Wounded Tiger Honors the 82 Anniversary of Pearl Harbor Remember the Past. Live for the Future

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Well, welcome Bill Martinez here.
Good to have you with us sharing

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a part of your day. For
more info on the show, you can

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check it out Bill Martinez Show dot
com. Te Martin Bennett going to be

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joining us in just a moment to
talk about his brand new book, Wounded

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Tiger. It's the compelling true story
that takes you through the unbelievable challenges that

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forever change the lives of Mitsu Fuchida, Jake Deschaser, and Peggy Covel.

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The author received the Presidential Award of
Entrepreneur of the Year from the Small Business

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Administration. He became the vice president
of a successful nonprofit trained inmates in federal

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prison and lived in poverty on a
friend's couch to research this book. So

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there is a lot behind this book
besides the main characters. Martin, welcome

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to show. Good have you with
us. It's great to be here.

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I really appreciate the opportunity and looking
forward to a great conversation. Okay,

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my producer asked you up front.
She stole one of my questions before we

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went on the air. But it's
worth mentioning. People will see on the

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cover of the book team Martin Bennett. But of course I refer to you

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as Martin, so there's a little
bit of story behind the tea, right.

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Yeah. My first name is Tracy, and as a boy, I

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ended up getting teased having a girl's
name. I would end up girls peace

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classes. I remember playing baseball and
they were yelling, Tracy is a girl's

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name. Tracy can't hit the ball, and I would I was not a

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good baseball player. So when we
moved from that house I was going into

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ninth grade, I said, I
just want to use my middle name,

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so I started using Martin. Nobody
can use Martin with a girl's name.

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Listen, Marty, then it can
be a problem. So I don't use

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Marty when I wrote the book.
There's a lot of Martin Bennet's out there.

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I put the tea back in there
and and so now it separates me

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from the rest. And my mom
and dad were very apologetic, saying,

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oh really sorry. You know,
we knew some men named Tracy thought it

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was a cool name. I said, it's all right, it works for

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good. Now if you look up
T. Martin Bennett, it's like two

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three pages of Google results is me
and the book and the and the film

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project. So exactly worked out for
good. Yeah, your dad said,

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hey, man, I could have
named you Sue. You know, boy

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do not use when they have his
son. I said, well you got

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a name him Tracy. It's a
great guy's name. Yeah, right,

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yeah, exactly. Well again,
you know, I mean here it is

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your story. Worry of uh just
how brutal. Uh, you know,

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the school experience can be. I
think I learned at an early age,

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and then it was reminded as I
grew older, especially in broadcasting. Is

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you wanted to do as little as
possible to offend people? Right, Well,

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yeah you can, I understand it, but you've got to be yourself

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and sometimes it's just defensive. You
I just got to go with it.

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Oh exactly. Well, I'm glad
you survived and he made it here and

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so now T Martin Bennett in the
author's category stands out and you've been well

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recognized. You know, I think
it's an interesting story also that you know,

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eight years of research of this book, you're sleeping on a couch.

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You know probably what top Ramen became
your food of choice. Well, I

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try not. I try to eat
healthy and stay healthy, but yeah,

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you end up buying ramen for you
know, pennies a pack, and you

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just got to do what's got to
do. But I knew the Lord was

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in this story. It's an unbelievable
true story. It's an unknown story,

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and it's a very encouraging, positive
and inspiring story. That is a wounded

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tiger. How'd you come to be
in contact with his story? From an

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early age, I've always loved true
stories. I remember I had a fifth

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grade teacher saying, hey, you
got to read books in my class,

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and all the girls cheered and all
the guys groaned, and I was one

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of the guys who groaned, like
I don't want to read any books,

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right, So they if they didn't
know the difference of your sex by that

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point, they did because you groaned
with all the boys. Right. That

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was fifth grade, you know,
you know, I guess Tracy was okay

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back then, but when I got
to seventh and eighth grade, it wasn't

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so good anyway. So I went
down to the library. I didn't want

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to read Pride and Prejudice, all
these you know, classics, And then

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I see this shelf of biography.
So I remember to this day seeing that

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role of biographies. Henry Ford,
lou Gerrick and Eastman Quack Film Company,

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and Thomas Edison, Abraham Lincoln.
I read every book on that shelf.

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I've been in love with true stories
ever since then. So whether it's a

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movie or book, or whether it
has a Christian element or not a Christian

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element, as long as as a
true story, I'm interested. So fast

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forward, I came across the story
of John Newton, who wrote the song

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Amazing Grace. A friend was reading
the book, read me some out of

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it. I said, well,
let me read that book. I read

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it, and I thought, man, one day, I'm going to make

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this into a movie. I just
knew that, and I eventually I left,

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I started a company, and then
I didn't need to work anymore.

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So I spent a couple of years
working on this John Newton story. Went

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to England several times, put the
story together. It is a phenomenal story

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script in front of film people,
but I felt like twenty for it and

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I didn't have the time for it. I put a shot to the side

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for another day. I met with
a producer actually two months ago about the

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John Newton film, and we're very
committed to getting it done. But what

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happened was about eighteen years ago.
I stumbled across a used book from a

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defunct publisher about this guy who led
the attack on Pearl Harbor, Mitsuo Fucia

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or food cheetah, depending on how
you want to say it. They say

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fou cheetah with no accent. In
English we say fu cheetah. Doesn't really

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matter in any event. I know
a lot about history. I love history,

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I love twe stories. I didn't
know about this guy's life, and

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my expectations were bomb's planes and ships
and maybe some of somewhere at the end

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he gets religion or something like that. It wasn't anything like that. And

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as I went through this book,
I thought, Wow, this is a

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full on phenomenal movie. That's what
this is. So I spent three years

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of researching the story. I met
with world's leading authorities. I had critics

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go through it, met with authors, met with family members. I did

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everything I could to piece this story
together, and the more I researched,

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the better it got. As far
as this guy's life story, it is

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mind blowing. And I've had dozens
of people say Moon to Tire was the

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best book they'd ever writ in their
life because this story it's true. If

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it was fiction, it just wouldn't
work. So especials, I got in

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front of film people and they wanted
it. It's one hundred million dollar film.

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The problem was if I said yes
to an option, I lose all

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creative control. So I didn't want
to do that. It was a deal

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breaker, so I focused. I
just took the screenplay and novelized a book

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form, and that's how we ended
up with Wunda Tiger the book. So

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that's a short version of why I
did the story and why I've stuck with

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it is because I love true stories. This is a true story and without

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exaggeration, without being dishonest, in
anyway. It's the greatest true story I've

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ever come across in my life,
and yet to have anybody say anything other

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than that when they read it.
Well, tell you that'll compel, That'll

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compel our viewers to make sure they
get their hands on the copy of your

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book and to be blessed, you
know by this kind of you know,

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this kind of work and the story
that is behind Mitchell Fushina. What about

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the two other characters that you intertwine
in this true story, Jenkin begout.

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Yeah, So the subtitle of Wunda
Tiger is the true story of the pilot

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who led the attack on Pearl Harbor, whose life was changed by an American

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prisoner and by a girl he never
met. So there's actually three plot lines

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in the story. Fuchiitah is about
is about fifty percent of the story.

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Then, the guy named Jacob Chaser
was an American trying to find his way

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in the world, get jobs,
make money. He was failing at everything.

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He signs up for the army because
it's you know, it's a job

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and you have some job security.
After he joined, that's when the attack

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on Pearl Harbor came. And then
suddenly everyone we're going to war. Well,

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he was like any other red blooded
American young male, saying, I

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want revenge on the dirty Japanese who
did this thing. We're going to go

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destroy Japan. So the volunteers on
a mission which he knew nothing about.

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They wouldn't even tell him. He
was so secret. He just had a

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volunteer or not volunteer. So we
volunteers on this mission. And it was

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the Dolittle Raid, which was the
first counter attack of the US against Japan.

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So Pearl Harbor took place December seventh, nineteen forty one. The do

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Little Rate took place on April eighteenth, so it was only a few months

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later. Really it was very right. Well, the rate was considered to

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be successful, but his plane ran
out of fuel and they had a bailout

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over occupied Japan. He becomes a
prisoner of war and he was in prison,

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solitary confinement, tortured all kinds of
horrible things. So that's plot line

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number two, and plot line number
three is the Covel family. They were

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highly educated teachers and missionaries in Japan. They loved the Japanese people. They

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volunteered to go to the worst parts
of Japan and Tokyo and Yokohama to feed

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people, clean them, wash their
hair, and tell them how much God

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loves them. But when Japan ramped
up for war, they realized it was

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not a safe place for Americans.
They were putting people in jail. They

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fled to the Philippines for safety,
where Douglas MacArthur was and there's one hundred

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thousand troops, planes, troops in
all kinds of hardware. The figured,

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hey, the Japanese will never attack
the Philippines. They sent their children back

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to the United States. The daughter, Peggy Covell, went to a college

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in Upstate New York. And that's
the setup of this story. Whuchetah wants

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glory for himself and his nation,
Jake Dechezer wants revenge, and Peggy Covell,

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she wants to demonstrate the love of
God to people who believe he doesn't

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exist. And that's what she did
with her life. Is anything that anybody

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here in this who's listening, they
could have a monumental impact on somebody's life

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just by doing simple acts in love. And that's what she did. So

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that's the outline of the three stories
that eventually come together in a very unpredictable

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and rewarding way. Now you say
this intertwining of these three characters is similar

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to Jesus' pursuit of humanity, right, Well, I'd say that these plot

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lines, they're all different people coming
from different places. John Newton, who

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wrote the song Amazing Grace, he
said that the Kingdom of God is like

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a port that ships come to from
all over the world, different ships on

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different paths, but they all come
to the same port. So in that

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respect, I'd say, yes,
these people's lives were radically different in many

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different ways, but they all come
to the same destination. With Bucheta,

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he was not seeking God, he
was not seeking the Gospel. It was

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only when he started seeing circumstances of
where he should have died. This guy

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was among many other things, Well, his plane was hit by shrapnel or

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by andy aircraft fire during the Pearl
Harbor raiate because he was the leader.

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He was circling that harbor to take
notes. He had a map and was

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making notes. He actually painted a
map and he gave to the Emperor.

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We have a copy of that in
the book. So he did these things,

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and his plane was because it was
over the harbor so long, he

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was shot at by anti aircraft fire. When he got back to his aircraft

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carrier, his engineer said, hey, listen, I got to show you

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something. One of his control wires
was frayed. It was like that thread

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you always see, just a thread. And he said, if this had

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broken, I mean he didn't say, he said, look at this.

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And they said the gods are with
you, because that was their belief system.

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But in retrospect, you saying,
why am I not dead? He

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said. Hiroshima, the day before
they drop the bomb, gets a phone

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call, leaves to go to another
air base. Hiroshima is bombed by the

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atomic bomb, ninety thousand people dead. His hotel vaporized. So after the

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war, he started thinking, you
know what has happened? Why am I

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not dead? And then he heard
about Take to Che's's story where he tells

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his testimony in Japanese. He read
that he wanted to read his book,

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and he heard about this lady Peggy
Kovell from a man who used to work

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with him on his aircraft carrier.
And he told about the story of this

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woman loving her enemies, and he
started asking questions, where does this love

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come from? I think we've been
taught you hate your enemies, you kill

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your enemies. Why would you love
your enemies? And he didn't understand that.

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He wasn't seeking the Kingdom of God. He was just seeking truth.

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Why would anyone love their enemies?
When he got that answer, that's when

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the Lord opened the doors for him. So he wasn't really seeking God.

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He was just seeking answers to questions. If you see truth, you end

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up finding the truth. Yeah,
exactly. And because God says that's what

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will happen, is that if you
keep knocking and keep asking, and you're

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faithful, you know, to find
the answer, you know God will give

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it to you. We're talking with
Martin Bennett. He is the author of

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the book Wounded Tiger. It's a
true story and it's phenomenal here in just

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so far what you've laid out here, Martin, I think for Monsieur Fushida,

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you know, for somebody who doesn't
know God but yet, I imagine

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starting to connect the dots. I
mean, whether it's a plane that he

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should not have survived in and escape
an opportune movement away from you know,

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Hiroshima, or he would have been
vapored along with ninety ninety thousand others,

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right, and you know he's beginning
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you know what is going on.
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a life of in pursuit of God
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and little little does he know or
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of the Gospel go forth and and
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come back void. Right, Yeah, So when we, you know,

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God tells us to obey him and
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kind of he's kind of vague.
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You'll see why. And I used
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to my kids when they were young, and I'd say, there's two ways

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to find out that God is right
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or don't do what he says.
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about everything. So with Peggy Covell
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godly man. He was very much
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to be honest, and I'm not
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life story it works better that way
because he's the perfect person to do the

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things he did. So with Peggy
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terrible things and experience some of these
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how can I love my enemies?
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where Japanese Americans were being held temporarily
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up volunteering for a hospital for prisoners
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that's where because she spoke Japanese,
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POWs. Well. One of the
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and when this guy goes back to
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girl who loves her enemies like he
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would you do that? And it's
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you know, with Fuchita, that
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to bring the lighted day into the
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know, to say, well,
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that's a legitimate, heartfelt question that
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the universe and God says, you
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think that I can do something with
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it was a long, slow journey
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culture is very, very different than
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of stigma for anyone to embrace a
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native to Japan, but there also
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the time was kind of like,
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another country's god. We don't we
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he had a lot of things he
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becoming a believer because it meant being
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story, a man comes in to
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and you can see the conversation,
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also Jake de Chazer. He hated
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prison, being tortured, seeing people
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said in his own words, he
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Wow. And then at some point
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a better way to live than living
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want to be that person. And
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really an encouragement to moms out there. You don't realize how powerful a position

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you're in in your family with your
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about her, and he decides I
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a believer and she knew God,
and she was a loving, forgiving,

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principled woman, and she had peace
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in this dark place where pretty good
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other people scene die. So he
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this is really true. How could
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and finally said basically, okay,
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gonna do what you say, but
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are and make it happen. And
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It is quite amazing. And then
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start happening naturally amazing and supernaturally amazing
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and ultimately he had impact on Futita's
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the war. These are things that
if it was a fictional story, it

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just wouldn't work, They said,
Martin, too far out, that's just

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too weird. The odds are these
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it actually did happen. It's true, And that's the encouraging thing. If

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it happened for him, it can
happen for you seek God out. He's

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a reward of those who seek him
exactly. And the fact that what you

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demonstrate here is that God remains active
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much of this could you did you
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was not a supernatural act of God
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know this, this is incredible that, as you say, if it wasn't

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a true story, then people would
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a limb with this. You probably
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Well, we did bring it to
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with it, they said, well, women fifty and older by fifty percent

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of all books. They don't read
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going across Europe. And I said, and my agent said, it's it's

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not a war story. It's a
character drives story that takes place in the

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context of war. And ultimately,
my agent said, Martin, they don't

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care what you think. They don't
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they think, and they think they
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fact is Wounded Tiger the previous it's
actually I self published it on a small

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scale, but we got hundreds of
reviews and it has a higher five star

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rating than John Grisham's best selling book, The Firm, his best book of

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all. So this edition is totally
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it, and it's written in the
format of fiction, but it's a true

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story. So it's most true stories
are nonfiction. But I didn't really care

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for that because nonfiction you're kind of
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bit more clinical. Yeah, I
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like experiencing and this is what Truman
Capoti did within Cold Blood, and also

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Michael Chera did this with Gettysburg,
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of fiction. They call it a
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it's more experiential, and it reads
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but it's a true story that we've
highly vetted. What I say in

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the introduction is the essence of every
scene in the story is true. And

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just for your people out there,
if they want to read the first chapters

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three, it's at Wounded Tiger dot
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yourself what you think of the story. Yeah, exactly, how does the

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prayer Saint Francis come into this?
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that Jimmy Covell, the father of
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and it's really a powerful poem.
I have not memorized it, so I

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can't give it to you right now, but the essence of it is where

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you see things that are not right, God help me to make it right.

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When I see a problem, not
to complain about it, but to

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actually participate with the change. You
know, where there's sadness. Let me

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bring joy where there's weakness, let
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those lines. And he read this, he believed it, but more importantly

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and more powerfully, he lived it. He made choices that other people would

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never make, and you see it
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to flee for his life with his
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the Philippines. They had to live
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could find, people bringing bananas or
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a threat, and the Japanese are
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also this belief of doing good where
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part of his family philosophy. And
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banner and when she saw the Japanese
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how can I show the greatest love
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a very private person. She was
a librarian, very you know, she

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wasn't outgoing, flamboyant somebody you'd vote
as personality of the year. Not that

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person. But the impact she had
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she had not done what she did, I would not be talking to you

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today, and I wouldn't have spent
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wanting to targeer the movie, the
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woman, or anybody in any place
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acts done in love can have gigantic
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of your peace and uh and everything
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take away and rob us of our
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you know. Like one of the
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me, uh when I first read
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being understood. Uh. You know, so it puts you in a subordinate

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position, and that's where God's peace
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and uh and you know, and
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where there is hatred. You know. Uh, let let me let me

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be an instrument of love, you
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of those things. And you know, and what Jakes has experienced, what

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Mitchell shit as well in terms of
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hatred is on stage with what's happening
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because you've got ancient hatred, this
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been on display and been targeted towards
towards Israelis And you know, it's it's

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where we are in this world right
now, and and we're realizing that hatred

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and love cannot cohabitate, can they? No, But it's a great opportunity

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because the light shines the brightest in
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a treatise or a or a lesson
about why we should love our enemies.

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It's a demonstration of the power of
God in people's lives who hated each other

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to the point of killing other people
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where they love people, they forgive
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reconcile. So how this happened with
Batida's life, How this happened in the

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Deschaser's life and how the Lord used
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all this dissension and hatred is a
lesson we can learn for learned from by

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that demonstration. So the world needs
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there's fighting and killing and wars,
but nobody has a solution for it.

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But the fact is we do have
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solution lived out from a person who
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warfare and ending with love and peace
and power and joy. How does that

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happen? You see it in Wounded
Tiger and it's beautiful. Well, the

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only way you can make that transition, as you said it. You know,

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some would identify it as something,
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of the amount of hatred, the
dogma that's running so deep within you to

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think that you must hate your enemy. But it is It is God himself.

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what Jesus has done on the cross
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There's no political figure. There's no
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of transformation, is there no?
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I stumbled the cross In this story, which is in the book. Pucita

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was on USS, Missouri when the
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Bay September two, nineteen forty five, and so I knew that General Douglas

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MacArthur gave a speech. So I
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going to basically edit it down for
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for the film first going through his
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thinking. I was thinking, Okay, here's the speech. You know,

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the war's over, piece whatever.
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speech. But I was really thinking
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died. I mean, it was
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war is over, and here is
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a speech at the surrender ceremonies.
I mean, this is an epic speech.

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Bill he says the problem is spiritual,

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and I think I cannot believe I'm
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this very carefully and I did print
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he's saying, he says, the
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need to address it on that level. I'm thinking I agree with him one

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hundred percent, But it didn't ever
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something like that on the deck of
USS Missouri. But he does, and

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you know what, he's one hundred
percent right. We both know it that

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conflict ultimately is a spiritual battle,
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a physical plane exactly. Well,
you know, don't you love the truth

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of God? I read the Bible
every day and I can't wait to read

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it because I need truth. You
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I've thought about this many times.
We every human being on this planet has

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the exact same obligation to live according
to what's true. The closer you live

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to what's true, the better off
your life is going to be. And

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the further that you live from the
truth, the worst it will be,

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and the worse you impact will be
on everyone and everything else. So,

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yes, we need to live according
to the truth. So the first thing

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we have to do is to seek
the truth and commit ourselves that whether I

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like it or don't like it,
I'm going to live according to it because

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there's no other way to live.
It Really is an individual responsibility, isn't

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it. I mean, we have
been conditioned to be told what we should

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believe, told you know, how
we should react, and we have been

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saying consistently on this show. I've
been admonishing our viewers and our listeners to

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own your own knowledge. Take the
responsibility. I mean for you, look

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at you commit eight years of your
life to research this book. You know,

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we need to pursue the truth no
matter where it leads, and understand

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who are the truth tellers and who
are not because right now, in this

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information age in which we live in, you know, the Bible warned us

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that there would be that time where
we would be running to and fro in

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search of knowledge and we wouldn't find
it. And it seems that here it

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is, in this information age,
when knowledge is right in the palm of

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your hand, seemingly, but you
still need to be an not so much

421
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a consumer, but a discerner of
what this information is, what's the source

422
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of this information? Because I've been
I've also been saying on the show Martin

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that you know, I wish that
when some of these talking heads come on,

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especially politicians, that there was some
sort of you know notation, you

425
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know, like with a movie.
You know, when a movie comes up,

426
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they tell you whether it's PG,
or if it's X rated or are

427
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rated. You know, there should
be some sort of validity quotion or truth

428
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:02.799
quotion that is is subtitled on some
of the on some of the names of

429
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these people who are put before us, like as if they're authorities. Right,

430
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.119
yeah, okay, well yeah,
that's a great point. So that

431
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brings me back to I wrote the
movie first. I wrote the script for

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the movie. And you know,
movies they'll say, you know, based

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on a true story or inspired by
a true story, and it's kind of

434
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like, you know, fruit juice, drink, it's like ten percent of

435
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.440
the real It's like how much sugar
water is in this thing. And I

436
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think people feel a little bit ripped
off. I know I do when I

437
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want a movie it's a true story, and then you read the notes and

438
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the feedback it's like, no,
that didn't happen, that didn't happen.

439
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.519
They made this up. You feel
kind of like you're cheated, you're kind

440
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.880
of lied to. So for me. I'm on the exact opposite end of

441
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the spectrum. This is a true
story and I have spent a ton of

442
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.920
time finding these facts. And I
was challenged by some pretty you know,

443
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high powered people, authors, people
are researchers, Well, how do you

444
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.920
know this happened? Where's your facts
behind this? Martin? I thought,

445
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.440
well, it's actually a good question. I had to drill, drill,

446
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.880
drill. But as I said before, and I put in the introduction to

447
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.920
the to the book, the essence
of every scene in this story is true,

448
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.079
and that is I do stand behind
that, and that's really the power

449
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.200
of it. It's authentic. We
don't want a fake story. It's going

450
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.720
to be inspired by a completely fictional
story unless there's principles and things. You

451
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.960
know, C. S. Lewis
and you know all that. That's good.

452
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.920
But for me, a true story
that really happened. Here's what happened,

453
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.440
Here's how the life changed. That's
very powerful. It's I remember hearing

454
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.559
a man of God older and a
guy who was in his seventies. He

455
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:40.480
said, a man with an argument, a man with an experience is never

456
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.799
at the mercy of a man with
an argument exactly. That's like the man

457
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who is blind and he was healed
in the Pharisees. We know this man

458
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is not of God. You know, tell us what happened. He said,

459
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.799
listen, I was blind. Now
I see, and Jesus Christ did

460
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.359
it. You can't argue with that. So in the story of Hunda Tiger,

461
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.759
you see these transformations happening, and
you know that God was involved.

462
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We have an obligation to live according
to the truth. The truth sets people

463
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.279
free. The problem is the truth
also shows us that we're bad people.

464
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We make terrible choices, and we
don't like that truth. And I've talked

465
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.680
to people like you know, why
are you condemning me? Why are you

466
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.519
saying negative things about me? It's
like, well, we have to be

467
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.119
honest with ourselves if we're going to
progress. You know, what is it

468
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.480
Shakespeare to thine own self be truth, and in the scripture says, you

469
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.559
know, don't lie to yourself or
you're lying to yourself. So truth means

470
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.799
being humble too. If you're going
to seek the truth and find the truth,

471
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.039
you have to be humble enough to
say, if the shoe fits,

472
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.920
wear it, I should not have
done that thing, I shouldn't have said

473
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.640
this or whatever it is. And
Fucito was humble enough that when he found

474
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.759
that path of truth, he found
the truth, the way, the truth

475
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.880
and the life. And God says
he's a rewarder of those who earnestly seek

476
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.839
him, and so I encourage people
to do that. But it's fun to

477
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.720
see that journey, like I said, in John Newton's Life, and of

478
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.359
course in Buccita d Chezer and the
Kobles family, to see how these three

479
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.279
stories have nothing to do with each
other, each of them figuring out how

480
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.279
to follow what's good, right and
true, and how it all pays off

481
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:16.599
of the end of like unimaginably good
things happen exactly well. And as you

482
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.079
say, and it's interesting, you
should use Shakespeare's to Thine own self be

483
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.799
true. I think the first time
I saw that I was seven years old.

484
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I was in public I was in
a bus going to school, public

485
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.640
transportation, and they had these little
billboards up there and that was one.

486
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And when I read that at seven, I said, there's something very profound

487
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.279
about that. And it has stayed
with me, you know, to this

488
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.200
day. It drives my life.
And the thing that is a bit of

489
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.200
a challenge, I mean, First
of all, you need to understand that

490
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.279
nobody's perfect. We've all fallen short
of God's glory, right, And when

491
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:01.599
you understand that, then it you
know, not that it excuses misbehavior,

492
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.480
but it starts to build some character
and give you some footing to where when

493
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.440
you are wrong and you admit it, the quicker you admit it, the

494
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:16.159
better off you are, and the
less damage you and the fact you can

495
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.880
have on others, because like you
said, the power of the truth is

496
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:25.000
it's very infectious, and it's encouraging, it's uplifting to others, and so

497
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.000
and the converse is true, and
that is the power of a lie.

498
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.679
How destructive that can be, you
know, to your kids, to your

499
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.119
family, to your wives, business
relationships, and on and on. Right.

500
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:43.119
Yeah, and sometimes they couch this
in You've got to be realistic and

501
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.719
they'll say, I'm just being honest, I'm just being realistic, but they're

502
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:51.400
denying the potential of good things.
So in this story, Jake says that

503
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.280
you had a godly mom and she
was hoping that her son was okay,

504
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.840
but there was no news. Nobody
knew that Japanese wouldn't say and they did.

505
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.880
In the newspapers. Some of these
prisoners were executed, and then there

506
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.920
was actually a news report that came
out that her son was executed and it

507
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.639
wasn't confirmed, and they said,
so, what do you think about this?

508
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.679
She says, well, I've always
believed that my son was alive,

509
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.639
but you know, I don't know, and then she starts crying. She

510
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.960
goes back in the house and I
found this fact and it was mind boggling

511
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.519
when I came across this. But
what happened was that night she just randomly

512
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.639
opens the Bible. She comes across
his verses says, your son will not

513
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:36.760
die. He will come home again, and she just grabbed that. She

514
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.239
wrote it down and she said,
praise the dear Lord Jesus Christ. So,

515
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.920
then as the war progressed, no
news on her son. Her family

516
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.679
was like, hey, you know, yeah, I don't think he's going

517
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.280
to make it. She goes,
no, he's coming back. I'm positive

518
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.519
he's coming back. And nobody could
dissuade her. And they felt sorry for

519
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:59.159
her because she lived in this pretend
dream world. She wasn't being realistic,

520
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.760
she wasn't being honest. But what
she was doing was she was living according

521
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.639
to the truth, because the Lord
speaks the truth, and sometimes he actually

522
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.639
does people a favor by telling them
ahead of time, like he did with

523
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.719
Joseph, and like he did with
many other people. And he told his

524
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.599
mom, he your son is coming
back alive. So she had to go

525
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:22.360
through a lot of garbage of people, friends, well meaning people, friends,

526
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.599
trying to say, hey, you
know he's gone, you know,

527
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.880
just admit it. Stop living in
a pretend dream world. So she was

528
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.119
living according to truth though, and
of course you know I wouldn't be saying

529
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.480
this wasn't truth. He does come
back alive, and how all that happens

530
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.480
is really an amazing story, and
it's an encouraging story. So sometimes truth

531
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.599
is like it's written in the Bible, we know it. Sometimes truth is

532
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.599
just physics and math and science.
And sometimes truth is the Lord speaks you

533
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.800
a word to you and you know
it's from him. You just got to

534
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.840
have to put all your chips on
it. If you were Noah, you're

535
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.320
building this boat saying there's no water
here, there's no river, there's no

536
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.079
lake. What are you doing right, Well, I'm dealing what the Lord's

537
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:00.599
led me to do. That's the
truth. We didn't have to live that

538
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.039
way too, But you have to
know the shepherd in order to be able

539
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.840
to recognize his voice. Exactly.
Can you imagine? I mean I can

540
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.360
barely imagine as a mom what she
must have gone through in being so worried

541
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.000
about her son. And God knew
that this was going to hurt her heart,

542
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.159
that this was a burden for her
to carry for too long a period

543
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:29.519
of time. Because God knew that
her son was going to be imprisoned and

544
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:36.000
she was not going to hear any
news of him being alive or dead.

545
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.639
But God's hand was upon his life
to keep him alive, no doubt about

546
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.440
it. And God, you know, gave her this comfort, gave her

547
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.760
a sense of peace. You know, we're talking about peace again. God

548
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.960
doesn't want us walking around like you
know, the walking wounded. You know,

549
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.519
his peace is shalom. He sends
to her to comfort her and carry

550
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.639
us through this time. But you
see, we get back to the truth

551
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:07.440
again, Martin. You know,
the truth before used to be a defense

552
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.280
and you can no longer rely on
the truth as a defense. It becomes

553
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.280
an offense in this current culture because
it does not know God. Yeah,

554
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.000
a truth can be offensive, but
if we love the truth. We just

555
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:22.960
have to be honest and say,
if the shoe fits, we're gonna wear

556
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:28.559
it exactly, and just be aware
that sometimes we just don't know the truth.

557
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.360
I think it's healthy for Christians to
say I don't know, I don't

558
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.920
know. I mean, the disciples
asked Jesus, well, when is all

559
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.760
this going to happen? And his
answer in essence was I don't know,

560
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.800
only as a father knows. So
it's okay to say we don't know.

561
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.639
That's the truth of the matter.
We don't need to conjure up an answer.

562
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:51.119
But with Deschaser's mother, Jake Deschazer, the war ended and we had

563
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.639
victory, and there was still no
news what happened to the prisoners, and

564
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.840
the Japanese had said, both internally
and externally, if we lose the war,

565
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.119
we're just killing all the listeners.
We're just gonna kill them all because

566
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:04.840
they would be, of course witnesses
to all these war crimes, and they

567
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.559
didn't want that to happen. They'll
just get rid of all the evidence by

568
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.719
killing them. And many of the
POWs considered that that's probably what would happen,

569
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.039
including Jake de Chazer. But that's
not what happened. And of course

570
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.159
the Lord spoke to him too that
he was going to live as well.

571
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.360
He was dying and he was thinking
this is it, and Lord said no,

572
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:22.760
he had a purpose for him,
and he saved him. And it's

573
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.960
amazing what happened in his life and
how it all worked out exactly. We're

574
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.320
talking with Martin Bennett. He's the
author of Wounded Tiger, a true story

575
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.960
that was written, you know,
for a movie, and Martin, this

576
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.320
is so ripe, you know for
a movie. I can't wait to see

577
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:47.000
it on the big screen. These
stories of faith that you have captured,

578
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:54.079
that you've shared with the audience,
that you have in a sense been baptized

579
00:39:54.079 --> 00:40:00.760
in. I mean, how have
these faith stories changed you? Well,

580
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.400
we all have difficult circumstances in life, myself some very difficult ones. Like

581
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.320
I said, I had a lot
of money through choices that didn't have anything

582
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:14.199
to do with me. I ended
up with nothing and I slept on my

583
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.519
son's couch for a year while I
was working on this book. Among other

584
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.360
things. I was a security guard
working for minimum wage in the desert,

585
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.199
but I wasn't involved in anything like
what these guys went through. On both

586
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.159
the American and the Japanese side.
The horrific conditions, the death, I

587
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.199
mean, just terrible, terrible things. But you say, if God helped

588
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.320
them in their circumstances, then I
believe he can help me. So it's

589
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.960
broadened my horizon to say there's no
circumstance that God kids like, well,

590
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.400
that's too tough. I just can't
work anything out on this. And we

591
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.159
serve a God. It says that
he's able to do infinitely more than we

592
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.800
would ask or even imagine. Well, if that's true, we should live

593
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.719
that way. And when you see
these kinds of things happening, like in

594
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.559
Wounded Tiger, of people's lives being
changed and transformed to where some things seems

595
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.880
like it's impossible for anything good to
come out of this. Everyone's dead,

596
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.840
Well how does that? How does
that work? And Lord says, well,

597
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.079
I'm going to show you how this
is going to work, and you're

598
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:13.719
like, Okay, that's amazing.
I had somebody who read the book and

599
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.760
they sent me a review like last
week, and they said, Martin,

600
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.800
she was saying, I was thinking
I thought you were tooting your horn,

601
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.119
was what she said. She's like, you're just like bragging about this story.

602
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.800
I said, no, I like
the story, but you said,

603
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:28.039
so I read the book. She
said, Martin, this is an amazing

604
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.639
story. I was, I was
crying, real tears. I was just

605
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.360
this is this is absolutely astounding story. It's got to be a film.

606
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.239
So you can't explain a story.
You have to experience the story, and

607
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.239
that is who to tell you.
And it's encouraging and inspiring to people.

608
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.760
Well that's one testimony. I'm sure
you've got many more that you can share

609
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.840
with this. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, well oh sure. So I

610
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.519
had a friend actually she was a
new acquaintance, not a believer, but

611
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.760
very liberal in he philosophy, not
a church schoer in any way, shape

612
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.639
or for me, and I said
I wanted her to read a pre released

613
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version of the book. She's Japanese
America American, highly educated, and I

614
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discussed it with her. She said, so, she's asked me a bunch

615
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.480
of questions. Hero hitoined the story. I said, yeah, the Emperor

616
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.480
Japan is actually a key figure in
this story. She said, you said

617
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.280
this is a true story. I
mean, are you making stuff up or

618
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.360
is this true? I said,
it's a true story. I'm not making

619
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any of this stuff up. Then
she looks at me. She says,

620
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.079
Martin, I don't think I'm going
to like this book. And she worked

621
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.679
for a newspaper that did book reporice. She said, if I read your

622
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.920
book and I don't like it,
I'm going to write a negative review.

623
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.760
I said, I'm not asking to
like the book. Maybe you won't like

624
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:38.719
it. You don't need to like
the book, but you see what you

625
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.320
think. So she then read the
book, and then a few days later

626
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.719
she sent me emails of Martin,
unbelievable story. I'm going to get your

627
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.400
book table. I'm going to help
you out. She wrote a positive review.

628
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And then I was in a restaurant. I took her and her husband

629
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to dinner. Did I mention this
before I took him to dinner? No,

630
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.000
you didn't. You didn't mention it. I did two other reviews,

631
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.800
do the interviews. So I took
her, her and her husband to dinner,

632
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.920
just for fine. We went to
a Japanese restaurant, had a good

633
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.960
time. How they met and just
whatever. And then about three quarters the

634
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.480
way through the dinner, she took
off her glasses. Tears start coming down

635
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.960
her cheeks. She said, Martin, I got to tell you something.

636
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:21.719
This story hit me really hard.
My mother treated us horribly. She was

637
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.559
very mean to us, and I
hated my mom for how she treated us.

638
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.440
Even at the time her mom was
still alive. She said, I

639
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.119
still find myself hating my mom.
She would lock us in the basement.

640
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.400
We'd scream and cry and bang on
the door. She was just an evil

641
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.199
person. But she said, when
I saw what these people did in the

642
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.400
story, how they loved each other, I felt I need to be a

643
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.119
better person. And I thought to
myself when she said this, well,

644
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.159
that's a good starting place to say, I need to be a better person.

645
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.320
That's the pathway to the Kingdom of
God. So we've remained friends ever

646
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.920
since. But what I've seen bill
over and over is that this story opens

647
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.840
doors with just about every kind of
person there is, because there's something that

648
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.280
people identify as being authentic and true. In the same sense, if somebody,

649
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.920
you know, ran out and took
off his shirt and jumped, you

650
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.840
know, broke through the ice to
rescue somebody and saved their life when he

651
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.639
gets back to the shore, you'll
you'll be amazed at that's that was amazing.

652
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.360
You don't say, wait a second, are you white, are you

653
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.559
black? Are you old? Are
you young? Are you a Christian?

654
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.480
Are you atheist? We don't care. We just say that was a good

655
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.559
thing. And that's what you see
in Wounded Tiger, over and over,

656
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.559
things happening like, man, that's
amazing, how did that happen? Like

657
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:35.360
the story of of excuse me,
of Sharma Covell, and of the du

658
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:40.199
Chasers, and and of Fuchiitah's family. When you see how these things happen,

659
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.800
I mean, it brings tears to
your eyes. And I've had I

660
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:45.840
had one review. This woman said, I just finished your book. Now

661
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.440
I'm picking up the kleenex off the
floor. I mean, she said,

662
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.320
I was just flown away. I
had an interviewer like you who said,

663
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.760
Martin, I don't have time to
read a book like this. I said,

664
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.960
you don't need to read the book, just flip through a few pages.

665
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.360
You're in there. She said,
fine, but I'm not reading the

666
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:01.400
book. I said, it doesn't
offend me. It's okay, you can

667
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.000
do the end of view. It'll
be fine. So like two days before

668
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.559
the interview, she said, Martin, I sat down on Saturday started flipping

669
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.440
through this book, started reading it, and I kept reading it and reading

670
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.480
it and reading it. I've read
the entire book and the sun went down,

671
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.960
and this is one unbelievable story.
I've never read a story quite like

672
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:27.079
this before. What a blessing.
Speaking of Fushida, we got about four

673
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.239
and a half minutes, maybe four
minutes left here, Martin, I do

674
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:37.239
want you to share with the audience. You know, this pivot point and

675
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:42.880
this dramatic change in Fushida's life that
brought him to no Christ. Well without

676
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:49.519
spoiling the story for potential readers.
The turning point came with this conversience of

677
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.719
God helping him when he was a
hateful, evil person, and God doing

678
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.440
good things for him, saving his
life time after time, where almost all

679
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.119
of the people he was with on
the Pearl Harbor raid after the war,

680
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.559
almost all these guys are dead,
and when they looked at surrender, a

681
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.400
lot of officers killed themselves. It's
something that widn't even looked at. And

682
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.320
then seeing that the life of Jake
Dechaes, who was in the US Army

683
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.960
Air Corps, which was the precursor
to the Air Force, he admired him

684
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.920
for their guts to come and attack
Japan straight across the ocean, go right

685
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.760
to downtown Tokyo. Even though he
was the enemy, he respected him as

686
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.119
being a warrior. When he read
his testimony about what happened in his life

687
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:35.840
with God, that was just like, what are you talking about? He

688
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.679
didn't quite grasp it. And then
Peggy Covell's story coming to him through his

689
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.599
former engineer, who he thought his
engineer was dead from the Battle of Midway.

690
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.000
They had no report of him.
They thought he went down with the

691
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.880
ship. What happened was he got
picked up by Americans and taken to the

692
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.400
United States and brought to a hospital. So the answer to the question was

693
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:57.159
a convergence of all these things at
the same time. And then reading the

694
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.920
truth of the Gospel. Can you
imagine reading the Gospel and not knowing anything

695
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.639
about it as you go through the
story. I mean from an early age,

696
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.599
my mom told me the Bible stories
and I went to church and everything.

697
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.960
He knew nothing. So when he
comes to the crucifixion, and I

698
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.320
cannot tell you what it was about
it, but it hit him so hard.

699
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.880
That was the breaking point. He
was done and he just gave his

700
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.960
life to God. Well, what
a great story. Thank you for giving

701
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.159
us a little tease on that.
For our viewers that will want to get

702
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.440
their hands on your book, Wounded
Tiger, that's available. How can they

703
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.440
get their hands on it, Martin, Well, you can go to Wounded

704
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.239
Tiger dot com and you'll see it
there. You'll you can pre order.

705
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.599
It'll be released November seventh. You
can read the first chapters free. I

706
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.320
think it's eight chapters you can read. There's also a sizzlereal that shows what

707
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.920
an idea of the movie might look
like. And there's more information about the

708
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:52.360
book and myself as well. But
it will be on Amazon as well,

709
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.360
but it's not live yet. It's
not available for pre order, but the

710
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.599
release stage November seventh, and of
course the anniversary is December seventh. I

711
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.679
think that reason it'll be of great
interest you mentioned timing. Yeah, so

712
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.000
it's a story of hope and inspiration
and I've found people of all walks of

713
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.480
life find something in the story that
really hits them in a good way.

714
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.679
Well, a major theme and this
will be the final question here for you,

715
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.199
Martin. Is forgiveness that is so
obvious in this book, right,

716
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.519
Yeah, the way I put it
is you cannot give what you do not

717
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.519
have. And if you need to
forgive somebody else, you need forgiveness first.

718
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:35.719
And she to realize that he had
done terrible, horrible things. Now

719
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.880
we all justify our past. We
have all kinds of reasons. While I

720
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.119
was in the military and I followed
orders whatever, But at some point you

721
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.679
have to take personal responsibility for your
decisions, and you got to say it's

722
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.760
my fault. I'm responsible forgive me, you know, And when we receive

723
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.360
forgiveness, then we're able to give
that forgiveness. That that's the river of

724
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:58.440
living water that flows up. So
you know, for me personally, I

725
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.639
forgive everybody everything all the time.
Continuously. God cuts off in traffic,

726
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.760
you know, I forgive him,
and I hope he has a great life

727
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:12.480
as quickly as possible. Exactly.
You don't want to You don't want to

728
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.199
meditate on hate and evil, right, Yeah, so I don't. I'm

729
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.719
not going to be a road rager. I'm a forgiver, you know what.

730
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:22.840
I sleep soundly at night. I
forgive everybody everything because God forgave me

731
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.320
everything. Amen. Well, Martin
Bennett, thank you so much for being

732
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.400
with us. Congratulations on the book. We look forward to its full release

733
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.639
come November. And when do you
think it's going to be on the big

734
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.039
screen? Can you give us a
little tease on that. In a minute

735
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.760
that we have left here, we're
down to the last seconds. Go ahead.

736
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.880
Well, the producer Hacksaw Ridge called
me up. An attorney said,

737
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.079
we've got a billionaire interested in the
project. It's going to be done sooner

738
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.639
or later. I expect by early
twenty twenty four we'll start in pre production.

739
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.559
How much fun is that? And
that'll be another reason for us to

740
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.199
get back together. Okay, I
love to talk with you again, Bill,

741
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.440
Thank yous. Forward to it.
Martin Bennett has been our guests.

742
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:05.280
He's the author of Wounded Tiger.
Stay tuned for more details. Undoubtedly they

743
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.960
will be coming your way. Well, our thanks to Martin, you know

744
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.239
for being with us. We're so
grateful for him to take the time to

745
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:22.239
tell us about about his book Wounded
Wounded Tiger, and we thank you,

746
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.639
you know for being with us to
share in the experience of hearing about these

747
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.599
incredible stories, a true story and
of course you'll read it for yourself and

748
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.119
as Martin warned, bring tissues.
Okay. So our thanks to Martin Bennett

749
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.119
for being with us today for more
information and to be a part of this

750
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.679
mighty movement to return to God and
to save our country. Check it out

751
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.960
Bill Martinez showed Dot Calm. May
God bless you and keep you, and

752
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.519
make his face shine upon you.
May He be gracious unto you and give

753
00:50:52.519 --> 00:51:06.320
you peace. Thanks again for being
with us. Takecare predict supplements of publicIt