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Well, welcome to the Bill Martinez
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Our next guest. I've been looking forward

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to He's kind of in a way
as we go through his life history and

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that you might think it's a little
bit like Forrest Gump, because he has

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just been right there, I mean, right in the middle of history and

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he's been able to document it.
And it's such a blessing what he has

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done with his new book, How
Do We Get out of Here? Half

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a century of laughter and mayhem of
the American Spectator. Our Emmett Tyrell Jor

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we call him Bob. He's the
founder and publisher of The American Spectator.

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He spent decades as one of the
most influential voices in conservative media. His

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memoir How Do We Get Out of
Here? Half a Century of laughter and

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Mayhem at the American Spectator from Bobby
Kennedy to Donald Jane Trump, has just

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been released. With his signature wit
and Insight, Tyrrel looks back on his

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long experiences from RFK Senior to Donald
Trump and everyone else in between. Bob,

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Welcome to the show. Good to
have you with us. It's good

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to be with you. Well,
I got to tell you. In the

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jacket it refers to you as irrepressible, and I think you're the first irrepressible

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author I've ever had the honor to
speak with. Well, I'll try to

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be irrepressible, so, uh,
you know, I appreciate. But this

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must have been a lot of fun
for you too, you know, put

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your memoir together, and I imagine
it's one of those projects that took you

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years plus the lifetime, right,
well lifetime to begin with. Yes,

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and it's been a lot of fun. I mean a lot of people to

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write a memoir. They lover and
cry about the terrible life that was handed

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to them. But frankly, I've
had a wonderful time. Even when the

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cleons uh ran up a bill against
of a lawyer for lawyers of a million

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million dollars, I still had a
good time. Well. Was it because

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you didn't take it all that serious, or you know what what kept you?

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Or just because of your irrepressible nature? I guess Well, I didn't

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become a writer to be grumpy and
gloomy. I became a writer to be

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happy and happy, go lucky.
And I think I've been done a pretty

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good time. Good a good job
at that. Well, and as you've

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seen in your profession as a writer, uh, you know that was your

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your ambition, and as you've seen
journalism evolve here, I guess part of

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my heart has been towards journalism as
well as a broadcast journalist, Bob,

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and uh, it breaks my heart
to realize the current status quo of journalism

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today that I believe is abandoned its
right to exist as uh, you know,

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as established in our constitution. Well, I mean, we don't need

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the First Amendment, I don't know, we don't need many of those amendments.

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These guys do anything they want to
do anyway, right right, yeah,

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sadly, but guys got the guys
and the guys. Yes, I've

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got to remember it's now filled with
the world of journalism is filled with the

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male and the female. And what
do you call a female guy a guyas

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I guess, I don't know.
I may have to go and seek the

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advice of a Supreme Court justice or
maybe not, because she's not sure what

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a woman is. So I mean, it is confusing in the world in

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which we live in, I find
myself maybe you do too as well.

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Is that you know it's kind of
like, you know, our old friend

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and motivational speaker zig Ziggler would say
that with some people, it's the dickens

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of a time to explain them to
others because it's like they need a translator.

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Well I'm here to translate for okay, Well, well good enough.

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Well you know, it was interesting
when when I started reading your book,

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the first thing you open up with
was your experience with you know, Bobby

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Kennedy Senior. You're honest age behind
him, all by yourself. He's giving

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a speech and there you are,
and I'm amazed in that situation, envisioning

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that situation, because a couple of
weeks later, he's in Los Angeles,

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and of course we know what's happened. And at the time, I was

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a class president of a community college
in Ventura, California, and had just

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met Bobby Kennedy, was doing some
work on his campaign, and of course,

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like everybody else around the world,
was shocked when he was assassinated.

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Well, yes, it was a
very sad moment. In fact, historians

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have said that was the first shot
fired by terrorists and what was to become

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an era of terror, right and
the things that's amazing, you know,

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and you as a journalist and having
an inquiring mind, it amazes me that

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to this day we still really never
got down to the bottom of sirran Saran.

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Did we? Oh? I think
we did. I mean, I

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think Sir Sarahan committed murder and uh
and I think that murder is about to

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be committed again by another another Kennedy
if the Secret Service isn't brought in to

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watch the Bob Kennedy Junior exactly.
I've been after the Clinton White House or

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the Biden White House for months to
give that man a secret Service detail,

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and it's astonishing that he's not yet. Yeah, yeah, I agree one

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hundred percent. I couldn't believe it. And there was already an attempted assassination.

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Then God, he had his own
bodyguards, right, yeah, those

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are costing him a bundle. Yeah, I mean this is absurd. I

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mean, unfortunately where we are right
now, the whole political process has been

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weaponized. Hillary Clinton gave us a
warning in twenty sixteen, interesting that she

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thought she was the target. But
you know, said quite clearly that well,

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here in America, you know,
we don't jail our political opponents,

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you know, in such a thing. But it seems the Biden administration is

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willing to break through the glass ceiling
of any kind of tradition and civility.

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Yeah, well, we'll see what
happens. Bobby's up to twenty two percent

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of the popularity with the Democrats.
He might be able to take this guy

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by none. Right, Well,
what do you think? I mean,

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this is a third party situation with
a lot of force, as you say,

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behind him. We haven't seen anything
like that since rossp row Some people.

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I mean, I hear both sides
of the spectrum here, Bob,

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where they're saying he could affect Biden
more than Trump, or Trump more than

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Biden. Where do you see the
divide? Well, I don't ready know

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where the divide is. But I
think that Bob Kennedy has run a good

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race thus far, and I'm anxious
to see how well he can do.

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I think he deserves a chance.
And I think it's I can't imagine that

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the Democrats being anything but embarrassed by
not extending secret Service assistance to Bob Kennedy.

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Well, I think, you know, for the Democratic Party. Do

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you see Bobby Kennedy as being one
to I guess rebirth the old Democratic blue

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dog Democrats as opposed to where the
Democratic Party is right now? Well,

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I think he I don't know where. He doesn't want to be pigeonholed in

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one hole or another, so I'll
stay out of it. Okay, all

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right. I don't think he cares
to have the support of a conservative right

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winger, but he's got my support
for for that uh position, And we'll

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see what happens. Well, certainly, what has worked for him and against

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him is and it's been his long, you know, consistent passion about about

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vaccines, about big pharma, and
uh, you know, and I I

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believe that his is a voice that
needs to be heard. It needs to

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be you know, considered in the
calculation when it comes to healthcare, doesn't

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it. Well, yes, it
deserves to be taken seriously. However,

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I must tell you with my left
arm up here, I got a blast

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of vaccine in the left arm yesterday
and it feels pretty good. Oh you're

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doing okay. Huh, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not sick yet.

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Well, don't don't say yet.
You know who was there was somebody

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just got uh. I can't remember
who it was, but they got a

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flu shot and uh, and they
got very sick. It was a celebrity.

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I can't remember which one it was. And recently I went in for

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a medical exam and they had they
had the needle there. They were getting

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ready to give me a flu shot. And and of course I've resisted a

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flu shot forever, much to my
mother's disdain, I might add. And

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you know, she asked me,
she goes, have you ever had any

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adverse reaction to the flu shot?
I said, well, I got the

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flu And I said, that's why
you're not going to put that needle in

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me. I just I you know, I trust my immune system. So

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far, so good, thank god, all these years I'm hanging in there

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with out of flu shots. So
I'm not necessarily a proponent for for flu

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shots. But I like anything I
say, it's it's an individual choice.

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And this is what I love about
America is that we still have right now,

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still have freedom of choice. Right
So. Uh So from you know,

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let's let's go through the book here, Bob, because you know,

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you know, from from Bobby Kennedy. Uh, I mean, it's a

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walk through history for you, uh, you know, and and a walk

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through history, you know, for
all of us. Uh And as you

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start out, you say, you
asked the question, you know, how

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do we get out of here?
Uh So, in your in your characterization,

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what is it that we need to
get out of Well, I'm just

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I took the title of from Bob
Kennedy, and he was asking, he

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was asking me how he gets out
of here? And I walked him over

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to the exit of the down the
steps to the steps, and I reached

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he reached out and shook my hand, and I reached down and handed him

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of Reagan for President button. As
I say, four weeks later he was

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dead. Yeah, yeah, Well, and the deal is, it's kind

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of interesting that question how do we
get out of here? That echoes through

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the current day, because that's what
we hear from a president all the time,

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is how to get out of here? Maybe that's what now. You

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may have put yourself in a position
to be, you know, Joe Biden's

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wrangler to get him off the stage. He seems to need some help these

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days, just you know, just
being a little cynical. Well, at

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any rate, I've enjoyed Joe for
twenty or for forty years. He's been

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lots of fun. So I want
him to continue to lots of fun for

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me. And that's I think a
lot of journalists view him now. When

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you say lots of fun, you
mean you know, top topic for for

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for your writing. Yes, he's
been. Every time he opens his mouth,

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he puts his foot in it.
Well, it's the challenges is right

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now. As you know, Bob
uh he is the commander in chief and

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we're we're as close to World War
three as we've ever been in our lifetime.

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Well, uh, let's move.
I thought this was a happy hour.

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It is. I'm sorry, I
didn't mean that Okay, it is.

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It is a happy hour. But
we just we we got we went

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down that road. So forgive me
if that uh, that question, I'll

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take that question back. Uh with
clumb issues. Okay, well, uh,

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let's let's talk about you know,
in the next chapter, you address

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the sidewalks of Chicago. Yes,
well that's where I'm from Chicago. I'm

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embarrassed to say it is with those
they're mayoral candidates, but I am from

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Chicago, and I think Chicago has
a wonderful record of of setting people up

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to be knocked down. So I
think the present mayor is a good guy

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to knockdown. Well, you know, once again, I mean you look

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at it, you know, through
your journalistic eye to say, okay,

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what is it that you can you
can point out in fulfilling your objective as

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a journalist in in you know,
speaking uh you know, speaking to power

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and holding power accountable. Right,
Well, I like to think we do.

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Certainly we held Bill Clinton to task. In fact, in fact,

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Hillary Clinton when she ran for office, I thought we did a pretty good

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job of messing her up. And
Tom Wolfe said she would have been elected

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president if it hadn't been for the
American Spectator, and I think that's true.

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Well, well let's talk about you
know, you founded and of course

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have been the publisher of American Spectator
as you're writing the book. I mean

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this was an outgrowth of what you
were doing in college, right, Yes,

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but I really never got involved until
after this encounter with Bob Kennedy on

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stage. That's when my career took
off. Yeah. It was amazing that.

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I mean here it is in that
era. You know, we think

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back what was going on, you
know, with with Vietnam. We we

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had uh you know, universities and
an uproar you know, the Kent shooting,

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uh, you know, on and
on, and I mean this this

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was an era of uh, you
know, assassinations that the country was going

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through. So uh you know there
you are uh so quite uh quite the

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contrast from backstage by yourself behind Bobby
Kennedy and then your career takes off like

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a rocket. Huh. Yes,
it took off like a rocket. Uh.

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And I've had a lot of fun
ever since. Uh there's never been

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a dull moment that the American Spectator. Well, and when you when you

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founded the Spectator, you know,
as you laid it out and cast your

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vision for those that joined the team. What did you tell them that what

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you wanted to accomplish with the American
Spectator. Well, I wanted our writer

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to come in and be themselves.
They were all interesting. They are all

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interesting writers, and then they bring
a different slant to every issue, and

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I'm delighted to have them say just
what they think. Do you think the

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writers that today are of the same
caliber as they were when you started?

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No, I don't think so they
are. We had a lively collection of

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writers early on. We had Milton
Friedman, we had Paul Johnson, we

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had Malcolm Muggeridge. We had a
very interesting collection of writers. And they're

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not going to be duplicated, I
can tell you that. Well, Fortunately,

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we have their writings right in archive
and we can go back and revisit

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them and enjoy their creative genius.
And maybe for journalism schools going forward,

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maybe they can could reconnect with some
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and rise to a whole new level
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Yeah, we'll wait and see.
I'm dying to see what the younger generation

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comes up with, how they can
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their mouths or whatever they're doing.
They're hard to figure. It's hard to

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figure the younger generation out. Well, it's been tough on them for a

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little bit here, Bob. I
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be, uh, universities you could
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full gamut and you could have open
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good laugh. You know. Now
the universities have gone through that period of

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time where you know, comedians are
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a combat zone. And maybe this
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what we'll define the future for them, because there's nothing like experience to help

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define, you know, what you
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are you suggesting that the young people
today have experience? Well, you can't

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help but live life and have experience. I mean it may not be something

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that you you might endear, but
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preference, you know, based on
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uh, you know, do you
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you sit through a a comedian's concert
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laugh, you know, you know, because as as the Bible would say,

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is uh, you know, laughter
is good medicine, and I think

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we need more medicine. Well I'm
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in that period of time, I
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you had a very hearty and and
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on our conver stationary I can tell
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And it must have been a lot
of fun to work with you. Well,

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I hope it was. I hope
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I'm having a good time. I'll
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strength of my book Memoirs is things
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Ronald Reagan was a close personal friend
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the finest president we had in the
post war period. And he had three

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or four things he wanted to do, but one of the most important things

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for him to do was he wanted
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me in to help him with the
changing of the culture. And we worked

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on that for oh Post for eight
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got nowhere because Ronald Reagan had important
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primarily to end the Cold War war
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culture, which is essential. Culture
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hard to change it. And I
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hard, and we couldn't get anywhere
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not always loyal to Ronald Reagan.
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He paid me back at the end
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house for dinner. Oh. I
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of Frederick the Great. I am
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introduced to president and to the music
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my great achievements, one of many. But wow, how wonderful to be

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able to do that. So so
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very eager to receive the music of
Frederick the Great. Yes, but it

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did take him to two screwdrivers to
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know, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I you know,

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I see I see that as a
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talk about changing the culture, and
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wasn't able to do it then,
But here we are, all these years

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later and all that we've experienced.
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a sense. What you're saying is
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downstream culture, but for some reason
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a bit of a shift that you've
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more than the other way around.
You see it that way, Yes,

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well, they try and we call
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Spectator. It's a culture that's completely
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see if he couldn't affect politics from
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And it's the only thing that he
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Well. It's an ambitious job because
you're talking how do you get into

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the hearts of men? Right,
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at that point when you're talking about
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but Roosevelt did it in the thirties, Kennedy did it in the sixties.

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In the early sixties. Ronald Reagan
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more than he had did. But
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presidents to deal with right right handful
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that he had necessarily a pro supportive
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between Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump in
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that's one of the things I talk
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Donald should have taken a lesson from
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back. He should have soared over
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years. And he did. He
fell for it, and he kept punching

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back and punching back, and it's
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standing in history? Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's unfortunate. Uh.

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And you know with with comments that
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think, why are you picking that
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like with John McCain, Uh,
the guy's gone. Why why why

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bring that up? I mean,
what have you got to gain on?

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It is your desire to be so
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Well, it's it's it's a mystery
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mixed two of us, How it
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about a P. O. W. And I knew John mcaine and he

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was a wonderful patriot and a brave
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Well, and like you said,
these these battles that were so unnecessary,

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Uh, what was it? Like
I mean, in going in after after

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Reagan? Of course we have George
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his administration. What what what did
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felt George George H. W.
Bush was a terrific gentleman, a great,

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great patriot and a great gentleman.
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dinner with him or lunch with him
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just before he announced that he was
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him, I said, don't raise
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The Democrats are just going to spend
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just spend all that money all much
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he he didn't take my advice,
and he left office unceremoniously exactly. Well,

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and you talk about political bankruptcy self
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And and it was too bad because
you know, look at what happened when

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he left, and you know,
he was doing some positive things, and

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he put a country into the hands
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you know. Uh, and I
think I think that was a very positive

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handoff, you know, to Bill
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policies in which George H. W. Had put into play right well,

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Unranald Reagan too, Yes, exactly, they had done a good job and

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Clinton Clinton got anything that he could
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Monica Lewinsky. Uh. And and
and the sexual scandals in general. I

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mean in the book, I talk
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and one of the scandals that he
courted was drugs. It's never been brought

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out how Bill Clinton fooled around with
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brother was caught doing it too.
Uh. And Bill has survived. But

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he took he took a lighthearted of
drugs is the way he took a lighthearted

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view of much of his presidency,
you know. And that's amazing because it

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was something that he had ambition for. He wanted to be a great president

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and he's given this gift and to
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being in power. Uh, and
obviously there was something you know,

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missing that would make him vulnerable to
an intern. Yeah. Well he was

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vulnerable to dozens of interns and others
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menagerie to deal with he that's another
story about Bill Clinton. He had much

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more than one or two or three
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we talked very lightly about JFK and
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all these years later you hear more
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you know the secret rendezvous you know, through uh, through back doors there

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at the White House and that uh
and I think that don't forget the swimming

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pool exactly. Oh my goodness.
I mean, you know, how do

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you how do you tell your grandkids
about this? Bob? I'm not talking

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to my grandkids about this. About
the as I represent the four years,

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the Clinton eight years. I represented
it as a huge black hole. We

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don't discuss it at the Tyrrot household. Okay, so it doesn't it doesn't

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come up during Thanksgiving dinner or anything
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things that the children are not to
talk about Okay, I understand. So

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here you've got the transference of power
from Bill Clinton and we get the controversy

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of the two thousand election Al Gore
hanging chads and George George W. Bush

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is elected president. Talk about that? What about I lost you with the

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hanging chads. Remember the controversy in
the count, the voter count they had

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here in Florida. I'm in Florida, so hanging chads is still pretty much

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part of the DNA of the state
here. You know, when you talk

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about not wanting to talk about the
black hole of the Clinton administration, sometimes

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people they get a little all of
a sudden, they get Tourette's or something

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when they hear hanging chads here in
Florida. But remember they were checking.

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They had all these uh vote counting
officials looking over ballots and seeing if the

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if, if the chad, if
the part of the ballot had been broken

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clearly, And you had all this
hanging chad controversy in trying to come up

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with a proper count to figure out
who won Florida, and whoever won Florida

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was going to be the president of
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it was that George W. W
was elected fair and square. Yeah,

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it was definitely justice Biden was elected
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Now, what what do you Well, I don't want to go down the

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controversy with you on that. I'll
try, I'll try and stay out of

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that dark hole. Uh. But
still there are many people that still question

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and and I don't know if uh
there could ever be you know, a

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final say on on the elect You
know, we investigated January sixth, but

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for some reason we didn't want to
investigate what caused January sixth. Yes,

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well I don't I don't think much
about that. What should I be thinking

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about? Well, no, I
mean that that's the fine. I mean,

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we're just you know, we're talking
about your experience and as you've gone

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through through life and been able to
be in the middle of all these political

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waters. Let's go ahead and talk
a little bit about you know, George

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W. What what did you appreciate
most about his presidency? Well? I

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tried to appreciate it as us to
the military, and he used a military

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quite wisely. I thought he was
a good president. I wasn't a great

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president, but I thought he was
good. It wasn't as good as his

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father. As a matter of fact, he represented another step down from the

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high quality of George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush,

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the high quality of Ronald Reagan.
He represented a step down. And of

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course now we have a terrific decline
in the presidency. We'll be lucky if

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we can get out of this mess. Well, hence the book, how

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do we get out of here?
Maybe somebody might go back to the first

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chapter again. But you know,
like all things that happened in history,

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thank god, they don't stay there, do they, Bob. I mean,

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they move on. And you know, as others have said before,

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you know, when you think of
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and you know, forty million people, it gives me a lot of hope

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and faith that you know. You
know, America has gone through some really

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tough times through its history, and
every time we go through a tough time,

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we say, oh, this is
the worst, this is the worst.

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But you know, you've gone through
it. You know, you're decades

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of experience here, and you've seen
the country rebound time and again, have

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you not, Yes, And I
think it will rebound again. I'm hopeful.

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Yeah. Well, I'm I'm I'm
right. I'm right with you.

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You say you liked what George W. Bush did with the military. I

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thought it was a tough situation.
I mean, because here it was.

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You know, he came into this
presence, presidency, and I think like

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most president's not like anybody comes in
and says, well, I'm going to

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be a wartime president. It just
happens to you, doesn't it. Yes,

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And do you remember Bill Clinton?
He was so upset that George got

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to be a wartime president, and
he had wanted to be a wartime president,

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which is about the last thing that
a draft died or whatever you imagine

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exactly. Yeah, well, actually
he was a wartime president, but it

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was it was in the White House
with somebody that was near and dear to

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him. He experienced war, but
not the kind of war that I think

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he hoped for it. Just as
a sidebar, Yeah, he was.

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He was my favorite. He was
not my favorite president. Actually, I

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think that my favorite president is the
president president. I mean, he might

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yet find himself in deep dodo for
his son's liabilities. So I'm keeping my

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eye on Biden right now. Yeah, yeah, I know, when they

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were first talking about twenty million dollars
of corruption. I just couldn't imagine,

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Bob. I don't know about you, but I mean we understand as best

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we can unless you've been in that
position with that kind of power influence,

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and you know, it really speaks
of, you know, kind of the

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traditions and the paradigm that's established there
in the Beltway that would accommodate you know,

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these kind of shenanigans, you know, the things that cause taxpayers to

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go, wait a minute, how
come Nancy Pelosi got so wealthy, you

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know, as a as a congresswoman. How do you know some of these

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officials, elected officials on one hundred
and seventy thousand dollars a year ten years

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later are multi millionaires. A better
example is Biden. Actually, yes,

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you never had any other job but
at the public trough in his life,

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and he's certainly a multi millionaire today. Well we're talking. We're talking with

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our Emma Tyrrell. We call him
Bob and his new book, how do

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we Get out of here? Half
a entry of laughter and mayhem of the

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American spectator from Bobby Kennedy to Donald
d Age Trull. And I like the

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idea that the subtitle is Mayhem because
again, it maintains a balance. And

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I think that you know, this
is where you know, in revisiting what

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our culture has gone through, is
that maybe we've just taken it too seriously.

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You think, no, I don't
think it can take ever take a

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politician too seriously. They're the my
view, a lot of these politicians are

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the enemies of a free people,
and they've got to be watched very attentively.

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Exactly well. Our our founding father's
warned us of that, and they

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gave us a document that if we
follow it, it produces pretty good outcome,

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doesn't it. I think it does. It's amazing to sit back and

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look at the Constitution, how it's
held up over the years. It's amazing

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document. Well, and then you
have these forces that are doing everything they

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can. You know, Barack Obama
spoke very directly and said that, oh,

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the Constitution is elastic, you know, so it's it's a living and

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breathing document. And I think that
that brain bruised some people, especially conservatives,

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when they first heard that. What
did you think, Well, I

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think that he's the president who leaves
no shadow, and I think that I've

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sent writers out to investigate why does
it Why is it that Barack Obama has

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never been photographed with a shadow behind
him? And you might want to look

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into that too. Yeah, that's
interesting. I hadn't thought about that.

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Yeah, yeah, so what did
you What have you come up with why

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there's no shadow behind him? They
keep looking and searching, They keep coming

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back to the office, and I
said, no shadow. I said,

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keep looking, keep looking. Unbelievable. What special lights in his back or

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something that keeps it, keeps his
shadow away or something. I don't know.

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That's that's interesting. You know you're
gonna that's gonna keep me up at

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night. Thank you very much.
I'm gonna be thinking about that along with

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our audience. They can say,
oh, thanks Bill, you know,

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for having Bob on the show.
Now I'm looking for Barack Obama's shadow.

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We could set a whole task for
us. Hey, We'll just Hey,

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we will conscript uh citizen journalists all
over all over the country to look for

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Barack obama shadow. In fact,
that will be your next book, In

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Search of Barack Obama's Shadow. What
do you think? I'm happy with the

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President book I've just finished. Frankly, it tired me out. Yeah,

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yeah, I know for for people
who have done this, you know,

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they have written books. I think
I've got three or four outlined myself.

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And it is it is quite it
is quite wearing, and I'm impressed with

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people. In fact, I was
just talking with somebody else they've written sixty

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books about how do you do that? I mean, you're just spitting them

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out like biscuits. I guess they
just get get into that kind of routine.

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But you know, I think the
last guy spoke, but it was

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an eight year project. That's a
long time to be writing a book.

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Well, my Present Memoirs took five
years and that was pretty long time too.

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Yeah. Well, like I said
the opening, it's like five years

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plus a lifetime obviously, because you've
got a lifetime, lifetime of memories here.

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You know, in terms of in
terms of fun, you know,

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during during history, what was the
most fun time for you, Bob,

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Well, the most fun time was
the Clinton years. The most important time

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was the Reagan years. Ronald Reagan
and I knew his other people. We

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really tried to do something. And
Ronald Reagan was the greatest president in the

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Poshwar period and he did a lot. The only one thing I wish he

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had done a little better was affecting
the culture. Done that, he would

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have been the perfect president. Well
he you know, you had this sense

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in his with his leadership that he
really cared about the people he identified.

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He connected with the people in a
very unique way. I mean it wasn't

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you know Bill Clinton. Where Bill
Clinton had his charm and you know,

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kind of his influence and style about
him. You knew it was a bit

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of showtime with Clinton, at least
I did in my observation. But with

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Reagan, it seemed very sincere and
very heartfelt. Well, you're right,

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he was. He was, and
he was a very sincere man. Uh,

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and we trusted his word. Uh
and uh, he brought us a

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long way. I wish we were
president today. Amen. Yeah, I'm

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with you. Uh, you know, getting back, I want to revisit

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Donald Trump. We've got a couple
of minutes left here, Bob, and

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I'm so thankful for your time and
again your book. How do we how

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do we get out of here?
Uh? This is quite entertaining, you

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know, especially for those of us
that uh, you know, lived during

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the same period of time and to
and to get your perspective Uh, as

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you say this will there there's moments, yes, that are uh, that

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are poignant, that will stop you. But there's also those moments that will

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uh you know, put a smile
on your face and and cause cause you

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to laugh. And I think you
know, at the end of the day,

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uh, with any any project or
anything you produce, whether it happens

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to be at the American spectator.
Like my old mentor used to say to

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me that our goal when when I
was on the on the air behind the

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microphone in Los Angeles, California,
he said, your number one job is

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to elicit a positive emotional response with
your audience. And you know, certainly

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your book is doing that. It's
done that for me. I know it'll

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do that for our audience when they
read it as well. The Donald Trump

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you knew, what what what would
you want to communicate to our audience about

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Donald Trump that you know isn't necessarily
formed by the ninety five percent of negative

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negative media characterization and reporting on this
president. Well, I asked them to

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say, the American people to take
a look at the first two or three

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years in office. They were they
were unmatched. He was he was as

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good as he said he was.
However, he got entangled and all is

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is backbiting and fighting and all of
this, and that's probably ruined his chances

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of reelection. Well, it's a
tough situation. I think that, you

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know, again, he didn't know
the field of play as smart as he

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is. And I got to tell
you personally, I thought, when you

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know, Ross Perot came on the
scene, I thought, you know,

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to see a true chief executive officer
come in into the political sphere, that

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there were some advantages there. And
and Donald Trump, in a way for

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me, helped me appreciate and confirm
the idea that we really need somebody in

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that position who truly is a chief
executive officer. And I think this is

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part of the brilliance that he brought
to the office. Unfortunately, when you

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come into a bureaucracy that's so well
established. And also, let's not forget

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what Barack Obama had done in terms
of converting I think it was about four

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thousand of his uh you know,
of his of his people and he and

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he transferred them into the bureaucracy in
a sense, kind of setting them up

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as moles within the next administration.
Because Donald Trump, he didn't know it,

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but he was going to have to
deal with them, like you You

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had made reference before about you know
somebody uh torpedioing, Uh, you know,

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a president's efforts. Well, yeah, but who which president are we

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talking about? Now? I've gotten
confused. Oh I'm sorry. I was

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just making reference to to Donald Trump
that he had to, you know,

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deal with you know, the bureaucrats
that you know that Barack Obama had set

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up in motion and that you know, I think it's hard. I mean,

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you got what a hundred days or
so when you take over and you're

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an outsider and you don't know who
these people are. And uh so I

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think that Donald Trump really had his
handsful. But as a chief executive officer,

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to your point, he was able
to accomplish things that you know,

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we thought were possible and we started
to realize that and benefit from it for

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three years until the pandemic came.
Yes, he had the makings of being

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a great president. I just think
he screwed things up toward the end.

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Well, so what's next, Bob, I think we're gonna have to watch

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the Middle East. That's going to
be a very dangerous situation for years to

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come. Well, it's it's been
there and we're coming down to it.

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It is. It has put in
a situation where we're closer to World War

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three than we've ever been in our
lifetime. You're exactly right, and that

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everything has gone global. I mean, whether you're talking about an airport in

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Russia, whether you're talking about you
know, any just about every country in

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Europe, what's happening in the United
States or universities, and that it's it's

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quite revealing to to see the reaction
on the streets here, particularly in America.

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Well, thank god for the Israelis. They're kicking the Hamas's rear ends

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and it may end faster than we
think, but I right now, I

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think it's going to be a long
haul. Well but for this country,

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Bob, I'm gonna let you summarize
and wrap things up here in terms of

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what's next, uh, you know, post Joe Biden. Well, first

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of all, we're gonna have to
get a Republican elected, and I think

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we can do so. I don't
think we're gonna I think we've seen the

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end of the Biden administration. Just
about coming up in front of us.

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I will have to see and if
there's poisonous atmosphere continues. We're going to

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have to see what we can do
about it. But I think that that

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we'll win them in the next election, and I think we'll have a chance

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then of fuelmigating the White House right
well, and maybe maybe we can encourage

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the Republicans Conservatives to get on the
same page. What do you think,

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Well, they've got a big problem
there. That's as I said in the

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book. They have they have.
They were, they dealt with each other

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in a friendly way. They formed
a movement that really worked, and then

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it broke down when they gave up
on cooperate cooperation with each other. I

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don't know if that can ever be
the administration, well, the administration of

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Well, let me put it this
way. We've got a long way to

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go before we can say that we've
really we were reborn the uh, the

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converting the conservative movement, and that's
what we need. We need the conservative

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movement and it's not there. But
there's some positive pieces though, Bob,

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that I'm hearing you speak of in
your book and what we've talked about this

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afternoon. Uh, it's it's getting
some leadership that can glue and connect these

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dots and remind people of what the
vision of conservatism is all about, and

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champion the cause once again. Bob
Terrrell, I cannot thank you enough.

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You've been very gracious to me and
to our audience to come on and talk

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about your book How Do We Get
out of Here? Half a century of

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laughter and mayhem at the American Spectator
from Bobby Kennedy to Johnald J. Trump.

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Bob again, thank you so much
for being with us. Take care,

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thank you. I enjoyed it all
right. Our thanks to our Emmitt

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Tyrrell Jr. And we call him
Bob and his book How Do We Get

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out of Here? Good fun and
a great walk through history. You're gonna

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enjoy going through this. This is
this is a lot of fun. So

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hopefully you've been blessed. Thank you
so much for being with us and sharing

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a part of your day. For
more info and how to be a part

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of this mighty movement to return to
God. That's really what this is all

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about. I mean, if we're
gonna get this country back on track,

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we need to go back to the
one who started it all, who gave

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us the idea of this great American
idea and blessed us with it we must

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return to God. May God bless
you and keep you, may make his

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face shine upon you, May be
gracious unto you and give you his peace.

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Thank you so much for being with
us. Take care at the book cott