March 3, 2025

Are DOGE's Numbers Adding Up? And the Attorney Author, and Columnist Asks, Are We In A Constitution

Are DOGE's Numbers Adding Up? And the Attorney Author, and Columnist Asks, Are We In A Constitution

Dr Michael Busler, The public policy analyst, economics expert and a professor of finance takes a closer look at DOGE's numbers and let's us know how realistic is a DOGE Dividend? Then, Leslie Corbly, author of Silent Suffering: Poems of Pain and...

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Season 2

Dr Michael Busler, The public policy analyst, economics expert and a professor of finance takes a closer look at DOGE's numbers and let's us know how realistic is a DOGE Dividend? Then, Leslie Corbly, author of Silent Suffering: Poems of Pain and Purpose, is an author, anti-feminist attorney, and columnist. And she's asking if we are in a constitutional crisis, as some of the left would suggest? Plus, the battle between emotions and facts.

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Well, hello and welcome. Good to have you here.

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I'm Bill Martinez, and we are live and we've got

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a great show planned for you today. Get doctor Michael Butler,

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the econ expert and professor, is going to be joining

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us to talk about all things DOZE. Right, are the

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numbers adding up?

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You know?

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Do we have expectations that are realistic? I mean, there's

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just been so much much excitement about DOZE, and I

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think that you know, a lot that we expected in

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terms of the waste and fraud in that in our

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government is coming.

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To be true.

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But can we really get down to the bottom number,

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can we really be able to penetrate the bureaucracy in

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such a way that we can, you know, really understand

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how much actual waste that we're talking about. I mean,

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more and more as I look at these numbers, the

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projected true trillion. I mean, at one point I thought, gosh,

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there's the way this thing is going. We could probably

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find three trillion dollars or more, you know, in terms

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of you know, fraud and waste. But I think we're

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going to be lucky to find uh, you know, a trillion.

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Maybe I don't know. I mean, it's just it's hard

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to tell because some numbers come out and then they're corrected,

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and you know, it's very dynamic and very fluid as

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to what's going on. And of course you know the

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government has planned it that way. It's it's rather been,

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you know, rather purposeful. I mean, you think about all

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the shenanigans, for example, that we experienced with the Biden

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family fraud situation, that they had ten different sources of

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revenue how they were coming in, and it's not sources

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of revenue, but just where the banking the way it

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was kind of convoluted in such a way. I mean

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bo' donald's had said that, you know, with his experience

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in dealing with money laundering. This is very typical. This

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is what they do, and so a lot of slight

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of hand, a lot of confusion, you know. And in

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the cases of what we've heard from Doze and from

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Elon Musk, you know, accounting principles they're just out the door.

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I mean, clearly the institutions have been very happy to

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you know, kind of hide the peece so to speak,

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you know, and the shells moving.

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It's a bit of a shell game.

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So will we ever get down, you know, to the

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bottom and find out exact exactly I don't. I don't know,

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But more and more I become increasingly skeptical because the

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bureaucracy is so well established, it's so big. I mean,

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we still can't figure out certain obvious things, you know,

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even the most recent assassination attempt on President Trump, so

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many details still out there. So you know, the government

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has a way of hiding the piece, so to speak,

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and it's going to make it difficult. And you know,

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the hope that maybe we would all get a five

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thousand dollars dividend because of this found money. Hey, don't

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go go spending the check yet, Okay, it's what i'd recommend,

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So let's slow it down. We'll talk with Michael Butler

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about that, and then also we're going to be talking

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with Leslie Corby. Leslie is a she's a self proclaimed

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anti feminist attorney. She's an author and columnist, and she asked,

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are we in a constitutional crisis? I mean, this is

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kind of the language of the left every time, you know,

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something doesn't go their way, and of course right now

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it hasn't gone their way for a while, and you know,

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that's all they can talk about is the sky is falling.

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You know, the sky is falling.

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It's like Pinky lear, No, it's not falling, but everything

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is a constitutional crisis. And the constitutional crisis that they're

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noting seems to be coming from their end, you know,

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the interruption and disruption of what they're doing in terms

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of a smooth transition of wanted misstration to another. You know,

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the left, the Democrats don't like the policies of the

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Republicans anymore of the Republicans like the policies of the Democrats. Well,

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the American people didn't like the policy of the Democrats either,

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and they voted quite clearly right said hey, get that

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out of here.

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Donald Trump's our guy.

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We want him to come in and straighten this mess up,

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and they gave him the mandate.

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Said go, you know, go correct it.

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We believe that you're the guy who's going to be

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able to take care of the border crisis that we've

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been experiencing, take care of inflation, take care of the

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energy crisis, get us back a foothold of energy to

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where we could become you know, beyond energy independent, become

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energy dominant, and then also, uh, you know, improve our

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standing on the world stage. Now, there were some things

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that Donald Trump could do pretty quick, and he's been

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able to do that quite effectively. And hear, what about

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six weeks so this administration roughly. I mean, it's amazing

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what he's been able to accomplish. But some of these

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other things like uh, you know, like dealing with you know,

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dealing with you know, with inflation, these are Biden's numbers still.

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In fact, you know, our guest, doctor Michael Bustler is

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with us right now. Let's bring Michael on and he

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can break that down a little bit more, doctor Michael Butler,

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welcome to the show.

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Good to have you with us, sir, Well.

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Hi Bill, Thanks for having me, as you know, it's

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always my pleasure to be here.

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Well, Michael, we talk about where Trump is right now,

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moving at the speed of Trump on Trump time, and

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you know, the thing is is that people are getting

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you know, it's kind of amazing.

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You know how I guess how impatient we are as

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a nation.

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You know, we think Trump's going to come in and

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fix inflation right away, But what he's dealing with is

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still cleaning up the mess that Biden left behind, right exactly.

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And in order to clean up this mess, it's going

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to take him a little bit of time. Every thing

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else he can do quickly, he's done quickly, and he's

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moving as fast as he can. But let's look at it.

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Why is it that we have such high inflation and

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it is so stubborn and hard to get down to

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where we'd like it? Three main reasons for it. One,

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when the Biden administration, literally the first day was sworn

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into office, he took action to significantly decrease the supply

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of energy, and when you decrease the supply of any energy,

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the price goes up. He canceled the Keystone pipeline. He

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made permitting process more difficult. You can't drill on federal lands.

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All that decreased production of oil and gasoline, and the

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decrease in spy led the higher prices. Now people are

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going to argue, back, wait a minute, at the end

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of Biden's term, he was producing more than when he started,

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and that's true, but we had a big drop in production,

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and gradually over the four years they were able to

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increase somewhat. But had he not taken that action, we

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would have probably be producing between a million and a

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million and a half barrels per day more than we

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are currently producing. And that's what Trump is trying to do.

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So it takes a little time to do that, but

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I would estimate by the middle of the third quarter

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of this year you're going to start to see energy

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prices drop significantly. So that's the first reason we had.

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Well thether thing too, Michael.

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Can we say anything about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve that

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Biden emptied?

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Yeah?

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Remember Trump filled that up with extremely cheap oil. As

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a matter of fact.

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Didn't they pay us for it.

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I was just going to say that much of that

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during COVID and nobody was taking any oil, and the

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oil producing nations need to have the tankers loaded and

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get back to put more oil on. Nobody would take oil.

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The price of oil plummeted so low that the oil producers,

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the foreign oil producers, said we'll pay you to take

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the oil. They paid US thirty seven dollars a barrel

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to unload their ships. And Trump said, well, I would

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have filled up the oil reserve. So Biden in order

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to keep the price of energy down as low as

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he could, and his actions drove it way up. But

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to soften that a little bit, he started emptying the

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strategic reserve. It's now less than half full. That could

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create some problems further down the road.

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And wasn't that against the law, though, Michael, Because the

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only time you can go into the strategic reserve is

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with an emergency. I guess the Democratic Party perceived the

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midterm elections as an emergency, right.

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He declared a national emergency when energy prices were going

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up that high. He tried to get oil from Venezuela two,

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which is a little strange, but so he took some

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out of the reserve and he declared an emergency so

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he could do that. So the first reason we had

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inflation was energy. Second reason massive increases in government spending

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in twenty nineteen. Between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty four,

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there was a fifty percent increase in government spending from

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four point five trillion up to nearly seven trillion. Since

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we didn't have that money, that became borrowed money, so

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it created a huge deficits every year, a massive public debt.

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But all that excess demand in the economy pulled prices up,

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so it is the second reason we had inflation. Third

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reason was the Federal Reserve just fell asleep when energy started.

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When prices inflation started going up in January of twenty

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twenty one, and that's when it started. For a year

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and a half, the Federal Reserve did absolutely nothing. They said,

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don't worry, it'll go away by itself. It's transitory, transitory. Well,

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obviously that didn't work, and finally in June of twenty

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twenty two, they said that didn't work. We're going to

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have to drastically increase interest rates, which they did. It

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brought inflation down, and then for some reason it wasn't

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down to the two percent target, although it was close

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down to two point four percent, and then for some

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reason they started cutting interest rates in September, November, and

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December of last year, as I said it would do,

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it did now. The inflation went from two point four

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up to three percent. So Trump will eventually replace the

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chair of the Federal Reserve, but he can't do that

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until next February. In the meantime, he's going to dramatically

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increase the supply of energy. That will bring the price down,

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not going to You won't see it until towards the

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end of this year because it takes time, but he'll

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do that. And secondly, he's going to drastically cut government spending.

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And with Elon Musk and through DOGE, he's finding billions,

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tens of billions, maybe hundreds of billions of dollars we're

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spending on literally stupid things. So we're going to cut

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all that. And by reducing the government spending, by increasing

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the supply of energy and bringing energy prices down. Can't

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deal with the FED until you get somebody else in there.

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But just those two things will bring inflation down. I

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wrote in Newsmax this morning, No worries. The long term

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economic outlook looks very rosy. So in the next few

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months we're going to see some not so good numbers,

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inflation may and chuck a little bit. The economy is

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starting to slow down. Third fourth quarter last year, GDP,

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which had been growing at a three percent rate, dropped

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two point three percent. Last year, we had the largest

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number of bankruptcies ever in by business ever in the US,

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So things are starting to slow down. But Trump will

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get rid of these regulations that stop business from expanding

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and stop new businesses from starting. He'll reduce the cost

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of energy, which makes it much easier for business and consumers.

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And he'll drastically cut government spending and try as best

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soon as as possible. Now we're running at two trillion

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dollar deficits, so that's going to take some time.

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finance at Stockton University in New Jersey. Doctor Michael Bust

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is our guest. Michael, with all these pressures you know

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on our economy, I mean, you know, I like your

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temperate approach on this that it's going to take some

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time in order to get there because we're still getting

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through what Joe Biden did not to mention the fact

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that he exacerbated the problem on his way out, according

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to you know, according to the government, is that he

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spent close to a trillion dollars out of nowhere that

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was just kind of wasted. I mean, it's almost like

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he was pitching a fit and was just throwing gold

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bars over the you know, over the rails here as

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he was leaving Dodge.

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before it gets spent, he's stopping this. So that's part

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of what he's going to do to reduce this of

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the government spending. The other thing Biden did was, I

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guess he did this through executive He said he can't

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drill on lands in the water around the US and

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the Gulf of Mexico.

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get around as he renamed it, the Gulf of America.

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he can to reverse and it's going to take time.

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court system takes time to operate. But he's going to

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do everything he can to turn American energy companies loose,

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and to turn American enterprise loose and let the American

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spirit drive this big increase in American production, which will

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bring energy prices down, will bring inflation down, will create

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job opportunities for all well prepared Americans. As I wrote

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in my column today, the economic golden years are right around.

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The corner, and the Democrats and those on the left

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are doing everything they can, Michael, to impede that. In fact,

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to your point here, I was reading where there are

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one hundred I think over one hundred federal lawsuits against

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if we don't get the Supreme Court to come in

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and put a stop to this nonsense, I mean, because

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we're burning time here. Trump only has four years. He

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has less than four years in which to do the

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people's bidding, and the American people need to take note

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as to who's for us and who's against us.

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Whose side the Democrats are on. They just everything is

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not Trump. They just want to get back in power.

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American people, and that's what they're supposed to be for

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actions that benefit greatly the American people. So I'm not

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quite sure what their logic is except they just want

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to get Trump out and get some of their people

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emotion cannot trump my facts. And the facts, common sense

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fact are quite clear. But and all the Democrats can

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do right now because that's what they got away with

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for so long. The mainstream media, social media, the cabal

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that was going on. At every turn, they supported, you know,

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this narrative, and it was all based on emotion. Well,

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you know, at some point, you've got to pay the bills,

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and the Democrats came up and they came up empty.

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They didn't have the money to pay the bills.

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And the Democrats will continue to play on emotions even

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tomorrow during Trump's speech. Look, the federal government employs over

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two million people. We don't need all of those people

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to get all the job the job done. Remember when

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Elon Musk bought Twitter, he reduced the workforce by seventy.

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the old Parido principle, right, that twenty percent will give

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you eighty percent of the yield. And so he cuts

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down his labor force there at X was then Twitter,

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and he cuts it down twenty percent, and it was

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like he didn't miss a step.

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It's still operating very efficiently. And Trump, I mean Musk

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has his band of techno nerds and they go in

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there and they say, look, we can modernize all this.

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the technology that we have today. We don't need two

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million people. So what are the Democrats going to do.

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been laid off by the government already. They're going to

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bring them into the into Congress tomorrow night and say, look,

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this is what the Trump has done. These people have

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all lost their jobs. What are they going to do.

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Here's a pregnant mom who is going to lose her

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health insurance. So they're going to try to appeal on emotions.

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But the fact is we can't afford all of these people.

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Our taxes are already too high. The public debt is

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thirty six trillion dollars. Now people say, well, what does

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that mean, well thirty six trillion. The interest alone is

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over nine hundred billion dollars. Now soon they hit a

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trillion dollars. We can't afford to spend that much money,

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number one, and number two, If the government is pulling

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all this money out of capital markets, we're going to

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end up with a capital shortage, so companies won't be

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able to grow. We can't kick the can down the

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road anymore. Every president since Ronald Reagan has kicked the

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can down the road in terms of the deficit and

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the debt. We're at the end of the road. We

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need to do something now, not just with a scalpel.

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putting this before it really turns into a serious problem

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that we can't handle. And what don't we tell our

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kids and our grandkids You have to somehow figure this

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out out there.

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and this is where leadership is so required. And when

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you think of the leadership that's out there, who but

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Trump can communicate with the American people to say, look it,

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there's going to be some pain here in River City.

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be transitory, it's not going to be long term. I

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think that had Biden had a plan, for example, with

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the whole climate agenda, and they've been going on for

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decades on this, if they said, look it, it's going

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to be worth the investment, you know, even if you

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said trust me, you know, you might even be you

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might even believe that there could be that possibility. They

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didn't even give us that that kind of consideration. They

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just shoved it down our throats and they mandated what

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kind of car we're going to drive, what kind of

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light bulb we're going to screw into our into our lamps,

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and what kind of stove we're going to have in

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the kitchen. I mean, it was absurd for what gain?

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What after all that they imposed upon us, are we

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they don't consider the long term right, and they put

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things in say let's fix this, let's fix that, and

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they don't consider the long term. Well, now, the long

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term's coming and all of their policies are causing more

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harm than benefit to us. And it's a good thing

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Trump got in when he did another four years or

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so of these policies would have put America into such

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a deep hole. I don't know how we'd be able

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to get out of it. And you know what I

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admire most about Trump. You know, you have to love

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the policies. Now, a lot of people say, well, you know,

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it has a lot of personality flaws. He's always criticizing

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people and saying things we all I was going to say,

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if that's the worst problem, I think we're in good shape.

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But Trump's coming in and he's saying, you know, prior administration,

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they say, well, we have a spending problem. Well, let's

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form a bipartisan committee. We'll take a look at this

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in Congress. We'll present a plan, the Congress will let

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both parties debate it, and then we'll come up and

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maybe by the end of the year we'll be able

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to come up with something. And what they've done in

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the past, they said, look, you know, we spent so

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much last year, we're going to increase spending by five

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percent this year. You're right, we'll cut it down to

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three percent. So we've cut the budget, is what they say.

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in today and I'm cutting everything some agencies. It looks

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like we don't need any of it. So what Musk

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is saying, let's cut everything out and the things that

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are important, let's add back rather than keeping this big

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monstrosity and trying to cut down. We need Donald Trump

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right now and it's a good thing for America that

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we have them.

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glimpse as to what's going on, you know, based on

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what you and I were talking about in terms of

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emotion versus fact. You know, I remember reading a book

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on Harold Jannine, the former president of ITT. I mean,

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this guy was unbelievable. Talk about the CEO of CEOs.

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I think he ran over one hundred and forty companies,

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Michael and I mean, it was amazing. And what he

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would always say whenever he came into a roup is

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just give me the facts. I want to know the facts, right.

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He didn't have time for all the fluff, the emotion.

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Just give me the facts. And that's how you're able

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to run one hundred and forty I think over one

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hundred and forty companies that he ran. And Donald Trump,

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what we saw in the Oval office with one Zelensky

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was that Zelensky came with emotion. Trump had facts and

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the party's over.

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the facts on exactly how much we're spending, not how

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much you think we spend and we're hiding some here

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and stuff. Give me the facts. And when you look

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at the facts, we don't need to spend all this money,

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and we're not going to spend it. We're not going

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through Congress, we're not going to have committees. We're just

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going to say, he's the executive branch. Congress authorizes the spending,

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the executive branch spends it. We're not spending any any

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of this money anymore. We'll cut it out and where

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the need truly is will add that back in. That's

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going to have very positive results going forward.

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And that's what I'm hearing. I'm not hearing that everything

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is just going to go away, absolutely, but cerrely. But really,

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some of this stuff is so silly that it's bipartisan disapproval.

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You know, spending you know, millions of dollars for condoms

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and you know, and.

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Twenty million dollars for twenty million to build sesame Street

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in Iraq. I mean, American taxpayers can't afford that.

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Musk.

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we're spending money on, and you just have to scratch

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your head and say, how long has this been going on?

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And how many billions of dollars and hundreds of billions

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of dollars have we spent? That's coming out of our pocket.

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It's not somebody else's money. It's coming out of our pocket.

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They've been in my pocket long enough, they've gone into deeply.

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least most of us do that we want this ridiculous Yeah,

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you look at.

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The Michael, A majority of the American said they've had

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it because the thing is what they're seeing and they

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don't know quite the whole truth is, yes, it's out

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of your pocket and it's going to these NGOs and

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these other interests. But then it comes back to these

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government officials to re elect democrats. I mean, it is

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a mess. And if we know the whole truth, I mean,

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people are really going to be upset even more than

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they are right now. Doctor Michael Butler has been our guests.

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We always appreciate Michael on the show to give us clarity.

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He's the public policy analyst, economics expert, and professor of

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finance at Stockton University. Michael, thank you so much for

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being with us. Take care god speed, my friend.

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Thanks, take care of Bill, see you soon.

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You got it well.

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Coming up next on Bill mart Tina's Live. As I

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mentioned to you, we've got Leslie Korbly.

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Who's going to be with us.

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She's an attorney, author and columnist. And she asked the

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question because, uh, you know it's being thrown out there

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all the time by the Democrats. Oh, it's a constitution.

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Everything is a constitutional crisis. The good guy is falling.

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And Leslie Korbili is with us right now. Leslie, welcome

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to the show.

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Good to have you with.

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Us, Thanks for having me.

465
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:25.440
Well here it is.

466
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.079
We're in a constitutional crisis. You know, it's like, oh

467
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.000
my goodness, you know, where's my pearls? I got to

468
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.960
I'm clutching them so tightly. You know, it's just just

469
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.400
a man. I mean, Donald Trump gets reelected. You know,

470
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.400
I'm moving to what was it one this? Correct me up,

471
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.359
it was a producer of a show. I'm moving to

472
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.839
New Zealand. They go, well, who do you think takes

473
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:54.039
care of New Zealand? It's America, ding dong. I don't know,

474
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:55.960
you know, you have you have to laugh at the

475
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.359
silliness of it all, leslie.

476
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:58.880
Yes, yes, for sure.

477
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:00.279
And that's you know, the.

478
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.039
New phrase I suppose, I mean, you heard it a

479
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.119
lot during his first term in office as well, that

480
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.759
Donald Trump was going to instigate a constitutional crisis. But

481
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.599
I think the real constitutional crisis, frankly, has been ongoing

482
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.000
for some time, and it's been this decades long march

483
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.119
in decades long approach that Congress has taken to essentially

484
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:25.319
neutering themselves. Right, So Congress doesn't have the role. Congress

485
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.920
is supposed to take on a role in the constitutional

486
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.960
system of enacting the will of people. Right, it's supposed

487
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.759
to represent the consent of the government, and that's unfortunately

488
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:38.519
simply not a role that Congress is currently embodying.

489
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.480
Well, they've subordinated it to the bau the bureaucratic class, yes,

490
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.680
all for the sake of not having accountability, so they

491
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:50.000
could go to their constituency and claim plausible deniability.

492
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.400
It wasn't me, you know. But you know, the thing.

493
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.480
Is it's so disingenuous they can't even admit it's the

494
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.880
bureaucratic class. They just say it's not me.

495
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.880
Yes. And this is something that I think the public

496
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.200
is becoming aware of as far as how consent operates

497
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:09.359
over time. So obviously Americans did vote for prior congressmen

498
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.759
and women who unfortunately, like I've said, have abdicated the

499
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.799
responsibility of legislating to the executive branch. But the problem

500
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:21.359
is as you move forward in time, that consent wears down. Right,

501
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:26.640
So take for example, something like the very draconian measures

502
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.920
that came with FDR back in the nineteen forties, where

503
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.759
he greatly expanded government. Well, you can't really blame people

504
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.880
in nineteen eighty for having inefficient sets system that were

505
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.160
set up in nineteen forty, Right, So someone voted for that, right,

506
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.440
the public voted for it at one point. The problem

507
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:46.240
is that it's very difficult for future generations to outvote,

508
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.359
to exercise their consent, to say we no longer want

509
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.079
to be governed in this way because you have entire

510
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.759
apparatuss government agencies bureaucratic systems set up that make it

511
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.880
extremely difficult to undo. Frankly, the damage that was done

512
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.519
prior generations, and so I think that's one of the

513
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.599
real crisis we're in is that we don't we have

514
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.960
a constitutional system. We have systems of checks and battles

515
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.000
of separations of powers, for example, is of course incredibly important,

516
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:16.000
but our government no longer really operates from a practical

517
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.839
standpoint on the principles that was founded on, because again,

518
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.400
that's very difficult to do when you have an entire

519
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.799
branch of government that has functionally abdicated its authority to

520
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.839
the executive So, Frankly, if to the extent the leftists

521
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.759
are very concerned that Donald Trump can act like a dictator,

522
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.319
it's because he's been given in that authority, because the

523
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.839
executive branch has been emboldened and given so much power

524
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.039
that frank we should have.

525
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:38.640
Right.

526
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.519
The thing that's amazing that people are missing out and

527
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.119
the way this stuff has been institutionalized, leslie, is.

528
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.039
That the fix is in. I mean, the left.

529
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.640
They've set up a system in such that look at

530
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.599
we're going to give people a lot of stuff and

531
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:57.000
we're going to buy their votes. They're going to buy

532
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.720
their votes with taxpayers moneyblic look and independent Democrats, doesn't

533
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:05.200
matter you know, it's bipartisan money going to buy their votes.

534
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.799
And so once they buy their votes and they get

535
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:09.839
them in the system and they say, hey, you get

536
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:11.599
to vote again, what are you going to vote for?

537
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.200
We're going to vote for more of that stuff. Right,

538
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.319
And so that's how the wheels on the bus have

539
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.200
been going round and round and how crazy this is

540
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.400
and why you know, when you want to have a

541
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.039
reasonable conversation about, hey, we've got to back off on government.

542
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.759
We've got to make sure that these programs, there's goodies

543
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.000
that you like, that they're going to be there for

544
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.200
generations to come for all the right reasons, and but

545
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.920
we need to be responsible stewards of that. You know,

546
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.799
then you got the outcry because it messes up the

547
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.720
institutional you know wherewithal and the infrastructure that's been established

548
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.519
for one reason only, and that is to get the

549
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:52.880
Democrats re elected.

550
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.519
Yes, it's very fascinating because I think you bring us

551
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.920
some really good points. But I think it's I think

552
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.799
it's really interesting, for example, that we're talking about integrat

553
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.279
institutional crisis when Donald Trump's main goal, it seems, is

554
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:09.119
to reduce government authority and power generally speaking, right, he's

555
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.200
not exactly trying to expand government.

556
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.160
Becoming more constitutionalize.

557
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.359
So he's trying to constrict government, which again is difficult

558
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.960
even from a constitutional standpoint, because once Congress has acted

559
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.119
to empower the executive, you know, it makes it difficult

560
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.079
for the executive to call that back. So where there's

561
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.519
that statutory authority that comes directly from Congress, things get

562
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.400
quite a bit more dicey. That being said, the overall

563
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.440
thrust of what he's trying to accomplish his agenda, so

564
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.440
as being, is not exactly to create new bureaucracies or

565
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.559
to create more government interference. It's quite frankly, to do

566
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.000
the opposite. So it's a rather bizarre notion. You know,

567
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.799
he's a rather bizarre dictator. If his goal is to

568
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:51.079
reduce the power of action, he's a bad dictator. He

569
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.599
wheels like it's like the January sixth. Uh.

570
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:58.640
You know, insurgents, they are terrible insurgents. You know, nobody rites.

571
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.359
Right, So there's something about that doesn't make it doesn't

572
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.200
dive right. And this is kind of regardless of where

573
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.279
you fall on his policies, Right, maybe you think there's

574
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.599
better ways to do this, Maybe you're someone who thinks

575
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.240
that certain things he's doing shouldn't be done, and just

576
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.359
I find that bizarre, just as an initial matter. As

577
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.799
a second point that I think you do bring up,

578
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.000
and it's very important for the public to understand, is

579
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.279
that it is undoubtedly and indisputably true that the Democratic

580
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.640
Party has a overwhelming advantage in the federal bureaucracy. So

581
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.480
if you were to just look at who is staffed

582
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.200
in these agencies, it has a massive left wing bent

583
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.839
and that has for a very long time. That's very entrenched.

584
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.240
It's entrenched culturally in Washington, DC, and it's entrench within

585
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.200
the bureaucratic system itself. And so this idea that you know,

586
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.359
the Democratic Party doesn't it only cares about what Trump

587
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.119
is doing to the extent they care about the people

588
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.160
and the public I think is quite disingenuous. In reality,

589
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.920
they have entrenched interests within the bureaucratic system and disrupting

590
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.359
those interests obviously is not something that goes well, you know,

591
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:05.160
it is not their best interest, right. So again that

592
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.000
that for the public, though, is not great, because the

593
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.440
public's interests and the Democratic Party's entwerts.

594
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.480
Aren't necessarily aligned.

595
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.400
And I think that's where the Democratic Party is really

596
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.799
losing its focus because for so long they were able

597
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.880
to really use messaging regarding compassion, kindness, tolerant, so on

598
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.839
and so forth to try to align the Democratic Party's

599
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.119
interests with the interests of the public. And now I

600
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.960
think we're moving it to a political landscape that frankly

601
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.119
recognizes that those interests are not aligned. And so the

602
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.920
public is moving away from the Democratic Party and it's

603
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.680
becoming hard for them to hold onto power. So obviously,

604
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.119
if Donald Trump comes in and disrupts or the bureaucratic

605
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.519
strongholds they have, that doesn't bode well for them in

606
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.359
the future.

607
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.240
Right exactly.

608
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.640
Well, you know, with the help of the mainstream media

609
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.039
and the bureaucratic class and everything, like you said, the

610
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.000
infrastructure is well established, the emotional message could sell. And

611
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.920
it was frustrating, you know for people they're going, wait

612
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.079
a minute, this doesn't make sense. But it took somebody

613
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.920
like Donald Trump, you know, to break through that barrier,

614
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.079
that emotional barrier, to be able to connect with the

615
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.119
people and finally for them to understand, oh, that's right,

616
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.759
that's common sense, that that doesn't make sense. I mean,

617
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.640
step away from my emotion for a minute and realize

618
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.240
that thirty six trillion dollars in debt, no bueno, open

619
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.279
borders where you got gang members coming in and killing

620
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.920
your relatives, spent and al running rapid, one hundred thousand

621
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.079
people dying every year. You know, people able to you know,

622
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.400
men able to go into women's restrooms, compete against women

623
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.440
in the sports, you know, strip them of their scholarship

624
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.119
availability and awards and things like that. I mean that

625
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.440
that is device common sense. And so then what happened

626
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.480
is the it became a choice, a very clear binary choice.

627
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.000
Either you want common sense or you want this emotional,

628
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.519
hollow stuff that you've been putting up with for you know,

629
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.640
for all ten purposes for twelve years. Maybe got a

630
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.400
little bit of break with Donald Trump in the middle,

631
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.840
but you had eight years of Obama and four years

632
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.519
of Joe Biden. And how did that work at the

633
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.480
end of the day, how did that work for you?

634
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:16.360
Well? Did it work?

635
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:16.599
Great?

636
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.960
But I think this, frankly, goes far beyond just the past.

637
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.199
You know, several presidents. I think this has been percolating

638
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.119
for some time, and you're absolutely correct regarding the stranglehold

639
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.920
on communication some of this, I think also is driven

640
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.639
by social media and specifically the fact that Elon Musk

641
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.159
bought Twitter or now.

642
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.599
X, what did God send huh if he had bought X.

643
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.639
I mean, these streams of communication now are open in

644
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.840
a way they simply weren't before. So the Democrats and

645
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.119
those on the left could control the overturn window. They

646
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.159
really could control was in the realm of acceptable discourse

647
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.159
for the past. I mean, really, this has been.

648
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:49.639
Gone and going.

649
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:51.840
If that's a story frankly, I think at the twentieth

650
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.559
to early twenty first century is that, you know, progressives

651
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.960
and those on the left were their power rose in

652
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.920
the twentieth century, it was pretty much I think they

653
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.159
had strong reason to believe moving into the twenty first

654
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:05.599
injury that they were going to be able to continue

655
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.400
to control the narrative. And as with all, you know,

656
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.400
large sources of power, power corrupts, right, So it shouldn't

657
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.559
come as any shock that as Washington's DC got bigger

658
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.480
and accumulated more power that was more centralized, that that

659
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.559
actually became detached from the public's interests. I mean, this

660
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.159
is what the founders contemplated, and it's one reason they

661
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.880
have separated, the separations of powers mattered.

662
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:30.679
It's also one of.

663
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.039
The reasons that the founders were very intentional about having

664
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.599
the public's interests represented both at a democratic level right

665
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.039
where you democratically elect your like congress people, congressmen, and

666
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.400
was but also why there were was contemplated the Senate

667
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.159
should actually be slightly more detached from the public, because

668
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.400
that gives you know, a better perspective, you know, because

669
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.599
obviously when populism is too is on the rise, there

670
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.400
can be problems with mob rule and problems with democratic

671
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.480
sources of governance. And so the founders were very intentional

672
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.960
about trying to represent the interests of the public both

673
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.360
very close to home and also a little further away.

674
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.840
And I think we've really moved away from that model.

675
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.519
And frankly, again, the Democratic Party had a stranglehold on

676
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.360
the ability to control discourse and that is going away,

677
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.320
and that is I think you were absolutely right. For

678
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.360
whether one likes it or not, Donald Trump was the

679
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.440
one who was able to break through that communicative stronghold

680
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.239
and speak to people where they were at and bring

681
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.159
entire constituencies into the Republican Party that prior to that

682
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.880
had no interest in engaging in politics at all.

683
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.199
We're talking with Leslie Corbi, the author and speaker and attorney,

684
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.280
and Leslie, you know, going back to the media in

685
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.320
what you were saying earlier, Mark Zuckerberg before the election

686
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.519
comes out and he starts confessing his sins. I guess

687
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.519
in the sentence, but especially after the election in saying.

688
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.440
Hey was the FBI. They made me do it?

689
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.920
And you know, which I thought was quite fascinating because

690
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.920
that was quite telling when he came out from underneath

691
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:09.239
that thumb, that the oppression that he must have felt

692
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.320
over the years with Joe Biden, the FBI, you know,

693
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.000
crawling and yelling at them, yelling at their people. He

694
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.480
would say, you know kind of thing. And I mean,

695
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.639
and this is what happens with power. It always goes

696
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.519
one step too far. It kind of reminds me a

697
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:28.159
little bit is before your time of the Richard Nixon administration,

698
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.599
because President Nixon just went a little too far. It

699
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.119
didn't have to, which amazes me. I mean, here he is,

700
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.039
you talk about a popular vote in how many states

701
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.119
that he won in that definitive election, and yet he

702
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.039
ends up shooting himself in the foot. His people do

703
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:46.880
because of their arrogance.

704
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.840
Yes, as you're absolutely right, And I think I think

705
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.760
another thing to know that's really important related to the

706
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.639
communication stronghold Democrats had was it seems that it was

707
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.800
largely AstroTurf in the sense of I don't know if

708
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.960
you've watched Mark Zuckerberg's interview with Joe Rogan after the election,

709
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.199
where it doesn't seem like Mark Zuckerberg is really a

710
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.400
true believer in the sense of being like a Democrat zealot.

711
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.039
And I think that's true of a lot of people

712
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.280
who felt as though they needed to curry favor with

713
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.000
those on the left, because that's how you can either

714
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.239
get your message out there. That's how you could avoid

715
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.440
bad press and terrible pr slip ups. That's how you

716
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.559
could avoid journalists maybe asking gotcha questions.

717
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.679
You know, because some law fare.

718
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.920
And I think Donald Trump was effective, frankly at changing

719
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.480
that dynamic by simply not caring. Now there's there's a

720
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.960
concern that I think is valid that maybe we're going

721
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.119
to move into an era where the word compassion is

722
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.000
almost a dirty word. And I think that that's that

723
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.800
we might likely go too far in that way for

724
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.639
a while. But it's again understandable, because when you weaponize

725
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.480
you know, love, compassion, tolerance, all these words that actually

726
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.920
have good meaning, then eventually the public becomes cynical towards them. Right,

727
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.119
they don't, they don't they hear those words and lital care.

728
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.679
You're right, So if you cry wolf too many times,

729
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.079
people simply don't care about that perspective anymore. They don't

730
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.039
they don't care about seeing someone's tears on screen anymore.

731
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.679
And again there's a cost to that. I'm not saying

732
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.039
we should become cantless as a people, but I do

733
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.360
think we need to recognize the dynamic we're in and

734
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:16.480
why why people are possibly turning away from being as

735
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.679
easily emotionally manipulated. And frankly, it is because emotional manipulation

736
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.440
was a very well played ployee and a great tactic

737
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.679
of the Democratic Party for decades, and I think they're

738
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.039
losing their ability to do that, and it's I think

739
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.360
causing panic on that side of the aisle because that's

740
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.599
again they're one of their go to tools and their

741
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.840
you know, right, and their public relations toolkit was to

742
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.360
go to emotionalism, and it's going to be difficult for

743
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.199
them to continue doing that moving.

744
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.320
Forward, Well, it heads up tomorrow night. They're going to

745
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.000
bring it out, right, I mean, that's that's the suggestion

746
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.960
is they're going to have people, you know, federal employees

747
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.519
who have been affected by by Doge and Elon Musk

748
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.239
and and and you're right, I think we need to

749
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.280
be sensitive about the compassion issue because people are going

750
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.039
to lose jobs. I mean, we've all been there for ourselves.

751
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.880
We've lost jobs. I mean I haven't had a government

752
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.639
job like they have where they're you know, so highly

753
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.599
compensated and could work out of their own home and

754
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.960
even have another job and double dip, so to speak.

755
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.880
And I mean the kind of shenanigans that have taken place.

756
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.239
I'm not saying all federal employees did that, but we

757
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.440
know a number of them did. They took advantage of

758
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.519
the taxpayer and shame on them for doing it. And

759
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.639
so that unfortunately for people who have you know, I

760
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:39.119
guess some legitimacy and have earned some compassion that's going

761
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.760
to get lost in translation because of those that abused us.

762
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.519
Right, Well, yes, absolutely, And I think it's actually really

763
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.400
important to highlight the media's role in these issues because

764
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.639
the reality is human interest stories, you know, journals and

765
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.519
feature stories and whatnot have been are very important for

766
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.280
the public, and it's actually very important that multiple viewpoints

767
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.199
that human events are. There's humanization across all viewpoints, right,

768
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.440
And so the reality is there was no corresponding concern

769
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.960
about individuals who didn't take the COVID vaccine and lost

770
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.719
their jobs, despite the fact that that was very cod

771
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.199
you know, trying to force people to take the CODE

772
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.039
vaccine was you know, that was something you were supposed

773
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.199
to applawed. You were supposed to care when someone lost

774
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.320
their job for saying I really don't think I want

775
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.440
a new vaccine that hit the market last month to

776
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.679
be something I really feel as if I need to take,

777
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.960
I don't think the risks are worth it, right, I

778
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:33.760
think I don't think the benefits are worth the risks.

779
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:38.320
So I think that the fact that some human subjects,

780
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:41.559
there's only certain human subjects that the media has classically

781
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.079
deemed worthy of our compassion and our sympathy and receiving

782
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.920
any kind of human care, is a very important element

783
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.280
to this. I actually think most reasonable Americans have a

784
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.119
base level of empathy for each other, regardless of which

785
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.960
side of the eysle they're on. But for again, decades

786
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.199
and decades, only certain subjects were able to be covered

787
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.360
as if they're pain mattered. Right, So everyone else's you know,

788
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.519
to the extent that policy impact that you know, liberal

789
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.760
policy impacted individuals negatively that just sort of was not

790
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.960
not covered or it tended to be uh, you know,

791
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.639
swept under the rug. And that's where Donald Trump is

792
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.400
very effective, you know, I mean, the same can be

793
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.000
true of a lot of issues. Right, So if there's

794
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.119
a COVID vaccine as it relates to unemployment, that's treated

795
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.079
very differently than the DOGE cuts. You have the same

796
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.519
thing with the transgender issues, where you know, those on

797
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.119
the left will really shine a spotlight on individuals struggling

798
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.440
with gender identity or those who maybe what identifies transgender,

799
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.880
but they have really zero empathy for some of the

800
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.239
girls who are complaining of you know, lack of privacy

801
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.599
and their spaces, whether that's bathroom with sports or you know,

802
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.880
other other issues, locker rooms. I mean, so there's all

803
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.280
these all these again, all these issues, and there's only

804
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:56.920
one angle for human empathy, right, and that's I think

805
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.559
a major major problem that the Democratic Party is running

806
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.960
into because it's quite selective and frankly, quite discriminatory, and

807
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.159
I think increasingly the public is not particularly buying into

808
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.960
the narratives that they're selling them about compassion and love.

809
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.880
But yet the public, we the people have to look

810
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.360
at this as an opportunity of how how do we

811
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.360
demonstrate empathy and love in the midst of something that

812
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.519
we don't agree with.

813
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.400
How do you find that ground?

814
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.360
And especially when it seems at the left, especially you know,

815
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.280
like the trans movement and stuff like that, you look

816
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.000
at what's going on, it's very aggressive. I mean, I

817
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:38.199
mean extremely aggressive to death even, I mean, it gets

818
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.320
that radical. So it really has everybody you know, on guard,

819
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.599
you know, walking pins and eels. You know, we don't

820
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.039
want to offend anybody, but by the same token, we

821
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.159
don't want to be offended either, And so this is

822
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.559
going to be a process. I'm glad you brought this up,

823
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.480
because this is going to be a processing and it

824
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.639
takes some time for us to you know, kind of

825
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:00.880
you know, grow through this.

826
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.000
Right absolutely, I think that my hope is that we're

827
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.599
moving from a politics that focuses heavily on values to

828
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.280
one that focuses on interests. So let me say what

829
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:13.320
that means. So everyone has values, right, So if I'm religious,

830
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.679
I have certain religious values. If I'm a secular humanist,

831
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.679
I have different values. And I think for a long

832
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.880
time politics was spoken of through the lens of values, right, like,

833
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.039
we have certain values and we should govern accordingly. Now

834
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.760
that's true, But what is also true is that different

835
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.280
policies and different different policies will have different trade offs,

836
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.199
and those trade offs will involve different individuals or entities,

837
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.360
sets of interests. And I think we need to pair

838
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.039
understanding our values with an understanding of who has an

839
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.960
interest in you know, what is the public's interest in

840
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.159
certain types of legislation, What is the public's interest in

841
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.719
cutting government? Who wins and who loses if certain policies

842
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:54.159
are enacted or not?

843
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:54.880
Right?

844
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.559
And I think that that having that understanding of whose

845
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.480
interests are at play, hopefully can lead into visuals to

846
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.280
begin to step in each other's shoes a bit easier, right,

847
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.239
Because if you and I have mutual exclusive values, there's

848
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:07.960
there's only so far you can go. But if I

849
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.400
understand you have a different interest than I do, I

850
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.400
can imagine what it would be like to have that

851
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.440
interest right, right, And so I think that there's a

852
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.599
there's a practicality to looking at interest that it doesn't

853
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.639
exist in the romal values again, because if you don't

854
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.840
buy into a worldview, you simply don't hold the values.

855
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.400
But it takes a certain amount of intellect and fairness

856
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.280
in order to get there. I mean, if you're you know,

857
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.519
like Jordan Peterson said, if you're so ideologically fixed, you've

858
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:35.679
rendered yourself stupid.

859
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.719
We can't have a conversation, you know.

860
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.679
So we've got to get out of those silos to

861
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.840
be able to say, Okay, at.

862
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.599
The end of the day, what do you what do

863
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.760
you want? What do you want? What do I want?

864
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:48.320
You know?

865
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:51.360
And can we We may come at it from a

866
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.119
different direction, but are we heading.

867
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.000
To a a you know, a destination that's somewhat in

868
00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:59.320
the zip code? You know?

869
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.280
Yeah, I think we're going to have to become a

870
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:03.480
lot more comfortable with talking across divide. And I think

871
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.239
that's frankly going to require people to be very more

872
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.960
comfortable than we are currently in our culture with offense. Right.

873
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.039
So if I can't understand where you're coming from because

874
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.519
everything you say offends me, then it's you know, we

875
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.760
can't really have a productive conversation and there's really nowhere

876
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.280
you can go. So you have to be willing to

877
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.559
hear things you find offensive and grapple with ideas that

878
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.719
you don't agree with. Now, those again on the left,

879
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.760
I think, are weaker at that, not innately. I'm not

880
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.480
saying those on the left are innately work.

881
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.159
So they don't have a lot of practice with it.

882
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.119
Yeah, that's that's exactly what I'm getting at. They've controlled

883
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.239
the levers of communicative power for so long that they

884
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.320
simply didn't really generally have to contend with ideas they

885
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.079
found to be that distasteful. Right, So when you hold

886
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:46.239
the when you hold the power and journalism, media education,

887
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.360
and you know, you just there are not very many avenues,

888
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.559
elite avenues that you could go down where right we

889
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.440
use are favors. So I think that that will require

890
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.079
those on the left, frankly, to be willing to come

891
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.199
to the table in good faith and willing to listen

892
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.960
to ideas they find repugnant. And you know, I mean,

893
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.800
some ideas are repugnant. You should be thrown aside fair enough,

894
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.320
But you know, you have to be willing to listen

895
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.039
to them and contend with with different ideas rather than

896
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.440
just you know, using pejoratives to an attempt to tarnish

897
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.719
the reputation of your opponents. And that's been their classic

898
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.920
approach to these issues, at least for the past you know,

899
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.079
twenty thirty years at least, if not longer.

900
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.440
Yeah, because if I can emotionalize it, then I can

901
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.000
invalidate you, and you're out of the.

902
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:32.159
Debate, right, Yes, Yeah, so that's it.

903
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.280
You know, I win, you lose, instead of us both

904
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.880
winning because we want the same thing. But this is

905
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.199
where the country is, and this is the clear divide

906
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.559
is I don't believe that the country in total wants

907
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:45.199
the same thing.

908
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.880
I think most I think you're actually right that most

909
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.960
individuals who are not highly ideological could come to reasonable

910
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:55.719
agreement on a lot of issues. I think you're right

911
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.400
about that, that there's far more common ground than we realize.

912
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.719
But I think that the unfortunately a lot of the systems,

913
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.679
and the systems like education for example, or particularly higher education,

914
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.000
really incentivized ideological thinking. There's not a lot of cross

915
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.760
pollination of ideas, and individuals are really pushed through the

916
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.559
schooling system in a way that leads them to think

917
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.599
certain ideas are innately good and moral and others are

918
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.519
innately bad. Now, again, that's obviously true on sub level,

919
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:29.159
but I think it's highly ideologically driven and politically motivated

920
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.559
right now, rather than something simple. I think we can

921
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.599
all agree that lying is wrong, or that slavery was

922
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:41.280
a horrific institution that's been around in human history for

923
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.320
far too long. It shouldn't exist, right, I mean, these

924
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:44.840
are things I think we can all agree on. But

925
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.079
education goes, I think, much further than that and into

926
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:53.519
a realm of ideological like it polarizes the public frankly

927
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.639
because it again creates a lot of unnecessary division.

928
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.039
Well, Leslie, we got to leave it, Derek, and thank

929
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.760
you enough for coming on the show. She's the author

930
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.679
of Silent Suffering, Poems of pain and purpose, self declared

931
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.559
anti feminist attorney and columnists, and again, how can people

932
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:12.440
be in touch with you?

933
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.599
Sure so, lesliecorbly dot com is the easiest way to

934
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.880
find a copy of the book. I also will be

935
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.239
releasing another book this year. I signed a contract and

936
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.159
so the mainscript is into the publisher. That will be

937
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.559
coming forthcoming, and some more information to be found on

938
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:28.960
lesliecorbly dot com.

939
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:30.199
Best way to find.

940
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.960
Me Leslie Horbly, the one and only. Hey, thank you

941
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:34.800
so much for being with us. Take care, Thanks so

942
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.360
much for having me right you have a great day.

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I'll tell you.

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We're so blessed to have guests like Leslie and of

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course doctor Michael Butler to be able to bring you

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know a broader sense of communication, understanding and news information

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for you to digest and choose wisely so that the

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consent of the government, which is what this is all about,

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that you've got the truth. You've got the facts that

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you need in order to make an intelligent decision. Thank

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you for sharing a part of your day with us.

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Appreciate you being here with us. May God bless you

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and keep you. May make His face shine upon you,

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and may he be gracious unto you, and may you

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experience his peace. Thanks for being with us.

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God bless