Trump, With All His Indictments, Still Beats Bumbling Biden

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W FOURCY Radio. Well, welcome
to Bill Martinez. We are live.

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Great to have you with us.
We're gonna have Cheryl Chumley joining us in

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just a moment, the Washington Times
online opinion editor and author of her latest

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book, Lockdown, The Socialist Plan
to take Away Your Freedom. We're also

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going to be talking about Donald Trump
with all his indictments, he's still beating

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the bumbling Biden, as Cheryl writes
about. And we'll bring Cheryl on now.

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Cheryl, welcome to the show.
Good to have you with us.

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Hi, Bill, it's great to
be with you. Thank you for having

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me. I always enjoy this time
with you, Cheryl, because you you

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caused me to be you know,
be ready to be prepared. You know

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it's and that's important for our audience
because we want to enlarge the thinking and

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challenge the thinking of our audience in
such a way. Because I often say

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that you must own your own knowledge. Cheryl is brilliant. She brings a

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lot of experience to the game here
and a lot of wisdom. But don't

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just take our word for it.
To take her word from it, it's

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important that you do your own your
own research and own your own knowledge.

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Don't take the talking heads for granted, right, Cheryl. Absolutely, Look

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in my books, I go heavy
on the notes because I want people to

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do their own research right. And
when I write a column for The Washington

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Times, I link where I get
my facts from because I think it's imperative

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that people in this day and age, especially with artificial intelligence where you can

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skew videos and things like that,
you have to do your own research and

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it makes your own perspective a lot
stronger as well. See, Cheryl,

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you're not coping out like the other
journalists today that use anonymous reporting and have

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abandoned tried and true journalistic principles.
You actually do the hard work research,

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and have references and listed there so
they know that you're just not making this

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stuff up. It's funny you say
that, Bill, because it sort of

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gives me a smile when I hear
reporters and journalists refer themselves as investigative reporters

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and investigative journalists, because traditionally,
historically, that's your job as a journalist

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anyhow, to investigate and present as
many signs of the stories as you possibly

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can, and that just doesn't happen
these days. Well, that we have

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in America today, I've maintained,
is that professional journalists are few and far

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between. They've abandoned their right to
exist in what the covering of the First

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Amendment gives them the right to a
free and fair press. We need a

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free and fair press to hold those
in power accountable. Because they haven't.

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We are where we are today,
unhinged and in chaos, and America's citizens

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are wondering what the heck happened here? Right? Well, I guess I

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can answer both those questions about journalists
and just in general, what the heck

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has happened in America in one word, morals, right, the moral degradation.

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And it's interesting you bring up about
how journalists have sort of abandoned their

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core duties because years ago Pew Research
Center did this amazing survey where they looked

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at journalists in America and they found
that a lot of journalists self identify as

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independent. And that's great, right. It sounds like, oh, we

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have a whole field of journalists out
there who are just fair minded and open

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minded. Well, and then you
start breaking down what they support by cause

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or campaign or principle or platform,
and it's all Democrat, right. It's

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all the pro abortion, it's all
the LGBTQ type of agenda, and it's

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so much in with the Democrat camp
that you can't say in America we have

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a morally compassed media because by and
large most of them are also secular and

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atheist exactly. Well, and that's
unfortunate because when you have a bias media

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as such as we have today,
but it's really gone beyond bias. It

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is so committed to democratic causes,
as you said, Cheryl, that it

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prejudices everything and it leads people to
believe that, you know, our publications

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today, our government owned and operated. Yeah, it's more a hateful media

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that we have in America, right, now. And I think Donald Trump

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was not out of line when he
called the press the enemy of the people,

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because if you look at what much
of the press does nowadays is to

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take the far leftist talking points and
then just run with it in their you

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know, publications and on their video
channels and so forth, and then support

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those government narratives with anonymous sources and
highly placed or well placed anonymous sources.

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And you just get people nowadays who
get their news off x formally Twitter and

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read a headline and they think,
wow, I have the facts on my

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side, Yeah, exactly, and
then they're embarrassed to find out afterwards.

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And this is what happened with the
Black Lives Matter movement, ANTIFA and on

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and on. You know, these
mostly peaceful protests that were taking place in

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the Summer of Love, right,
and you had CNN and these other media

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outlets reporting that you know, it's
not you know, doing two to four

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billion dollars of damage in your community. Somehow that could be a good thing,

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right, Yeah, And you know, Bill, they did the same

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thing. And by they, I
mean you know members of the media,

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which I'm part of the media as
well, But the media did the same

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thing back when Occupy Wall Street versus
the Tea Party movement was coming to the

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forefront in America, and I saw
personally fellow media members and then watched with

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alarm as the nation national media covered
the Tea Party as if they were looking

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for every little thing that they were
leaving trash, that they were starting,

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fights, that they were violent,
and so forth, while at the same

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time turning blind eyes to the rapes
and the attacks and then the property destruction

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that went forth with alarming regularity with
the Occupy Wall Street movement exactly. And

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you bring up a good point here, Cheryl, and that is that anytime

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there was a Tea Party event,
they left the place better than the way

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they found it. They made a
point of cleaning up after themselves. So

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here it is the Tea Party.
By contrast, a conservative group was interested

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in holding our government into account,
balancing a budget, spending our taxpayer money

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wisely for the benefit of all,
instead of you know, this slow creep

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that when it got to the other
side, and it's almost like we're on

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the downhill side of it. That's
why I keep telling people, Cheryl,

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that the reason that things seem to
be moving with such rapidity is we're on

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the downside of the hill here,
and it's picking up momentum. You know,

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you raise a good point, and
it's a point that nobody wants to

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talk about, but it's a point
that we really need to harp on this

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country. And historically, if you
look at republics anyhow, they don't last.

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They don't last as long as our
republic has been blessed to last.

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And part of the reason that America
has lasted so long is that, by

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and large we've been a faith filled
group of people. Right our country has

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historically gone to church. We were
founded on a quest for religious freedom,

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and that has carried us well into
this going into this next century of a

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republic. But Democrats by and large
are abandoning their faith filled pass They're growing

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in secular, they're growing vicious atheists, and they're attacking God on all public

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stages. And that is really the
last wall that has to crumble in America

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before we see utter collapse. It's
God or we have a country of big

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government. And you know where that
leads. That's cost Well, you're exactly

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right, Cheryl, that really that's
the lindpinch, the lynchpin of it all,

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and that is, you know,
we're back to the garden of Eden.

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Did God really say we're going to
elevate the opinions of man over God

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Almighty, who created everything? So
this is why I mean, this whole

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idea of climate change and this really
it's the new modern religion to replace God.

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But they're so so disingenuous about it. You know, they can't quite

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come to that conviction to say they
want to replace God, but they'll dance

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around it. How dishonest is that? Well, I don't know who they

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think they're hiding from, because,
as you point out, the climate change

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is worship of a false God.
But really the LGBTQ movement that has taken

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off with astonishing speed these last few
years is really the work of the devil.

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And you know, we just saw
it down in Orlando at one of

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the largest pride parades in the world, that there was an eleven year old

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boy dressed as a girl, pretending
to be a girl, emboldened and pressured

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by his parents since age five to
become a girl, who is the marshal

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of that parade. And that's the
sort of thing that we're seeing in this

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country being cheered and embraced and presented
tolerance and love, which is so against

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biblical truths. I don't even know
where to start. Yeah, exactly.

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Well, it's more than shocking.
And you can think in some of these

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events, you know what's next,
that they're actually going to perform a sex

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change operation on one of the main
stages of this parade event that's taking plaze.

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Yeah. Look, the LGBTQ movement
community, however you want to term

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it, has a right to exist, has a right to freedoms, and

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is loved by God as much as
you and I are loved by God.

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Right, So let's just make that
clear. They're not loved any less by

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God. But the wickedness and evil
that they bring forth on the public,

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that's something that we need to fight, and I think too many Christians,

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too many American patriots just in general, have been reluctant to engage in that

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fight and call out the evil as
evil because it's been very uncomfortable for them

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to think that they're judging others.
Well, you're not judging the people,

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but you aren't judging the action.
And these people are going after our youngest,

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our children. Yeah, without a
doubt. Cheryl Chumley is our guest,

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the washing Times Online opinion editor and
author of Luckdown, The Socialist Plan

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to take Away Your Freedom. The
point you make here, Cheryl, is

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so important, and that has to
do with the discernment of good and evil.

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I was reading the other day in
one of my devotion pieces and reviewing

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the Book of Hebrews. In the
fifth chapter and the fourteenth verse, you

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sense that the apostle is grabbing the
church by the shoulders and shaking them,

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saying, you've got to get off
the baby formula. You need to be

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eating solid food in terms of spiritual
nourishment, because it is maturity that allows

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you to understand the difference between good
and evil. You know, it's just

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like our kids. Our kids are
young. How much do they know about

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good and evil? They haven't developed
them else to the point to really understand

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the difference. And we have adults, We have grown people in churches today

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whose man or you know, whose
commandment from God is that they would be

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mature, that they would be the
guard rails of society, particularly those of

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faith, would be the guardrails of
society to know the difference between good and

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evil. But we were warned you
know, we were warned that there would

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come that time when we would call
good evil and evil evil good. And

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here we are, Cheryl, we're
realizing exactly what the Bible said would happen.

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And where's the black robe regiment?
Right? Where are those bold proclaimers

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of the truth from the church.
Now, there are a few, right,

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there are a few, and I'm
sure you know quite a few yourself

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in the church community who are unafraid
to speak truths. But we saw under

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the coronavirus, under three years of
the coronaviruses coronavirus, that church is closing

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onto man from government bureaucrats. There
were no laws passed requiring churches to close,

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because had there been, there would
have been a mass outrage about it,

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right in an uproar, people talking
about First Amendment, freedoms and so

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forth. But it was done quietly, and it was done under guise of

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protecting people and saving their health and
so forth. Well, they scared the

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heck out of them, that's what
they did. Fear they did, which

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is discernment lesson number one. If
it's rooted in fear, it's not of

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God. Right. But there were
too many churches who bent to that fear,

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and that told me that, Wow, our nation is really on perilous

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times because the foundations have shifted so
much that we're now looking to government,

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not God for our liberties and our
rights. Well, and what they did

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was so illegal. I mean,
look what's happening now. The government has

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to rewind and businesses have to rewind
some of these firings of people that wouldn't

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get vaccinated, right, and they're
getting back pay and all these things are

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being done kind of silently in the
background because the whole basis of emergency authorization

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you Sheryl, as you well know, there had to be no other solution

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that could address the pandemic. If
there was an EAU would not have had

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any legal standing whatsoever. And this
is again in time. You know,

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you and I we were called conspirators, We were canceled from our media platforms

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and maligned. And once again,
the truth of God wins out. Right,

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it does win out And it's a
little bit humorous and simultaneously a little

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bit maddening. How like you said, it's being sort of quietly walked back.

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And I say, let the lawsuits
fly, right. I'm not litigious

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by nature. I don't there are
a lot of lawsuits out there that should

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not be going forward. But on
this, on the mandates, on the

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forced vaccinations, which aren't even back
nations, they're shots of private and public

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employees, I just say, let
the lawsuits fly so and send such a

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strong message that it would never happen
again. Where government can mandate untested and

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experimental shots in the arms of Americans. Well, the thing that's interesting.

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I was talking to a friend of
mine who just came down with COVID,

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her and hers son, and and
I said, wow. And the way

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they they had described it to me, I said, this is like the

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flu. I mean, it's like
a bad cold, right, and she

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goes not even not even a bad
cold, maybe a light flu is what

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it is. And psycho. So
for all the history onics we went through,

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and I and I understand Big Pharma
and some of these doctors that supported

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you know, I believe this,
uh, this health narrative, which I

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believe was on its surface, was
so wrong on so many any levels and

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dangerous, dangerous because of what it
was asking people to do. Are being

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you know, the truth is exposing
them, and how are they going to

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you know, walk back this information? But they probably are saying, well,

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the reason you know there's such a
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people didn't get vaccinated. You know, I didn't get vaccinated, you know,

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and as and what I did during
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about every sixty days or so,
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I just wanted, you know,
being a reporter on these things and having

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this platform, I wanted to be
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one man's experience, here's what's going
on. That It was doctrinal. It

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was just saying, hey, look
it, I think that we're missing out

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on the cumulative intelligence of three hundred
and forty million people who are experiencing different

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aspects of COD and this is their
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And I believe that, unfortunately,
our health resources have limited that information in

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order to keep us in fear and
keep us from really knowing the whole truth

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of this to make a really a
smart decision. Well, oh gosh,

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an informed decision with our doctor.
What a novel concept, right, Well,

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the lies were evident early on.
If you didn't allow the fear to

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cloud your thinking. Then you could
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of the coronavirus hitting at America's soils, that there were lies and deceptions and

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spins and so forth as part and
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didn't buy into the lies, the
next thing you should have at least noticed

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were the conflicting statements. Because you
turn on CNN and one doctor says this,

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You turn on Fox News and other
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tells you as an individual, as
a thinking free American, that the choice

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should always have been yours, right
exactly. So that's the big takeaway here,

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because government's going to do what government
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but we can never allow individual choice
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you made reference to the black robes, And the fact of the matter

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is, you know, when Jesus
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was released, the Holy spirit's released
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God and believe in Jesus, and
we are the ones, you know,

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we need to come together because though
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lot of information out there and the
rise of you know, socialism and communism

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and some of these anti God theories
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that is happening is coexisting at the
same time, show there are revivals that

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are taking place that the media doesn't
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not just that Satanists hadving his way
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that God is demonstrating to people that
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his popcorn stand and that satan will
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people of faith, as you mentioned
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one another in pursuit of the truth
because of these contravailing indicators and opinions that

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are flying out there. Yeah,
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what you just described about the uprisings
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America where really have been cesspools of
moral depravity for years, right, and

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out of that is springing evidence of
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working through the very generation that has
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these morally repugnant things. And so
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think that we in the Christian community
can really build on that because God does

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leave a remnant, and he doesn't
need fifty one percent. Right, it's

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a boat here. You know,
He'll whittle down until it just looks bleak

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and dark, and that just means
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see. This is the testimony of
people who've walked with God. You know,

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the Bible says he who knows that
God will do mighty exploits. And

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it's not so much about the mighty
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walking with God, having that kind
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again. You know, Cherylte,
wake up every morning and I look out

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over a lake, I see the
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and even some crazy critters underneath the
building here that make all kinds of noises

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that wake me up in the middle
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and I'm just thankful, you know, for God's glory and how he presents

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himself. You know, with the
rising of the sun and as the moon

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comes up, and in between are
these incremental and infinite miracles that are taking

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place that He has created. Nobody
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nobody else has done it. Only
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the god of the big, but
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sometimes it's the smallest, tiniest thing
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think, wow, God cares so
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him. And so yeah, you
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know the battles won. Right.
All we have to do is hold our

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light and that's it. Well,
real quick, if it's okay, I

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just want to make a detour and
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your read on this. I mean, how quick public sentiment turned. Hamas

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did these horrible terrorist x on innocence
of Israel, and people saw this and

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they were shock. But I mean
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they had turned the tide and suddenly
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all your life, to see something
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that particular thing. What amazed me
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was allowed to exist this long and
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open anti Semitism. But what you
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know people in the media. I
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filled with people who are ignorant about
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which is the root of all the
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against Israel. So if you don't
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war on Hamas and Hamas is terrorist
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sort of moral equivalency, uh to
make here you see Hamas and Israel with

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both having uh you know, righteous
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you were part of the group of
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perspective and we should honor that.
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wasn't surprised because the media is filled
with people who do not do the the

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even the smallest research in order to
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it goes back to what we were
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discerner of that which is good or
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to me it's that it's that obvious, uh, you know, but understanding

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you know, the ancient hatred for
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nations. I mean, uh,
while these children are in the womb,

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it's they're being indoctrinated, you know, toward uh, you know, anti

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Semitism, are they not, yes, and hatred of the West, right,

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you know how these terror groups want
to do Israel. That's what they

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have in plan for America and the
entire Western culture as well. So I

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think if you're not discerning, if
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have a solid concept of good versus
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recognize that evil does exist in the
world, and it shows itself in terror

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organizations like Hamas. And you can't
have diplomatic talks with these people because they

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just want to kill you, eradicate
you, and wipe off your state from

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the face of the earth. Yeah, how do you negotiate your demise?

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And then of course the little Satan
the big Satan, and people are non

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discerning to realize that America is next
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the way, our border has been
so wide open, we have terrorists coming

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into the country. We've already have
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goes into the interior of our country, and all but maybe eight states.

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sixty ninety days ago that cartels had
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they're ever growing, so they may
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God only knows. But majorcis the
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and they've let the gate wide open, meanwhile lying to the people telling us

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that the gate is secured. Yeah, cartels and radical islamis right, which

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I'm sure they have terror cells at
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let's not forget the Chinese nationals that
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you know they've disappeared into parts on
nown. So we've got this huge threat

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facing our nation right now, and
a lot of it is due to the

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weakness of this puppet president in the
White House. Even more of it is

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due to the failure of the American
people to put God first. Yeah.

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an extension that I think most of
us accept is the third term of one

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Barack who's seen Obama and this is
what Barack Obama had seen in the fundamental

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transformation of our country, right,
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our country. Barack Obama's favorite,
you know, mantra for America and that

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he was a president who did more
damage in eight years than we've seen democrats

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president Democrat presidents do in maybe fifty
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his pen and phone way of governing
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his real scorn for the American people, he has turned in this nation down

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a path that is more akin to
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democracy, a republic, any of
the things that founders gave us. And

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look at all the other people that
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Clinton, and of course we know
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it was like this cabal that was
taking place. You know, Joe Biden,

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I don't see him as some intellectual
genius that had an original idea.

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I think he went along to get
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in this power seat that he always
dreamed about being in. And what an

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embarrassment to himself and to the American
people. You know, when you consider

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the presidents that have filled the seat
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on Veterans' Day how he stumbled and

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completely made a mockery of veterans this
country with the wreaths and he didn't know

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which way to go, which way
to go. But we've all been watching

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with alarm his mental decline. But
it's really it's moved from the area of

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humorous and mocking to the arena of
dangerous, and not just for America,

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because we would not have seen Hamas
to do such a bold, open terror

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attack on Israel if Donald Trump had
been in the White House, clearly and

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Putin would have been held in check. Gee also and Rocketman as well.

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I mean, Joe Biden has brought
this country to the brink of World War

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three. Sharew I mean, you've
got to call it for what it is,

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absolutely and I know a lot of
people have been saying that myself as

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well at times under this administration,
that it seems very World War three out

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there. And it's just it's time
to rally around Christian principles and really dig

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deep and get a relationship with God, because if you don't have that it's

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only to get bleaker and blacker.
The forces who are enemies of America know

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they only have a year left of
Joe Biden, and I suspect that they're

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going to try and do all their
long held strategies before he leaves the White

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House, you know, without a
doubt. And if not, they'll do

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everything they can to interfere with the
next election to secure if it's Joe Biden

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or at least a Democrat in office
that they can control, which they have

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patternly been able to control over the
years time and again. I mean,

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it's quite clear with the exposure of
and the writings of whether it's Miranda Divine

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yourself and Peter Schweitzer in terms of
how our elected officials have been captured by

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these foreign entities. And here it
is whose interests are they most concerned with?

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Is it ours or is it you
know, President g is it Putin?

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And yet Donald Trump they accused him
three ways the Sunday of being compromised,

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but there's no there's no paper trail
or any kind of smoking gun that

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would indicate that he took any money, you know, from these foreign entities.

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But yet we've got all kinds of
smoke when it comes to the Biden

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brand, you know, coming from
you know, Ukraine, Russia, China,

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you know, go on and on
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potentially hundreds of millions of dollars involved
her Geryl. You raise a good point,

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and you know, Donald Trump was
indeed the great destructor, right,

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and not simply because he was a
member of the Republican Party when he ran

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for the presidency. Because there are
too many Republicans out there who have thrown

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in with the Democrats in terms of
bringing forth a more globalist agenda to America

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than even Republican versus Democrat. And
I think that's the greater concern here.

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We don't just need a Republican in
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We need somebody like Donald Trump who
recognizes the threat is globalism more than just

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simply the Democrat Party, because it's
the globalists who are working through the Democrat

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Party, like Hillary Clinton and other
powers who be along with many in the

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Republican Party, who have agreed with
the idea that China is the next world

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power and that America needs to get
in line and stand aside and allow China

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to take the or dominate on the
world stage, so we need to consider

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the globalist agenda more than political parties
at this point. Well, sure,

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you're exactly right, but globalism is
socialism, is it not. I would

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say it's even more than that.
It's communism slash Marxism. And if you

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just want to put a word on
it that nobody can argue with, it's

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collectivism, right, yes, eight
above the individual and that is a decimation

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of America where we are all about
the individual because we know our liberties and

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rights come from God. Yeah.
The reason I guess socialist because title of

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your book, number one. Their
thing is is I think people are hard

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to understand, you know, if
you know, it's like you want to

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have a Jack Nicholson moment and a
few good men, you know, you

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can't handle the truth. It's communism. I mean, this is really where

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that because all roads, I think
was Carl Marks at all roads lead to

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communism, and that's that's where it's
heading, I mean clearly, because as

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you said, there's no individual rights. It's all about it's all about big

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government. Yes, and you know
it's the left really that plays for the

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language. They're very clever at disguising
their communism or collectivism by calling it different

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things. You know, the Democrat
Party itself is filled with communists nowadays,

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but really they started years and years
ago, and they call themselves progressives and

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Democrat progressives back when socialists used to
be a dirty word. Well look where

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we are now. We have open
socialists serving in office, which I don't

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even understand. How they can take
the oath of office? How do they

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do that? How can they?
They have to sweare allegiance to the constitution

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and yet they stand in conflict to
everything the Constitution stands for. So give

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it another couple of years and then
socialists will be leading to open communists serving

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in our politics exactly. Trevor Lauden
has written extensively on this fact. He

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shocked our audience I think it was
well over a year ago, Cheryl,

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when he said that there were over
one hundred card caring to your point,

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card caring Democrats socialists that have been
elected to office that serve in Washington,

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d C. Supposedly on our behalf. You know, in one of my

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books, I can't remember it was
the latest or the one before. Maybe

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it was both books, I'm not
sure, but I looked at the Democrat

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Socialists of America and how they have
infiltrated the public school systems by recruiting members

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of their own mindset to go into
public teaching and and teach the next generation

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in the socialist collectivist way to go. And they put all over on their

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website all the great benefits you have
for being a public school teacher, including

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and this is interesting, the fact
that it's very hard to fire teachers.

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So once these DSA people get their
members in public school systems and teach the

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next generation to hate America, the
very hard to fire. So look at

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that, you know, in relation
to what you just told me about the

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one hundred serving in d C exactly, the next election doesn't look very good.

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Well, and this is why even
with Donald Trump, I mean,

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Donald Trump had a rough four years, and look what he was able to

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do with all the resistance Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Party, members of his

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own party. I mean, you
know, you think about it, but

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for one thumb being you know,
down instead of up, Thank you very

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much, John McCain, Obamacare would
have gone by the wayside. But you

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know, in spite of that,
we were energy independent, our border was

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secured, there was peace, in
the Middle East and about ready to break

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out with the Abraham Accords, five
Arab nations, ready to come to the

439
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.679
peace table, so many positive things. People were working, you know,

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00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:22.960
Blacks, Hispanics, minorities, everybody
all the way around. But I guess

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America couldn't handle that kind of success
in winning that we had to just feel

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like we were unworthy and grovel and
you know, pay seven dollars for a

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00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:39.400
gallon of gas. Well, Donald
Trump and his make America Great Again in

444
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America First Agenda, that wasn't just
a bumper sticker, it was actually the

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guiding principle of what he put forth
in the White House. That was something

446
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.760
that really ticked off the globalists,
right, and so they wanted to overdrive

447
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:59.880
into hyperdrive in order to just riddle
his administration with one scandal after another.

448
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.079
Russia collusion. It was just ad
nauseum with the Russia collusion, never a

449
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.920
shred of evidence, but the media
ran with it because the media is in

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bed with these globalists and Democrats and
so forth. And in the end,

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he was still able to do a
lot of good for America despite half the

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time having to fight off these far
leftists who just wanted to destroy him and

453
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:30.039
his family and make sure the MAGA
type America First agenda never reared its head

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again. And look where we are. There's a lot of people supporting him

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to this day. Well, it's
become a pejorative like the Tea Party.

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You know, they turned the Tea
Party into pejorative. Like what are they

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guilty of holding the government accountable?
You know, doing what our constitution says,

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we have every right to do,
civic responsibility. Oh no, they're

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bad people. They need to be
maligned. They need to be putting those

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in that basket of deplorables, as
Yellow Clinton said, that are worthy of

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reprogramming. I mean, this is
all very you know, Cheryl, I

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don't know about you, but I
want to send a bill. I want

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to send an invoice to Hillary Clinton. I want our money back for the

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lie that she put out there on
the Russian collusion. How many millions of

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dollars of the people's money did we
spend because of that big lie? All

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on her. It wasn't a mistake, It wasn't misreporting by some reporters that

467
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just you know, didn't get all
the facts. This was all orchestrated by

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00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:29.320
her and her campaign, and then
we send another bill to the so called

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00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:36.400
fifty one intelligence officers that said that
Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. Right,

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And while we're at it, let's
start sending out the bills now for

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the indictments that Donald Trump is fighting
off while he's on a campaign trail for

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president, running against the president in
power right now, who is in charge

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of seeking all these federal law enforcement
agents and state law enforcement agents against Donald

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Trump too? So you know,
I think the American people is well aware

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of the deep state type of agenda
that's running through our country and destroying our

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law in order and system of justice. And you can see part of that

477
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in recent polling of independence. They're
not voting for Joe Biden. So who

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else are they going to vote for
at this point? Well, they need

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to vote for Donald Trump with a
conviction of understanding that it's going to be

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bloody. This is you know,
what they did was a coup and what

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00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:37.719
needs to come back is is a
wrecking ball through the the governmental institutions that

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you refer to that are so well
entrenched and impossible to fire. But the

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deep state is deep. Uh,
it is complex. Uh, and it's

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going to require somebody like a Donald
Trump and the backing of you know,

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whether it's his party or independence,
maybe some Democrats who might wake up with

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a conscience and realize that if we
do not come against these malforces that have

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taken over our government, this Great
America idea is going to go into the

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ash ben of history. We need
a course correction. I agree completely.

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We can't have somebody come in and
try and do the diplomatic dance with Democrats,

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because that'll be wasted four years of
nothing happening except in boldening Democrats.

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Further, we need somebody who can
take a sledgehammer to the evil forces that

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are really rapidly and brazenly trying to
destroy America from within our own political system.

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You know, I was talking with
one expert, Cheryl, and I

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mentioned that the deep state has become, you know, the fourth branch of

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government. He says, Bill,
I want to correct you. He goes,

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actually, there's three sub elements to
the deep state. And I said,

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yaho, and he broke it down. He says, well, you

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got the administrative state, which is
part of the deep state. You have

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the law enforcement you know, the
FBI, Justice Department is another level of

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the deep state, and then you
have all these NGOs, which is a

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third level. So really we have
we have in essence, six levels of

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government that are in operation right now. I mean, look at the breakdown

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when you really look at what's going
on in the border, look down the

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00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:39.920
road, and you see all these
NGOs that are participating in this illegal incursion

505
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.519
and invasion that's happening at our southern
border and even our northern border for that

506
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.679
matter. Yeah, the non governmental
organizations have been sort of you know,

507
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they've been very difficult to cover over
the years because they have that quasi government

508
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.199
status where they're sort of subject to
public records and so forth laws, but

509
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.800
they're sort of not and so it
makes it difficult to track where the money

510
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:15.400
goes through them and so forth.
And then when you add in big names

511
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like George Sorows with the tentacles going
in each in every direction of all the

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NGOs, it seems like it's very
difficult to get to the truth because what

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these organizations do in terms of destroying
America principles. Yeah, I was going

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to say, I'm glad you brought
it back to the truth, because that's

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00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.400
the bottom line, see, we
don't know the truth. This is an

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00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.719
old CIA dictum is that you plead
plausible deniability. We heard it first spoke,

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you know, from the lips of
Hillary Clinton publicly in the public square.

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00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.639
But people need to understand this is
the order of the day within our

519
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.039
government, this plausible deniability. That's
why we have these endless hearings. And

520
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.400
you see these people to go,
I go, what did you expect?

521
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.360
You think all of a sudden,
you know, Christopher Ray's gonna say,

522
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.920
oh, you got me, I
lie, It's not going to happen.

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00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.719
Yeah. I think we need to
And I just had a conversation with somebody

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about this. I think we need
to give up the idea that we're going

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00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:15.960
to see Hillary Clinton or Christopher Ray
or Democrats, you know, in handcuffs

526
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.199
being led away to jail and so
forth. Now that sounds great, It

527
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.960
sounds great on the campaign trail,
and it's a good way to rally people.

528
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:29.199
But as for actually going for that
in terms of realizing it, I

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think it's a time waster. And
I think as Christians we actually need to

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00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.519
count on God to bring about the
final consequences and we just live this life

531
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.559
staying within the realm of reality and
trying to make policy differences, not put

532
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.480
people in jail as much. Yeah, you don't have to, you know,

533
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.039
you don't have to give up your
faith in this process. You know,

534
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.960
recently you wrote about, you know, Donald Trump and with all the

535
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indictments and everything, he's still beating
you know, quote unquote bumbling Biden.

536
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Because there is a clear contrast here, you see, and I thought the

537
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:12.199
contrast was quite clear in the twenty
twenty election. But you know, people

538
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can decide whatever happened. I appreciate
that over sixty percent of the country believes

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00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:22.239
there were shenanigans in outright voter fraud, but like everything that runs in the

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00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.400
government, we may not even realize
and accept that voter fraud did in fact

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00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:34.760
take place in twenty twenty, though
a majority of Americans believe that it's rather

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suspicious and they don't have confidence that
there was a free and fair election.

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But here we have twenty twenty four
around the corner, and you know,

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if we are at that critical point, you know, we cannot have another

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another twenty twenty election. I think
that that would be the undoing, the

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00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:58.159
final death nail for America. What
do you say, Well, I think

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that there have been some states that
were problematic before, and that's putting it

548
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:07.119
in a nice way, right,
problematic that have done the hard work of

549
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.440
reforming and cleaning up some of the
voter roles, and they've also put in

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00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:20.280
place protections so that maybe ballot stuffing
or long distance voting isn't as it isn't

551
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.239
as frequent as it was under the
years of the coronavirus, because of course

552
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.960
that was the Democrat's a big excuse
to get everybody to stay home and nail

553
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.679
in their votes and so forth.
And we don't have that this time.

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But we also have states and localities
that have enacted some legislative reforms, and

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I do hope that people aren't dissuaded
from voting. I hope that people actually

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go out and vote in the Republican
Party because and not think that what's the

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point. Because I do think that
this time around, people are going to

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be ever watchful on the vote counting. And we've got polls that show that

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Trump is leading in five battleground states
right now now against writing it's only going

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to get it's only going to get
more in Trump's favor as Biden stumbles more.

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00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.320
Well, you know, you bring
up a good point in terms of

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Republican voting. Traditionally, Republicans have
waited till the day, and the Democrats

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00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.079
have been able to expose that as
a weakness, and the Republicans need to

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00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.159
match up. Voters need to match
up with you know, the pressure and

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00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.880
the focus of voting as much as
the Democrats do in order to level the

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playing field, if that's even possible. Cheryl, Yeah, it's a difficult.

567
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:44.079
It's a difficult thing for me to
say that Republicans should actually vote early.

568
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.719
I get the strategy behind it,
but I hate the idea that America

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has moved away from an election day
and we're not just on election week,

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we're actually on a month month.
That's exactly. It used to be pretty

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strict. If you were in the
middle terry, you could vote absentee if

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you were sick or elderly ailing out
of state, but you had to get

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00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.039
permission. Now it's everybody and anybody. If you don't feel like going to

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the polls that day here, just
vote from home whenever. And so I

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00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:17.000
hate getting away from making the case
for election day, but I do see

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00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.320
the strategy behind that, Well,
you got to play the rules that are

577
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.199
out there. I'm like you.
If it was me, if I was

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00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.719
king for the day, I would
say, look at one day, you

579
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.440
know, we take the day off. We honor our civic duty, We

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00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.000
honor this country and the great American
idea we go out and vote. And

581
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:39.119
this idea that you can, you
know, go to nursing homes and get

582
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:46.440
people who have maybe sixty seconds of
lucidity and capture a ballot from them is

583
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.320
disgusting. And we know that this
is what happened in the twenty twenty election.

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The Democrats and these operatives have no
conscience, you know, and Republicans

585
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.719
want to play fair, but it's
not fair, and they need to grow

586
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:07.639
up and understand that this is this
is a war. The Democrats see it

587
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.119
as a war, and they're desperate
and they're not going to roll over easy.

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00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.119
We must we must match the intensity. And I say we, I'm

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00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.079
talking about people who care about their
vote being counted. And we have to

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00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.519
recognize the evil though, too,
because there are plenty of Democrats who just

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00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.159
they don't care about the means so
long as the end is the way they

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00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:37.559
want it. And so they don't
play fair. They're not ashamed of outright

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00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.360
lies and deceptions, and if they're
caught red handed, wife, they have

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00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.400
their friends in the press to come
in and cover for them. So we

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00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:51.000
have to see the evil that's inherent
in much of the political system nowadays and

596
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:52.599
not be taken off guard by it. We have to get ahead of it.

597
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:59.039
Actually, Well, when you have
a former Attorney General Eric Colder looking

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00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.320
into the camera and swearing that voter
fraud doesn't exist in America, what planet

599
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.079
did you fall in off of?
What are you thinking about? The Heritage

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00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.840
Foundation has very you know, hundreds, if not thousands of documented cases where

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00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.239
people have been arrested and they're serving
sentences for voter fraud, Aeric Holder.

602
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.320
So if it doesn't exist, then
why are they in jail? Well?

603
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.519
Eric Holder also said that he was
Barack Obama's wingman as well, So if

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00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.440
Barack Obama wanted to, you know, change the foundations of the nation,

605
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.639
it makes sense that his wingmen would
put that type of narrative out there.

606
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.440
Yeah, without a doubt, Cheryl
got about a minute and a half left

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00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.000
here your book, The Socialist Plan
to take away your Freedom. I'm going

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00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.280
to give you an opportunity to summarize
and wrap things up for us as we

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00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:51.400
come to a conclusion of this discussion, and our thanks to you for coming

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00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.280
on the show, by the way, thank you for having me so lockdown

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and the socialist plan to take away
your freedom just starts by going through so

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what happened under the coronavirus, but
then warns in the future, how the

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global is, how the Democrats,
how the George Soros and Bill Gates types

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are going to segue from the coronavirus
into something more specifically climate change and use

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the same types of fear and fear
models to seize our individual liberties. And

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this time it won't be just for
a year or two, it will be

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forever. Exactly Well, they did
it before, and if you want to

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know what somebody is going to do, look at what they've done. And

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they were able to do a lot
of damage to this country, and hopefully

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it's retrievable, because you know,
I think ryl of you know, our

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fellow citizens who were so fearful about
wearing a mask and being fearful of those

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not wearing a mask. It became
so combative and it really was such a

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gross encroachment on our liberties, wasn't
it. It was? And anytime the

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government is mandating you to do something, your first reaction should be why or

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even I'm not going to exactly,
Cheryl Chumley, thank you for being with

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us. Cheryl's the Washington Times Online
opinion editor, author of Luckdown, The

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Socialist Plan to take away your Freedom. Be blessed, Cheryl. Thank you

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again, Thank you very much,
and thank you ladies and gentlemen for being

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with us to be a part of
this movement to return to God, because

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that is the answer. This is
the solution to all the chaos. May

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God bless you and keep you.
May make us face shine upon you,

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and may His peace rest upon you. Thank you so much for being with

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us. God bless