Who is Tucker Carlson And, How Did He Become Who He Is Today?

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FOURCY Radio. Well, welcome to
the Bill Martini Show. Great to have

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you with us. We're going to
be talking at Tucker Carlson with the author

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Chadwick Moore, who has granted unprecedented
access to Tucker Carlson's professional and personal life,

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and in this book, readers are
going to see and read about the

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Tucker behind the scenes, up close
and personal, based on hundreds of hours

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of interviews with Tucker, his family, colleagues, acquaintances, and enemies alike.

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Tucker offers an inside look. That's
the name of the book, Tucker,

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an inside look into one of the
most beloved and polarizing media figures of

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our time. For six years,
Tucker Carlson has been more than just must

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viewing for millions. He's been a
nightly guiding light, you might say.

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Chadwick Moore, welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

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Hey, thank you for having me. Great to be here. Well,

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let's talk about how it all began. I mean, it all started with

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an interview. Well, actually it
started with an article that you had written

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that had caught the interests of Tucker, and he invited you on the show.

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And you're kind of wondering, Okay, why does he want to talk

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to me? Well, yeah,
that was February twenty seventeen, and an

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article I wrote it caused attention,
and I didn't, you know, I

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kind of I knew who he was. I didn't really pay much attention to

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him. I just, you know, kind of knew him as an with

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the bow tie on CNN or whatever, you know, like most people did.

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And he had just gotten his show
at Fox not too long before that,

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and that was my first time on
his show, and then I had

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been that. I was a regular
on the show for basically the entire run.

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Weirdly enough, on the last episode
of the show, which was April

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twenty first, which of course none
of us knew would be the last episode

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exactly exactly. So as you started
out, and you're you're wondering, Okay,

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where's this guy coming from? Does
he realize who I am, what

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my background is all about? Because
after all, I mean, you're going

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into the Fox building known for conservatism, and you had some you know,

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preconceived notions of what you thought conservatives
and what you might be met with at

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Fox News, right, write that
article that originally got his attention was my

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coming out of the closet as more
conservative, as not a Democrat and not

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left leaning. And you know,
as a I'm a journalist who lives in

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New York City, and uh and
I'd always written for liberal magazines. My

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entire world was liberal and liberalism.
And I had just finally had enough watching

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the Trump derangement syndrome unfolding after the
inauguration. And that's when I wrote that

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article of the post. I was
in the New York Post, and and

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that's what caused attention. And you
know what I would come to understand and

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and and also you know, acknowledging
the book is that that was sort of

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it became a staple on Tucker's Show, the sort of disaffected liberal, the

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person who uh, you know,
and not even not even just liberals.

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I guess anyone who sort of stands
up what they believe in, who goes

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against the mob, and you know, maybe doesn't mine, doesn't care about

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the consequences as long as they can
say what they think. Whenever anyone sort

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of publicly came out against the left
or stood up against their their own side,

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they always had a home on Tucker
Show. They always had a slot

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the next night. Yeah, that's
very much the sort of person. You

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know, he is, that sort
of the person I think that he respects.

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He respects that a lot in people
now he at least from my observation

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in observing him over the years,
Uh, he is a man of integrity

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and believes in that and and wants
people and I guess it admires people who

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you know, believe in what they
believe in. I mean understanding that some

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of this is is a process,
Chadwick. I you know, we all

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go through processes and understanding who we
are and why we're here. We're all

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asking that same question. And uh, here you are as uh as someone

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as you say, you know,
you came, you came out, you

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wrote an article coming out of the
Closet, Uh, feeling like, okay,

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you needed to speak the truth and
really in in that article, did

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you realize you were going to liberate
so many other people who were bound up

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and not as free. No,
I didn't at all. I mean,

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I was totally shocked by the response
to it. I thought I didn't think

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anyone would read it. I just
kind of did it for a peace of

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mind, you know. Uh and
uh and uh, I literally thought I

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just wanted it to be out there, like if anyone even cares, I

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don't want them to think I'm a
part of this cult just because of who

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I am and where I work and
et cetera. And uh And to my

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to my surprise, you know,
it totally went viral. And I you

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know, and I guess I influenced
a ton of people. A lot of

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kind of conservative influencers now who are
really popular online have told me that they

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came out of the closet after reading
that article. You know, that was

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kind of amazing. So it had
it had a chain effect and and and

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that was pretty cool. Uh.
And you know, and and as you

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were saying before about Tucker and integrity. Yeah, that's something that he said

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before. You know, he said, you can believe the earth is flat,

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for example, but if you believe
that, if you totally believe that,

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then I respect you for believing it. Uh. You know, people

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that he really can't stand the most
is sort of party line hacks who just

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tell them what to say and tell
them what to think and repeat talking for

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which is basically the entire media establishment
in a nutshell. Not to mention much

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of the both the both the two
parties, well well the Dellies has said

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is that they end up surrendering their
intellect and they listen to what they're supposed

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to say, and you know,
they're told to walk a certain way,

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talk a certain way, and if
you conform, I guess you're in the

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club. You know, if you're
on the Beltway, then you get to

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go to the cocktail parties. But
as soon as you get out of step,

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then you're canceled and maligned. And
you know, a little bit of

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that happened to you because people who
once supported you, once you you came

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out and you genuinely expressed who you
were and that you know that you were

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integris to your cause and to who
you were, and as many people as

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it encouraged and in bold and liberated, there were others that just would have

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nothing to do with it, including
the people that you worked for. Yeah,

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I was fired by my job the
day after I went on Tucker's show

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that first time, and then I
was fired from all the other places I

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was freelancing for. I don't know
that's secondly fired, But I was,

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you know, no longer welcome to
write. They weren't. They weren't inviting

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you to the reindeer games exactly.
I was no longer I wasn't invited to

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the cocktail parties anymore. And I
think you're right that you know a lot

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of it so much is that social
aspect. That's why so many people,

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I mean, it's it's sad,
empathetic, and it's so callow. But

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what what does keep so many people
in line is that sort of social pressure

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and and that fear of not being
invited to the cocktail parties, like you

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said, not being in the in
the in the popular kids club, even

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though it's a stupid club and it's
and I would and who would want to

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be part of that club? And
you know the same thing happened to Tucker

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when he became more hardline on his
beliefs on his Fox News show. He

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became a class trader. Uh.
He this world in Washington, d C.

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That he operated in for his entire
life, living in the same neighborhood

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as doctor Faucis, as Hunter Biden, as a bunch of these people.

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He was always welcome until Trump came
along, and he became a sort of

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of as one liberal called him,
the high priest of trump Is on,

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which I think as an insult,
but I don't know if that's an insult.

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Exactly. As soon as he sort
of became that, you know,

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he was totally rejected, you know. And and then eventually I had had

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a lead DC where he spent his
entire adult life because he was a class

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trainer. And also course sort of
the same story with Trump himself, who

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came from this kind of donor class
of both liberal, both Democrat and Republicans.

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But as soon as you ran for
president as a Republican and started saying

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things that the establishment didn't like,
he was also expelled from from polite society

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exactly. Chadwick, I, you
know, my perception of Tucker wasn't that

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he was, you know, a
Trumpian. You know, I thought he

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called it the way he saw it, and he was consistent in that in

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that vein. I if somebody asked
me, in fact, I think somebody

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did ask me if I thought Tucker
Carlson was pro Trump, and I said

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not, not in the meaning to
which you're suggesting. I think that the

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policies and you could break them down. It wasn't one hundred percent, just

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like for me, it wasn't one
hundred percent all Trump all the time.

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But there were many good things that
Donald Trump did for our country, and

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I think he exampled, you know, for the ruling class, the possibility

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of a more perfect union, if
I might put it in those terms.

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Yeah, it's a great observation.
And I noticed the same thing even before

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I started working on this book,
which was like a year and a half

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ago, and we started on the
book. But Tucker was he He never

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he never kissed the throne of Trump, like a lot of people on his

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network did kiss the throne, and
then now they're not because the network's you

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know, no longer in that direction. I could take of one host in

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particular, but Tucker never kissed the
throne, and he always seemed to like

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on a show. He almost at
least for several years, he would never

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talk about Trump. You'd always talk
about the things happening around Trump, and

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he could tell that he was a
big fan of trump Ism, but he

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wanted to get like, you know, he'd loved, you know, essentially

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how Trump exposed the establishment. He
liked a lot of of policies, as

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you said, but he didn't want
to, you know, appear like here's

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worshiping. And he knew the man
was faulted. And and he has plenty

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of criticisms about Trump, you know, and he differentiates between Trump the manager

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and leader and Trump the man and
the human being the latter. He definitely

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really likes Trump the guy. You
know. I asked him extensively about what

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he thinks about Trump and his personal
experiences of Trump. You know, what's

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it like to have dinner with Donald
Trump for the book? And he had

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gave some great stories, but he
certainly it's a it's a good observation that

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not a lot of people picked up
on that. He that he certainly did

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keep him at an arm's length,
right, And yeah, well, we're

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talking with Chadwick Moore. He's the
author of the new book Tucker. This

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book you get some insight and who
Tucker Carlson is. How did he become

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who he is today? Chadwick explain, how, you know, you've been

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writing this book for a year and
a half and you've had unprecedented access into

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you know, Tucker the man,
his background, his family and that.

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How did that come about? You
know obviously, I mean you've been on

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the show as a regular and you
began to connect with him and have a

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bit of a relationship, a friendship
with him. Yeah, he so,

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he never it wasn't his idea.
You know, my publisher reached out to

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me and said, we want to
do a book on Tucker Carlson and we

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want you to write it. And
I was really flattered and honor, but

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wasn't sure if Tucker'd be into it. And I called him up, and

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you know, we'd communicated before,
but you know, we hadn't spent any

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personal time together. Like he would
kind of text me out of the blues

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sometimes, which is very unusual for
a cable news host, text me about

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something that he saw that I read, and I'm like, you know,

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and then oh, by the way, this is Tucker. And I'm like,

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whoa, you know, right,
look, you're texting Why are you

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texting me? I'm just some guy
who comes on your so for ninety seconds,

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you know, once every two weeks
or something. But so I had

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his phone number and because of that, and I, uh so I reached

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out to him. And you know, at first, he he said,

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he said, oh, you know, I don't like that kind of attention.

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I'm really boring. I'm really uninteresting, which of course I knew was

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not the case. Uh and and
uh and and then he you know,

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he said, I said, yeah, it's probably not a good idea.

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You're right. And then he sort
of was like, wait, I've read

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a bunch of your columns, and
he started gaming off columns of mind that

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he read it, and he remembered
I didn't even know he read my stuff,

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and and he he was like,
you're a really good writer, and

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yeah, let's do it. Why
not? And so from then we were

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we were off. And he never
asked to read a word of the book.

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He never asked what was going to
go into it. He just made

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himself available. You know, I
had total editorial independence and control, and

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he made himself totally available, welcomed
me into his life and his world,

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introduced with his father and his wife
and and other important people in his life.

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And uh, you know, it's
a great honor and and great responsibility

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that that he gave to me.
Yeah, and little did you know in

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writing this book that the Danue mont
of the book would be his, if

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you want to call it firing from
Fox. Yeah, we were basically done

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with the book. And in fact, that week I had my last call

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scheduled with him to just I had
like five tidy up questions asking I get

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this riot, can you you know, elaborate on this more? And then

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of course this happened, and then
we pushed back publication. I interviewed him

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a few more times, added a
couple of new chapters, updated make sure

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everything was relevant. But in a
way, you know, it occurred to

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me after the shock settled in of
him being so unceremoniously removed, you know,

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it curred to me that this is
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a Tucker cross an origin story.
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or became number one in the ratings, et cetera. It's you know,

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the origin story ended on April twenty
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you know, it's a book that
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right, and it ends with the
new beginning. You know, now we're

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going to see what the world has
in store for Tucker Carlson next, how

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he's going to change independent media.
It's it's the next chapter for him.

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Yeah, it's always interesting, Uh, in my reading, being a man

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of faith, I read the Word
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is said in God's word that the
end of the thing is better than the

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beginning. And I thought about that
in this sense with with Tucker and even

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in my own life that sometimes we
think the worst is when it's the end

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of something. But if you have
the presence of mine to think about,

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okay, well what's next, I
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it seems that Tucker has made that
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quite quickly in you know, setting
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it was Tucker on Twitter and the
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the millions, the multiple millions of
viewers that he had just ignited and went

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off the charts. Chadwick, Yeah, and he's I mean, he since

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sort of because I'm a figurehead for
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media and the fact that independent media
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is playing ketchup now, and the
mainstream media is having diminishingly small relevance,

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especially in this primary cycle for the
next race. I mean, everything is

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happening elsewhere, and Tucker's really the
face of that exactly. Well. I

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think it was interesting because I watched
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and O'Reilly, and I remember when
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there was all that controversy with Bill
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this is going to be interesting.
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know, fill that space. I
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I would say, compared to what
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vaguely, you know, vaguely interested
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know, awareness of him by comparison
of what I know now. But wow,

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I mean it took him very little
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to displace somebody that was so successful
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Oh it's so true, and and
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the corporate thinking of Fox that that
to them, that said that, well,

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it's it's the fact that it's the
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it's so popular, has nothing to
do with him, so we can get

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rid of him. It's fine,
we'll recover. Uh. You know,

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they figured that that was the power
of it. But you know what they

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failed to understand is that, you
know, Tucker Carlson very quickly became a

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political movement and his brand, if
you want to contract it, became one

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that was as big, if not
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lineup. Exactly. No, you're
exactly right, Chadwick. And I'm you

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know, I've been in marketing most
of my life and it's always been about

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the message. You know that if
the message is there and it's resonating,

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and Tucker had solidified himself, you
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Fox or you know bud Light or

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uh, you know, Target,
go down the list. These people do

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not understand the power of the brand. And you know, I know from

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experience you're talking. In order to
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three to five years and multiple millions
of dollars of investment to create a brand,

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and here it is. You know, Tucker was on Fox what for

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six years, so very well established, and they just they just threw it

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out the door, which is just
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for people who are in business,
you know, to make money, I

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mean, because the bottom line is
is that you know, Fox has to

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return an investment for in for its
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uh, it's unnecessary, right,
yeah, it's well, it also just

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goes to the point, I mean, he was taking off the air for

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ideological reasons. It's undeniable at this
point. You know, he's in no

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way in violation of contract. So
it just goes to show the point that

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agreed it was a total miscalculation.
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to control who has There's a lot
of people who would like to control who

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has that job of president the United
States. So theoked great lengths to do

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it, even if it looks like
they're shooting themselves in the foot. But

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they completely miscalculated their own relevance.
And they've always Fox has always thought of

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itself as indestructible and a total juggernaut, and you know that's been true for

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a long time, but a lot
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things over the years to really offend
its core audience. I mean exactly.

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The biggest one that stands out aside
from Tucker is twenty twenty Arizona, you

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know, calling that so early?
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that so many people left Fox after
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of people stuck around because they thought, well, Okay, I know Fox

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is a globalist, I know they're
against my interests, but they still have

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this guy Tucker on the air.
They can't be that bad. They still

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let him say these things. How
awful could they be now that they've done

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this to him. I mean,
millions of people have not returned. Tucker

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and Away was sort of not only
artificially propping up Fox News, but I

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think all of cable and part of
his appeal too, is he was this

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kind of bridge between the Internet and
cable. He was bringing cable to the

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Internet. He was trending night leaders
on Twitter and places as monologues were every

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single night he was out there,
and then he was getting his stories from

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things that people were talking about on
the Internet or everyone else on cable,

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including at Fox News. They got
all their stories from what was on the

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front page of New York Times that
day. Exactly. Yeah, it was.

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It was a controlled agency, There
was no doubt about it. Many

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suggested Chadwick that it was because as
we know, you know, you've got

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the holy trinity of Vanguard, black
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stock of these news agencies, and
that they were the ones in control of

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the narrative in the headlines, because
you'd find yourself whether you were, you

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know, watching Fox or CNN or
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very similar. Well, it gets
even more dark when you realize that State

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Street Capital owns Dominion voting systems and
the show being removed off the air was

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six days after the settlement with Dominion. Blackrock has a ten percent controlling interests

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in News Corp. State Treating Blackrock
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Yes, probably making the most money
on what's happening in Ukraine, and

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Tucker was the sole voice and cable
news to really question Ukraine exactly support,

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Yeah, exactly. I think when
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genesis of it, he was one
of the first, you know, that

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called it out to say, what
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What is America's gain out of this? But you know me, since

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you brought up Dominion, I got
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was greatly disappointed because I, along
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there were shenanigans that took place in
twenty twenty. We believe that whether it's

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Dominion or these other machines were somewhat
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Chadwick and I can still see it
to this day was when the CEO of

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Dominion was being questioned in a hearing
and a congressional hearing, and he got

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caught lying in saying that there was
no way the machines had any connection with

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the Internet until and I don't know
this could have been in the Senate.

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Maybe Ran Paul was the one that
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box here. This looks like a
modem, and a modem is what you

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need to connect to the Internet.
So how can you say that you didn't

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have any connection with the Internet.
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in which to do so. Yeah, I think I remember what you're talking

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about. And the Dominion settlement was
Fox had thought, from what I would

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told from sources at Fox at Fox
believe they actually would would win that lawsuit.

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The reason why they settled, and
it was like within I mean like

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minutes of them expecting to go to
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Murdoch to testify because he was of
a certain age and they thought it would

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have been an embarrassment to the company. Uh. And so that's why they

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settled so quickly. Now, you
know, it's it's what what my sources

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told me, and what has now
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in the New York in New York
magazine, right, was that it was

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a condition in the settlement with Dominion
to you know, pay us uh seven

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hundred and eighty seven million dollars and
get Tucker off the air. You know,

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Dominions denied this. They sent me
threatening letters for you just saying what

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what my sources told me. Fox
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know this is this was out there
even you know before my sources told me

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that and if that's the case,
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that were to be the case,
and again they denied it, that would

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be really frightening to say that.
You know what, like a a group

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of private equity managers are allowed to
control what voices we hear on our mainstream

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media, right They're they're allowed to
dictate what the national discourse should be over

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politics. That's really terrifying stuff,
Well, it really is. But again

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we're encouraged because the truth wins out. The truth always wins out. Because

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though they got rid of Tucker on
Fox, look what's happened. I mean,

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he's creating a whole new juggernaut of
a media empire that now he will

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have control of. It's kind of
like what O'Reilly said to him, he

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says, he says, out of
this experience and working for all these different

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news companies and everything over the years, I realize that I will never put

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myself in that position again. I
will be my own boss. And I

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think that that resonated with Tucker as
well in that conversation, is that he

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now sees more than the possibilities,
but the reality of what what he's on

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the verge of creating and how many
other voices that will be lent because of

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the coattails. I think that will
will travel alongside, you know, the

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same kind of ethos as Tucker Carlson. Yeah, and Tucker told me the

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same thing, as he's he's done
working for someone else. He's ready to

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be his own boss and his own
man. Of course, the problem is,

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you know, there's it's been reported
out there that he's currently raising money

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to start his own media companies.
And the last time he was he was

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fired from mcable News channel with CNN, and during that time he started The

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Daily Caller right with ne Able to
tell his college roommate. And so he's

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you know, the reports out there
that they're raising money for his own his

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own media adventure. The problem,
of course being, is that he's still

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under contract at Box and he's even
offered to Fox basically, you know,

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keep your money, just let me
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So not only was it worth seven
hun and eighty seven million dollars a

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dominion, but also to continue paying
Tucker his very large salary for him to

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not have a show. He's still
getting a paycheck every week. He's still

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employee of Fox News. That's how
important it is to whoever to keep him

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quiet. So he's you know,
restricted on what he's able to do right

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now. From what I understand,
the reason why he's on Twitter is because

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Fox didn't have the foresight to include
Twitter and their non compete. Why he's

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able to be there. But even
though, again the truth always finds a

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way to get exposed, to come
out, right, and just so happened

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that then, you know, who
could have predicted that Elon Musk would have

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taken over Twitter to make it,
you know, so exactly your placed.

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And then also Fox not including it
in the non compete, so there may

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have been you know, something something
at work there. Well that that had

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been interesting because even if they'd have
said Twitter and then it became X,

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well, the attorneys would have had
fun battling over that one, right right,

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It's now X, so it's uh. And plus on top of that,

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it's under you man, Jen Uh, this is this? How long

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is his quote unquote non compete in
play Chadwick December twenty twenty four, so

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one month after the election. Convenient, very convenient. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, So in getting to know
him and know more about the person of

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Tucker. What can you share with
us, you know, from your book

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Tucker about the man, Well,
he's you know, there's not a lot

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of or any really cable news hosts
I think you'd want to read a biography

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about, and you know, but
I always knew there's certainly not any,

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not many I'd want to write one
about. But I always knew Tucker was

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different, and I always knew that
he was, you know, very rich

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and interesting person. And I really
wanted to paint a three dimensional portrait of

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someone who so often is portrayed in
the most two dimensional way as just being

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this figurehead of comic book evil or
you know, or just reckless and conspiracy

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laden. But I want to tell
a story about a man, you know,

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who is this guy who's become so
important in our political discourse and is

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so beloved and so hated and so
feared by so many people in this country.

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I mean, just say the name. Some of the reasons why we

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just named the book Tucker. I
love that is because just that name,

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you know, go to a liberal
restaurant and just say Tucker. Conversation work

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around, you know. So,
But you know, I wanted to tell

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the story of who he is as
a man, as a human being.

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You know, where he came from, what what his life is like,

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you know what he's like off camera, and and and you know, just

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really sort of portray the human side. Uh. And and also tell the

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story of where he came from and
how he got to be where he is,

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and how I was thinking has evolved
over the years, and and you

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know what he's like deep down inside, right. Uh. Talk about Tucker

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as a family man, Well,
it's his family is for sure the most

410
00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.640
important thing in the world. And
his wife and his four children and Susie's

411
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.759
He and Susie, his wife,
met when they were in high school.

412
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.640
They started dating and they've been together
ever since they married. They both skipped

413
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:12.759
their college graduation to get married,
and they just eloped, neither tech because

414
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:17.759
you can't just skip it without the
other one. So that's good. Yeah.

415
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.160
When I talked to him Tucker's father, Dick, uh several months ago,

416
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.079
he didn't realize that his son never
graduated from college until he told him

417
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:27.559
that. And then he said,
well, I guess it didn't make any

418
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.880
difference to it. Like he never
I thought he got his degree, just

419
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.160
didn't go to graduation. No,
No, he never got his degree either,

420
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.559
although he's listed in the graduating class
for that year. Later on they

421
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.000
put him in the graduating class of
that year. He never actually technically graduated

422
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:47.240
or got his degree or anything.
Uh got three units to make up or

423
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.559
something, Go get your degree,
get it over with. Well he didn't.

424
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.480
So yeah, you know, and
one of the reasons why, you

425
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.240
know, some people constantly, a
lot of people ask, you know,

426
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.119
if he's gonna run for office,
run for president, and you know,

427
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.960
I would never see that happening.
I think the number one reason. There's

428
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.240
a few reasons, but the number
one reason is his family. Back to

429
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.200
original question, he would never put
his family, I think to that level

430
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.920
of scrutiny. I think that's why
the main reason why he would never win

431
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.720
for office. So he's you know, it's it's for sure the most important

432
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.240
thing in the world to him.
And he, you know, comes from

433
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:26.279
a long line of abandonment and dysfunction
in both sides of his family. And

434
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.839
you can tell that he's. Yeah, his his mother abandoned her family when

435
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.000
he was six years old. She
he never saw her again. She left,

436
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:37.599
she said, Motherhood's not for me. She wanted to be a sort

437
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:42.279
of art world groupie, kind of
hippie bohemian and she did that her whole

438
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.720
life. And he never saw her
again since he was six years old.

439
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.279
She died in twenty eleven. And
aside from that, his father, Dick,

440
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:56.359
was an orphan. His biological father
committed suicide. I document all this

441
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:57.319
stuff in the book, and you
know, talk to people who knew a

442
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.720
lot of these a lot of these
people. But his own father was an

443
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:06.319
orphan. And so you know,
Tucker, it seems gone through a great

444
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:11.319
effort to reset that lineage and and
and puts family first. And how about

445
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:18.039
Susie. She comes from a very
very nice family and her father was the

446
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.960
headmaster at the at the at the
boarding school whe they met, and uh,

447
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.279
her family is also very very close. The parents did not like Tucker.

448
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:27.920
In fact, they said that she
when they first started dating, you

449
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.200
know that Tucker cross some boys no
good, You need to break up with

450
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.960
him. She deceived them into thinking
they had broken up, but she kept

451
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.440
secretly dating him all through college and
then eventually broke the news that he had

452
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.920
proposed. Uh. Well, he
went to her parents of course, individually,

453
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.599
first as the gentleman should and asked
yeah, and then from then it

454
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.319
worked out in the end. So
it was like one of those guess who's

455
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:55.400
coming to dinner kind of moments.
Huh yeah, yeah. I talked to

456
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.720
a high school English teacher of Tucker's
who was a liberal and not a big

457
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.160
fan of Tucker cross And for the
book, and he was so surprised to

458
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.640
hear they were still together and had
four kids and were happily rare. He

459
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.480
said, that's Susie girl. She
was always too nice for Tucker. She

460
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:12.200
was always too sweet for him.
Isn't that the shame of some liberals?

461
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.359
They just can't appreciate other people's success
or even the fact that they could be

462
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.920
redeemed and they could be happy.
You know, this is the thing I

463
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.400
think that is so frustrating sometimes,
and I've shared that with my liberal friends

464
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.480
that I love dearly. Is that
what happened? You know? Is it

465
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.400
a sin to be happy in your
world or what you know? Well,

466
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.640
it is a sin to be happy
in their world. And I know this

467
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.279
because I used to be in that
world, and I understand. And they

468
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.559
were all miserable, you though,
they had every reason in the world to

469
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.319
be happy. Nice families, good
jobs, money, you know, but

470
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.440
they're always it is a sin because
when you live in that ethos of the

471
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.319
world is evil. You know,
the planet's boiling, everything's there's a question

472
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.079
everywhere. You don't deserve to be
happy, that's right. There's no time

473
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.279
for leisure when you have to save
the planet because everything is so wrong and

474
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.440
awful and it's you to do it. Thank God, Thank God for you

475
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:14.720
and your cape, right right.
Uh, this is you know, it

476
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.000
is comical. And this is what
I love about the study of humanity is

477
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.759
that nobody's perfect. We all have
a story to tell and uh, and

478
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.720
a lot of it is comedy,
you know. If you if you have

479
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.720
the sense of humor, do appreciate
it. Right, If you can't laugh

480
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:31.759
at yourself, what are you doing
on this planet? You know? And

481
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.920
that's another thing that liberals have a
hard time laughing at themselves as well.

482
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.960
Well. And the thing was so
sad when when liberals had taken over like

483
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.079
college campuses and comedians said, I'm
not going there, you know, right,

484
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.160
these these people don't have a sense
of humor. I mean, talk

485
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.880
about the wrong gospel, wrong church. I mean, you know, so

486
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.279
for you know, it was like, hey, we're boycotting you. No,

487
00:32:54.279 --> 00:33:00.079
no, we're boycotting you. You're
not You're not worth You're not worth

488
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.400
the energy that it takes for me
to expend my talent because you you just

489
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.519
don't appreciate it. And that's and
then that's okay. But I think that

490
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.720
we're starting to see a renewal on
some college campuses where uh, you know,

491
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.559
I think the majority of these kids
are saying, hey, why are

492
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.400
we being hijacked by such a small
minority of knuckleheads that don't have a sense

493
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:28.119
of humor? Yeah? Yes,
comedy is sort of the best example of

494
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.559
how that's going. I mean,
if you want to have the absolute worst

495
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.920
experience of your life, go to
like a transgender open mic comedy night,

496
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:42.200
Like, what's that? You're like, So, Joe, now you've added

497
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:47.000
something to my bucket list. A
transgender opened my Well, come here to

498
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:52.039
Brooklyn. There's plenty of them,
Okay, I made that. We're talking

499
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:57.400
with Chadwick Moore. He's the author
of the new book Tucker uh and uh

500
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.799
so much to understand, appreciate and
what what a privilege that must have been

501
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.599
for you to you know, be
able to get this close. One of

502
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.079
the things I would ask Tucker is
what were you thinking when you went and

503
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:13.320
accepted an invitation for dancing on the
Start dancing in the Start with the Stars.

504
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.079
He he said, you know,
it was the scariest thing he'd ever

505
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.639
done, and before that he'd been
to war zones. Uh. He said,

506
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.159
this is why I have to do
it, because it's terrifying and you

507
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.280
know, I have to uh face
my fear. Uh. And I think

508
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.719
his wife encouraged him as well.
It's funny because Tucker's executive producer, Justin

509
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.440
had said to me, uh,
you know, I if the world wasn't

510
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.760
as it is with you know,
politics being as they are and everybody toe

511
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.440
So he's like, Tucker would be
a game show host. Uh. He

512
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.360
has that personality, has that singular
talent that he can perform in that way

513
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.800
as well as he's an amazingly skilled
writer. You know, he didn't come

514
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.639
he didn't seek out television. He
kind of stumbled into it. He was

515
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.280
a writer and a literary man so
whole like that's what he wanted to do.

516
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.360
But then he summoned into television and
proved to be you know, uniquely

517
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.599
talented on air. Uh and and
as Justin's did to be like, yeah,

518
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.000
he'd be a game show host.
He could he could leave box into

519
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.360
a game show, he could do
this like that. He's that sort of

520
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.719
magnetism on camera. And I think
that showed I'm Dancing with the Stars too,

521
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.920
But of course the world was very
different back then. I don't think,

522
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.360
well, I don't think we'll see
Tucker Carlson on Dancing with the Stars

523
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.079
again anytime soon. No, I
don't think so they've gotten you know,

524
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:27.159
some of these liberal shows have tightened
up, I mean to such a point.

525
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.239
I think it was what the mass
singer or something one of the uh,

526
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:36.719
one of the hosts just walked out
because I can't remember who the conservative

527
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.480
was, but it was a conservative
talent, and he was just so insulted

528
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.159
that he couldn't have any part of
it and just walked out. It's like,

529
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.760
oh, come on, give me
a break, you know. So

530
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.199
so petty, uh so tell us
more about uh. You know, you

531
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.440
gave us an idea about Tucker's childhood. It must must have been rough.

532
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:05.239
And but then you know he meets
Susie and and a relationship that has been

533
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:10.119
long standing and you know, they
get married out of college. Tucker took

534
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.840
a little shortcut out of college.
Is now we understand. But and here

535
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:20.239
and how many children do they have? Four? Four? Well, okay,

536
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.559
so four kids. And you can
tell he's a family man. He

537
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:30.159
respects those wholesome bedrock building blocks of
a society that start with a strong family.

538
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:37.360
And and and he's consistent in promoting
that he is. And that's something

539
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:38.800
that I found, I think is
you know, a big takeaway about his

540
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.719
personality and who he is is he's
much more concerned with, than interested in

541
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:51.199
the big questions such as family,
spirituality, morality, beauty. Those are

542
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.119
things that really interesting, not necessarily
politics per se. And he sees those

543
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.039
things as you know, related to
politics, or maybe politics is downstream from

544
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.039
them, but those are He's not
one for political point scoring for a party

545
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.639
or a team. He's much rather
more interesting. He's much more interested in

546
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.719
those bigger in those in those bigger
questions, family and spirituality being two of

547
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.920
them. And and I think that's
probably a recent he's had a couple sort

548
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.519
of hard turns in his in his
evolution of thinking and his political beliefs.

549
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.159
You know, he used to be
a kind of Beltway neo conservative guy who

550
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.199
was very much for the Iraq War, et cetera. Uh, And it

551
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:34.880
took him going to Iraq to to
to really change his thinking on that and

552
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.880
realize that, in his words,
that neo conservatives are just liberals with guns.

553
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.880
Yeah, that got him thinking very
differently from the outside of the beltwayh

554
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.079
establishment. And then I think another
is is this more spiritual turn and in

555
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.400
seeing what's going on in this country
as a fight between good and evil,

556
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:58.039
which he increasingly, especially up until
his firing from Fox, began to talk

557
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.000
about publicly. You know, it
was it was good and evil that we

558
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.960
were a balingationed and I made a
lot of people at Fox very nervous,

559
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.639
I know. But I think that's
one of his other big turn in his

560
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.400
thinking. Well, I think as
we're trying to process what's going on in

561
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.639
our culture, Chadwick, we you
know, Yeah, I think you get

562
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.800
back to I believe in first principles, and I've been you know, promoting

563
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.800
that for a long time on this
show. Is that, you know,

564
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.239
we've got to go back and realize
where did we make a wrong turn here?

565
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.239
Because when you consider the foundation the
foundational principles of this country is enumerated

566
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:42.079
in our Declaration of Independence, our
Constitution, you know, just wonderful documents,

567
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:47.480
and the infrastructure for success for a
democratic republic is right there. When

568
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.400
we violate those principles, that's what
gets us in trouble. And I think

569
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.840
that we've been down the road too
far where there's been so many violations it's

570
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.000
hard to get back, you know, to those first principles. But that's

571
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.679
why a leader, a true visionary, is so critical. And where I

572
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.440
have hope for this country is that
one will rise up in such a way

573
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:15.079
to galvanize the majority of Americans around
a vision that will say this is our

574
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.039
hope, this is what we need, this is how these are the choices

575
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.760
that we need to make in order
to get this country back on track.

576
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.960
And we've got to be honest about
this, you know, Like like you

577
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.199
said with Tucker, it took Tucker
going to Iraq to realize, WHOA,

578
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.199
there's a lot more to the story
here than it's being told. Just like

579
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.119
in the Beltwagh, there's a lot
to be said here. You know.

580
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.039
Donald Trump brought to mind and to
focus the idea of the deep state,

581
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.239
well you know, we talk about
it as being you know, I used

582
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.760
to talk about it as being the
fourth branch of our government until someone broke

583
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.800
it down and said, oh no, it's not four branches. It's actually

584
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:59.199
six, because there's three sub branches
within the deep state that involve you know,

585
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:06.239
the the administrative state nngos and of
course the intelligence community of the FBI,

586
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.000
CIA and that, and so you
know, I thought about that,

587
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.880
and I said, man, that
makes that does make a lot of sense.

588
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.599
But the fact of the matter is
is the deep state, as unelected

589
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:21.840
officials, are the driving force of
our democratic republic. Well, you know,

590
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.880
we we think we still have a
democratic republic, but as long as

591
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:30.960
the deep state is making decisions,
the democratic republic operation is compromised. Right.

592
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:36.320
Yeah. It's this permanent managerial class
to unelected bureaucrats that run everything.

593
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.559
I mean, the most astounding thing
is when you just look at their election

594
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.679
results for Washington d C from the
last two elections. I mean it went

595
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.199
Washington d C went like ninety four
percent for Biden, right, I mean

596
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:55.159
that's like twenty percent more than New
York City, San Francisco, Los Angeles,

597
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.159
Chicago. They all went for Biden
in the seventy percent. It's incredible.

598
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.280
But yeah, I mean, that's
who's really running this country, and

599
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:08.079
and Tucker is I think that he's
someone who's who's as I said earlier,

600
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.280
spent his whole life in that world. And they know the tagline for his

601
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.920
show was the sworn enemy of lying, composity, smugness, and group think,

602
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.320
and that anywhere it came from.
I think is inhabiting this world for

603
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.800
so long and being a creature of
it and realizing how destructive it was to

604
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.760
the rest of the country and the
people supposed to be representing, and how

605
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:30.880
much it's just this, this this
evil beast that only looks up for its

606
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.960
own survival and exists to ensure its
own survival, and it has nothing to

607
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.840
do with, you know, the
rest of the country at all. In

608
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:44.039
your meetings with his friends and getting
to know Tucker a lot more than you

609
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:49.280
did prior to writing the book,
what surprises did you come across? What

610
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:57.280
surprised you most? Well, he
doesn't work socks or deodorant. He hasn't

611
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.280
even vegetable since he was in high
school. He loves the grateful dead.

612
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.280
In the fact, he drove a
Volkswagen Band. When he was in college.

613
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.239
He was like a little hippie.
I love that stuff that was that's

614
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kind of like art, it said, surprising, no shocks, but we

615
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.199
love the grateful Dead. Okay,
all right, he's sort of like a

616
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.480
hippie on paper. And then and
yeah, yeah, I think there's a

617
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:27.039
lot of things surprising with I think
just you know, how he goes through

618
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:34.519
great He at least went through uh
great lengths to humble himself, to mind

619
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.480
him. One of my favorite things
he says in the book is, you

620
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.920
know, we were on our way
to the show one night to studio when

621
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.840
I was riding next to him in
his little golf cart and he was saying,

622
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:50.800
you know, my my job,
like the job is that I'm gone.

623
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.920
Like that's why that's the job of
the cable news news host. Is

624
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.159
I know I'm right, you're wrong. I'm here to tell you everything.

625
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.039
That's the job. But you know
I'm not God. You know, I'm

626
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.679
no different than any number of billions
of people who lived before me and will

627
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.840
surely come after me. And you
know, he goes he's always gone through

628
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.400
great lengths to sort of humble himself, and it really shows I mean he's

629
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.599
like the most approachable, nice person
you ever met. Even his greatest enemies

630
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.000
would admit if they met him in
person that he's actually, you know,

631
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.239
a nice guy. H And everyone
at the Fox building loved him as as

632
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.159
a human being. They disagree with
them politically, so you know, he

633
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:30.599
that also didn't come from anywhere.
I mean, he learned that from his

634
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.719
dad. You know, I tell
stories growing up because his dad was also

635
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.079
a journalist. His dad was also
on television, and you know, I

636
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.760
tell stories in the book about you
know, him witnessing that as a kid

637
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.039
and and the sort of things his
dad taught him about, you know,

638
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.159
not getting too big beer breeches and
leaving your own bs. And so the

639
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.079
media can do the media can do
that. What did his what did his

640
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:58.559
dad do on air? Uh?
So, he was a local anchor at

641
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:02.480
first in l a and then in
San Diego, and he started off doing

642
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:08.199
before that. He was an investigated
unit in San Francisco and in San Diego.

643
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:13.239
Actually he won an Emmy for he
did some great work. But one

644
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.559
of the things he did was he
won an Emmy for a thirty nine part

645
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.639
investigative series about the Dale I don't
know if any of your audience remembers us,

646
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.360
but the Dale maybe maybe when I
mentioned it, you might. The

647
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.519
Dale was a three wheeled automobile that
was proposed in the nineteen seventies during the

648
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.199
energy crisis, and it was sort
of like the Elizabeth Home scandal of the

649
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.400
time. So there was this three
wheeled automobile coming out that was gonna get

650
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.000
seventy miles to the gallon. It
was all the hype. The CEO was

651
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.280
the first female CEO of an automobile
company, so she was on the page

652
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.960
of every magazine you know. It
was. It was a feminist movement.

653
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.679
Blah blah blah. This car is
gonna save the world. Investors were pumping

654
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.760
millions and millions of dollars into this
car company. The car never got made.

655
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.559
They never even made a prototype.
Tucker his father, Dick, was

656
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.599
when he started exposing this and looking
into it because the company was based in

657
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.840
California, right, He also then
uncovered not only did he cover massive fraud

658
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:15.599
that resulted in dozens of indictments for
everyone affiliated with the car company, including

659
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.000
the CEO Elizabeth Carmichael was her name. He also revealed that the CEO Elizabeth

660
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:25.800
Carmichael was a man named Jerry I
think Jerry Carmichael was his name. Uh,

661
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:31.320
So he was born a man,
was transgender, and that wasn't maybe

662
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.760
at the time. So this this
was at a time when I mean this

663
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.880
was his breaking news. I mean, you know, before we could even

664
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.960
talk about it, right, Oh
yeah, I mean this was like huge

665
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.719
news and you know, apparently nobody
had an idea. And then also this

666
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.480
guy, the CEO, I mean, it wasn't just that he was transgender.

667
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.880
He was he was running a fraud
company, but he was also he

668
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:58.039
had several warrants out for his arrest. He'd been, you know, in

669
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.199
jail several times. He had like
ten kids by nine different women. You

670
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:06.519
know, he was I think he
was he was wanted on some federal counterfeiting

671
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.199
charges or whatever. Became a woman, disappeared, started this car company.

672
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.880
So it was really kind of amazing
journalism that Dick was doing. In one

673
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.880
a few a few emmans for it. Wow. And it was a thirty

674
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.320
nine part series. Yeah, yeah, thirty nine part investigative series for the

675
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:28.920
local news station down there. Well, I'm unbelievable. Well, we're down

676
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.639
to about the last three minutes here, Chadwick and I just want to kind

677
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:37.199
of give you some time to you
know, summarize the book, and uh,

678
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.840
to invite our viewers to get their
hands on Tucker, you know,

679
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.840
for those millions of people who have
been devotees of Tucker, those who have

680
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.960
been curious about Tucker, because you
know, for some Tucker can be a

681
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.679
bit of a curious subject, can'ty
Oh for sure. And he's also you

682
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.559
know, he's always been a kind
of like a rap skin, you know,

683
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.719
like a mistress, little scamp who
likes to rubble feathers and annoy people.

684
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.719
And you was like that as a
child, as I found out.

685
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.360
And we have some photographs in the
book, and one of them was Tucker's

686
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.559
a little boy is doing that like
Tucker face everyone knows now, which is

687
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:15.880
really funny to see. But if
you're interested in the book, you go

688
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.480
to Tucker the Book dot com.
You can find links there to buy it

689
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.519
at that website. You can also
buy direct from the publisher if that's what

690
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.920
you want to do. Otherwise,
it's available at Barnes and Noble Books,

691
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.599
a Million, Amazon, Walmart,
Sam's Club, any retailer. You can

692
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.800
try your local bookstore and ask them
to order it if you prefer that.

693
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.559
But anywhere you get your books,
really, Tucker the book dot Com is

694
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.159
where you go to get some more
information on her. Yeah, and here

695
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.360
it is. I mean, you
get the book and you get to have

696
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:49.079
a little bit more insight of who
Tucker Carlson is and and maybe even help

697
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.840
you realize how much you you know
and why you appreciate his giftings and talents,

698
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.559
right, Chadwick. Yeah, And
you know, people seem to be

699
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.519
loving it, which is a great
honor. You know, we've been on

700
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.719
the New York Times bestseller list for
a few weeks and people were picking it

701
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.320
up. They're really enjoying the book
and really love it. And that's great

702
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.360
to hear because I know he means
so much to a lot of people,

703
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.519
and exactly just hope we've done his
story justice in this book. And seems

704
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.599
like people are really getting snow aside
of him. They didn't they didn't before.

705
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.119
Yeah, without without a doubt.
And of course he's on this non

706
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:28.519
compete till you know, the end
of the election. Curious enough, but

707
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.079
yet you can't stop the truth.
And because of Elon Musk, because of

708
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:38.119
X and the success of Tucker's show. I think this is probably one of

709
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:45.920
those you know, regrettable uh,
you know, regrettable moves by by Fox.

710
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.079
Or maybe they're just so egotistic that
they don't even uh, they can't

711
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.519
even appreciate any kind of regret.
What do you think, Well, you're

712
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.000
right, you can't stop the truth, and people know when they're being lied

713
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.400
to, and they know when something's
a farce, and everyone's on the Fox,

714
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.679
everyone knows it. So good luck
to them. But I don't think

715
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.079
I don't see them prevailing. You
know, they'll always be around, I

716
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:12.880
guess, but with increasing irrelevance and
distrust. A year from now, where

717
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:19.360
do you see Tucker hopefully out of
his contract and doing well? You know,

718
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.440
I think people really miss I'm told
that when they are able to get

719
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.199
their their venture up the ground,
people are going to be seeing a lot

720
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.199
more Tucker than they ever did on
Fox. So that's good for his fans,

721
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.400
you know, I think people really
miss those nightly monologues, you know,

722
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.639
exactly, that daily dose of commentary
that only he could deliver so well

723
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.679
with that, So hopefully we'll be
seeing that again soon without a doubt.

724
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.079
Well, Chadwick Moore. We thank
you, appreciate the time. Great great

725
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.199
job on the book and telling Tucker's
story. You know for all of us

726
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.400
who are interested in this exceptional talent. Have a great day. Appreciate your

727
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.079
time, take care. Oh,
thank you so much. You got it

728
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.320
our thanks to Chadwick More he has
been our guest today. For more information

729
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.000
and to be a part of this
mighty movement to return to God and to

730
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.239
save our country, go to Bill
Martinez Show dot com. May God bless

731
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.119
you and keep you, and make
his face shine upon you. May He

732
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.519
be gracious unto you and give you
peace. Thank you so much for being

733
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:27.159
with us. Have a blessed day.