Woke Jesus, The False Messiah Destroying Christianity

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W FORCY Radio. Well, good
afternoon. Well in this society and this

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culture in which we live in today, where everything's all about being woke,

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no surprise that the church is under
attack, and we're reading every day,

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almost every day there's a new report
about another denomination going woke, and you

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go, what is going on here? What does woke have to do with

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Jesus? And what would Jesus do? Well, my good friend Miles Lucas,

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Lucas Miles, I should say he's
such a good friend. I invert

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his name, Lucas Miles with us
to talk about woke Jesus, the false

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Messiah destroying Christianity. Lucas as a
writer speaker, film producer, and president

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of Influenced Network. He serves as
a lead pastor of Influenced Church as well.

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Lucas, Welcome to the show.
Good to have you with us.

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Bill, always good to be with
you. Thanks for having me back.

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Hey, I'm so excited to talk
about this because you know, this is

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happening in our culture, and you
know, we were warned that there would

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be those days that even the elect
would be deceived. And the only way

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that the elect will not be deceived, and I'm convinced of this, Lucas,

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is what God showed me is that
we need to follow the lead of

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you know, bank tellers. You
know, I use this example, you

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know bank tellers how they tell the
difference between you know, real money and

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the counterfeit. And it's amazing.
I ask people that question, and it's

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about fifty fifty. You know,
we'll get it right. Fifty percent of

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them understand that the way that they
bank tellers are trained is that they're trained

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on on studying the legitimate, so
that when the illegitimate comes in, boom,

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they know in an instant. And
I think that's a cautionary tale for

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us as people of faith, is
that do you know the difference between the

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faith and the real, the legitimate
and the counterfeit. Because as we know,

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Lucas, you and I've talked about
this, this is what to say.

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Well, this is what the devil
has over us. He is a

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counterfeit agent, and he comes as
a spirit of light in as a counterfeit

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and we can be easily deceived if
we are not tuned in to you know,

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the voice of God, as Jesus
said, my sheep, here my

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voice, and if we're not tuned
in to his word right, absolutely,

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Look, a biblical literacy is probably
an all time high. It's really sad

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to see, you know, how
many people have drifted from the faith.

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And I think that you know,
COVID exposed a lot of that. So

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many people that you know, we
thought were you know, committed Christians,

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we just saw kind of their faith
go by the wayside. We've seen the

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rise and the ex evangelical movement,
de conversion movement, you know, and

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really this de evolution of the faith
within you know a lot of mainstream churches.

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But look, I'm still an optimist. I believe that God wins in

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the end, and I think you're
right, you know, true believers.

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We need to press into the Word
of God. We really need to make

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it a point to get in the
Word. You know, I just about

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an hour before this, I've picked
up my Bible. I just bit some

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time reading Mark chapter five. You
know, just where the Lord led me.

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And we need to be doing those
kind of things on a regular basis.

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Yeah, without a doubt. And
for those look I said that said,

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look at I bought into the fear. I made a mistake. I

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took the wrong turn. Doesn't mean
you can't take the right turn right right,

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Absolutely, Look, there's plenty of
opportunity to you know, and really,

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you know the Bible. There's amazing
thing about Christianity is that that we

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have this thing called grace. And
what God's grace really reveals to us is

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that, you know, his mercies
are made new every single morning. And

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so if we screwed up today,
don't worry. The sun's gonna rise tomorrow

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and there's gonna be a new opportunity
to really follow the Lord. And so

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it's never too late, you know, to follow Jesus, to do the

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right thing, to say yes to
the Lord. And I think that we

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have to really resist this wolpe virus
that's coming against the church right now,

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and stand strong during this season.
You know, you talk about God's mercies

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new every morning. It reminds me
of a friend in Los Angeles. I

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worked with her, Stephanie Edwards.
You may remember her. Such a sweet

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gal. She is so genuine and
uh you know, we enjoyed her for

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many years on the Roseberade in Los
Angeles. She was one of the the

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key hosts of the Roseberade. But
she she'd tell me, she goes.

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You know, my family, Bill
was so neurotic that we learned to live

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life fifteen minutes at a time,
so we're a constant looking for God's grace

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fifteen minutes. I said, well
that's not that's not all that bad stuff,

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and yeah, yeah, no,
look I mean, and this is

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why it's so important that you know, as we are combating these false ideologies,

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that we're not making our stand on
our own morality. Yea um,

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you know, because look, I
there's nothing good about me except for Jesus.

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And if I'm trying to take a
stand just because I have a higher

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level of morality, well it's works
based, you know, salvation. Our

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stand is that God's truth is greater
than our truth, that a rejection of

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God's truth is a rebellion against God. And that I'm not here to claim

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that I'm more moral than somebody on
the left. I'm here to claim that

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I'm saved by God's grace. And
that if we reject the premise of Scripture,

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if we reject the tenets of the
faith, then we're really getting away

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from the Gospel, and we're ultimately
rebellion against God. And so we're standing

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offering christ righteousness to the world rather
than our own. And and this offer

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of the gospel message that we put
out there is that we need you,

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Lucas and I we need you.
We need you to come alongside, just

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like you need me to come alongside, and we need others to come alongside.

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As coach McCarthy used to say that
he would teach the football players in

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the orientation there in Colorado, that
we're shoulder to shoulder and back to back,

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regardless of color of skin or anything. We're together on this. So

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regardless of how we got here,
what color our skin is, that's irrelevant.

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We're precious in God's sight. We're
so precious looks that he sent his

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son, He put his son on
a cross as a sacrifice to bring us

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home. That it just blows me
away when you really ponder and consider that.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Look, and that's that's one of the

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things that I think that what Christians
are diminishing, they're really starting. They're

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elevating a more of a human form
of Jesus, this great social reform or

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this great champion of the state,
rather than the savior of the world.

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And if we lose sight of Christ's
divinity, if we lose of you know,

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the fact that he came as the
god Man and gave his life on

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our behalf for the cross standing in
our place, that the punishment that we

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deserve, then we're failing to see
really what he came to do, and

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we're rejecting the sacrifice of the offers, and so so important as believers,

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we come back to that Gospel is
really a primary, uh you know,

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primary tenet of the faith every single
day. It's not just head knowledge.

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It's something that we actually need and
crave in our life in order to you

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know, in order to really you
know, overcome in this world. Well,

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this idea of woke Jesus. Understand
that look, at as human beings.

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We want to bring God down to
our level because we think we can

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understand him better if we do that. And uh, and this is where

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they woke Jesus. This this idea
and what's being done, it's it's really

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it's blasphemous. Uh. And I
got to believe that it grieves the Father,

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grieves the Holy Spirit in such a
way, uh, that it causes

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the Holy Spirit, just like in
Genesis where it says that the Spirit of

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God was hovering over the darkness,
you know, like a mother hen and

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I just sensed the Spirit is just
hovering with such intensity over you know,

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this human silliness that is limiting the
power of God. The very thing that

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we want is the full power of
God. And then we want to diminish

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him so that he can fit into
our understanding. How does that work?

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Yeah? Absolutely, you're right.
You know, I mean to stick in

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that Genesis one analogy. You know, at one time there was darkness over

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the surface of the water. There
was chaos, but it was it was

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really that brooding of the Holy Spirit. There's actually an old I remember it's

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been since college since I studied this, but there was an old Bible that

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had kind of a mosaic in it, and it was called I believe the

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Genesis Bible that it has that story
and actually uses a image of kind of

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this duck on the water that is
brooding over creation, waiting to kind of

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give birth to you know, humanity
and to all the elements of creation that

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we see in the first chapter of
Genesis. And I think that that that's

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you know, God is bringing.
He wants to bring order out of chaos.

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And what we see so much in
you know, this push towards socialism,

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this push towards you know, deconversion. This is all about you know,

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destroying the Western you know, way
of life, the Judeo Christian values.

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All of this is pushing us deeper
towards chaos rather than than and really

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away from God's created order. And
as believers, we have to reject that.

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We have to come back to the
truth of the Word and really standing

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God's created system the way that it
is. Well, look, as you

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know, you're exactly right. As
believers, we can see this. I

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mean, this is quite clear and
understandable for us. But for those that

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are losing their way, you know, we've got to love them back to

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the congregation. We got to love
them back to the fold, because you

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know, that's that's what's loving our
neighbor is all about, isn't it.

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Yeah, so I think it's important
to maybe clarify some stuff here for for

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people who are watching or listening.
You know, we hear a lot of

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times, you know, arguments from
you know, kind of radicals on the

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other side that they'll say, well, you know, as a Christian,

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aren't you supposed to be tolerant?
And you know they think that that what

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that means is that, you know, that love looks like just accepting everybody

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else's position that the scriptures never really
teach Christians to be tolerant based upon the

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world's current definition of the word tolerance. We are called to love what is

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good and to hate what is evil. That is the Biblical way forward.

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And so, yes, we love
people. We accept them where they are.

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We we embrace them, we invite
them in there, you know,

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we we reach out to them,
we become ambassadors a reconciliation to them.

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But that does not mean that we
accept, you know, false ideologies,

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or that we you know just just
you know, sort of affirm different beliefs

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that they might have that are contrary
to the word of God. We love

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the good, we hate the evil. We resist the evil in this way,

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and we can do that with open
arms, you know, as we

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love the sinner so to speak,
and hate the secretly. Well, we're

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talking with Lucas Miles's new book,
Well Jesus the False Messiah Destroying Christianity.

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Uh, you know, in the
same context. Look, as you point

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out, it's like people will say, well, isn't your God merciful?

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But you have to understand mercy travels
to me, it travels in a circle.

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You know, it doesn't begin and
end at mercy. You have to

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follow the dynamic of what mercy represents
to really even to begin to understand.

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And I'm not claiming to understand the
fullness of God. I am like you.

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I'm pursuing it moment to moment.
But more and more as I understand,

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I can appreciate that God's mercies.
Yes, knew every morning, but

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they go the complete circle that involves
you know, there is a time in

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order for mercy to be understood that
there needs to be judgment. You can't

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have you can't have mercy without judgment, can you? Yeah, you know

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all right, there's a passage that
that, you know, you remind me

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of where it tells us to run
boldly into the throne room of mercy to

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find grace in our time of need. And so you know this, I

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think a lot of people don't understand
the breakdown there. So what is my

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time of need? You know,
my time of need is not just after

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I sin. My time of need
is when I'm in the midst of a

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struggle. And so I'm running boldly
into this throne room of God in order

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to find mercy. I'm I'm in, I'm this throne room of mercy to

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find grace. And so the throne
room of mercy is God's you know,

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He's not giving me what I deserve, He's not punishing me for where I'm

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at, But his grace is his
ability to be able to overcome. And

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even that passage and of itself,
it reminds us that there is a standard

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that we are called to live in. There is there is a right and

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a wrong, and so much of
the world we see just denying that right

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now, if that if that weren't
true, then we wouldn't see verses like

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this calling us to seek out God's
grace when we need it in order to

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be able to overcome it would just
just be do whatever you want, God'll

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love you anyways. You don't see
language like that in the Bible. Well,

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but that's what you hear out there
in the culture. And I'm so

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glad you said that, is that
we're looking for mercy when it's almost like

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it's too late, you know,
which you know, and I say that

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just in human terms, but it's
like, wait a minute, Mercy is

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there even as you as you're beginning
to be tempted. And when you think

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about that and you see mercy at
that moment of temptation, that changes the

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dynamic altogether, doesn't it. Yeah, you know, you look at Titus

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two eleven and twelve. It says
it says, for the grace of God

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has appeared to teach us to say
no to one godliness and worldly lust,

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and it goes on, and so
you know that it is specifically that God's

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grace is equipping us to say no
to worldly lust. What we're hearing from

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the Christian left is that, you
know, God's grace is there to affirm

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all these different lifestyles and lust that
you have that's not what the Bible teaches.

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It teaches that God's grace, his
forgiveness, is mercy, his empowerment,

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you know, in our weakness.
It comes into our life actually to

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equip us to be able to say
no to the things of the world that

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the enemy is trying to tempt us
with, so that we can overcome and

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we can live, you know,
rightly, we can live righteous, holy,

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you know, in line with God's
ways. You know, you were

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just talking about your devotion. This
morning. I was reading again about David

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and bringing the Arc into Jerusalem,
and it always it kind of bothered me

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when and I've been reading this,
and I've read this for years, you

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know, at the time when they
were first trying to bring you know,

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the arc in and Uza reached out
and touched the arc right and and he

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boomed. He's dead instantly. And
and the thing is, if you just

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look at it and you think,
whoa you know, and he understood.

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This was bewildering, you know,
for David, because he's a man after

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God's own heart, and he had
to really think about it. And it

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wasn't something that happened overnight. It
was several months down the road. That

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he began to apprehend what had happened, why Uza died, and and why

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God judged Usa like that, It
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And this is what we need to
appreciate, is that even in this era

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of grace that we've been comforted by
and lived in, uh, we by

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no means should take you know,
take advantage of it. And I got

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to tell you, I think that
there's been that, you know, that

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spirit of accommodation and redefinition of who
God is. And I think that when

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we ignore and fail to appreciate the
holiness of God, we're really running into

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a lot of trouble, there,
aren't we. Yeah, I think that

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you know, the church in many
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I think that there are I should
say this, so, I think there's

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many in the church who have lost
sight of that. And certainly, you

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know, these woke denominations. I
mean we're just seeing you know, denominations

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and church groups that are just you
know, being ravished over this, that

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are dividing that are I mean,
uh, you know, falling apart,

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you know over over you know,
really disagreements over primary doctrines. These are

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not secondary issues. These are not
things that it's okay to debate back and

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forth. And you might think this
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but we're still you know, can
follow Jesus together. These are primary

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issues of the faith. The Lord, the lordship of Jesus, the holiness

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of God, the depravity of man, the existence of heaven and hell,

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the return of Jesus are these are
major major conversations. And to see so

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many people who are walking away from
this, there is a great deception that's

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happening right now. Whether or not
this is the end times or just the

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times that we're living in, I
don't know. But what I do know

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is the Church that we have to
prepare our hearts for this. We really

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have to come back to the word. We have to establish ourselves. We

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have to put on the full armor
of God, you know, so that

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we can really stand up during the
season that we're in and really remain steadfast.

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Well like the brothers Issachar who were
students of the times. Look as

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I believe that's where we are,
you know, disappointed time that we have

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where God has put us in this
position to where we can speak the truth

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that we can, you know,
like we know in part we prophesy in

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part we're not claiming this of our
own. This is what the Holy Spirit

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is leading us to say, and
we're speaking boldly at the same time with

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some sense of God. You've placed
us here on how ground. Please don't

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let us be an USA. We
don't want to do something that defiles you

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in any way. Because when we
understand the holiness of God and what's before

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us, I mean, wow,
I mean there is joy in front of

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us that we can't even imagine.
But all we have to do is make

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that choice, make the right choice, come into alignment with God, and

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understanding as we set the very beginning
that God is a forgiving God. He

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is, that he is that father
that's looking on the horizon waiting for his

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loved ones to come, you know, running, and that he's going to

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run after them. Right. Absolutely, Look, God is, He is

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love and this is the you know, the one place that scripture really defines

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him is that it doesn't mean that
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a righteous God, or not a
holy God. He is, of course

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all of those things, yes,
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that he is a God of love. But love is made up of really

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two things. It's made up of
grace and truth. And we see in

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the Bible tells us that Jesus that
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that Jesus came through grace and truth. So with believers, we have to

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hold both of those things in place. If we if we are just preaching

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a message that's grace, that's a
concept of grace only, but no truth,

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we are not preaching the fullness of
the Gospel. If we're just preaching

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a bigoted, legalistic message that's all
truth but no love, we're not preaching

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the gospel we need. We need
a gospel that is one one hundred percent

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grace and one hundred percent truth being
extended to man as as we become ambassadors

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of God's you know, reconciliatory you
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way that that gets demonstrated is living
it out. We can't put it all

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on the pastors to say, oh, well, you know this is your

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No, wait a minute, that's
not the way it works. It is

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on an end of it, we
are self responsible. It's not like all

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of a sudden, you know,
God's gonna judge Lucas from my sins.

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That's not it works, right,
Yeah, I mean, look, this

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is this is exactly what we see
from you know, those maybe in the

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Cristical theory camp. They're they're proposing
this idea that you know, you know,

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we should be judged for the sins
of our ancestors, we should pay

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reparations for the sins of our ancestors. That's not what the Bible says.

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The Bible says that let the sin
be on the man, let it not

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be honest, you know, children, Let the sin of the children be

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upon the children, and not judge
people according to you know, somebody else's

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sin. In our life, we
each have to stand before the judgment,

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see to the Lord, and really
kneel before the judgment, see to the

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Lord. And I think that this
is something that should sober us up.

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We should think about our lives in
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it's not a reason to live in
fear and the sense that you're afraid of

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God. But we do revere him, we honor him. We treat our

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lives in such a way that our
actions are meaningful, they're intentional as we

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seek to really live out in obedience, you know, the call that He

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has on our life, well,
our heart is what you're hearing is grace

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and truth. We want you to
know that you're loved. You're loved because

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God loves you in a way that
Lucas and I, no matter how much

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love we could muster together, could
not even come close and match up to

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God's love. And that's what He
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thirty two. Hey, welcome back. We're talking with Lucas Miles, trusted

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voice in the American Church who has
consistently addressed some of the most challenging topics

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in religions. Provocative new book,
Woke Jesus, the False Messiah Destroying Christianity

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outlines how the radical left wing is
co opting Jesus for their own anti religious

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views and provides a call to action
for Christians to resist the sirens song of

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social justice and wokeism. Miles,
How was it that the leftist movement was

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able to encroach not only the church, but you know, gain residence within

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the church. Yeah. Absolutely.
Now, this I think the question that

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is very important to address because until
we see the origins, until we know

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where this came from, it becomes
very hard to refute it. You know,

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in my book, I do a
deep dive of really going back all

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the way to the seventeen hundreds and
kind of working my way forward, really

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trying to provide a definitive history of
the evolution of wokeism within Christian thought.

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You know, I go back.
I touch on things like the influence of

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Constant hegel As as really leading philosophers
in Germany in the post Enlightenment period.

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We look at the impact of Karl
Marx and this rise and Marxism and socialist

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thought that really began shaping the social
gospel in America, and ultimately it uh

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found an inroad in the church,
initially through what we came known as liberation

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theology and the Catholic Church with the
Latin priest named gautierres Then it jumped to

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America um in in the form of
Black Liberation theology through the writings of James

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Khne and this really kind of you
know, set the framework in the stage

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for things like crt um social justice
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to really kind of evolve into what
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that's not that's not enough. It's
gone further to you know, the critical

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queer theory and you know, really
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emerging out of this. We're seeing
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So there's a lot of things that
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But along the way, the church
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pot, not recognizing really that the
water of wokeism is being turned up,

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you know, really full blast beneath
it. Luca's like anything that is of

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man, it starts out in such
a way where there's you know, maybe

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some thought and some consideration and maybe
validity. But unfortunately, as man continues

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to grab a hold of it and
take it further from God. Well,

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you know, the Bible tells us
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go of God, well let's let's
put it in Biblical terms, the fear

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of wisdom is the beginning of knowledge, right, So the opposite is true.

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If you have no fear of God, then you have no wisdom.

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And so it seems that as the
processes of these thoughts over the centuries,

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you know, evolve your further and
further away from God to where you know.

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I wonder, at the very beginning, if somebody you know had an

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idea, I thought, okay,
I want to draw closer to God.

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But along the way it got aberated
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I you know, I wasn't there
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know the nature of man to think
that here's people who maybe you know,

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had maybe a God idea, but
somehow it got it got hijacked and counterfeited

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along the way. What do I
mean? Look, this is you're absolutely

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right. I mean, I'm actually
following a story right now out of Kenya

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in East Africa, where there was
a cult leader that was responsible for the

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death of about one hundred and ten
people, you know, kind of the

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starvation you know, cult in time
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the parliament there is responding basically saying, we never want to see this happening

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Kenya again, which of course none
of us do. But they're responding by

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putting pressure on the churches and basically
where the government is starting to oversee some

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of the ordination process for pastors and
certain requirements for them to be clergy.

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And this is not the way forward. They want to do the right thing

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by stopping cult leaders, but they're
doing this by usurping, you know,

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control over churches and really you know, stepping outside of the state's sovereignty into

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the realm of the church. And
so it's good intentions but bad execution.

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And so you know, my organization
is stepping in to try to you know,

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communicate some of these things about this. But but I just use as

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an example that that I think that
oftentimes, you know, tyranny starts because

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somebody wants to help control something so
that it never happens again. But over

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time that leads to more and more
you know, mandates and controls and everything

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else. Ultimately, this comes back
to a very simple level. We talked

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a lot about Genesis on our time
together already, is is this did God

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really say, you know, that
initial thing of of the serpent to the

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to the you know, to eve
it did God really say that? And

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that's where we're at today as we're
looking at this what critical theology is all

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about. It's about looking at the
word of God saying, well, did

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God really say this? Can we
really trust this passage as Pauling? You

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know, as Pauling's epistles? Are
those really reliable? Or is it just

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the Gospels here? And so when
you start getting to this deconstruction movement,

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that's starts tearing down everything that we
hold to is truth, you know,

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and just pushes more questions than it
gives answers. Well without a doubt,

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but you know, this is something
that God has been putting on my heart

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in this last year. Look as
and that is that you've got to return

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to first principles. But if you
don't know what first principles are, what

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are you returning to? But the
first principles are absolutely vital because that's how

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you write the ship, that's how
you you know, that is the standard

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to know that you're you know,
you're off course. I would dare say

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that these woke churches and denominations today
sadly have lost sight of those first principles

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because they don't have a standard to
measure against what they're doing right now in

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the harm they're doing to their constituents
and their sheep. Look, you're absolutely

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absolutely right, Bill. I had
somebody reached out to me on social media

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here this week and kind of hurled
an accusation on one of my platforms,

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and they said, okay, so
so your version of Christianity is the only

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way that's right. You have you
know, you you have perfect theology.

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And I would say to that is, I don't have perfect theology. In

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fact, I'm convinced that some of
what I believe is probably wrong. I

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just don't know which portions of what
it is. We're gonna all get to

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Heaven and God's going to clear up
some of that. But there are primary

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doctrines that are not something that we
can question and still call it Christianity.

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If you were to invite me and
say, hey, come over, I

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want to play some basketball with you
and shoot some hoops, and we get

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there and we're standing in a soccer
field and we're kicking around a black and

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white ball into a goal, you
know, we can we can call that

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something, but we can't call a
basketball because basketball has certain sets of rules.

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You dribble, you're on a wood
or a rubber court, you shoot

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a ball into a basket, you
know, you do that with your hands.

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That it's defined in that way.
Christianity is got two thousand years of

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precedent of church history. It's got
it's got historic witness, It's got five

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hundred years of patriot of sort of
patristic fathers within the church demonstrating the Gospel.

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It has, you know, thousands
of pages of scripture that we believe

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is in errands, you know,
authoritative word of God. It is well

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defined. And the major tenants of
the faith, the lordship of Jesus,

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Heaven, Hell, God's created order, marriage. You know, all these

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things are well established. Salvation by
grace through faith. You know, we

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could go on and on in heaven
and Hell and these are all established,

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and they are not something that we
as individuals have, just the luxury of

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just having to choose our own adventure
about what we want our theology to look

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like. Well, and I go
back and think about the apostles. Why

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would the apostles be martyred, why
would they die? Why would they allow

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themselves to be harpooned on stakes?
Finding Nero's driveway. Yeah. Yeah,

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this it's such a it's such a
powerful witness when you see how these people

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died. Why would they need to
die? If all roads lead to God?

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Why would they need to die?
If if Jesus's teachings you know,

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really and you know, affirmed and
included everybody, regardless of what they believed,

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you know, I mean this,
there would be no need they died

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because they believed that they were called
to be ministers of reconciliation, ambassadors for

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Christ, going out calling people out
of a kingdom of darkness into a kingdom

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of light. You know. The
early church father Irenaeus, he said this

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that essentially that the job of the
Christian is to create no new doctrine.

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And that's really what we're here for. We're here to just affirm the historic

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teachings of the faith, you know, as they are. We're rediscovering those,

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we can reaffirm those, but we
are not here to create new beliefs

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in twenty twenty three that contradict jesus
teachings. You know, I want to

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go back to the comment that you
shared with us about a tweet that came

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your way attacking you, saying that, oh, your way is the only

485
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:39.119
way and all that that that is
so naive in so many ways. And

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it really demonstrates how little you know
about God, because the more you learn

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about God, the more you understand
what you don't know. You know that,

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and that's the way it hits me. So when when somebody considers or

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even thinks for a moment that I'm
the be all or end all, Heaven

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help you, and you know,
because that's not in my heart, that's

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not what I'm professing. I'm in
this journey like you are, and I

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am in the pursuit of holiness,
in the pursuit of God. And He

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continues to show me different ways.
Right at the time when I think my

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ideology and theology is set, you
know, God says, you know,

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He'll he'll pose a question and and
I don't know about you, but God

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God sends a humor. Is he
likes three o'clock in the morning with me?

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And it doesn't matter. I gotta
tell you, Look at I could

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be in Hawaii three o'clock in the
morning, I'm in California, three o'clock

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I'm in I'm in Florida, Okay, in East Coast time. It's still

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three o'clock in the morning, you
know, and I'm gonna, you know,

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when I get to happen that.
I think that might be one of

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my first questions. Let's go,
what is it about three o'clock in the

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morning with you? But it gets
I guess he'll look. I think,

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yeah, you're absolutely right. I
mean, look, I love the story

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of Ezekiel, where when the Lord
really reveals himself to him, he sped

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about seven days just on the shore
of the of the river, you know,

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just basically not moving in awe of
what he just saw. And I

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think his believers we should all have
that sense of all on wonder, you

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know, when we see the Lord
revealed, when we when we even look

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at his word, that there's so
much still to learn and to know,

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there's so many layers to uncover.
But those layers should never contradict the things

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that we do know, you know, we're not We're not revealing new things

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so that, you know, to
replace the old things. We're recognizing that

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that God's depth in his insight is
greater and greater. It's infinite. But

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that's not too too you know.
But he never changes. He's the same

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yesterday, today, and forever.
And so there's so much you know,

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imbalance that's out there in the church
today, and so we really need to

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just come back to the word,
you know, stand strong on that and

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and really just ensure that we are
bolstering our faith to be able to resist

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these temptations we're facing. Well,
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I was thinking when you were saying
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your participation and your support of this
because my commitment remains the same, you

587
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know since uh you know, you
know, I don't know Lukas who if

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I told you the story, but
you know I've been in broadcasting for you

589
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know, in associated levels for about
fifty years. And I started as a

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program director and as a disc jockey
and in Los Angeles and then as things,

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uh as as things evolved, Uh
you know, I end up going

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going to Bible College, and uh, God said okay, and I was

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thinking he wanted me to go into
ministry, and uh it was like,

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no, we're gonna have you get
back behind the microphone again. And I

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go, well, God, wait
him at come on, you know we're

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talking. You know, in those
days, I was a juvenile. I'm

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playing records, I'm taking dedications,
you know, uh, just having fun

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being a juvenile. Uh. Now
you're gonna put me behind a microphone and

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let's talk about the things of God. And I said, Lord, you

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know, if if that's what you
want me to do, I'm hanging onto

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your garment all the way. And
uh and that and and also at that

602
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time, it was the idea that
whatever I committed to hold to a biblical

603
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worldview. You know, George Barnet
had come out with his book before then

604
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called Think, Think Like Jesus,
and it was life changing for me.

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Uh you know. And uh also
a Dell Tackett with focus on the family

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in that great series that they did, the Truth Project, and it really

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sealed the deal for me. So
it was quite a quite an evolution.

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And so that's a kind of you
know, where we are here, we

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are now fifteen years later, and
God says, Okay, it's time to

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time to do this, and this
is something that's been on my heart almost

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from day one. So we're really
blessed with the opportunity. I'm blessed that

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you're here participating and that we can
talk about your book and continue our relationships.

613
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So thank you for being free now
happy, happy to be here.

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Well, let's talk in your book. You know, it's interesting what the

615
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critical race theory all part of wokeism
and everything that's been happening in our culture

616
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today. I think it's interesting because
it goes back to what we were talking

617
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about earlier, against the the legitimate
versus the counterfeit. Yeah, you know,

618
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people are twisting themselves in all kinds
of pretzel logic based on a theory,

619
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abandoning, as you pointed out,
thousands of years of history, empirical

620
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evidence. We're going to let that
go for the sake of a theory.

621
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What is wrong with us? Yeah, you know, critical critical theory is

622
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um. It's really you know,
uh, this this essentially another word for

623
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for Marxism um. And and so
when you look at critical race theory,

624
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critical race theory was started by Marxist, you know, Richard Delgado, one

625
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of the early founders of critical race
theory. You know, he references sort

626
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of an early meeting that happened UM
where he says, this is sort of

627
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an odd place for a bunch of
Marxists to be together, you know,

628
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to talk about this. And so
I mean this is these are self proclaimed

629
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Marxists that are dealing with this.
And look, I'm not the only one

630
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that's addressed It's been a lot of
people in the Body of Christ as well

631
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as you know, other conservative thinkers
that have that have shared these ideas and

632
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really exposed this. But if you
do your homework, you will find that

633
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critical theory, critical race theory,
critical queer theory. It's basically it's Marxism.

634
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It's it's a pressor versus a press. Uh, It's it's all about

635
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dismantling the current framework in order to
you know, bring about some sort of

636
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revolution, some sort of utopia on
the other side. And so, you

637
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know, some more along the lines, Christians have been deceived by this and

638
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.199
we started embracing these things thinking that
well, this is how Christ would behave

639
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:27.599
we hear justifications, Well, Jesus
was a you know, he was a

640
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refugee, so he'd be for open
borders, you know, or or Jesus

641
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.880
you know, would promote socialism,
or Jesus would be double vaxed and you

642
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.599
know, triple masked and these sorts
of things, and you know, this

643
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is all just it's all really just
using the name of Jesus's propaganda to push

644
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Marxist ideology onto the body of Christ. And what's the goal of it.

645
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It divides the church instead of a
very great job of doing that. And

646
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this, you know, what it
once used to be the moral majority has

647
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now been divided over some of these
social issues, and it's really giving the

648
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left a stronger foothold in the polls, you know, to keep winning elections,

649
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.119
to keep pushing this really godless Marxist
agenda, you know, on to

650
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the American people. Exactly, it
is godless because that's the choice. They

651
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don't even have the courage to come
out and say, look, we have

652
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a new God for you. This
is your God. Okay, that other

653
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God, forget about him. This
is the new God, the woke God

654
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that will serve you. He is
the one that brought you out of bondage.

655
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He's the one that saved you.
He's the one that went to the

656
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cross. Oh really, yeah,
give me a break. And goes back

657
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to what that question that you said
that echoes through the millennia from the garden.

658
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Did God really say? You know
what God did say? Yeah,

659
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exactly exactly. He said a lot. Actually, you know, we got

660
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a couple of thousand pages worth,
and I think it's so important that we,

661
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you know, just really resist this. I mean, I just can't

662
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stress enough. I mean, I
wrote this book. It's so hard.

663
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There's I mean, there's five hundred
foot notes and woke Jesus, it's a

664
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lot of material. I read all
sorts of source material to kind of bring

665
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this together. And I think it's
just important that people need to get in

666
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there, and they need to you
know, you talked to her early on

667
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about this idea of studying the real
things so you're not fooled by the counterfeit,

668
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and I would I would make a
case that to some degree we have

669
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to study both. We have to
know what the real thing looks like,

670
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but we also have to know that
some of the other things that people are

671
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trying to pass by, because you
know, it's so confusing sometimes, you

672
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know, for somebody to try to
bring these things forward, they all the

673
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language, the the you know,
the definitions, and it's so subtle and

674
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it's very easy for people to be
to see if they don't know what they're

675
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looking for, and so you know, we have to go back to the

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Word of God, really wrap our
minds around the Gospel. And we also

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need to be you know, equipped
enough that we can dismantle some of these

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false ideologies. I referenced Iranais the
early church Father earlier in his book Against

679
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Heresies in the second century, he
was talking about gnosticism. This's early heresy

680
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that faced the Church, and he
said, the reason why the Church struggled

681
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to defeat is because they didn't understand
it fully. And we have that same

682
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thing happening today, because the Church
doesn't understand critical race theory, because we

683
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don't understand socialism and communism, because
I don't understand you know, critical theory,

684
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and these for ideologies people are advancing
and very easily through the doors of

685
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our congregations without any pushback because we
don't know what we're looking for. And

686
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that's why I say, who told
you? Yeah, exactly exactly, And

687
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that's what we need to be aware
of in this information age in which we

688
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.519
live in that even our government is
sensitive about misinformation and all that being and

689
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.360
propaganda that's out there. Well,
you know, but again we're going to

690
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.119
be accountable for ourselves and we need
to step up our game. You know,

691
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this, this life we live in
is a participation sport, and God

692
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.000
will hold us accountable, right,
I mean, He's given us all these

693
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talents and there will be that time
where he's gonna say, Lucas, hey,

694
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what did you do with that what
I gave you? Yeah? Yeah,

695
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yeah, so true, so true. I think that you know,

696
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we have to live with eternity of
mind and really see the end from the

697
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beginning. So it's there's never going
to be a communist utopia on planet Earth.

698
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It's not going to work. And
I would also say there's not going

699
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to be a conservative utopia on planet
that's not going to work either, fully

700
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the way that we wanted to.
We can push back evil, we can

701
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.519
resist these things, but really what
we're trying to do is we're trying to

702
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occupy until he comes. But he, when the Lord Jesus returns, he

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will establish a perfect, you know, society based upon righteousness here on this

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planet. Yeah, without a doubt. Let's address and one of your chapters

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you talk a theology of justice.
We've got several minutes, about three minutes

706
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left here, so I want I
want to address that and then also give

707
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you an opportunity to summarize these key
points as we wrap things up. Go

708
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.760
ahead, Yeah, yeah, So
you know theology of justice. I think

709
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that, you know, we have
to recognize that one of the criticisms of

710
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the we'll call it the Christian left
or the left in general, is that

711
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they feel that there's a lot of
injustices in this world. And to that

712
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.920
I would agree with them. There
are injustices in this world to a degree,

713
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you know, in the way we
understand it. But when you have

714
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a proper theology of justice, you
start seeing how this falls into play.

715
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So, first of all, the
Bible tells us that the rainfalls on the

716
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righteous and the unrighteous. We see
bad things happen to good people and bad

717
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.360
things happen to bad people. Well, you see good things happen to good

718
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.760
people and good things happen to bad
people. And this is part of living

719
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in a fallen world. But the
Bible establishes a couple of things upfront.

720
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First of all, establishes that God
is our creator, that he is really

721
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the one who's you know, created
this life. He is He is the

722
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author, the the you know,
alpha, and the Omega you know,

723
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of our existence, and it also
establishes this idea, the depravity of man.

724
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None of us deserve anything good.
You know, it's very important we

725
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recognize the moment I start thinking that, well this isn't I didn't deserve this

726
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.840
right, that I'm failing to understand
depravity, because depravity shows me that,

727
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.559
look, I deserve a lot worse
than what I'm getting. Actually, it's

728
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.519
only God's mercy that is sparing me
from actually getting what I deserve. I

729
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deserve an eternity in hell. If
I've committed one act against you know,

730
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a holy, righteous God, then
the just punishment of that is blood.

731
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It's the just punishment of that is
an eternity separated from him. And you

732
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might go, well, that sounds
a little harsh. The only reason you

733
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would think that's harsh is because you
don't understand the righteousness and holiness of God.

734
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When you understand that, then it
puts that punishment into place. But

735
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He's given us a way out,
and He's given us the way out,

736
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and that is by grace through faith
that we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

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And so, you know, a
good theology of justice leads us away.

738
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You know, from these false ideologies
and brings us back to God's righteousness

739
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and his standard. In the end, he will be the one to set

740
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the record straight and to bring justice
on planet Earth because he's the only one

741
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that can redeem us. He's the
only one that knows because he's a just

742
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a holy and loving God. I
mean that, really, you know,

743
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.719
it should take a lot of pressure
off people's shoulders because what you're trying to

744
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:49.400
do is manufacture within your own humanity, your own theology. Well, actually

745
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.559
it's it's it's not theology, because
you really left God, haven't you.

746
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.079
Yeah, exactly, You've left him
out of the equation. I think that's

747
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.039
what's happening a lot of times today. Well, Lucas, I cannot thank

748
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.800
you enough. You are such a
blessing, you know, to the church

749
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.559
and to even the many more that
need to hear this message and be blessed

750
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by it and come and join the
Family of God and enjoy a life as

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00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:20.239
best it can be this side of
heaven. And this is just a warm

752
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.559
up because, as my good friend
Tony Kem Pollo would say, Hey,

753
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.480
the party's getting ready and we're gonna
have a great party when we come into

754
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.719
the presence of Jesus. It's gonna
be a fun time in it. That's

755
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.599
awesome, that's awesome. I agree. Well, where can they go to

756
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.599
be in touch? And uh yeah
yeah, head over to Lucasmiles dot org.

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00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.760
Of course, my book Woke Jesus. It's available wherever books are sold,

758
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:43.960
you know, Amazon, Barnes and
Noble, or you can get them

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00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.440
on my own website at Lucasmiles dot
org. Also, for pastors out there,

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00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.960
I want to encourage you to visit
American Pastor Project dot org. We're

761
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:59.360
calling pastors to stand for orthodoxy,
Christian Orthodoxy, historic Christianity from the pulpit

762
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.960
and zis Wokeism in the American pulpit. And so check that out as well.

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Lucas Miles, thank you, Thank
you for having me, Bill appreciated.

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God bless you for more information.
To be a part of this mighty

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Martinez movement and to return to God
and to save our country, go to

766
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Bill Martinez Show dot com. Hey, God bless you and keep you and

767
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make His face shine upon you.
Go and be blessed beyond your imagination.

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Thanks for being with us. Take
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