Cuba Hosts Chinese Spy Station-Is That A Problem?

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guest with you. I had the
opportunity a couple of weeks ago go to

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talk with General John Tiger and an
incredible background and how he has served we

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the people. It's just an honor
to have the General on with us.

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He's a recently retired US Air Force
General National Security Expert, Assistant Deputy under

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Secretary of the Air Force International Affairs
General. Welcome to show. Great to

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have you with us. Bill,
It is wonderful to be with you again.

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Thank you for having me well.
So much to talk about, especially

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in light of the recent visit of
Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln with

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Chairman g of China Boylteat it left
much to be desired. As you know,

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John, when we have officials meeting
with other governments, it's critical to

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know what to expect you, what
your mission is, and how you can

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come away in such a way that
says, hey, look at I invested

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the people's money wisely, and we're
better off as a result of this meeting

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than we were previously. Is that
fair? So, Bill, I agree

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with you, And I actually was
pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the blink

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In meeting in Beijing, primarily because
I was worried about an imbalance in the

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way that the relationship and the visit
was going to be treated. And what

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I mean by that is this that
a couple of weeks ago, CIA Director

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Burns went to Beijing, I think
probably to pave the way for this visit,

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and then there was an NSA director
visit, and then now Blinken,

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and I was worried that there would
be this imbalance where China would demonstrate to

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their people in the world that the
United States cares far more about the relationship

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than China does, and that would
create danger. And where I think my

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concerns were alleviated is the fact that
Chairman She met with Blink and himself.

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And if he would have rebuffed him
and it would not have been a meeting

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at that level, then you were
right. There would have been real imbalanced

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concerns. But I actually think the
fact that Chairman She took the time to

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meet with Lincoln indicated that there was
an appropriate level of decorum there that could

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set the stage for maybe some stability
in the relationship down the revenue. Now,

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why did Blincoln feel he had to
make the statement about Taiwan? There

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seems to be a disconnect based on
representation of our government, other leaders,

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even what the President has said.
And it's almost like he gave a signal

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to China that they could move forward
on Taiwan. Did I misread something here?

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Now? And your right perceptions are
everything in this game of deterrence and

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deterrences what won us the Cold War, and deterrence is what we're trying to

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use to make sure that China doesn't
take action, especially against Taiwan that would

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be against all of our interests and
certainly the United States interest and the concern

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is that we as the United States, need to demonstrate capability and will and

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play into the minds of our challenger, our opponent here in China, and

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any statement we make that could open
the door to our allowance of a Chinese

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aggressive move across the Taiwan straight could
ultimately lead to them actually doing it,

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and we need to do everything we
can to demonstrate capability and will so that

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they do not. Well. General, China has been a little reckless.

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I mean, whether it's coming to
a near collision with you know, one

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of our navy ships, you know, even you know, sending airplanes into

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Taiwan's airspace. I mean, this
is this is a bit ambitious and challenging

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in the least, is it not. No, you are right, And

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it wasn't just one close call.
There were two two weeks ago, one

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in the air and one on the
sea, where China is doing whatever they

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can to provoke action or to see
how strong our will is. And when

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I talk about our activities just in
the last couple of weeks, they do

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that daily to their neighbors in the
Philippines and in Vietnam and others. And

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their reckless behavior is just a prelude
to future aggression, and we need to

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do everything we can't to telegraph that
that will not stand. General analysts are

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saying that economically speaking, China is
not as strong as they would want as

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to believe. Do they really want
to engage in a world war. I

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don't think China wants to engage in
a world war, but I think they

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want to achieve their strategic interests.
And there's probably three or four immediate interests

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of theirs in this order. Number
One, the Chinese Communist Party wants to

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remain in power. Number two,
they want to retake what they consider a

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rogue province in Taiwan. Number three
they want primacy in their region. And

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ultimately, they want to disrupt the
international world order that the United States has

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so carefully tended to in the last
eighty years. And I think those priorities

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are in that order, and I
don't think they want world war. In

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fact, I think they use unrestricted
warfare this strategy from two CCP colonels from

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nineteen ninety nine, which essentially means
that they're willing to engage in every way,

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in every domain, in every geography, at every time, and they

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would love to achieve their objectives without
war. But I think to some extent,

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especially if we demonstrate a lack of
capability and will, then they're willing

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to push the boundaries and see what
we're willing to stand up against exactly.

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Well, you know, I think
all eyes are watching. It seems provocative

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at times what the communist Chinese are
doing. They may put themselves in a

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position where they bite off more than
they can chew, especially when economically they're

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not faring so well. I mean, they're setting their ducks up in a

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row, no doubt, and they're
observing what the United States is doing.

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And in some cases you might argue
general that the United States is playing more

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into their hands than not, which
brings to mind what Miranda Divine wrote about

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in terms of our elites being captured, whether it's the Biden family or other

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elected officials. Now and there's actually
a great book written by a friend of

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mine America. Second is the title
of the book, and the idea is

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that a lot of these elites have
put their own interests first, especially in

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their interest with respect to engagement with
China and American interest. Second, and

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I think there's a lot of individuals
and organizations that have done that, especially

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during the time when the allure of
economic prosperity was so great and the downside

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was less visible. But now that
we've seen such aggression and recklessness by China

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just in the last three, four
or five years, I think people are

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second guessing. But to some extent, they might be in a position where

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they're so tied to the relationship with
China that it's tough for them to get

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out. Well, the ties that
mind go both ways, don't they general.

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I mean, whether you're talking in
the NBA, the entertainment world,

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you know, the ties into the
American culture run very deep. And in

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Diane Feinstein's words, I might say
dogmatic. Yeah, And I'm concerned about

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some of those Chinese activities that have
played maybe on our goodwill way too much.

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And I think about seven hundred billion
dollars of stolen intellectual property a year,

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or a communist Chinese clubs on college
campuses or police stations in metropolitan areas,

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those are things that should concern us
that maybe we've turned a blind eye

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too because we thought that somehow economic
prosperity was pre eminent, and that ultimately

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get dragged them into a world order
that understood the importance of liberty and democracy.

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But they have just used our good
intentions in many ways against us,

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and now they're looking to pray against
us using this unrestricted warfare strategy from twenty

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four years ago. Well, I
think the Chinese have seen the vulnerability of

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America and its leadership and they've taken
advantage. I mean, you know,

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initially when Richard Nixon, and even
before Richard Nixon, you look and you

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saw gold in them our hills and
said, wouldn't it be nice if we

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could work together? And I believe
that America at first went in with eyes

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wide open, thinking of the possibility
of a win win relationship. But sadly,

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it seems that the communist Chinese have
taken unfair advantage. Now, Bill,

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I think you're right, and as
we look to the real relationship that

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could see a win win advantage in
the future, I see our relationship with

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India as being exactly that. That's
what's point four billion people and a democratically

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elected government, and that is the
relationship that we really need to focus on,

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one built on trust and shared values, not the one that we've seen

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for the last twenty or thirty years
that has allowed China to take advantage of

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us and our intentions. Well,
General, we are still kind of trying

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to, I don't know, clean
up our reputation a little bit internationally since

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Afghanistan. As you know, this
made a negative impression upon our allies and

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others that you know heretofore have counted
on American support and reliability. And Bill,

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I think there is a direct link
between Putin's aggression in Ukraine and our

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feckless withdraw from Afghanistan. And I
think Chinese and others like Venezuela or Iran

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or North Korea are watching to see
if there is an inkling of weakness in

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the United States so that they can
take advantage of it for their own personal,

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selfish interests. Gotta go to break. We've got more from General John

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Speaking of serving, we've got to retire

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General John Tiger, who recently retired
from US Air Force. He is a

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national security expert, Assistant Deputy under
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General I wanted to address particularly what's
going on here with I wanted to

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especially address that Cuba is hosting the
Chinese spy station. Explained to our audience

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how this is a problem. Now, so let me start with what I

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think is our response problem, Bill, And this seems to be following a

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pattern that we saw in the Afghanistan
withdraw and a pattern that we saw with

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the Chinese spy balloon a few months
ago. We're initially the administration to nihs

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our concerns or that there is a
problem, and then they're forced to acknowledge

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it, but then they diminished the
magnitude of those concerns, and then ultimately

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they blame the Trump administration for those
concerns. And to me, it just

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makes us look unaware and untruthful and
irresolute and incapable, and frankly, that's

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my biggest concern with respect to what
may or may not be going on with

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a spy station in Cuba. Yeah, you know, it is amazing.

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And then we find out, first
of all, they wanted to blame somebody

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else for it, and then they
came back and said, well, you

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know, if the truth being known, this has been going on for quite

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a while. I mean, this
is shades and memories of a balloon that

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traversed half of the United States over
some you know, I believe sensitive areas

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that have to do with our national
security General, No, Bill, I

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just think that our government needs to
be a lot more aware and a lot

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more truthful. And these types of
things are going to pop up in international

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relations. This isn't going to be
the only one. It's not going to

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be the first. It certainly wasn't
and it's not going to be the last.

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But our government needs to be more
proactive both in its activity and its

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communication, and more communicative to the
American population, who is trusting our administration

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to provide for our best interests.
Well, you know, it just seems

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that the Communist Chinese, their incursion
into our country has become so pervasive,

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whether we're talking about police stations operating
within the country, and of course,

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as we mentioned earlier, those elites
that are as Miranda, divine sided elite

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captured and doing the biddie for the
Communist Chinese within our government. Now,

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I think there's some real concerns,
and I don't think there's anything particularly concerning

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about a spy station ninety miles to
the south. I think it's something we

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need to address and maybe we can
talk more details about that. But I

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think some of those things that are
going on internally, like stolen intellectual property

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or Chinese clubs or police stations,
are stolen person records, are far more

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important and far more damaging to our
well being. Than a spy station in

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south of our coast. Well,
it just seems like there's a lot of

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moving elements here general, and it's
hard for the American people to stay on

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top of it. I mean,
we are constantly admonishing our audience that you

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need to own your knowledge. I
mean, here we are, we're grateful

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that you're here with your expertise,
and we say up front, look at

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don't trust us one hundred percent,
because that's not right, it's not fair,

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it's not it's not intellectual, you
know, in terms of you,

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we don't want to insult your intelligence
and tell you what you should believe.

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Hopefully you're listening this information and say, Bill, John, I'm going to

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check this out. God knows is
no Bill, You're spot on. And

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what I think we need to pay
attention to is the pattern of behavior by

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the Chinese. One event doesn't make
a pattern of behavior, but we see

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both what they're doing within our country, what they're doing around the South China

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Sea, and what they're doing around
the world paints picture of malign and aggressive

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activities that should absolutely concern us and
the American people need to know about.

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Yeah, let's talk about the South
China. See. This has been going

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on for a long time, and
this is what bothered me about, you

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know, the Russian Ukraine conflict that's
taking place right now. Russia was staging

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for warfare for over a year.
But you would seem that our our intelligence

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community, our National community Security committee
community was asleep at the wheel, you

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know. I And that's beyond me. And then here we are, of

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course, the communist Chinese have been
moving quite aggressively, setting up you know,

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in a sense, military installations in
the South China See and claiming eminent

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domain so to speak, there in
those territories that are supposed to be international

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now and you're right about concerns there, and in fact, even the United

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Nations that tends to not necessarily take
a strong has made it very clear that

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China is violating international law by what
they're doing in the South China Sea.

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And the concern is exactly what you're
talking about, and that they are enhancing

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their strength and demonstrating their own will
and capability in a way that is potentially

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demonstrating what could be on the horizon
with respect to further aggression. And going

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back, yeah, and going back
to the idea Biddle of deterrence. Deterrence

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is helping our adversary understand that there
are minimal benefits to taking an activity that

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we don't want them to, and
there are huge costs and huge risks,

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and we need to stand strong as
the United States, alongside of our huge

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network of allies and partners, to
help China to understand that there are costs

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and there are risks to their activity. And certainly if they take the steps

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we don't want them to, then
they're going to have to bear those costs

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and those risks, and they will
be inappropriate and unbearable for them. Well,

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general, you bring up an excellent
point here, and that is our

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allies are looking to America, like
it or not. We're the example.

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So if we're squishy on things,
our allies are going to follow suit,

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are they not? Now? I
think you're right, though. I do

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think that because China's aggression has been
so obvious in the last few years,

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it is sparked an increase in capability
amongst the variety of allies and partners around

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the world. I think about Japan
that just recently has dedicated to double their

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defense spending in the next five years. South Korea's boosting their defense spending.

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So as Australia, I hope that
the state visit with India goes well this

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week and demonstrates an opportunity to further
demonstrate to China that it's not just American

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will that they've got to contend with, but it's the will and capabilities of

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a variety of allies and partners around
the world. And you bring up another

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point here. I mean, this
is what the former president was jumping up

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and down with NATO about, is
that they needed to up their investment.

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You could see these threats happening,
and so what were you going to do?

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I mean, they weren't even honoring
their original commitment General No, And

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you're right that commitment is two percent
of their GDP should be going to spend

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on the military, and they were
spending far less than that. I think

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maybe the benefit here, Bill,
if you want to call it a benefit,

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is that the world has demonstrated itself
to be a dangerous place in the

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last couple of years, both with
respect to Russian aggression and Chinese potential aggression,

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and that aggression is doing what our
talks with our allies and partners could

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never do, which is prompting them
to realize that they've got to spend for

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their own self defense otherwise this aggression
could come to their doorstep. Yeah,

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without a doubt. They've got to
They've got to up their game, you

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know. And as you said,
the standards been two percent, Well,

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there's been talk that it needs to
be up to four percent because of the

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emerging threats that we're looking at.
No, and I'm concerned that our spending

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based on our GDP is at historic
low levels right now the world is only

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getting more dangerous. We talked about
China and Russia, but we talked about

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threats of Venezuela or North Korea,
or Iran or others. And if we

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are not spending and investing in strength
in our military, then there are those

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that are going to take actions against
us to play upon our weakness of capability

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and will general to that point,
many people are questioning the readiness of today's

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military. We probably won't have a
chance to get into it as deep as

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I would like to on this side
of the break. So why don't we

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go ahead, We'll go to break, we'll pick it up from there,

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because I know our audience especially would
like to hear your insight and your forecast

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regarding the readiness of today's American military. Stay with us. We've got more

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and we're talking with a General John
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As we were saying right before the
break, want to focus on military

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preparedness. This is something that the
American people have been increasingly aware of when

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you have you know, Secretary of
Defense Austin and even General Millie saying that

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they're proud of the diversity of the
military. And the American people could care

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less about diversity, and what they
care about hits our National Security General with

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all due respect. Yeah, so, Bill, let me start with the

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composition of our force and the backbone
of our force, which is those young

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people that serve. And I want
your listeners to know that those young people

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that make up less than one percent
of our population continue to be absolutely amazing.

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They're patriotic, they're dedicated. I
just had the opportunity this morning to

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commission an individual to the United States
Coast Guard, and those opportunities are some

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of the highlights of my life and
my career. But we owe them the

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best possible capability that's tailor made to
face the threats that are likely into the

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future. And we also owe them
a focus from our senior leaders on the

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things that are important. And you
talk about diversity, and absolutely we already

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have an amazingly diverse force. We
also has a force that treats one another

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with dignity and respect, and we
should be very proud of that. But

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we need senior leaders that are focused
on the real world threats that exist out

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there, the ones we've spent the
last thirty minutes talking about, because those

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threats are looking to do something malicious
and malign within the world order, and

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if we don't stand strong against them, then they're going to have their way.

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What's the purpose of our military general, I mean, I think we

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need to revisit that mission, and
that needs to be before, you know,

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the generals that are running the operation
here, the joint chiefs of staff

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to remember that, you know,
we're here to war and war and when

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you look at our record in the
recent era, we're lacking here. So

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we've lost sight of something along the
way. Again, this is from my

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perspective being as you know, former
Marine I was involved during the Vietnam conflict,

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not in country, but where I
was at. I was in a

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unique position to be able to observe
a lot that was happening there in country,

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and then in my conversations with those
soldiers that were coming back. Yeah.

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So Bill, thank you for your
service to our country. And I

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do think that at those lower levels
were really the rubber meets the road.

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Our young people are absolutely focused on
what they need to do, which is

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supportant to defend the Constitution of the
United States against all enemies foreign in domestic.

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I do think where sometimes we believe
that our defense department is distracted is

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when we look at the political class
within the Pentagon. Fortunately, they are

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highly isolated and insulated from where the
real war fighting gets done, which is

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down at the unit level, and
so there is concern at that Pentagon appointed

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class that there is a lack of
focus. But I do guarantee you that

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the capability of those young people at
the unit level is still just as stellar

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as we always have needed them to
be when it comes to deterrence first and

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then winning if necessary. General,
I do want to talk more about what's

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happening with Russia and Ukraine. Last
time you and I talked, we talked

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about the F sixteens, but I
want to finish up. I think a

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key issue here regarding China, and
that has to do with wagers, a

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modern day Holocaust, Oregon harvesting human
abuse that is taking place there, and

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it would appear that the international community, because of those ties that bind that

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we talked about earlier are not quite
challenging. I guess the international community to

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really get up and hold the Chinese
accountable that this cannot happen in our world,

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that we would abuse people of the
degree that they're doing the Weakers.

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For example, No, and Bill, you're talking about a modern day holocaust.

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You're talking about genocide of over a
million people. And I really truly

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hope that when Secretary Blincoln met face
to face with Chairman Chi Jingping, that

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he brought up this issue because we
do not have moral standing in this world

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if we're not willing to stand up
for the weakest and most abused among us.

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And I hope that in those closed
door conversations he had the courage to

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speak truth to that power about how
that must not continue because we all share

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this thing that is part of humanity, and we must stand up for those,

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especially those that are the weakest among
us. Well. And hopefully the

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Secretary was not afraid to address that
eight hundred thousand pound gorilla in the room

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called COVID nineteen. Now there is
COVID nineteen, there's the abuse of the

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newly acquired Hong Kong population. There's
a lot of other repression within China,

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and really our Secretary of State needs
to have the backbone and the courage and

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the talking points to walk into a
meeting like that. And while we're trying

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to safeguard a relationship so that it
doesn't suppire a lot of control, that

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we do not have the moral standing
that we need if we're not willing to

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talk about the tough issues in addition
to those issues that maybe could be shared

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interest among us. You know,
General, you talk about moral standing,

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and I want our audience to understand
that that foundation begins with we the people.

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Is clearly enumerated in the Constitution of
the United States. We cannot put

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it out on the military or blame
somebody else. It's like that old saying,

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one finger going forward, three coming
back at you. So that moral

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standing starts with us as much as
it would count on us. We've got

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to lift up our game, our
understanding of moral standing and why it's so

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important. It goes beyond our borders, as it has always been almost since

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this country, this great American idea
came into being. Right, No,

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it is we are this shining city
on a hill and people are looking towards

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us to understand what right looks like, and that means we've got to be

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right ourselves as individuals, as families, as society, and as community.

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And if we're not doing that right, then there's no real hope that the

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world has to look towards. Exactly. Well, general, let's go to

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Ukraine and Russia. As you and
I had mentioned before, we saw this

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coming from a distance, and now
here we are just you know, investing

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a ton of money. But I
wonder, you know again, you know,

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as we talked about the NATO partners, I mean, the NATO partners

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are the ones to get the greater
benefit, and it appears that America is

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putting more skin in the game than
these neighbors that have more to lose if

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Russia was to take over Ukraine.
So, Bill, I think the most

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00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.039
important perspective here is that no Americans
are dying in Ukraine, and Ukraine is

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fighting valiantly with what they have been
given from the United States, with what

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they had to begin with, and
what they're getting from other partners within the

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West. Now, I do think
that it has cost us some money.

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I think last tally was about eighty
billion dollars total, fifty billion of that

438
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being military spending. I do think
that our NATO partners are actually providing more

439
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capability than maybe we would have expected
fifteen or sixteen months ago. But I

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do think that there needs to be
the right balance here. But most importantly,

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I believe that Ukraine is fighting a
fight for all of us, and

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they are standing strong against aggression.
They're stopping Putin from moving on beyond Ukraine

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to other places that could be far
more dangerous than just Ukraine, including the

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Baltics who are NATO partners, And
I think that they are standing strong in

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a way that is causing China to
understand that there are those that will stand

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up strong against aggression wherever it takes
place exactly. Well, the longer this

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continues, general, I think most
of us realize that that really opens a

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window for mistakes and an oops,
and we can't afford an here. You

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know was reported here recently where you
know, because of something weird in the

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environment or some reflection or something,
Russia was almost under the impression that there

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was incoming nuclear incoming coming. And
fortunately this one person, this one Russian

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who was in a position to say, WHOA, We're not going to respond

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because, as you know, when
there are threats of this nature, There's

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no question about it. You just
turn the key, you hit the button,

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and rockets red glare. But by
the grace of God, this individual

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held back and saved us from an
international catastrophe. No doubt that would have

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occurred. Well, and I think
all of the blame for all of this

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goes back to one person, and
that is Putin, And we have to

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consider that he is a serial war
criminal. Now likely he probably gave the

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order to burst the damn that we've
been talking about for the last couple of

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weeks that has caused economic, humanitarian, and ecological disasters. But anything that

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stems from this war in Ukraine is
going to be his fault. And I

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really hope that, as the G
seven Communicate provided in its statement after that

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meeting a month ago or so,
that the G seven is committed not just

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to seeing victory in Ukraine, but
rebuilding and reconstructing and finding restitution and ultimately

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punishing those that she should be held
accountable and Putin should be at the top

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of that list. Yeah, without
a doubt, we've got to go to

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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here. Great

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Bill Martinez Show dot com. We're talking

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with General John Tiker, the recently
retired US Air Force General, National Security

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Expert, Assistant Deputy under Secretary of
the Air Force, and International Affairs General.

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We've touched just about on these emerging
threats, but one thing that I

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wanted to especially talk with you,
talk to you about is the emerging threat

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of Iran. Yeah. So,
no, I don't think it's an emerging

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threat. In fact, it's interesting
to consider that if we were to pick

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one country that has been a consistent
threat to US since nineteen seventy nine,

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00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.079
it has been Iran. And I
think if you look at their activities,

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not just there in the Arabian or
Persian Gulf, but in this arc of

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00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:31.159
instability that's included Yemen and Lebanon and
Syria and Iraq, that they have been

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creating havoc in the Middle East for
the better part of my lifetime. And

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00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.599
that is an emerging concern only because
we might not have been paying as much

533
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:46.039
attention as we should. What do
you make of the meddling by the Russians

534
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:53.599
and the Chinese in giving them increased
capacity with their nuclear ambitions. I mean,

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now they're saying that, I mean, they're inside of a month to

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be able to go nuclear with something
that you know, going back to the

537
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.800
Obama administration, supposedly we made this
deal with them so that they would never

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00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.400
be nuclear capable. Well we knew
from the you know, from the get

539
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:14.639
go that that wasn't forthright. Yeah, and so Bill, I think that

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00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.280
it's pretty clear that Iran has had
this nuclear desire for a long time for

541
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.360
a variety of reasons, including prestige. And I do think that there are

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00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.920
relationships that go both ways. Certainly, Iran is helping out Russia with drones

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00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.960
and drone attacks in Ukraine. I
do find it ironic that there is a

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00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:37.320
relationship between China and Iran, going
back to our previous conversation of genocide in

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the western part of China against those
Muslim weakers, and I think that it's

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00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:47.239
extremely ironic that any Muslim nation would
have a relationship with China and light of

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the fact of that genocide. Yeah, without it down and but you know,

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00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.320
you look at the Middle East general
and what has happened in a short

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period of time. I mean,
it seems to be hanging by a thread.

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You've got some mixed alliances that you
never thought, you know, that

551
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.079
you could really conceive your you know, ten twenty years ago. It's there.

552
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.639
It's like a game of musical chairs
and every time the music stops,

553
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:14.079
everybodys changing the chairs and it's like, oh, you are my neighbor,

554
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.280
you know what, You're right.
I mean, there's a lot of self

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00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.760
interest that is going on there,
and conditions change. I do think that

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00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:27.320
this maybe thawing relationship between Iran and
Saudi Arabia is far more superficial than maybe

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00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.480
we are concerned about that. Yes, they have established some level of diplomatic

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00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.519
relationships, but they're certainly not partners
and certainly not allies, but I do

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think that there's some real challenges there, and in almost every case in the

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00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.360
Middle East, that challenges point back
to Iran as a root cause. Right

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well, And speaking of Saudi Arabia, I mean, our relationship has really

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gone sour quickly, and this current
administration seemed to exacerbate the problem. And

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maybe in part, you know,
Saudi Arabia can't wait for us to come

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under new management, that maybe they
can hit the reset button because they're acting

565
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.719
more like foe than friend here recently. Well, and I actually think we're

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treating them more like foe than friend. They have been a steady, reliable

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partner for a long time, and
I think they're tired of our moralizing.

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They're not a Jeffersonian democracy, they
likely never will be, but they have

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been a steady, trustworthy partner in
the region for a long time, and

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I think that we need to stop
moralizing to them in a way that ostracizes

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them and pulls them into the orbit
of others. And we need to realize

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that our mutual interests are very much
aligned in the region, and we need

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to treat them as the reliable partner
that they've been for a long time.

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And you make an excellent point here, general, and that is that you

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know, the United States can't impose
our morality. And I mean that in

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a sense that you know, the
Arabs in the Middle East see the Middle

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Ease different than we do and will
never It's almost like we will never ever

578
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get in alignment. I mean,
this is, as my good friend Bill

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Salas calls it, ancient hatred.
This thing has been going on, you

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know, for millennia, and I
don't know if there's any one person that

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00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.440
could ever, you know, bring
everybody together in some sort of kumbaya,

582
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.880
you know. Event Well, no, not only are there deep historical ties

583
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.719
to some of the animosity, but
they also live in a very rough neighborhood

584
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.079
going back to Iran, but others
in the region, and we have to

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00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.960
realize that they've got to act in
their own best interest. In a lot

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00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.159
of cases, they're not going to
do things in the exact way that the

587
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.320
United States would do them. But
they also live in a context that is

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00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.440
far different than ours. Exactly what
about Syria. Syria seems to be coming

589
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out that you speaking of Arabs embracing
somebody who was regarded as a pariah,

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is now, you know, coming
out and being allowed to play in the

591
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.440
reindeer game, so to speak.
Again. Yeah, so I'm curious to

592
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see how far that actually goes.
Clearly Basharat Sad as a very evil man

593
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.639
as the leader of Syria, but
they also tend to create this vacuum of

594
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:09.039
power in Syria that has caused ISIS
and others to thrive there outside of the

595
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:14.199
authority of the government. And I'm
not exactly sure what the right answer is

596
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.320
with respect to Syria. And if
you think about it, there are Turkish

597
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.480
interests there, there's American interests,
there's Saudi interests, there's Russian interests,

598
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:27.599
and we need to tread carefully there. And I don't mind Assad being invited

599
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.599
to talk to groups within the Middle
East, but we've got to be careful

600
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.880
if it goes anything beyond that well
exactly, I mean, didn't we learn

601
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.880
something from Iraq now? And I
think the comparison there, the metaphor is

602
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valid, But what we really have
to understand is that this is a large

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nation in the middle of the Middle
East that frankly has been undermined in its

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00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.679
legitimacy in a large part by Iran, and we need to tread carefully.

605
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.960
But we also need to realize that
he continues to be a very evil man

606
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.840
with ill intent, and we need
to make sure that he does not create

607
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.440
these lasting partnerships with people that we
actually trust, because then it may actually

608
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.960
undermine our relationship with those other countries. Now, without without a doubt,

609
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.920
general, how about our number one
ally Israel. I mean, going back

610
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:20.119
to the Biden Obama years, Benjamin
Net and Yahoo, it was almost like

611
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.480
they brought him through the backdoor.
Whenever he was in DC. They seemed

612
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.639
to disrespect him at every turn,
but Net and Yahoo, to his credit,

613
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.079
and I will give him credit,
just kind of went along with it.

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But now under the Biden, this
new Biden administration, they seem to

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be rather overt and even trying to
affect some sort of regime change there in

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Israel. And I'll tell you many
Americans that does not sit well with us

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now. And I think that we've
got to realize, as we spoke about

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dangerous neighborhoods, that they live in
the most dangerous neighborhood that there is,

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and Israel is trying their best to
survive, even thrive, and they've done

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so brilliantly. Now for many decades, and we have to again be careful

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about moralizing to others when we realize
that that context is so challenging that to

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some extent we can't even imagine what
net Yahoo and others who lead Israel have

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to go through day by day.
Yeah, exactly, I mean, and

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just as you say, I mean, yeah, it's talking to my good

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friend there, David Rubin, the
former mayor of Shiloh, Israel. I

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mean, he's telling me, you
know, three four thousand bombs a day,

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missiles a day are coming into Israel. I mean, how do you

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live this way now? And it's
tough. And I've got some good friends

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that are f fifteen eye pilots over
there in Israel, and every sorty,

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even if it's a training sorty,
is a combat sorties. You're going to

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get shot at and you might have
to employ that magnificent weapon system against the

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adversary. And I just think that
if we look at the miracle of Israel,

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and truly I believe that it is
a miracle, that we've got to

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do everything that we can to continue
to support them as they try to survive

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and thrive again in that very difficult
neighborhood. Well, only to remind you

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of what Almighty God himself said.
General says, those that bless Israel will

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be blessed. Those who curse Israel
will be cursed. When you look at

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the history of this partnership of the
United States and Israel, when the United

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States blesses Israel, it goes well
for us. When we do things against

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God's intention toward Israel, we find
ourselves in trouble. In fact, this

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has been so documented it is beyond
me why people in the State Department,

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you know, think twice before they
interfere, you know, with Israel and

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try to come up with ideas again
like what we're talking about that are based

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on you know, Western ideas,
but not the reality of what's happening there

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in the Middle East now. And
I do think that we need to be

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mindful of that contingent promise that came
through Abraham. But I also think that

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we need to be mindful of the
very practical reasons why a democratic trusted ally

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in the Middle East like Israel is
one that we always should support. Well.

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Our thing, this is going to
wrap things up for us. And

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General, I gotta tell you,
I am so grateful for your service.

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Number one, what you continue to
do on behalf of all Americans. You've

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been a dedicated servant. Thank you
for coming on the show and doing this.

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I look forward to continuing this dialogue
because it's so critical for our audience

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to get a more current update on
national security issues that are so vital to

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America's interest so general. Again,
thank you for being with us. I

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want to remind everybody for more information
and to be part of this mighty Martinis

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movement to return to God and to
save our country. Check it out Bill

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Martinez Show dot com. May God
bless you and keep you, and make

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His face shine upon you. Go
and be blessed beyond your imaginations.