Is it possible to unrig an election

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FOCY Radio. Well, good afternoon, and welcome. This is an interview

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that has been long in the making. I say long because the first time

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I heard about David Clements, I
said, wait a minute, here here

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is an award winning professor who you
know, really got kind of, you

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know, drawn into this battle of
election integrity because like so many of us,

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I mean, according to Resmusen,
something like sixty percent of America believes

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that something fishy happened in twenty twenty. You know, I guess we're all

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election deniers. I mean, that's
a title that we all should wear proudly

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because I believe someday the truth will
finally come out. Because it does have

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a way of finding its way out, and I think it's one of those

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things that you know, like sin
is the Bible we talk about is that

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you can pay for it early or
later. The idea is that the longer

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you wait to pay for that sin, the more complicated and the more painful

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it becomes. And I believe that
we're going to see this being realized as

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well when it comes to what happened
in the twenty twenty elections. Professor David

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Clemens's award winning business law professor and
prosecutor. He's passionately pursued the truth that,

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as I said, over sixty percent
of Americans are demanding regarding the twenty

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twenty presidential elections. The pursuit of
the truth this costume is professorship and income,

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and the cost to his family you
can only imagine. The professor now

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applies his experience to the realm of
elections. His advocacy has led to audits

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and canvassing operations being implemented across the
country, with some efforts resulting in elimination

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of election machines that facilitates fraud.
Professor Clemens is also the creator of this

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incredible documentary that if you have not
seen it, you need to get in

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front of it. Let my people
go. Professor David Clemens, welcome the

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show. Good to have you with
us, sir, good to be with

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you, Bill, Thank you for
having me. Well. I got to

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tell you again, it's an honor
to have you here. And I have

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such high regard for you, you
know, for your passion, but your

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conviction on behalf of so many of
us. I mean, you are doing

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something that many you know are joined
with you in spirit if nothing else,

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and that is to find out what
the heck happened in twenty twenty. Our

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government isn't interested in it. We
had a Foe Jen six you know committee,

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which was problematic. I mean,
they wanted to look at January sixth,

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but they didn't want to look at
the causal relationship with what you know

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caused January sixth. Right, Yeah, you know, like many people,

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I think the only thing that separates
me from the average Americans that I just

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happen to have credentials that were relevant
to a legal analysis or that of a

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prosecutor. So November third stood out
to me as a crime. And I'm

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wired as an investigator and against many
cautions to keep my mouth shut. I

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decided that I would rather be judged
by my colleagues than history, because I

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mean, when you see evil to
the extent that we're seeing it, you

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really have to do something. And
I just didn't want to be the person

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that wondered. You know, in
twenty twenty you read about the storybook lives

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of the American Founders. I just
didn't want to be someone that was a

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bystander. And so with that has
come great praise from people that recognize the

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work and a great damnation from those
that think that I'm an election denier and

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a conspiracy theorist and all those things. So you have to take both.

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When David November the third happened and
you witnessed what went on, I mean,

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what was it that threw up red
flags for you immediately and what did

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you subsequently discover to seal up this
conviction to the degree that you were willing

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to put it all on the line. The first thing was censorship. I

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think anytime any apparatus silences your voice, then you have to ask the question,

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why are they doing that? Right? And it was so unnerving how

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people were being deplatformed and silenced and
taken off of YouTube, and you couldn't

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you can ask questions, right,
And so that got my attention. I

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think if if we would have had
a freer discourse, maybe my hackles wouldn't

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have been raised. But just the
full frontal assault of just you can't ask

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questions about the things that you saw
on November third, and there was so

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much to see, right, Did
any of the lead up to gen to

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to the election did that to you
know, give you any kind of warning?

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I mean, for me, I
saw the clear disparity. It's almost

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like it is right now. That
is that if you go to a Donald

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Trump campaign stop or if you even
watch it on television, thousands upon thousands

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of people are there, you know, yelling for Trump and USA, you

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know, very patriotically. And by
comparison, when you see Joe Biden there's

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hardly anybody there. So you know
the I mean traditionally in politics you can

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almost sense the momentum and where the
enthusiasm is. I mean, we witness

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this clearly in both campaigns. For
example with Barack Obama. Barack Obama brought

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out thousands of people and so it
wasn't that far fetched to see him you

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know, winning the election, although
I would say his re election was a

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little bit questionable because his pop numbers
were so terrible and the people, you

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know, had sustained a lot of
pain because of his policies, but nonetheless

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they decided to stay the course.
Somewhat plausible, But something like this was

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just so obvious in terms of the
popular movement of Donald Trump. But I

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mean I happened, David, I
happen to go through twelve states in October

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right before the election, and I
asked people this all the time. I

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said, guess how many signs for
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that I saw,

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you know, traveling through twelve different
states, and I only saw three

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signs. That's it, either a
sign or a bumper sticker. Only three.

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Whereas even when I was in California, you know, the the beach

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shed for the Democratic Party, I
mean, they were holding boat parades,

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there was you know, car parades
down in San Diego. For him,

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it was you know, there was
just a lot of energy, you know,

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for Donald Trump. So to me, those early signs were indications that,

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you know that Donald Trump had a
lot of momentum. And so this

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struck in contrast with the results that
were reported to us, you know after

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the election. Yeah, i'd agree
with that. I think one of the

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things that we've had to get used
to is our common sense or intuition has

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been staring at the truth. If
we would just consider what our eyes are

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looking at. Yet we're usually gas
lit by the media. And that's just

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the anecdote. Oh you're you're that's
not scientific polling, it's not scientific this.

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And I think what we've come to
realize is that the enemy is much

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smaller in numbers than the American people, but they wield a very very powerful

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weapon, and that's that's the megaphone
of legacy media. And so we've kind

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of been beaten into submission to thinking
that the truth is only the truth if

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you hear it through one of your
you know, mainstream media pundits. And

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you know, I think we're waking
up to that. I think so too.

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I you know, it's quite the
wake up call. We're talking with

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Professor David Clemency Award winning business law
professor and prosecutor talking about, you know,

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is it possible to unrig any election? You know, David, I

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would agree with you, is that, you know, even after the election,

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we had a thousand sworn affidavits.
I mean, people need to understand,

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in the context of the legal system, that is a serious document when

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you have a thousand people sign a
legal document attesting to a crime or some

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legal infraction that occurred during election,
and it seemed that the court was not

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interested in adjudicating those Yeah, that's
true. And you know, when I

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try to bring this to people's attention, you know how many people that were

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prosecuted for lying in those sworn affidavits? Zero and the number is actually closer

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to about five thousand nationwide. Yeah, you know, there's not all affidavits

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are created, you know, the
same, but there were seven thousand in

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Michigan alone that were delivered based on
human deviations that that they saw. Because

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Wayne County in particular, was such
a nightmare for election transparency. This is

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the place where you had people driving
up at three four o'clock in the morning

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unloading more fraudulent mail in ballots to
be counted. Yeah. I mean it's

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weird because in some respects, when
I go out and travel and speak with

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people, a lot of our meetings
devolve into kind of the equivalent of an

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AA meeting where we all remark upon
the farms of fraud that we've witnessed and

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observed, and it's cathartic, you
know, right to talk with other folks

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to reassure them you're not crazy.
You here, common sense works. But

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yeah, the question of how to
unrig an election, you know, is

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it possible? And I guess that's
what we'll wrestle with today. I wouldn't

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be doing this if I didn't think
that it was possible. But that doesn't

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mean that it's not going to take
a wartime effort. But part of starting

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the process is to see the problem
for what it is. And I think

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one of the biggest issues that I've
seen is that we keep buying into this

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incremental framework where no one wants to
seem foolish or overstep, and so they

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really spend most of their time dealing
with front end fixes to the system or

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co opting the talking points of the
RNC and Democrats, namely, we have

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to embrace ballot chasing or early voting, or maybe the machines aren't that bad.

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And I think that's a dangerous,
dangerous prescription. I think that there's

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only one way to run an honest
election, you have to have transparency all

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the way through. And anytime you
embrace a system that obliterates chain of custody,

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where you've got ballots that can just
be around for three weeks to a

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month, and then you give the
opposition over a month account those ballots,

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you've got basically sixty days to create
as much havocing chaos, and it really

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favors the dishonest party. And so
what we're being told is, you know,

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if you want to beat the Democrats, you've got to become like one

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a much wiser approach to it,
which is, let's go from open ended

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systems that can be subverted along that
assembly line and get back to the closed

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systems that we used for the better
part of one hundred and eighty years.

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Exactly. They worked. They weren't
perfect, but they sure are better than

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what we use today. Yeah,
without a doubt. I mean, why

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continue to use something? I mean
even when you go back. I mean,

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now the Democrats are you know,
kind of open to admit the cheating

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that took place in the nineteen sixty
election. I mean, because there was

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an after midnight result, it looked
like Richard Nixon was going to be the

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president. And then the next morning
we wake up and nope, not Richard

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Nixon, it's John Kennedy. And
there was talk, you know, that

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there was some cheating done. Now
it's an admission of the Democratic Party,

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you know that said, which I
thought was interesting. They admitted said,

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well, if the truth be known, you know, actually Richard Nixon won.

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We cheated in Illinois in a couple
of other key areas, and that's

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how we were able to you know, bring John F. Kennedy across the

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finish line and make him, you
know, the president of the United States

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of America, I mean, you
know, and to make that statement David

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so casually, it's like, well, wait a minute, what what are

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we Where's our integrity? What is
America all about? If we think we

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can gain the system and be like
Harry Reid, for example, in his

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comment about, you know, about
a presidential candidate, you know, he

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said, well, you know,
he didn't he didn't get elected president.

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Right, This was Mitt Romney.
He didn't get elected president. So his

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shenanigans and he is lying there in
the well of the Senate made up because

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they got what they wanted, and
that was, you know, they got

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Barack Obama and Mitt Romney was an
elected president. Yeah, I think it's

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I mean, I think it's beyond
tire somehow duplicitous. The radical left is

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because they're really good at forgetting history. And so if Trump wins in November,

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all the things they've been rejecting onto
our movement, which is about transparent

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elections, all of a sudden,
you're gonna have a ton of people that

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have questions over these machines. And
how do I know that Because during the

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twenty sixteen administration up until twenty twenty, every Democrat was talking about these machines

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being wide open, and it was
as if they were projecting the scenario that

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if Trump had seized the machines,
and many of them expected to have done

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that in twenty twenty because of the
deviations. Now, Trump had the legal

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authority to do so, but had
he done so, you would have had

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an amazing library of Democrat talking heads
from Amy Klobashar, Hillary Clintonamala Harris all

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talking about the dangers of these machines. But when he didn't seize them,

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they didn't know what to do.
So they basically took all of those talking

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points put them into a broom closet
along with their experts, and that would

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be Harry Hirsty, Philip Stark,
Alex J. Halberman, never to be

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heard from. But I'm telling you
right now because they're duplicitous, because they

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have no shame. When Trump overwhelms
the fraud and overwhelms the corruption, because

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he is so historically popular in contrast
to the most unpopular president that I think

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I've ever seen in my lifetime,
they will bring those those arguments out,

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but only when it's convenient to their
party. It has nothing to do with

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the truth, has everything to do
with who's in power and who is not.

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Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, no doubt. We'll look what

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they did. I mean in twenty
sixteen, they needcapped him. They threw

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up false charges which we all know
was a big lie. And what price

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did Hillary Clinton pay for, you
know, dumping this into the political system.

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I mean a big lie, the
Russian collusion lie. I mean,

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she barely got a slap on the
hand. I mean, she destroyed evidence.

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And then you get James Comey coming
out and giving all these reasons why

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she should be indicted, but refuses
to indict her with some sort of twisted

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logic, I believe almost like the
same logic. I don't know if prosecutors

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are using the same playbook, because
it's almost like the same thing that happened

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recently with Robert Hurr. Right,
here's all these reasons that we should indict

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Joe Biden for the mishandling of documents
that he even even when he was vice

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president, was illegal for him to
have a hand on, and you know

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in the way he was storing them
haphazardly in that But because he's feeble minded,

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in no reasonable jury would convict him. So let's not bother. Well,

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my goodness, I mean, you're
telling the whole world something the old

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world already knows anyway that Biden's mental
condition is compromised. But now legally you've

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told the world that he's mentally incapable. Yeah, so you know, enter

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the twenty fifth Amendment. I mean, he shouldn't be serving as president if

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you're going to make a concession that
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he's incapacitated. But this is projection, and this is the use of the

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sword and the shield, So you
see a level of projection everything that they're

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claiming that Trump is guilty of,
they in fact are guilty of. And

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it's effective because when you project through
primacy, your victim or your target is

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on the defensive. They basically have
to respond to vicious lies. And that's

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basically what Trump had to deal with
the entirety of his first term. I

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think the American people have become more
hip to that. It's usually a good

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idea to just wait forty eight to
seventy two hours to let the dust settle,

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to see if there's anything to it. But right now we're getting another

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dose of the persecution against Trump in
the Michael Cohen trial. Apparently Michael Cohen

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completely obliterated their attorney client privilege,
had secret recordings that made their way into

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the proceedings today, look like that, he looked like he had an inappropriate

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relationship with Stormy Daniels herself. And
you know, the truth is there for

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anyone with eyes to see. But
it's interesting to see the take or the

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slant depending on which news organizations covering
the trial. But I think the American

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people are seeing right through it.
I sure hope they are. It's just

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so overwhelming. But like you said, with you know, the Democratic Party

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and those that do not like Trump. I mean they have control. They

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have levers, control the levers of
you know, all these institutions are government,

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the Justice Department, they control the
medium. You know, Blackrock,

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State Street, and Vanguard are all
in the tank for the left, and

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so they're doing everything to control.
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the newsrooms across the country. This
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It doesn't matter if you're even watching
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you go, wow, where did
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I'm watching a Democratic Party bias station
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conservative media outlet. You know.
Quite interesting. Well, we have to

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improve the system architecture because I know
people are waking up. We look no

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further than the rally that Trump just
held in New Jersey with over one hundred

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thousand people cramming onto the beach in
a state that he supposedly lost. And

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I have to remind people of Banana
Republic or countries that have lost their way.

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In Brazil, the crowds were overwhelmingly
in favor of ball scenario. Before

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its fall, you had pack grounds
for the populist candidate. But in both

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of those countries you had rigged election
architecture, so you could basically bust in

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a small number of token supporters for
the Marxist communist candidate. And if you

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compare that anecdotally again to the wild
populator of a populist candidate, it didn't

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matter, because enthusiasm doesn't transfer over
to a software subversion where someone, by

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virtue of a keystroke can inflate your
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ensure that selective candidates make it through
instead of the will of the people.

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And that's where we're at right now. And unfortunately, many of the Republican

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talking heads, many of the people
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absolutely ignore the most vital piece of
the puzzle, which is what makes let

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harvesting go. And it's the machines, it's the metrics. It's the data

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points that are provided through the use
of the software that allows for bad actors

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and mules to go to strategic locations
and to start dumping fake and fraudulent ballots

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into these Zuckerberg funded drop boxes.
And until we've got a solution for that

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problem, you know, we're just
going to have to get used to this

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getting on each other's shows and kind
of just complaining and lamenting. I'm past

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that. I want to get to
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architecture to closed systems that we used. I mean, you're old enough.

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I'm old enough. Remember counting being
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a neighbor's garage exactly, a Democrat
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You had paper poll books where people
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given a physical ballot, and everything
was focused on one day election exactly.

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I was going to say it was
completed and one day we're talking with David

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Clements, the award winning businesiness law
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that's the deal. One day.
I mean, I've been saying for a

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long time we should just have a
national day off. I mean, our

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elections are so important, we call
time out on everything. We take that

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day off. And I think,
you know, we proved in primaries that

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everybody can count the ballots in one
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that it took, you know,
several months or weeks after the election to

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you know, to count the ballots
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So it demonstrates that it can be
done right, Well, it can be.

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But here's the deal. If you're
if you're not the selected candidate,

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they'll keep finding more ballots to count
until the paper totals basically matched the digital

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subversion, right, And so in
places like California, it's not unusual to

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be three four weeks after election and
they're still finding votes to prop up their

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selected candidates. So, yeah,
it's not a question of whether we're capable,

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it's just recognizing that without the rule
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on when you can count the votes, it's just koubuki theater exactly. And

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that's going to be the tough slog
ahead is that none of your legislators,

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none of your election administrators, are
interested in these fixes because it would actually

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undermine their own power. And that's
the biggest hurdle is people saying, look,

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I'm going to defend the system,
because if I don't defend it,

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I'm basically admitting that I might have
gotten through an election that I probably shouldn't

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be your clerk, or I shouldn't
be your state rep. Or I shouldn't

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be your judge. So none of
them are interested in making the corrections because

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if you were to make the corrections, the will of the people would be

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main known. Now, there have
been some places where we've enjoyed success in

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handcounts. Gillespie County, Texas,
for instance, in a Republican primary in

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Texas, they were able to do
a handcount. They decided not use the

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machines at all in very large precincts. These were like two thousand person precincts

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and they were able to count everything
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it can be done. But there's
a lot of gas lighting and bullying from

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the election vendors and from the lobbies
to say that this is untenable. The

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American people are just too stupid to
count up to up to five hundred.

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now. Yeah, because as if the

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machines are so much smarter, and
they're proving that they're far from it.

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those who have purchased the machines,
have put them in play. And what's

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happening in here here in America,
as you know, Professor, I mean

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it's been happening around the world.
I mean, the echoes of discrepancies with

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these with these machines has been consistent, right, I mean I am not

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hearing in other countries, for example, where people are just lotting the praises

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of these machines and saying these are
the best things ever. If anything,

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I'm hearing you know, questions and
confusion, like we're hearing your in America.

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Yeah, and you'll always have those
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like it's like living in the prohibition
era and if you wanted to tour a

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gangster, speak easy, they'll they'll
give you a tour of the kitchen,

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the bathroom. But that locked door, right, that's what they're not letting

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you, you know, go in
there and take a look to see if

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there's something illegal going on. And
we have the equivalent through what looks like

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robust laws for risk limiting audits and
things like that. But they have designed

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all of their auditing practices to deprive
you of the very records that tell you

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whether these machines have been subverted or
not. And until we get you know,

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a grip on that you're going to
see more of the same. But

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yeah, people tend to not trust
things that they don't understand and then they

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can't see or or they're being bullied
into just you know, taking a face

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value, and you can't do that
with elections. It's it's got to be

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a zero trust manner of doing things, because look, we we have our

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politics through adversarial political parties. It's
it's built on a zero trust model.

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And that's fine. You don't have
to try. As long as people can

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see the processes, then I think
they can live with losing, even even

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a race that they might be very
very passionate about. I think most Americans

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are used to not getting what they
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But what they will not, you
know, put up with is question

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marks on whether the process itself is
legitimate. And you know, you mentioned

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sixty percent of the entire country.
Right now, it's about eighty percent of

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Republicans that have lost all faith in
our election system, sixty four percent of

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Independence and Democrats are now crossing that
fifty percent mark. So it's a clear

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majority of all Americans that want transparency. Right Well, David, what you

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know what happens here? I mean, look at you know, I think

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that in twenty twenty, the leap
was so humongous, you know, for

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those in the Democratic Party to you
know, tell us that Joe Biden won

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with eighty million votes when Barack Obama
didn't even get close. Donald Trump gets

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ten million more than they did previous. There's been no other president who has

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gotten more votes in a re election
campaign and has lost like Donald Trump.

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I mean, these are all you
know, possibilities and question marks that remain

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in the minds of America that you
know, whether you want to blame it

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on Joe Biden or the apparatic of
the Democratic Party in this cabal that was

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behind what many people are calling a
coup. You know, they're not interested

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in the truth, but we the
people must be interested because that's our integrity.

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That's what our constitution, our declaration
of independence, our rule of law.

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I mean, what happens next?
I mean do we just think that,

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Okay, I'm coming to a stop
sign, Well, that's a Democrat

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that's in that car, and he
may choose not to stop at that stop

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sign because he's a Democrat. Yeah, I mean, is it getting that

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ridiculous, Well, yeah, it's
been that ridiculous look, what we have

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to do is deploy a level of
focus that we're not we're not. We're

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not good at to be frank,
everyone had as their issue and they need

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to understand that your issue, whatever
it is, is downstream from the ballot

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box. And so this is a
triage focus that we have to stop the

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bleeding. You're not going to get
policy that works for you at the border.

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You're not going to get policy that
works for you when it comes to

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mandates and COVID. If you're all
about the pro life movement, great,

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but unless you get a handle on
that machine that's used, yes, don't

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expect to see legislation that reflects the
will of the people. You're going to

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see something that reflects the will of
the cartel, the election cartel, right

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exactly. And so we've got to
get our act together. The you know,

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the biggest frustration that I have are
the people that we're constantly having those

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squirrel moments where you know, someone
says squirrel and you look the other way

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and you look this way, and
we have very little patients for working our

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process and seeing it through. This
solution has to come from the ground up.

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It will not we will not win
through a lawsuit. It's telling you

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right now, we're not going to
win because Trump is in office, and

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then all of a sudden, it's
going to be heaven on earth. We

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saw how the deep state came around
him and tried to neutralize every single thing

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that he did. This is about
the American people realizing that if we're going

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to call ourselves we the people,
it better be more than a bumper sticker.

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Amen. So if we get rid
of the machines at a local county

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level, guess what you've done there. You've earned the next challenge of counting

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your own paper ballots in your backyard. And if you've done that, well,

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then you might as well show up
to those local meetings every two weeks

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where they set your zoning. They
make sure that you know the discussions over

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school board curriculum. We have abdicated
our responsibility in local communities, and then

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we cry foul when we don't recognize
the communities that we live in. But

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it's really locally that everyone should be
marshaling resources, because it's your local clerk

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that certifies those tabulators that run our
ballots to them, not the sos,

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not your governor, not the corrupt
Marxists. It's a clerk that certifies that

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machine for use. So what happens
if we showed up in numbers and saying,

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look, you can't certify that.
That's not a trustworthy machine. It's

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a canvassing board at the county level
that certifies your post election results. It's

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not the president, it's not the
boogeyman, it's not George Sorows. What

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happens if we showed up by the
thousands to these local meetings saying, look,

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unless you can fulfill you know your
responsibility to guarantee us that these votes

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are absolutely accurate. We're going to
ask you to withhold certification and it's going

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to take that type of buy in
in three thousand, one and forty seven

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counties to reclaim the Republic and start
afresh. But if we anything short of

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that, it's just the band aid
fix kicking the can down the road.

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And I don't think we're going to
be able to last that long. I

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think it's really November or bust for
this country. Yeah, without a doubt,

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is where the rubber meets the road, and that's where change can happen with

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rapidity. I mean, if we're
waiting, you know, for something at

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a federal level, then here it
is as you say. I mean,

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they're experts at kicking the can down
the road. We have no business even

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being in their field to play.
But our field of play is our hometown,

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and we have the hometown advantage if
we exercise it. Right. Yeah,

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Well, and I think the thing
that's holding us back is that we're

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really good at coaching up other people, but not doing the work ourselves.

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We're always exporting our advocacy to people
that are already spread thin. And look,

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I've traveled forty seven states in the
last two and a half years,

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and it's the same tale. Wherever
I go. It's five, six,

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ten people doing all the work in
local counties. What everyone else watches and

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complaints they get on social media,
they might mixed up in the comment section,

408
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but when it comes to showing up
and actually representing families and communities and

409
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.960
saying no more, they're nowhere to
be found. And unfortunately, the only

410
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.319
thing that's going to get their attention
is continued suffering at the hands of an

411
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:27.319
administration that seems to welcome an invasion
at the border that welcomes immorality in our

412
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schools and welcomes this chaos driven way
of doing elections. And so yeah,

413
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I'm imploring people, you know,
go out there and get a copy of

414
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the latest edition of New American magazine. They had myself and many other experts

415
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:51.039
featured on diagnosing the problem. Watch
let my people go to see just how

416
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.720
urgent the issue is and then do
something about it. And what I've been

417
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.119
asking folks to do is, you
know, go to your local meetings.

418
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.200
Don't treat them like they're a death
sentence. I mean, we should welcome

419
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.519
the idea that we have a country
where we can govern our local affairs by

420
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.159
simply showing up. But it's going
to take something that's akin to the nineteen

421
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.880
sixties civil rights era movement, where
people when they fought for equality, they

422
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:24.039
were locking arms, they were sprayed
with water cannons, and they held fast

423
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.599
until the government said, okay,
we've got a problem. Morehance. And

424
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.519
right now, I don't think the
government institutions truly thinks they have a problem

425
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.440
on that hand, because we still
don't show up, or when we do

426
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.400
show up, we're showing up to
a buzzsaw that is a rigged election system,

427
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.000
and so they think we think in
things in terms of like election days,

428
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.400
the super Bowl. You got to
go to these meetings locally. That's

429
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.159
like a regular season game, and
you don't get to the super Bowl unless

430
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.800
you win some regular season games,
get to the playoffs and start improving the

431
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.760
terrain. And part of improving the
terrain is going to counties removing open ended

432
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:07.400
systems. And we've seen victories along
the way, not enough, but this

433
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.639
is not Hey, We've really got
to get our act together by November.

434
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:15.599
It's like, let's do something today, exactly something done tomorrow, right right

435
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:21.280
now. You're exactly right, David
Clemens, because look at they're taking full

436
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.519
advantage of this. I mean,
they've used January sixth prisoners kind of as

437
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.599
a scare tactic. I mean,
if they could, they'd probably hang them

438
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:34.719
all out on you know, some
over some freeway passageway. But we're reminded

439
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.320
that so many of the January sixth
patriots remain in jail, have been in

440
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:44.440
there for over three hundred days,
moved from one penitentiary to another, one

441
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:46.800
gulag to another. I mean to
the point that they're even saying, hey,

442
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.119
look at send us to GIDMO.
You know, we'll be better treated

443
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:55.159
at GIMO. Then we will be
here in these jails here in America as

444
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.960
American citizens. Yeah, I mean
right now, I mean that's it's the

445
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.960
greatest travesty I think any of us
have witnessed, and yet the media doesn't

446
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.800
cover it. So we've got this
surreal thing where the abuse is from a

447
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.400
civil rights standpoint, have never been
greater than what our countrymen are experiencing.

448
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.199
It's the people are fearing government more
than government fearing people, aren't you saying?

449
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.920
Well, there's that, and there's
also you know again, we get

450
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.760
no help from the conservative ink types
every time there's a protest, people like

451
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.000
Charlie Kirk and many others the saying
stand down, don't go protest because we're

452
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.679
going to have another j six And
I'm sitting there going wait a minute,

453
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.400
do you understand how the First Amendment
works? Right? Her? First Amendment

454
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:47.039
is really only applicable when there is
a grievance. We don't ever gather,

455
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:58.199
I'm sorry, worries. We don't
gather in times of plenty. We only

456
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.880
have the need to assemble uh and
gather when we we have to petition a

457
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.440
tyrannical government exactly. So that's the
only time that we do it. And

458
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:14.039
so when we're told don't stand up, you're suggesting that there is a a

459
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.760
time that's actually safe to do so. And that's a fiction. Of course,

460
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.360
it's going to be dangerous to stand
up to a tyrannical government, you

461
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.960
know, exactly. And uh,
and like you say, if we if

462
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.840
we don't, if we don't do
it now, then when you know,

463
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.079
it's that old Actually you know,
the Bible says you can pay me now

464
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:35.400
or pay me later. Uh and
uh. In the Book of Ecclesiastis,

465
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.480
it talks about the deferred time.
What happens when things aren't reconciled right away.

466
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.679
They get much more complicated and and
much more painful to resolve. But

467
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.880
you know, we must come together, we must take a stand. And

468
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.440
and in en mass, I mean
just like uh and and even when you

469
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:58.000
go back and I started to say, just like you know, the early

470
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.440
patriots did. But even back in
that time, it wasn't David, It

471
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:05.639
wasn't that they had one hundred percent
agreement. They didn't. But it took

472
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.719
you know, leadership, It took
a group of men and including women that

473
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.679
were so sold out on this American
idea. And you know the good news

474
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.400
about this is that we're not back
you know two hundred and fifty years ago.

475
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.800
We're here today that already has a
country that you know, came up

476
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.000
with a constitution declared our independence.
We need, you know, the idea

477
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:35.760
is that, yes, we need
to be revived, because at one point

478
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.199
we were revived, right, and
so it's not like we're starting with a

479
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:45.280
blank sheet of paper. No,
you're right. It's the more that I

480
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:52.360
see the courage of the modern day
Founding father I have to think that the

481
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.320
Founding fathers didn't have it all figured
out either. What I'm saying is it

482
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:05.840
was tyranny. It was King George
continuing to you know, put his thumb

483
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.960
on at the time British subjects.
These were American colonialists. And you have

484
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.400
to remember that there's all of branch
petition after petition being sent to the King,

485
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:25.719
and it was basically then confronted with
the situation that I don't know if

486
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:31.280
anything will work. I don't think
we can appeal to Parliament to be restored.

487
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.840
And when you're confronted with that scenario, you have to start counting the

488
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:42.960
cost on you know, am I
willing to risk my life? And so

489
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.920
it's not like you had the seventeen
seventy seventy six spirit and it was just

490
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.880
there. You had decades of incremental
subversion and erosion of rights even amongst the

491
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:59.000
American colonialists, and they finally had
a moment where they were fed up.

492
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.280
And then out of being fed up, you had the greatest experiment that was

493
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.440
born through a revolution. But it
wasn't without risk. And if people want

494
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:15.679
to see something in twenty twenty four
that rivals that, it's simple. The

495
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.800
only thing that separates us from our
heritage is are you willing to die?

496
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:28.880
Exactly what the promises that were enshrined
in our declaration of independence? Well,

497
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.599
you know, it's kind of like
an interesting comparison is if you look what's

498
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.199
happening in Israel right now, in
the Gaza, right you had people that

499
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:43.920
were willing and voted eighty percent to
vote for Hamas. Hamas does this incredible,

500
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:51.840
horrible act on a peaceful living Jews
on the other side of the border

501
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:59.719
there and they massacre over fourteen hundred
Jews in the most horrific manner whatsoever and

502
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:06.639
what did the Palestinians do. They
cheered on the rape, they cheered on

503
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:15.840
the attacks and the dismemberment of Jews. Body parts were being kicked up the

504
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.800
dirt road there in the streets of
Gaza like soccer balls. They cheered it

505
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.320
on. Well, wait a minute, you know, where are really if

506
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:31.320
you're really interested in freedom and peace's
where's that represented? You know, it

507
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.679
has not been represented in one moment
at least from what I am seeing.

508
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:44.280
And yet the international community wants Israel
to roll over and basically, you know,

509
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.880
subject themselves to a people that want
to see Israel, you know,

510
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:55.639
totally eliminated. Yeah, it's it's
a complicated puzzle for sure, because you

511
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.039
have, you know, you have
the equivalent of the deep state in Israel,

512
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.760
just like we have it here,
right, And so I struggle with

513
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:15.119
this where we've got a propaganda wing
where it seems like war is the end

514
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.880
goal for for many. So I
guess I struggle with that because I mean,

515
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.320
as as a Christian, I believe
that we stand with Israel and we

516
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:30.320
bless this this chosen nation. But
I also find it odd that after Ukraine

517
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:37.719
became a much more unpopular battlefield,
it seems like Israel was propped up for

518
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.199
another place where we're going to have
perpetual war. And so I just wish

519
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:50.400
we would spend more time focusing on
our own problems. And when I see

520
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.920
spending packages from you know, Mike
Johnson, and you've got AID going to

521
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.960
Ukraine, You've got aid going to
Israel, You've got aid going every except

522
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.360
our own border, exactly, And
how are we going to even advocate for

523
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:09.360
our allies like Israel when we are
not securing the homeland? Right? That's

524
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.159
so, I mean, it just
seems like we're living in an upside down

525
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:19.199
world where you know, we've got
the printing press, the digital printing press,

526
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.199
we're deficit spending out the wall zoo. If we didn't have the reserve

527
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:29.880
currency standard here in America, we
would have seen why more republic like inflation.

528
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.760
And you know, and I just
got back from a trip in California

529
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.800
where they're they're running a debt that's
in excess of two hundred billion dollars.

530
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.920
They don't have any money, I
know. Yeah, So yeah, I

531
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.599
mean, at some point, when
is enough going to be enough? Yeah?

532
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.480
Exactly, Well, David, as
we wrapped things up here we got

533
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:57.760
about six minutes and again relevant,
you know, to these voting machines.

534
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.559
You know, I'm with you.
I just think they lack credibility. I

535
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.880
think when they went to the Hill
and there was investigation on this, and

536
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:13.559
it was so frustrating to me because
I think that in this particular case,

537
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:19.599
I think they were interviewing the CEO
of Dominion and he flat out lied about

538
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:25.599
there being a modem in the machine
that he says, there's no way that

539
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.400
these machines had any kind of Internet
connectivity, until you know, one of

540
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.360
the one of the legislatures said well, well look at the here, that's

541
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.440
a modem that connects you to the
Internet. The guy was flat out lying,

542
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:44.320
and here we are. You know
why they were able to go on

543
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:50.920
and live another day beyond this and
then end up assuming Fox News even for

544
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.920
an incredible amount of money. I
don't know. This is, like you

545
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.960
said, it's an upside down world
in which we live in that I get.

546
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:07.920
I guess the the bureaucratic power base
is expecting that America just go along

547
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:14.280
to get along and we accept the
unreasonable. But it's too brain damaging to

548
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:21.239
sit there and continue to accept that
which is unreasonable, isn't it. Yeah?

549
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.440
You know, like I said,
every podcast, every event, in

550
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.519
some ways it evolves into us kind
of commiserating on the corruption that we see.

551
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.519
The question is what are we going
to do about it? And there's

552
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:42.480
no sexy solution that if you you
know, file this magic lawsuit or do

553
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.079
this, or you know, gather
on this podcast, that all of a

554
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:51.159
sudden you're going to see sanity.
This is about doing the hard sacrificial work

555
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:53.840
of going to this place that I
call the gap. It's a place of

556
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:59.719
inner position, it's ground zero,
and it has to be done at the

557
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:06.119
law level because you're not going to
convince an entire captured legislature to just do

558
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.039
what you say exactly. Know.
It's kind of like, you know,

559
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:13.320
Peter Jordan Peterson was very famous for
saying, before solving the world's problems,

560
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.320
how about cleaning your own room?
Yeah, and we don't. We don't

561
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.559
like cleaning up the mess that's right
before us. And until we're willing to

562
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:29.880
confront the city councilor or the county
commissioner about the abject lawlessness that we're experiencing,

563
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:37.679
we're kind of exercising this gallows like
complainer's humor where we gather and we

564
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.239
comment, yeah, you see how
corrupt Biden was? Did you see the

565
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.239
corrupt thing that Biden did today?
And after doing this for four years,

566
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:53.239
I think my utility and coming on
these shows is to let people know nothing

567
00:46:53.320 --> 00:47:00.320
else will work other than the American
people climbing back into the trenches saying okay.

568
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:06.000
And I guess I would leave your
audience with this is I just can't

569
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:12.440
imagine my grandfather and you probably think
about your grandfather, that we'd be in

570
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:16.480
this mess and there's something different.
What was it about our fathers and grandfathers

571
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:21.840
that were different from the men today
is that they spoke plainly, and when

572
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.840
they said something, they meant it, and you could expect them to show

573
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:28.119
up. And if they went to
a place, they weren't going to be

574
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:34.199
treated like garbage by quote unquote public
servants. And they wouldn't let our universities

575
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:38.719
be run over by Hamas terrorist groups. They wouldn't allow this nonsense. And

576
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.199
one of the biggest problems that I
saw with January sixth wasn't the fact that

577
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.199
people gathered. The biggest problem is
that there should have been seventy three more

578
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.119
million people there, and we should
have never left until we solved the problem.

579
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.719
But I digress. Well, David, do you think that because people

580
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:04.320
are so focused on the federal issue
that they overlook the ground floor issue,

581
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:09.239
that is the local level, Because
what happens federally is a manifestation of what's

582
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.159
at the root, and what's at
the root is the local level, don't

583
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.079
you think, Well? Yeah,
I mean, look, we've lost sight

584
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.760
of the tenth Amendment. We've lost
sight of separation of powers when it comes

585
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:30.239
to domestic lawmaking that was always supposed
to be a local issue. An article

586
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.159
on Section eight sets out the eighteen
and only eighteen enumerated powers that Congress is

587
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.280
supposed to touch, and if you
really focus on what those powers delineate,

588
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:44.320
it's free trade and national offense.
That's it, right, exactly. Everything

589
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.480
else was supposed to be done through
local governance, and the more local the

590
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:54.000
better. That's something that's shown heavily
in the federalist papers by Madison. Yeah,

591
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:59.679
so we've abdicated that and we want
basically the equivalent of a king,

592
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:06.000
want a federal king to solve all
of our problems, and in the process

593
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.039
we've created great apathy it's very very
reminiscent of First Samuel. The people are

594
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.559
going to say, we want a
kid. They wanted a king. He's

595
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:15.599
like, okay, we're going to
give the king and with that you're going

596
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.000
to see all forms of slavery.
And we did the same thing in our

597
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.000
country, in our constitutional republic.
We wanted a king to solve all of

598
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:30.800
our problems. And now we look
around and you get what your apathy gets

599
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.519
you. And yeah, well,
professor, it's a perfect way to wrap

600
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.239
things up. I mean, you
hit the point, You get the nail

601
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:44.880
right on the head. America wants
a king and they've abdicated and this is

602
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.920
this is what they got. You
know, the bureaucracy is their king and

603
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.800
they're grumbling. But you know,
the grief to happiness ratio may cause a

604
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.920
movement here to where you know,
people will get up off of their couches

605
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.599
and do something. And it all
starts at the local level. And this

606
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.280
is something that we remind our listeners
and our viewers all the time. So

607
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.199
professor, thank you again for your
time, thank you for coming on.

608
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.119
You know, God bless you and
you and your family. I just pray

609
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.400
that God's had your protection would continue
to be about you, and that I

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know that you see him as your
provider, and may he richly, richly

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provide for you and for your family
for all that you've invested, you know,

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for everybody's freedom here, and I
thank you for doing that. You're

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welcome, Bill, and thank you
for having me. David Clemency Award winning

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a business law professor and prosecutor who
has passionately pursued the truth that over now

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it looks like seventy percent clearly a
mandate of Americans are demanding regarding the twenty

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twenty presidential elections. The pursuit of
truth has costume as professorship and income.

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And we're grateful for the professor for
coming on the show and grateful for having

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you with us. Thank you so
much for joining us today. For more

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information on the show, you can
check it out Bill Martina Show dot com.

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Have yourself a blessed day.