Escape from Dachau: A True Story of Survival, Courage, and a Daring Escape in the Face of Unthinkabl

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Radio, well, thank you for
joining us, and welcome to the Bill

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Martinez Show. For the first time, We've got a remarkable story of one

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man's miraculous rescue from Nazi Germany's first
concentration camp that's now being told. You

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know, many stories of struggle and
triumph from the Holocaust remain shrouded in secrecy

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for obvious reasons, the details too
traumatizing for survivors to revisit and recount.

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For that reason, the author requested
that her family's dramatic account being withheld.

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The title of the book, which
is now available, called Escape from Dekaw,

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A True Story of survival, courage, and a daring escape in the

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face of unthinkable evil. Her mother
passed away about a year and a half

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ago, and so now it is
her charge to tell us the truth,

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the whole truth, and nothing but
Susan Slalom Surveys joins us now to tell

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her mother's harrowing and true story.
Susan, Welcome to the show. Good

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to have you with us. Thank
you so much, Bill for having me

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on the show and giving me this
opportunity to talk about my mom and my

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family's experience in Nazi Germany. I'd
like to start just by mentioning that the

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Jews of the German Lands were very
loyal and committed. They were a committed

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part of German society. They were
not just doctors, lawyers, engineers,

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and architects, but they contributed to
art and music. One of the reasons

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why, when many Jews were leaving
in the early thirties, why my grandfather

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refused to leave Germany was because he
served for Germany in World War One.

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Many of my grandmother's brothers served for
Germany in World War One, and my

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grandmother and her sisters were volunteers in
the German Red Cross during the First World

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War. So he did not believe
that loyal Germans such as himself could possibly

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face the traumatic, dangerous, and
basically despicable situation that came upon them.

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It really is hard to imagine,
Susan, And first of all, you

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know, thank you for coming on
and telling his story, because you know,

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there's so much misunderstanding about, you
know, about the Holocaust. We've

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got Holocaust denials. I think still
we have like ten, you know,

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fifteen percent of the country that does
not believe that the Holocaust ever occurred.

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But you you put it in perfect
alignment here to even help people understand,

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especially for us, that we're not
there, and even non Jews because they

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wonder, they go, why did
the Jewish people stick around? And you

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made it quite clear because they were
very vested in the community and had been

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all along. It was a vibrant
community that contributed to the German way of

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life, absolutely absolutely. And my
grandfather had a successful manufacturing this that actually

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used technology developed by Henry Ford here
in the United States, and he was

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a very successful businessman. He made
many friends wherever he went. His customers

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loved him. But as we all
know now, in nineteen thirty three,

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when Hitler became chancellor, many Jews
started to leave because they saw the writing

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on the wall. My grandfather and
others did not. But in nineteen thirty

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six, when my mom was thrown
out of her public school because Jews were

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not allowed to attend the public schools, that is when brown shirts started roaming

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the streets, harassing and beating innocent
Jews, putting swastikas on businesses and homes.

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And by nineteen thirty eight, it
was almost impossible to get out of

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Germany. And you know, as
we all know, Crystal Knock on November

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ninth, nineteen thirty eight, that
is when they started burning down synagogues,

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Jewish holmes, Jewish businesses, and
it was too late. Jews could not

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get out of Germany. At that
point, America had closed its doors to

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more immigrants, and Jews were desperately
trying to go elsewhere, Argentina, Israel,

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other European countries, anywhere that would
let them in. And of course,

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the next day, November tenth,
nineteen thirty eight, my grandfather was

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dragged out of his home and taking
to Dakkaw. And you're right when you

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say that it was the first concentration
camp. It was established as a work

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camp, but many innocent prisoners,
and we're talking about doctors and lawyers and

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engineers. Many died in Dokkow,
even though it was not a death camp,

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because of the treatment that they received
there. So many prisoners died at

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Dakaw. How old was your mom
when she was kicked out of school?

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Sis, she was eleven years old
when she was kicked out of school,

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and she was twelve years old.
She's probably ten and a half because she

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was twelve years old when she finally
arrived on the shores of America. Wow,

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So you know, to stay with
that story a little bit more about

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what was going on. Okay,
so your mom is able to escape come

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to America, but what about your
grandfather. So what happened was my grandfather

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was taken to Dakhu, and that
same day my mom, my grandmother took

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my mom to the Catholic church,
the Sisters of Saint Joseph, who at

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that time were so wonderful in hiding
many Jewish children. They taught them the

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liturgy, they taught them the prayers, and the Nazis would come into those

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convents and into those Catholic churches and
line the children up and question them,

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and my mom as well as many
others did very well and survived, were

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not dragged out of the convent.
And my grandmother we do not know where

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she went or where she hid.
But when my grandfather escaped, he knew

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where my grandmother was. He knew
where my mom was and was able to

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retrieve them and get out of Germany. And so here's my grandfather at do

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Cow. Now this is the interesting
part of the story. My grandmother had

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a first cousin whose name was Emmanuel
Rosenfeld, who was a very skilled mathematician.

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He worked for the reich Bank,
the largest bank in Germany, based

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in Berlin, under Shach. Now
Shock will sound familiar because he was tried

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at the Nuremberg trials. He worked
for Shach in the bank, and when

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Hitler took power in nineteen thirty three, he brought Shach over to the government

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to become his Minister of Economics and
Finance. And who did shach bring with

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him from the bank My grandmother's first
cousin, Emmanuel Rosenfeld. But after a

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couple of years, when things got
really bad for the Jews, he got

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scared and he left his position and
went into high He changed his name,

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he changed his name to Maximmanuel and
went into hiding in Berlin and applied for

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papers to get out of Germany.
But he did one thing very smart.

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He kept his Third Reich identification papers
that identified him as a government official for

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the Third Reich. Imagine a Jew
who was a government official for the Third

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Reich until he quit and went into
hiding. Wow, it's almost a nest

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story a little bit right, right, exactly, very good, very good.

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That's right, that's right. So
here he's waiting to get his papers,

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and he finally gets papers to get
into America, which was very rare.

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And on that day he got a
call from my grandmother's brother that ad

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Oh, by the way, my
grandfather's name was also Adolph, is a

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popular German name back then, got
a call that my grandfather had been dragged

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to Dakow and he needs to do
something, he needs to get him out.

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So imagine this excruciating decision. He
has his papers in hand to get

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out of Germany and he gets this
call, and what does he decide.

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He decides, because of the human
being that he was, that he was

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going to risk his own life travel
in the middle of the night. Here

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he is, he's at the exit. Yes, he can make a decision

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for himself. He's free, but
for the call of family. We're talking

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with Susan Surveys. This is her
mother's story from her book Escape from Decau

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a true story of survival, courage, and a daring escape. And then

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we're getting to the daring escape right
now in the face of unthinkable evil.

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Her mother's name Katherine Mueller Sloanan.
So when you look for the book,

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look for her mother's name, Kathy
Mueller sloanem and it's on Amazon dot com

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right all the usual places. And
her daughter, Susan Sloan Surveys, is

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our guest, and she's telling her
story now. Allowed to tell her story

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because her mother said while she was
alive, she did not want this story

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to be known. Correct. So
here is the first cousin who makes this

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decision to drive in the middle of
the night the five hundred kilometers from Berlin

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to Stuttgart to duck Cow. I'm
sorry to Duck How to get my grandfather

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out? How much would that take? Susan's like a four hour journey or

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no five, probably five hour,
five six hour journey. Five hundred kilometers

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and you're going and he's thinking,
I'm going in the opposite direction. I

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should be going, I should be
exiting, but absolutely to go save my

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This would be his uncle, right
exactly, this would be his first cousin,

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first cousin in law, first cousin
in law. Now imagine all the

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way the entire trip, there were
checkpoints with Nazi guards at these checkpoints stopping

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cars. What are you doing here? And here he is. He has,

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fortunately these papers that identify him.
So he would down the window,

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scared to death, but trying to
muster up the most strength, to be

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tough and seem strong and say I'm
on official business. Hand the papers out

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the window. They didn't even open
them. They saw on the outside of

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the packet that he was a government
official. And he got through each and

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every checkpoint because he kept these papers
that identified him as a government official.

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Is he praying every step of the
absolutely scared to death because let me say

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something, Bill, If they had
opened those papers, the name on the

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inside was his government official name,
Emmanuel Rosenfeld, clearly a Jewish name,

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that would have been the end.
But fortunately they were these guards in the

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middle of the night, young Nazi
soldiers, probably afraid to do the wrong

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thing, sees the outside and just
passes him through, gets to the gates

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of Dokkow, tries again to muster
up as much strength as he can,

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shows them the picture the papers that
says he's a government official, and he

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demands, bring me this Adolph Mueller, what government business? Bring me this

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Adolph Mueller. They actually brought him
out of the concentration camp, and you

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know, his first cousin did not
recognize him. He was so emaciated,

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he did not look like himself,
but he looked in his eyes and he

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realized. He even said, are
you sure you brought me Adolph Mueller,

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and they said, yes, this
is prisoner Adolph Mueller. And he sort

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of shoves him in the car,
acting like this is official business, and

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he's grabbing this and off they go
to Stuttgart, Germany, from dok Cow,

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still dark, middle of the night, Get my grandma, get my

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mom, and off they go to
Luxembourg, where my grandmother's one of my

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grandmother's brothers lived in Luxembourg. Wow. Uh, I mean, just hearing

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that story, I need a drink, Susan. Okay, it's an amazing

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more than one. I mean,
this is so harrowing. It is.

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It is. And I will tell
you that the reviews on Amazon five stars

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say, people say they couldn't put
it down. They read the book in

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one sitting because they could not put
it down. This is a movie.

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This is a movie, Susan.
It's somebody is going to buy the rights

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for this and they're going to want
to turn this into a movie. Well,

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it is an amazing story, true
story of survival and courage. He

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could have Maximmanuel could have taken off
and said there's nothing I could do.

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But he was willing to risk his
life to save another person. What what

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a what a legacy you know?
Uh, you know, the whole family.

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Uh And and this is I guess
you could stay in many ways was

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very typical of German Jews, wasn't
it. It really was they They they

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tried to do everything that they could
to help their neighbors, help their friends,

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hide people, get them out.
Obviously, six million Jews were killed

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did not survive. And my grandfather's
sister, her husband, and their children

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were sent to Auschowitz and they were
murdered. So here there's a number of

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family members that did not make it
out and that were murdered in Germany Susan

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What what is the sentiment of today's
Jews look back and realizing six million Jews

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exterminated in Hitler's concentration camps and in
these ovens. Uh, you know,

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I can't help but think that,
you know, in some sense they're saying,

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Where's God? Where's God in all
this? Well, you know,

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it's it's a very good question.
And you know, faith gets even in

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the worst of times, even when
families are suffering, when individuals are suffering,

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Faith does get you through. And
I think that you know no one

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when you think about religion and when
you think about God. We don't know

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why certain things happen. There's so
much going on in the world right now

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that makes us think often where's God
exactly? You know, And people have

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different feelings about that. We have
been given the ability to be strong,

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to save people, to to do
the right thing. And whether or not

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our God will interfere with our built
the abilities that are God given abilities to

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resolve war, to resolve famine,
to resolve hate. You know, that's

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a big question. That's a very
good question. Bill. We don't we

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do not know the answers to those
things. Yeah, I mean being being

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a man of faith myself, Susan
that this is one of the questions.

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You know that, Yes, I
know evil exist, and I know,

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I guess I have an understanding.
I get pretty well settled in my mind

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why it does. And it's because
of sin, because people want to deny

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God. But this, this kind
of evil that it was manifest during World

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War two, during Hitler's Germany,
is just I mean to hear you recount

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the story. And it's not only
that I feel the story of your mom

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and your grandparents and all that they
must have endured. I think of all

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the others that survived that, that
asked that question, where where was God?

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And you know, and of course
that generation for the most part is

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passed, but there but some who
are still surviving saying, you know,

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should have, could have? Would
have? You know, we should have

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left, We missed the signs,
we should have u we should have escaped

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earlier, right didn't. I think
one of the big questions also when we

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talk about Hitler and Nazeas and all
of that, we need to think about

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the collaborators. Why were neighbors and
friends turning in their neighbors and friends.

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What is the mentality of people that
it back apathetically, don't gather together and

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say we will not tolerate this.
And you know, Bill, there are

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many situations in the world today where
there are collaborators, people that go along

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with evil leaders and sit back and
do not do anything. And if I

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have any hope for the present and
the future, it would be that Holocaust

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deniers are no different than the collaborators
that we're in Nazi Germany and saying that

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evil, destructive, dangerous behaviors are
acceptable. And so this is the thing

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that we need to work on.
And that's why talking about this book,

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talking about these true stories. Anyone
that denies the Holocaust can see the children's

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shoes and the eyeglasses and things that
are in the US Holocaust Museum, the

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cattle cars that Jews were loaded in. These are real and they and I

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dare them. I challenged them to
spend a half a day in the and

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it takes more than a half a
day, but just spend a half a

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day in the US Holocaust Museum and
come out of their saying I deny that

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this happened. That's all they need
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In Washington, DC. Yes,
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excellent points here, Susan, and
that is, you know, the collaborators,

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and maybe they may not consider themselves
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you know, Martin Nemuler in his
famous quote, laid it out when

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he said, first they came for
the socialist. I didn't speak out because

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I was not a socialist. Then
they came for the trade unionist, and

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I didn't speak out because I wasn't
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the Jews, and I didn't speak
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Then they came for me, and
there was no one left to speak for

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me. I love that quote that
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it really echoes right smack dab in
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To be honest with you, I
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that is something that that philosophy should
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that is what it is all about. People that do not step forward and

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say this is not tolerable. Right. So I'm really glad that you brought

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up that quote because it's important.
Let me ask you this this past week

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outrage regarding our neighbors to the north
in honoring a Nazi. And I mean

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this wasn't some casual This was somebody
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uh and you know, and understandable, standably and rightfully. I guess the

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minister who brought him in has since
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you know, it will never be
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forget, you know, we I
don't think there will ever be that time

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where you could expect people to have
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Holocaust. Susan Well, I hope
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that that is one of the reasons
why putting these true stories out so people

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will understand what actually happened is so
important. And as you said early on,

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my mom did not want her memoir
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there are a lot of true stories
that will never be published because people just

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can't think about it, they don't
want to talk about it, they don't

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want to remember it. But it
is important that we do and that we

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we bring to light Nazis that are
still around, or even neo Nazis that

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do not want to remember what has
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them. It's so horrific. I
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is that this is part of humanity, and this is what should be the

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warning, is that we all have
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evil because without God, without his
compassion and his love, the worst of

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our humanity can be expressed. And
we need to realize just how close we

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are. And again, when you
look at today's America and the kind of

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you know, the crime rates that
are happening, how we have untethered ourselves

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from our moral compass and our solid
rock, so to speak, we are

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not that far off from really allowing
this chaos, you know, to be

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manifest beyond our imaginations. And you
know, there's no guarantee that the horrors

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of what we remember sadly in the
Holocaust, there's no guarantee that it will

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not happen again. There is absolutely
no guarantee. But this is the issue

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that you and myself, we need
to make sure that the good people,

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the people that still do have their
humanity, become the vocal people, because

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those that lack humanity, the evil
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described, they are the vocal minority. They are the ones that are all

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over social media. They are the
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with flags, you know, having
rallies and this sort of thing.

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And the good people, with good
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they kind of sit back and hope
and think that it won't it can't happen

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again. And I do not believe
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it's really important that the good people
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to be more vocal as a group, as individuals or as a group.

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But they have to be They have
to get on social media, they have

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to be out there at rallies,
they have to you know, speak out.

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That's what is necessary. Well,
and what we learned was that there

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was only ten percent of Germany that
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Ninety percent of the German people.
This is the furthest thing, and

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they just went along to get along. And you know, to think that

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ten percent could control ninety percent.
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it can happen in America, it
can happen anywhere. Can happen anywhere,

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And there are you know, you
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parts of the world that are are
frightening, that are frightening. But again,

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we need to encourage the good people
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ones that sit back and wait until
it's too late. Well, and this

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is really when you think about it, Susan, this is the forest of

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Western civilization. Western civilization. Civilization
was anchored in godly principle. Now you

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could argue, you know, everybody's
different idea and the conflicts of religion and

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that sort of thing, but by
and large, you know, God was

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there and uh. And you look
at how God was manifest and how how

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Western civilization flourished, and and here
we are. It's like we've gone full

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circle. And what's being attacked right
now? Everything's of everything of faith,

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everything that has anything to do with
God. Uh. The radicals are coming

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after after all things almighty, which
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we know who wins in the long
run. And you know, as the

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Bible says quite clearly, man makes
his plans and God laughs. And I'm

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sure God is laughing in some regard
with some of the craziness and the ideas

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that some of the you know,
men are coming up with But the fact

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of the matter still is that in
that process of man and being in control,

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seeing things according to their own eyes, there's a lot of danger.

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faith. And as you say,
when you take a stand, if you're

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standing on the solid rock of your
faith and the principles of God, regardless

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you know of what happens, you
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Now how that will be manifest Just
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Two, there were a lot of
Jews that had their idea of how God

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should come in and reign victoriously,
but that wasn't exactly God's plan. God's

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plans a little bit different. But
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redeem the experience and make the most
of it because I believe the headwinds that

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are coming are such that our faith
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we just have to hope that the
good like I said, the good people,

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the people that have the beautiful values
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care about their neighbors and humanity,
start stepping forward and speaking out. I

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do believe and I'm I'm so sure
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we hear, those negative, angry, dangerous, hateful voices, are minority.

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But they're the loudest exactly. But
they're the loudest. Yeah, and

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they're they're and they're dangerous, and
and they're they've done damage. I mean,

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look what's happened in America the Summer
of Love. It wasn't a lot

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of a lot of radicals, but
it was enough to take over you know,

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Wall Street. It was enough to
take over Portland and Seattle do billions

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of dollars of damage. I mean, even to this day, you got

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gangs that are going in uh you
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havoc in communities. I mean,
the damage that is being done, Susan,

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be a generation to rectify. Well, like I said, I think that

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even in the situations that we see, we have to look at who's collaborating,

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who's joining in, and who's standing
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to really encourage people to get involved
in their communities to make their communities safer

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and healthier, and don't let evil
people like the Hitlers in the world take

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over and command what should be done
in communities. And I think that,

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you know, a lot of the
survivors of the Holocaust, many of them

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did okay when they survived and got
out, but many of them did not,

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you know, and some it's a
tragic it's a trauma that that doesn't

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always leave. My memory of my
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windows, smoking his cigar and just
staring out the window. Yea, and

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that could have been effects. Today
we know that as PTSD, how could

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they not have suffered from some form? Right, exactly right, exactly exactly

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so. But anyway, well,
what I want you to do, if

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you would please it share some stories
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I mean, this is her story, you know, tell us about her.

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My mom was a wonderful person.
She worked in an elementary school and

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a middle school in Dayton, Ohio
for forty five years. The students loved

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her. It was not the best
community. She would take on these kids

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that had a lot of problems and
try to help them through. She volunteered

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at the Home for unwed Mothers.
She was just a wonderful person. Everyone

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loved her, and at her funeral. I actually many years later, she

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got a letter from one of the
students that was really in trouble with the

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law and involved in some really bad
things. And she got a letter from

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this man with his picture. He
was in a suit, and he wrote

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in this letter, dear missus Sloanum, no words can tell you how you

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straightened me out and how my life
changed as a child because of your support

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that I did not get in my
family situation. And I want you to

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know that I'm a successful businessman,
I am happy, and I will never

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forget you. And I showed the
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mom's funeral. So she was a
very optimistic person. What happened to her?

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and you know, young people are
very resilient. And she came to

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America and she loved America. She
made many friends, and she was just

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a wonderful optimistic person even after everything
that she went through. She was born

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out of all that tragedy, yes, he imagined, yeah, And she

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was always an optimist and she was
just a wonderful person. What can you

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tell us about your grandparents. So
my grandparents came to got out, came

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to America, lived in Albany,
New York. But like I said,

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my grandfather was very introverted, which
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My grandmother was more of an optimist
like my mom, and had made

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a lot of friends and sort of
moved on with her life. But my

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grandfather really never survived the Holocaust.
He really didn't. He was alive,

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but he really never survived it.
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lot of friends in Albany, New
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my grandmother's brothers lived in Albany,
New York. He had gotten out of

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Germany in the early twenties. He
wanted an adventure and so he left Germany

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to come to America. And so
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you know, we went on this
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to go back. Starting in the
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invited loss It was called the Return
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my mom got invited to that trip, and every year she said, no,

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I do not ever want to step
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the year two thousand, my brother, my sister and I convinced her to

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go because we thought it would be
good closure for her. And she wrote

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to the mayor of Stuttgart, which
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she said, I will go.
They were allowed to bring one other person

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with them. She said, I
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and my sixteen year old granddaughter,
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philosophical but it was that trip.
I had never heard my mom speak a

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word about what happened, but on
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there was another trip, and this
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they started opening up and telling what
happened to them and their families, suddenly

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my mom started opening up. My
daughter and I were shocked what she was

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saying. And when we came back
to America, that's when she sat down

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and wrote this memoir. When we
returned from the trip to Germany, well,

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we're talking with Susan Surveys, the
daughter of Kathy Mueller Sloanan, and

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she's here telling her mother's story Escape
from Dekau, a true story of survival,

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courage, and a daring escape in
the face of unthinkable evil. Susan,

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I've seen video footage, you know, with Germany when they were dealing

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as a country, in dealing with
the Holocaust, not denying. They wanted

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the citizens to know this is what
happened in the concentration camps. And you

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would see people going into the concentration
camps like it was a Sunday walk in

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the park, very you know,
very jovial, very happy. And then

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it shows them coming out of these
concentration camps in these buildings and they were

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devastated. You could tell by their
body language, by the look on their

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faces what they had experienced was absolutely
horrific. And this is, you know,

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years after all the damage. But
yet you could say the environment,

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you know, whatever was in it
was still there. All the evil was

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still there and the people could feel
it. Yes, I mean, that's

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that's absolutely true. And I do
want to say, go back to something

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that you just mentioned. When we
went to Germany. They have erected granite

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columns every place where the train stopped
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Well, so They have also many
of the temps. There's very few Jews

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left in Germany even to this day, but they have rebuilt. My mom

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and my grandparents watched as their synagogue
was burned to the ground. They have

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rebuilt that synagogue to exactly the way
it looked before the Holocaust, and we

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actually went there and sat in the
pews where my grandparents and my mom would

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sit. Now these structures, these
synagogues are used for concerts and for lectures

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on you know, uh, different
subjects because you know, there's really not

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much of a Jewish even not the
traditional temple worship, right because there's not

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much some of them do still,
uh, you know, there are enough

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Jewish community members so that they are
there's a rabbi there, and there there

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are services, but many of them
are really they're rebuilt in the memory,

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but they're used for different classical concerts
and different arts and different exhibits. But

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they have done that. They have
rebuilt a lot of these They have put

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monuments and stones where Jews were gathered
and put on these cattle cars, and

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we were very pleased to see that
and obvious, you know, they're taught

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about the Holocaust in the schools.
We went to a couple of schools so

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that the survivors could talk to the
students. So I think that, look,

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there are Neo Nazis everywhere in the
world. They're in America, they're

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in Germany, they're in France,
you name it. But I believe that

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Germany has made a really good effort
to keep what happened alive. Yeah.

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So, and the thing is it's
part of their healing, and it's wise

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leadership that allows them to be this
vulnerablest. Most countries would just bury and

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say we don't want anything to do
with it. We'll be in denial.

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Let's move on. And uh,
you know, think about that today and

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tomorrow, forget about yesterday. But
I believe that God has honored that and

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has redeemed the country. Uh,
because you look at it, you look

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at it today. Uh. You
know, the country Germany has been greatly

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blessed and and they have opportunity here. Uh. And but they know they

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know better than anybody else what happened
in their country. Uh. And uh,

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you know, this has got to
be a tough, a tough situation

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because here in America, Susan,
you know, there's still people even today

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still grieve over what some would call
our original sin of slavery. We're still

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reconciling that in our hearts and minds, even though I think we've come a

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long way. I think Martin Luther
King Junior would be in many ways,

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would be very proud of of where
we are today versus where this country was

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six years ago. Yes, I
think. And that's the thing about talking

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about Germany, that they, as
you had said earlier, that generation that

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suffered, many of them are gone
now, and so it would be easy

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to forget, to put it in
the past and not pass along what actually

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happened. And from what I could
see, they are not doing that.

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They are passing it along to future
generations so that it will not happen again.

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And that's what I hope. The
one thing I hope about Mom's memoir

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is that it gets in school libraries, college libraries, high school libraries,

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because to me, it's so important
that the next generation understand these events that

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have happened in history that could happen
again if you are not knowledgeable about these

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situations. Well, they say,
that's the reason why history repeats itself is

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because we never learned from history.
In the first place, right right,

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Yeah, you know, exactly,
and seriously, especially with something as horrific

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and as significant as as the Holocaust. If your mom was alive today,

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and in many respects she is alive, She's alive through you. I feel

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her spirit, if I can say
this in metaphorical terms, running through you,

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she would have a message, a
very deep and profound message, you

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know, to share with And she
says this in the book. But I

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want to give you an opportunity to, you know, to consider for a

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moment, if your mom was here, what would she tell us. I

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think that she would tell us something
that you and I have already sort of

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touched on, and that is that
there are many, many beautiful good people

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in the world, right and that
that's what we need to concentrate on,

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and that's we need to bring those
people out in the open and make sure

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that they're willing to speak out because
so many of us would step up and

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do step up. And I think
that that would be her message too,

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that you know, listen, good
people, hear my voice, step up,

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don't don't sit by the sidelines.
Make sure that you get involved.

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And I think that that is what
my mom's message would be how in terms

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of faith, your your mother,
your father, your family, How was

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that manifest in your family? So
we are a very faithful family. We

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grew up you know, obviously we
are Jewish and have a strong belief in

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God and God's will, and you
know, we believe that it's our role

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to uh pass along the Ten Commandments, that we were chosen to describe the

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Ten Commandments. We were chosen to
speak the words of the Ten Commandments and

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make sure that they are part of
everyone's life. And so I think that

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that's you know, that's our religious
background, that is our that is our

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role to to uh send out God's
message through the Ten Commandments, which really,

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when you think about it covers everything, right, you know, you

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just uh yeah, I don't want
to say celebrated, but you remembered the

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holiest of holy days. Yes,
and I pray that you had a good

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fastest, you know, twenty five
hours. I mean, you know,

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it's like this is a this is
a sense and I'd like to eat bill,

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So it's not easy for me.
No, Well, well God bless

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you been. But you know I
love talking about it and uh, you

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know, sharing with our audience because
we run the whole gamut of people of

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faith, and there's so much that
we can you know, grow and appreciate

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about Jewish traditions and Jan Kipper,
especially that high holiday that causes us to

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pause and to really draw near to
God and to reconcile with God, you

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know, our our sins and to
really seal uh, you know, for

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ourselves our commitment for the coming year. Right absolutely, and I think also

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just you know, one of the
things to get you know, come down

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to earth about that holiday and probably
the hardest thing you are supposed to consider

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during that period between Russia, Shawna
and Jong Kipper, that day period,

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who did you hurt? Who who
did you alienate? You are supposed to

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get back in touch with those people
and apologize and basically say this is no

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fault insurance here. I'm not saying
it's your fault or my fault, but

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I want to say I'm sorry for
where our relationship is right now, let's

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start again. That is the hardest
part because let's face it, during the

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year, there are always people that
you're no longer speaking to, or that

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they made you mad or they and
that ten day period you are commanded to

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think about that and try to reconcile
all with anyone. And I will say

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there there was a couple that that
we had sort of parted our ways with

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and my husband got back in touch
with them during this period and said,

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this is the period between Russia ship. We're sorry, we don't know how

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we got to this point, but
let's move forward. And they're coming over

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and and this is part of it. Not only can we yes. Yeah,

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So you're there's a lot of you
know, you know, you you

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know, introspective thought that goes into
that ten days and you you know,

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thank there's positive parts, thanking God
for all the beautiful things in your life

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and all the wonderful things that have
happened to you. And you think about

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all the things that you've done during
the year and ask forgiveness for all of

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those things, and then you reconcile. You you make better the things that

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were not right exactly, don't you
love? It happens every year. Well,

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you know what, you can't stay
stupid right. One one of the

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things that my mom always said that
actually my daughter brought back onto me recently

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was tomorrow is a brand new day
with no mistakes. Oh wow, tomorrow

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00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.320
is a brand new day with no
mistakes. When you wake up in the

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morning, it is fresh. You
start your life over again every morning,

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every morning. The wisdom of people
I know, and so my daughter I

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used I raised my kids saying that
when they were upset about something at school

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or with friends or whatever, I
would always say, tomorrow is a brand

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new day with no mistakes. And
my daughter just said that to me something

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that went on the other day that
I wasn't happy about. And my daughter

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actually brought that back to me,
and it warmed my heart that that,

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you know, that was my mom, that was me, and now that

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has been passed down. But it's
so good to talk with you, Bill,

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and I'm so happy that you had
invited me to be on your show.

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And well, it's just wonderful.
I'm absolutely blessed. I want you

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to know, and I know our
viewers equally blessed. As we wrap things

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up, Susan Uh tell everybody again
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Yep. It's on Amazon dot com. Escape From dot How by Kathy Mueller

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Sloan them and it is available on
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hard book, a paperback, a
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read. Uh. It's available in all

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mom, Cathy Mueller. Sloanam Uh, Susan Surveys. Thanks so much,

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thank you, Thank you so much, thank you, thanks, thank you,

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Susan Surveys for being with us today. For more information than to be

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a part of this mighty movement to
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go to Bill Martinas Show dot com. May God bless you and keep

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you. May make His face shine
upon you. May He be gracious unto

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you and give you peace. Thank
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