Green Breakdown: The Coming Renewable Energy Failure

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W FOURCY Radio. Well, welcome
to the show, Bill Martinez here.

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Great to have you with us,
sharing a part of your day. I

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don't know about you, but this
whole climate change discussion, it's kind of

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a debate for those that believe in
climate change. It's inarguable it's a fact,

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they say, which isn't even a
scientific term, by the way.

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But nonetheless, I believe it's something
that we need to we need to talk

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about this. We just cannot accept
somebody just thrusting this theory upon It's a

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theory, Okay, basically it's still
a theory. And meanwhile, we've spent

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something like, I know, six
trillion dollars plus six trillion dollars of the

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people's money we've spent on, you
know, battling climate change. I kind

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of feel like Don Quixote chasing windmills, just a bit heer, because there's

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some things that just don't seem to
match up. I don't know, call

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me stupid. I went to school
and I actually paid attention to the classroom.

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I took notes, And what they
want to tell us doesn't square up

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because I've been told at least I
was taught that, you know, carbon

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dioxide was a good thing because that's
what the plants needed to breathe, because

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then they gave us what we needed, oxygen, so that we could live.

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It's kind of a circle of life. But suddenly, little did we

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know that that was a problem.
So what are we looking forward to?

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Are we looking forward to? You
know, all the plants and trees dying

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in the universe, all in search
of managing the climate, as if God

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didn't know what he was doing when
he constructed everything. But you know,

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we've got these brilliant sciences today in
the twenty first century that somehow know better,

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no better than God. Well,
Steve Gorham is going to be joining

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us just a moment. He's got
a new book called Green Breakdown. He's

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a speaker, author, and researcher
on environmental issues, energy and public policy,

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and he warns of the coming renewable
energy failure. Now, if you

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think wind solar batteries can replace the
hydrocarbon fuels that power our modern industrialized society,

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then you need to pay attention here, okay, because he'll break it

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all down. Green Breakdown shows why
the net zero agenda forced transition to renewable

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energy is not only costly, it's
dangerous and destined for failure. Using science.

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Oh yeah, that's science thing sometimes, you know, the inconvenient truth

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of it all economics and in depth
analysis. Steve exposes the weaknesses in the

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planned green energy transition and predicts a
coming renewable energy failure. Welcome Steve Gorham.

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Good to have you with us.
Well we're a little bit there we

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go. We just had to get
the mouse moving and there he's shazam.

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He appears. Well, Steve,
welcome, welcome the show, by the

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way, right, Well, thank
you, so, uh Steve, help

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us out here, because you know, we've got two narratives and they seem

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to be in conflict and uh,
you know, in in the science community,

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generally we welcome a robust conversation because
you know, in the past we

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found that we've been able to arrive
at an intelligent conclusion. But right now

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it seems like half of the people
participating in this discussion they want to ignore

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and cancel all together. Steve is
having technical difficulties. Okay, I get

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it running us again. Okay,
So he's got mouse problems. If something

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about that mouse, it has to
be moved. If it's not moved,

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it hangs up on us a little
bit here. So let's see, Steve,

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are you there yet? Well,
he'll I guess he'll pop up when

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he's ready to pop up. But
you know, lots of questions to ask

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of Steve here, questions that you
have in your mind is to in terms

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of, you know, you know, climate change, is it real,

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is it perceived? What what is
it? And where where is the disconnect

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taking place to where we can't have
a reasonable conversation Because I can tell you

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as a kid growing up, I
grew up in California, and you know

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it was the smog would be so
bad even though I grew up on the

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coast. So where we really got
bad is when we had to go,

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you know, toward Los Angeles.
As we got towards Los Angeles, I

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was on a traveling baseball with American
Legion, and we would go and the

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environment was so bad. The smog
was so bad that we would get what

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they called smog cough. And the
only way that we could begin to even

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manage it was we had to you
know, we had to bring oxygen tanks.

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Believe it or not, we had
oxygen tanks in the dugout in order

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to play a pick and baseball game. That's how bad it was. But

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you know, the thing is is
that you know, the environmentalists, energy

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oil refineries came together and they found
a solution by working together. And yes,

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I mean California pays a little bit
more for gas, but I'll guarantee

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you they're happy to pay a little
bit more right now. It's a little

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it's a lot more, and it's
crazy. That's a whole nother problem.

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But as far as solving the problem
in handling the environment, I give them

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kudos and say, hey, you
did a great job. We didn't have

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to bring oxygen tanks into the dugout
anymore, and we're able to play.

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But this is this is when industry
and environmentalism can you know, can come

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together here and you know, make
things happen. Here we go, we

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got Steve back on with it.
Steve, Okay, I'm very sorry.

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I don't know what happened. Well, we're on now, so we're going

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to make the most of it.
So let's not let's not move, let's

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not move anything. Let's go.
Okay, So Steve right off the bat,

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help us understand where we are in
this discussion, you know, with

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climate and carbon So as you say, people talk about the climate and the

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use of phrases like climate change is
real. But I've never met a person

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who doesn't think the climate changes.
I mean, everybody knows that the real

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question is what causes the change in
Earth's temperatures, what causes the change in

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the warm times and the cool times? And overwhelmingly the evidence of Pierce be

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natural factors, not man made emissions. And so that's that's where the rub

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is. And as you say,
the world is spending about a trillion dollars

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a year on renewables to try and
get to something called net zero by twenty

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fifty. Net zero is the idea
that we need to eliminate carbon dioxide emissions

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from all of our processes, and
we do that from everything our transportation,

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our home heating, our heavy industry, our utilities. Each person exhausts about

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two pounds of carbon dioxide every day. So the well, by the way,

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I should say this is the wealthy
nations of the world, United States,

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Europe, Canada, Australia, New
Zealand and a few others are pushing

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towards this net zero thing, and
whatever we cannot reduce, they want to

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capture, so called carbon dioxide capture
and storage. But this is beyond a

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reach out. This is more.
This is worse than a open a prayer.

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We are never going to get to
that zero by twenty fifty. Everything

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we do is based on hydrocarbons,
wind, solar and electric vehicles can't make

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up for that. And so this
is all going to come down to a

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crashing failure. And meanwhile, as
we go through this, as we've been

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going through it already for a couple
of decades, Steve, how much pain

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down the road as we get closer
to twenty fifty are humanoid is going to

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have to endure with this? You
know? With this program? Yeah,

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we're gonna we have to endure a
lot. We just we just Europe just

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had what I call the first transnational
energy crisis based on green energy over the

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last two years. And they've had
they they have natural gas prices that are

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four times the price in the United
States. Their electricity rates are three or

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four times as high. They have
they have now established temperatures and buildings can

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only lower your temperature so much in
the summer and raise it so much in

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the winter. In England they're talking
about don't bait so much to save energy

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or shower with a friend, which
which sounds amusing. But their energy bills

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in the winter are two or three
thousand dollars each winter for a residence,

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very very high. So these are
not simple things. In the US,

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we've had blackouts and we're rising electricity
prices and this is going to have a

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big impact on society. As you
say, well, the fact of the

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matter is is coal is cheap and
it is what drives the world. And

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the biggest offenders you could say,
of the environment would be just right off

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the top of my head, you
know, China and India, and they

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don't seem very interested in complying with
I mean, they'll they'll sign a Paris

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Accord agreement with their fingers crossed,
but they have no intention because they're still

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trying to you know, they're trying
to industrialize themselves, and they realize that

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coal is key to this. And
meanwhile, you know, they're almost laughing.

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I got to imagine they're laughing in
the back rooms, going, what

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a bunch of idiots, you know, chasing these windmills. We'll just say,

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you know, we'll we'll support their
idiocy and let them go. But

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meanwhile, you know, we're going
to move forward with coal. Well you're

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right, there are. Both China
and India get more than sixty percent of

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fifty sixty percent of electricity with coal, and we have we have a situation

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today where seven hundred million people in
the world do not have access to electricity

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and another two billion people have daily
blackouts of their power. And so we

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need low cost energy for the rest
of the world. By the way,

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if you live in the world's people, so we really need to find a

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way to solve real pollution problem.
It's not carbon dioxide. And we still

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need to rely on coal and natural
gas and nuclear for much of our power.

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Those are the sensible alternatives, Steve, Let's just say, okay,

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let's go down this pipe dream of
net zero, even if you get down

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to twenty fifty, you know,
I mean, this is kind of the

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impossible dream because carbon is so much
a part of the planet. How do

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you how do you negate it totally? I think it's a fools there.

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And if I'm understanding this correctly,
am I off here? Well, just

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for some numbers and transportation today,
ninety one percent of the world's transportation is

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fueled by fuel from petroleum, primarily
a natural gas and gasoline. There's another

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three percent that comes from from natural
gas. We get about three percent from

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biofuels and about one percent from electric
So we're talking ninety four or ninety five

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percent from hydrocarbons today. If you
look at electricity worldwide, it's roughly sixty

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percent of the world uses electricity from
hydrocarbons. If you look at our airlines,

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ninety nine percent from petroleum fuels,
shipping ninety nine percent from petroleum fuels.

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Our heavy industry, steel, fertilizer, plastics, cement, concrete use

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huge amounts of hydrocarbons and huge amounts
of natural gas and there are no replacements

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for these in the short term,
and so net zero is bound to fail,

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and an extent that we push it, we're going to have some big

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problems with costs and impacting our citizens
even more than we're already experiencing, right,

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I mean, because we're already investing. Like I said, we put

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in six trillion dollars and and I
don't see the ro O I in it.

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But I guess the power is to
be ROI is irrelevant because those who

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are capturing those funds, uh,
you know, at a different pay rate

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and level that you and I are
on. They're they're fine, They're fat

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and happy, and they just keep
pushing you know, this this theory and

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and scaring people along the way.
Because I mean, to me, the

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first thing that comes to mind when
when somebody has to scare you into a

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decision, it that sends up serious
warning flags for me. Steve, You're

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you're right that that's a very sad
thing. We have many government leaders,

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the United Nations, the International Energy
Agency that raise the specter of man made

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warming to get certain policies approved,
and it is a scare campaign. Uh

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So that's a problem. But you're
also right there is no There is no

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end result with all of this.
Pursuing measures to reduce global warming is sort

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of like building a hospital and never
serving a patient a patient, or raising

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an army and never taking a hill. Nobody ever talks about how much temperatures

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are going to be reduced, or
how much variations and droughts and floods are

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going to be reduced, or how
many more polar bears we're going to have

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if we do all this stuff.
They just say, well, you got

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to reduce carbon diox emissions. We
all know that's true. But again,

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there is no end result, as
you say, and it's probably when you

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break down the greenhouse effect and all
the measures of trying to control greenhouse gases,

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it's very unlikely we're going to have
even though we're spending at trillion dollars

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a year, very unlikely that we're
going to have any measurable difference in global

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temperatures. Well, I want to
bring up this one slide about hurricanes in

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the twentieth century. Somebody would think
that, you know, human CO two

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emissions is causing hurricanes to become more
frequent and stronger, as the headlines would

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suggest, address that if you would
Steve. Yeah, we just had Hurricane

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Dalia about a month and a half
ago come across the Panhandle of Florida,

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was a strong storm, category three, and all the headlines from USA Today

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and CNN and NPR and others were
talking about how this was caused by our

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carbon dioxide emissions and that storms are
getting stronger, but if you look at

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the actual data, that is not
the case. We've had about three hundred

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hurricanes make landfall in the United States
since eighteen fifty and about a third of

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those our category three, four or
five. And then we've had twelve years

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when we've had multiple strong hurricanes,
the Lion Poles hurricanes, and data from

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Noah we get about two hurricanes the
coming shore, but that used to be

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about two point one a year now
it's about one point nine and any any

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cases to the client. So so
the data doesn't support that that sort of

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sort of fear. Well, and
how how are they able to get away

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with this kind of full information.
I mean, they lose credibility, whether

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we're talking about healthcare other things where
these scientists come up with these things that

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you know, at the end of
the day, I think are quite manipulative.

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As opposed to intellectual so that we
have an understanding that as much as

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would count on us. I mean, nobody wants to sit there and blow

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up the environment. You know,
we want to be good stewards of it.

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But you know, let's deal with
the reality of it as opposed to

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you know, some sort of control
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natural inclination of the media to take
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we had we had a scientist come
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that was the warmest month in one
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was it was trumpeted all over the
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warmest month one hundred eighty thousand years. It was flat out wrong. I

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mean, there's there's oceans of data
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particularly warm. But this guy came
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with it. There's another guy and
what was what was it Steve? What

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was his credibility? On what basis
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much, you know, acceptance by
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he said the right thing. It
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it. I think that's part of
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know, it grabs headlines and people
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a little bit of temperatures. So
we're in a moderate warm period right now,

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but temperatures haven't warmed very much in
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They're up one degree celsius about two
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years. That's about the temperature change
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am. But if you look back
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a thousand years ago when the Vikings
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in southwest Greenland at that time.
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grasses. It was warmer a thousand
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years ago when the Romans conquered the
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that time they were growing olives and
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not historically warm. We have had
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ten thousand years. What it was
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there's a one piece of evidence in
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Switzerland. Yours have been there,
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It's a big glacier. It goes
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Rhone River is sourced there, flows
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But that glacier's been receding for about
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warming under where the glacier pulls back
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and they find horse bridles, and
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old wood. A scientist by name
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of the last ten thousand years there
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was no glacier here because it was
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headlines saying the planet is boiling and
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as warm as we've had many times
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caps have receded a little bit in
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should say the North Pole ice has
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fifteen or twenty percent. The Antarctic
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about where it has been the last
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they've had satellite measurements about the end
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have been down a little bit.
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that it was they were bigger in
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called the Glacier Girl, which which
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flying to England. It was a
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was caught in a storm and had
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they couldn't find a plane, and
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the plane was buried under sixty seven
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had accumulated in forty years on this
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near the edges of Greenland, but
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again these are very small changes relative
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let's talk about you know, every
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go, you know, it's climate
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seems to me the perception of stronger
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of that, But again the data
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don't show that. In the United
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world's tornadoes and it gets another ten
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Mexico and some mountains that create these
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declining since the nineteen sixties and nineteen
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those days. SINUS also track all
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tropical storm on the surface of the
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the wind speeds of these storms,
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the number of tropical storms around the
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typically about I'm sorry, in any
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month period, there's about ninety of
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hurricanes, which are stronger, there's
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more tropical storms or more hurricanes.
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a measure of storm strength, because
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time, over time, more of
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speeds. But it isn't happening.
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that we're getting stronger storms. Again, you know, when you have empirical

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data like what you're showing, as
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not embarrassed by, you know,
by the data. Well, it is

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remarkable that they're not speaking out.
But there's a bias. There is a

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bias in the in the in the
scientific press. Just early September, a

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scimic science my name of pet New
York Post and the type as a scientist,

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I'm not a to tell the full
truth about climate change. And mister

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Brown went on to say you when
I'm to say that if he was going

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to get an article published in Nature
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conform to the narrative of dangerous climate
change. If he didn't put that in

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there, they would not accept this
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forest fires. And so that is
a situation we've got right now. There's

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no challenge to these wrong articles like
one hundred and eighty thousand years the warmest,

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and the articles that are going in
are biased. Very unfortunate. Yeah,

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it is unfortunate. It dumbs us
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you know, based on the wrong
information. We're supposed to be the consent

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of the government. Well, how
can you have proper informed consent if you

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have all this false narrative out there, And meanwhile you have a government that

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says, oh, you know,
we need to have a czar of disinformation

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when they are perpetrating it themselves and
they seem to be the greatest purveyors of

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it. I mean, even to
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just like what this one scientist is
saying, if he was relying on

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research money, for example, he
would have to comply if he doesn't comply,

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Well, you know the scientific community
that you know controls the government or

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dollars, which is US. I
mean, it's our money, taxpayers money.

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They're telling them. You know,
you better comport to this narrative.

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If you don't, you're not going
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you're right. Money is a big
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lot of science, and a lot
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and other governments. In my second
book, The Mad, Mad Mad World

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of Climatism, I quoted a computer
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fifty million dollars to set up a
climate modeling team using a supercomputer, and

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about twenty million a year to run
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across the world. So you're talking
several billion dollars that is being paid to

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these computer modeling teams to give forecasts
on climate change. And oh, by

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the way, if one of those
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by natural factors, as you say, it's very likely that their funding would

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would dry up. Yeah, so
they find it, they'd find another team

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to replace that team real quick.
You better believe it. I do think

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people are sincere when they say they
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again the science and the evidence don't
support that. And you're right, money

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plays a big role. We also
have industries that have sprung up because of

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this, wind solar, biofuels.
We have deans of sustainability at every college,

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we have vice president sustainability at corporations, and the US government is spending

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vast amounts of money. The money
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was about up to fifteen billion a
year. It came down to about seven

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or eight billion under Trump, and
now it's back up to fifteen or seventeen

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billion a year under Biden. And
the Inflation Reduction Act is going to push

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that to forty to fifty billion dollars
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people for wind, solar and bio
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The amounts of money are just vasts
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the thing is is that everybody has
to take the pill and check in your

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intellect in order to go along with
this, because the only thing that's being

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sustained here is their income and their
way of living. And we the people

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are paying you for this false science
that I don't know, you know,

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a couple of generations up the road
when they look back and start looking and

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analyze what's going on with climate change
and go what were these people thinking?

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And you know, Steve, is
it too premature? I mean, we've

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been studying, you know, climate
change, and like I said, we've

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invested in excess of six trillion dollars
on this. Is it too premature to

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say that we should have some sort
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learned something, you know, concrete
other than you know this what you know

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seems to be a false narrative.
Yeah, it is really amazing. A

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few years ago they tried to set
up a red team and a Blue team,

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I think in the US government to
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That did not happen, though,
But we are we're just marching down.

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cool for a few decades here,

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very difficult to predict what's going to
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having We have been having warming since
about nineteen seventy five, but prior to

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nineteen seventy five, we had a
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seventy five, right, and when
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leaving college, a lot of people
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Yes, exactly. And we have
scientists now that say we're likely to go

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through some period of cooling, not
necessarily an ice age, but temperatures may

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stop rising for two or three decades. And if that does occur, it's

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going to be very, very difficult
to support the narrative that human emissions are

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causing all this warming. Do these
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just a step above a fortune teller. I mean, you know, it's

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I don't mean to be disrespectful to
Steve and say, it just seems to

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me, like, you know,
it's just like you get these people who

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have a scientific title and they hold
their finger up in the air and oh,

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yeah, it feels like cooling.
I mean, it just seems weird

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to me. Plausible theory, We
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absorbed by the surface of the Earth, and then the Earth gives off lower

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energy infrared radiation, which is invisible
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pass out into space. Almost all
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our atmosphere. Those gases then reradiate
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warm the surface of the Earth.
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overwhelming with the greenhouse effect is unnatural
effect. When I speak to audiences,

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I ask them the question what is
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answer carbon dioxide. Others will answer
methane. But the answer is water vapor.

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of Earth's greenhouse effect water vapor in
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the effect is mostly due to carbon
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caused by nature. That co two. The oceans have fifty times as much

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carbon dioxide as the atmosphere, and
the oceans are always releasing carbon dioxide and

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absorbing it. When plants die,
they release carbon dioxide. When they grow,

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they absorb it. But every day
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dioxide into the atmosphere as all of
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water vapor as the biggest greenhouse gas
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this natural CO two going up in
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one or two percent of verse greenhouse
effect, very very small. So that

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means if we eliminate, if we
eliminate all those emissions, we may not

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be able to see the difference in
global temperatures. Right, And that's the

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story that is never told in the
news articles and rarely discussed by scientists in

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the press. Or the next thing, if you follow their logic, you

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start eliminating human beings. Well,
there are some people who have advocated that.

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In my third book, Outside the
Green Box, Rethinking Sustainable Development,

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I talk about the four what I
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which are climate destruction, resource depletion, global pollution, and the fourth

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one is overpopulation. And it's quieted
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late twentieth century we had people like
Paul Erlik who basically said that hundreds of

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millions of people are going to die
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too big. But what happened global
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to be about four or five every
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on average. Now that's come down
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As societies get wealthier and we don't
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we have women entering the workforce and
these family sizes go down. Matter of

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fact, we have more than seventy
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it's a big problem in places like
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in Europe. So a lot of
these scares that get into place like overpopulation

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don't seem to bear out when we
go through time exactly. And there are

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you know, the eugenesis movement and
people who are well known to echo that

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sentiment that the earth cannot sustain I
mean, they were saying couldn't sustain two

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billion. We're now at eight billion
and projecting not too far down the road

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to be looking at ten twelve billion. I got to imagine their imaginations are

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exploding on them because they just cannot
understand the engineuity of humanity and how it

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steps up, because when you look
at some of the problems that we've had

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worldwide, especially when it comes to
food scarcity and stuff, so much of

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that happens to be controlled and manipulated
by outside political forces. Not necessarily that

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you know, the planet cannot sustain
it, it's usually interference by government.

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I mean, look at China right
now, the problem they're having with their

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population, which I think is a
huge issue Steve, where you've got so

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many men and not enough women.
I don't know if the Chinese are going

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to have to have some sort of
Sadie Hawkins event where they're sending their men

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out to capture women so they can
mate with them because there's not enough females

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in China well, and part of
that is the population the overpopulation fears.

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In the sixties and seventies, the
World Bank and the United States and others

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would not lend money to developing nations
of the world unless they showed how they

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were they had population control, and
we had people in many places in India

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they were rounding up young girls to
get them sterilized. China had an estimated

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three hundred million abortions and three hundred
million forced sterilizations the nineteen seventies, nineteen

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seventies through the nineteen nineties, and
you're right, now the population is falling.

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They have too many men. We
also had indigenal indigenous people in South

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America that were singled out, you
know, not the ruling classes, but

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the indigenous people for population control.
So very very sad history. But again,

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this is something that society does as
it goes through a natural evolution.

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They start having less children as they
get wealthier and when children live past their

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infancy. But nevertheless, you know, all the intellectual world leaders told everybody

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they aren't smart enough to control the
population. We have to force them to

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do this. And that's sort of
the same attitude today with with climate change.

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The elites of the world say that
we got to force everybody to drive

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electric vehicles, or to stop using
coal, stop using natural gas, those

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sorts of things, right, because
they've had a success record in their short

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history of life where they have done
this and they've been successful with it.

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Right, surely, not quite,
matter of fact, it's kind of it's

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kind of interesting too. The best
correlator of human prosperity is carbon dioxide emissions.

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We've had a big rise in carbon
dioxide since the World War Two.

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That's being admitted from our society.
But we've also had declining infant mortality,

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expanding lifespans, more people getting education, gross national product growth in all these

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in all these areas. So those
those hydrocarbon fuels really are great for society.

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Yeah, exactly. We're talking with
Steve Gorm's book rain Breakdown, The

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Coming Renewable Energy Failure. Steve,
some people would say that, well,

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you know, global temperatures they're at
an all time high. I mean,

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the headlines tell me that, you
know. And I find myself asking people

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sometime when they come up with statements
like that, I said, well,

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who told you that? Do you
know that for a fact. Yeah,

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that's really not correct either. Again, we've had a gentle warming about a

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degree celsius one hundred and forty years. But you look at the US,

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for example, and there's data right
in Noah. They call it. There's

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a State Extreme Database where they look
at the record hot temperature for states,

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the record cold temperature, rainfall,
all sorts of things. And when you

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look at that, you find some
interesting things. If you look at the

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fifty state high temperature records you find
that twenty three of those fifty, almost

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half, we're set in a decade
of the nineteen thirties. Real heads scratcher,

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Thirty six of the fifty records were
set prior to nineteen seventy and some

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particular cases California the record was in
nineteen thirteen, Minnesota nineteen seventy, May

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nineteen eleven. Most of the Midwest
was set in the thirties or the fifties,

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And so we got everybody going,
wow, we just had one hundred

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and five degrees, it's really terrible. But they don't know that the record

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for their state was one hundred and
eighteen and it was set sixty years ago.

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So these are the data is there
if people take a look and not

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read the headlines. But you know, if you read an article on climate

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today, the odds are that it's
probably wrong if you read it in the

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press. So we just need to
need to ask additional questions on all of

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this. Well, Steve, where
can we go? I mean, you

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know, for those that inquiring people
that really want to know, because you

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know, we've clearly pointed out that
you know, whether we're talking social media,

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anything that's affiliated with the current elite
class. It's sadly going to be

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disinformation because they are bought and sold, so to speak. Right there.

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You know, my position is a
bit of a minority report. The overwhelming

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part of society, more than fifty
percent anyway, is in fear of man

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made global warming. I would suggest
my four books, the first two on

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climate, the next one's on sustainability, the last one is on the renewable

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energy transition. In all of those
books, I have many many sources,

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either books you can read in bibliographies, or you can go to websites that

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are really very very good and we'll
give you the clear story. But again,

484
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we eventually the science and the economics
are going to win out here.

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We're going to get back to sensible
energy policy. People are going to demand

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a return to low cost, reliable
energy. Well yeah, I mean,

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think of where we are right now
with inflation. Some would say we're already

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in a recession. Some economists are
saying that we will realize it fully in

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twenty twenty four. It will be
inarguable, we'll see the goalposts seem to

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be moving on that. But you
know, the fact of the matter is

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is one of the greatest exacerbators of
inflation was when we surrendered our energy independence

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and Joe Biden killed Cole Well,
we're still we're actually still doing pretty well

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with energy independence. We are still
the leading producer of oil natural gas propane,

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which we shipped to asis so people
don't have to burn dung in their

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houses for cooking fuels. But wherever
we've put in these green policies, our

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prices are going out. California,
for example, in the last three years,

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passed up all of New England in
terms of electricity prices. They now

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have prices that are twice as much
as any Western state and their second be

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behind Hawaii. And electricity prices we
also have h we have wherever we put

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in wind, we have wind,
we have electricity prices rising faster than the

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national average. Those are places like
Iowa and Kansas, California, Minnesota.

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They put in all these wind turbines
and you've got to build transmission out to

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them, and they're intermittent, which
you've got to handle, and so you

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00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:30.639
have you have rising prices of electricity, and that's going to continue the more

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00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.280
that people want to put in intermittent
wind and solar. Well, Steve help

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00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.079
us reconcile what you just said.
Yeah, you know, because I've heard

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this before. The Biden administration says, hey, we're producing more. You

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00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.360
know, everything is really good in
the energy sector. But the question remains,

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why are we paying so much for
it? Then, yeah, we're

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paying more and more. I think
it's because of green policies. You know.

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Another thing is is blackouts that we
might when you build all these inner

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and win systems, you have trouble
keeping the lights on. Let me read

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a quote from a commissioner with a
federal energy Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, a

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00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.440
guy by the name of Mark Christi. He testified in front of the Senate

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00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.280
in June, and I'm quoting him. I think we're headed for very dire

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consequences, potentially catastrophic consequences in the
United States in terms of the reliability of

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our grid. And he basically said, we're retiring coal and that in some

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00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:37.000
cases natural gas too fast, and
so we're already seeing some of those blackouts.

519
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:44.559
We had one in Texas in February
of twenty twenty one. Electricity was

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off for seventy two hours to four
and a half million people, and estimates

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00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.239
are that up to seven hundred.
I'm sorry to seven hundred people died from

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00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:01.039
that blackout. We've also had blackouts
in Oklahoma and in California. Now,

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00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.440
see, this is the thing,
Steve that drives me nuts. You got

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00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:10.000
seven hundred people die because of these
policies, and who goes to jail?

525
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.360
Is anybody accountable for this? Well
they aren't really a matter of fact.

526
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:25.599
Erkott, who is the electricity regulatory
group for Texas, they had dozens of

527
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.280
insurance companies sue them for several tens
of billions of dollars because of this,

528
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.760
and it was struck down by the
courts. Urkott is protected apparently you can't

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sue them for this kind of thing. But they made some big mistakes.

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00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.280
They assumed electricity demand was going to
be a lot lower than it was.

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I've actually communicated with a board member
on Urkot and unfortunately it was a big

532
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.960
tragedy. But across the United States
now and data from the Energy Information Administration

533
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:59.880
in twenty twelve twenty thirteen, each
ratepayer had an average outage of the year

534
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.519
three hours. But now we're getting
an average outage in the US of seven

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or eight hours a year. So
the blackouts are rising. They've more than

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doubled in ten years, and they're
going to get worse and worse and worse

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00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.360
until people say, hey, enough
of these intermittent renewables. Exactly, Well,

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00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.039
you know there's a slide up there. If we can get this one

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00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.760
up about power prices increasing faster in
wind states. That doesn't seem like that

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00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.880
should be the case, right right, because you get all the headlines on

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how wind and solar are cheaper.
You're talking about a slide that I show

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when I present. I plot the
fourteen year percent price increase for the top

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00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:50.239
twelve wind states, and in eight
of those twelve states the prices have risen

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faster than the national average. National
average is up about twenty seven percent in

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the last fourteen years, but places
like Kansas, California, Minute Soda,

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00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.440
Nebraska, Washington all higher. And
the reason is, and you've got the

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00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.239
right chart there. The reason is
that you have to build transmission out to

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these remote wind sights, which is
expensive. And then you also you have

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to back up the systems for when
the wind doesn't blow, so you have

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00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:22.039
to keep most of the traditional coal, natural gas, and nuclear plants still

551
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operating ready to back up. So
the more we put into these wind and

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00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.599
solar, the more it's going to
cost people, and particularly low income people

553
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:36.840
who have a high percentage of their
income going to utilities. Well, Steve

554
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.360
Gouram, author of the book Green
Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure.

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00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.800
Steve, we've got about three minutes
left. I want to give you the

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00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:52.039
opportunity to again explain to our audience
this Green Breakdown, what you mean by

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this, and what we can anticipate. Let's just say in the next couple

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of years. Right, So it's
going to take more in a couple of

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years, I think, But the
wealthy nations of the world are driving toward

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zero by twenty fifty. That put
that means putting in a lot of wind

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and solar, and use biofuels and
transportation, try and use hydrogen for heavy

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00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.800
industry. This is this is beyond
a wish and a prayer. This is

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going to be impossible to do.
We're going to have four big impacts.

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First is higher energy prices, higher
electricity prices. Wherever we continue to push

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renewables, We're gonna have electricity blackouts. We're gonna have less freedom. We

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haven't talked about that much, but
that means, so they want to take

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away, take away your gas stove, take away your gasoline car, and

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we're going to have transnational energy shocks
like we've seen in Europe over the last

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two years. Over the next decade
or decade and a half, the world

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is going to push back. We're
seeing some of that in Europe. Now.

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People are going to demand a return
to low cost, reliable energy and

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not expensive intermittent renewables. And so
that's what I'm calling a green breakdown.

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We're going to get back to to
what makes sense. Well, you know,

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that's what I was just going to
say. It seems like, uh,

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which would be refreshing, and that
would be a move a revolution,

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heading back to common sense, it
would be. But the green world is

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pretty well entrenched, as you know, and it's it's just going to take

578
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:29.880
some very tough situations. But we've
got we've got places like New England very

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heavily dependent upon natural gas that's imported. They actually have a shortage of natural

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00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:42.119
gas. We have other places like
California, Pennsylvania they're talking about having shortages.

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And so we're going to have have
these problems. Anyway. You know,

582
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if if people have if they have
a gas gasoline car, if they

583
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.239
have a gas stove, if they
use electricity, they really ought to look

584
00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.519
to get a hold of green breakdown. They can uh learn what's really going

585
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:06.320
on with these things and what's in
store for many of us. Yeah,

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00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:14.039
it's like you said, they've had
such a stranglehold on the minds of citizens

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00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:20.159
and it's going to take a concerted
it has to be a concerted effort to

588
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:25.360
push back, to elect people into
office that can affect you know, positive,

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00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.400
you know, policy changes that make
sense. I mean, this is

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00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.599
where a guy like Donald Trump,
for example, is so antithical to the

591
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.320
green movement. Right. Yeah,
well I call this as in my first

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00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.679
two books, I call this climatism, the fear of man made global warming,

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00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.039
and both mister Trump and mister Ramaswami
are now using the term climatism.

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And it's an ideology, it really
is. It's becoming an all it's become

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00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.679
the center of focus for environmental groups, the center of what many of our

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00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.480
government leaders are telling us. But
it's based on a false premise that humans

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00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.239
are causing dangerous global warming. And
the second false part about it is that

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00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:14.119
we can we can stop it by
putting in all these renewables and that's not

599
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.639
going to happen as well well.
And like you said, anytime you're in

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a situation where you have to compel
people to do something, I mean,

601
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:30.639
the cumulative intelligence of three hundred and
forty fifty million people all side with them

602
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.119
every time, as opposed to you
know, several dozen elites who live in

603
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.920
the theory and think that they know
better. Steve Gorman cannot thank you enough

604
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.760
for coming on again. Remind people
how they can get their hands on all

605
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.440
your books, this one here of
course we've been talking a lot about green

606
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.440
breakdown, the coming renewable energy failure, but the other books as well.

607
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.119
Where can they get their hands on
those? Steve, Yeah, my books

608
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:59.760
are at Amazon. There are ebooks
as well. For the last three ebooks

609
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.679
are on Apple and Google and Amazon
and Burnes and Noble, and then you

610
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.159
can also get the signed copy of
any of my books from my website.

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Steve Gorham G O R E H
A M dot com. Well, Steve

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Gorham, thank you so much,
appreciate all the insight and the help on

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the issue of climate change, and
look forward to you know, continuing the

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conversation with you Okay, great Bill, I'm always at your service. You

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got to take care of Steve gorham
Our. Thanks to Steve for being with

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us today. For more information and
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to return to God and common sense
right and to save our country, go

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to Bill Martinez Show dot com.
May God bless you and keep you,

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and make his face shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and

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give you peace. Go and be
blessed. Thank you so much for being

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with us. I don't think to
put him