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The Bill Martinez Show 08 20 26

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The Bill Martinez Show 08 20 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live, a program

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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and

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our future. And now Bill Martinez, Hey, we're back with you.

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Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here with doctor

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Carrol Swain. Her background celebrated as it is is always

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we love to brag about her. I mean, what an

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incredible career from high school dropout, teenage mother to highly

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accomplished university professor and public intellectual of course best selling

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author on top of everything else, Doctor Carrol Swain always

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good to see. How are you?

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I am doing great? And you know something, Bill, I'd

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like to be known for my faith. I'd like to

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be known as Carol Swain Woman of God.

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Oh I love that. You know. I have a brace

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which comes with a story, says man of God.

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Yes.

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And I know you can see that or not. But

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and it came from a dear friend of mine that

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I worked with for many years, many years ago with

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promise keepers, and he ran a ministry for men. And

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it was interesting because as the men would come in

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he'd call me, he say, hey, man of God. And

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you know what they would do when they would say

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man of God what. They dropped their head, and he thought, well,

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that's curious. You know what's going on?

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What is it?

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And so he decided he was led by the spirit

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to talk to these men about being men of God.

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He said, it's not that it's a declaration of perfection.

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It's it's it's more aspirational. It's it's right where you're headed.

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Right, I want that to be on my epetitite. What

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do you call that? The tonbestone?

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Yes, right, exactly. No, I think women of God, men

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of God. I love that. Because the thing is, the

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story is is that after he gave a presentation in

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this men's meeting, he said, afterwards, he says, if you

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feel like it, come on up, and I'm going to

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anoint you as man of God. People were surrounded. The

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men were surrounded around the building Carol in order in

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order to be blessed and to be anointed as a

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man of God. And then one of the gentlemen there

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decided to that we really need to mark this and

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commemorate it. And so we had these what they called

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man bands done up and on the on the bracelet

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it says man of God. And I've had this with

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me now for I don't know about fifteen years. And

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kind of a follow up to that story is I

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had him on my radio show in Los Angeles and

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we gave this presentation and this gentleman sent me an

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email after it was over and he says, you have

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no idea what this meant to me. He said, I

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was on my way to the desert, I had a gun,

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I was I was done. I was going to end

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my life. And he said, to hear what you guys

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talked about. I just want you to know. And that

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touched me so deeply because this was all you know.

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When you were doing God's business and God tells you

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to do something, you do it, and that's his affirmation

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of that. It's just you know what do you say? Right?

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Yes? Yes? I mean so there we share that in

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common aspiration.

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Yes, please God.

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And I think that we can get caught up in

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the titles and the accomplishments, but at the end of

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the day, when we on a death bed, the only

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thing that will be important for a Christian believer is

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did they live their life.

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As a man or woman of God?

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And that's the only thing that would matter is for

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all eternity. And I did not come on here today

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to preach, So let's get to the current events.

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Well no, I, well, look at I think this is

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appropriate because this is timely carel because of where we

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are right now. I was just having another discussion with

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a pastor because one of the things I hear over

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and over again is people are saying, are we being judged?

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Right now? Is America being judged? I said, well, that's

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curious that you asked that question. Why do you ask

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that question. I think you think we're being judged? And

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I think you're right, Yeah, you know, because you look

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at where we are. And the thing is is that,

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as you say, you know, all this stuff is going

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to go. It's all temporal. It's going to fade away.

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The thing that lasts is the spiritual aspect. And there's

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a reason that you brought this up, and I believe

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the reason that we need. I want to focus on

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it just a little bit more, if it's okay with

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you now, because everybody else is talking about the things

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you know that are happening in this world and all that,

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But what matters is eternity. Yes, and here we are

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when you look at the conditions not only of the

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United States, but the entirety of the world right now,

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you think not a whole lot more has to happen

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that's going to bring Jesus back. And the curious thing

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is we have and some of us are seeing this

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right now, that the things are lining up in such

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a way as God had predicted and prophesied that it

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would happen, prophets that over thousands of years. Is that

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these things are going to happen, and they're lining up here.

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And interestingly enough, that's what the Muslims believe, because they

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believe things are lined up for the Mahdi. So I

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think it's interesting that we have these dynamics, this dynamic

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tension that's happening in the spiritual world between these spiritual forces.

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I mean, that's where we are. And I'm in Tennessee.

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We just had a gubernatorial primary. Senator Marshall Blackburn is

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the nominee, and that was a candidate running as the Christian.

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All of them were Christians, but he was an official Christian.

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But what has happened since the primary is that those forces,

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the losing candidates, are really enabling the Democrats. They're trying

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to take out the Republican nominee in a red state,

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and you know that that has to be evil because

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if the Democrat wins, you know, it would so much

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power to destroy Tennessee in a way that would not

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you know, becomes purple state. I know that it's spiritual

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forces that's causing it. And it's said and I think

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that when America falls, and we've said other people said

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that if God doesn't judge America, he needs to apologize,

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you know, to Solomon Gamar and you know some of

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those other nations, even Israel that he destroys allowed to

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be destroyed. You know, we ad a tent in history

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where those people who truly think their follows a Christ,

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they need to examine themselves and try to get it

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right about what's really important. Otherwise they unwittingly serve Satan's purposes.

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They joined with God's enemies, and they don't even know

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what they're doing.

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Right well, exactly, Well, the Bible's clear, it says, my

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people perish for lack of knowledge. And look what's going

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on right now. You know, according to the polls, you've

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got really a fifty to fifty country. Fifty percent of

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the country doesn't even believe in American values. They don't

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even believe we're Christian nation.

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Well, we have just destroyed our country. And you know,

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like God doesn't have to do anything to America to

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judge it. He's given us the leaders that we deserve,

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the ones that we selected. We have a system of

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government where the people choose the leaders. They have made

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terrible policies, adopted terrible policies and programs on our behalf.

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And when America falls, it'll be suicide. It won't be

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we did it to ourselves. We brought in people to

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destroy us. We had all of human history, we had

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the history of ancient Rome, we had the entire Bible.

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We should have common sense. But at this point in

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America's history, there is a percentage of the population that

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doesn't know the difference between male and female. And that

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has to come from God just with holding wisdom and

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common sense and just letting the people have their way.

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So we are in perilous times for God's in control,

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and I think for Christians we better examine our own

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houses and try to get them in order, because it

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does seem that America is going to be judged.

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People who study prophecies.

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Say that America is not in the end times You

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know there's more to come. But for America, it's so

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obvious how everything that's happened to us negative has been inflicted.

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The only thing that could that could give America more time.

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And I just say more time because we know that

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how it turns out any in would be another great revival,

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I don't know that that will happen.

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We're talking with doctor Carol Swain. She is the full professor,

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had a full professorship, i should say, at Vanderbilt where

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she was a professor of political science and a professor

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of law. You know, Carol, you're exactly right. We know

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how this already ends. And the only thing that could

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give us pause and God, because God has established pattern.

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When you look at you know, the Bible, and you

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see how God treated Israel, as you said in other nations,

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He was always long suffering, just praying. I guess if

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God could pray to himself and hoping that people would

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turn from their wicked ways. God gave us the solution,

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and he is there waiting for us to repent. Charles

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Finney was fond of saying that a revival happens when

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it's most needed. And I think we're America, amen, amen.

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But before revival, it comes, you must have repentance, you know.

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And this is what Charles Whitfield and Benjamin Franklin who

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joined with Charles Whitfield in a great movie, by the way,

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you talk about Awakening, The Great Awakening that was produced

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by Siton sound here recently. That's still on I believe

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on Amazon Prime you can still see it. But it

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was a great movie. But you know what Whitfield did

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in going to every one of the colonies was he

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took the message of repentance, and out of the message

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of repentance came wisdom and an understanding of freedom. Right,

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those go together. So as you move away from God,

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you become less free, you also become, as you suggested,

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less intellectual. It's like we rented ourselves stupid, right.

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Yeah, we just see that.

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It's so apparent. And but that's where we are today.

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Well, you know I mentioned to you there's speaking of professors.

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There's roughly one hundred ninety thousand university professors. You probably

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know this.

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I saw that.

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I probably was a part of that association. And yeah, again,

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we need to get we need to well.

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Never mind.

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Again, this pronounces the condition of where we are. Okay,

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you got all these professors, and you were probably a

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part of the American Association of University Professors. They claim

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more than fifty seven thousand of them belonged to its

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professional organization. It was founded over one hundred years ago,

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in nineteen fifteen, and so they've been around one hundred

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and eleven years and all that time. In all that time,

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they never thought it was a good idea for them

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to endorse a political candidate for elected office. Not Woodrow Wilson,

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who was a professor himself of history and president of

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Princeton University. Not even Barack Obama who was a lecturer

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on constitutional law.

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Oh it was a black man, America's first ever a

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black president.

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They didn't endorse him.

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Didn't endorse him. But now in twenty twenty six, a

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candidate has emerged, and after one hundred and eleven years,

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guess who they're endorsing.

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A Muslim candidate from Michigan. He was just so irresistible

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for the moment. They're so blonded. And probably there's finances.

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I would imagine that there's a money trail at the

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end of the day, because usually there's money behind some

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of this.

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Yeah, sadly, there is that old saying, you just follow

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the money. So that's right. The far left Islamic socialist

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spends his time hanging out with an anti American Islamist

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named Hassan Piker.

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Yes, yes, and you know, it's just so interesting to

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me all the things that America that is undercutting American

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it's America, it's Judeo Christian foundation. And Bill you may

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remember because you probably interviewed me back in twenty fifteen

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when I wrote an article warning about Islam.

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It created a firestorm.

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It put in motion the circumstances that led me to

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retire early from academia. And if you read that, I

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be it now. It is so mild, but I was

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fought on, and we see it. It's not good for

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we have done these things to ourselves.

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You know, we really have, you know, like the Bible says,

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you know, and God says says, look at you know,

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I'm gonna let the foreigner invade your country.

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Deuteronomy twenty eight. People need to read the blessing, blessings

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for obedience and the curses for disobedience.

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It's all there. Now, I'll let you continue.

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No, no, well, here we are exactly perfect. Lead in

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is that we are we are getting the result of it.

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So you wonder if we're being judged. Yes, we've been

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being We've been judged and in that process of judgment

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for a number of decades. I mean, you can just

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go back recently nine to eleven. You know, our guard

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was down. Look what happened with the wars. You know,

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as Israel would cry out to God, you no longer

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going out with our armies. God hasn't been going out

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with our armies, you know, yees over the years.

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So well look at the Middle East. God doesn't seem

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to be going out with.

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Our army, right.

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So so so all these things are indications that we

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have we're paying the price for turning our back on God.

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And as you said, I believe there needs to be

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a sense of urgency. Judgment starts in the house of

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the Lord. So that needs to happen. You know, we

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need to recapture and pray for that movement of the

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spirit where the kids are turning their hearts towards their parents. Right,

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because the kids are lost, their gender confused, things are

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happening to them outside of parental advisement and security. It's

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disgusting what is being perpetrated upon our children. And I

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know you mentioned when we first started talking that you're

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going to be starting to work with young kids. And

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I think this that is awesome. I mean, I think

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it's a God thing because these young kids need you, Carol,

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They need your wisdom, they need your experience, you know

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what you've gone through in life, to give them some hope,

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to let them know that, hey, look at you know God,

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God promised he'll never leave you, He'll never forsake you,

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no matter how bad it gets. And because you know

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by experience yourself, God has been there for you every

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time you've been in the valley, right.

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He really has.

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And and yeah, he really has and even the I

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recently attended a service for the teenagers. It was about

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one hundred teenagers. Well, when I always dress, you know,

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nicely for church, I had a dress on. I took

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off the dress. It was a Wednesday service, and I

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put on jeans and a top and I was sneakers

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and I went to church and then I was asked

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told about the youth opportunity and I ended up attending

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and worshiping with the youth. And when I left home,

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I had no idea that that's why I changed from

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the dress to the jeans that I was going to

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be asked to be with the teens. Well, wow, God

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is just so awesome, and you know, people that don't

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have a relationship with him are missing out.

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And I post, try to post.

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And I miss a lot of days, but a daily

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scripture and today it was Hebrews thirteen eight. Jesus Christ

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the same today, yesterday and forever, and so Jesus's standards

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don't change. And for those people that you know, they'd

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like to name be pam be Jesus and they think,

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you know, Jesus is cool and anything goes and there's

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no harshness to him, and you know he doesn't get angry.

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This so misguided.

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Yeah, well, because look at just as Jesus is the

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same yesterday, today, forever, so God Almighty himself, and the

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way he created the universe, there are guardrails that are

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built into it. Sometimes, you know, I think, Carol, it's

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not like we have to judge ourselves, I mean, or

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wait for God's judge. We actually judge ourselves because we

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violate the guardrails. You know, this came to me a

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couple of years ago spontaneously. Of course, the holy spirit

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thing because it was like I said, it's like to

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find gravity, right a right, It's like, okay, you don't

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believe in God, we'll go go jump on you know,

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get on the rough and jump off and see what happens.

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Who do you think controls that? Right?

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There's an absolute truth around gravity?

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Yeah.

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So the people are willing to they believe in absolute truths,

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you know, around certain some things and other things you know,

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they want to pretend they don't understand, such as the

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differences between males and females. Science is okay, and you

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remember when Christians we were all fundamentalist as we believed

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in the creation, they were scientific. And now these scientific

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minded people don't know the differences between the X and

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Y chromosomes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And these were the same scientists that let us

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down that yellow brick road of COVID right.

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Oh oh yeah, I mean that was population control? Oh

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did I say that? I'm sorry. It's like a conspiracy

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theorist kind of thing, but I think that it was

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evil intent. There was a withholding of information that could

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have saved lives, and there was punishment of people who

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spoke truth. So free speech speech was strangled so much evil,

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so much evil.

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Yeah, well, Carrol is always we appreciate you coming on that.

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We got to wrap things up. Thank you for your

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time and insight, and congratulations on the new opportunity. I'm jealous.

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I am in a sense that jealous, envious, whatever you

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call to work with young kids like this, I mean,

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what a precious opportunity that God has given you.

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Thank you so much.

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All right, Doctor Carrol Swain has been our guest, a

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distinct honor. It's always great to have. She is so

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passionate about empowering others to confidently raise their voices in

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the public square. This is why I know she's going

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to do some great work with these teenagers. She's a

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former university professor of political science and a professor of

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law at Vanderbilt Vanderbilt University Law School. Thank you, Carol Swain.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with doctor Wilfrid Riley

492
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from the Kentucky State University. Hey, well, how are we

493
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doing pretty well?

494
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:01.119
Doing pretty well?

495
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:01.559
What about you?

496
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.480
Well? Doing fine? You know I'm not like you though

497
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.240
you're back in You're back in session. Kids are back

498
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.000
on campus. What's the buzz amongst the kids as they're

499
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:12.960
coming back after a summer break.

500
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.400
Well, they're mostly just glad to be back in school,

501
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.400
see their friends, all that kind of thing. Yeah, they're

502
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.200
not necessarily excited about the tests and homework, but they are.

503
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.240
They're pretty happy to be be back in the building.

504
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.039
So overall good. They're a little annoyed about some of

505
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.200
our policies. We're doing all our tests in person because

506
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.000
of a massive AI cheating at every college. So that's

507
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:36.319
that's something MOSE schools are doing.

508
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.640
Oh so they're they're having a tough time adjusting to that.

509
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.839
Huh yeah, I mean.

510
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We actually we had one of the lowest rates of

511
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.359
cheating in the state of Kentucky, but at every major college,

512
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.240
like when tests were put online, the rate of tampering

513
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.720
was like forty percent fifty percent. Because you could just

514
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.799
cut and paste the test and drop it in crock

515
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.279
heavy and you can tell the AI model, you know,

516
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.640
complete this test and get ninety one percent correct, So

517
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.400
it looks somewhat plausible, and so you have to figure

518
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.400
out how to deal with that. It's that most people

519
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:10.200
have just gone back to sort of the blue book.

520
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.640
Right exactly. So, yeah, Zoe, we just get back to

521
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.039
the way it was. I mean, it's too bad we

522
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.279
can't figure out to do the same thing with our elections.

523
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.359
Right, yeah, I mean that's that's something I've settled for

524
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.039
quite a while, that the way to election security is

525
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.799
really just to have paper ballots. You get dozens of

526
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.160
volunteers from both parties, older ladies probably, and you have

527
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.000
them grade the score the ballots at a table. And

528
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.079
a lot of other countries where you haven't yet had

529
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.359
the blessing and cursive technology, elections usually take a day.

530
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.480
Every time I look, I'm watching the election in a

531
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.440
developing country with a friend from there or something at

532
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.240
Nigeria or Mexico. Mexican not developed anymore, but like you,

533
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.000
it takes two or three days. They're like l Salvador

534
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.960
Bouquela wins in eight hours. So I think we could

535
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.720
easily do the same thing with all our mechanical technology

536
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.799
and votes delayed for three weeks to help people overseas

537
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.119
or the handicapped or whatever. I mean, an American election

538
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.440
could take months and that that's very problematic and that

539
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.400
makes it easier.

540
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.319
To hack well, especially like in California, I mean here

541
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.200
it is. It went on. You know, they said it

542
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.240
was going to be three weeks, and then they got

543
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.640
to the point, I guess where they just you know,

544
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.599
they got tired of manufacturing votes. They said, oh yeah,

545
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.160
Karen Bass won, and then you and then of course

546
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.599
the big controversy coming out of there is you had

547
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.079
this polling you know, company that put up this faux

548
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:40.279
poll that obviously influenced the voters, you know, showing that

549
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.119
Karen Bass was running away with everything and so and

550
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.079
then it was like here they get found out and

551
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.519
they go, well, you know, we're not in business anymore.

552
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.880
Well, this this is actually insane. This is one of

553
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.440
the bigger political science stories of the past couple of years.

554
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.920
I mean, this is this same company put a poll

555
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:03.359
out saying that the kind of crazy anti white candidate

556
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.519
that recently just lost their race was up by twenty

557
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.880
three points. Yes, they had a pole showing Fishback in Donald's.

558
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.279
I don't have a beef with either of these guys,

559
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.279
but tied neck and neck, Fishback got ten percent of

560
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.400
the vote. So, like, I think people have joked about

561
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.400
this before, like what if a polster just wagged the dog?

562
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:20.640
What if they just took your half million and they

563
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.160
didn't pull anybody. And I think this is the first

564
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.960
time it's happened where some clever young guys just said

565
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.960
we're going to do this, We're going to take and

566
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.240
spend the money. And then what did they call it?

567
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.359
A social experiment? They said they were doing this to

568
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.920
see how gullible people were. But I mean, it's just

569
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.240
it's the craziest thing in the world. I'd imagine they'd

570
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.400
be at least civilly sued because you can't do that. Yeah,

571
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.200
so we'll you see what happens.

572
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:50.160
Well, but again, see when you have the attitude, the

573
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:57.640
perception that you know, the election process is fraud with fraud, Okay,

574
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.319
what's a little more fraud, you know, So why not

575
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.759
just we'll just have fun and play games. And you know,

576
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:08.559
here we are and look what happened in LA and

577
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.200
god only knows how many other places. And something tells me, well,

578
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.559
this is not going to be the end of it.

579
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.799
Yeah, I mean I think that this probably wasn't the

580
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.680
beginning of it either. I mean, like I said, this

581
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.759
is something that sort of edgy young business people, political scientists,

582
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.720
stock traders have always joked about like we should just

583
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.279
set up one of these polling companies, buddy. And you know,

584
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:30.599
I might be the guy who says I don't feel

585
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.759
like polling, and then someone would say, well, you don't

586
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.119
have to actually poll, you know. So it's just that

587
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.160
there's a basic question of you know, if you know

588
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.799
from other poles that someone's hit by ten percentage points,

589
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.319
you could just say that, and I mean obviously everyone

590
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.160
would then just smoke their cigar and say, Okay, we're

591
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.640
not doing that. These guys did it, and I don't.

592
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.240
Apparently they put out enough wrong results that they either

593
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.480
were doing an experiment or they had to eat crow

594
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.119
and admit it. But I think there's probably been a

595
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.960
lot of bad data that's been going out into the

596
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.799
slipstream in kind of the post in ron era. I

597
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.640
would bet large amounts of money on it. And it

598
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:05.599
now makes a little more sense why some of these

599
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.440
companies have said just crazy things like Trump's behind by

600
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.960
seven points. Why might you say that, Well, maybe you're

601
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.519
a Democratic run outfit. You're just making up the data.

602
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.920
So I think that there's it's maybe time to get

603
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.119
a little more skeptical about that.

604
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.319
Well, uh, yeah, if you're not skeptical already. I mean

605
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.680
it's like there's been, you know, plenty of reason to

606
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.359
be skeptical, and uh, and I guess that's where I

607
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.799
find myself these days, more in the camp of skepticism,

608
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.000
because you know, we've got people yank in our chain

609
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.599
and they're not interested in the truth, the whole truth

610
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.279
and nothing. But and so you know, I find out

611
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.480
who they are, and I choose not to associate with

612
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:43.079
them anymore.

613
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.119
Yeah, I mean, I choose not to associate with people

614
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.119
that are obvious liars and all that. But I mean

615
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.559
I think that there there's a deeper question of what

616
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.079
do you do with the corrupted information? So I mean,

617
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.680
like the polls that showed that Trump because this has

618
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.440
a real impact. Like if if you are using a

619
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.400
poll that shows that Trump is down by seven the

620
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.839
day before the election, I think there's an assumption throughout

621
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.159
society that no one would just make that up. And

622
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.559
now it seems increasingly obvious that there are multiple top

623
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.800
ten polling outfits that did I mean, maybe not in

624
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.800
that case, but they do that, like Hong was up

625
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.239
by twenty three allegedly. But those kind of things have

626
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.719
major impacts, Like if you feel like your candidates down

627
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.800
by ten are up by twenty, like you're much less

628
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.679
likely to vote. There's a whole bunch of research on this,

629
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.199
so it's not just that you're taking crap and putting

630
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.320
it out in the public place. You're probably doing that

631
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.480
because there results you expect to get. So this is

632
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:44.039
an interesting social experiment that's actually in their little letter

633
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.079
what they said they were doing. They wanted to see

634
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.079
how vulnerable people were to obviously partisan kind of obviously

635
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.719
inaccurate misinformation, And it turned out people were very, very

636
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:55.599
vulnerable to it.

637
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.400
Yeah, and we needed to run more tests after COVID

638
00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:59.880
to see how vulnerable people would be.

639
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.559
I mean, I think COVID was a pretty good one,

640
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:08.519
but that actually is extremely problematic. Now there were red

641
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.760
states like Florida and even Kentucky that didn't really put

642
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.440
up with a lot of the COVID stuff. They were

643
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.719
open in months that were seniors were protected, but they

644
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.480
were protected by organizations with the neighborhoods that shop for

645
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.039
them and so on. But in a lot of the

646
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.199
larger states California, New York for that, out of purple

647
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.679
states like Ohio, the whole like American thing like we're

648
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.360
not going to tolerate any infringement of our freedoms. I mean,

649
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.880
like the people were still school kids were eating outside

650
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.639
three years later. So I think that for the powers

651
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.320
that be, they now know that that's probably not true.

652
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.760
And if you use very dubious information to implement these

653
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:48.280
kind of draconian measures, eighty percent of people are just

654
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.920
going to go along with that. And that's a disturbing

655
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.440
thing for the government to.

656
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.440
Know, right, But what happens the next time if it's

657
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.960
a real thing and we need to have you know, adherent,

658
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.599
you know, they've lost their credibility.

659
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.760
Yeah, And I mean the thing with COVID, Like COVID

660
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.840
was real in the sense that it could kill you,

661
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.480
It was just very COVID was not what it was

662
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.920
presented as being. I think that so this again gets

663
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.880
into false information and why trust is important. Like the

664
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.920
original presentation of COVID nineteen was that it was the

665
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.400
rage virus from the Resident Evil series of movies. I

666
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.440
mean Neil Ferguson that a British epidemiologist, the greatest destroyer

667
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.760
of wealths and Subatai, the Mongol general. I mean he

668
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.599
argued that two million people were going to die. I

669
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.360
think no matter what we did, I'd have to reread

670
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.119
his paper. But two million people were going to die

671
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.480
by October of the first year in the United States.

672
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.960
It turns out that over five years of COVID, about

673
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.000
a million people maybe have died with COVID nineteen. So

674
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.800
there's still a problem. That's like the fourth leading cause

675
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.239
of death, but it's not a problem at the level

676
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.880
that was presented. And then people started jumping on top

677
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.079
of that building bubble of panic. So you had a

678
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.320
pueo the tech genius say that no, ten million people

679
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.840
are gonna die unless we locked down, and that's what

680
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.920
led to lockdowns those guys. So I mean, that's that

681
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.840
was all wrong. I mean, there's no other way to

682
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.400
put it, and we paid the price for that we believed.

683
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.760
So the theme here is like believing partisan misinformation, and

684
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.480
I guess there's no real other than distrust or the

685
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.760
ability to check pretty advanced methods, there's no way to

686
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:30.599
guard against partisan misinformation. Historically, the assumption was just you

687
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.719
wouldn't get too much.

688
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.880
Of it, right, or that you'd have the media, you know,

689
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serving as a guardrail and balancing out that misinformation.

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doctor Wilfrid Riley. Well, the story that will not go

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away is Sophie Cunningham and the WNBA.

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Yeah, I like, I like big sof. I mean, it's

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amazing to me that sort of these macho men's right

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wing programs are talking so much about the w NBA.

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I mean, my one sort of Fox appearance recently was

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also about the w NBA. It's become a very popular

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topic of discussion. But you know, first of all, you

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are getting some better players in the league. Caitlin Clark

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obviously is an excellent shooter, ball handler. Sophie Cunningham's kind

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of her protector. She's she's the force, she's the power

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forward on that team. You know, Angel Reese is I mean,

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I make fun of her game because she's mostly rebounding

782
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her own missus, but it's probably going to set the

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w NBA rebounding records. So they're they're doing pretty well

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over there. What's drawn the w NBA into the public

785
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spotlight this past week, of course, is the fact that

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a Freedom Canter and Royce White have announced that they're

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in the draft, and now a guy in the Russian

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League has declared as well. So you have all these

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men that are in the w NBA draft poll. Royce White,

790
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who's a former player, conservative black guy, GOP candidate beard

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like five six six. He actually bought a blond wig,

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so when he does these interviews now it's him sitting

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there like, yeah, I'll always be a man, but with

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the wig on. So anyway, funny stuff. But Sophie Cunningham

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is I think popular just because of her personality. She

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seems to genuinely like life. She doesn't seem to dislike

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any of the major races. She likes America. There's a

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there's a scene where she goes to one of the

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big bars in Indianapolis after a game that she sings

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yeah courtesy of the Red, White and Blue, and she's

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dancing on the bar with a bunch of guys. I

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think most people are just pleased to see an athlete

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that seems to like the country, like them, like the fans,

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as opposed to a bunch of surly anger and you know,

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holding the autobiography of Malcomas which they've clearly only read

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ten pages of and commenting on it. I mean, the

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kind of the Lebron model irritates a lot of people.

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Right without a doubt. Well, the deal is is the

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WNBA needs a crisis manager. They don't know what to do,

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and you know, and sitting there, you know. Of course,

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the other big story that's come out is how the

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fans have been mistreated. Here you got a mother and

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daughter they paid one thousand dollars per ticket to go

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see a w NBA game, and they're wearing T shirts

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and somehow, according to the one official that confronted them,

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they're the Oh, I don't want to say law enforcement

817
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wasn't law enforcement, but it was security, you know, for

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the team there went to them and said that their

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their shirts were offensive to an individual.

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Yeah, that's crazy. So first of all, shout out to

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Jennifer Say of xx x y Athletics. That's actually my

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friend's company, like a former VP. Yeah yeah, former VP

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for Levi's decided to make a brand that's actual men's

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and women's athletic where and that's actually like it's more

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in demand than you might think, like pants with pockets

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for women and like actually absorbent fabric. But for the

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guys who have stuff that's hard to like it. The

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cloths are actually good, Like I have some xxxy athletic stuff,

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but because it says xxxy, like these would be the

830
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demands for a male athlete, whereas a woman might want

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this as she trains, it's become very controversial and so

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at these WNBA games, Jen and a bunch of friends

833
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like Riley Gaines has gone to a few Meg Murph,

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Megan Murphy the like post feminist writer, like they've gone

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to these games and actually like they're all athletes and

836
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they like the sport, but they've been kind of almost

837
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chased away. The idea is like, who are these conservative

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women to come cheer for women's sports, and it sort

839
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of revealed who the Like a lot of the ownership

840
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of the WNBA team seem to be very wealthy, kind

841
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:56.320
of radical lesbians.

842
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I don't know another way to put it.

843
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So like the Seattle Storm owner ship, which is two

844
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like five foot four lesbian partners, came and argued with Jen.

845
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It's so there's there's a question of in business, are

846
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you able to grow? Like the natural audience for right Yeah,

847
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I mean I think we both know that and we've

848
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experienced it. Like the natural audience for the WNBA would

849
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be dads, mostly right wing, but also black, Hispanic, a

850
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lot of right wing, but dads with daughters Like you

851
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get beyond that sort of gay urban audience and you

852
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go to guys whose girl just made varsity, and you

853
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pitch this as an all American fun experience. It's maybe

854
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as good as men's college ball, but the players are

855
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pretty and they're proud of it. That's exactly the opposite

856
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of what the WNBA wants to do. You'd have to

857
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take the rainbow flags off the court, so you you've

858
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got to Maybe new ownership would help them. I think

859
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:53.599
that would be a plus.

860
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.760
Yeah, Well, you know, I'm surprised frankly that the the

861
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NBA because they own in that since they own the WNBA,

862
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.440
why they're not stepping in and doing something here. They're

863
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.000
almost like just watching it like they're you know, I

864
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don't know, it's like a female mud wrestling deal or something.

865
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I don't know, it's weird.

866
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Yeah, that's an interesting question. I think it's because of

867
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the and like conservative business people, WI always attribute things

868
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to woke as though it's like an amorphous force in

869
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the ether. I think that there are specific things that

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like Dick Hanania for example, pointed out in the roots

871
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of woke, like there were until recently. They're ESG scores

872
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for example, were taken very seriously by big brands, like

873
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.440
how how much are you teaching people to be nice?

874
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.239
How much gender equity do you have? So like the

875
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NBA would have a zero gender equity score. They have

876
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no female employees. If you're counting athletes, even in the

877
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front office. I mean, I would assume those are all

878
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.079
former players and people who weren't quite good enough to

879
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:55.760
make the league, like as from the Big ten or

880
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.360
the Pac ten. So the WNBA probably boosts all of

881
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those those metrics for them. So if they go onto

882
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the WNBA and they take away all the gay rights stuff, like,

883
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.440
does the Human Rights Campaign start scoring them down? And now,

884
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if I were the commissioner at silver of the NBA,

885
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.079
I wouldn't worry about that at all. Nope, your fan

886
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:17.119
base doesn't care. Your fan base is like urban guys

887
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.760
who play basketball. But if you worry about all these

888
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.320
external metrics, if you worry about being humiliated at dinner

889
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parties in New York, then you've got you don't just

890
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.000
have stockholders anymore, you have stakeholders. And that's a problem,

891
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:31.400
right exactly.

892
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Well, I want to talk about Donald Trump for just

893
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.960
a moment, because I tell you this is you know,

894
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.880
the narrative that's being put out there and supported, you know,

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00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.239
by the mainstream media and of course the Democrats, and

896
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.159
then you got the left of the left Democrats who

897
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.039
the DSA types. You know, they repeatedly talk about how

898
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.280
bad Trump is. And I'm thinking, wait a minute. Since

899
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.880
taking office, you know, as promised, he secures the border,

900
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.599
and this is again install resistance to deport millions of illegals,

901
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.280
some who have killed our citizens. Every state of the

902
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:10.079
Union has suffered a homicide at the hands of an

903
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.960
illegal in our country. They've taken unfair of our hospitality

904
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.760
by stealing and committing billions of dollars of fraud against

905
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:23.599
our social services. Affordability was an issue on day one

906
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.360
of this administration because of Biden and Democratic policies and

907
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.880
regulations that weakened our energy sector, monetary policy, raising inflation

908
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.280
almost nine percent. You know, something that can't be resolved overnight.

909
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.760
And then of course let's not even mention or get

910
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.719
into big detail about the big, beautiful bill that people

911
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.159
are realizing, you know, a bigger check, you know, in

912
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.039
returns from the IRS, no tax on tip, no tax

913
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.599
on social security. But you know Donald Trump's bad. What

914
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:54.280
am I missing?

915
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.719
Well, I think that for a lot of people on

916
00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.360
the So, first of all, for people on the left,

917
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.599
donald Trump's because he's the demon like head of the

918
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.679
Republican Party. I think for a lot of people in

919
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.519
the right, Israel and Iran have become big distractions. And

920
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I don't think that this is a real offline issue.

921
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By the way, So, like I said, I don't have

922
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.280
huge beef with either of these guys. But we saw

923
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.880
yesterday the Byron Donald's James fishback election and these guys

924
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.719
have been talking a lot of trash back and forth,

925
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and Fishback is kind of presenting himself as the dynamic

926
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.119
young man's candidate. We're gonna stop funding these Middle Eastern

927
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wars and all this stuff. Fishback got ten percent of

928
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.519
the vote. So the question is how much does this

929
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:41.239
sort of groperism really appeal as versus magas versus mainstream

930
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:45.719
GOP conservatism to the Republican base. Probably not much, by

931
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.840
the way, even seven out of ten of the DSA candidates,

932
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so the Dems have more of a problem with this,

933
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.760
but lost as versus like the big Jim Clyburn union

934
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.159
boss type of Democrat. So I mean, like when I

935
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look at Johnny Rebel said this online he's talking about Trump.

936
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.039
He said, I hate Trump's iron policy. But since twenty sixteen,

937
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we've seen the overturn of Roe versus Wade. We've seen

938
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the abolition of affirmative action, border secured gun rights expanded.

939
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.760
I I have a question about that one. But tax cuts,

940
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.480
regulatory cuts, energy expansion DEI ended via fair admissions, massive

941
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:23.719
ice funding, federal workforce slash. I think that's underappreciated by

942
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.320
the way on the right, the federal workforce is down

943
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.280
by six hundred thousand jobs between Trump, Rubio and Elon Musk,

944
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.400
crime rates down, ACA individual mandate gone that one bipartisan.

945
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.519
So I think that a lot of people have been

946
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.280
kind of they've heard a lot of this the USA

947
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:48.280
is controlled by Israel and or the Arabs stuff online

948
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.639
for the past couple of months.

949
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.480
It's been a growing sentiment for decades. But yeah, but

950
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.679
it's definitely coming through very loud here recently.

951
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.360
That's yeah, some of.

952
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.679
You hear in bars. I mean, but like the actual

953
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:07.920
idea that foreign powers control the president is something that, ironically,

954
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.719
I think online is mostly foreign sponsored. It's just different

955
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.320
foreign powers, I mean, like Russia, for example, that obviously

956
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.719
does not control Trump, but is a big proponent of

957
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.679
the idea that Israel might. If you look at where

958
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.639
bought traffic comes from, so everyone plays these games. We

959
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.920
similarly we back Ukraine's bought traffic against Russia, which is

960
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.000
a debatable decision. But anyway, like the things Trump has

961
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:33.280
actually done, like gotten rid of DEI I think are

962
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:37.599
pretty significant. So it's weird that people are being distracted

963
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.920
from a fairly high performing conservative president by this policy stuff.

964
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.559
And I understand it, but I would agree with you.

965
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.280
I mean, I think there are obviously are quite a

966
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.400
lot of Trump accomplishments.

967
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.559
Well yeah, and you sit there and you know, I

968
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.719
want to say, look at if if you hate the

969
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.039
guys so much, then you know, send the money back

970
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.599
to the government, you know, pay down the debt. You know,

971
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.280
we're looking at forty forty trillion hitches around the owner

972
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.679
here and we need to really focus on some you know,

973
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.800
clear issues. But definitely, I mean I feel for what

974
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.519
he's trying to do. And Marco Rubio in terms of negotiating,

975
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.800
you know, peace in the Middle East with with an

976
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:18.360
untenable foe, I think it's almost a fool's errand to

977
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:22.079
try and negotiate with Iran. But you know, bless his heart,

978
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.559
you know, he's got more patience than I do. But

979
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:28.519
you know that's why I guess why he's the president

980
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:33.000
and I'm not. But still it's that, you know, here

981
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.840
he's trying to do all this and you've got people

982
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.920
nipping at his heels. You know, the media is doing that,

983
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.719
you know, the Democrats of course, the people that hate Trump.

984
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.559
It's like, wait a minute, the guy's trying to negotiate peace,

985
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.000
and you're not helping here, Why don't you just shut

986
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.639
up for a while, huh.

987
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.280
I think there's some validity to that now obviously, of course,

988
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.519
like Trump's a big talker and he's negotiating with the

989
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.360
Persians who are as well. So I mean, like the

990
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.239
joke is that the wars ended un twenty times already.

991
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.360
So I mean, after a while, like you do start

992
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.880
looking at this like we've the deal has been made

993
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.280
on horm moose and you there's a headline you can

994
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.239
generate every second day. But yes, I do obviously hope

995
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:17.639
for peace, and I think that negotiating between being the

996
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.800
middleman between the Jewish state and Persians without stereotyping as

997
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.880
they negotiates not the easiest job. I mean, you've got

998
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.000
some pretty good people in the room probably, so hopefully

999
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:33.199
that gets done. I think that that can't overshadow the

1000
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:38.360
overall record of the Trump administration. And to me, most

1001
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.119
presidents are remembered for one thing. Like you can like

1002
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.880
Barack Obama or dislike him. I'm in the second camp,

1003
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:48.320
but Barack Obama Obamacare. Maybe you could add kill Ben

1004
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.840
Laden although that was the Seals and gay marriage or

1005
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.079
right winger would throw it. So he gets two or

1006
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.360
three Trump, I mean, he peaced with North Korea. We

1007
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.599
haven't heard much from them, But the big one's going

1008
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:05.599
to be immigration. Like if Trump actually so, even what

1009
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.079
he's done in terms of ending TPS would go on

1010
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.920
that kind of board. But if somehow, like an actual

1011
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.000
border wall was built during this second term, I mean,

1012
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.159
Trump would go down as a Roosevelt level president. Some

1013
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.000
of you it is good, some of you it is bad,

1014
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.239
but you only get a couple things. For me, immigration

1015
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.320
is the centerpiece of this administration, and we forget that.

1016
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:32.079
There's there's a choice sometimes between imperfect on your side

1017
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.840
and very bad on the other side. So President Biden

1018
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.800
let in about ten million illegal immigrants during the course

1019
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:41.840
of his term. It was about two point two million

1020
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:44.440
a year. That figure from Fox News that people tried

1021
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.840
to debunk turned out to be pretty much real. So

1022
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.880
had say Kamala Harris taken over, that would have happened again. Oh,

1023
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.280
there would have been some domestic policy pieces on healthcare

1024
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.039
some people on the right might have even liked, but

1025
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.400
there would have been ten more million people flowing into

1026
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.320
the USA. That would have been the defining feature. So

1027
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.719
everything that Trump's doing in terms of these small foreign wars.

1028
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.920
That's secondary to that in my opinion.

1029
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.320
Yeah, exactly, well, we got to leave it there for now.

1030
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.239
Doctor Wilford Riley, Professor of political Science at Kentucky State University,

1031
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Thank you, will take care.

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

1054
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:32.960
Hey, good morning, Welcome six minutes after the top of

1055
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.960
the out right now he's Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal

1056
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:36.719
and Michael.

1057
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.960
Good morning. Good to be with you.

1058
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.280
How are you, Bill, Hey, I'm doing fine. We got

1059
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.840
lots to catch up on. Quite interesting this David Moren's case.

1060
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.760
Huh absolutely. I mean this is an individual as a

1061
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.960
senior advisor to Anthony Fauci, who was very active for

1062
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.880
use during the COVID He was with the Department of

1063
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:57.679
the NIH for a long time. He was a sor

1064
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.519
senior official in the in the NIH. Is it close

1065
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.880
to Anthony Fauci pled an integral role in the COVID.

1066
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.840
All of that gain of function, research, awarding of money,

1067
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.800
funding the wuhand virus lab. And so you're beginning to

1068
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.280
see some of the threads kind of be pulled out

1069
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:18.159
here be uncovered with with all of what was going

1070
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.000
on behind the scenes at NIH with Anthony Fauci and

1071
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.320
his associates in the government in the run up to

1072
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:28.639
the COVID nineteen virus outbreak and everything involved with that.

1073
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.519
What did David Morenz plead guilty too? I think that

1074
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:33.679
that's the first question you want to answer. He played

1075
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.719
guilty really to conspiracy to commit offenses and defund and

1076
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.199
defraud the United States. Well, what does that mean? That

1077
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.920
means that he took efforts to hide his activities. Government officials,

1078
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.280
particularly high ranking government officials, are subject to accountability and

1079
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.880
transparency laws. The Freedom of Information Act is one of them.

1080
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.119
That means when they conduct official government business, they have

1081
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.400
to They're obligated to use their official email servers, government

1082
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.719
government property, government servers, government emails, et cetera. They can't

1083
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:08.199
knowingly use their private emails to circumvent FOYA the Freedom

1084
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.039
of Information Act.

1085
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.360
Now like like what Hillary Clinton did and everybody else right.

1086
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.440
Wed Landmark actually has a lot of experience with this.

1087
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:18.719
We've litigated these FOYA cases with government officials using their

1088
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:22.679
personal email, their email and the FOYA context. So we've

1089
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.679
actually had had some litigation against the Environmental Protection Agency.

1090
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.440
Senior officials would use their personal email alias emails and

1091
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.000
now now we never established that it was knowingly used

1092
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.039
to circumvent the FOYA. But that was what apparently with David,

1093
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.239
with Minster Morenz, what it was used to do. He

1094
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.400
was using a Gmail account, and I think there was

1095
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.039
an efforts to actually hide what was going on. Now,

1096
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.639
what was going on is they were awarding money to

1097
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:49.400
organizations that were again the kind of intermediary organizations that

1098
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.159
were funding Wuhan virus gain a function research in China.

1099
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.199
So they'd give them money to an NGO, the NGO

1100
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.039
would award the money through, it'd be essentially a pass through.

1101
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.000
And then there was that a It's that indicated that

1102
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.920
mister Morenz was using his Gmail account to circumvent any

1103
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:09.199
kind of transparency or FOYA accountability. Now that's problematic and

1104
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:13.119
criminal if you're knowingly doing it for that purpose. So again,

1105
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:17.159
this this guilt this uh, this this guilty plea means

1106
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.039
presumably again I don't we don't know for sure, but

1107
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.519
I saw Cash Bettel's x tweet earlier today. No one

1108
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:24.239
is above the law.

1109
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:27.199
He's going to continue to investigate this, the investigations ongoing.

1110
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.239
Presumably we can maybe move the curtain, look peep behind

1111
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.039
the curtain a little bit. And assume that mister Morenz

1112
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.920
has cut a deal and is going to discuss what

1113
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.400
he was involved in and perhaps involvement of others. This

1114
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.079
is normally how these these these things go about.

1115
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.679
When you have a conspiracy, you start with levels and

1116
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.559
you work your way through you get lower level officials. Now,

1117
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.239
again he was a high ranking official, but he is

1118
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.719
not the highest ranking official. So if you want to,

1119
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.840
you know, analogize it to other things that I think

1120
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.840
we're talking about, you can do that. But you're working

1121
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.480
your way up up the chain here. And it appears

1122
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.119
that he's going to be cooperating with the government, with

1123
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.400
the federal with the FBI, with the Department of Justice,

1124
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.559
and any larger investigation they're having. So again, good piece

1125
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.159
of advice if you're working in the government, conduct your

1126
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:16.960
government business on your government email. Don't use personal email

1127
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.639
for government business. It gets you out a whole lot

1128
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.960
of trouble. So and don't do this.

1129
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.840
And and yeah, the risk the risk reward in this,

1130
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:26.039
I mean, you know.

1131
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:28.760
Yeah, I can get a little bit into this because

1132
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.559
again we've deposed high ranking government officials in the past

1133
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:33.760
and actually had a light shine on this. A lot

1134
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.840
of it's arrogance, right, they don't feel like they're ever

1135
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.719
going to be accountable to this. Oh, I can do this.

1136
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.400
It's never going to come around me. It's not going

1137
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.920
to affect me. This is permissible. Wink wink, nod, nod.

1138
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.960
We're going to do this. But here's the other interesting

1139
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:48.000
thing is when government officials talk to people outside the government,

1140
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.039
that's subject to disclosure under the FOID. So if if

1141
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.800
I'm a senior Department of Justice official and I'm having

1142
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.719
emails or communications with people in you know, at Landmark,

1143
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.159
for example, those emails are subject to closure. Freedom Information

1144
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.039
Act has a whole host of exemptions and exceptions to it.

1145
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:06.400
You know, if you're if you're engaging in back and forth,

1146
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.239
if you're trying to determine, you know, how a policy

1147
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.519
is going to be work product things like that, how

1148
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.119
you're going to arrive at a certain conclusion. Communications amongst

1149
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:18.199
colleagues obviously that shouldn't be subject to disclosure because it's

1150
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.199
the deliberative process kind of ply when you're communicating with

1151
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.480
people outside the government, that's fair game. That's subject to

1152
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.360
disclosure or note FOYA. And so we've talked about we

1153
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.320
talked about this a lot in the passing landmark. But

1154
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.239
it's always interesting to me that I think these government

1155
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.440
officials can talk, engage in these conversations or these communications

1156
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.960
with these NGO people and think that they're somehow not

1157
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:40.480
going to be subject to disclosure. Well guess what they are.

1158
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:43.199
And if you hide that, you're going to be subject

1159
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.840
to criminal sanctions, like this individual was exactly.

1160
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:47.360
So what's the consequence for him?

1161
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.719
Yeah, I mean it's a felony, so it's presumably going

1162
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:52.400
to be a suspended sentence. I think it's up to

1163
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.039
five years, but he's like, he's cooperating it, You're not

1164
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:56.320
going to get five years, So I think it's a

1165
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.559
it's a felony, so presumably, I think I've read a

1166
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:02.239
couple of plays. I would guess a suspended sentence for

1167
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.920
twenty four to thirty six months, no, no prison time.

1168
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.519
But again, this is probably conditioned on the fact that

1169
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.599
he's going to be offering up some sort of testimony

1170
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:13.440
or cooperation with a larger investigation. All of this is continued.

1171
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.760
We don't see necessarily, we see some of the plea bargain,

1172
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.559
but I would assume that he that he wouldn't that

1173
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.159
the government wouldn't have reached this bargain unless they were

1174
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:21.679
going to get something out of it on their end.

1175
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.079
So he's going, Hey, what happened with the auto pen?

1176
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:25.440
How come I didn't get my pardon?

1177
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:28.320
Yeah, I mean exactly. I think that's true. He must

1178
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.280
have not gotten his his plea up in front of

1179
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.599
the right parties. I don't think it was the President,

1180
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:37.280
but whomever it was right who was executing those autopens.

1181
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.840
So what kind of pressure is this going to put

1182
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:40.280
on Fauci?

1183
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.760
You think that's an interesting question. I think he's already

1184
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.599
feeling a lot of pressure. I think he is. He's

1185
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:49.320
in the point where he is. I think he's gone

1186
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.440
kind of incommunicato right now. I think he's kind of

1187
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.760
trying to lay low. So there's pressure, but again, the pardon,

1188
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.400
the pardon is still there. Whether he's committed anything outside

1189
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the realms of that part and you know, remains to

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01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:06.199
be seen and anything that's not covered under the part,

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and you know, we talked extensively about testing. I don't

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01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.719
think that. I don't think that Apartment of Justice is

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01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.760
going to do that. I would if they did, I'd

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01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.360
be I'd love it. I'd welcome if they actually tested

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01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.280
the party and indicted them for something that might have

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01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.199
been covered into the part that would be That would

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01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.320
be a fever dream for me. I've been talking about

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this for months and months, testing party the pardon. But

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we'll see, I mean, whether there's anything outside the ausfices

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of the pardon. Again, there's a contempt of Congress charge

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that I think is still germinating out there. I don't

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think that, you know, the Senate, of course goes away

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for three weeks. I don't know.

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I think five weeks, five weeks, excuse five weeks. I mean,

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01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:38.960
this is incredible.

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I mean that's another conversation to have. But I would

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love to see them actually doing the business in the

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American people right now. But you know, I don't think

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they're they're doing that. So moving the ball forward in

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so many ways, you know, election integrity, Anthony Faugi, et cetera,

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et cetera, all the things that the reason why we

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01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.400
want why they're in office, all of the Conservatives put

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them there, is like, hey, look at this. We want

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a cannabilit me on COVID, we want we want voter integrity,

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we want immigration. Dropping the ball everywhere.

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Right right, exactly. Yeah, it's uh. And and the fact

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that they would be out of town for so long,

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you know, a period of time coming back. I mean,

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I don't know how much more pressure they can do.

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I mean, they've given up any kind of leverage by

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coming back so close to the midterms. Whatever they do

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is going to really have an effect on the midterms, right,

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you got.

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To believe it, right, I mean I don't. I think

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it's too late at this point if they come back,

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01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.440
and even you're talking September and primaries, I mean not primaries,

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01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.920
but early voting starts in a lot of states early early,

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so you're talking weeks before you know, the first or

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01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.159
the second Tuesday or whatever the data is in November,

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01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.039
so early voting starts, there's not going to be any

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time to do any kind of effective election integrity laws.

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There's there's processes like there's the mail voting reg that's

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trying to get through regarding tracking ballot tracking mail ballants.

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There's those sorts of things. But from a from a

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legal congression perspective, it doesn't look like any kind of

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voter integrity law is going to go through between now

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and the midterm election, which is really unfortunate again. How

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they can't even get voter ID through is absurd.

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We're talking with Mike O'Neil with Landmark Legal. So regarding Fauci,

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you know, in terms of his situation, as you mentioned,

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I mean, he has to be careful. The reason he's

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laying low is that, you know, if he burbstrong, he

1330
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could be in contempt, I mean, or they could get

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him for something. And so he's walking around with the

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sword of Dominicles over his head. I would think, I mean.

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You'd think I would. I would just advise if you

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were my client, I would advise him to no social

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media and no communication, stay with your family and very

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very close friends. I mean I wouldn't even say close friends.

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Don't talk to anybody about anything other than the weather,

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sports and dogs, you know, And that's it. Because I

1339
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.760
think that again, i'd like to see some movement on

1340
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the contempt of Congress charge. I do think that there's

1341
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.279
something behind that. I mean the fact that Steve Bannon

1342
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:40.560
and others were prosecuting. Yeah, so it's not like this

1343
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is anything. It's not like this hasn't been done in

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the past couple of years where it's been exampled and

1345
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accountability is necessary. The fact that he failed and I

1346
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said this before with you, but it's pars repeating the

1347
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fact that he failed to own up to anything is

1348
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.319
just such a such a disappointing aspect to this entire

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entire mess that you couldn't even own up to the

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fact that that you screwed up, Yeah, you screwed up,

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or knowingly unknowingly you screwed up. And as EGO didn't

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allow them to do that to apologize. If An issued

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a heartfelt apology to the American people, it probably would

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have gone a long way and actually been honest for her,

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Just be honest with us, don't plead the fifth I

1356
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.720
get it. From a lawyer perspective, I get it, But

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for a pr perspective preserving any kind of legacy you

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want to have, it's gone well.

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Getting back to accountability here, and as you just mentioned,

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you know, the Republicans always seem to get hammered and

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the Democrats get away with stuff even if they destroy

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evidence like Hillary Clinton has done. You know the things

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that have happened, you know on the left that they've

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gotten away with the American people are going, you know,

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where's the justice? What happened to Lady Justice and all this?

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And that's so frustrating for so many people, particularly as

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I say, Conservatives, Republicans, et cetera. It's just the lack

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of accountability. We want to see that. You want to

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see some some sort of Again, I've said this for year,

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I guess months and months at this point. Now the

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wheels of justice turned slowly. When you're trying to bring

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indictments and prosecutions against these individuals, you have to build cases.

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So there has I do caution, patience and generally and

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all of these things. But that being said is you know,

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I don't know whether there's an investigation on all of

1376
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the Russian collusion hoax things that were going on. It

1377
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.039
seems like every couple of weeks there's another drip or

1378
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drab that comes out with this, whether there's actually you

1379
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.600
mentioned Hillary Clinton, and whether the Hillary Clinton and the

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destruction of the servers, the use of emails, et cetera,

1381
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et cetera, all of that. People ask the question, well,

1382
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how come this David Moren's guy gets nailed for you know,

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defrauding the government, and yet all these big actors who

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are doing it so much more at least appear to

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be doing it so much more wetly, seem to walk

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clear of this. So it's one thing to have a

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David Morenz guy be you know, plead guilty and have

1388
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some sort of accountability. But that's that's a small fish, right.

1389
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:55.600
Yeah, by comparison, right exactly. Well, And you know the

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situation you say it moves slowly. Didn't seem to move

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01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.239
very slowly when it came to you know, Manifort and uh,

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you know Bannon.

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Yeah, that's the other thing. I know, Uh, it does,

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I I understand it certainly seems to me. It's it

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appears that there's this two tracks of justice in this country,

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one for the right and one for the left, and

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the left doesn't really go anywhere, and the right goes

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through you know.

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Yeah, right exactly, Yeah, Mike. In regard to uh, you know,

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voting integrity, Uh, obviously, John Thune and the Senate has

1401
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:33.279
really they've really disappointed us and have fallen short. Uh

1402
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what kind of you know, besides what's going on with

1403
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.319
the Post Office, and of course the courts are dealing

1404
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.319
with that. Uh, and I know that Trump has also

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01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:47.880
tried to execute some executive voters. Right, what kind of pressure,

1406
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.000
what what type type of reality in terms of voter

1407
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.199
integrity can we expect to see them in terms?

1408
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:56.279
Yeah, that's a good question. I think you just saw

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yesterday the Census. The Census Bureau is doing a lot

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of data and now analysis and they released an analysis

1411
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:06.199
that they conducted where they concluded that twenty four thousand

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I think, off the top of my head the number

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01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:11.439
of there of individuals non citizens who voted in the

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last election. So there there, that's.

1415
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That's in total, twenty four thousand.

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01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:19.920
Yeah, twenty four thousand non citizens voted in the last election.

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I'm pretty sure that was the number that they relieve.

1418
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:25.319
But that's all. They still have more voter roles to process.

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This is the this is one of their initial findings.

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01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.560
So again, you say twenty four thousand, that's not a

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01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.840
lot out of the millions, but again you can you can.

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It depends on where the votes are.

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01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:38.720
Yeah, races have been won for a lot less than

1424
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:39.640
one hundreds.

1425
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:42.359
Yeah, it could turn congressional races, that can turn state

1426
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:43.479
electoral races.

1427
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:46.079
Well, we saw what happened in Minnesota. We talked about

1428
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:48.800
this the other day, you know with Al Franklin, Al Franken,

1429
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.720
he gets it. You know, I don't even think there

1430
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:55.039
was what was it, not even one hundred votes or something.

1431
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.079
It was very close. So he wins, and that's the

1432
01:15:58.159 --> 01:15:59.199
vote for Obamacare.

1433
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.760
Yeah, exactly, I mean one one one race one and

1434
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.039
and you're looking at margins in both houses are so

1435
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:09.279
narrow that point one one way or the other. So

1436
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:11.960
they they they continue to put that out. It's a

1437
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:14.720
it's an identified problem. You know, we know that non

1438
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:17.520
citizens aren't voter roles. We've talked about this at nauseum.

1439
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:21.119
New Jersey has admitted it now, so there's non citizens

1440
01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:21.880
on voter rolls and.

1441
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:25.039
Cracks me up, though New Jersey, excuse me, New Jersey admits,

1442
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.199
you know, like six thousand, but it is like, yeah,

1443
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:28.920
six thousand, because we don't want you to go any

1444
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:30.560
deeper than that, right.

1445
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:33.359
It's it's it's the old Okay, here's here's the problem here.

1446
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.720
We'll give you this a big yeah, ignore that this

1447
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.399
is our little problem here. Ignore the big problem behind

1448
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.399
the curtain. But absolutely, and so we we we know

1449
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:44.520
this is a fact. This is this is so there

1450
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.039
there is a ground swell of individuals, I mean of people.

1451
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:50.640
There's a movement to identify and remove non citizens from

1452
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:53.760
the voter rolls. There's also a Supreme Court case that's pending.

1453
01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:56.279
This term me familiar Vota. This is a case in

1454
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.439
Arizona where the State of Arizona has put measures to

1455
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:04.239
fire individuals to document a proof of citizenship, remove, identify

1456
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:08.159
and remove non citizens from voter rolls again and try

1457
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.800
to set aside a consent decree that was issued years

1458
01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:14.840
and years ago. That's pre legislation, the current legislation a

1459
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.079
lot of mess on that. So there's a Supreme Court

1460
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.239
case which we'll actually get into some of the meat

1461
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:21.880
and substance of the National Order Registration, active piece of

1462
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:25.840
federal legislation that obligates state officials to maintain accurate, enough

1463
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.640
to date voter rolls. So there's a lot of talk

1464
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:31.960
about that that's going to be going on this fall again.

1465
01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:34.880
Isn't it Isn't that crazy though, Mike, I mean, you

1466
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:39.159
expect state officials to do their job, and somehow they

1467
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:42.000
can obfuscate and just do a slow dance on this thing.

1468
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:47.920
And meanwhile, you know the perception of election integrity remains

1469
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:50.840
the same. I mean, you know, this really became a

1470
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:54.840
focus after the twenty twenty election, and it's still a problem.

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01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.159
I mean to this point that a majority of Americans

1472
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.840
still believe that we're you know, that our whole process

1473
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:05.720
is you know, is in peril.

1474
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.720
Definitely, and then efforts, reasonable efforts to try to put

1475
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:13.239
measures in place to kind of quell that to restore

1476
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.960
the confidence are met with the most vehement opposition, and

1477
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.560
you have to litigate these cases almost basically up to

1478
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:23.880
the United States Supreme Court. Again, all Arizona is just saying,

1479
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.079
with our state registration forms, we require you when you

1480
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:30.439
register to vote in the state, you are required for

1481
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:32.800
use the state form, you have to show that you're

1482
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:35.600
a citizen, not with the federal form, because the federal

1483
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:38.840
form doesn't require that. And so again there's no legislation

1484
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:41.039
that says the federal form has to requirement, and every

1485
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.039
rag that says the federal form has to requirement the

1486
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.199
federal registration form is met with opposition. You have to

1487
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:47.880
litigate this. What the bottom line here is there is

1488
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:54.000
a dedicated, well funded, massively powerful cabal that organizes and

1489
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:59.000
fights every effort to put in place a protection for voting. Again,

1490
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:03.479
we're talking the basic common sense solutions. Uh. You know,

1491
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:08.439
if a state, the President says, look, units US Postal

1492
01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:12.279
Service put a bar tracking code on mail ballots or

1493
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.520
makes or obligate states because if states use the mailed,

1494
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.399
the US Mail obligate them on their forms, their mail

1495
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:22.920
vote forms, they're they're envelopes to put a bar tracking code.

1496
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.960
That's something that we see all the time. Virtually everything

1497
01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:32.119
you go to Amazon, Amazon, exactly, Amazon, every piece of

1498
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.079
mail my wife gets, every package of my wife gets

1499
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:36.479
as a bar tracking code. So is it really that

1500
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:38.840
big a deal to say, put a bar tracking code

1501
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.000
on it on a mail ballot envelope? Absolutely not. Absolutely.

1502
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.720
Does the US Postal Service have the authority to tell

1503
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.800
states to do that? I think they do. You know,

1504
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:49.760
the question is, well does this does the federal government?

1505
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:51.319
And this is a question I was asked myself as

1506
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:55.319
a conservative attorney, where the first question is does the

1507
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.439
government have the power to do what they're doing? Right?

1508
01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.560
Does Is there a statute that gives the power of

1509
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.640
the government and authorizes them to do it? Well, yeah,

1510
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.039
there is a there's a statute. The US Postal Service

1511
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:08.239
has a lot of authority to regulate the form of mail. Right,

1512
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:10.239
they can say, Okay, this is how big an envelope

1513
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:11.880
has to be, this is how this has to be

1514
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.800
for for security purposes, for tracking purposes, they have they

1515
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.479
have they have a pretty broad mandate to determine the

1516
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:21.560
physical aspects of pieces of mail, because again, it goes

1517
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:23.520
through the US Mail. So I do think they have

1518
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.399
the authority to say, look, you States, you have to

1519
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:30.399
put a bar tracking code on your mail envelopes. Well,

1520
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.000
of course, And again who wouldn't argue that makes sense?

1521
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.199
Right any normal person. I go around the streets, I

1522
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:36.720
talk to an average person. I say, hey, you know,

1523
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:38.039
if you have a mail ballot, don't you think that

1524
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:39.960
should be able to be tracked like an Amazon piece

1525
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.199
of mail? Well? Yeah, of course, why to ensure chain

1526
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.319
of custody, right, to ensure that it doesn't get lost,

1527
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:47.720
sure that it's not manipulated, et cetera, et cetera. Common sense.

1528
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.399
I guarantee ninety five percent of the people be like, yeah,

1529
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:52.479
of course, So what are you talking about mail on Amazon?

1530
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:53.119
So I can like it?

1531
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:55.600
Dahn No, of course, yeah, yeah, why are you asking

1532
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:56.159
me that question?

1533
01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:01.279
But this is the huge but yeah. You have lawyers,

1534
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:07.239
special interest groups, advocacy groups, organizations that file lawsuits that

1535
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:10.840
fight this and then throw millions of dollars of legal

1536
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:15.079
fees into these challenges everything. You have judges that will say, well,

1537
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:17.079
I don't know the authority looks a little species here,

1538
01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:18.920
let's check it off. I'm gonna put an injunction on

1539
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.520
you until this. So there's so much going on about it,

1540
01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:29.079
about opposing this every single aspect, and again it's part

1541
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:32.520
of the broader consenses we're talking about. Ballroom President can't

1542
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.000
construct the ballroom President. The Department of Transportation can't get

1543
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:39.840
lists of commercial drivers' licenses because even though we know

1544
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.600
people who are operating with commercial driver's licenses don't speak

1545
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.119
English and are killing people on our nation's highways, and

1546
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:47.079
the Department of Transportation wants to get the list of

1547
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.239
those commercial driver's licenses. That's law fared out. Ballroom's law

1548
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:54.640
fared out. Every single thing that anybody tries to do,

1549
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:57.720
no matter what, no matter how much common sense it is,

1550
01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.399
is fought. That's why people like me and others, the

1551
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:03.079
Apartment of Poor, Apartment of Justice, everything. I don't know

1552
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:05.560
how their lawyers are doing it. Bill it's every single

1553
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.279
thing is brought to the litigated over over.

1554
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.119
Again, and well they're probably having to spend a lot

1555
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:12.560
of time in therapy.

1556
01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:15.520
Yeah. And the last point about this is it's being

1557
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.800
embedded by judges. You have a cabal of Obama judges,

1558
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.880
Biden judges, even some Bush judges that say, you know what, yep,

1559
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.079
I'm gonna use my equitable authority here and I'm going

1560
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:28.720
to invoke an administrative stay on this. What's an administrative stay?

1561
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:31.159
You're telling me you're gonna admit you're gonna stay the

1562
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:35.520
Department of Transportation from demanding or a group from turning

1563
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.119
over cel records to the Department of Transportation. You're going

1564
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:42.279
to use an administrative stay. It's just it's crazy. Oh,

1565
01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.319
you're gonna say that a person who's looking at the

1566
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:49.000
ballroom construction or the new ballroom is aesthetically offended. Therefore

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01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:52.000
they have standing to challenge the construction of the ballroom

1568
01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:54.800
that satisfies the doctrine of standing, the element of standing

1569
01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:59.199
in lawsuits. It's just we're crazy talk, Bill, absolutely crazy talk.

1570
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.640
Really, I'm telling you, Mike, Mike O'Neil, we got to

1571
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.279
leave it there. He's the assistant general counsel at Landmark Legal.

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Joining us right now is Robert Gebbie. He's the CEO

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of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. The statistics are

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quite stark, and Robert, I got to tell you, I

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just appreciate your heart and approaching all this is that

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you come at it in a very holistic sort of way,

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because there's lots of contributing factors and there's also lots

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of solutions that could involve the entire community if they

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so engage.

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Right, that's absolutely right. And you know, we like to

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say suicide prevention is everyone's business. Yes, you know everyone

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our families starts with our families certainly, but our circle

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of friends, our schools, you know, we go to school, classmates,

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co workers. We all can play a part in this

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and support those who may be struggling and get them

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the help they need.

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You know, Robert, I appreciate that the sensitivity and your

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development experience in dealing with suicide prevention is that you

1656
01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:55.479
caution us on the language, because what's happened is in

1657
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:59.279
our culture today we're fast and loose with the language,

1658
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:03.279
and we're not real that our lack of sensitivity is

1659
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:06.000
exacerbating the problem, it's not adding to the solution.

1660
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:08.720
Right, Yeah, yeah, I think that's true. I mean, one

1661
01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:11.720
of the things we've learned from science, from research is

1662
01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:15.239
how we talk about this matters, right, And sometimes the

1663
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.640
old language kind of blame the victim and it was

1664
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:21.359
kind of your weak it's your fault, and things like that,

1665
01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:24.840
the myths, and now we know that's not the case.

1666
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.439
Something's gone wrong in our brain, just the way things

1667
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.119
go wrong with other parts of our anatomy, and it's

1668
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.159
clouding our thinking and our judgment. And so what we

1669
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.199
want to be is supportive and not blame the person

1670
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:38.640
and just say just you know, pull yourself together. You

1671
01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:40.960
got someone to live for. You know, those are the

1672
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.239
wrong messages, and it really is about let's get your help.

1673
01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:48.039
And the good news is we know with therapies and treatments,

1674
01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:50.800
people who are struggling, can get better and be well

1675
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.600
and not end up dying by suicide. So we want

1676
01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:55.800
to prevent this tragedy so well.

1677
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:57.960
And I love that you stress connection. Connection is so

1678
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:03.119
critical here, right, because what happens when people are dealing,

1679
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:07.880
you know, with depression and they're feeling low, their natural

1680
01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:10.199
instinct is to isolate because they don't want to be

1681
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:11.880
a bummer to everybody else, right.

1682
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:16.680
Right, Yes, very much so. And and the diseases themselves,

1683
01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:19.800
the mental health conditions kind of force you kind of inward, right,

1684
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.079
You kind of get lost in your own head and

1685
01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:25.000
in a way then become we even more isolated. So

1686
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:29.399
reaching out and connecting and being supportive is really important.

1687
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:30.079
And it could be.

1688
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.680
A trusted friend, it could be a family member, but

1689
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.439
I think it's really important that we not have people

1690
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.920
feel isolating. One of the things we look for is withdrawal, right,

1691
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:43.439
as a warning sign. People withdrawing, the mood is down,

1692
01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:47.319
they feel kind of hopeless, worthless. These are things to

1693
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.439
watch for as warning signs and to connect them to help.

1694
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:56.359
Robert, if you don't mind helper on our audience understand

1695
01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:59.119
your story. How did you become the CEO of the

1696
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:01.279
American Foundation and for Suicide Prevention.

1697
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.239
Yeah, well, it's an interesting path. I'm glad it's one

1698
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.840
I took many years ago. I got involved in this

1699
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:10.039
and I was involved with different nonprofit work and so on,

1700
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.960
and came across this, and we were somewhat of a

1701
01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:16.399
small startup at the time because no one would talk

1702
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:19.079
about suicide. And actually people told me not to take

1703
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:22.199
this job because it was too depressing and oh, why

1704
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.520
would you do that, and so on, and it just

1705
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:27.239
made me more in a way, challenged me, and I

1706
01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:29.439
took it, and I'm so glad I did because I've

1707
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:33.479
learned so much. I have lost coworkers before coming to

1708
01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.840
the organization, so I knew a little bit about it

1709
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:39.079
and since coming, and this is a reminder of all

1710
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.560
of us, since coming, we've lost extended family members, and

1711
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:45.199
so even working in this field, we're not immune, you know.

1712
01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:47.800
We have to check in on the people we care

1713
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:50.319
about and try to help them as best we can.

1714
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.880
And there's good information on how to have those conversations

1715
01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:58.119
and help at our website FSP dot org. All kinds

1716
01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:01.920
of good resources and information, including nine eight eight, which

1717
01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:06.319
is a hotline for those who are struggling, get connected

1718
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:09.079
with the councilor nine eighty eight twenty four to seven

1719
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:12.000
free confidential hotline Robert.

1720
01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:16.039
The statistics tell us that suicide is the tenth leading

1721
01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:20.119
cause of death in the US. What's happening in our

1722
01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:22.520
culture that's influencing that number.

1723
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:25.960
Well, look, we all have a lot of stresses, and

1724
01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:28.880
you know in our lives there's a lot more pressures

1725
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:32.359
on all of us. But that's not enough. That's that

1726
01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:36.119
can add to it. You know, breakup, a loss of

1727
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:38.600
a job, all those things add to it. But it's

1728
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.680
also something going on in terms of there's you know,

1729
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:46.079
proven increased rates of anxiety, depression, substance use and alcohol

1730
01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:49.399
play a role in many cases. So these are these

1731
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:52.560
are conditions that you know that can make us vulnerable,

1732
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:55.640
and so getting help matters. And I think there's still,

1733
01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.640
in spite of the gains we've made and reducing the stigma,

1734
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:02.560
there's still people who resist getting help and we have

1735
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.560
to encourage them. And it's not the weak thing. It's

1736
01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:07.680
actually the brave thing. We talked about this with our

1737
01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.239
military and our yes right about the brave thing is

1738
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.560
to get help and to reach out and ask for

1739
01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:16.920
help because she can get better and that's what really matters.

1740
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:22.399
So yeah, I think there's certainly increased mental health conditions.

1741
01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:24.960
A lot of this coming out of COVID didn't help us.

1742
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:28.720
It added to it for sure, more isolation and so on.

1743
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:31.359
But I do think now we're starting to see a

1744
01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:36.039
slight trend down for the last two years, slight in suicide,

1745
01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.520
which is encouraging, but we have to make more progress

1746
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.279
because it's still over thirty percent higher than it was

1747
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.600
in the year two thousand. So it's coming down slightly,

1748
01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:48.039
but not enough. And obviously every live every life matters,

1749
01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:51.119
and so one is too many in terms of suicide.

1750
01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:54.800
So yeah, when you think about the impact that it

1751
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:59.479
has on the families, yes, then ask why and could

1752
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:02.439
I have done something different? And all that goes along

1753
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:07.000
with it. It's absolutely devastating. The American Foundation for Suicide

1754
01:33:07.039 --> 01:33:10.239
Prevention founded in nineteen eighty seven when a group of

1755
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:13.520
families who had lost loved ones to suicide banded together

1756
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:15.960
with a team of scientists seeking to learn more about

1757
01:33:16.119 --> 01:33:18.439
how to prevent this leading cause of death. I mean,

1758
01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:21.920
it's surprising to think that it was nineteen eighty seven.

1759
01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:25.239
You would think that there would have been something a

1760
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:26.720
lot sooner, Robert.

1761
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.560
Yeah, I know, it was so much shame and stigma

1762
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.840
and really kind of ignoring the problem for so many decades.

1763
01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:37.159
You think about Cancer Society and groups like that, they

1764
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:40.119
were formed in the twenties and turned in the last century,

1765
01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.239
you know, and here suicide was not addressed and is

1766
01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.199
a leading cause of death still is. One of the

1767
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:50.560
things that we learned in the early two thousands was

1768
01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:53.119
having these walks for suicide prevention.

1769
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:55.159
As I'm black, you brought that up. I was just

1770
01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:57.439
going to ask about out of the darkness walks, go ahead.

1771
01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:00.000
Yeah, no, Well, it was really a way to try

1772
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:01.920
to reduce the statement. You know, there were walks for

1773
01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:05.840
breast cancer, hid and so on. By having walks, all

1774
01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:08.359
of a sudden people opened up. People came to the

1775
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.399
walks and talked with total strangers about what was going

1776
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:14.399
on with them. And today we have walks in every

1777
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:21.039
state in DC and Puerto Rico. And to find out

1778
01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:23.520
more about walk near you, you can go to fsp

1779
01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:28.479
dot org, forward slash Walks, fsped dot org, foard slash walks.

1780
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.840
But just google a FSP walks and out of the

1781
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:33.680
doctor's walks come up. And there's walks there everybody. We

1782
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:36.439
hope people will come out and support the cause, get involved,

1783
01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:39.359
raise some funds as well. They do raise money for

1784
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:44.159
US which helps support our research and educational programs to

1785
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:45.399
prevent suicide.

1786
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:47.520
Well, you've got a quarter of a million people in

1787
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:51.680
growing coming together for these annual events, and they're seeing

1788
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:55.279
for themselves the importance of connection. As you say, truly,

1789
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:58.960
our greatest strength in this fight against suicide is connection,

1790
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:00.159
isn't it.

1791
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:04.000
It's about the people, right, it always is. Where As

1792
01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:08.800
human beings, we need connection and unfortunately today there's more

1793
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.039
isolation than ever before, which doesn't help. But I do

1794
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:15.560
think that connection matters. I would also say the walks

1795
01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:19.720
are really safe space. Not only is there connection everybody there.

1796
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:22.039
They may have lost a loved one, they may struggle,

1797
01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:24.720
Their family may be out to support them and their friends,

1798
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:27.600
or they just care about the cause. But it's a

1799
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.600
safe place. No one's going to judge anyone, and actually

1800
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:32.800
it's the opposite. People are there to support each other.

1801
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:35.520
Well, Robert, as we wrap things up, two questions going

1802
01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:38.479
to tie it into one. How can we support someone

1803
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:41.840
that we may know who may be struggling, And what

1804
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.000
are some of the warning signs that we should be

1805
01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:45.600
looked at for go ahead.

1806
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:47.840
Yeah, the first I'll start with the warning signs again,

1807
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:52.159
if someone has got to change in mood, sleeping too much,

1808
01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:55.359
not sleeping at all, increase use of drugs and alcohol.

1809
01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:59.399
Withdrawing is one of the big things, you know, kind

1810
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:04.199
of breaking the connection to people and going inward. These

1811
01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:07.439
are things, especially if they're not typical of that person.

1812
01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:11.840
Changes in behavior are something to look for. And again,

1813
01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.520
if someone's talking about wanting to die, that's an even

1814
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:18.760
more serious indicator something's going on. Open up the conversation

1815
01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:23.159
and there's really good guidance on how to have that conversation,

1816
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:25.720
want to say, what not to say on our website

1817
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.439
at a FSP dot org, and how to help someone.

1818
01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:31.000
And again keep in mind the National Hotline because it's

1819
01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:34.119
a great resource for someone who's in crisis nine to

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eighty eight and it's free and confidential. Twenty four to seven.

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He serves as the CEO of the American Foundation for

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01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:44.680
Suicide Prevention. Robert Gebby has been our guest as we

1823
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:46.680
wrap things up. The website they can go to for

1824
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:47.319
more information.

1825
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.920
Robert a FSP dot org has a lot of good

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resources and information and a fsp dot org forward slash

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walks to find a walk near you to get involved

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in the End of the Darkness walks, and we appreciate

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everyone help us. Suicide prevention is everyone's business. We all

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Jeremy back

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01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:14.239
from Numbers USA. Hey, mister Jeremy, how are we doing?

1906
01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:16.520
We're doing all right, mister Phil, how are you hey?

1907
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:16.800
Doing?

1908
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Terrific?

1909
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Well?

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The Democratic National Committee, I mean, why should we worry?

1911
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Right cloud, this is its summer meeting in Austin and

1912
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adopting a resolution. Yes, this is real, ladies and gentlemen.

1913
01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:34.479
They want to abolish ice, wind down immigration detention and

1914
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release detainees. Well, the DSSA is alive and well, and

1915
01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:41.640
they have captured the Democratic National Committee, have they not.

1916
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It's it's and it's an alarming thing that's just happened

1917
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this week. Yeah, is there a It's unclear if the

1918
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person who offered it is a current member of the

1919
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DSA or a former member of the DSA, and as

1920
01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:57.840
of twenty twenty four it appears that she was. But

1921
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this DNC committee adopted the resolution. Now this doesn't mean

1922
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that it's in the official party platform that will be

1923
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determined at the convention in a couple of years, but

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this has been approved as something that the committee says

1925
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that they want to go after it. I think there's

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a couple of questions here for us, and I'll.

1927
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Tell you real quick.

1928
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You know, what it reminds me of was when the

1929
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Democratic Party if you remember when they took God out

1930
01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:25.119
of their platform, Remember when they did that. This kind

1931
01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:27.600
of smacks of the same thing. So they're used to

1932
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doing this kind of stuff.

1933
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Yeah, I mean, it's it's so it's it's completely radical, right,

1934
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It's it's basically we know that the DSA has come

1935
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out and said that they don't just favor abolishing ICE.

1936
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They want to abolish the border, which means they want

1937
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to abolish the country, you know, right right, so and.

1938
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The Pentagon on top of that too, oh by the way.

1939
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And the President and the Senate and prisons and all

1940
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the rest of it. Yeah, exactly. We know the results

1941
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:54.119
of this, right is be a massive another massive surge

1942
01:42:54.119 --> 01:42:56.840
on the border. It makes throughout to Spain look like

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01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:59.159
child's play. If you said, like, hey, listen, we're just

1944
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:03.680
there's no detention, there's no more immigration enforcement. We're releasing everybody,

1945
01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.079
not just into the country, but you know, out of

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detention centers as well. So even if you get caught

1947
01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.439
doing later on, there's nobody to arrest you, and there's

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01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.359
nobody to detain you. Obviously, it's it's the end of

1949
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.279
the border. So how is this? How is this happening?

1950
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And I think that this is I trace this back

1951
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to the failure of Congress. My question to you, Bill is,

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and I realized it's your show, you can ask me

1953
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the questions. But I mean, what do you think is

1954
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:33.840
behind this rise in interest among part of our American

1955
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:39.640
community in abolishing not just ICE, but detention enforcement and borders.

1956
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Is what's going on out there that you're seeing more

1957
01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:43.760
interest in this?

1958
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Do you want the real answer?

1959
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I just want your answer.

1960
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:51.159
Yeah, okay. My answer is we've become a godless society,

1961
01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:54.920
and when you let go of God, you become a

1962
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:59.680
moral And this is what's happening. It's been a slow

1963
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:03.880
creep and people need to wake up. Just like when

1964
01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:06.359
the country started and you had the Great Awakening take place,

1965
01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:09.159
the people woke up and said, my goodness, we're not

1966
01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:12.279
going to realize this great American dream and these ambitions

1967
01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:14.840
that we have as a country on our own. We

1968
01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:18.640
need divine providence. Without divine providence, this is going to happen.

1969
01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.600
So guess what we're revisiting, you know, the seventeen hundreds

1970
01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:25.880
all over again, and people need to connect the dots

1971
01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:28.720
and see, you know, what's happened here. You know, mid sixties,

1972
01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:30.880
we take the Ten Commandments out of the you know,

1973
01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:34.720
out of education. Seemed like you know, okay, a little

1974
01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:39.159
bit of an irritation. Minor deal, serious deal, go back

1975
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to you know, in the in the nineteen thirties, you know,

1976
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.720
Fulton Sheen warned everybody warned the country what birth control

1977
01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:51.039
would do. Okay, that it would end up leading to abortion.

1978
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They thought, this is just some crazy priests. What is

1979
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:56.720
he talking about. I mean, we have gone beyond that.

1980
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We're aboarding babies, we are disfiguring our children, we are

1981
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:04.359
destroying their lives. I mean, you've only got one life

1982
01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:07.680
to live on this planet. And the kind of wackiness

1983
01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:09.960
that's going on that we saw with COVID, that's now

1984
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:13.960
being revealed that you got some mad scientists out there

1985
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:19.800
altering people's lives permanently, Jeremy and so people need to

1986
01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.880
connect the dots and see we you know, we're destroying

1987
01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:26.279
the country, but even more importantly, we're destroying ourselves. That's,

1988
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in my opinion, is what's going on.

1989
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There's there's something to this that seems neilistic to me.

1990
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I agree with you that it's it's sort of like,

1991
01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:38.479
let's throw all of our national community under the bus

1992
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in the favor of really kind of it's it's anarchy.

1993
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M And I do think that we I think that

1994
01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.359
we got here in part because we've allowed things to

1995
01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:51.560
spiral out of control, starting with the border crisis. Of course,

1996
01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:55.000
we've had immigration problems before the border crisis, and what

1997
01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:58.159
did people what did people think was going to happen afterwards?

1998
01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:00.239
I mean, what were our options here? We could say, hey,

1999
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:03.279
we didn't like that border crisis. We wanted it to end,

2000
01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:05.680
but we're going to just let everybody stay. We're just

2001
01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:07.520
going to say, hey, that's a mulligan for millions and

2002
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:10.359
millions of people and all those communities that were overwhelmed,

2003
01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:14.199
the schools, the traffic, the hospitals, they're just gonna have

2004
01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:16.720
to deal with it. Or are we going to say no, no, no,

2005
01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:18.600
We've got to We've got to correct it. We've got

2006
01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:21.199
to we've got to make people go home who aren't

2007
01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:23.800
supposed to be here. That's what your immigration law says

2008
01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:25.479
to happen, right, But how.

2009
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:27.920
You do it? Because it's because it's win win, because

2010
01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:30.840
you can't have people here. I mean that's like inviting. Okay,

2011
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:34.560
your home can hold ten people for dinner, and all

2012
01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:37.600
of a sudden you got thirty. Well what are you

2013
01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:39.840
going to do? How are you going to serve you know,

2014
01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:42.920
two times more, three times more than you you know

2015
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:45.800
you have the capacity to hold. You know, everybody's going

2016
01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:48.000
to be miserable as a result of it, because there's

2017
01:46:48.039 --> 01:46:50.560
compromises that are going to be made. And this is

2018
01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:53.199
what's going on, is we've overwhelmed the system in such

2019
01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:55.439
a way that we put too much pressure on it.

2020
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:58.720
That's untenable. And the thing is some people complain about it.

2021
01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:01.279
And it's not even enough for you to get upset

2022
01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:04.840
when your daughters are raped or murdered. That's not enough

2023
01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:06.720
to get you upset to say, wait a minute, you know,

2024
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:10.079
common sense has to rain here. Oh no, Donald Trump's

2025
01:47:10.119 --> 01:47:12.199
trying to do something about it. The Border Patrol is

2026
01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:13.720
trying to do something I was trying to do something about.

2027
01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:15.439
So we're going to run them over in cars, and

2028
01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:17.279
we're going to threaten them and dox them and do

2029
01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:20.159
all this crazy stuff that we're doing instead of the

2030
01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:23.720
whole basis and foundation of what makes America great and

2031
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:25.680
what makes us good is that we have law and order.

2032
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:28.960
You take law and order out of the proposition, and

2033
01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.119
you have what we have right now, and it's chaotic.

2034
01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:35.079
And chaos is the key. I mean to extend your analogy.

2035
01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:37.840
You've got the capacity for ten people in your home,

2036
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.159
and all of a sudden, you know, they invite their

2037
01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:43.000
entire neighborhoods to come, and you've got two hundred people

2038
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:45.319
in your home and you can't do it. Everybody's fighting

2039
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:48.199
over the bathrooms, they're fighting over the food. The refrigerator

2040
01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:51.560
is empty, the food's falling on the floor, the furniture

2041
01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:53.279
is upturned, right, And what are you going to do?

2042
01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.000
You're going to say, like, Okay, it was a mistake

2043
01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:58.279
to invite the entire neighborhoods of the county into the house,

2044
01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:01.520
but we're just gonna let them stay and continue to

2045
01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:04.920
destroy the house. No, you've got to re establish some

2046
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.520
kind of stability, and then you have to do that

2047
01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:10.199
also in an orderly way. And I think there is

2048
01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:14.560
a backlash to the way that we've completely unfairly, I

2049
01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:18.199
think made all put all of this on one agency's shoulders,

2050
01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:22.760
Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They can't be responsible to reverse

2051
01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:24.840
this surge all on their own. We have to go

2052
01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:27.239
after employers. We have to say, listen, we're going to

2053
01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:30.000
take the jobs away so that you decide on your

2054
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:33.039
own to leave the proverbial home and return back to

2055
01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:37.000
your neighborhoods, to your villages, to your countries. That's the

2056
01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.119
way to do this, and that's why I lay this

2057
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:42.840
ultimately at the feet of Congress. They're in action has

2058
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.960
forced us into another situation where we're choosing a false choice.

2059
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.239
We're choosing between a chaotic border and a chaotic interior.

2060
01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:53.000
We don't have to make that choice. If Congress steps

2061
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:54.760
up and says we're going to actually do this so

2062
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:57.760
that people go home mostly on their own. You take

2063
01:48:57.800 --> 01:49:01.279
away their illegal jobs. They came here make money illegally.

2064
01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:04.199
You take away the illegal jobs, the illegal money, and

2065
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.920
guess what, they make economic decisions just like the rest

2066
01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:09.960
of us, and they go home on their own. Congress

2067
01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:12.279
has to play a role otherwise this is the kind

2068
01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:15.560
of thing, this DNC resolution to abolish the whole thing

2069
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:19.479
borders and all. That's what we get when we replace

2070
01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:20.960
one form of chaos with another.

2071
01:49:21.439 --> 01:49:25.199
Yeah, exactly, And I mean it's replacing one form of

2072
01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:30.439
chaos with another form of chaos that's on steroids, right right, right.

2073
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:32.079
Well exactly, and it just it becomes a game of

2074
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:35.520
escalation where how far can I push the pendulum this way?

2075
01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:37.840
And then you will react to that and say no, no, no,

2076
01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:39.439
we're going to push it even the world away because

2077
01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:42.880
it's about retribution and about sort of punishing the people

2078
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:46.159
who we disagree with politically as opposed to let's find

2079
01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.960
stability somewhere in the middle right that allows us to

2080
01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:51.960
accomplish our goals, which is to enforce the laws of

2081
01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:55.479
the United States, to fulfill the recommendation the yardstick that

2082
01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:58.199
the late Barbara Jordan said, which is that a credible

2083
01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:00.399
immigration policy means that if you should get it, you

2084
01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:02.840
get in. If you shouldn't, you don't, and if you're

2085
01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.880
not supposed to be here, you go home. That's it.

2086
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:07.800
That's the bottom line. But we have to do that

2087
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:10.039
in an orderly manner. And I think that you verify

2088
01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:13.199
going after workers, going after the jobs magnet is the

2089
01:50:13.319 --> 01:50:14.560
key to accomplishing that.

2090
01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:16.520
I agree with you one hundred percent. Jeremy Beck. You've

2091
01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:20.000
been saying this that we we've been incentivizing. Let's you

2092
01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:24.479
say our elected officials have been incentivizing. Yes, everyday Americans

2093
01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:27.279
have participated a little bit in this because they go, well,

2094
01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.199
who's going to watch my kids, who's going to clean

2095
01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:32.279
my house? You know, who's going to cut my lawns?

2096
01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:35.880
You know? This is what's happened is that we've kind

2097
01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:38.600
of lost our mind and we've kind of gotten used

2098
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:41.239
to this. But the bottom line is that what we're

2099
01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:43.319
doing is we're destroying our local communities.

2100
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:44.119
Right.

2101
01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:46.920
We can become addicted to cheap labor because it's it's

2102
01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.800
advantageous to some of us as well. Yeah, it's like

2103
01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:52.920
to I can do something really important. Why somebody else

2104
01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:54.880
mows my lawn and my kid isn't going to learn

2105
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:57.119
how to mow the lawn because hey, my kid's got

2106
01:50:57.119 --> 01:50:59.239
to go to all the travel sports and stuff like that.

2107
01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.640
You know that I'm putting them in. But what are

2108
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:03.600
we doing. We're actually taking away from our kids the

2109
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:05.720
ability to learn a good work ethic, the ability to

2110
01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:08.199
show up on time, do the job well when you

2111
01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:10.399
screw up, have your neighbors say like, hey, listen, you

2112
01:51:10.399 --> 01:51:13.680
missed a spot over here in my yard. Accountability grow

2113
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:16.840
them into the future workforce of America. That's the kind

2114
01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:18.439
of thing that we need to get back to to

2115
01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:20.680
say we're going to invest in our own people. And

2116
01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:22.880
even if that means it takes away a little bit

2117
01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:25.399
of convenience, a little bit of cheap labor convenience that

2118
01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:27.680
the rest of us get, we're better off as a

2119
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.039
country when we are investing in our own community, our

2120
01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:34.800
own national community, our kids, our grandkids, and future generations.

2121
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:37.399
What you're reminding me of is what I've said often

2122
01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:40.359
is that when you find yourself in a situation that's

2123
01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:44.920
untenable and chaotic, leaders will say pause. You know, could

2124
01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:47.760
be parents, could be elected officials, say look at let's

2125
01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:49.680
go back and think when we were doing it right,

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and that's what you just did. Let's go back and

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let's rediscover when we were doing it right. What kind

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of actions were we taking that promoted the right behavior

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and a suitable immigration program that was worthy of America

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and worthy of our guests who were coming in. We

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got forty five seconds. I'll let you wrap it up.

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Go ahead, well, thank you. We had forty five years

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of that in the middle of the twentieth century, where

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we were doing it right, where we had a welcoming system.

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We welcomed in a couple of one hundred thousand people

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every year, three hundred thousand people every year. They assimilated,

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they got into the economic mainstream. It was good for them.

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But those numbers, as high as they were, they allowed

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the continued investment in the American community, and everybody across

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the board found their incomes going up, their wealth going up.

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Nobody benefited more than the descendants of American slavery, but

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every race color creed benefited from those lower immigration levels

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because we were simply saying, if there's a job to do,

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we're going to have to find an American to do it,

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and that served everybody the national community. That's when we

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became a middle class nation. And if we truly want

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to be one again, we're going to have to get

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back to a tight immigration policy.

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Can you imagine all boats were actually rising? Jeremy Beck pisely,

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that's what happens. He's the co president of Numbers USA.

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Jeremy Beck. Thank you, Jeremy, take care, Thank you Bill.

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