How the Washington Post Betrayed Deep Throat, Covered Up Watergate, and Began Today's Partisan Advoc

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W FORCY Radio. Well, good
afternoon, and welcome to the Bill Martinez

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Live TV Show. Great to have
you with us. You know, growing

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up in the Watergate era, we
were told old that Woodward and Birdstein were

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the bastions of professional journalism. Right
but for them, we would not know

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the whole truth and nothing but about
Watergate. But little did you know,

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like so many things that we're learning
these days, that all things are not

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exactly as they seem, and certainly
this is the case when you consider what

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happened during the era of Watergate.
The author of the book Postgate, John

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O'Connor, is going to be joining
us in just a moment. He explains

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how the Washington Post betrayed deep throat, covered up Watergate, and began today's

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partisan advocacy journalism. Now, the
conventional wisdom I mentioned of Watergate is turned

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on its head by Postgate, revealing
that the Post did not uncover Watergate as

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much as it covered it up.
And give you a moment to let that

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circle around your brain and see if
you can catch this. The Nixton administration,

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itself involved in a cover up,
was the victim of a journalistic smokescreen

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that prevented mitigation of its criminal guilt
as a result of the paper a successful

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misdirection. Today, strikingly deceptive partisan
journalism can be laid at the doorstep of

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the Washington Post. Now. I
know the movie told you something else,

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but here's the whole truth and nothing. But we bring the author and lawyer

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of the book Postgate, John O'Connor
to join us now. John, welcome

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to Michel. Good to have you
with us, Hey, good to be

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with you. Bill. Well,
you know your book that was written you

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know, several years ago. Boy
is so appropriate today? And who would

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have thought as you were unraveling the
journalistic shenanigans of the Washington Post, How

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how diabolical it could become. And
here we are in today's America not even

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trusting you know, journalists or the
mainstream media anymore. Well, that's right.

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When I started representing Mark Felton for
years, I had known he was

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deep throat and worked with him and
then tried to get out his story.

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I still believed that the great shining
example of good journalism was Watergate journalism,

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that it had hit the mark.
Now as I got into it, I

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and dealt more directly with the Post. I started having questions to such a

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degree, and I explained this in
Postgate that I decided to go back and

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look at the original journalism and also
what we knew at the time, or

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what was known to someone at the
time. And what I found was that

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the Post knew far more from the
very outset, from the very first day,

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knew far more about the whys and
wherefores of this burglary than did the

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Oval Office. Now, let's let
that sink in. The Post knew more

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about this from the very first day
than did the Oval Office. Now we

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have got, for instance, there's
a good book recently that came out,

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but that tries to hut to the
Post line but unwittingly talks about how even

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a year after the Burkel Room,
the White House people are still scratching their

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heads trying to figure out if somebody
from the administration it actually authorized this silly

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caper. And their realization comes to
be that no, John Mitchell did not

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do this. Boy, we're surprised
he really didn't order this. They always

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suspected that he must have, that
he was just lying about his participation,

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And of course then they realized that
he hadn't ordered it. The Post knew

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that from the beginning, and the
Post will admit it now now today,

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in the light of hindsight, they
will admit that John Mitchell, the Attorney

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General of Nixon, was not behind
the So the question is raised, well,

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who did the order of this burglary
and what was it about? Exactly?

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The Post let me let me ask
you thist. Let's go hold on

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this one idea first of all,
and that is, you know, our

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viewers are saying, how did the
Post know more about Watergate than the White

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House? What was their inside channel? Well, here's what I would say.

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First of all, the White House
did not know about this, at

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least the important guys there are a
couple of junior aids that probably got hooked

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in by the CIA folks, Howard
Hunt who and James McCord who had infiltrated.

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But let me give you a couple
of facts here, Bill. When

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the Post had reporters right on site, they had a fellow who was so

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in with the police that they led
him into the crime site scene fellow named

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Alfred Lewis, who then collaborated with
Edward and Bernstein for the first articles.

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I'll give you one example. I'll
give you two examples. First of all,

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everything was happening not in the part
of the office is where the DNC

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even was. All the action was
in an affiliated organization that was right whose

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offices were right across the street from
the wiretap monitor, that had nothing to

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do with the DNC. They were
listening to a phone that had nothing to

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do with the DNC. The Post
knew that right away. They also knew

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something else. I'm going to tell
your audience about this, because this is

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fascinating. This has never been reported
by the Post, not in fifty years.

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There was a violent struggle between one
of the arresting police officers and one

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of the burglars. One of the
burglars. When told to assume the position

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against the wall, reached into his
pocket to grab something. The policeman said

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stop or I'll shoot. Stop,
don't do that. The guy persisted,

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went into his pocket, pulled something
out and tried to get rid of it.

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It turned out it was a desk
key, a little desk key that

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was attached to a little pocket notebook
that the guy had in his thing.

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He tried to get rid of it. The arresting officer said, I almost

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had to break his arm. The
fellow that was getting rid of it a

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guy named Eugenio Martinez, one of
the so called Cubans. He was actually

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an active CI agent, There's no
doubt about it. I'm not making this

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up. At the time, he
was on the CIA's payroll, all right,

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So that's the number one, number
two. He was trying to get

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rid of this key. Why,
as the arresting officer said at the time,

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he said, I almost had to
break his arm. He got the

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key and it later turned out to
be a key to a desk in that

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part of the office that I talked
about. But as the officer said,

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he identified the target. Now did
the post ever tell the public the area

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the burglars were in as having nothing
to do with the DNC or the campaign.

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No did they tell about this dramatic, dramatic struggle with the officer.

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No, did they tell about the
desk key. No, the most single

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important piece of evidence in our most
important political scandal that undid the most powerful

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administration on the face of the earth
for the most powerful country. Exactly,

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and yet we have not today fifty
one years later after the burglary, had

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the Post tell us that there was
a desk key and there was this struggle.

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So they made a point. If
you look at Woodward and Bernstein's book

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and also the reporting at the time, Oh, it looks like the Post

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is very detailed. They talked about
how all the stuff they found on the

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burglars. Oh, they found tiny
tear gust pens. They found so many

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hundred dollar bills with certain sequences.
Uh, they found this, They found

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that, they found notebooks, they
found this. There are there is never

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a mention of the key, the
key, yes, and so there we

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are. That's this is just one
example. Now there are other things that

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I go through. Let me ask
you this, John, real quick.

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This really points to a CIA slash
FBI operation. This was this is what

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this starts to smell of. Right, Well, it's not a FBI operation.

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The FBI right away when they investigated, they were very straight. Other

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than the top guy in the FBI, who was a Nixon appoint d.

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The top guy in the FBI was
Mark, my client, Mark Felt.

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Okay. From the very first day, Bill Felt and his agents thought that

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this was a botched CIA job,
and in fact it turns out it was

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a botched CIA job. Okay,
Now, let me tell your audience a

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dramatic fact which will cement what I
am telling them. Anyone who remembers either

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the book or the movie will remember
that the most dramatic part of the movie

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is when Deep Throat goes into the
garage. His lips are quivering. He's

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worried, and he tells Woodward,
everyone's life's in danger. Now that's a

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serious accusation, don't They may try
to kill you, they may wire tap

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you. Woodward got so worried that
he went to Ben Bradley's house. First,

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he went to Bernstein's apartment, then
to Ben Bradley's house. They huddled

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out in the yard for fear of
being wire tapped. They were scared out

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of their minds. And this was
a threat not from the White House.

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This was a threat that Mark Felt, who was with the FBI, and

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who would know about these things exactly. He wasn't just making it up.

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He had basis for his knowledge about
this threats to life and so forth.

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Did they ever report that, Remember, this is a dramatic incident that Woodward

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milks because it's so dramatic. But
did they report it? No, because

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if they reported it, they would
be reporting that the CIA was worried that

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its role would finally be unearthed because
it looked like it was happening. The

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CIA had successfully hidden this thing for
about a year when Felt went into the

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garage. Now the CIA is threatening
lives, and as I detail in my

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book, they actually killed one person
and probably too threatened another fellow. And

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the Post reported none of this.
So here we have. And meanwhile,

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the Post went out of its way
to tell everybody that the CIA was not

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involved, and they sneered at the
White House was sort of suspecting that the

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CIA was kind of involved. They
were told that they weren't by the CIA,

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of course, who was lying about
it, but they expected it,

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and the Post just made fun of
them. It just said, oh,

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you're just trying to put this off
on the CIA, right, and in

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fact, the c it was a
CI job. Now that that was a

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long answer to your question about whether
it's a CI FBI job. It was

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a CIA job definitely, which the
FBI knew about. And now let me

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give the audit your audience one more
real quick here, John, real quick.

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We're talking with John O'Connor. He's
a Deep Throats lawyer and he's also

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author of the book Postgate, How
the Washington Post betrayed Deep Throat, covered

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up Watergate and began today's partisan advocacy
journalism. You know, to your point

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on this, it's interesting also,
and we can bring this up and talk

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in more detail. Recently it was
again brought to our attention speaking of the

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CIA and maybe why they made a
point of going after Nixon is because Nixon

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had you know, he made the
claim that the CIA was responsible for JFK's

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assassination. Is there any relevancy to
that, John, Well, not in

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terms of Watergate. One of the
things he did say on the tape,

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John dene had talked Nixon into trying
to call the FBI off the Mexican money

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trail investigation by saying a CIA investigation
might be uncovered. Nixon thought that was

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a false claim. In fact,
the CI was probably involved. But no,

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Nixon did allude to the fact that
there were a lot of secrets that

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Nixon knew about the CIA that Richard
Helm's, the head of the CI,

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would not want Nixon to unearth.
So he made that offhand comment, and

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I think he's probably talking about a
lot of things that surrounded, not directly

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involved in the assassination, but surrounded
the assassination that Nixon knew about from his

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vice presidency. Remember, Nixon started
going after Castro when in nineteen fifty nine,

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and he authorized these assassination squads and
knew all about it and knew what

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the CIA was doing there. So
I think Nixon was alluding to that.

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But none of this had to do
with the Kennedy assassination. Nixon just made

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an offhand comment about about Helms and
having the need to continue to hide things.

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Yeah, there's a rich vein about
the CIA, but it's irrelevant to

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Watergate. Okay, well, good
to know because that was recently brought up.

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And you go, okay again,
you know, as we always say,

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John, in the absence of fact, opinion rules, conspiracy rules.

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And certainly we've had so many theories
about you know, JFK's assassination, and

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of course you're bringing up some things
here that seemed to lend a little bit

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of credence to some of the suspicion
that we have because you know, how

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much can we trust the CIA,
Well we can't. I mean, part

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of their role is to lie.
In fact, in fact, it's amazing

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that I mean, and just flat
out and they will tell you straight up

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that's our job. We were born
to lie, right right, And Bill,

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let me tell you something else.
They had the cidad to rights on

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some lies that they told Congress.
I'm trying to think which ones they were.

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And part of their defense was that
it's okay to lie, and furthermore

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that the senators Richard Russell of Georgia
is an old one and he was one

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of their big supporters. And there
was another fellow too that these fellows that

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they told Russell and these guys,
look, you understand, we have to

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lie when we go to We can't
talk our secrets in public. And in

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fact, there is some logic to
it. If you're going to keep things

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secret. You shouldn't have to go
to a congressional hearing and tell them an

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open forum. And they got out
of And I think one of the reasons

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chard Elms only got busted to a
misdemeanor for some other lies. It wasn't

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Watergate, but some otherlies. He
got busted to a misdemeanor from a felony

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because that he had the CIA lies
defense. So yes, and that's highly

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ironic because when it came to the
Iran Contra affair years later, all the

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I guess they were Reagan administration people
got convicted of lying, but it was

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the same thing. They were lying
about national defense. And uh, and

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you know, maybe we shouldn't be
subjecting people to these questions in public.

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But yes, the CIA lies quite
a bit. They lie for a living.

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There's a book by Tim Weener of
the New York Times, and he's

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clearly a progressive guy, hates hates
everything conservative. But he writes in his

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book Legacy of Ashes, that the
CI has been lying for for decades now.

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He himself helps out the CIA's caused
by ignoring everything that happened in Watergate.

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But that's what happens. People hate
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cover in the mainstream media for the
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Woodward had a deal with the guy
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Mullaning Company was a cover company that
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that Woodward had a deal with the
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hidden. So the CIA's documents say
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there are other evidence that the CIA
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firm for the Democrats to keep the
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it that I suspect with Woodward and
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a case of this magnitude that maybe
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this that they became, in a
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idiots, that they were expendable.
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a landmine and blew themselves up,
that was going to be okay with the

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Post. But as things worked out, you know, having covered by the

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CIA and as this thing unraveled,
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you say, what they said into
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know how they were going to rewrite
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here's something The Post really was in
this by necessity, and let me

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tell you why. Okay, even
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they had to cover up for the
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go what the CIA was doing,
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DNC had a Bordello referral program going
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Posts were locked together at the hip. Their general counsel, Joseph Califano,

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the Democratic politician, was also the
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Post had proudly been the Democratic paper
of records since eighteen seventy seven when they

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were founded. They were founded as
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protect the Post, and I'm sorry, in order to protect their twin sister,

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the DNC, they had to protect
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this, the Democrats filed suit against
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had to cover up four Democrats.
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skewer Nixon. So Woodward and Bernstein. Their job was simply to skewer Nixon

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and ignore all other evidence and focus
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things obviously that Nixon did, but
no one understood the context of what Nixon

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was doing and the context of the
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had a completely different interest than the
Nixon White House. But nonetheless, they

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needed to get Nixon before Nixon got
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thing was about. It's like,
it's early reminiscent of today. So that's

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how we got I think about Russia
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Hillary for everything she did, she
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The press goes along with it.
Everybody's focus is on oh, Trump

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must be colluding with the Russians,
and nobody and people ignore what Hillary's doing

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back in her own backyard. Well, you know, as you say,

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here's the post basically a media arm
of the DNC. And today all media,

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just about including the social media,
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for the d n C, are
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whole thing started. Remember, Watergate
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right for this because we've spent all
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you know, civil rights, women's
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youth movement, anti Vietnam, anti
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a sort of a liberal protest movement, which would have been just that.

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I mean, Americans accommodate protest.
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and get rid of the worst.
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conservatives, now all the media embraces
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so they can go get the bad
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then servatives exactly. So you now
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trying to get the conservatives, you
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obviously the politicians, and they sort
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been there ever since. So we
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There's not a dimes worth of difference
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what the Democrats put forth in their
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liberal papers and stations report. So
think almost almost verbatim, John, word

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for word, almost verbatim. And
it's like an ideological group. Right.

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Well, it was reported here that
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thirty nine universities, all teaching and
training this same ideological paradigm. To your

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point, and it's no wonder that
whether it's the newsrooms of television, the

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editorial boards of these different publications,
they're all speaking the same talk. They're

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all ideologically fixed. And in the
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mean I agree with Jordan Peterson,
and that is that you become so ideologically

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fixed, you render yourself stupid.
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quite a group of intellectuals at the
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to their ideology, they render themselves
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the American people in terms of journalistic
responsibility. I mean, look at we're

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giving what are we giving pillets or
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I mean things that aren't proven.
I mean, this is this is incredible

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when it comes to you know,
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today. Well, that's right,
and one of the things that characterizes journalism

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today, it's not just a question
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we're putting it out. You could
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eighteen nineties. There's a difference today. These people are reporting ideologically, not

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transactionally or about specific issues. It's
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That's number one. But number two, like most socialist authoritarian regimes, is

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there is an effort to punish the
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the shaming of the opposition, so
that it's not just a debate across tribal

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lines as people think it is.
It's not a debate, it's one side

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that wants to debate. These are
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moderates that don't have an ideology,
and then you have the ideological people that

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are basically canceling and punishing speech.
So, for example, it's one thing

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to say I believe that the climate
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No, you have to demonize your
opposition by talking about them being climate

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deniers. They're terrible. Oh you
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The Post isn't saying listen, let's
let's debate this. We think we're right,

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but let's debate it. Don't.
They're election deniers, they're crooks,

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they're criminals. Look at the trumpet. They they haven't presented one iota of

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evidence that the twenty twenty election was
legitimate. And you've got a majority of

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Americans John O'Connor that insist that there
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twenty elections, Well, that's right. I'm just reading a book now called

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Debunked. Would yes, yes,
Jeffrey, recommended by Joseph Freed. But

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he goes through through the evidence.
He's an auditor, and by god,

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you don't realize how much stuff there
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suits purported to actually decide the elections
on their merits. Quite the contrary,

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And I agree with this, the
judgments to wait a second. The election's

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over. I can't bring in two
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votes can and who's don't. There
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the court is not the place to
do this. That's why you have election

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sites, and you should have safeguards
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It's too bad you can't get the
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And so yes, but what's what's
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I mean, I get it.
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this constitutional republic on its head because
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forward. And you know, like
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looking for affirmation that he did the
right thing. I mean, look at

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if you did the right thing,
that should settle it. You don't need

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seven other people in the debate stage
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To me, that was really puny
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that was sort of silly. That's
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you know, the point is well
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here on this election stuff that anybody
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election denier or is the January sixth
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big lie. Two of the suits
against Trump. Two of the charges

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against Trump basically said, oh,
he lied about these six states. Well

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wait a second, he was never
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Nor should he have been, in
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that. But now he's in court
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that's a big difference. It's one
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right place to decide this. It's
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said I think there's something rotten in
Denmark here exactly. So that's what we

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have here. But my issue is
the press loves to cancel and shame,

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and of course they're doing that in
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the prosecutors are trying to shame and
cancel, and you can look at these

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things as efforts to stymy free speech. Most people, certainly most moderate and

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conservative people, will say there's a
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one of the reasons that they are
continuing to pursue this is they don't want

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election remedies. What we should be
doing today is not talking about Trump's indictments,

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but how do we make sure that
there aren't millions of millions of ballots

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that are just going out there willy
nilly, that any vote harvester can come

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up and pick out of the trash
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mean, there are millions of ballots
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It's presumed in Michigan that the signatures
were all right. Stacy Abramson just about

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got a law passed that you couldn't
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want permanently, not just during COVID. They want this permanently, and so

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what happens. We're now getting to
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fixed. It's almost like we're Banana
Republic. And the whole point for our

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discussion bill is that they're silencing people
like you and me from raising points that

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we should be looking forward to having
a fair election with safeguards. We should

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be like Europe. Europe doesn't have
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voting except in tiny, limited circumstances. You really have to go through a

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lot to get a mail invalid.
And that's where we should be going.

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But we're not going there because we're
getting shouted down and insulted by indictments by

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the mainstream media just talking about election
deniers. Oh they're still talking about the

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election. That's terrible. Into their
point, I wish Trump would not say

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I won so much as let's reform
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We should all agree that it was
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we really are kind of guessing as
to whether he would have one or not.

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I mean, I happen to think
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win. But my point is I
don't know, because we don't have election

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safeguards. Yeah, we really don't
know either way. That's the shame of

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all this, and because we have
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I thought you were going to say
earlier. What reminds us of the pain

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we're going through, unfortunately, is
a able minded, you know, chief

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executive officer who is occupying the Oval
office and is an absolute disaster to our

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economy, our national security, our
border. I mean, this is amazing

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where we find ourselves, John,
And that is that doctors are being chastised.

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They're losing their license because they have
prescribed either mettem or hydroxy cloroquinn and

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they've saved lives. But meanwhile,
Joe Biden and the Department of Homeland Security

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is soldering the gates of our southern
border open to let Fenton all rush through

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and kill thousands of American citizens.
I mean, this is rich irony at

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its best. Well, speaking of
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at Fried's book Debunked, you will
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or i should say in practices,
that illegal aliens are allowed to vote without

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proving their citizenship exactly. So there's
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federal form, where you can just
submit it. And apparently, at least

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in some states, illegal aliens are
allowed to vote, or at least,

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let's put it this way, they're
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they should be allowed to vote and
reconciled those illegal votes after you know,

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the animals have left the barn.
Well right, there's no way to check.

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I mean, one of the things
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if you if you fill out what
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have to put any idea in there
or any proof of citizenship, so you

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can vote, and there's no way
to discount your vote. So the more

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people come across that border, and
if they're organized, correct, Katie bar

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the door. Now we're having a
legals vote and more than important. We're

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having all kinds of vote harvesters vote
with illegible signatures so that nobody can really

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check exactly. And as long as
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doing any kind of of a check, I mean, how can we have

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a democracy? So I can't.
They're overwhelming the system, John with all

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this faux ballots, and uh,
you know, and and they know the

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system's no way the system can manage
this. And we haven't even talked about,

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you know, what the machines have
done in terms of you know,

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their count. You know, you've
got the head of Dominion, which blows

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me away to this day. And
I don't understand why Fox gaved the way

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they did. But Dominion was before
Congress saying that, you know, these

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jeans had no connection with the Internet
whatsoever. And I believe was Rand Paul.

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He said, well, what about
this box? This box kind of

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looks like a modem. What do
you think? And you know, here

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we are back holding to the CIA
a doctrine of plausible deniability, and they

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were able to escape, you know, a humongous lie in front of Congress,

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which to me still blows me away. Well, that's right, and

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so I don't understand the dominion suit, but they did have a bad judge.

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She'd already ruled that the statements were
false that they were making, and

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some of the statements, to be
fair, some of the statements. It's

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one thing to say dominion had problems, which he does, but then some

406
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people got carried away and made extreme
statements that were false. That then Fox

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carries. Now to what extent is
Fox responsible? Because Sidney Powe comes on

408
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and makes six claims, three of
which are good and three which are stupid,

409
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which is what happened. And she
may have hurt her own cause by

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going too far in one direction.
But the fact is there were serious issues

411
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raised about these dominion machines. Now
I think that's one of the minor problems

412
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in these elections. You have all
sorts of problems with registrations and vote harvesting.

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I'll give you an interesting statistic.
There's one I want to say.

414
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It is is it Georgia. I
believe that six point four percent of all

415
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I think I have the right state
here. Six point four percent of all

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ballots were rejected. Mail in ballots
were rejected in twenty sixteen. In twenty

417
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twenty that figure went down to point
five percent point five, so that it

418
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was eighteen times more rejections before and
and then when you get to Atlanta itself,

419
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it was even smaller. Uh.
And I may have it wrong,

420
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I think I think the standpoint something
else in other places, but the rejection

421
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:20.880
rate just plummeted because nobody was rejecting
anything. So but but these are the

422
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things that the press and this is
why the press is so uh detrimental to

423
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us all because there aren't they aren't
really reporting the true narratives. A democracy

424
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can't work, Bill, as you
know, if the public don't get in

425
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the public doesn't get its information.
You and I can study this stuff on

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00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.400
our own, and there are enough
sources that we can go get it.

427
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But how many people are there that
really have the time to do this or

428
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the inclination. They're not, but
they should be there and there used to

429
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being told what to believe. And
this is what you know, the mainstream

430
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media and the power forces, the
political power forces you know that we talked

431
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about earlier. This is what they're
counting on, is that America has been

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done down. This is why we
keep encouraging them and say, look at

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you've got to own your own knowledge. Don't take my word, don't take

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John's word for it. Hopefully what
we're sharing with you motivates you enough to

435
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do a deeper dive check it out
for yourself, because you know the fact

436
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of the matter is, Unfortunately the
environment is such as you point out,

437
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John, is the left doesn't want
to have a conversation. They don't want

438
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:30.679
it to debate these issues because it
it takes time, it takes intellect,

439
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.639
it takes a desire to really find
a you know, a higher level of

440
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.840
operation and to move more towards as
the Constitution talks about that more perfect union.

441
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.280
They don't want to handle that process. That's too hard for them,

442
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.880
and so it's easier for them to
invalidate you, shut you up, and

443
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:55.960
take control because in their own conviction, they know better than three hundred and

444
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.880
forty million people. Well, that's
right. It goes against the spirit.

445
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.199
The whole idea of America was based
on this notion of liberalism, and that

446
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.840
means free speech, marketplace of ideas, classical liberalism, and John Stuart Mill

447
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.719
talks about it. You want to
argue, and that's the way each side

448
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.519
gets to argue. And the better
argument, wins, and so forth.

449
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:21.400
And that's why we had the First
Amendment of redress grievances, free speech,

450
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and so forth. But what's happening
now is that half of the and it's

451
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not it's really less than half of
the country is figuring out you want to

452
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:36.519
stop free speech, you want to
stop the flow of debate and argument.

453
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.800
I'm a great believer that if you
debate, no matter how crazy one side

454
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might be, the truth will be
will be out, however, and everybody's

455
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all the better for it. John, I mean, I would hope that

456
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that's the America. I mean,
that's the America I want to live in.

457
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.280
Well, that's right. And de
Toqueville when he visited in America from

458
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France in eighteen thirty nine or so
of it. So he just experienced the

459
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despotism of a democracy over in France. That is to say that a democracy

460
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:15.760
can be as despotic as an authoritarian
or royalist regime of some kind. And

461
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.480
he was worrying about that because what
he said was, if you get into

462
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the despotic democracy, which is where
our country's head it now, you infantilize

463
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your citizens. You try to make
them trusting and believe whatever it is that

464
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is dictated to them, and it's
working to some degree. Here about half

465
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of our population is infantilized. They
believe whatever path the mainstream media puts out

466
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there, and then they're good boys
and girls will patch you on the head.

467
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.360
You're believing the right things. Now, don't mess up your head with

468
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:57.119
any of these debates and trying to
stay away from those crazy conservatives. That's

469
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.800
right. And why is it bill
that on college campuses? So many kids

470
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need safe spaces whenever there's an argument
that's going to intrude on their safe spaces.

471
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They don't know how to handle it. How we're not taught to argue

472
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and debate. They're taught dogma,
and then when somebody comes in with the

473
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fact that pierces that dogma, they
don't want to hear it. And so

474
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the press one of the things they're
doing, besides putting out just one side

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of the story, they're also punishing
anybody who might try to pierce that side

476
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of the story. And that's where
the real problem gets in destroying a country

477
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.400
that's supposed to be built on free
exchange of ideas. If we don't have

478
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that, and we're getting there now
or you can't say something where Congress is

479
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:51.559
talking about one side of the spectrum
having a big lie. Now, now

480
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.360
you've got serious problems with your democracy. Yeah, without a doubt, we're

481
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talking with a lawyer for Throat.
John O'Connor is with us, author of

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the book Postgate, how the Washington
Post portrayed Deep Throat, covered up Watergate

483
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.480
and began today's partisan advocacy journalism.
John, we've gone full circle with this

484
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.039
because here we are, I mean
a lot you and you referenced this a

485
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lot that we're experiencing today in you
know, in some regards is similar to

486
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.679
Watergate, what Donald Trump is experiencing, what this country is going through once

487
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:35.480
again. Oh yeah, it's Watergate
on steroids. Watergate on steroids. I

488
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.920
mean, Nixon was unfairly pilloried.
He didn't know what was going on.

489
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.119
He got bad advice from his junior
counsel who didn't know what happened. John

490
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.519
Deane knew exactly what had happened,
right, He didn't let anybody in the

491
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.320
White House know. He was a
compromised guy. Yes, so Nixon was

492
00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:02.679
unfairly treated. But the unfairness and
the lies that were promulgated by the post,

493
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and Watergate seemed like nothing today given
what the way our press is today.

494
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And remember back in nineteen seventy two, all my sixties wild Brethren from

495
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:20.760
the campuses, they were just starting
out as faculty members. They were just

496
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:25.400
starting out in the media. Now
they have control people, our age have

497
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:34.559
control, Bill and and they self
chose themselves to be to head up the

498
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.840
media, to head up the universities, to head up social work. And

499
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:45.280
that's what we have. We have
this elite group showing us. We have

500
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.400
this elite group that is really the
vanguard now and it's just a shame and

501
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.079
it's very hard to get out of
this trap. Yeah, without a doubt.

502
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.239
I mean Donald Trump revealed to America
just like he did. They're with

503
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.519
the southern border, the deep state, you know. But for Donald Trump,

504
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.119
nobody was talking about the deep state
before John That's right. And one

505
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.039
of the things that one of the
reasons, and people on the left don't

506
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:17.159
realize this, one of the reasons
that Donald Trump has been so popular is

507
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.199
is that he comes right at him
and he won't cow to their nonsense.

508
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.800
You know. Whereas George Bush when
this happened, when George W. Was

509
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:30.079
in office, he and Laura and
Connie Rice just sort of slumped back in

510
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.280
their offices after being heroic in helping
this country get out of nine to eleven,

511
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:37.960
and rather than bucking them up,
Oh no, now, we just

512
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.920
started jumping on them. Once we're
safe. They crawled out from under their

513
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:49.400
beds and they went after the guy. And Republicans see that their representatives are

514
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.519
getting pilloried by these folks, and
nobody's standing up to him and saying,

515
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.599
bs, I'm fighting back. Well, if you remember Marcel of the problem,

516
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.400
John, I mean, this is
all what has developed the uniparty.

517
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.519
They're no longer Republican. Call them
rhinos and that, but I mean,

518
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.920
you know, it's like they're you
know, they're more interested in the Beltway

519
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:16.679
cocktail parties and being served by this
deep state constituency than serving their constituents themselves.

520
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.960
Well, except I will give them
a little bit of a defense.

521
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.119
I will say this, They just
don't These guys just don't have the appetite

522
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:31.039
or the constitution to fight everybody.
They want to go to You're right,

523
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.320
they want to go to a cocktail
party. They want to go to a

524
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.480
restaurant without people hissing at him and
booing. And this is what Saul Alinsky

525
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.519
said in his rules for radicals.
Anytime somebody says something opposite to you,

526
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.400
you shame them, you call them
out, you demonize them. Yes,

527
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.480
example, Trump is one guy who
wasn't going to take it, and he

528
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.920
was going to fight back. And
that's why he has such a passionate following.

529
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:59.119
People don't understand, Oh, how
could this country be so stupid as

530
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.519
to follow this brash real estate developer. Well, guess what. This brash

531
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.239
real estate developer is not afraid to
stick his face right into yours and saying,

532
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.719
no, you're talking nonsense. Recall
this bill. Recall this incident.

533
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.960
It was during the debates, and
maybe it was two thousand and twelve,

534
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:16.960
two thousand and eight, I don't
know when. It was, maybe twenty

535
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.760
sixteen, where John King, the
moderator, started out by questioning Nuke Gingrich

536
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:29.239
about his infidelities and his visiting his
wife on his deathbed and so forth,

537
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.480
and Nuke Gingrich just went right after
John King and says, this is disgusting

538
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.360
that you're bringing this up in a
presidential debate, and so forth. The

539
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:45.559
crowd went wild. They went wild
because somebody was talking back to these guys

540
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.159
in the press. They would never
say this to anybody on the other side.

541
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.800
They would never say this to Bill
Clinton. They try to make a

542
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.320
big thing out of this thing with
nuke gingrits just tried to get into some

543
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:02.320
little peccadillo and his life. And
people don't like that. People see this.

544
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.880
It's a mean spirited bunch. And
Trump, to his credit, says,

545
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.320
I don't care. Keep doing it, keep going after me. I'm

546
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.119
not going to be stopped. I'm
a rampaging bull. You can stick these

547
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:21.039
little pins in me. It's not
going to do anything. And that's the

548
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.079
source of his appeal exactly. And
people don't realize this. It's an anti

549
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.159
press appeal. Well, look what's
happening, all these indictments. His polling

550
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.239
numbers keep going up. They're freaking
out going Wait a minute, when is

551
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:37.400
this guy going to fold up?
And his followers just keep increasing in numbers,

552
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:43.800
his fundraising increases, and the rest
of his competition on the debate stage

553
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.800
just pales and insignificance. Well,
that's right, and I think to a

554
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.760
certain degree it backfired a bit on
the Democrats that Trump has become so popular

555
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:59.880
because of this that said, My
fear is that the middle of the electric

556
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.519
will be influenced by this. And
I think now the Democrats are looking at

557
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.119
this and saying, hey, we
may have made Trump stronger, and maybe

558
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.000
this is really brilliant on our part. I don't think they intended it.

559
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.039
But it won't ruin him for the
nomination, but we'll ruin him in the

560
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:21.760
general, they hope, And so
that remains to be seen. I personally,

561
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.519
I'm worried that he's going to get
convicted before the election, and then

562
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.800
there are going to be some people
that are going to be wary of voting

563
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.199
for Trump, more or less in
the middle of the spectrum, and so

564
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.079
I've been worried about that for a
while. I don't know what to do

565
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:46.679
about it, because I'm in a
position now of saying, Jay, you

566
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.800
know, if I support DeSantis,
will that be looked upon as an insult

567
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.000
to Trump? You know? And
nobody wants to go out and kick a

568
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.119
guy while he's being kicked by the
press. That's the problem. You don't

569
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:06.639
want to criticize Trump, you know. And look, Trump did not do

570
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.119
us any good by not helping out
in Georgia after the twenty twenty election.

571
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.159
He should have helped out more Georgia
and not done what he did. We

572
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:20.639
probably could have had a Senate that
was a Republican. So yes, there's

573
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.639
things to criticize him about. People
were dissatisfied with him for some of these

574
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:29.480
things. But now he's getting attacked
and here it is again. So now

575
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.199
everyone more or less just feels almost
disloyal if they don't say, ja,

576
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.440
I'm you know, go get him
Trump. And I got to say that

577
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.239
every time they do something to him, I want to say, go get

578
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.920
him, go get him Trump fight
back exactly well, and as he put

579
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.559
it, you know, he's fighting
for all of us, John, I

580
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.599
mean, because they can do this
to him, they're gonna do. I

581
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.400
mean, look what happened with the
January sixth. You know, people that

582
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.599
are still in jail, solitary confinement
for years. I'm it's disgusting what has

583
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:05.599
happened in our country, but there's
nobody yelling about that. Think about what

584
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:10.480
an affront to civil liberties it is
exactly to take people and these are people

585
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.840
that it's one thing if you were
you know, a leader of of you

586
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.840
know, a violent deal. There
are probably a hundred people that were involved

587
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.440
in that sort of stuff, and
you know they should get punished, there's

588
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.639
no doubt about. And other people
ought to get slaps on the wrist if

589
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:30.400
they were trespassing and did anything that
was malicious. But to put somebody in

590
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.559
jail for two and a half years
and and they're not they really didn't do

591
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:42.880
much. I just I just think
this is wrong. When think about this.

592
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:49.000
When five thousand people were rounded up
by the DC police during the nineteen

593
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.960
seventy I want to say, seventy
or seventy one May Day riots, they

594
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:59.599
put everybody in a pen at RFK
Stadium, and my client Mark Felt was

595
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:05.239
a asked. He was just mortified
that people would get thrown in jail for

596
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:13.239
what appeared to be free speech activities
and overblown And finally those people got released,

597
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.800
most of them got released. It's
it's anathema to America. Now look

598
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.719
at these people. They're still in
jail and they're still hunting people down.

599
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:27.079
I get reports from people that their
relatives or son in some part of the

600
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.039
country is still being hounded by FBI
agents who want to know where they were.

601
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.039
We've got to train a plane ticket
for you being in DC. We

602
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.199
think your cell phone shows this and
that. Where were you were you in

603
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:43.119
there? Example? Well, John, John, I'll tay, we got

604
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.719
to leave it there. We're out
of time. I cannot thank you enough

605
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:51.440
for coming on the show and putting
this all in perspective and helping us realize

606
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.239
that not much has changed. If
anything, it's only gotten worse. Right,

607
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It's gotten much worse. It's gotten
much worse without a doubt. John

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O'Connor. He's Deep Throat's lawyer,
author of the book Postgate, How the

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Washington Post betrayed Deep Throat covered up
Watergate began today's partisan advocacy journalism. John

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O'Connor, thank you very much for
being with us. Appreciate it. Take

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care, Bill, great talking to
you. You got it our thanks to

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John O'Connor and for more information and
to be a part of this mighty Martinist

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movement to return to God and to
save our country. Go to Bill Martin

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and Show dot com. May God
bless you and keep you, make his

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face shine upon you. May He
be gracious unto you and give you peace.

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Go and be blessed and be a
blessing. Thank you for being with

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us. Take care,