left that has

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a lot, a lot, a lot in common with Jehadis.

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01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:57.960
You know, one does it in the name of religion,

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01:13:57.960 --> 01:13:59.439
the other does it in the name of progress. But

1392
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.760
the leftist ideology is a religion unto itself. And of

1393
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:07.000
course their alter is power. And that's this dehumanization, this

1394
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:08.880
climate of hatred. You know, that's what's in this book

1395
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:11.159
that I want people to understand that why the left

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01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:14.560
is this way and to make sure that they are

1397
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.359
held accountable for it, because there hasn't really been any accountability.

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01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:20.239
Every time there's an assassination attempt or in this case

1399
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:24.600
a successful one, or violent acts against conservatives. The left

1400
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.399
doubles down on calling us fascists and dehumanize, dehumanizing us

1401
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.319
even further, and that needs to stop.

1402
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.520
Yeah, well, exactly well, two things that you bring up.

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01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:36.880
First of all, you're exactly right. We're not told because

1404
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:40.760
our eternity is assured, that we should sit back on

1405
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.800
the couch and eat bonbonds and watch the view. No,

1406
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.119
that's not what it's about. In fact, there's the parable

1407
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.479
of the talents, right, and Jesus spoke that for a

1408
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:55.000
specific reason that demonstrated that, look at we all have

1409
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.920
a job to do. Okay, Like Mark Twain said, he says,

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01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.039
the two important days in your life is number one

1411
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.439
when you're born and number two when you discover why.

1412
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:09.399
I think that that's brilliant coming from Mark Twain. Still

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01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.439
something to think about. So the talents issue, we need

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01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.439
to be activated Christians. Wherever way you do it, however

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01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:17.560
God's called you to do it. He may call you

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01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.680
to become an apologist, to be talking like Charlie in

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01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:23.039
front of thousands upon thousands of people. It may just

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01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:25.760
be one person. You know, after all, what it took

1419
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:30.000
was one pastor that changed Billy Graham's life. When you

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01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.560
read that story, right, you just never know and or

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01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:37.439
it's just because you smiled at somebody. You didn't even

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01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:41.560
say anything, like Saint Augustine says, Hey, you know, always

1423
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.760
preach the gospel and sometimes use words, so you know

1424
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.720
those things you know, to consider there that we must

1425
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.960
do what God calls us to do and to as

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01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:54.960
you say, drew to be activated.

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01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.159
Well, it's funny because so many people, include myself, right,

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01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.079
you're looking for purpose all the time, and you're looking

1429
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.920
for in your work and your job and how society

1430
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:06.239
you know, looks upon you right, looking for prestige. I'm

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01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:08.600
the VP of this, or I'm the CEO, or you know,

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01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:10.840
I make this amount of money, and I promise and

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01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:13.079
guarantee you you will never find fulfillment in that. And

1434
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:16.000
I never found fulfillment in that either. But it's interesting,

1435
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:20.039
while you're looking elsewhere for purpose, every single Christian has

1436
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:24.279
the same purpose, which is to follow Christ, which is

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01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:27.520
to be an activist in their faith. And that will

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01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.760
fill your cup. That's filled my cup so much. It's

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01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.720
something that I didn't have honestly my whole life because

1440
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:35.520
I never embraced it and put my faith first. And Bill,

1441
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:40.479
my marriage has improved. I've become a better father, better husband,

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01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.920
a better friend every aspect of my life. I have

1443
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.079
an energy that I didn't even have before, you know.

1444
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:48.439
I mean, I live in California working on East Coast time.

1445
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:50.760
I'm a publicist for all these people, including you know,

1446
01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:54.119
Charlie was our client for Right Wing Revolution. I do

1447
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.640
a podcast, so I'm busy and there aren't enough hours

1448
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.680
in the day. And I was just tired because I

1449
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.800
was doing it and I didn't know why. And now

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01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:04.840
I understand. You know, it is about further in that mission,

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01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:09.760
and every Christian can find deep satisfaction and purpose in

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01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:12.119
that right exactly well.

1453
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.199
And as you say, you know, you talk about in

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01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.880
terms of fulfillment, you know, and I did a deep

1455
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.119
down study on this, and when I was an adjunct

1456
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.640
professor in California, you know, I was sharing with the

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01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:26.319
kids that the critical issues of life is that you know,

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01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.520
when you're employed, is number one, you need to find

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01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.159
a job that you enjoy doing because you're going to

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01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:32.880
spend eight to ten hours on it, so it should

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01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.840
be fun. And the second thing is that you should

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01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.680
demonstrate a level of competence. So if you're a brain

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01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:40.720
surgeon and you're killing nine out of ten people, you

1464
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.800
probably need to find another gig, right just saying. The

1465
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.000
third thing is the giftings and talents that God has

1466
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:49.039
blessed you with must be exercised and grown. What I

1467
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:51.239
found in a lot of companies is you had a

1468
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:53.600
lot of frustrated employees because they were round pegs and

1469
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.279
square holes. They weren't designed for the position that they

1470
01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.039
got placed in. And so you need to find that

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01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:02.079
sweet spot where your giftings and talents aligned with the

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needs of the organization or your company. The fourth thing

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is that if all these things are being within you,

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01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.359
all these giftings and talents are being exercised and grown,

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01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:14.479
you're going to be a happy camper. And when I

1476
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:17.119
told the kids at that time, I said, it's going

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01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:20.920
to lead to fulfillment, because that only represented ten percent

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01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.199
of the US labor force. According to the US Labor Statistics,

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01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:27.279
only ten percent of the US labor force finds themselves

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to be fulfilled. And it says I was saying this

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01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.640
in the class, the Holy Spirit gave me a download

1482
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.119
and I told the kids, I go Hey, the Holy

1483
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.119
Spirit just gave me a fresh download. Don't think for

1484
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.760
a second this came from me. Okay, this is directly

1485
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.359
from God, because I said, the highest calling you would

1486
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.840
want is fulfillment, and the Holy Spirit said, oh no,

1487
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.600
it's freedom, that's the highest calling. Going back full circle

1488
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.479
what we talked about, I'll let you wrap it up.

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01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:51.920
Go ahead.

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01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.720
Well, you're right, you're right, and you know you should

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01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.840
you should bring You know, ultimately, your mission as a

1492
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.680
Christian should align with whatever you're doing in your professional

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01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:03.760
life as well, and it absolutely can. And that's why

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01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.079
you saw Charlie Kirk. He was really really you could

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01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.520
see a man that was full. His life was full,

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01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:10.840
and he knew from an early age. A lot of

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01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.119
people never figured out. He figured out early what his

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01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:16.199
purpose was and he was living it out until the

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01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.600
moment he died. And you know, God bless him and

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01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.640
his family and what he continues to do for this country.

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01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.000
You know, we owe him a debt of gratitude, and

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01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.000
you know, his race is over, Bill and ours is

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01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:27.640
just beginning, and we got to pick up the baton.

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01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:28.840
That's the calling of the book.

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01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.800
Hey man, threw Thomas Salin He's the author for Christ

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01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:34.319
and Country, the Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk Drew. Thank you

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so much, God speed, my friend, God bless you. Thanks.

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Well, good morning, welcome back, Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here. For more information on the show, you're

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going to be joining us in just a moment to

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talk about behind the mask, the new data that's revealing

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surgeon burnout and we're told that it's reaching critical levels.

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More than fifty percent of surgeons report feeling frequent burnout

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and the Board Certified Thorastic Surgeon Africa. Wallace is with

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us to tell us all about this important information, sharing

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with us the survey insights and perspective about the potential

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impact of surgeon burnout on healthcare Africa. Welcome Michelle, good

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to have you with us.

1583
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:56.239
Good morning, Thank you for having me Bill.

1584
01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:00.600
Well, doctor Wallace, I mean you've been studying this. You're

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a surgeon yourself, so this is near and dear to

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your heart, and you're you know, shouting out for all

1587
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the other fellow surgeons that are feeling, you know, frequent burnout.

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Absolutely, this is near and dear to my heart, and

1589
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I'm proud to be a part of this work and

1590
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to give voice to the surgeons who have the courage

1591
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to speak up about it.

1592
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Well, it's amazing, doctor Wallace, that this new data is

1593
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revealing a profession under strain, and it seems to make sense.

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I mean when you stop and think about it. I mean,

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everybody's about their busy worlds and they never really stopped

1596
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to think for a moment, what, you know, what kind

1597
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of stress this proficion is enduring. So it's important that

1598
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you're here today to bring a light to the stress

1599
01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:47.760
that these surgeons are under.

1600
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:51.159
Yeah, thank you. And so I want to highlight some

1601
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.720
of the things that the survey actually brought out. You know,

1602
01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.760
the survey is providing a clear picture of what surgeons

1603
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:02.920
are experiencing today. We survey more than fifteen hundred surgeons

1604
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:06.239
across five countries, and you're right, it really wasn't surprising

1605
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:09.560
to hear that more than half of them experience burnout

1606
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.000
some of the time. Now this I didn't say that

1607
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.800
for a headline, and I'm not trying to be an alarmist,

1608
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.760
but this is a signal that we should be taken seriously.

1609
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:22.840
Right because look at this impacts you know, our fellow

1610
01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:25.560
humanoids in this journey of life and certainly in the

1611
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:30.800
important position that they're in. And as a result, doctor Watson,

1612
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:35.159
I mean, how many brilliant surgeons are we losing because

1613
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:35.840
of burnout?

1614
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:37.319
Yeah?

1615
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:40.079
Well, when we did our survey, what we found was

1616
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:44.840
that more than forty percent of surgeons that experience burnout

1617
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.880
frequently said they thought about leaving the field. Now, to

1618
01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:53.520
replace the surgeon is not easy, it doesn't happen fast,

1619
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:57.199
and it's pretty costly, and so when a surgeon walks

1620
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:01.279
away from their practice, patients feel they feel it by

1621
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.199
longer way times, there could be lack of access to

1622
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:07.920
specialized care, and then the teams that are left behind

1623
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.560
feel it because they have an extra burden. So we're

1624
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:15.880
hoping that this conversation really helps people understand that we

1625
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.159
need to support the people, and surgeons are human beings

1626
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.079
like everyone else. Support the people that take care of

1627
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.640
all of us so that they can get back to

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01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.520
the business of taking care of patients.

1629
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:29.000
Well, because that's their heart, isn't it.

1630
01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:30.199
Absolutely?

1631
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Absolutely, no go ahead.

1632
01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.159
Yeah, no, I was going to say, you know, as

1633
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:40.680
a surgeon myself and I know my fellow surgeons deeply

1634
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:46.560
committed and incredibly committed to patient care, and that's part

1635
01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:47.800
of some of the burden.

1636
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:48.119
You know.

1637
01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.399
It's that moral fatigue, you know, it is that sustained

1638
01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:55.239
purpose that is constantly under pressure, and that's what and

1639
01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:01.279
burnout as a consequence of that. You know, just recognize

1640
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.560
that they give up a lot of personal sacrifice, you know,

1641
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:08.039
the long hours, the unpredictable schedule makes it hard to

1642
01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:10.479
recover and connect at home. There's a lot of guilt

1643
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.439
around not you know, not spending time with your family.

1644
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:18.319
Surgery is harder to do, patients are sicker, you know,

1645
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.600
procedures are harder, and having to manage that entire patient

1646
01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:27.479
journey that is emotionally taxing. And then lastly, the administrative

1647
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.159
burden is much more than people would expect to get

1648
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.439
a patient from before, during, and after surgery. There are

1649
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:36.560
so many non clinical tasks that patient that surgeons are

1650
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required to do, and that really just takes away from

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doing what they love, which is taking care of patients.

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Now and I'm glad you brought that up because I

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think That's one of the things that's so overlooked look at.

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I understand our government wants to look out for us,

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but sometimes they implement regulations in such a way without really,

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you know, having a full understand standing of what's involved here.

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As you say, because at the very start of all this,

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as you said so importantly, and that is that we're

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all human beings and you've got to imagine. I mean,

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01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:12.520
at least I have to imagine. You know it firsthand.

1661
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:14.239
I mean, you've been living it, and I can tell

1662
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.399
from your own heart as you're expressing that you feel

1663
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:21.439
the significance of this. I mean, how often are you

1664
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:24.399
holding life and death in your hand? Everything is right there,

1665
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:28.000
and it's so critical what you're doing with that patient

1666
01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.199
as you take them through that journey to healing.

1667
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.760
Yeah, you know, I think there are a lot of

1668
01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:39.760
layers to this, and it's not just one problem. Yes,

1669
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:43.000
it could be the system, It certainly could be the inefficiencies.

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01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.680
It could be the moral fatigue, It could be the

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pile up of day to day stressors that over time

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just impact the surgeon's ability to care for patients.

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But I know this.

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Surgons are incredibly dedicated and even when things aren't perfect.

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01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.359
Minute you walk through that operating room, you are on

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01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.920
and the patient's safety is really the most important thing

1677
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:09.600
to use. So as much as this is, this is

1678
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:12.439
you know, coming to the surface. First of all, it's

1679
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:15.520
not new. There's a huge body of work out there

1680
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:19.720
talking about surgeon burnout. But more importantly, I know that

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01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:22.760
surgeons have the capability of, even if they're struggling, to

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01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.880
make sure that their number one priority is patient safety

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01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:28.600
and they continue to do that every single day.

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01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:32.199
Yeah, God bless them. Doctor Africa Wallace is whether she's

1685
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:35.560
the global vice president of Medical Affairs Surgery Medtech with

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Johnson and Johnson and a board certified thorastic surgeon at

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01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:43.520
Capital Health. Your research shows that surgeons feel burnout for

1688
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:47.840
different reasons. What are the biggest pressures that they're facing today.

1689
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.439
Yeah, I covered some of them a little earlier, but

1690
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:55.000
I'll run through them really quickly. Clinical intensity patients are sicker,

1691
01:29:55.159 --> 01:30:00.960
things are harder, personal sacrifice, long hours, not feeling connected

1692
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:05.039
to your family, and then the administrative burden, tons of paperwork,

1693
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:08.359
tons of things outside of taking care of patients that

1694
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.439
don't allow you to give the focus and the energy

1695
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.960
and really commit to why you came in the surgery,

1696
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:19.000
which is patient care. Those are the three big ones.

1697
01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:23.720
What about solutions? What do you see as a doctor yourself?

1698
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:26.239
What do you think or maybe the top five things

1699
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:27.960
we could do that make a big difference.

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01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:32.199
Yeah, I think that, you know, surgeons are practical creatures,

1701
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.359
and you know, I think there are because there are

1702
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:39.239
so many different causes and it's a combination of things.

1703
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:43.119
This could be managed on mini levels. So the first

1704
01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.119
one I would say is try to relieve the administrative burden.

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01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:49.640
You know, it could be technology, it could be AI,

1706
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:54.520
just something that would provide relief from all the paperwork. Second,

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01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:57.840
surgeons want to be connected to each other. You know,

1708
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:01.560
surgery is a culture of silence, and you could imagine

1709
01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:04.199
that if someone is suffering from some of these issues,

1710
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:07.119
that it could be incredibly isolating. And what they told

1711
01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:11.880
us was that a simple conversation with their peer would

1712
01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:16.680
be incredibly helpful. Getting support from leadership, you know, not

1713
01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:20.720
just the hospital, but leaders in the field and leaders

1714
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:24.279
within their own departments. You know, the more senior surgeons

1715
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:28.760
helping the mid to and early career surgeons understand that.

1716
01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:31.680
You know, this is something that we've all experienced that

1717
01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:37.680
they're not alone and right exactly, and also providing sort

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01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:40.239
of skill sets that can help them get through it.

1719
01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:43.199
And then lastly, I would say, they're hoping that we

1720
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:47.279
can develop something that would detect us earlier. Earlier recognition

1721
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:52.600
then perhaps maybe even prevent it would be incredibly important.

1722
01:31:52.760 --> 01:31:56.960
And then also providing resources if they actually end up

1723
01:31:57.079 --> 01:31:57.920
being burnt out.

1724
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.439
Well, like you're saying, I think this is key. It

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starts with awareness. Awareness Individually. It's like it's okay, you know,

1726
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:07.960
for an individual, I mean in any kind of field.

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01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.680
I don't care if you're a professional ballplayer or whatever

1728
01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:14.119
you do at work. I mean, if you're feeling the pressure,

1729
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:16.159
you got to, you know, you speak up. And for

1730
01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:19.960
those organizations that allow for somebody to say, hey, look

1731
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:21.840
at I need I need to have a time out here,

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01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:25.560
I mean, those are the businesses that are really taking

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01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:30.159
care of their most important asset, which is their employees.

1734
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:32.680
In this particular case, the doctors. I got to think,

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01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:37.399
are you know the MVPs you know of our lives? Right?

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I like to think I was, but you know, but

1737
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:45.319
you're absolutely right. I think with any profession where there

1738
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.840
is deep dedication and commitment. You can have burnout, so

1739
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.319
it's not just limited to the medical profession. It's not

1740
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:55.399
limited to surgeons. Awareness is the first step, and identify

1741
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:58.720
and solutions is the next step. I think it's our

1742
01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:02.640
responsibility to really take care of each other and take

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01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:04.439
care of those that are taking care of us.

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01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:06.800
Exactly where can they go for more information?

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Thank you for that, you know. To read more about

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the survey, please go to thenext dot janjmittech dot com

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slash behind dash the dash mask.

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Doctor Africa Wallace been our guest to board certified Jurassic

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surgeon at Capital Health. Doctor Wallace, thank you so much,

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Take care be well.

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Hey, good to be with you.

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Well, they tell us democracy dies in darkness. So what

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happens if you're the one that turns out the light?

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Yeah, exactly. I mean you talk about self inflicted stuff.

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They're referring to the Washington Post.

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I mean it's like journalistic suicide.

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Correct, you know, And the Washington Post is kind of unique.

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I know, I don't know if a lot of people

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seen as kind of a global brand. The Wall Street

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journals kind of the same way. The Washington Post has

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had a little bit of an identity crisis for a

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number of decades because it is the local newspaper for

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the most powerful city in the world. Yes, you cover

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national politics, you cover the courts, the government agencies. But

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then also you have there's no suburban you know, daily

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newspapers covering the areas in and around DC. So they

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also have to juggle writing about the roads, the schools,

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the mayors, other local jurisdictions, and those kinds of stories

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and sports at the same time. And it's not as

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big as New York City. As related to that, there's

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sports columnist Dave Kindred wrote a book maybe fifteen twenty

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years ago called Morning Miracle, to the point was a zamracle.

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The paper goes out every day, the.

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Grand family, the people that own it, that owned it

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for the longest time until the early twenty tens when

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Bezos bought it, the ones that are lionized as part

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of Watergate. What are diversy depending on paper, so on

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and so forth. There was always this debate about what

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kind of paper are we. Are we a national paper

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or we a local paper? And they were kind of

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trending towards becoming a national paper, and then Bezos just

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hit the accelerator on that.

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Well, if Bill, if you want to be a national newspaper.

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You have to appeal to the whole country, and so

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you have to be appealing to more than just the

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ninety five percent areas of Washington, DC that vote Democrat

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and the eighty percent Democrat votes in the Washington DC suburbs.

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So there's been kind of this identity crisis with the Post,

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and they've lost a lot of money seventy seven million

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dollars twenty twenty three, one hundred million dollars in twenty

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twenty four, even when you're the world's richest family, Jeff Bezos,

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that's unsustainable.

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Why would you do that?

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Why would you put money into such a losing proposition?

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So something had to change. I'm just not really sure

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about like cutting sports and local news but leaning into politics,

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which leads to the question of what are you offering

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by what remains that is not already available by the

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likes of Politico.

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Right or that even demonstrated that that was in your willhouse,

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and that's what gave you the bigger numbers. I can't believe,

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like you just said. I mean, the disease they have

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is that they're being driven by an ideology that represents

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ninety five percent of siloed Democrats. And so if that's

1887
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already you know, causing you to turn the lights off,

1888
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why do you want to do more of the same? Right,

1889
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it doesn't make business sense to me. Somebody either that

1890
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or I'm missing the calculus here.

1891
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No, No, it's absolutely true. I mean you're just Politico

1892
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with op ed pages, and Bezos had reached this point

1893
01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:05.560
of the disconnect where the editorial page had been tweaked slightly.

1894
01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.600
They brought in somebody from the Never Trump Dispatch site

1895
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to run their editorial boards. So instead of ten times

1896
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:15.000
out of ten their editorials or hair on fire, anti

1897
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Trump hatred, it's now only like maybe seven out of ten.

1898
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And with the left as a lot of people know

1899
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that kind of thing is unforgivable, right, and so you

1900
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have that, But the news.

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Side had not really changed at all.

1902
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Yes, you had the talent, you had the brain drain

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going over to a lot of them going over to

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01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:40.279
The Atlantic, which is basically older viewers and listeners may

1905
01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:43.199
recall the New Republic's influence in the nineteen nineties with

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01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:47.800
Bill Clinton the official magazine of Air Force One. Well,

1907
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the Atlantic is kind of like that now for Democrats.

1908
01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:54.680
But you know, with that, we could tell you that

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the wash To Post news section has not really changed.

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It's still written all kinds of woke in all these

1911
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:04.840
sections across the board, but now by cutting sports, a

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01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:08.840
cutting local section, people who aren't particularly political. I know

1913
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:10.439
it sounds weird, but there are people who just kind

1914
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:12.840
of subscribe it because their families did. They may have

1915
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grown up in the area. They want to read about

1916
01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:18.600
the sports teams they're now leaving two. So again it's

1917
01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.079
a little chaotic. It's not whereas Barry White, say what

1918
01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:23.960
you want about her, but when she came to CBS,

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she said, here's what I believe journalism is.

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Here's where I want to go.

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You know, you can ridicule it, you don't like it,

1922
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:32.960
but it's a cohesive message.

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01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:33.479
Right.

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01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:36.319
The Post has not really had that in the last

1925
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:39.239
few years, a cohesive message of where are you going

1926
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:39.680
with this?

1927
01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:42.680
Right? And you would think Bezos would know better. I

1928
01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:45.520
mean he's a business guy. I mean he didn't set

1929
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:50.199
up Amazon without a message and a mission. And so

1930
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:53.600
for him not to be able to articulate this to

1931
01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:56.079
the people there in the Post, I mean you let

1932
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.199
what three hundred people go correct?

1933
01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:02.840
Yeah, and another few hunted over the last couple of years.

1934
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:07.479
Actually, yes, right, so they're you know, they're on life

1935
01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:10.640
support right now, it would seem because he's trying to

1936
01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.840
sustain the unsustainable. I mean this is a time for

1937
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:16.439
new management. I mean if it was if it was

1938
01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:20.159
a sports team, Uh, they'd already gotten a new manager

1939
01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:22.039
several years ago, right.

1940
01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.000
Right, Well, and that's the thing in politics and sports,

1941
01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:29.159
you know, you could continually make the same decisions, just

1942
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:32.760
different people, and not actually have to pivot to anything different.

1943
01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:38.039
This is you know, once again, the principal from the

1944
01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:41.800
Simpson to miolda touch note is the children who are wrong, right,

1945
01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:46.720
And the conventional wisdom among the lacy elite media is

1946
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:51.119
it is the fault that they strayed one iota from

1947
01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:54.560
the left hard left, that if they weren't hating Trump

1948
01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:59.399
all the time, that's why they're losing money. I honestly

1949
01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:02.239
don't think that is the case here, because they were

1950
01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:07.159
already it was already a losing proposition. So this goes

1951
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:10.720
to show that there's no consideration that people aren't reading this.

1952
01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:13.159
A number of years ago that when the previous regime

1953
01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:17.279
came in, that Bezos had Will Lewis and Matt Murray,

1954
01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:19.439
one of them said to the newsroom, people aren't reading

1955
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:20.319
your stuff anymore.

1956
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:23.000
And that's about a direct quote.

1957
01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:26.640
And the staff was a gast they're still talking about

1958
01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:30.079
it now years later that it offended them immensely. Well,

1959
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.239
it's the analytics on Google or chart beat or one

1960
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.399
of the other analytic measuring websites tell you that your

1961
01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:38.319
traffic is down.

1962
01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:40.319
It's a yes or no question.

1963
01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:44.560
That's right, exactly, yeah, And there's a yes or no solution.

1964
01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:48.319
And it seems like, you know, this is the disease

1965
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:53.159
of the left. They continue with eighty twenty ninety ten issues.

1966
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:57.239
They all they're consistently choosing the minority, and you go,

1967
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.279
wait a minute, you're in business to make money. You

1968
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:03.399
know that is a losing cause. And this is another

1969
01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:07.840
victim in liberal think and institutions.

1970
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.640
Is it not correct?

1971
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:12.680
Yeah, they're all doing yes, and they're all doing it,

1972
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:17.199
and there's no consideration that people aren't listening to anymore.

1973
01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:19.920
I mean, they believe in the rule of experts, where

1974
01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:21.720
I guess we're a bunch of idiots if we're not

1975
01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:25.760
listening to them. They're the experts on everything from finance

1976
01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:29.800
to rocket science, to taxes, to what is a man

1977
01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:32.760
and what is a woman? And if you don't listen

1978
01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:36.359
to them they so called experts on literally everything, there

1979
01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.319
must be something wrong with you. And that's why I

1980
01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:42.479
say that they are the most er. The national news

1981
01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:47.079
media specifically are the most arrogant profession in the country,

1982
01:45:47.239 --> 01:45:49.720
even more so than our politicians in Washington.

1983
01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:53.199
Well, and this is why they get along because it's

1984
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.319
bad father right, right.

1985
01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:59.800
They both need their backscratch. They both hate outside criticism,

1986
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:02.159
so that's why they rally around each.

1987
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:07.119
Other, yesh right, for comfort and joy. Speaking of rallying

1988
01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:11.119
Don Lemon, huh.

1989
01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:13.319
Yeah, I mean Don Lemon, what's interesting about him? And

1990
01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.800
speaking of rallying around the flag, the liberal media have

1991
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:20.960
absolutely rallied around him. The networks on their morning and

1992
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:24.880
evening newscast, they're refusing to mention the facts that in

1993
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:27.960
this case, Don Lemon was indicted by a grand jury,

1994
01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:32.439
a jury of Minnesotan's. Now, it did not necessarily have

1995
01:46:32.439 --> 01:46:34.239
to be unanimous, It just had to be I believe

1996
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:37.439
fifty percent of its percentless one. But the point is

1997
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:40.760
people decided that there was probable cause that he committed

1998
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these crimes. That has an important fact. Media have mentioned

1999
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.560
that the DOJ had initially tried to charge him a

2000
01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:51.159
few days after the January eighteenth incident at City's church,

2001
01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:54.479
but they were unable to and the denial was.

2002
01:46:55.079 --> 01:46:58.680
Pe church, so they went around to a grand jury.

2003
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:02.359
I feel like that's really important information, Just like when

2004
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you're writing a paper for school or anyone else doing media,

2005
01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.039
you start with the most important information first and you

2006
01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:11.159
work your way down when writing a story or doing

2007
01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:15.239
a TV segment. And I feel like that's not the

2008
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:18.199
most important, but it's right there at the top, and

2009
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:20.760
for it not to be there, I feel like is

2010
01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:21.960
purely intentional.

2011
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:27.239
Well, we opened up this segment about talking about democracy. Okay,

2012
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so where's the sunshine of democracy on this particular issue.

2013
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:34.800
That's what you're talking about. I mean, that's what fortifies

2014
01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:38.439
our country. This is what you know, brings us into

2015
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.760
check in terms of being you know, civil agents in

2016
01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:46.680
this great American idea. Otherwise, you know, we're all looking

2017
01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:49.439
like everybody in Minneapolis, right.

2018
01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:54.319
Yeah, there's lawlessness going on. And to tie it again

2019
01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:57.119
to the Washington Post, we're in a situation with the

2020
01:47:57.159 --> 01:48:00.239
Don Lemon story where you see, yet again, they'll the

2021
01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:03.399
liberal media refusing to believe in the notion that we

2022
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all have First Amendment rights.

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Right.

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01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:09.039
They believe in the First Ament rights for themselves and

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01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:13.119
as we've seen in Minneapolis, their fellow activist class on

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01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:15.920
the streets. But when it comes to the rest of

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01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:21.319
us having First Amendment rights, Uh, it's it's not exactly,

2028
01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:24.039
it's it's it's in doubt. It's in doubt to be charitable.

2029
01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:26.960
Bill Well. The thing that's so rich about this, after

2030
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:30.560
everything is said and done, Curtis, this was an act.

2031
01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:34.359
This was a law that was enacted by the Democrats

2032
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:38.319
for Democrats, and now it's come back to bite them

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01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:41.159
in the back end, because thank god, there was some

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01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:46.359
uh I know, you know, some consideration by the right

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01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:48.840
that said, okay, we'll give you that. You know, we'll

2036
01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.640
we'll protect you on planned parenthood, but you know, let's

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01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:56.439
make sure we reinforce the churches and places of worship

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right right exactly.

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Uh.

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You know, Don Lemon and his friends have pushed back

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on this notion of the Face Act, which is the

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01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:08.560
law that you're alluding to by saying, well, in the

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01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.600
case of Lemon and the protesters of the church, yeah, sure,

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01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:14.920
they like mentally, psychologically, may have scarred the little kids

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01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:17.319
in the church, but they didn't hurt them. They were

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01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:19.479
allowed to go home to their families. They weren't like

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01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:22.439
Rene Good or Alex Prettie who ended up dead. And

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01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:26.760
to that, I say, I was unaware that there were

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01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:31.039
grandmas outside abortion clinics just randomly shiving people as they

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01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:31.520
went in.

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01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:35.159
Yeah, right, exactly, Well, we got to leave it there.

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Curtis Houck has always we appreciate you coming on the show.

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01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:41.880
He's a managing editor for MRC's NewsBusters. Thank you, Curtis,

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take care be with thanks.

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