May 21, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 05 21 26

The Bill Martinez Show 05 21 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 05 21 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okays do an ill Martinez Live a program about

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current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, Welcome Bill Martinez here along with Landmark

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Legals Mike O'Neil. Hey, Mike, good morning, good morning.

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Love to be with you.

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He always good to have you here. An exciting night

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last night as we're recording this, you know, some surprises,

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not so surprises, but I'll tell you definitely the uh,

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the influence of one Donald Trump. If you thought that

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somehow it was fading because of what happened in earlier elections,

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it really has clearly demonstrated itself in the midst of

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all this supposed controversy about affordability, the lack of you know,

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to hear the mainstream media, the lack of effectiveness of

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this administration, which has been most effective, and it's just

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games that whether you're talking about the war, immigration, and

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even the prospects of how affordable it will be here

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in America around the corner, I think is giving people

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a lot of hope and confidence to support Trump candidates.

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I think so.

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I mean, that's clearly the case those who the Republicans

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who were perceived as not backing the Trump agenda, and

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haven't really haven't. I mean, Thomas Massey has been one

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of the biggest opponents republic quote unquote Republican, I mean

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purely rhyano. He's gone full Rhino right Republican, and he

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he was ousted. I mean, that's an incumbent in a

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in a House of Representative seat ousted in a primary

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Cassidy down in Louisiana was ousted.

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So again, when you see sitting.

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Senators, incumbent senators, incumbent House representatives, particularly high profile ones

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like Thomas Massey being housted in these primaries virtually for

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going against Donald Trump, I mean that's really that. That's

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the reason. It's not it's not rocket science why they

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were ousted. They were failing to back the the Trump agenda.

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And they've paid the political price. And I think, you know,

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it's funny. Particularly in the Senate, I think the frustration

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has been the lack of the Republican leadership and then

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some of these other Rhinos to get behind legislation like

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the Save America Act. Stuff We've talked about a lot

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over and over again, but it it is there. I

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am heartened a little bit to see some political accountability.

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The McConnell's hand pick successor in Kentucky did not was

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not successful.

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Yesterday, So that's that's good. These are these are swampy kind.

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Of Republicans who have really kind of put the speed

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bumps in implementing important pieces of legislation, and none more

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important than the Same America Act.

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It's too bad job doing what's primary you.

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Know, well, well, I think it reinforces what you were

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suggesting earlier, and that is united, we stand, Divided, we fall.

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And the Republican Party has been fortunate because of the

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power of Donald Trump. But the people are saying, look

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at if you're not for Donald Trump and supporting his

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America First priorities and his policies, and we don't have

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room for you. So, you know, he endorses. I was

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surprised it took him this long. I'm not sure why

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strategically that it took him so long to endorse Ken Paxton.

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Yeah, I think he was kind of keeping his power

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to drive a little bit there. That that case again,

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that one hasn't been completely resolved, but the Texas Republican

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Senate primary. That being said, I think Paxton had telegraphed

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this months ago or weeks ago, said look, I'll drop

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out of the race, Cornyan if you backed the Same

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America Act.

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Exactly. Yes, he did offer that, Yes, right.

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What a masterful and again I'm not the first to

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say this, but a masterful political stroke.

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And that just.

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Showed in cornand didn't didn't didn't follow that. I can't

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believe it. You're this is again just to go down

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this road a little bit, because it's important to continue

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to talk about this is this is a piece of

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legislation that eighty percent of Americans, not Republicans, not Democrats,

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Americans agree on our support, and for it not to

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not to get through the United States Senate is absurd.

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Just to backtrack really.

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Quickly on this, because I think this is the locus

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of a lot of the problems here, is that if

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the Republicans in the Senate, if the McConnell's, if the Thunes,

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if the Cordons had gotten behind the Same America Act

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and put the full force and power of their offices

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into getting this piece of legislation through, I think they'd

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still be well.

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Obviously, in the case of Courdon, at least from what.

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We can see, they'd still be politically viable, and all

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they had to do was demand that the Democrats engage

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in the traditional filibuster. These guys are dying on this

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hill of this zombie filibuster for what reason.

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I don't know. Yeah, it is absolutely bizarre.

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Yeah, it's a mystery to us and eighty percent of

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the country because it's that academic. The other thing too,

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that gave some props to Ken Paxton, as you'll recall

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in this position, his Attorney general Texas, he scored a

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historic settlement with Texas Children's Hospital late last week. Now,

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the hospital was exposed for performing sex change operations on children,

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and it was Paxton who aggressively prosecuted the hospital and

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the doctors involved. The hospital administration decided to settle the

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case and it's going to pay ten million dollars for

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fraudulently billing Texas Medicaid and will create the nation's first

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de transition clinic deal patients reverse the damage of so

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called gender affirming care. I mean, this is huge.

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Yeah, I'm glad the lunacy, if that period of our

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country is beginning to recede and there's some accountability here.

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And again Packson hasn't hesitated to push these tough issues

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that might be tough from the main our perspective. Of

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course it's common sense, but to push these aggressive conservative principles.

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And I think that that's probably largely why he was

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successful in his prime, or why he's so far largely

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proving successful for this.

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Well, look at all all the heat though he took

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when you know, he was the one, you know, pretty

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much at the forefront in talking about voter fraud after

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the twenty twenty election, right, and he got castigated. And

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then here it is another person has been you know,

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convicted of voter fraud. Uh, and that is uh, let

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me see that happened in LA. You got no big

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surprise there, Right, You've got this uh this I say

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skid row worker. Actually she was working skid row to

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register people to vote. And you know there they don't

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need you know, people don't need an address to register

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to vote. Well, they do, but this particular person, Brenda

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Lee Brown Armstrong, frequently put her home address on the

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voter registration form signed by homeless individuals. I guess there's there.

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I guess we shouldn't be too concerned about voter fraud

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and ballot stuffing there and now Angeles, right.

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No, that's that's endemic. That's endemic in Los Angeles.

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That's wherever you remove these reasonable protections and just reasonable

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protections and ensuring that people vote in person paper ballots,

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that there's confirmation of residency, and again.

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All of this stuff, that's a lot of this stuff

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that's contained in the Save America Act that really demands

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federal legislation at this point, and I come to that

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reluctantly right Instinctionally, I want to say that states have

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the authority to conduct the elections as they deem fit,

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but it's become such a disaster in so many states

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Washington State, Oregon, California, and they become uniparty one party states.

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Fraud is rampant. It takes merculean efforts. It takes a

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city like Los Angeles to descend into absolute chaos and

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depravity in order for a non Democrat machine individual i e.

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Sprinds of Pratt to have a fighting chance to.

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Become the mayor.

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And again there's no guarantees that he's going to be elected,

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but you have an incompetent income poop running the city

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into the absolute ground to the point where.

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You have thousands of zombie meth.

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And fentonol addicts roaming the streets, creating all kinds of

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horrible chaos.

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It has to get to that point.

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And even and even then an outsider comes in has

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only a you know, fifty to fifty shot of overturning

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that that machine. That that's what Karen bass and power,

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that's how that's how crazy it is.

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So the point again is.

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The number one priority of these guys in the Senate

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turning into the Republicans and turning it to the to

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the Senate is getting voter integrity through. And again, it

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would be Nanna from heaven for the Magabas to actually

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see such a piece of legislation get through.

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If the bar is so low.

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You guys, you know inflation, immigration, voter integrity, you do that,

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you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna sail.

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And yet they don't get the message, right.

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Phil, Yeah, it is amazing how uh they go against this.

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Now we're gonna go to break and when we come back. Uh,

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you know my question about this, Brenda Lee Brown Armstrong,

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this is one person She's been doing this for twenty years.

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Mike so yeah for twenty years. So you know, you

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sit there and you go, okay, follow the money. I mean,

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she's turned this into a cottage industry that much like

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the Somali's. You wonder, okay, who else is doing this?

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Going to break back with Mike after this? Stay with us.

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Hey, welcome back. Good to have you with us. Spill

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Martinez here along with Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal. Hey, Mike,

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you know, as we're saying, the voter fraud continues to

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run rampant. You know, I don't know if you saw

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the story about this scal who's been doing this for

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twenty years in Los Angeles. You know, you know Republicans,

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you know, we talk about, you know, voter ID legislation,

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and majority of the country clearly eighty percent says we

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should have voter ID. Democrats insists fraud doesn't exist. I mean,

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even the former Attorney General Eric Holder says, oh, no,

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there's no such thing as voter fraud. And I keep going, okay,

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why are people getting arrested and put in jail if

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there's no such thing as voter fraud? But this gal,

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this is an incredible story. Brenda Lee Brown Armstrong. I mean,

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she's been doing this for twenty years, she's been registering

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the homeless. And what I'm saying is, look at the

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homeless population in Los Angeles is over seventy thousand people. Okay,

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Now think about this. This is a voting block that

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she's commandeered. I'm not saying she's got all one hundred percent,

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but she barely as a number. Okay, think about what

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happened in Minnesota. All it took was eighty thousand Somalis

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to control the state, right Hi, I mean, so what

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is this woman doing here? And they finally caught up

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with her, and you say, well, Bill, how can they

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possibly register to vote? Aren't they supposed to show an address?

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You know? Like, how do you show that? Oh? I

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live under you know, the Sunset Boulevard overpass, and I'm

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the fifth tent over that's my address. That doesn't work.

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What this gal? She gave them her address to put

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on the registration form. Is this incredible?

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It's incredible, but it's absolutely not surprising.

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If you're even vaguely familiar with what goes on in California,

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then this is this is just I guess, confirmation of

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what you suspect.

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It's not suspect it's just affirmation of what we know exists.

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So what happens with this stuff is there's an incentive

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when you have when you've removed all reasonable protections on

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the voting, on voting, and when you have essentially open voting,

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and that's what they have in California. There's no verification systems.

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You don't have to show identification to vote. You don't

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have to establish that you're a citizen. You don't even

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have to establish that you're a resident. Obviously, if you

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say you're a resident of California, that's enough, and then

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anything they want to fill in, it's it's amazing. In California,

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there is no communications between state agencies.

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So for example, let me lay this out to you

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a little bit. The DMV.

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You can obviously if you're not a citizen. Even if

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you're it doesn't matter if you're a citizen, or if

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you're not a Citysian. You can obtain a driver's license

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at California. I don't even think they verify whether you're

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here legally or illegally.

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That's the something point.

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Right when you registered, when you rent, when you apply

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for a driver's license California, you're automatically h registered to vote,

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and you have to affirmatively opt out and say I

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do not want to register to vote, and unless you

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do that, you're going to be registered to vote. And

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so you also indicate you do also indicate whether you're

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a citizen or you're not a citizen. So so so

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the DMB in California has a list of people who

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are not citizens who have to have obtained driver's license,

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and they have information on those individuals. So it would

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make sense that that information was shared with the state

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Secretary of State, with the Secretary of State of California,

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who's ensured whose job is to ensure that ineligible people

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are not inevertently.

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Placed on the voter roles.

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So all would take would be the d m V

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communicating with the Secretary of State. And again this is

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all this is all inside the California agency system, So

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it's not the public.

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Saying, hey, here's here's a list of people in.

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This county who indicated that they're not citizens. Let's cross

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references that information to see whether they're on the voting lists,

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you know, to make sure that we're that we have.

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Clean voting roles.

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There's a law in California that prevents the d m

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V from talking to the Secretary of State. Why would

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there be a law other than to make affirmative to

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ensure that the voting rules aren't accurate enough today.

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So nobody goes to jail.

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Mike's exactly, It's to protect the fraudulent system that's in place,

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right because we know what happens when you begin to

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unravel this and start to look at it, it becomes

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at all. It's like as you were saying in Somalia,

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once you start the Somalia's in Minnesota, once you start

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to unravel these threads of fraud, then it just becomes

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it just metastasizes.

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Now it's really it's amazing.

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California has, you know, procedural barriers to ensure that the

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improper voting registrations continue.

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Incidentally, here they don't.

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They send every single name on whether you want to

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or not, you get a mail ballot in California, it

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doesn't matter. So that means the state election season is

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just flooded with mail ballots. So any given place could

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have one hundred mail ballots that are just completely unsupervised.

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They accept mail ballots everywhere. We know the fraud that

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can happen in mail ballots. Well, last point, and I

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think this is always important to talk about about how

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difficult it is to actually prove or or for I

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think we've talked about this before, but it bears repeat.

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I once a vote has been cast and thrown into

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the stream of commerce, it's really hard to pull out

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the fraudulently cast votes because they're already in there. Think

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about it in terms of a river. If I had

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some pollution and I pour it in the river, and

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then three miles down the road, you know the river

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flows for three more miles, I can't necessarily identify where

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that pollution was placed in the river because it's all

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flown out. So similarly, say you have one hundred thousand

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votes are casts, and six thousand are fraudulently cast.

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Six percent are fraudulely.

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Cast, and we know that could be just positive, right,

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unless you can turn on four or five thousand and

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three thousand votes six thousand are fraudulently casts.

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You have to fill those hundred thousand.

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You have to isolate the six thousand that were fraudulently

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can It's incredible, and you have to show up proud

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of by beyond a reasonable doubt. So this is all

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it's a very hard system. So what do you do

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at the outset? You ensure that their protections in place

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at the beginning, clean voter rules, voter ID, citizenship verification,

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in person voting. You ensure all of that's good at

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the front end, so at the back end you don't

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have these problems.

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Right exactly. And the thing is is that what raises

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flags for me is that the Democrats are real good

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at at cheating and voter fraud. There are ten degree

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black belts by comparison, and this leads to me to

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believe that this woman who they caught, how many others

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because just like just like in Minnesota, they franchise this out.

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You know, it doesn't stay in Minnesota. It's all over

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the country. It doesn't stay in LA It's all over

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the country. They're doing the same thing.

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So what you.

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Get are you get these fly by night voter registration

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organizations that are attached to NGOs.

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They get from they get money. We know that's how

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this happens.

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Yeah, they get they get money, and then they give

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money to the politicians to protect them.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's a self serving recket.

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It's so incestuous, and again it doesn't take a lot.

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So you train up to I call it manufacturing votes.

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You know, that's the best phrase, is manufacturing the votes.

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You go out there and you descend, especially when you

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have mail ballots like this and you just say, oh,

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missus smith, you know you're knocking a door somebody who

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might not have voted. Can you sign this, sign this form?

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Don't you want to vote? Don't you want to excise

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your right to vote? So there's that way to do it, right.

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There's going out and having a bunch of mail ballots,

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having people fill them out.

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You're manufacturing. It's not necessarily illegal, but.

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It's people who wouldn't have voted before who you get

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to cast a vote because you do the ballot harvesting

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and all that et cetera. Then so there's the manufacturing

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of votes. All it takes for that is if you

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have one hundred people and they go out and they

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have to do fifty votes per person, or it's say

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twenty See you have fifteen people in a fly by

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night organization that operates outside of a shopping center for

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a couple of months, and they employ thirty or forty

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people and every day you send those, you pay them

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twenty bucks an hour, and you say, go out there.

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And why this is the early voting stuff, right, this

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is why they want to have to dimpl voting. Go

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out there, I need twenty votes for you. I need

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you to bring back me twenty votes today. And they

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have twenty people doing it for twenty votes a day

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for three weeks.

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Do the map, right, you've.

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Just manufactured a bunch of votes that and then of

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course you have to supplement that is you have the

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incidents of.

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What you're talking about where there's the rampant fraud. So

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it's not hard to manipulate the system.

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And they are as you said, they are ten degree

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black belts in exploiting those systemic weaknesses.

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Well, and the course has already been proven that they

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will all go to these retirement homes, right, yeah, that's why.

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And they're getting people that you know, they're semi comatose

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and they're voting, and you know it's disgusting what they do,

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but this is the way they roll. And but yet

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they insist that there's no there's no voter fraud. This

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is why the Save Act is so is so important

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because you know, America has been screaming they've had enough

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of this stuff. I mean, look at January sixth, we

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had American citizens go to jail and be mistreated. I mean,

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they're treated like they were in a third world country,

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not the United States of America. Their constitutional rights were

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infringed upon. And some way there's going to be a

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reckoning on this, you know, I believe there must be

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because of the way, you know, American citizens were treated.

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And even to this day, you've got over sixty percent

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of Americans saying, you know that the twenty twenty election

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was fraudulent.

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Yeah, absolutely, and you see the damage that causes. You know,

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a couple of things.

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Number one, you mentioned the ballot harvesting. That remember why

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back in the eighteen hundreds. Remember back in the seventeen

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to eighteen hundreds, the concept of a secret ballot was

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something that was foreign to the country. But why did

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the concept of a secret ballot come in? In other words,

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you go into the voting booth, you pull the you know,

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traditionally pull the cart back. Nobody's The purpose of the

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secret ballot is that somebody isn't standing next to you asserting.

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Undue influence on you how to vote.

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Remember you'd stand, you know, traditionally, back in the old days,

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you'd stand in these rooms and put your hand up, Oh,

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I want to vote for Mike O'Neill, and everybody else votes,

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screams and yells at you, and then asserts undue influence.

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So the whole ballot harvesting principle, that issue you're talking about,

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where you have these volunteers or these paid people I

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shouldn't say vlunteers, pay people who descend on these vulnerable populations.

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That undermines the entire concept of the secret ballot because

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they can exercise this undue influence. Well, I know you

483
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want to see the country get better, don't you. I

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know you're really upset about the direction of the country,

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Missus Smith. So don't you want to make sure your

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vote counts?

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Okay?

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Is vote for Joe Biden or vote for whom for

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this that sounds done right? This is and of course

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that undermines the entire concept of the secret ballot, which

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was so important to ensure that.

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You are exactly undo influence. Next is what you were saying.

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The second point you were saying, I think is the

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Save Act, right, is the federal government has to step

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into this breach because as we've seen, these states have

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been so deficient. We're talking about this earlier states are

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so deficient in how they in how they run their elections.

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Federal government has a role as originally it was kind

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of an envisioned as a back end congressional role. Primarily

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it was going to be the states. But the Framers

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and the founders never envisioned the states being so deficient and.

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How they run their elections exactly.

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So we have to have Congress step in, which is

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I say amen to that, but we'll see whether that.

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Ends up happening.

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I'm with you. He is the assistant General counsel at

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Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil, Thank you, Mike, take care of me.

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Bill Martinez here along with the professor of political science

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Etsducky State University doctor Wilfrid Reiley. He joins us, Now,

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will how you doing good?

583
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Good?

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How are you hey? I've been terrific. Good to have

585
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you on to talk about the latest here. I mean,

586
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Donald Trump is doing everything he can to avoid war.

587
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I mean this is quite I think an interesting time

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for people to learn that, you know, you don't necessarily

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have to go out and you know, let the bombs fly.

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It's okay to keep your powder dry and let some

591
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reason come to the surface and see if there's a

592
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way to avoid massive carnage. Because I know there's other

593
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people that are very you know, very hawkish on this issue,

594
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and they're frustrated that Trump hasn't already you know, blown

595
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Iran out of you know, off the planet.

596
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Yeah, I mean, I I do think Trump is trying

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to negotiate as much as possible. We've seen that we've

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had talks with Iran for the past really a couple

599
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of weeks since the active fighting stuff. I have mixed

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feelings about this myself. I mean I might have pursued

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the war for a few more weeks because I mean,

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we were winning the physical portion of the conflict. You

603
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know we'd You know, the statistics that come out of

604
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a battlefield are always lies, if you watch Russia and Ukraine,

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or you watch what Gaza says, even what Israel says,

606
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what Armenia says. But I mean, we claimed that we'd

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killed about four thousand Iranians. That's probably mostly true. They

608
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killed about fifteen of our troops. I mean, we can't

609
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really lie about our casualties. We were doing quite well.

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We'd had that heroic rescue of our airmen that had

611
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been downed, I mean movie level stuff. And the thing

612
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is we had gotten them back on their heels, and

613
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they were they had they had defended themselves well enough

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to retain the Strait of horm Moose, which is really

615
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the only thing of value that Iran had. So had

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we continued the conflict, we probably would have gotten control

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of the strait, leaving Iran, and control of the strait

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allowed to say that they'd won the war, basically because

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this Strait of horm Moose is this, for those in

620
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the audience that don't know, is this ten mile wide

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body of water through which passes most of you might correct,

622
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but much or most of the world's oil supply, world

623
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liquefied natural gas supply. So Iran is now mad because

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they took a whipping in a military conflict. So they're

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blocking one end of the Strait of horm Moose and

626
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they're basically taxing everyone that passes through. Their gun boats

627
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in there and what they call fast boats, which are

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really just boats of the kind you'd take out with

629
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your friends on the weekend with guns on them. But

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Chinese vessels have been stopped, and there's this video where

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an Indian ships captain bravely gets his ship halfway through

632
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and that has to pull it back and all all

633
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this so Trump is sort of tolerating this. Even American

634
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ships have been threatened while the negotiations are going on.

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And I think something a lot of Republicans are saying

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is if we just resumed the fighting, that would stop

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and we'd probably take the straight. And had we continued

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the hard fighting, that would have stopped because we would

639
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have taken the straight. That's the argument of the you know,

640
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speak loudly and carry a big stick school. The response

641
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is why we would have lost another twenty or so guys.

642
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We would have spent billions of dollars and it's never

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a sure thing. I mean, what if they had mined

644
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the straight what if they had put bombs out there?

645
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So I mean there, if you can talk, you should

646
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always talk. But it's there is an argument that we

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we would have done better to hit extremely hard, get

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out there, try to take that before they could have

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done anything to it. You know, I think Trump knows

650
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what he's doing, hexth knows what he's doing. But that's

651
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that's a real debate. That's a debate within the right.

652
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I mean, obviously the left would have argued, well, we

653
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should never have gone to war with these beautiful people

654
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of the Holy faith anyway, right.

655
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Right, exactly. Well, and the other thing too that I

656
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you know, consider is that had he you know, went

657
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ahead and just moved on it and closed closed the deal,

658
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that would have quieted the left because what could they

659
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say then at that point. Now, because there is a pause,

660
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it gives them room to, you know, bring in their ideas,

661
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like as if they know what they're talking about, which

662
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.359
they've never known what they've talked about, especially when it

663
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comes to conflicts like these and the and the mainstream media.

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I mean, you know, just like you said, I mean,

665
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at some point you've got to trust the commander in chief.

666
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And I have more confidence frankly in Donald Trump than

667
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I do certainly a Joe Biden or even a Barack Obama.

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Yeah, and I will say international conflict is one of

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those areas where presidents of both parties have been reasonably

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competent just because crazy woke theory. There's no hasn't really

671
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.279
been any space for it to creep in. Yeah, you know,

672
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no one's going to No one's going to re elect

673
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you if you get thousands of soldiers killed or if

674
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you lose a state or something like that. And I

675
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mean I think where I think where the liberal stuff

676
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.720
is crept in for left wing presidents is the creeping

677
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.160
loss after victory, the idea for even compassionate conservatives that

678
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.880
the goal is never victory and conquest. It can't be.

679
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.320
You don't just take the oil. I think Trump's been

680
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.760
a refreshing kind of pullback there, but you settle in

681
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.800
you nation. Bill Arab Feminism was a term Hillary Clinton

682
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.400
once used. That's where you've seen a lot of the

683
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.559
modern theory impacting the contemporary Democratic Party. But in terms

684
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.880
of just like going in and you know, firing missiles.

685
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.719
Barack Obama was as ruthless as anybody. I mean, Barack

686
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.519
Obama was drone striking Americans and I don't really have

687
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.920
a problem with that if they're associated with terrorist groups.

688
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.239
So there hasn't there hasn't really been a sharp delineation

689
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.280
along party lines overseas. And that goes back to Kennedy

690
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.800
who said, you know, a lot of this stops at

691
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the water line. You may think I'm a liberal Democrat.

692
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.559
And Kennedy was a liberal Democrat by nineteen sixties terms,

693
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.119
which is to say, a radical John Birch right winger

694
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.400
by today's terms. And if we're talking about fighting the

695
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.199
Vietnam War, like we all agree on disliking the viet Cong, right,

696
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.440
And I mean I think today almost everyone that John

697
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.719
Fetterman or you know what's is the Black South Carolina

698
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.360
and Big Jim Cliber and everyone disagree. Everyone agrees on

699
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.679
disliking the Taliban. So there's less of the political stuff

700
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in in that that realm right exactly.

701
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Yeah, Well, and you know, so we have a pause,

702
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and you know it is what it is. And uh

703
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.239
and I have to believe that he Seth and Raisin

704
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.360
Kane are doing all the intel gathering that they can

705
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.639
do to where you know, when Donald Trump says, okay,

706
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.039
open up the gates, you know, go render justice, all

707
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:48.000
hell will break loose and and General Kine and the

708
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.239
military are going to have you know, like they knew

709
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.880
so much already before, but how much more since the

710
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:59.119
pause has they've been able to you know, coalesce their

711
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.599
intel with Israel and with all parties to where if

712
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.239
it's like okay, if you're gonna, if you're gonna let

713
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.920
it go, get ready, you know, it's it's back where

714
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.960
like Trump, uh, you know, told the one Taliban leader,

715
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.000
we know where you live here. In fact, let me

716
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show you a picture of your house, right.

717
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:18.679
Yeah, well this I actually think this is a really

718
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important point. Like when people talk about the cost of

719
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Special Forces or they ask why are we friends with Israel?

720
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One of the reasons for this is that the USA

721
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has one of the world's best intel the world's best

722
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intel net. Israel and Britain might come close. But one

723
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of my good buddies, Brooks Crenshaw, who's a guy who

724
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started the Unified Solutions America sort of anti woke consulting

725
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company with me, was an intel guy with the Navy

726
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Seal Teams and like before we move into a company,

727
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:48.679
into a country oft a month, two months before, those

728
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.840
guys are over there dressed like Arabs, like riding around

729
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on horses to a degree that like most people don't understand,

730
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Like they're dropped off in small, low entry aircraft and

731
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they are on the ground, and there's there's a pretty

732
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high level of attrition. I mean, that's what they sign

733
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up for, and you're gathering it's very specific, like level

734
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.599
of which village is associated with which side intel. And

735
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.960
we also add to that, I mean what Israel. I mean,

736
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the whole thing with the Masade is, you know, through deception,

737
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.000
through trickery, do we wage war, Like we're gathering what

738
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:26.639
they know through blackmail, through everything they've picked up from

739
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.079
their agents and you know, female spies on the ground

740
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.119
and so on, through over a period of years and decades.

741
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And that that's Israel's main contribution to the relationship with America.

742
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By the way, like all their intelligence from the region,

743
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.320
and they live in a pretty hostile neighborhood from the

744
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.800
inception to today. So yeah, I mean, I would imagine

745
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.280
we know pretty much everything that's going on in Iran

746
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.920
and a lot of these countries is the last comment.

747
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.280
I mean, there's a pretty one downside of dictatorship. It's

748
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like the downside of slavery is that you have all

749
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.280
these captured. Of course are a lot of downside slavery,

750
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.679
it's Marley rockins on. But one practical downside of slavery

751
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.880
is that it doesn't work. You have all these captured

752
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.159
foreign warriors from Greece if you're Rome, or from West

753
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.559
Africa if you're America, and they keep revolting. You keep

754
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.280
getting these NAT turners and so on, and it's much

755
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.960
cheaper to use tractors. Similarly, a problem with dictatorship is

756
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.719
that a lot of people hated, so they're all of

757
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.960
these people that are just waiting to revolt. I mean

758
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.920
half of Iranians still refer to themselves as Persians or

759
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.440
Assyrians or whatever exactly. I mean in Iran, there are

760
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.519
a whole bunch of people that are tipping off the

761
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.880
Israelis and tipping off the American SF and so on.

762
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:47.960
There's a picture of the Iranian leader who's the first

763
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.519
Iranian leader to die. During the last war, we killed

764
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.280
something like forty seven of the top fifty, but standing

765
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.320
near one of the brigadiers. That's in the top ten

766
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.880
in the country's leadership. And I remember being told, but

767
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.400
I think the New York Times that he's gone. He

768
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.679
left the country and went first to Israel, that I

769
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.239
think to England as the conflict accelerated, because he was

770
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.639
a trader of the entire time, and he was the

771
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.280
asset for Masad in Israel. So all of those kind

772
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.800
of guys are feeding knowledge to us or to the

773
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.719
Masad or to whatever else, and we don't have the

774
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.119
same problem to the same extent. I would speculate that

775
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like China, which is, you know, a you know, somewhat

776
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.280
fascistic state, but functional, probably doesn't have that problem to

777
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much of a degree at all.

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Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here with the professor of

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political science at Kentucky State University, the author of Tamboo

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Ten Facts you can talk about and Li's my liberal

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teacher taught me. Before we pick up on some additional news,

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we're coming into Memorial Weekend, a time of honor. You know,

862
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we talked about the military and conflict, but this is

863
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a very special day and time that is reserved for

864
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those that have paid the ultimate price. Over a million

865
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million Americans have given up their lives for the sake

866
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of liberty.

867
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Will Yeah, it's an amazing number. I mean, the United States,

868
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the United States of America has only been at peace

869
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for something like twenty years during our history, and that's

870
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often used to make us sound like a war mongering,

871
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militaristic power, but it's not really the case. I mean,

872
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we spent a lot of that time opposing global communism,

873
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which is really the background for the Vietnam War, the

874
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Korean War. We've one of my books I pointed out

875
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that a lot of what we're told in the schools

876
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isn't exactly correct. I mean, we're sometimes sold those as

877
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colonialist wars that started for no reason. No, we're trying

878
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.639
to counter the spread of an ideology from Moscow and Beijing.

879
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World War two, we were fighting the Nazis. I mean

880
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.400
for that, we were often fighting attacks in our own

881
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.159
country from I mean the great Indian tribes and the

882
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.079
War of eighteen twelve, the British attack. They wanted the

883
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.440
country back, They burnt the White House. So I mean

884
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.679
it to maintain this nation which began on the fringe

885
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.639
of this vast I won't say uninhabited. There were many

886
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:26.840
noble folk here, but unsettled, undeveloped continent, and moved inward

887
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and became the world superpower, required force of arms. And yeah,

888
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.960
many many brave people died. And that's what that's what

889
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.280
Memorial Day is all about. And I would also remember,

890
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.239
I mean, we have a lot of holidays that reflect

891
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.920
what it costs to build civilization. Even Labor Day originally

892
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.920
honored all of those people that died building the country.

893
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It wasn't just sort of the working man. It was

894
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.800
memorial to the fact that, say, building the railroads through

895
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.199
the American heartland cost tens of thousands of lives. So yeah,

896
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.039
there's a cost to the building of civilization. And that's

897
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.519
where those sayings that we now use almost as cliches.

898
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.639
But freedom isn't free and so on come from. When

899
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.519
our great hero fathers got here, there was nothing not

900
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to detigrate the Indians. I mean, there are great cities

901
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.920
down south of the border and so on, but most

902
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.599
of the North American tribes were living and not really

903
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.360
even the Bronze Age, they had astects, I think that

904
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.360
reached that point. But in the Stone Age, and we

905
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.239
built the railroads that exist in the United States. We

906
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.519
built all of the cities, we built all of the roads.

907
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.360
And there's an entertaining dispute between Anglos and Blacks and

908
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.119
Irishmen and the Chinese, Mexican America. This someone about who

909
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did what. But like the people that arrived here from

910
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.199
the Old World within the past five hundred years built

911
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.440
the entire civilization. So that's not something that you can

912
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.320
say in Europe or in China or something like that.

913
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.199
So that's why we have all these holidays and all

914
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.079
these monuments and so on, because this is something that

915
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.400
happened very recently. And I don't know who else could

916
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.239
say something even similar. Maybe a Brazilian.

917
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.159
Yeah, I don't know, but but you make up a

918
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.360
great point here, you know, because you know, terms like

919
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.800
a government of for by we the people clearly was

920
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.760
manifest in the buildout of civilization and the buildout of America,

921
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.960
as you said, people of all shades, colors and that.

922
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.199
And and to me, I don't want us to miss

923
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.039
what happened here recently with the decision from the Supreme

924
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:33.320
Court to announce to not only America, to the world

925
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:39.719
that systemic racism in America is a bygone era. I

926
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.320
to me, I think that's something to celebrate. It's it's

927
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.480
liberating in and of itself will because I mean, I

928
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:51.039
grew up in a situation in an area of California.

929
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:53.559
I didn't know this problem ntil I went to college.

930
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.280
I went to college. All of a sudden, you know,

931
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.559
friends that I played ball with and and that, and

932
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.760
you know, all of a sudden, and everything became black panthered,

933
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.280
and and I'm going, what the heck? What is going

934
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.880
on here? And talking about discrimination. I'm going wait a minute,

935
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.119
you played on my little league team. I didn't care

936
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about the color of your skin. All I cared is

937
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.599
that if I threw the ball at you, you could

938
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catch it and tag the guy out or tag first

939
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.400
base when you got up to bat. I didn't care.

940
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:20.320
I just wanted you to get a hit. And I

941
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was cheering for you. So I didn't know from it.

942
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.840
And then here it is. You know, for decades we

943
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.239
had to carry this albatross with us to go okay.

944
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.199
You know, I'm sorry. I just cannot relate to systemic

945
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.800
you know, it's not in my heart. But now it's

946
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.679
kind of like, you know, the Supreme Court just saying,

947
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.280
look it, there's no evidence. And I wanted to I

948
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.960
just wanted to cheer, you know, for America and for

949
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.280
everybody living in this country, you know, striving for that

950
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.880
as as the Constitution talked about and the Declaration of Independence,

951
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.159
a more perfect union. Not to say that we'll arrive there,

952
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.760
but I think as an aspiration, I think that's a

953
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.599
great goal to search for, don't you think.

954
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.039
Yeah. So, first of all, I had pretty much the

955
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.199
same experience in college. I didn't really hear a lot

956
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.639
about oppression at all in an integrated working class neighborhood.

957
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.079
And I think this is interesting. And I mean you

958
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.159
can argue, well, that's because all of you were at

959
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.079
the same social levels, you'd notice the overarching system grinding

960
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.840
you down. But I mean I grew up in East Aurra,

961
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.760
just outside of Chicago. I was born in Chicago itself

962
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:33.039
and the neighborhood of Hispanics, Blacks, Bosnians, Irishman Italians, and

963
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.159
it was exactly the same situation. I mean, most people

964
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.119
in my high school who were male played sports basketball,

965
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.280
I was also a track man. People played baseball, People

966
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.239
got along really well. A lot of relationships were interracial.

967
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.039
I mean I dated people in all different ethnicities, and

968
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.559
there was a good deal of teasing, some of it

969
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:55.119
pretty r rated, but nobody really cared that much. And

970
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.159
there were not significant advantages that anybody really seemed to

971
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.440
have that I noticed. You might get terrassed slightly less

972
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.519
by the police if you were white, you might get

973
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.800
a starting position slightly easier if you were black, but

974
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.679
there were very very few major advantages. And like seeing

975
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:14.559
a Hispanic work at Bobox Market, this being a Polish

976
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:18.880
guy would be absolutely not nothing of note. And when

977
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:20.719
I got to college, people seem to have all these

978
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.760
crazy demographic theories for like neighborhoods like mine had books

979
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.920
written about them, like Street Corner Society, where people described

980
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.239
working class culture and got it entirely wrong, and there

981
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.280
were all these questions about People kept discussing what was

982
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.599
wrong with hood areas, and the only thing that seemed

983
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.000
acceptable to say was racism. And having come from one

984
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.039
of these, although at the more functional end, I kept saying, well,

985
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.079
I mean one of the biggest problems was the youth gangs.

986
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:47.800
Every race had one, you need it had to get

987
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.159
rid of them. It's a major problem. When they started

988
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.880
locking them up, things got a lot better. And the

989
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.559
response to that was, well, weren't the youth gang caused

990
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.440
by racism? And I was like, well, my, you know,

991
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.280
half of them were Hispanic, I third of them were white.

992
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.639
I mean, it didn't make any since at all to

993
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.480
say that. So it was just there seemed to be

994
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.960
this set. This was the start of critical theory, like

995
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.800
where the only acceptable explanation for everything was prejudice. And

996
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.360
if you point out, well, you know in prison nationally,

997
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.880
you know, forty percent of the inmates are poor whites,

998
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.000
and twenty percent of them are Hispanics. What does that

999
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.199
have to do with it? There's just there's no response

1000
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.199
to ten percent or Native American Indians. There's just no

1001
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.440
response to that at all, and they just move on

1002
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.280
to the next topic.

1003
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:26.079
Exactly.

1004
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.800
I encountered this myself, and it was just it was

1005
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.559
just extremely bizarre. But my own majors were short of

1006
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:33.679
politics and business was practical stuff. So I had a

1007
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.639
year of it then I moved on. But it's it's

1008
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.920
an experience a lot of kids have had, and it's

1009
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:41.760
I think for most men. If you're majoring in engineering

1010
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:43.239
or something, you just kind of go through and you're like, ah,

1011
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.239
that's those idiots. But then you see it in real

1012
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.719
life and it kind of left the campus and you

1013
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.079
start seeing it in your business and there's the seminar

1014
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.599
and the critic of the missing Marxist dimension in the

1015
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.039
trading floor, and it's sort of just you understand it's

1016
00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.679
not going away, and you're gonna have to resist it

1017
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:00.559
at some point point.

1018
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.840
Right without a doubt. Well, and even you know, as

1019
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:06.280
we're talking right now, you've got all these I guess,

1020
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.679
these many riots that are happening in the streets and

1021
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.840
you know where you've got these gangs that are you know,

1022
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.840
going in and accosting businesses, and you know, it's just

1023
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.719
it's just insane. And to me, I just think about

1024
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.880
what a waste of humanity will you know, Like you say,

1025
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.719
you got an engineer and you know, somebody who's focused

1026
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.960
on their career, and that's what they you know, the

1027
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.400
rest of the stuff is noise. You know, it doesn't pertain,

1028
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.639
it's not it's not part of the circus that they

1029
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.599
want to be involved in. And so you know, God

1030
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.639
blessed them for staying focused and avoiding that kind of

1031
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.840
kind of thing. But for others that are vulnerable and

1032
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.440
weak minded, they get caught up in that and then

1033
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.559
all of a sudden it becomes justification and an excuse

1034
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.920
to be lesser than which is a choice of their own,

1035
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.159
not necessarily something that's you know, civilization or the culture

1036
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.039
or their zip code imposed on them.

1037
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.960
Of course. Yeah, I mean with the team takeovers, I

1038
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.360
think that another thing that's very another thing that I've noticed,

1039
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.400
and again I've heard a lot of people mention this,

1040
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.679
Like Steve Saylor, the hard right commenter, was the first

1041
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.440
person I heard make this point again. I think he's

1042
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.000
a guy that comes from sort of like a working

1043
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:17.840
middle class background in California. But common sense is usually accurate.

1044
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:23.159
And because of the extreme concentration of the hard left

1045
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.880
in academia, we've seen a move away from common sense.

1046
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.960
Like common sense usually comes from discourse among different perspectives,

1047
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.719
right Like, you'll have the liberal who says, like, hey,

1048
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.800
you know, I'm still a Christian by background, I think

1049
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.039
we have to give everyone eight chances. And then you'll

1050
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.559
have the say a priest. He'll say like, and I

1051
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:42.920
know I am too, but I don't think we have

1052
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:44.800
to do that. And then you'll have just the guy

1053
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.760
in the middle. He'll say, you know, this would probably

1054
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.199
work the community policing of some practical solutions, and out

1055
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.239
of all that you'll get something just right in the

1056
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.639
middle that sounds like what we all said in the beginning,

1057
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:00.239
from me or you, And the concentration of the far

1058
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.400
left in academia means we only get the liberal guys perspective,

1059
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:07.920
and it often sounds really crazy, like light and butterflies nonsense.

1060
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:08.440
And.

1061
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.840
We when we as normal people hear that, it often

1062
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.360
sounds stupid because it is stupid. So I guess my

1063
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.400
point here is like with the team takeovers, my immediate

1064
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.840
response is like this would stop if you broke up

1065
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:24.639
one of these with thirty big cops and threw all

1066
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.440
the kids in jail. And there's a hysterical reaction every

1067
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.199
time you say that. It looks like a couple of

1068
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.280
like the like Preacher Dad, Black Mayors, the guy in Baltimore,

1069
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.760
I think, did exactly that and the results were exactly

1070
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:38.239
what you think.

1071
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.760
That exactly right.

1072
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:43.280
But in cities where they haven't done that, yeah, you've

1073
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.320
got these mobs of mostly black kids, like seventy percent

1074
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.800
black kids, but teenagers will riot in general. It's like

1075
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.159
just running around like I don't like most of them

1076
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.079
won't even fight, but they'll just like run through the city,

1077
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.719
jumping on cars and doing backflips and all this other crap.

1078
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.239
And there was a brawl in the Navy Yards involving

1079
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.800
like two of them that met up because there's just

1080
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.119
no law in that part of the town in DC.

1081
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.559
And they had a fight in a Chipotle and none

1082
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.559
of them could fight. I remember watching this, but like

1083
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.320
there's a dad like protecting his kids and hiding behind

1084
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.960
a pole where all these people are like awkwardly swinging

1085
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.480
at each other and like throwing chairs and like hooting,

1086
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.880
which is a bad look for the black community, by

1087
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.559
the way. I mean it's like you know, but I mean,

1088
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.000
like this goes on, and I mean my my basic

1089
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.280
position is just again, like if this is a problem,

1090
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.840
implement a curfew or something, or have like five cops

1091
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:35.480
chased them down with billy clubs and throw a load

1092
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:36.920
of all but wagon and take them to jail and

1093
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:37.599
scare them.

1094
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.559
Right, but that's and have their parents come to court

1095
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.239
and be responsible as well. I think they need to

1096
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.079
bring that into the loop. So, you know, like you said,

1097
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.880
a return to common sense. What a novel idea. He's

1098
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.519
the professor of political science at Kentucky State University and

1099
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:53.760
the author of Taboo, Ten Facts you Can't Talk About

1100
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:55.719
and lie is my liberal teacher taught me the one

1101
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.119
and only doctor Wilfrid Raley. Thank you, will take care,

1102
00:55:58.239 --> 00:55:58.599
be well.

1103
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Bill Martinez live.

1124
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Hey right now, six minutes after the top of the hour.

1125
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.920
I'm Bill Martinez. He is Scott Powell, a Discovery Institute

1126
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.760
fellow and author. Mister Scott, how you doing great?

1127
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:21.320
Hey?

1128
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.440
Glad you could join us, you know, because you're writing

1129
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.039
about a sentiment that is, you know, the nature of

1130
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.719
Americans is that we're you know, I call this the

1131
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.800
microwave generation. We stand in front of a microwave in

1132
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.679
Yell Hurria. It just doesn't happen fast now. And of course,

1133
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.239
this war, which is you know, as Donald Trump is

1134
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.639
quick to remind us, is you know, a couple of

1135
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:48.480
months old, but you know, considering other wars that have

1136
00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:52.079
gone on for years and years, and people are uncomfortable.

1137
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.360
But you know, that's just the nature of who we

1138
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.320
are is that we see these things moving along and

1139
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.559
we're saying, hey, get it over already. Right.

1140
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.800
Well, this is a tough one because there's no no

1141
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.119
country that's structured quite like Iran in terms of their

1142
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:12.719
layers of government and their long term planning. And they're

1143
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:16.559
masters of deception. You know, they hide their assets, They

1144
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.079
hide their military asset. We thought we got most of them.

1145
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.960
Turns out they have these additional you know, very powerful

1146
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.960
destructive assets that are hidden that they bring out after

1147
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:33.440
we think we've sort of you know, taken out their army, navy,

1148
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:37.480
air force, everything. Missiles. Turns out, no, not quite. There's

1149
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.679
they've got a lot of drones and They've got missiles

1150
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:43.280
and got these fast boats, you know, fleets of these,

1151
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:48.000
you know, these small, open, open, open boats that you know,

1152
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:51.400
are thirty feet long and can fly along at fifty

1153
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:52.039
miles an hour.

1154
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.639
Right, Well, you know, and I think that the situation.

1155
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.400
First of all, you got to know who you're negotiating with.

1156
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.199
And this has been part of the challenge I think

1157
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.519
with Trump's team is not knowing well, who are we

1158
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.719
negotiating with now? And the challenge in anything is that

1159
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:12.360
you have to put enough pressure upon them to bring

1160
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.599
them out. But you know, you know, to me, I

1161
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.159
think this is you know, we're back to the days

1162
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.039
of the Barbary pirates. You know, Thomas Jefferson when he

1163
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:27.119
realized the ideology of the Muslim guard there said send

1164
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.519
in the Marines. That was the response after reading about

1165
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.199
them and realizing that this was an untenable group. They're deaf,

1166
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.440
cult and even more so these days. And the only

1167
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:42.039
way you can go ahead and have victory is you've

1168
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.960
got to utterly defeat them. And I think that what

1169
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.639
we've come down to is, you know, I'll give Trump

1170
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:53.800
credit for processing this and not being one ready to

1171
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.559
go and annihilate. I mean, you can Monday morning quarterback

1172
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:01.159
that he's the commander in chief. But I think that he's,

1173
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:03.599
like you said the other day, he was an hour

1174
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.280
away from making a decision to decide to back off

1175
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.599
because of you know, some you know Arab allies there

1176
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.360
in the Middle East. But I think that it's coming

1177
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.400
down to the wire here with Israel in the United States.

1178
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.280
And yes, these assets that may be hidden, they've got

1179
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.840
to come out to be utilized. And when they come out,

1180
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.639
you know, it's not like we don't have surveillance. It's

1181
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:27.679
not like we're not going to have any kind of

1182
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.119
you know, quick response ourselves. Because even at fifty miles

1183
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.760
an hour that a speedboat can go to last time,

1184
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.559
I think you know, a jet can go faster than that.

1185
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.000
Yeah, we have, we just have an array of military equipment.

1186
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.480
It's just very well equipped to deal with every one

1187
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.199
of these threats exactly. I mean the a ten warthog

1188
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:53.440
can take out ten fast boats in about twenty seconds. Literally, Yes,

1189
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.760
because of their you know, their their unique you know

1190
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.440
guns that you know, like gatling guns. But they're just

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it's amazing what they can.

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Yeah, well we've got we've got the firepower and it's like,

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I mean, at some point, uh, you know, people are

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going to get uncomfortable. I mean, the straight of horror

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moves continues. I mean amazingly, Uh they've been able to

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you know, control that in shutting it down. Okay, And

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so that's that's kind of a lose lose proposition for

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as long as uh, you know, Iran can handle it.

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But then also as you write about, uh, you know,

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because people have been curious about this is going wait

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a minute, why is Iran targeting their neighbors, particularly the UAE.

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Right, that's right, I mean they've alienated all their neighbors.

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So I mean it's really over for Iran. I don't

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think that that everything, anything's going to go back to

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the way it was previously. And really the best solution

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for Iran is for a regime change. There's no doubt

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about that. I don't think anyone disagrees, including the Sunny Arabs.

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They they don't. They don't want this regime to continue

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because it's it's disrupted their lives and threatened them for decades.

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Exactly. Yeah. Well and here they are, you know, and

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they continue. I mean, you know here for America, it's

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been forty seven years. But for them ever since they

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moved into the neighborhood, you know, and and it's it's

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it's Iran, it's their allies. You know. You've got even

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Lebanon is trying to get you know, Hesbla out of Lebanon.

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You've got still Hamas occupying about forty five percent of Gaza.

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Oh yeah, that's got to be cleaned up. They can't

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you know, be in there. And and then whenever you

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try to ship them out somewhere, you know, Egypt goes, no, no, no,

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we don't want those Arabs here, you know, find another

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place for them, you know, and you know, thank god

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Joe Biden is around. Otherwise Joe Biden did have them

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in this country.

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Unfortunately, I think there you may be right on that,

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but anyway, it is a you know, we're living in

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biblical times. There's nob about that. And you know, I'm

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an optimist that things will work out. But we do

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have a democratic process here, and we have the mid

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term elections coming up, and I think that the longer

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the war goes on, the more, you know, the more

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those might not turn out as well as we'd like.

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I think the Democrats have very little to offer the

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American people. But but the fact is that, you know,

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people need to get out and vote for Republicans, they

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need to vote for for Trump.

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Uh. Well, and we've got to secure the vote still

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with the say that the fact that it's still pending

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there and look at look at what happened in some

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of these primaries. Interestingly enough, Uh, these uh, you know

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Rhino Republicans who thought they could defy Trump. Uh, they're

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they're out. You know, Cassidy is out. Uh, you know. Uh.

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And then with what's happening in Texas with Donald Trump

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endorsing now Ken Paxton, you know, and so you know,

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we'll see some more up people there. But I think

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that you know, Republicans in particular are realizing, you know,

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that Donald Trump needs reinforcements. He can't do this by himself.

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But we've got to have like minded American first, you know,

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politicians in our camp, in his camp, doing the will

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of the people. Because you know, some of these Republicans,

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these you know, Republicans in name only, these rhinos god as,

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you know, for whatever reason, you know, just to be

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adversarial or what you wonder, Okay, what why why are

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they defined? Common sense? Here? Because Donald Trump's probably been

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the most common sensical president we've had in the modern era.

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I would agree, And I think the one of the

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answers to that question is that the corruption and the

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compromise runs very deep. Uh, not just in the Democrat

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Party where they're compromised by the Chinese, but really the

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Republican Party too.

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We have.

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People that have been in Congress for a long time.

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I mean, it's a process that sort of just corrupts.

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It just corrupts people. And so I feel that that

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is one of the reasons we don't get the Save

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Act really moving ahead, is that is that the Rhino

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Republicans are afraid that it might mean their scalps. They

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might be voted out of office if they don't have

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a you know, the certainty that their election is rigged.

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For them, right exactly. Now, that's the one thing about

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things when they are impure, they're impure both ways, right,

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It never just flows to one side and not the other.

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And you bring see, I think that that's one of

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the most underreported aspects of what's going on and what

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the Save Act is exposing. We've got to go to

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell. Scott and

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of course a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, in

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his timeless book Rediscovering America. You know, and Scott, your

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book again is just such a wonderful tribute and you know,

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and I believe, a historical commentary for people to again

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be encouraged. I mean, we've got Memorial this is Memorial

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Weekend coming up. All that Memorial Day represents in our country.

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You know, those that paid the ultimate price, over a

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million million Americans, Scott, have shed their blood and paid

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the ultimate price for the sake of freedom. And you know,

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for them, you know, many of us entered military service,

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we proudly served, and people today, young men and women,

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are doing the same in order to secure our freedom.

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Because as Ronald Reagan made it quite clear, and experiences

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demonstrated to us that our freedoms are but one generation

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away from going extinct. And if we didn't need any

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reminder of that, you know, we're seeing it today at university,

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you know, campuses with the Protestations, and you know, the

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rhetoric that's coming out of the mouths of these young

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people that supposedly have been highly educated, but what we're

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seeing is they're probably more highly indoctrinated than educated, you know,

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are true. So anyway, Scott, in terms of Memorial Day,

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you know your sentiments you know with this, you know,

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to me, it's such a holy day, you know, for

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our country.

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Oh absolutely, I mean we've had a lot of holy

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days recently. This last Sunday was a very amazing day

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rededicating America to God. I mean that is wow. That's incredible,

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that going right back to the founding of the country

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and what a wonderful thing to do. And I think

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we need to capitalize on that as Americans. We need

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to be more prayerful, and you know, we need God's

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protection and God's guidance and all that we do. We

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need God's blessing on our country and his protection on

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our country. I mean, it's quite remarkable that our navy

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has such a huge presence in the Persian Gulf, three

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carrier groups, all the attended destroyers and frigates and ships

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that accompany each aircraft carrier, and we haven't lost a ship.

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It's it's incredible.

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Yeah. But yet Iran, through their propaganda machines, are saying that,

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you know, they've attacked our ships, they've you know, have

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gotten F thirty five, they knocked down in F thirty five.

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I mean, you know, of course it's the furthest from

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the truth. But they can say anything because right now

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there's you know, almost nothing in terms of Internet information

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that's coming into the country because it's all been squelched

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by the regime.

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Right, yes, yeah, yeah, so there's a lot of misinformation.

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But what I said is just really simple. It's kind

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of simple, is that we have this huge naval presence

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and yet we really haven't lost many men or military assets,

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and yet we've brought about the defeat of a very

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large nation ninety million plus people. Right, it's the size

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of Iran, and while we haven't quite got it over

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the finish line because of their convoluted, layered, uh you know,

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governmental system that's tied to their military and the IRGC,

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very hard to know who are negotiating.

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01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:21.760
With that, right, Well, that that's the thing. See, I

1425
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:23.119
think this is why.

1426
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:27.159
A different things. In other words, they're not even unified, no,

1427
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:30.199
the government all unified. So it's very hard to bring

1428
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.600
closure to this. It's very complicated, but I would just

1429
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:38.640
fall back on God's hand of protection must be on

1430
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.119
us in the Persian Gulf, because you know, we have

1431
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:47.760
withstood countless attacks and really haven't lost much in the

1432
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.560
way of our assets. It's just remarkable actually, right.

1433
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:53.439
But to your earlier point, as we were saying in

1434
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:56.760
the first segment, Scott, is that you know, you can

1435
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:01.640
only wait so long. You know, if if anything, we're seeing, uh,

1436
01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:07.039
the Iranians demonstrate to us the art of you know,

1437
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:11.720
defirm deferment right, and and so they've been running the

1438
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:16.399
clock here with you know, their different uh uh strategies

1439
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.439
and uh, you know, so that's clear they're really not

1440
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:23.960
sincere in doing this because really for them, it's a

1441
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:27.640
life and death issue. And you know, how how do

1442
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.720
you negotiate your way out because you know, for them

1443
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:35.840
it's till death do us part. And you know, Trump,

1444
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:39.039
you can't deal with people. That's why I said earlier.

1445
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.920
You know, we need to uh channel the mindset of

1446
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:46.119
Thomas Jefferson when he ran into the problems, you know,

1447
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.439
down in Tripoli and realized he said, okay, let me

1448
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:52.039
let me read up, you know, bring me some information

1449
01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:54.640
on this people group. You know, what are they all about?

1450
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.840
He realized they're deaf cult he's sending the Marines. Yeah,

1451
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.439
you know, so, so to me, this is this is

1452
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:05.319
where we're at. But the other thing I'm curious about,

1453
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:07.239
and I know a lot of our listeners as well.

1454
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.720
You know, people are scratching their head and going, why

1455
01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:12.439
is Iran you know, we mentioned this briefly, but but

1456
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:17.560
particularly why is Iran targeting the United Arab Emirates. I mean,

1457
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.800
actually they have been bombed more than Israel. And I

1458
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.199
don't think people understood this.

1459
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:27.560
I know, it's really quite remarkable. And and there's a

1460
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:34.880
rather famous geopolitical economist, Martin Armstrong, who is very savvy

1461
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:39.000
about international things, and it's his theory that they are

1462
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:42.319
they are targeting the United Arab Emirates because it's the

1463
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:47.159
financial capital of the Middle East now and this the

1464
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.600
hope is that they can bring about a you know,

1465
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:52.640
a financial crisis, a collapse if you will.

1466
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.319
Kind Yeah, because if that domino falls, then how many

1467
01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.000
other dominoes fall right after that?

1468
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:02.720
Yeah? That little that's the pattern of the past. You know,

1469
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:08.560
when the tie bought collapsed in nineteen ninety seven, losing

1470
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.399
twenty five percent of its value, you know, within weeks

1471
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:18.840
neighboring countries, their currencies all collapsed, right, Domino effect, And

1472
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:24.199
I think that's their view, right, So that's why you're right, Bill,

1473
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:27.640
We need we need to bring about closure to this

1474
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.000
as quickly as possible. The longer this goes out, the

1475
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:36.399
more we're inviting a financial collapse. You know, you know,

1476
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:40.039
a military strategy, you know, a military attack on our

1477
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:44.079
assets that gets through. You just don't know. Be sure,

1478
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:49.840
the Chinese are trying to infiltrate into Iran their very

1479
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:53.680
best weapons systems, right because they would like to see

1480
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:54.520
America defeated.

1481
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:57.239
Yeah, no question, but look at look at how poorly

1482
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:02.000
they've performed. Even russia'ssets assets that they gave to a

1483
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:05.000
RAN did not perform very well. So I got to imagine,

1484
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:08.239
you know, the R and D departments of China and

1485
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:12.680
Russia are going, whoa, you know what, you know, we're

1486
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.560
in trouble here. We're really behind the ball. I mean,

1487
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.199
you know, the media, our media always talks about, you know,

1488
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:22.000
the excellence of China and how advanced they are and

1489
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:26.560
everything like that, But here our own military is proving

1490
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.720
maybe maybe our mainstream media needs to do a little

1491
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.239
bit more research, right.

1492
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:35.479
Oh, I would say so. Yeah, it's really been quite impressive.

1493
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.079
But only under Donald Trump was this possible. I mean,

1494
01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:42.359
if we were in this war under a Biden or

1495
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:46.760
Kamala Harris, oh lord, yeah, the outcome would be so different.

1496
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:51.439
Yeah, it would be like us departing Afghanistan all over again. Right, Yes,

1497
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:55.920
about a bigger tragedy as that is. But yeah, I

1498
01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:59.159
agree with you Scott that the president needs to move

1499
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.680
move quickly and and.

1500
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:03.760
Think he knows that. I think, you know, but he

1501
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.760
is showing. I mean, look, he is a man of grace,

1502
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.680
He's a man of you know. I won't I think

1503
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.840
forgiveness is the wrong word. But if there can be

1504
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.000
a better way of bringing closure to this war than

1505
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.199
more bombing, Trump would choose that path.

1506
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.840
Well, he thinks about humanity, Scott, on both sides. He doesn't,

1507
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:26.800
you know, because you know, you know I was talking

1508
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:28.960
to another military expert yesterday about this.

1509
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:29.720
Is that.

1510
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.279
Yeah, you can talk about war, but you you know,

1511
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:37.039
Donald Trump seems to have a realistic, you know, connection

1512
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:42.039
and understanding that war will you know is never a

1513
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.439
unilateral experience. I mean you're going to have casualties on

1514
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:50.039
both sides, right, and you're going to hope to do

1515
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.520
everything you can to minimize that which is on your side.

1516
01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:58.279
But here we are, we're at this point where you

1517
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.079
got to know, Like you said, you got to know

1518
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:02.439
the opposition and know what you're dealing with. And I

1519
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:05.960
think the opposition has definitely demonstrated who they are. Go ahead,

1520
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:07.159
I'll let you wrap it up, Scot.

1521
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:09.279
I think, you know, I think we need to always

1522
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:12.119
we need to have a vision, and we want to

1523
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.880
have a vision of victory, of a vision of optimism.

1524
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.680
So let's look at what's going on in Iran. Iran

1525
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.439
is now the fastest growing Christian nation in the world.

1526
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.560
You know, it's been a Muslim nation, But it turns

1527
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.720
out the Muslims are easily converted to Christianity because they

1528
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:35.279
have the same heritage, the same roots, the same Abraham

1529
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:40.119
is their father, if you will, So they tend to

1530
01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:44.119
be more open and easier for them to understand the

1531
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:49.680
message of Jesus Christ the Savior because they are predisplayed.

1532
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.920
They don't have a savior in the Muslim faith.

1533
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:55.479
Yeah, well they've been, they've been. They've been worshiping the illegitimate,

1534
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.680
that's right. And so when you bring the legitimate in

1535
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.479
contrast to it. You know, you've got a decision to make,

1536
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:07.439
and there's you know, you hear a story upon story Scott.

1537
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:11.439
These people converting as a result of dreams. They are

1538
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.960
dreaming dreams, you know, which is what the Bible said

1539
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.960
that there will be that period of time, right.

1540
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.399
Yeah, yeah, So it's an exciting time. And let's think

1541
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.119
if you know, if the growth rate of Christianity is

1542
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:27.960
some twenty percent a year, it basically would mean that

1543
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:34.720
by the early forties, Iran would be a majority Christian nation.

1544
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:38.359
How would that affect that entire region of the world.

1545
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:40.319
I don't think it would bring on more war. I

1546
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.840
think it would bring on more moderation.

1547
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:47.600
Frankly, right exactly, And no doubt the ninety million Iranians

1548
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:50.000
are ready for that, and they've said as much, so

1549
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:52.520
much so that they're willing to go out in the

1550
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:56.119
street and be mowed down by the IRGC and record numbers.

1551
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.720
And even as you and I are talking, they continue

1552
01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:04.119
to execute people there, so you know, and they're you know,

1553
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:08.439
the people, the Iranians themselves are praying that God will

1554
01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:12.239
send them an answer, a solution to where their loved

1555
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.520
ones will not have to be murdered in the streets

1556
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.039
that around any longer, and we pray with them that

1557
01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:22.560
that would be so, and we would say, come Jesus,

1558
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:26.319
come quickly for them, right Scott Powell, he's a senior

1559
01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.119
fellow the Discovery Institute. Don't forget his book Rediscovering America

1560
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:34.279
is still available, so check it out. He's, as I say,

1561
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:37.359
a member also the Committee on the Present Danger China.

1562
01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:39.239
Scott Powell, thank you for being with his Take care,

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Thank you, Bill.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Well, welcome back Bill Martinez here.

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Good to have you with us sharing a part of

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Talk Roots sixty six. We've got the historian and president

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of Ooklahoma's Route sixty six Association, Reese Martin, joining us

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to talk about the magic surrounding the one hundredth versory

1641
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.399
of America's Highway Route sixty six.

1642
01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:04.279
Reach.

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01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:05.920
Welcome, Michelle. Good to have you with us.

1644
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.199
Thank you, happy to be here, coming to you from Tulsa,

1645
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:10.960
the capital of Route sixty six.

1646
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:13.319
Well good, Well, I'm in Arizona. I've been doing a

1647
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:15.680
little bit of traveling myself for the last couple of weeks.

1648
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.600
Not exactly the same route, but I'm bound to determine

1649
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.960
I've hit portions of Route sixty six, and with it

1650
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.239
are so many memories. I mean, you're talking, you know,

1651
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:28.000
the mother road of what just about twenty three hundred miles, right.

1652
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.279
Yeah, it depends on what year you're looking at, but

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four hundred and forty eight is the number most of

1654
01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:33.039
us use.

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01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:36.399
I'm sorry, say that again. Two thousand, four hundred.

1656
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Two thousand, four hundred and forty eight forty eight.

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01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:42.600
Okay, I'll update my information accordingly, all right, But it

1658
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:44.399
still goes through eight states, right.

1659
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.720
That's right, starts in Chicago and goes all the way

1660
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:47.640
up to Santa Monica.

1661
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:51.000
Well, reach a little bit of your background. How did

1662
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:52.279
you become the historian?

1663
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:53.680
Well?

1664
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:56.039
So, born and raised here in Tulsa, which has a

1665
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:58.760
huge part to play in Route sixty six. As story

1666
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:01.640
but you know, like many people, I didn't really I

1667
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:03.560
wasn't a tourist in my backyard. So it took me

1668
01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.359
leaving and coming back to realize, oh wait a minute,

1669
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:08.399
Route sixty six is kind of a big deal. So

1670
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.960
I went out and started driving it about a little

1671
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:12.880
more than ten years ago, fell in love with the

1672
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.880
highway and its people. Then I raised my hand and said, well,

1673
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.199
how can I help with all this preservation work that

1674
01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:19.880
you guys are doing, And got pushed into the deep

1675
01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:20.479
end of the pool.

1676
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:24.399
Well, and as you say, Route sixty six has developed

1677
01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:27.960
a culture of its own, you know the people I

1678
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:32.399
mean this is this is a cherished legacy, isn't it.

1679
01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:34.880
It really is. You know, it turns one hundred this year,

1680
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.600
and it's been building on this legend really ever since

1681
01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:41.239
the day it was created. Everything from you know, the

1682
01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:44.479
dust bowl and the Great Depression to you know, post

1683
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:47.239
war work, to you know, coming back from the ashes

1684
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.119
of being literally taken off the map, and so many

1685
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:52.520
people over the years have said, you know, Route sixty

1686
01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.600
six is important, And now you have folks from all

1687
01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:57.439
over the world that plan entire trips about coming here

1688
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:58.960
and driving it exactly.

1689
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:02.439
You know, some people they confuse Route sixty six because

1690
01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:05.720
it was established in twenty six, nineteen twenty six, and

1691
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:09.319
they may confuse it with the expansion. Well, you know,

1692
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:13.800
the the highway system which Eisenhower you know, brought into

1693
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.880
being after World War Two, right, But Route sixty six

1694
01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:18.479
was alive and well prior to that.

1695
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:22.039
Yeah, you know, it was part of this national highway

1696
01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:25.680
network that was created in nineteen twenty six, but as mentioned,

1697
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.439
you know, quickly set itself apart. And yes, even though

1698
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.079
technically it was replaced by the Interstates over the sixties

1699
01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.640
and seventies, it's still there. You can still drive more

1700
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.600
than eighty percent of it with the right maps and

1701
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:39.119
tools and apps and things like that, and it's still

1702
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:41.279
main street in all of these towns that it goes.

1703
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:44.960
Through, right, And so let's talk about some of the

1704
01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:48.760
iconic cultural milestones that make up Route sixty six.

1705
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:52.640
Well, so, of course, those early days you have the

1706
01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:54.760
idea of like the grapes of Wrath, you know, the

1707
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:57.439
model ts heading to California from the Midwest seeking a

1708
01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:01.239
better life during the dust Bowl and the grat depression. You

1709
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:03.439
to have the World War two years, you know, because

1710
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:05.399
there was such a strong concerted effort to get it

1711
01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:07.960
paved as quickly as possible. It's another thing a lot

1712
01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.039
of people don't realize is it took twelve years to

1713
01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:12.319
pave Root sixty six. But it was in a good

1714
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.319
place once we entered the war to get our troops

1715
01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:16.960
out to the Mohave to train to go to Africa

1716
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.359
to get many materials where they needed to be for

1717
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:22.399
the war effort. And then after the war it was

1718
01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:24.800
you know the boom of the great American road trip

1719
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:27.319
and vacations. It would take you to Disneyland and the

1720
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.439
Grand Canyon and all this, and you know that just

1721
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.479
continued to build over the years. There was a TV

1722
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.920
show I already mentioned, you know, the dust Bowl, you

1723
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:37.359
had the Graves of Wrath, and then of course cars

1724
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:39.800
came around about twenty years ago and introduced it to

1725
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:42.520
a whole new generation. But it's really the evolution of

1726
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:43.279
the same story.

1727
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:47.359
Yeah, it's amazing how it's embraced our culture, as you say,

1728
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:51.239
whether it's in song or movies or TV shows. You know,

1729
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:54.720
get your kicks on Root sixty six Natkin Colds song

1730
01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:57.760
and of course you know very much a part of

1731
01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.319
a TV series, right.

1732
01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.000
That's right, and you know, it's more than just you know,

1733
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.560
cheeseburgers and big tail fin cadillacs and things. It's a

1734
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.000
vibrant and a diverse corridor that tells so many different stories.

1735
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:12.359
I understand you're a marine, correct.

1736
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:14.960
Yes, always a marine. Yes, you got it, Yes, you know.

1737
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:15.239
I mean.

1738
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.920
ROUT sixty six goes through the Marine Corps Logistics base

1739
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.920
in Barstow, California, and they have a great monument for

1740
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:22.960
it there. You know, there's just so many stories on

1741
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.119
the road that it's really whatever you can.

1742
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:29.640
Make it right exactly. So what I mean, how do

1743
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:31.279
you starving for people who are saying, you know, I've

1744
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.119
heard about it. This is great, the one hundred year,

1745
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:36.479
the timing of our two hundred and fiftieth birthday as

1746
01:31:36.520 --> 01:31:39.600
well as a nation. I mean this, you know, this

1747
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.159
kind of goes hand in glove, doesn't it.

1748
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.439
It really does. And the great thing about ROUT sixty

1749
01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.680
six is is it's this flexible corridor. You know, whether

1750
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:52.199
you're into amazing food or you know, roadside attractions or

1751
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:54.840
museums and history, you know, you can kind of piece

1752
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.000
together your own adventure, you know, and people say, hey,

1753
01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.960
I want to drive Root sixty six, what do I do.

1754
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:02.439
First thing I say is, don't feel like you got

1755
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:04.399
to bite off the whole thing at once, because really

1756
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:06.960
the best part about Route sixty six is meeting the

1757
01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:09.840
people that own these businesses, your fellow travelers and everything.

1758
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.479
And if you try to rush across it in five days,

1759
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.520
you're gonna miss out what makes it so special.

1760
01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.319
Yeah, I mean, you're probably I'm heating your warning and

1761
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:21.319
I'm hearing you a lot earlier because I'm type A type,

1762
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.199
you know, So it's like I want to I want

1763
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.279
to do it, and sometimes it's like to get a

1764
01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:29.680
quick overview and you know, and then go back and say, Okay,

1765
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:32.399
I especially like these areas, so you can approach it

1766
01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:35.680
in whichever way matches your personality, because you know, there's

1767
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:37.800
plenty to choose from on Root sixty six.

1768
01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:40.800
As you're saying, right, right, you know, I mean, there's

1769
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.279
there's nothing like that experience where the landscape changes from

1770
01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:46.520
the middle of the countries you go towards New Mexico

1771
01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:49.720
and Arizona, you know. But you know, every state has

1772
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:53.359
its own has its own identity, even even Kansas thirteen

1773
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:55.880
point two miles of Route sixty six, right in the

1774
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.159
corner of the state. They do a lot with their

1775
01:32:58.159 --> 01:32:58.760
little section.

1776
01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:01.880
Well, you know, you touched on some of the unique

1777
01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:07.960
aspects of Rue sixty six. Let's go down memory lane.

1778
01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.880
You mentioned the cheeseburgers. I mean, the original McDonald's was

1779
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:13.720
opened in San Bernardino right there on Ruthe sixty six

1780
01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:14.680
in nineteen forty.

1781
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:17.479
Right, that's right. You know, Steak and Shake open their

1782
01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:19.920
first restaurant on Route sixty six. Dairy Queen did the

1783
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:24.000
same thing. It's really this corridor that you know, convinced

1784
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:26.319
a lot of people that the American dream was possible.

1785
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.279
And you still have people that will come and buy

1786
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:29.319
an old motel.

1787
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:29.720
You know.

1788
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.399
I think of like the Aztec Motel in Seligman, Arizona,

1789
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:36.119
where a couple came over from Europe, bought this hotel,

1790
01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:38.479
restored it and now they get to greet people from

1791
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:40.800
all over the world and they're realizing their dream right

1792
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:42.640
on the Mother Road.

1793
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.319
You know. I mean Arizona today is we're talking rece

1794
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.039
And you know, in nineteen eighty four you had the

1795
01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.279
final section bypassed, which was the last section of the

1796
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:53.640
original road was bypassed in Arizona.

1797
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:57.079
Huh, Yeah, right in downtown Williams and that town is

1798
01:33:57.159 --> 01:33:59.800
really well preserved. You know, you can go to Williams

1799
01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:02.399
now there's Neon and it's a great way to Grand

1800
01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:05.000
Canyon and you just walk down the sidewalk and say

1801
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:06.359
hi to people, and you're going to hear all these

1802
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:09.239
different languages and accents. But it's great. It's a little

1803
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:10.319
time capsule of a town.

1804
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:16.560
Right well, there is you know, so much history that

1805
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:21.760
is you know, part of as you say, twenty four

1806
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.760
hundred and forty eight miles of the Mother Road going

1807
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:29.720
through eight states, and you know, hey, pick your state,

1808
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:32.399
pick your section that you want to go through, and

1809
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:37.800
you know, enjoy Americana up close and personal, as you say,

1810
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:41.520
with all the different personalities, because as you go through

1811
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:45.800
these states, in these different sections, it's quite the tapestry

1812
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:48.279
of culture, isn't it. It really is.

1813
01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.399
And you know, here in Tulsa, we're really fortunate that

1814
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:53.159
the city's invested in it. You have a lot of

1815
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:55.119
small businesses that have seen the value of being on

1816
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:58.359
Root sixty six, and the quirk and the Kinches is

1817
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:01.039
still alive and still developing. You know, a couple of

1818
01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:03.840
weeks ago, Tulsa unveiled a musical road where you can

1819
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:06.479
drive a section of Route sixty six and the rumble

1820
01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:08.520
strips on the pavement will play this land is your

1821
01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:13.199
land as at least, or it's yeah, it's really.

1822
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:16.199
Oh my gosh, Well I had not heard about that.

1823
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:17.159
That is awesome.

1824
01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:17.760
I love it.

1825
01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:18.359
Yeah.

1826
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:20.000
I mean when the road itself will talk to you,

1827
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:21.279
you know it's a trip worth taking.

1828
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:24.680
Well exactly and maybe even you know, a couple of

1829
01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:27.039
roadkills might sing a harmony for you too, just for

1830
01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:32.039
this saying, because sometimes that can happen on Route sixty six,

1831
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.239
like many other things. What do you think race? Overall,

1832
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:38.079
we got about a minute left. The biggest surprise people

1833
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.119
are going to experience here on Route sixty six.

1834
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:45.239
The biggest surprise, I think is that it's not just

1835
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:47.800
a road of history. You know, yes, it connects you

1836
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:50.880
to the last one hundred years of this country, but

1837
01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:53.960
it also connects you with possibility in the future. You know,

1838
01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:56.680
people coming from other countries, small business owners that are

1839
01:35:56.720 --> 01:36:00.239
realizing their dream and things are continuing to develop and

1840
01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:02.479
engage along the corridor. It's so much more than you

1841
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:04.039
expect when you hit the two lane.

1842
01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:08.680
I like that because It demonstrates that it's ever dynamic

1843
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.279
and it reflects the culture. And as you said, as

1844
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:16.000
the culture is evolving and we get these these new

1845
01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:18.760
cultures coming into the country, they get a chance to

1846
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:23.760
put their you know, their signature one sixty six as well, right.

1847
01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:26.880
Right, you know it's rich sixty six isn't a museum

1848
01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.800
exhibit behind a velvet rope. It is constantly evolving and

1849
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.199
showing people what's possible.

1850
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:34.520
I love that, Yes, Martin, he is the Root sixty

1851
01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:37.920
six historian president of the Oklahoma Route sixty six Association.

1852
01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:40.880
Where can they go for more information and get started

1853
01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:43.520
on the mother road of roads?

1854
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:47.000
Well, folks can learn more about Oklahoma at Oklahoma Root

1855
01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:49.199
six six dot com with maps and guides and all

1856
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:51.239
kinds of information. If people want to hit the road

1857
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:53.520
for the centennial, you can go to Root six six

1858
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:56.319
Centennial dot org. There's an event calendar you can plan

1859
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:56.840
your trip.

1860
01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:59.000
Reece, we got to catch you out there. I'm looking

1861
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:00.960
forward to it, my friend. Take care, be well.

1862
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:01.920
Thank you you too.

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So after the Beatles, what's the next one? You want

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to talk about?

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Legends and curses? And let's see the section begins. I

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believe with the Rolling Stones and the nefarious free concert

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at Altamont the speedway in California in December of nineteen

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sixty nine. And on the surface, it just seems like,

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you know, a concert that was not properly planned that

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and it went sideways with tragic results. Of course, we

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have the death of the young African American Meredith Hunter,

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who was repeatedly stabbed by the security detail at the time,

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the Hell's Angels, and then there were several other people

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who died I think from a drug overdose, and there

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were people that were killed hit and run accidents and

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so forth. It was just a disaster. So what does

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that have to do with legends and curses. Well, I'm

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I happened to be an Orthodox Christian. I believe in

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an unseen world. I believe in spiritual warfare, and I

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think that the set the stage was set at Altamont

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for some pretty nefarious, sinister perhaps even demonic activity. It's

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a possibility, it's a possibility. And the choice of the location.

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This was a basically kind of a bowl. The banks

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were too steep. It was set set up initially as

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a racetrack like a demolition derby racetrack maybe six thousand

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people would fit in there, but there were hundreds of thousands,

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and they just kind of were because of gravity and

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the downward slope, they were just kind of pushed towards

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the stage. The stage wasn't constructed properly. Then they invited

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the Hell's Angels to do security, and they paid them

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with beer, basically, I don't know, hundreds of cases of beer.

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There's a great cocktail, right. You've got these thugs with

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chains and pool cues, all liquored up and knives, and

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they were supposed to protect not only the Rolling Stones,

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but they were very protective of their excuse me, their

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their motorcycles which surrounded the stage. And then you had

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this the crowd pressing in. Not any not their fault,

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they just you know, and it ended, you know, horribly obviously,

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and unfortunately when you when you try and figure out

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who's to blame, ultimately a lot of the guilt has

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to rest with Mick Jagger. And I don't mean to

1985
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be unkind I love the Rolling Stones. I try to separate,

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you know, their their bad bad boy persona from my

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own Christian faith and so forth. Uh, you know, I

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like to say I sold my soul to rock and roll,

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but Jesus took it back. But he made a lot

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of bad decisions and they were very in the in

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the aftermath of that tragedy, the Stone seemed very cavalier

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about what happened to Meredith Hunter and the others. I

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don't know what in what is in mixed heart uh

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these days, I'm I pray that he has tremendous remorse

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for what happened. But if you read the chapter, you

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see there's a lot of sort of I would say

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spiritual warfare underneath it, just percolating up from from beneath.

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And that's always kind of been you know, our parents

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and grandparents when rock and roll was coming into being.

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That was their concern that this could open the gateway

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to you know, demonic activity, and you know, the music

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and everything was so revolutionary and everything, and you could

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kind of look at this and say, look what it

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did to the culture. I think some good things and

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certainly some pretty radical kind of stuff. I mean, because

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you and I grew up in a period a time.

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Also a big part of it was, you know what happened,

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which I think was quite interesting and coincidental, is you

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had the Jesus movement going on one hand, you had

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to hate Ashbury and all, you know, psychedelic drugs and

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everything else going on as a parallel in our culture.

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Yeah, I mean, I think some of that sort of

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flirtation with the dark Side was marketing. So for example,

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you know Black Sabbath and Ausy Osbourne. As Ozzie would

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say repeatedly, you know, I'm not a Satanist, I'm not

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a Nazi. I don't believe in any of that stuff.

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But he did.

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He was interested in what he called the you know,

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the dark side, the darker things, right. But others like

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Robert Plant or sorry, Jimmy Page, for example, were totally

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into the occult. He owned an occult bookstore. He was

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a devote of Alistair Crowley. He bought Crowley's house on

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the shores of loch Ness, Bullskin House, And before Crowley

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left he was working on some magic rituals. And I'm

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saying not stage magic, I'm talking about the occult. I'm

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talking about the dark side where he supposedly opened a portal.

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He was trying to bring forth this entity, but he

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failed to bind this dark spirit and he got called

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off to Paris and left the portal open. Along comes

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Jimmy Page buys the house. Strange things start happening in

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the house. One night, he supposedly makes this pact with

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his other band members to make led Zeppelin, you know,

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the greatest rock and roll band of all time. And

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Robert Plant and John Paul Jones and John Bonham, I

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don't think they were totally into it, but they thought, okay,

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Jimmy wants us to do this. They went along with it,

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and they assigned themselves these sort of occult sigils that

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appeared on instead of their names. The sigels appeared on

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led Zeppelin three. And then, of course, of course, all

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of these bad circumstances starts surrounding the band. Robert Plant

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has a near fatal accident in Greece while on vacation.

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His young child then dies sadly while they were on tour,

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Jimmy Page fell into sort of hopeless heroin addiction for

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quite a time. John Bonham of course died, which ultimately

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broke up the band. So there again, I mean, you

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can say, well, maybe there's some psychology happening, and they

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believed it, and so it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

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That might be true. Again, I come back to my views,

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my worldview, which is informed by the Bible, and I

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think there is an unseen world. And I think when

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you open certain doors or you knock on certain doors,

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someone or something enters or answers. And I think that's

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what happened to Led Zeppelin and probably many other bands.

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Jennie Joplin.

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I don't cover Genesis Death in the book, but I'm

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thinking there's probably at least one more volume here, more

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01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:05.439
tales from the Rock and Twilight Zone. Yeah, and actually

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I don't think I even produced an episode for the

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podcast on Janis. But there again, you know, a member

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of the twenty seven Club along with you know, Robert

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Johnson back in the thirties, and I cover this in

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the Curses section where he supposedly sold his soul to

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the devil old Scratch as they call the devil down

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in the Delta, so that he could play, you know,

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beautiful blues guitar. He died at twenty seven. No one

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paid much attention to the age of twenty seven until

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we had Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, and Jimmy Hendrix all

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dying at the age of twenty seven, then we became

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familiar with the twenty seven club. Then it was forgotten.

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And then Kurt Cobain died at twenty seven in nineteen

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ninety four, and then Emmy Winehouse she died at twenty seven,

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and that then people started really paying attention to the

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twenty seven clubs. So, you know, what is it about

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that age of twenty seven with you know, the claimed

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Janis And it seems to me, again not counting spiritual warfare,

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but when you're at that age in rock, you've sort

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of reached the pinnacle of your your creative abilities. Now

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01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:15.079
you have tremendous pressure coming down on you to perform,

2079
01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:21.199
to produce more more records. With that pressure come sometimes

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people succumb to to drugs and alcohol, which is what happened,

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01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:31.119
unfortunately to to Janis and many others. And it seems

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01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:33.079
to happen in and around that, you know, that late

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01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:38.680
twenties period. So and you know, it's a deadly cocktail.

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Without a doubt. I mean, to have that kind of

2085
01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.960
fame and that kind of money, and I mean, you know,

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01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.880
we've seen what happened to you know, whether you're talking

2087
01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:50.640
about Elvis and Michael Jackson of course his new movie

2088
01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:54.000
is out right now, that's you know, getting a lot

2089
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of attention as well. We've got only two minutes left.

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You're Richard. I could be with you all afternoon. This

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is ter rip I love. I love what you're sharing

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with us. And also the fact that you and I

2093
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share a biblical worldview and were driven by the truth

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of God. So this is very cool. So I appreciate

2095
01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:15.640
you to wrap things up. Maybe just a couple of

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01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:18.960
quick highlights here, Yeah, you think will draw them, not

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only I mean to your book, I mean because they

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need to get their hands. I mean, this is terrific.

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I can't wait to get my copy.

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Looking forward to you getting a copy, and would love

2101
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your feedback. Well, people ask me, you know, you know,

2102
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was there anything that shocked me or surprised me? And

2103
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I think that the death of Brian Jones in nineteen

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sixty nine, drowned in his swimming pool. He had just

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purchased this property by AA that was owned by A. A.

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Milne who wrote you know, Winnie the Pooh and created

2107
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:48.800
all those wonderful characters, Christopher Robbins and so forth. He

2108
01:50:49.239 --> 01:50:52.720
fled London, where he was basically you know, being hounded

2109
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by the police and being hounded by the media and

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thought he could find this retreat in Sussex Rural Astral Sussex.

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Dies at the bottom of a swimming pool. It was

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ruled misadventure death misadventure. But when you look at the

2113
01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:09.840
people who were there that night, including the Rolling Stones

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fixer Thomas Keylock, who had been fired by Keith Richards

2115
01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.159
because Keylock was a bit of a scammer and a liar,

2116
01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:21.960
he latched onto Brian Jones and he was there that night,

2117
01:51:22.520 --> 01:51:26.239
and there were also some construction people that were working

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on the house that were constantly battling with Brian Jones.

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They thought they could take advantage of this young man.

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He was twenty seven. He was a bit of a

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01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:40.479
drunk and very fragile, and so they were trying to

2122
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:43.640
take his money. Thomas Keylock was trying to take his money.

2123
01:51:43.760 --> 01:51:47.520
Whether there was some sort of a fight that resulted

2124
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:51.359
in Brian Jones' death, but Thomas Keylock's brother, Frank Keelock,

2125
01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:55.439
was a superintendent with Scotland Yard and there is evidence

2126
01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.560
that there was a cover up. There's also evidence that

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there was a an undercover's Scotland Yard officer at the

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party that night. The other thing that's very interesting is

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that the autopsy was not performed by the local medical examiner.

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It was performed by the medical examiner who was appointed

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by the Prime Minister of England, Harold Wilson at the time.

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So this cover up all over this.

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Yeah, without a doubt, we got to leave it. Therey's

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podcast Talk RAYO veteran Richard Saratt, a host of the

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Strange Planet podcast and frequent voice behind Coast to Coast

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AM and of course his new book Tails from the

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Rock and Rolled Twilight Zone. Richard, thank you for being

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with U.

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Take care, be blessed by Thank you, Thank you, Bill,

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God bless them.

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