What is it like to be a victim of trafficking, particularly as a child?

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Well, hello and welcome. This
is Bill Martinez and we are live.

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Great to have you with us.
You know, there's been lots in

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this past year discussed regarding human trafficking
and sex trafficking. Certainly the open borders

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to our south have exacerbated the problem. Movies like the Sound of Freedom and

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the television series Found Is keeping it
up front. But yet there's still so

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much to understand and so many stories
to appreciate, and the damage that's being

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done to young women, also young
boys. And you know, we're going

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to be talking to my friend Andy
Berger here in just a moment. It

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is such an honor to have her
back with us. She is a sex

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trafficking victim herself, and if you
could ever imagine what it might be like

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to be a victim of trafficking,
particularly as a child. Right, she's

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a survivor. She describes her seventeen
year ordeal of what she's doing now to

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provide the love and support of young
people that they need to avoid and recover

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from sexual exploitation that she endured.
She's the founder and chair of the international

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nonprofit Voices Against Trafficking. Andy Burger, Welcome, Michelle. Good to have

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you with us. Well, thank
you, Bill, it's an honor to

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be with you. Well, Andy, this is such a personal story because

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it's it's your life. But because
it is so personal, it really gives

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you special standing and a place to
where we need to hear, as rough

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as it is to hear you know
what you endured and what others that you

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have been helping, you know,
get through this process. It's as some

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have said, you never get over
it. You just get through it.

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And it's getting through it is the
battle, isn't it. Yes, absolutely,

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and free survivors, and I do
mean for the survivors. Only one

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out of one hundred sex trafficking victims
usually survived, and so it is a

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process. It's a huge, huge
lifetime sentence that the predator has bestowed upon

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his or her victims. Exactly.
Well, Andy, you know, I

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was astounded at these numb but not
really surprised all that much. You know

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that human trafficking here in the United
States has become a thirteen billion dollar per

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year criminal enterprise. Thirteen billion dollars. Now, those are the kind of

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numbers that we're hearing that the windfall
profit has been for the cartels operating on

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both sides of the border here in
our country, and human trafficking is only

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part of their enterprise. But human
trafficking alone here in the United States,

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which which is kind of hard to
get our brain around to think, how

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can a love, freedom loving country
like America is like, what are we

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doing? Are we are we disillusioned
ourselves to where we're realizing. You know,

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as I've said before that the reason
of sexual sex trafficking is happening in

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America is because Americans have become consumers. Have said sex trafficking absolutely right on

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the notes, take about it any
other business bill. If there is no

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demand, there's no reason to supply
and if there's no supply, there's no

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profit, So why would anybody be
in a business like that. And yet

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here in the United States, I
can tell you it's probably been three years

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ago that there was a study of
our writers. I think it was hosted

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in the USA today a newspaper which
said that twenty five hundred actual requests for

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children by Americans at that time,
you know, to purchase children to do

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whatever they wanted to do with at
the border. We know through some of

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our partners that we work with down
there that just as little as a year

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and a half ago, kids were
being sold for thirty two to thirty five

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hundred dollars each at the border.
And then I could buy a child to

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do whatever they want with no and
of course, once they get into the

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system here across the border, as
was brought out quite clearly in the movie

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The Sound of Freedom, is that
what makes the so enticing for the cartels

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and those who who run this type
of enterprise is that you can sell a

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child, you know, ten fifteen
times a day, as opposed to selling

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drugs just one time. So it's
very advantageous and monetarily rewarding, I guess

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in that sense, isn't it.
It is? And globally, when you

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think about the global number bill,
we're looking at one hundred and sixty billion

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dollar enterprise. So when we allow
borders to be open, and ninety five

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billion of that is sex trafficking.
So let me back up for just a

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moment. America didn't create human trafficking. It's been around a long time,

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probably since the day you know,
the world was made. But Greco Roman

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era, all of that, there's
always been a trait of a human life

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for sex, for labor, or
some kind of debt repayment or debt reduction.

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That in America, as you said
so well earlier, we've become desensitized.

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And so here now we have three
choices. Do good, get involved,

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be a voice, do nothing,
which is as culpable as actually doing

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the deed, or to do the
evil itself. Where are as citizens you

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mentioned, if it can, let's
go back. You mentioned open borders in

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Europe. We've seen what's happening.
I mean, you're talking over one hundred

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billion dollar enterprise in Europe alone in
human trafficking. And is it your understanding

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and your research that tells you that
open borders helps helps accentuate this issue absolutely

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anytime you overwhelm a border in any
country. So let's talk about the US,

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because that's where we're at. We
are underprepared with border patrol, We

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are underprepared with leadership from the top
down in this country that says this is

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wrong. We're not going to do
this. We have to, you know,

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veet these people out by the system
that also profit. So think about

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once these kids come up over,
the ones that maybe get loose or get

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lost or somehow find their way into
foster care. Okay, Well, foster

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care agencies earn their money by the
number of kids they put in the system,

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so incentivizing these kids that are coming
over by the thousands okay, tens

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of thousands okay, that are unaccompanied
there is no real family member attached to

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them. The other business that we
don't talk about is the people that will

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show up and say, oh,
this is my niece, my nephew,

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my son, my daughter, and
then they get paid by foster care or

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whoever's taken as many kids, but
they don't follow up on those kids,

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and then those kids can then be
sold again, so cartels bring them over.

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But we in the US are not
doing our jobs are due diligence to

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make sure those children are compassionately cared
for. And obviously the best way would

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be to have everyone come into this
country legally, but I think we've lost

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the hold on that part right now. Andy, when you talk about sex

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trafficking, is it fifty to fifty
young boys to young girls or is it

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more girls than boys. Well,
in my experience, Bill, it is

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more female at this point. And
yes, the boys are what we call

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epping coming. I mean there are
dark websites that specialize in young boys.

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We have websites that specialize in instants
babies. So like in my instance,

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in the early sixties, before there
was human trafficking, I was actually sexually

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abused in traffic from the ages of
six months to seventeen years old. Okay,

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but in that culture we didn't even
talk about child abuse, which is

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why by the age of five,
I just wanted to die. I didn't

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want anyone to touch me, hurt
me, beat me anything anymore. And

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that was my first attempt at suicide
at the age of five. Yes,

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out to the term of my house
and I waited for her to be coming

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by fast enough to jump in front
of and God interceded in my life on

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that day and in other attempts because
by the age of seventeen. Finally,

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at that age, my birth mother
made her last attempt to kill me by

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choking me to death. And you
were trafficked by your birth mother, right,

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Yes, all immediate birth family members, mother, father, brother,

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and then a couple of extended family
members. And again at that time they

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didn't know they could make money off
of it. So I tell people that,

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yes, we see all the movies, we hear about the greed and

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the money involved, but there's also
that dark side where it's pure perversity and

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depraved behavior that happens, especially in
familial trafficking where family members are involved,

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and it's generational. Doesn't always have
to be, but it can be.

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Now that was what was my next
question is is this typically generationally that you're

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saying it can skip a generation,
But somehow it's just that it's that in

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a sense, I mean a virus
or whatever you want to call it,

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that proclivity is within that family unit, you call it a curse or however

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you want to title it, and
it manifests itself. Sometimes it'll skip a

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generation and then manifest itself maybe in
the next generation. Is that what you're

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saying, Well, what I'm saying
is, for example, I decided I

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would never have children. As a
results, I don't know really what happened

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in previousations, although I can guess. I know there was some physical abuse

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and emotional abuse and stuff. That
doesn't give the right to the next generation

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to repeat those actions. As you
know, it is never right for an

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adult to abuse or hurt or violate
a child. However, if the bloodlines

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cover them, For example, I
would see its being sent back to abuse

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his parents by the system because the
judge or the prosecutor believed that every kid

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belongs with their parents, right,
And that's not necessarily true. So so

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to your question, it will not
repeat in my bloodline. Even though I

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lost my son in miscaren many years
ago and ended up adopting one of the

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kids we rescued off the street a
few years ago. My husband and I,

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you know, we knew that no
matter what, there would never be

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a replication of what happened in the
previous generations because I got the help I

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needed, right, and this is
something that you and your husband have decided

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upon in order to get I guess
in a sense protect the bloodline. Well,

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it was more I think my decision
before I met him, but he

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understood, and he was a little
bit older. I was a little bit

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older when we married, so we
weren't really looking to start a family.

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We all, we both had hearts
for the kids that were already here,

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and you know, we were blessed
briefly. But as I mentioned, we

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ended up adopting an adult child that
we had rescued ten years ago, and

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we just love her. She's our
daughter and just goes to show anyone in

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their sixties can be a parent.
Bill, it ain't over until it's over,

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right, Andy, I'm telling you, yeah, that's great. Now

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to kind of, you know,
finish out the story here for our viewers

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is at seventeen, That's when that's
when the abuse stopped. What happened,

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What triggered that event to where you
no longer had to had to be abused?

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Well, I physically went to college. I moved away to college,

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not far enough but as far as
I keep get, and I started seeing

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how other kids lived, how they
were treated, the kinds of families they

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came from, and I was so
altered in terms of I was never allowed

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to do anything without the control factor
or somebody hovering around. So I could

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go to a movie with somebody by
myself for the first time was a little

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terrifying but also liberating. So as
I learned those things, I finished college

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early, and then I went to
work. And even though technically I was

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still connected to those people, because
well, honor your mother, honor your

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father, you know, the whole
cultural thing about even in churches, they

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did not understand the implications of not
just child to be child sexual abuse and

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things like that. So I moved
forward. And when I went to law

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school, I thought, I'm going
to save kids like me, only to

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find out that it wasn't a justice
I was looking for. So I finished

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my degree and then went back to
business. And my goal then bill was

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if I can be successful, I
can save all the kids I want to.

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I can go out and I can
help as many kids as possible.

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And thankfully married someone who had the
like like idea and the like feeling too

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right exactly well, and going from
this process. When you moved away,

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you go to college and you start
seeing other kids and hearing their stories,

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and you're realizing that, I mean
you you've got, You've got a lot

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of luggage with you. You're you're
dealing with a whole lot, uh that

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somebody, even at your age eighteen
nineteen years old, you know this is

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way too much for one person to
deal with. Andy Well, Well,

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I think at that time I had
a very simplistic view of life as if

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I live, I win, and
if I die, the evil people win.

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And it had already suffered tremendously,
been locked up and tortured, all

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that stuff. I had already suffered
so much. I just believed when God

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met me on that curve at age
five, and I I heard that voice

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in my heart that said, this
is not the plan I have for you.

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Suicide is not the answer. I
trusted that, and I said no

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one in particular at that moment,
if you keep me alive, I'll do

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whatever you call me to do.
So I think there was some part of

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me, that that fragile thread of
hope, that wanted to believe if I

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hang on long enough, I might
actually get to a life right. And

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so from the age of five all
the way through and to this day,

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you're still holding on absolutely only that
this time I have support that the fragile

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threat is now a thick rope I
can hang on to. It pulled me

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out of that dark pit. God
and I continued a great relationship. You

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know, my husband and I've been
married twenty three years, and we started

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a show through system in two thousand
and eight because I've had this massive brain

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injury. I've had tan all together, but that was the fourth one and

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I could work, and all of
a sudden, I thought, what's my

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purpose? What am I going to
do? And so we started a little

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web pitdle a website up and it
was Paul Feuli's place, and over fourteen

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years Bill we were less an honored
to rescue three hundred plus at risk homeless

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teams and get them back into community
successfully with an all volunteer driven organization.

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Andy, what what did you make
of? You know this past year movies

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like Sound of Freedom, the TV
series found that addresses human trafficking. I

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got to imagine, you know,
for somebody who has made this your life's

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work, and all the stories that
you tell in voices against trafficking, that

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you know, all this just helps
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bring to light this issue of human
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And even though there may be some
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when we saw the Taken series with
Liam Neeson, was that was like the

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first woe, you know what happened. But now all of these other things.

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I believe for such a time as
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publicity about this topic. People who
thought they were acting in secret are starting

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to be found out, not just
in Hollywood, but in higher levels of

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government and all over. Because the
average predator looks like your dentist or your

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librarian. They're not the grubbies worthy
looking person you see in movies. They

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look like normal people. They have
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But for us, this has been
a big door opening for us to

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get our magazine voices, the courage
out, to get two books out,

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to get another book coming out this
early twenty twenty four, to continue to

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help educate and start conversations with parents, individuals, corporations, communities so that

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we are aware together which will help
us prevent together. And then we have

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a musical CD coming out about a
called Broken Treasure. So we're trying to

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use music, books, magazines,
interviews like this, anything that we can

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do to reach people's minds and their
hearts, because when you have a child

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being sold twenty to twenty five times
a day somewhere, somehow, in your

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heart of hearts, you have got
to say that is not right. Now,

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what are you doing in terms of
the life expectancy of these children?

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I you know, how long can
they sustain? You know, this kind

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of abuse, Andy, It's a
tough one because if you know where there

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are dreads involved, they may not
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to be honest, But the average
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which is twelve to thirteen year old
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years at that if they don't die
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for trying to escape, if they
don't contract some kind of disease that will

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kill them. They don't have healthcare
bill, they don't get to vote,

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they don't get to go down to
seven eleven and get you know, a

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coke or anything. They are trapped. They are often bound you know,

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to the bed or to wherever they're
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to lose their meal tickets exactly.
And then what happens if if a pregnancy

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is involved, and you're just talking
one abortion after another, abortions, or

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they'll sell the baby, or they
will use and I'm sorry for viewers out

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there to hear this, they'll use
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There are yes, Yeah, this
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It's not just happening with the Wigers
in China, as we as has been

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reported. Uh, this is a
this is a universal issue because as a

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culture we have uh and and and
again this is a global culture that our

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respect for human life has has so
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you just you wonder how how much
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I mean, we saw what happened
with Israel and Helmas, for example,

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on October the seventh. It was
bad enough that people were you know,

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uh, they're they're sleeping in their
beds and they were attacked in the

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wee hours of the morning of October
the seventh and murdered in their beds,

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Babies put in ovens. Uh.
You know, women were brutally raped and

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then dragged naked through the streets of
Gaza. And and I said at the

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time, I said, you know, you see all the Palestinians there cheering

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this on, and not one Palestinian
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tried to stop what was happening.
I mean, that's that's quite an indictment

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on the human condition, isn't it? Yes? It is. And here's

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the thing. It's just like religion
versus state. You know, faith is

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a relationship, you know, with
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made, so to speak. And
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just saying humanity has decided what religion
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and Kalinian is watching this, how
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But they have been indoctrinated, just
like artists are being indoctrinated with a variety

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of agendas right now the schools and
in the communities that this is okay,

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that this is right. I was
doing a writing project actually with somebody many

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many years ago into Poland and actually
saw the ovens in Ashchwitz or what was

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Alshchwitz. And you cannot get that
out of your mind. You cannot get

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that smell out of your out of
your memory. But many people have introld

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Oh it doesn't exist. Yeah,
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at the end of World War Two, uh, General Dwight Eisenhower made sure

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the Allies went into some of these
concentration camps so that they could bear witness,

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even the media bring them in,
so that they could bear witness to,

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uh, you know, the human
tragedy, the horrific human tragedy that

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had occurred there at the at the
hands of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich.

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Yet, like you say, there's
still people that are denying that,

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still as as there are people that
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year. Uh, you know.
And but again it gets back to this

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situation of where you know, is
that we have we've we're dehumanizing ourselves Andy

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in the process, because if you
disrespect one one human being, you you

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really you end up disrespecting yourself.
As you said, you went and you

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experienced what happened in Poland, and
you'll never be the same that that experience

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will always be embedded in your mind. And uh you know, and how

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many other people, I mean,
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you know, maybe they're still surviving, you know, have been survivors and

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have tell told the stories of what
happened in these concentration camps and how they

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were dehumanized. But this is to
me, it is the death of Western

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civilization if we continue to disrespect human
life. And as you say, here

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in America, we have we you
know, that's manifest clearly with abortion when

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you talk about over one hundred million
babies have been aborted, and is if

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that's not enoughing and of course one
hundred million that includes you know, the

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traditional abortion process, but also you've
got to add in the chemical abortions,

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which is another you know, forty
to fifty million in there. So we're

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well over one hundred million abortions that
continue in America and keep adding to that

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that gross number. But the problem
is that it dehumanizes all of us in

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this process. And I do not
know of a civilization in history, Andy,

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that has survived this kind of this
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unborn or infants. Well, and
they are the voiceless as well, a

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built just like the voiceless we try
and fight for because they are skill here.

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And there's a hope, because that
God can conquer the evil in my

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life. He certainly can conquer this
and there is a point, a perfect

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time, of perfect plan. I
believe as Andy that you know voices.

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We seek to protect the rights of
every human being when life begins and when

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life leaves us earth, that human's
life should be protected, their rights,

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their joys, their opportunities, all
of that. When somebody else chooses that

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is wrong, that is a violation. So as you said, whether it's

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whether a baby lives or dies,
whether a child learns this or that in

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school, when any agenda takes the
innocence of life from another human being,

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a child in particular, that is
wrong. That is violation. That is

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definitely impacting their ability to have that
moment to either be a kid and play

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in the grid, or to be
that adult that could have been a doctor,

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but some adult decided they shouldn't be
here, an adult that already had

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their childhood right exactly, And here
we are as adults. What are we

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doing, you know, to protect
the innocence of our children. Yeah,

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you can't give it back to them. Nobody could give my innocence back to

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me. But what God did in
my life is allow me to heel transform,

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to find a new normal, to
get the therapy counseling. I needed

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to do the hard work, the
hard choices. See a lot of people

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want to be healed, but they
don't want to go through the pain again

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or do the work. And I
understand that, but I also know if

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you don't do the work, you
can't get to the light at that end

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of the tunnel. And yes,
you can pray all you want, you

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can be as good as you want
to be, but at the end of

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the day, you can't take away
what happened. You can only choose to

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not let it be your identity and
keep you from a greater purpose. I

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believe every human being will a has
a divine purpose in this way, and

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as we disrespect it, we're just
disrespecting the foundation of our country right well,

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and we're and we're disrespecting This is
where the sin comes in. The

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big sin is that we're disrespecting God
Almighty, who created us, who said

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that he wove us. He was
there as he was weaving us together in

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our mother's womb. I mean you
imagine that, you picture that in your

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in your mind's eye, and you
think, what a holy moment that God

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Almighty himself is assembling us together in
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And here we are, you know, thinking that we're above God and

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we know better, and we're going
to destroy his creation. I mean,

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we might as well be be Lucifer
himself. And when we do that,

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when we when we ruin his creation, every human life deserves the opportunity to

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make choices. And for those listening
who might say, well, the why

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God, let what happened to you
happen? Okay, First of all,

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he gave the gift of free will. And when a human, a human

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can do evil, they can do
nothing, or they can do good.

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Only one of those is productive for
all humanity. Okay, the other two

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destroy it in my opinion. And
I knew at the age of three when

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my birth mother came running out of
the kitchen with a meat cleaver in her

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hand, chasing me and my birth
mother through the house, because we had

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the audacity to put our little hands
on the whole wallpaper as we looked into

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the kitchen to see what was for
dinner at age three, and I thought,

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for sure she's going to cut a
step and kill us that night.

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And in that moment, somehow again
God interceded in my understanding that wasn't him.

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It was a choice that that human
being made right exactly, and that

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they have to be account accountable for
somewhere down the road. I don't have

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to worry about it, you know, because I forgave, I let go.

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But a lot of people can't,
and that's what continues to keep them

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bound up by that same evil.
Andy. You know, in talking to

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you and looking at these research numbers
and the data that is out there,

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now we're realizing that the issue of
sex trafficking is pervasive. I mean it

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is throughout our society. And one
of the first questions, you know,

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speaking of God, people may say, well, you know, what is

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the church doing? Because the fact
of the matter is is that probably every

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Sunday in church you're sitting, you
could be sitting next to somebody who is

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involved in sex trafficking, couldn't you? Oh? Absolutely, you can't have

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victims about predators. And guess where
they both go to church? You know,

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they both go together. Guess where
they show up in the areas like

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teaching healthcare that makes them look good
on the outside, right to feel good,

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but on the inside, you know, I was violated by a doctor.

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I should have been able to trust. We go to the national headlines

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at universities Bill right now, the
most dangerous place for a w a young

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girl who's eighteen twenty four years old
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the things that happen there. The
recruiters for human trafficking rings are very

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smart. They gained the trust even
of someone who's a young adult who thinks

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they know better or think that they're
aware, or that they have a friend

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with them. But no matter where
I go, I hear the stories in

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that local community. Oh my gosh, we had two more girls who were

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drugged at this bar or drug at
this restaurant. They were just going to

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celebrate a birthday and they're not paying
attention because we're not teaching them how.

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And one of the things Voices does
is try to educate all adults, you

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know, especially parents. You're trying
to open a conversation with at age appropriate

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levels with your kids, no matter
if they're little or they're college because if

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we don't, they're going to get
their information from the internet and other kids

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that aren't taught either, or they're
going to learn the hard way as a

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result of a bar experience. You
know, you know, Andy I'll tell

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you, you know, to hear
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that every parent before they send their
daughter, especially a way to college,

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is that they should get in contact
with you and make sure their daughter is

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you know, is made aware that
they're educated as to what's going on before

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they enter, you know, the
danger zone of these these universities because parents

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are learning the hard way that here
they send their kids to school, they're

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spending all this money, some cases
as much as a quarter of a million

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dollars for their kids to be educated. And it's bad enough that they're not

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being educated, they're being indoctrinated,
but even worse yet, they're becoming chattel

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for human traffickers and others that are
not going to respect their daughter or their

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young son for example. Absolutely,
and all somebody has to do is to

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female Voices against Trafficking dot com.
Go to our website in an email.

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I see all of them and we
will respond as best we can. But

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here's a tip. On that website, Voices against Trafficking dot Com, there

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is a list of helplines and hotlines
built. If somebody puts those phone numbers

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in their phone, wipe now today
and give them to their age appropriate children

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that understand what the numbers are for, from suicide hotline to child abuse hotline

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to anti trafficking hotlines. That's an
easy, toss free first step to being

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prepared. If you see something,
say something, But guess guess what our

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kids see. They see more of
it than we do because peer to peer,

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they will talk to somebody their own
age before they talk to us exactly.

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Now, this is amazing and talking
about how pervasive it is. Of

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course, the headline this past week
was a top Pentagon official Andy was arrested

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in human trafficking scheme. And we're
talking a Pentagon official. I mean how

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how? I mean we talk about
how pervasive it is is that how involved

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are even you know people in our
government. Well, absolutely they're not being

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penal life even when they do small
crimes. Okay, whether it's drugs or

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you know, we used to think
having an affair was the worst thing that

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could happen as an adult in any
relationship. But a Pentagon official, think

410
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about this, the power he or
she has, the coverage he or she

411
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has, because somebody always knows Bill. It's whether they're willing to be courageous

412
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.720
enough to call in an anonymous tip
or to out that person. But here's

413
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the thing. They're probably getting something
out of it too, Like an e

414
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ft Maxwell situation, all the captains
getting something of value. So they kept

415
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.920
their mouths shut, but they were
equally culpable because they participated in it.

416
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So it's not just this gentleman from
well, it's not a gentleman from the

417
00:33:53.480 --> 00:34:00.039
Pentagon. It's the ones around him
as well that are complicit because they knew

418
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.640
and he The only reason we know
now is could he got caught right?

419
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.320
Well? And this is amazing.
I mean, you know, uh,

420
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:14.679
listen to this. I mean we're
talking a Department of Defense Education Chief of

421
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:22.440
Staff, Stephen Hovenik, who oversees
the schools educating the children of US service

422
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:29.440
members. He was caught on video
allegedly soliciting sex in a motel room as

423
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part of a sting operation by local
investigators. I mean, you know,

424
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.239
going back to what you said earlier, is these predators, they they are

425
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:43.639
in areas that you would think,
uh, you know that that commands a

426
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.960
level of trust, and we maybe
we assume too much. We think just

427
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.639
because they're in that position that we
should trust them, because you know that

428
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.400
the process has vetted them in such
a way that, oh, this is

429
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.000
this would never happen. It's a
government official, he's he's the education she

430
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:07.400
andy absolutely and I can't tell you
that's about the first story of a high

431
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.880
official in Oregon. A couple of
years back then, the head of a

432
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:19.239
college program for students was also arrested
for shaman trafficking. So guess where predators

433
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.559
get their product? Where there are
large populations of children, young adults,

434
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:28.920
young women or men that they can
have access to, and they do they

435
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:30.719
gain their trust. It's grooming.
And I know you've heard that term,

436
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.400
where the predator is going to find
some vulnerability or get to know potential products

437
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.280
and then reel them in slowly but
surely. A quick story about the young

438
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.760
woman who became our daughter recently.
When we first got her in the shelters,

439
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.679
it was two days after her eighteenth
birthday. The father had been a

440
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.639
religious leader in town, violated her
for years. The mother finally divorced him.

441
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:02.320
She married someone else that hates children, left her daughter alone with six

442
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.400
frozen meals in the freezer every week. Okay, so she's twelve years old

443
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.840
to sixteen years old. The only
reason she came home was for the suicide

444
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.760
attempts. That's the only reason that
mother showed up at that time. Fast

445
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.280
forward, so during the sixteen year
old seventeen year old years, this girl

446
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.320
was approached by a thirty year old
woman. Heay, she met her.

447
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.480
She said, why don't we go
out to lunch, and of course,

448
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:34.760
as hur teenager, Alison's going to
share some of her story about her home

449
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.039
life, what's happened to her.
Then she gets presents from this woman.

450
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:43.079
They go do fun things, go
to movies. The woman doesn't ask for

451
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:49.280
anything until about the second month of
grooming her exactly, she says, Hey,

452
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.920
I've have friends coming into the local
motel and I really want you to

453
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.320
meet them. Why don't you come
with me? So, of course Alison

454
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.519
wants to go with her friend who's
been good for her. Well, when

455
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.000
she gets there, everything changed that
night. Allison became the one that was

456
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:08.199
sold to the other people in that
room while that woman watched and basically sold

457
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.239
her one. You're not getting any
of the money too. If you ever

458
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:17.519
tell anyone, they won't believe you
because you're just a kid. And that's

459
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:23.679
how it started. Wow, Thankfully, Fast forward, we helped her put

460
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.159
her life back together, and over
the years she has done a lot of

461
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.800
great things. And finally, when
we did adopt her officially, she was

462
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.840
ready. She said, I really
want a family. Would you adopt me

463
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.639
officially? And my husband and I
already had adopted her in our hearts.

464
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:43.199
And now she has a full right
scholarship and she's going to be the best

465
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:47.800
psychologist for young children ever. Well, I bet she is. Andy You

466
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.840
right, you say, government,
entities, corporations, individuals who are knowingly

467
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:59.760
involved in state sponsored forced organ harvesting. I want to repeat this because yes,

468
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.920
you heard me right, state sponsored
forced organ harvesting, baby harvesting,

469
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.920
human sacrifice rituals, and other crimes
against humanity, including all forms of human

470
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.559
trafficking. They should be sanctioned by
the US and other countries, including the

471
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:23.000
United Nations. Where are we in
this process? That is a big question.

472
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.199
Okay, So first off, I
know of that through a lot of

473
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:35.159
our members in voices. I haven't
personally experienced or had the evidence at the

474
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.000
state level. However, I do
know if you don't do anything to intercede

475
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:45.360
or stop trafficking and crimes against my
human then you're complicit again as I said,

476
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.639
Okay, but you back it up
to look at the Pentagon official,

477
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.039
look at a lot of the other
powerful people who have been accused and who

478
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.000
have some have been arrested, and
some of the pop artists and Hollywood people.

479
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.440
It's the power and influence. I
think there is a great deceiver to

480
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.559
the American people because they, like
you said, they trust it. Well,

481
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.480
they've been vetted, they made it
this far. They have to be

482
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.159
honest, just like a doctor,
right or a teacher. Well, they

483
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.320
have to be safe or they wouldn't
be teaching my kid exactly. We have

484
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:25.199
lost our work ethic in terms of
doing due diligence, asking for background checks.

485
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:31.159
There was a preschool teacher. He
went through twelve preschool jobs about six

486
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.960
months every time before he was caught
violating a foreign five year olds in California.

487
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.119
How did somebody get through twelve jobs
like that without a background check or

488
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:47.800
without somebody checking employment twelve? Yeah, and again I think that part of

489
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.400
well, the problem itself is what
we're realizing. It's so corrupt. The

490
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.119
people that we expect to be doing
their jobs, they're all complicit in it.

491
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:01.199
They're just turning their head, letting
it go because they themselves, their

492
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.599
hands are immeshed in this, and
you know, we could say the blood

493
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.519
is on their hands as well.
And so being of like minded, they

494
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:14.519
think, okay, you know,
they'll give somebody else a pass because that's

495
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:20.400
what they're doing instead of holding holding
to any standard. And of course we're

496
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.039
seeing this, you know, we're
seeing this in our in our school systems

497
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:30.239
today, the books that are put
in children's in the libraries that children are

498
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.760
exposed to. Now you've got the
uh, I guess the obstinates and I

499
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.440
don't know what else to call it
arrogance of some of these new school board

500
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.039
members, Andy that when they go
to take their oath of office they put

501
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:52.360
their hand on one of these sexually
explicit books instead of the Bible. It

502
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.079
is running a mudville. And you're
right, And here's to saying. Somebody

503
00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.159
one said, you can't lose what
you aren't willing to give away, all

504
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.280
right, So if we go by
that thought for the moment, we have

505
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.960
allowed others to take what used to
be important to us as American citizens,

506
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:15.320
as world citizens. So if I'm
not too concerned about my life or somebody

507
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.760
else's life, yeah, sure,
go ahead it doesn't mean anything to me

508
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:23.400
because I didn't think it was important
to begin with. Okay, but again,

509
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:30.760
think about the grassroots movements we've had
all through not just America's tenure,

510
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.199
but that other countries. When people
band together and they're strong enough, how

511
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.159
do you think a lot of these
advocacy groups are minority groups or other groups

512
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.519
have grown because they were patient enough
to build a foundation, you know,

513
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.480
brick by brick, person by person. Well, why isn't every church standing

514
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:54.000
against human trafficking. Why isn't every
goal being forced to have anti trafficking information?

515
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.039
They're not, We're not asking for
it, right, You're exactly right.

516
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.679
Let's talk. We've got about maybe
about five six minutes left here,

517
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.639
Andy, and I did want to
address your Dirty dozen lists. Tell our

518
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:15.239
viewers about this. Well, the
Dirty to the Dozen list comes out every

519
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:22.320
year from an organization on mclosey and
they look at all the corporations, including

520
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:29.840
tech companies, retailers, people like
that to find out who are most either

521
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:36.079
guilty of or complicit and encouraging or
allowing trafficking to happen. So, for

522
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.360
example, I think it was two
years ago Etsy, which is a popular

523
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:46.639
online shopping I guess retailer. I
don't use it, but they had a

524
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.599
lot of trouble with that. They
made the list because the things they were

525
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.840
encouraging, I mean some of the
super retailers, some of the tech companies,

526
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:59.360
all gaming companies, especially the gamers. They have a lot of hidden

527
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.039
things, and parents are not watching
the game all the way through with their

528
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.599
kids, and if they did,
they would find out some very disturbing things

529
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.760
are touched in between that. Oh, it's just, you know, a

530
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.440
bunch of miners are a bunch of
bruts or whatever it is. These companies,

531
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.519
then I look at them and say, I'm not doing business with them.

532
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:27.039
It's my own personal boycotts of certain
stores or certain online apps, because

533
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.480
I have that right to say,
you know what, I'm not supporting you

534
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.679
for that. So that Dirty Doesn't
is to highlight the top twelve every year,

535
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.679
and people can go online on right
now say Dirty Doesen't, and you'll

536
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.719
see all the companies for all the
years past ten plus years that have been

537
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.519
highlighted. Yeah, I mean,
you're looking at this one copy that I've

538
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.760
got here. Included in that the
app Store, Apple App Store, Roadblocks,

539
00:43:53.159 --> 00:44:04.400
Bands, GitHub, Epay, Kick, Instagram, snapjat. I'm sure

540
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:09.320
you could probably throw in TikTok in
there now maybe an ultimately right and and

541
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.760
it goes on and on. But
like you said, check the website.

542
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.800
You can see for yourself. Because
uh, you know, again, as

543
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.280
we said, we're either for them
or again them. You know, we

544
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:24.119
either are doing something about it,
because this is the crossroads that we're at.

545
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.239
We're at that crossroads that the Bible
says, you know, between life

546
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.320
and death and is and the Bible
is real quick to say, choose life,

547
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.400
that's what you want. Well,
these companies are promoting death and you

548
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.039
need to be aware of it,
okay, And why would you want to

549
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:46.960
be complicit with a company that is
promoting death and compromising the innocence and stealing

550
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.280
the innocence of your young daughter or
young son. And as you say,

551
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:57.039
Andy, this stuff is so pervasive
and it is a grooming process. I

552
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:00.440
mean, they're in it for the
long haul because they you know that,

553
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.960
especially in today's culture, kids are
going to get rebellious. They have a

554
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.400
lot of options today, you know, not like you know, particularly your

555
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.280
childhood was such a unique situation,
and I mean I mean a unique I

556
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.760
mean it just was I think most
kids, we you know, we weren't

557
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.159
in an environment like what you what
you lived in, and for us to

558
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.840
get our brain around to think,
how does a three month old child,

559
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.320
you know, become sexually abused all
the way till she's seventeen and survives.

560
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.119
And now here you are today to
tell thist what she said. God had

561
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.239
a brand or plan for you.
God saw all this happening, and you've

562
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.360
become the voice for the innocence and
the voice for those that have been abused.

563
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.679
And you've you've had to pay a
price, a big price, not

564
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.400
only for the seventeen abuse, but
also, as you said, the hard

565
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.519
work to get to the point to
where you could tell your story, to

566
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.119
where you could not only tell your
story, but be an effective advocate to

567
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.840
help others who were being who have
been sex trafficked, and that are carrying

568
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:16.599
this burden with them. Because again, what God wants us to be is

569
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.119
above all things, and he wants
us to be free. And you can't

570
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.920
be free in any way if you
are you know, if you're a victim

571
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.920
of sex trafficking, or if you
are a purveyor of sex trafficking, you

572
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:38.039
know that is not God's wish for
anybody, right, That's exactly it.

573
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.440
And for anyone out there if this
has happened to you or you've experienced it,

574
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.480
it is not your fault. He
did not create that situation. So

575
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:51.320
that shame and that guilt and what
you feel, I experienced. That took

576
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.280
a long time to get through that. But I want you to know you're

577
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.840
not alone and that there are people
that can help you if you're willing to

578
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.280
be helped. But as you said, you know, God had a greater

579
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.159
plan, and I have the best
life, you know, six decades later

580
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.719
than I've had ever, And you're
right, it's still hard. I still

581
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.239
struggle with PTSD. I started speaking
about it more publicly about a year or

582
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.280
so after we close his Shelterers because
the lack of sending and then voices kind

583
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.840
of rose up, you know,
a God nudge things, so we The

584
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:27.119
victim always pays a price until they
passed from this earth. The greatest joy

585
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.079
of victim ever ever has is if
that predator dies or they're in jail for

586
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.639
life where they can't ever be released. And my last predator died at the

587
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.840
age of ninety one, Bill,
So it was a long time Wow,

588
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:46.079
Andy, let's talk about Voices against
Trafficking. This is your latest bookers in

589
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:52.559
Kendle form and that is the strength
of many voices speaking is one. And

590
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:57.880
then tell us about the next book
coming up next year. Yes, this

591
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.840
is our handbook so to speak.
There about eighteen different chapters five to six

592
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.000
pages from different voices around the world
talking about this topic, whether their media

593
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.039
or their survivor leaders, or there's
somebody who had that aha moment when they

594
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:14.679
were traveling in the airport. And
so it's intended to help people understand that

595
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.559
together, no matter who we are, where we are, what we've been

596
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:22.400
through, that we will have a
stronger voice in our communities, local,

597
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.039
national, and international. So Voices
Against Trafficking proceeds go to help children as

598
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.239
sex trafficking and abuse. And then
our next book, which will also have

599
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:36.239
the top Voices against trafficking. We're
deciding on the title now. As a

600
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.519
publisher, Morgan James has picked us
up, so we're excited about that and

601
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.920
it will be out probably before April
or thereabouts next year, and it will

602
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.199
have new chapters and new information.
So this is a great book to give

603
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:54.599
to your child's teacher, principle.
Your legislators say, look, you know,

604
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.960
you need to read what's in here
and at least get an idea of

605
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.960
what's happening. And let me add
church pastors. Okay, the church needs

606
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.760
to take a stand on this.
It seems to be missing in action and

607
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.079
there needs to be a concerted effort
because you know, when you look at

608
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.760
any major change in the history of
America, it's always been the church leading

609
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.199
the way. And for some reason, the church has been been asleep and

610
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.639
missing in action is my observation.
And Andy, so I want to encourage

611
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.599
the church to, you know,
to step up and get involved as well.

612
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Andy Berger has been our guest survivor, author, advocate, attorney.

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She is the founder of Voices against
Trafficking and again you can check out her

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website and look forward to her new
book that will be coming out next year.

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Again, Andy, as we wrap
things up, remind everybody where they

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can go for more information Absolutely Voices
against Trafficking dot Com, Voices against Trafficking

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dot Com, all our information,
helplinetlines, books, magne means everything.

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There were a nonprofit. We appreciate
your support so we can keep rescuing the

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innocence Andy Burger, Thank you.
I appreciate it. God bless Take care.

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God bless you too. Bill,
thank you so much. Thank you,

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our thanks to Andy Burger for being
with us, and thank you for

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sharing a part of your day with
us as well. May God bless you

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and keep you, may make his
face shine upon you, may be gracious

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unto you and give you peace.
Happy New Year, everybody, Thank you

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for being with us. Take care, God bless