Biased Media Coverage on Crime

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FOURCY Radio. Well, hello and
welcome. I'm Bill Martinez and we are

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live. Good to have you with
us. We're going to be talking about

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the bias media coverage on crime with
my good friend doctor John Lott, the

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president of the Crime Prevention Center and
author of Gun Control miss who says that

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almost eighty percent of Americans ninety two
percent of Republicans think crime has gone up

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and actually it fell in twenty twenty
three, Doctor John Lott. Welcome,

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Michelle. Good to have you with
us, Sir, great to talk to

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you, Thanks for having me on. Well, whether it's the biased media

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coverage in cabal with the administration and
forget about what our Constitution says, it

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seems that they are both involved in
shredding our constitution and leaving us vulnerable because

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look at let's just deal with the
facts and the reality of and again,

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John, as a key researcher on
this issue, you've got the facts to

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bear against their perceptions, right well, I mean, murder is higher now

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than it was in twenty nineteen,
right before the pandemic went into effect,

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and of course it spiked even higher
during twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.

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And it's not difficult to understand why
that happened. I mean, you had

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judges in many parts of the country
releasing half or even two thirds of the

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inmates from local jails. You had
district attorneys and still have district attorneys in

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many places who were refusing to prosecute
violent criminals. You have police department budgets

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that were cut in twenty twenty,
though recently some places have you know,

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from Austin to Los Angeles to other
places, have reversed the cuts that they

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had made. And you have things
like bail reform going on in the country.

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So it's not particularly surprising if you
make it less risky for criminals to

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go and commit crime. You're going
to have more crime that's going to be

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occurring exactly well, not to mention, you got an open border, an

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open border that has become so dangerous
that even the FBI director has the country

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on red alert. He says that
all the lights are are lit up right

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now when it comes to danger in
our country, right. I mean,

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since and became president, we've had
over ten million illegal aliens center in the

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country. And that's just adding up
to parts of the numbers. There the

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fact that you have people that got
turned in that the border patrol is dealing

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with, and then you have so
called guidaways which they see coming across the

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border but they weren't able to catch. But it doesn't include that. Ten

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million doesn't even include a third category, and that is illegal aliens that we

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never caught and didn't see coming across. And God only knows how many of

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those that are there. Many of
those may be among the very worst that

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you have to worry about. The
ones that come in and turn themselves in

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are probably not ones you need to
worry about. But one of the things

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that's interesting there was a recent Harvard
Harris poll that came out that ask Americans,

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how many illegal aliens do you think
have come across in the last year,

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And it's just unbelievable. You have
you have something like fifty percent of

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Democrats, for example, think that
it's either less than one hundred thousand or

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less than two hundred and fifty thousand, I mean one in the book here,

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Yeah, and one could wish that
it was so few that had come

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across. I mean, you only
have literally maybe ten percent that are talking

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about a couple million or more exactly. And unfortunately, Republicans are also way

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way, way low, not quite
as low as the Democrats are, but

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you have again, you have something
like over thirty percent of Republicans think that

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almost forty percent actually, who think
that less than two hundred and fifty thousand

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illegally have come in. And so, I mean, one could only imagine

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if you had all those Democrats and
all those Republicans and independents who think that,

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you know, less than two hundred
and fifty thousand have come in,

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if you told them that the true
number was, you know, twenty times

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or whatever higher than that exactly,
then what would their reaction be? Well,

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I think it's incredulous to them because
they've been told the border is secure.

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Majorcas has maintained that line. Joe
Biden has maintained that line. The

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media has just like everything else that
we're going to be talking about, the

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bias media is on the Democratic Party
agenda, and so they support the narrative.

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It's amazing to me because you know, there has been you know,

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publicity about you know, cities like
New York for example, and in all

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it takes I mean normally, I
mean normally this time of year, especially

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New York City has flooded with you
know, with visitors, and it's going

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to take them two seconds to figure
out what the heck is going on here.

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First of all, they're hard pressed
to find a hotel room and they're

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all booked up. But they're not
booked up with you know, regular patrons

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that are paying this, right,
it's with the illegal migrants that Joe Biden

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has placed in these hotels. All
right. Well, one of the things

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that's interesting is just these polls show
that Biden's approval rating for things like how

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he's handling the border crisis is in
the twenty percent range, you know,

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which is like unbelievably low. So
yeah, exactly, right. Well,

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if it's in the twenty percent range, and it's people think that you're talking

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about two hundred and fifty thousand or
one hundred thousand or less that have been

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there, one can only imagine,
you know, would it be in single

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digits if people knew that the correct
number was like twenty times higher than that,

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I mean, what would it be? So, you know, so

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one can one can only imagine.
And then, of course, as you

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mentioned, the mainstream media, except
for covering how the Democratic mayors and places

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like New York City and Chicago have
been or DC, had been complaining about

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a few bus loads of illegals showing
up in there. They're cities. I

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mean, compared to the flood in
Texas, you know, it's completely insignificant.

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I mean, you have Eagle Pass, Texas, which has a population

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of like thirty thousand people, has
ten thousand illegal immigrants just camping out in

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their city. You know. You
know, New York City has what eight

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and a half million something like that, and you have you know, they're

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they're upset that they have one hundred
thousand or so that they're having to deal

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with, and so you know,
it's a percentage of their population. It's

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it's trivial compared to what communities from
San Antonio and Egle Pass and El Paso

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and other places are having to deal
with. Yeah, it's just it's so

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overwhelming and and it and you know, the other thing that is not happening,

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and that is their reporting by the
mainstream media of the illegals who are

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murdering America's citizens, right right,
Well, I mean, obviously there are

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a lot of them who aren't criminals, but presumably you want to go and

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identify which ones are criminals and which
one's not in any normal immigration policy that

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you're going to have, and there's
really no controls and and you know,

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they go and ask people what their
name is or whatever, but people could

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be making up names. There's no
way to check people coming in from a

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number of different countries, and they
don't even try checking them. Even people

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that have been on the terror watch
list have been released into the country.

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Uh, you know. And and
when Biden administration officials have testified before Congress

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and members of Congress have asked them, what's happened to the terror watchless people

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that they've released and where are they? They can't tell you where they are.

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Yeah, now there's there's danger all
around here. And meanwhile they continue

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to stonewall and and lie to the
American people about the situation, and uh,

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you know, and and meanwhile,
the other thing is that's going on,

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John, these these migrants they come
across there beholden the cartels. See

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even my orcist doesn't even understand why
they're wearing wristbands. The wristbands is an

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indication as to what part of the
cartel machinery within the United States, you

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know, what their job will be, you know, from human trafficking,

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sex trafficking, fentanyl, drug,
you know, you name it all down

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the line that you know, the
cartels have had a windfall. I think

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last year was something like thirteen billion
dollars. This year we haven't hit the

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registered total button yet, but it's
going to be at least that plus tax

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and license and inflation on top of
it. Right. Well, I mean,

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obviously the cartel in many different ways
has benefited a lot from having these

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open borders. But it's not just
the cartels. You have many smaller operations.

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I mean, when you have very
strict enforcement of the border, it's

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basically only the large cartels that are
very successful in getting large amounts of drugs

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into the States. But now you
have many other players that are becoming enriched,

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and it's going to be hard to
put the genie back in the bottle

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there with all the money that these
organizations are obtaining. But John, see,

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this is just going to add to
the crime rate even more so,

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don't you think I mean not to
mention, you know, we haven't even

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touched on this, and this is
the psychological impact on everyday citizens here.

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You know, you've got people that
you know, are still buying guns and

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they're you know, stocking up ammunition
because danger just seems so imminent. Right

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Well, I mean, there are
lots of different causes for that. I

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was just reading an article earlier today
about how Jews in Los Angeles and of

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course other places in the country are
going out and buying guns. But you

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know, I think what's happening is
people are beginning to wake up and understand

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that, look, if the government's
not able to protect you, and the

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government and the police, while they're
extremely important in reducing crime, the police

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themselves understand that they virtually always arrive
on the crime scene after the crimes occurred.

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And the question is what should people
do when they're having to confront a

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criminal by themselves, and it turns
out that by far the safest course of

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action is to have a gun.
And that's particularly true, I would argue,

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for the most vulnerable people in our
society, people who are relatively weaker

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physically, women and the elderly.
You're almost always talking about young men doing

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the violent crime. The attack there, and when a man is attacking a

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woman as a much larger strength difference
that exists there than when a man is

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attacking another man. And the other
group of people who benefit the most are

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the ones who are the most likely
victims of violent crime, and that overwhelmingly

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tends to be poor blacks who live
in high crime urban areas. You know.

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So we're in this weird world that
you and I have talked about before

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where Democrats have made it difficult for
law enforcement to do its job in many

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areas, and at the same time
they want to make it difficult for people

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to be able to go and protect
themselves. And so the question is what's

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the alternative. I mean, it's
just everything you can do to make it

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easier for criminals to go and commit
crime. And the thing is, you

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know, This isn't rocket science.
If you make it less risky for people

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to go and commit crime, they're
going to go and commit more crime.

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And it's not just the direct victims
of violent crime that are harmed from that.

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What you have is many indirect ways. So it's you know, obviously

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family members of crime victims, but
people tend to commit crimes and areas where

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they live nearby against similar people.
So about ninety of murders of blacks are

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committed by blacks. And so,
you know, democrats may be concerned about

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equity in terms of, you know, making sure that people get to go

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to prison at the same rate for
each population, each group of the population

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there, but the victims of violent
crime tend to be the same types of

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people, poor blacks who live in
high crime urban areas. But it's not

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just that. It's who owns many
of the stores that close down or pay

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the higher prices in those stores,
who works in those stores, who lives

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in those communities whose property values are
depressed because of the higher crime rates that

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occur. All those you know,
Democrats claim that they care about the poor,

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that they care about blacks, that
they care about women, and yet

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the types of policies that they go
and push. Those are the victims.

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Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. We're talking about doctor John Lotte,

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president of the Crime Prevention Research Center
and the author of gun Control. Miss

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John, We've got to you know, the graphs that you had produced regarding

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biased media coverage on crime almost eighty
percent of Americans, ninety two percent of

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Republicans. Then crime has gone up, it actually fell, you say,

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in twenty twenty three. And I
want to pull up the first graph that

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shows the FBI murder rate if you
can explain that to our audience. Right,

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Well, obviously there was a big
increase in murder rates in twenty twenty

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and twenty twenty one. There was
some decline in twenty twenty two, and

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there was an additional decline in twenty
twenty three, but it's still above what

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it was before the pandemic. So
the media is out there talking about the

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big drop, but they seem to
ignore was that there was an even larger

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increase that had occurred in twenty twenty. And the thing is there issues with

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the new FBI data for murder compared
to what it was in twenty nineteen,

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because in the last couple of years. A lot of big cities where a

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lot of the murders have been occurring, haven't been reporting their data to the

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FBI, and so there's some other
people that have tried to collect the data.

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Cities like Los Angeles and New York
didn't report their crime data last year

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to the FBI. Now they still
have it. You can go and look

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down the city websites and you can
go and find it. It just wasn't

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reported to the FBI. So there
are people out there that have gone and

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collected the data that these cities are
putting out there even if the FBI isn't

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getting it. And it looks like
there was a smaller drop in twenty twenty

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three if you use this other data
than the FBI data. In fact,

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if you make a comparison between twenty
twenty three and in twenty nineteen, the

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murder rate was still over seven percent
higher using that data in twenty twenty three

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than it was in twenty nineteen.
Well, John, I mean, this

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just has to drive you nuts as
a researcher because you're sitting there, you

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know, you're thinking you can rely
on the FBI, and they seem to

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be very casual about this, because
then what happens is people will quote these

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numbers because that's why they do this
research. They can help justify their agenda.

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Right. Well, Unfortunately, I
think the FBI. I mean I've

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used FBI crime data for forty years
now, and I've never felt the way

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I do these days about their data. I mean, part of it is

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the fact that I worked at the
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twenty twenty, and you know,
I guess I've gotten to the point where

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I'm skeptical of a lot of different
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Unfortunately, I think there have been
political biases and other things that have

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been there, you know, things
like hate crime data, where you have

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subjective calls about whether to classify something
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think that there are real problems with
I think there's real problems with their active

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shooting reports that get a lot of
media attention. And I think, unfortunately,

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even if it's not as obvious political
bias that's there. I think there

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have been problems with the crime data
over the last couple of years too.

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And you know, and John,
when you when you go to report on

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this and point out the discrepancy.
I mean, my goodness, I would

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think that they would want to listen
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I mean, you're looking at numbers, you're processing data, you're on

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top of it, not some staffer
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congresswoman or senator. You you probably
have forgotten more than they'll ever learn.

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And instead, when you lay the
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you, and you it's sometimes I
have to laugh and I'm going, these

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are the numbers. How can you
review the numbers? Right? Well,

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I worked in the federal government in
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for the US Sentencing Commission, and
more recently I was Senior Advisor for Research

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and Statistics in the US Department of
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in the nineteen eighties, when you'd
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people would fix them. That wasn't
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twenty when I was working there.
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people would either not respond or they
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get people to concede that they were
errors there, they would refuse to fix

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them, things that I point out
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And you know, something like the
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collect that data and you have to
go and you know, they'll hire people

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to go and look at news stories
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people can miss finding all the news
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dollars on something like that. But
you know, it's one thing to miss

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it to begin with. It's another
thing not to fix it when somebody points

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out to you news stories that you've
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that case, it's pretty clear that
they have a political agenda there, because

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the cases that they miss are systematically
cases where people use guns to stop what

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would have been active shooting cases and
anyway. Well, but it seems to

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be, you know, a disease
within the bureaucracy stemming from that old concept

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of it it's good enough for government
work. So whether you're counting votes or

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registering voters. You know, so
what if you got three million dead people

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on their roles? Not that big
a deal. See, So, this

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casual attitude, it permeates every aspect
of you know, of the institutions,

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and so then when we go to
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we want to fix the problem,
your data is compromised. Well, if

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your data is compromised, I got
to believe that's going to have an effect

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on the solution. And is it
not, John Well, I don't know

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how you can even know whether there's
a problem to fix unless you go and

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look at the data that's there.
People have to rely on it, and

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then how you're going to fix it, it's going to be depending upon you

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know, how you measure the problem
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And the only way you can even
test different solutions and look at different

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places that have tried different ways of
fixing things is by seeing how the data

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changes after they've changed their policies.
But it's you know, it's not just

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sloppiness or laziness. I mean,
it may be sometimes that that's the case,

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and that's you know, probably the
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But when you're talking about something like
the active shooting reports, where you

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know, people point out, I
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People nobody needs to believe me about
these things. You can go to our

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website at crimeresearch dot org and if
you go and you click on the links

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at the top for our recent research
there, you'll quickly find our reports on

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active shooting cases exactly. And nobody
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We have the cases that the FBI
is listed. We have like one hundred

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and fifty cases that we say that
they've missed over the nine years from twenty

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fourteen through twenty twenty two, cases
where guns were used to stop these active

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shooting cases. And so there are
two things. One is, it's one

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thing to miss cases, but it
seems very systematic because the cases that they've

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missed are all cases where people use
guns to stop attacks exactly. They also

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misclassified things. You have something like
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Texas in December twenty nineteen. You
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classified the individual who stopped the attack
as a security guard, so they didn't

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chalk it up as a civilian stopping
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at the Department of Justice, I
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He said, you know, maybe
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guard. But basically the minister there
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care permit, just carry and we'll
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There was no additional training, there's
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was no anything. It's just you
were a parishioner, you had a concealed

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carry permit, you were welcome to
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the day that the attack occurred,
they can't even tell you how many permit

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holders were there. They think at
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It's because the church wasn't taking you
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or who wasn't. It was just
anybody who had a permit was able to

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carry there. But on the national
average, John, isn't it about fifteen

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percent of the country has a consial
carry permit. Roughly well, about about

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eight percent of adults in the United
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you remove California and New York from
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ten and a half percent. But
now they're like these twenty seven constitutional carry

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states where you don't need to have
a permit. We've recently put out our

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report on this our annual report,
and we hired McLaughlin and associates to go

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and do a survey of whether people
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about fifteen point six percent of adults
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said that they carried concealed handguns for
protection. And that's that's quite a significant

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increase from a Pew survey that was
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you know, you have a situation
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explain the number of people who carry
based on the costs. I'll give you

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a simple example. Compare Illinois in
Indiana. In Indiana, about twenty three

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percent of the adult population is a
concealed carry permit. In Illinois it's about

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four percent. Why the difference,
Well, in Illinois, if you add

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up the cost of the fees and
the training and what have you, you're

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talking about something that's like four hundred
and fifty dollars to go and get a

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concealed carry permit. In Indiana,
it's literally zero dollars. They don't even

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charge you for doing the background check. There. We make it more costly.

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You get pure people who are going
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you know, just simple economics there, But it's more than that because

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it not only affects the number of
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mix of people who carry. So
in Illinois, it's basically wealthy people who

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live in the suburbs who are carrying
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see a lot more people with permits
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And you know, just so if
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to make it risky for criminals to
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people carrying, the greater the reduction. But it matters who's carrying. I

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can't have one hundred percent of the
population carrying, but if it's in an

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area where there's no crime, I'm
not going to get any reduction in crime.

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They have them carrying in the high
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you're going to get a much smaller
reduction in crime because you have fewer people

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carried. But I think even more
important, the people who are carrying are

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carrying in areas where there's not a
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only do you have a lot more
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are the most likely victims carrying,
and so you're making it riskier, much

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riskier for criminals to attack people in
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Well, and the other thing too, in terms of like a bell

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curve shape here, John, I
would think would exist is that, Yes,

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in these areas where you know,
these wealthier areas and they're able to

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afford the costs of a gun and
all the licensing and everything like that,

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I can imagine in the in the
poorer areas, that's where you've got people

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that you know, have guns,
but they don't care about no stinking law.

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You know, they're just going to
carry the gun because, you know,

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because they're criminals. Right Well,
I mean that's the problem. You

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know. You go and you pass
these laws, and it's something you and

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I have talked about many times.
You have to be careful that the law

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doesn't primarily disarm law abiding, good
citizens to take something simple like these gun

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free zones that you have. You
and I have talked about this, and

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it's something that really upsets me.
You know, talk about media bias.

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The media just refuses, just absolutely
refuses to go and cover what these murders

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say in their manifestos and diaries about
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Over and over again. They explain
that they want to commit suicide,

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but they want to go to a
place where they can kill lots of people

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because they want to get media coverage. And they know that the more people

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they can hill, the more media
coverage that they're going to get. If

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they go to a place where their
victims are not able to defend themselves,

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they're going to be able to go
and kill more people and get more media

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coverage. But the thing is,
take something like the Nashville school shooting earlier

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this year, right, if you
or I carried a gun into a school

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zone, we'd be facing six years
in prison. Well six years in prison,

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your life, my life would be
completely changed as a result of that.

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But let's say you're the murderer there
who murdered six people, and assuming

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that they had lived, Okay,
they died at the scene, but and

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as often the case, but let's
say that they had lived, they'd be

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facing six life sentences or six death
penalties. Would an additional six years matter

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to them? You're saying, Wow, you know you're going to take six

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years from their seventh life there,
you know that that's good. That's going

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to stop them. They're going to
be concerned about that. I mean,

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it's ridiculous. It represents no real
additional penalty for those individuals, okay,

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compared to a law abiding citizen there
whose life would be completely demolished if they

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did. So, what does the
law do. I understand the desire behind

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the law. I understand the desire
is to create a safe area. But

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what happens is the oppos because because
the murderer there knows that the victims will

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be defenseless, because it represents a
big penalty for them if they were to

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go and have a gun. But
the murderer takes advantage of that. The

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murderer talks about that and their diaries
and manifests those saying, you know,

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they know that their victims are going
to be defenseless, and that will allow

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them to kill more people and therefore
get more media coverage. And so it

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Actually, these gun free zones actually
serve as a magnet exactly to go and

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do these attacks. Just put a
target all over these gun free zones.

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That's why I told you the story
here in Florida when I went to a

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theater and they had signs all over
the front of the building this is a

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gun free zone. I went to
the manager, I said, do you

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realize what you're doing with that?
Well it's company. Well no, you've

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just put a crosshair a target on
every one of the patrons here. Needless

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to say, I ignored their stink
and sign. I'm not going to be

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in that kind of situation. And
now I just all together, I just

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don't go to that theater. It's
just absolutely stupid that they would do that.

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And then, speaking of manifestos,
we still haven't got the full manifesto

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from what happened in Nashville. A
little bit leaked out, but three page

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points. Yeah, but to your
point, you know, she decided not

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to. I mean, the reason
she picked that one school was because she

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knew that there wasn't anybody there that
was going to fire back at her the

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other school that she had picked it. You know, she realized the mall

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right, exactly, she was gonna
have a b right, No, it's

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exactly. I mean the Nashville police
chief, who did get a look at

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the diary there, made the exact
point that you're making. He said,

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that the murderers original primary target had
been had been the nearby mall there,

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but that they had looked into it
and realized that people had guns concealed handguns

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and would be there to stop them. And so the murder there, you

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know, therefore picked the school for
precisely the reason that you say that they

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knew that there wasn't gonna be anybody
there to go and stop them. Right.

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Well, John in uh, you
know at your website you evaluate well

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you basically you read that you collected
the data that evaluated President Biden and handling

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crime and law enforcement issues. I
want to bring that to graph up now.

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And this is a national survey of
eight hundred and ninety two US likely

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voters was conducted between December sixth and
seven. And this was just this year,

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December sixth and seventh and the tenth
of twenty twenty three, and Rasmussen

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reported the following. So go ahead
and explain to our audience how that came

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out. Right. Well, you
know, Americans, even people who are

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you know, considered Democratic supporters,
are pretty much down on how well Biden

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has been doing with regard to crime. Some of the things that I find

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particularly interesting is that the people who
are most upset are basically poor people,

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people, people with relatively low educations, the people that you think are most

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likely victims of violent crime. The
people who don't aren't as upset are people

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who are graduate school education, people
who make like over two hundred thousand dollars

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a year. And you know,
so you have a group of people that

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are kind of isolated from the problems
that they're creating for others. You know,

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they live in their safe communities and
what have you. But the people

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who actually have to live with the
outcomes from these solutions are the ones who

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are who are most concerned about the
problems that are there. Well, what

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do you make John, I mean, you've got DC experience, and when

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we've got lawmakers that have been you
know, cars have been you know,

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they've been car drected. You know, so some of this stuff is starting

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to come home, you know,
to these lawmakers that you know, that

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have created I would say, in
a lot of ways, they've created a

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lot of the problem. Right.
Well, I mean, and you've seen

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some reversal, uh, you know, a significant reversal in things like uh

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uh police funding. Police funding had
been cut in a number of places and

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they've reversed that. You know,
how can they recoverage? But how can

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they recover? John? I mean
you when you do this kind of damage

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to everyday people. I mean,
these are you know, law enforcement officers.

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Uh, you know, with a
lot of experience, and you put

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them under this kind of pressure.
You have a situation like what what happened

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with Derek Chauvin uh and other things
that have happened. Uh in terms of

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the prejudice against law enforcement. Uh, these guys are going, hey,

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you know what, I'm going to
go in the life insurance business. Uh.

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I don't need to put my livelihood
and you know, my retirement on

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the line for people that are not
going to appreciate me. Right. Well,

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I mean you can hire new officers
and train them. I mean,

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it may not happen instantly that you're
going to be able to replace the people.

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Plus it takes, you know,
a couple of years for officers to

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get the experience that they need to
kind of be as effective as they would

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be. But you know, to
be honest, I think one of the

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reasons why people in these cities they
wanted to drive out a lot of the

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older officers there and one of the
reasons why I think they wanted to do

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that is if you look at surveys
of police officers, you find that they

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tend to be extremely conservative on lots
of issues, including gun control and what

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have you. And I think part
of what was going on is that the

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liberals the Democrats who were running these
areas, thought that they could bring in

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new young officers that they could go
and train with the views that they want

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them to have, and they could
get rid of the older officers. And

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I think you know that they've been
part of what they were thinking. Well,

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well, John, look at you
know, you kind of touched on

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this a little bit, and maybe
we can unwrap this a little bit more

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because you know your research, you're
looking outside of the United States and seeing

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what other countries, what they've done
in Europe with this, and they seem

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to be a little bit more objective, at least in my humble opinion,

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what I'm reading is that they're giving
you real numbers where the kind of information

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that you get here in this country, as evidenced by this media report,

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it is quite biased. What's what's
your determination based on what you're seeing that's

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happening overseas versus what's happening here in
America. I mean, Europe has had

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increases in violent crime. They've had
a large influx of immigrants into the area

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there, many of them illegal.
And you know, Europe though, has

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better data in terms of kind of
monitoring the number of people that have been

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coming into their countries, usually because
it's at the country level and there has

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been research out there. I did
something for real clear investigations recently, but

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basically, the countries that have had
the biggest increases in illegal immigration have had

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the biggest increases and murder rates r
and so you can go and do that

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type of study. In the United
State, we don't know. You know,

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it's hard enough to get data on
the number that are coming into the

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country, but to go and get
it broken down at the state level,

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it's pretty much non existent exactly.
So you know, what you'd like to

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try to do is to go and
to see whether those states in the US

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which have had the biggest increases in
illegal immigrants, how their crime rates have

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changed. But unfortunately, as I
say, that data is not readily available.

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Well, John, what about in
terms of you know, these crimes

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and these murders that involved involved guns. I mean, because a lot of

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these countries they've outlawed guns. I
mean, you can't have a gun,

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you know. I mean it's you
know, concealed carry in you can't have

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won legally. But right, so, okay, a couple points one is

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over ninety two percent of violent crime
in the United States has nothing at all

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to do with guns in any way. I know there's so much discussion about

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gun crime. President Biden talks about
it constantly, but you know, it

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seems to me, whether somebody is
assaulted or harmed with a gun or without

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a gun, you know, a
woman's right without a gun or rape with

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it, it's you know, it's
pretty bad in either case. And you

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know, the way you reduce gun
crime generally is the same way that you

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go and reduce this other ninety two
percent of violent crime, and that is

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you make it risky for criminals to
go and commit crimes. Unfortunately, President

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Biden, you will search in vain
to find him criticizing the district attorneys that

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have been releasing inmates. You won't
find any discussions about him about bail reform.

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You won't find any discussions of him
criticizing liberal judges that have been releasing

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these large numbers of inmates. As
I said earlier, in many urban areas

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in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and even the beginning of twenty twenty

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two, you'd see, you know, in some urban areas half or even

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two thirds of the inmates being released
from jails. There. No, it's

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you know, it's a real problem. Yeah, here you are. You're

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in a sense, you're importing,
kind of like what we've done with our

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open borders, were importing in some
cases, you say, hatred and evil

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into it. And then now all
of a sudden you open up the floodgates

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and you have people who already have
problem issues with their criminality, and you

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just dumped them. You dumped them
into a society. I mean, what

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is all that about? Somehow,
I guess for the sake of equity or

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justices they perceive it. But this
is a serious experiment, and it seems

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that with the Democratic Democratic Party,
especially John, that they like to operate

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in the realm of the theoretical.
You know, everything's on a theory with

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them. But the deal is is, after everything is all said and done,

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as you mentioned, you're hard pressed
to get the data to say,

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Okay, let's you know, we
did this based on your theory and we

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went into this grand experiment. What's
the results. There's no accountability on this,

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and so how can you determine whether
or not you made the right or

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wrong decision and what adjustments you need
to make. Meanwhile, you're leaving the

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citizens, you know, buck naked
and exposed here right. Well, look,

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I mean the relationship seems pretty clear
to me and to you. You

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know, if you want to reduce
crime, you have to make it risk

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here for criminals to go and commit
crime. It's pretty much it's not just

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John. I mean, you know
you've said that several times. And I

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hope our audience, hope the viewers
are catching this. This isn't in a

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lot of ways. It's not rocket
science, is it, right. Look,

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anybody who's had a dog or a
child or something like that, if

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a dog does something wrong, you
punish them. You don't reward them for

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doing it. If you want the
dog to stop doing it, you have

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to make it clear to the dog
that it's not behavior that makes you happy,

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okay, and that there are consequences
to the dog for doing that.

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And if the dog doesn't think that
there are any consequences, or it thinks

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that they're going to be able to
get away with that behavior. Then you're

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going to have more of that undesired
behavior that's going to be there. The

519
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same thing is true with kids.
I mean, maybe it's just as simple

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as letting the kid know that you're
really disappointed in what they're doing, but

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it has to be some type of
consequence there, or you're going to get

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more of that bad behavior. Yeah, you kind of you kind of wonder

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maybe the Liberals never had any kids, or maybe they didn't know how to

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raise their kids or something. I
have no idea, but it just,

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you know, it's a puzzle that
people don't seem to understand this view.

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I mean, I can't tell you
the number of Soros prosecutors that I've heard

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make the statement that, you know, putting people in prison or jail for

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going in committing crimes, you know, doesn't have any effect on the crime

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rate. You know that they think
that they can cut the prison population by

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half or two thirds or whatever and
there won't be any consequence. You know.

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One of the things that happened during
the pandemic, as I say,

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you had these liberal judges releasing large
numbers of inmates. But you know,

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the bizarre thing was, I mean, we knew pretty early on, even

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surely by the fall of twenty twenty, that COVID was really only a problem

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for people who were elderly or who
had certain comorbidities. The types of people

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that you have in jails in prison
aren't that way. I mean, the

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overwhelming majority of people who are in
jails in prison are you know, like

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eighteen twenties, you know, early
thirties. You know, that's the vast

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majority of people who are in jail
there and so, and the vast majority

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of those are healthy physically, and
so. You know, it's but those

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were the ones who were largely being
released. And it doesn't make any sense

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to me why, you know.
But yet, even though we knew that

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those were not the people who were
susceptible to this, you still had liberal

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judges and whatever who were still willing
to go and release them. They viewed

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it as, unfortunately, I think, more as you know, something that

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they could use as an excuse to
accomplish the policy goals that they wanted to

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accomplish. Well, look at the
disaster of the summer of love. How

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many billions of dollars were just you
know, vapored businesses, destroyed, jobs

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lost across the country. It's just
absolutely heartbreaking what's happened. And this was

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all, you know, exacerbated by
these liberal judges and prosecutors that kept doing

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exactly what you've cited, is they
incentivized all this bad behavior. And even

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in California, I mean, you
could smash and grab up to one thousand

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dollars without any accountability. And I
mean it's crazy to watch this on television,

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John, and you say, wait
a minute, this cannot be happening

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in America. Oh, yeah,
it's happening. And that's why all these

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businesses are moving out of these big
cities. Yeah. No, they're closing

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down your places like San Francisco,
where you kind of wonder, you know,

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where you're gonna get a Walgreens or
a CVS. And even when they

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00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:23.719
do have those stores, everything is
locked up behind glass cases, so to

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00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:30.239
try to prevent people from stealing things. It's really and of course that's more

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00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.760
costly. It slows down how quickly
you can go and buy things in a

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store because you have to wait for
somebody to come by and lock the cabinet

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for you. You can't go and
read the you know, the print on

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00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.800
the package to kind of find out
whether it's really the type of thing that

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you want to get or not.
I'll tell the people that are perpetrating the

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smashing grab they don't care about any
label. And there isn't some little little,

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simple little lock that's going to lock
up that glass shelf. It's going

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to slow them down. I mean
it, It is so absurd on so

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many levels. You're exactly right,
John, We got to leave it there.

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As always, we appreciate all the
information and what you've shared with us

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today. Remind people where they can
go to stay on top and you know,

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follow the issues in this coming year. Well thanks and merry Christmas.

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But people can go to our website
at crimeresearch dot org. Crimeresearch dot org,

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and you know, at once every
two weeks we send out an email

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to let people know about the research
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I hope people will consider signing up
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doesn't do us any good to do
the research on these various topics unless you

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00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.719
know, the whole point of it
is to kind of educate people on them.

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Exactly. And oh yeah, by
the way, there's a donate button,

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so if you need to do something
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donate, donate and help the cause
here because of the great work that they're

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doing on behalf of we the people. Doctor John Lott, thank you so

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much. God bless you, and
Merry Christmas to you, buddy. Take

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care. Thank you for being there, Bill, Thank you, you got

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it. Doctor John Lott, president
of the Crime Prevention Research Center and author

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of Gun Control miss Thank you so
much for sharing a part of your day

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with us, for you know,
tuning in. And may God bless you

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and keep you, may make his
face shine upon you, may be gracious

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unto you and give you peace.
Thanks again, Merry Christmas. Take care,