The Spiritual Price of Political Silence

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Well, hello and welcome. This
is Bill Martinez and we are live.

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We're going to be talking about the
Spiritual Price of Political Silence. In

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her new book, The Spiritual Price
of Political Science, Christy Stetsman, author

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speaker, a former Republican State Indiana
representative, offers practical steps at every concerned

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American, regardless of their political experience, can take to become politically active and

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engage in the political process, and
to do so effectively. You will also

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gain clarity on American history, as
the book serves as a refresher course not

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only the role that Judaeo Christian faith
played in the nation's founding and development,

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but on citizens' Rights and responsibility.
Christy, that's been welcome to the show.

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Good to have you with us.
It's so great to be with you.

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Bill, thank you for having me. Well, Christy, you're also

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a small business owner. What business
are you in? Yes? Actually,

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I am a former teacher and then
we started a production company. I'm a

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music teacher and I'm a music composer, and so I write musical stage musicals

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and we own the Barns at Napanee
in Napanie, Indiana, and it's been

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around for a long long time.
We bought it right before COVID, so

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we were kind of dealing with all
of the repercussions of that, but we've

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made it through. And I write
and produce a stage musicals. So God

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told you to buy this facility right
before COVID, and so after that you

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go, Okay, God, you're
such a joker. What are you doing

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to me? Right right? Yes, for sure, it was one of

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those questioning moments where you're looking at
God saying okay, why Yeah, But

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really, you know, I've always
been part of the conversation and part of

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the world of performing arts. I
truly believe that Christians should be involved in

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that people a face should be involved
in that as well, and it's something

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it's a gift that God's given us. So we decided to start writing original

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musicals. I'm actually working on my
fourth right now, and we're starting to

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license them across the country and give
people good content that's wholesome, uplifting,

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but also really entertaining and fun and
the topic manner that you're focusing on in

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these musicals. Yeah. So the
first one was a musical Christmas Carol,

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so it's based on Charles Dickens class
sick Tail. Everybody loves that. The

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next one was When Calls the Heart. It's a best selling book by Jeanette

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Oak. It's been on Hallmark for
ten years as a TV series, has

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been uplivy, and now it's a
musical and we really were given great response

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to that. And now I'm working
on her next well, actually it's another

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book series that she wrote, Jenna
Oak, and it's entitled Love Comes Softly.

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It's been made into a series of
movies. So that's what I'm working

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on right now. Well, how
much fun is that? That's awesome?

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I love this and of course you
know, we can use more, you

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know, wholesome family product like this. You know, our unfortunately, our

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traditional entertainment outlets have gone woke on
us, and you know, and we

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have to be careful what we expose
our kids to these days. The book

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Spirtual Price of Political Silence. What
motivated you to write this book? Well,

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having been involved in government and politics
in different ways over the years.

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So my husband is a small business
owner and own several small businesses. And

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after nine to eleven, we had
just had our first child three weeks before

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nine to eleven happened, and as
young, you know, a young family

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and just starting off in business,
we really were concerned about the future of

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our community. And so we just
started showing up to meetings to try to

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be involved and know who was in
charge and make sure we were in good

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hands. And one thing led to
another, and he ran for state representative,

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and so I tried to jump in
with both feed and learn as much

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as I could about the whole process, because I did not study political silence

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at science in college, and so
you know, I was trying to learn

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as much as I could from that. But the motivation for the book came

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from a lot of people coming to
us and saying, you know, it's

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so intimidating. I don't even know
where to start. I don't know what

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to do. You know, how
do you even get involved? And it's

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actually easier than you think. So
I wanted to give a practical handbook to

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folks of faith and just encourage them
to say, hey, it's easier than

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you think, and you're needed.
You're needed. Your involvement is essential.

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Actually in America. Well that's where
we the people come from, right,

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I mean those three important words from
the Declaration of Independence and our constitution.

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It really those three words command us
to get involved. You say, you

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may not have studied political science,
but you lived it right, Yes,

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exactly, and we all do.
And I you know, as I did

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my research on this book, I
realized that, you know, this is

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a unique opportunity in the history of
the world to be born into a country

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where your birthright is to not only
enjoy freedom, but to also protect it

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for the next generation. And if
we're not part of the conversation, and

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we're not involved on any level,
whether it's just helping a campaign or whether

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it's actually running for office or attending
you know, local school board meetings,

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whatever we're doing is actually making a
difference, and so it's our birthright and

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it's the only way we can survive
as a country. I love it.

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I love that you said it's our
birthright. Ron Reagan said, we're just

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one generation away from losing it all. And we see what's happening today in

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America on the streets of America,
and wow, I mean, for it

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seems like the last decade or so, Christy, we've been told that we're

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at that tipping point. But I
think we're beyond that tipping point. We're

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on the down side of it.
And that's why things seem to be moving

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with such rapidity. And my humble
opinion, yes, yes, for sure.

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And that's why I titled the book
The Spiritual Price of Political Silence,

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because I truly believe that we are
paying a spiritual price right now when we

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look at all around us in our
culture, in our schools, you know,

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in our communities, the mindset of
people, the vitriol that's out there,

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the divisiveness. This is all a
result of the church saying, well,

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you know, it's not our place
to be involved, or people of

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faith being intimidated of speaking out and
actually exercising their freedom of speech. That's

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all part of the price that we're
paying right now. And I truly believe

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it's all it's all hands on deck
right now. We truly need a renewal,

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an American renewal, and a spiritual
renewal in our country. Yeah,

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but for the spiritual you know,
the spiritual response. In the beginning stages

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of this country, you would never
have had the great American idea that we

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have. Yes, well, yes, yes, the revivals, there's a

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there's a direct correlation between the great
revivals that happened and then political action throughout

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history in America. It's it's amazing
to see, whether it's you know,

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back way back in the Revolution,
or whether it's just in recent years it's

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sixties and seventies, there are definitely
movements of God that made a difference.

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Well, you know, I love
the book because it reinforces the need to

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go back to what I call first
principles. As you know, being a

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small business owner, you and your
husband, is that oftentimes, you know,

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is we run our small our businesses, we may lose the way,

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we may make a wrong turn.
Maybe it's an employee who comes in says,

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hey, I got a great idea
sounds like a good idea, you

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take the idea doesn't work, and
it takes good leadership and management to say,

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wait a minute. You know,
down the road, it could be

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a year or two, sometimes longer, but you realize, you go,

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wait a minute, we lost momentum. Where where did we make a wrong

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turn? And good leadership will get
you to go back and look at that

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crossroads where you missed the turn and
you ended up in the wrong place.

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Right, yes, yes, exactly. It's a reassessment of our direction and

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figuring out where did we go wrong? That's exactly right, yeah, and

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this is the opportunity that we have
today right now. Less Jesus should terry.

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You know, we're here. We're
not claiming any dates here, but

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you look at what's happening, not
only in America but around the world.

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And you know, even doctor Belly
when he was asked about the last days

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by one reporter he said, are
these the last days? He said,

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the last of the last days?
He was very quick to respond to that.

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So the signs are there, right
exactly, and we're yeah, yeah,

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go ahead, no, I totally
agree. And the more we see

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happening around the world, the more
evidence we have that we are in the

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last days, and a lot of
people say, you know, well,

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then I guess we just kind of
wait until you know, he returns,

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or a lot of people I've heard, especially regarding politics, say well,

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does my vote even count? Doesn't
even matter? And it actually does,

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especially on the local level. And
yes, we need to be, you

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know, making sure that our elections
are secure, that those in leadership are

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making sure that they are protected,
and that every vote is sacred. But

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boy, when when my husband first
ran for a state representative position he won

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by two hundred and forty nine votes, every vote counted, and board elections

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and local elections, it really does
matter. Now, Christie, let me

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clear this up because the information that
was given to me was that you were

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the former Republican State Indiana representative.
But it's your husband who is the former

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Republican state Indiana representative. Is that
correct? Actually? Both? Actually both.

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So my husband served in the state
rep and a state senator and also

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in Congress for six years, and
then I served as a state representative while

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he was out of politics and working
on business, and so I served for

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two years there just to have some
fun. Huh, right, Well,

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I like to call it causers.
When you meet people that believe in a

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cause and they're willing to do something
that just doesn't seem fun, it's usually

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because they truly believe in it,
and so we're kind of one of those

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causers. We also believe in the
cause of preserving historic you know, historic

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preservation of great places around our state, and so we've been involved in that

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as well. But yeah, so
it's a little crazy. But at the

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same time, when God calls you
to do something is step forward by faith

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and do it. Yeah, exactly. Well, the spiritual price of political

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silence the topic of your book.
I mean, you know, we look

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at you know, some you know, voting records, Christy, and let's

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just talk about the church. Only
fifty percent of church members will even bother

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to register to vote, and the
empirical evidence demonstrates that of that fifty percent,

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only fifty percent of that number will
actually go out and vote. Right.

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You know, it was people of
faith that started this country, and

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it's people of faith because of the
values. I mean, even our former

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president said that our constitution was designed
for a moral and religious people. Over

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the years, in the decades,
the recent decades, and it's had greater

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impact since the mid sixties gone forward, we've moved into this post modern Christian

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environment and look at our country now, look at where we are, and

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we have become, you know,
so immoral on so many levels that some

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have come in that says that if
God doesn't judge America, he owes Sodom

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and Gomorrah an apology. Yeah,
I mean, it has been a long

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time coming. And the more I
did in researching for this book, the

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more I realized it has been around
longer than I ever imagined. There has

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been a concerted effort by cultural Marxists
and by academic philosophers who truly believe in

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humanism and want to see that implemented
into our country. They failed in other

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places, and you know, those
who believe that there's a utopia coming because

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of their own evolution. When they
experiment on as civilization and it fails,

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it's never their fault. They feel
like they just didn't do it right and

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targeted America early on, and they
have infiltrated our schools, our universities,

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our media. They have erased our
history, they have twisted facts, they

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have intimidated people of faith from being
involved all with the goal of making sure

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that cultural Marxism and humanism is the
religion that permeates America. And I think

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the Church was caught unawares. I
believe that, you know, there was

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a division in the church from what
I have studied way back, and half

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of them decided that government was the
answer, and they handed over, you

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know, some of the things that
the church usually does to the government,

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and the other half decided that politics
was too ugly. And when you look

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at the founding and you look at
the structure of our government, there was

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never any intention of people of faith
removing themselves from the public arena. There

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was always reliance on that. And
that's why I say it is a birthright.

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It is something that comes as a
blessing but also a responsibility. And

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we have been led to believe that
not only are we not welcome, but

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that we don't know very much.
And you know, there's a story in

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my book that was just a poignant
moment for me, in one of those

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aha moments where I just kind of
connected the dots and God said, this

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is why you need to be involved. And we were talking to a man

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who was I believe he was from
Lithuania and it was one of the Eastern

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Bloc countries that had been part of
the USSR under communism, and so he

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had grown up under communism, and
I was very curious. I had heard

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from missionaries and from people that had
gone on missions trips there what it was

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like, and so I asked him, I said, well, could you

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go to church? Did you have
freedom of choice to choose what church you

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went to? And he looked at
me and just kind of laughed and he

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said, well, yeah, of
course we did. And I said you

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did. Well, well that's good
to know. I mean, how did

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that work under communism? And he
said, well, we could go to

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any church we wanted to, as
long as we didn't want to go to

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college. And I said, why
couldn't you go to college? He said,

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well, if you were a person
of faith, you weren't scientific.

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So the government was deciding that if
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could not be a doctor, you
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that in America today, where I
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with a person who was a person
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believes in creation being interviewed by a
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So we're seeing that being implemented,
and they're starting to put us in

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boxes and relegate us to only certain
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being involved, it's going to get
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you know, our First Amendment has
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that were instituted to protect uh,
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our creativity and uh and and development
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like in communist countries, you are
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another, compelled to fall lockstep with
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and you know the political perspective.
If not, you know, they've got

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ways to to change you. I
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a noted national political figure that has
suggested that the basket of deplorables,

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you know, those of us of
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be institutionalized and reprogrammed. And this
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public without any pushback. What's soever, And this is what happens with totalitarianism

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and Marxist is they first throw it
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then they just keep on pushing further
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and we're moving in the wrong direction. And it is really a requirement of

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people of faith of the church to
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and to again re embrace its reason
to exist. You know why Jesus went

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to the cross and why he left
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we were going to have these kind
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he knew it. And you know, we are armed and as long

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as we arm ourselves with the truth, we can be bold and we can

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be confident that we go into the
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exactly what people are looking for.
People are looking and they're they're hungry for

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the truth. I've never seen seen
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have seen with this new generation,
possibly because they have been you know,

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taught and almost indoctrinated with false teachings, and that can only satisfy to a

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certain point if you give them truth. They're hungry for it. And I

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have seen signs of renewal and a
revival across the country. That's exactly what

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we need. We have to start
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It starts there. You know,
a lot of people think that Hollywood determines

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culture, you know, and even
politics can affect our culture. And you

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know what is this ugliness and victoria. Well, it's because the Church hasn't

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shown up, hasn't been a part
of those conversations. And we actually,

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as Americans, we the people,
determine our culture. We determine the culture

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in our homes and in our churches, and in our communities and in our

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schools. So it has to start
with us. But I truly believe there

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is a renewal happening that we've been
praying for for a long time. I

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just pray it's not too late,
and I pray that there is enough of

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a remnant to be strong and bold
and to understand what we have to offer

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and why we have to be there
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in a kind way, in a
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with understanding. But we really need
to unify people. It's not about being

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a social media warrior and having debates
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our family with kindness and love,
asking poignant questions at Thanksgiving. I mean,

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for a long time, the monster
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religion and politics, right right,
it's you know. But I really think

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we need to change that, and
there's a way to talk about it in

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love and kindness. And one of
the ways that I've found is very effective

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is just listening first and then asking
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it knowing, so you that's why
I put in my book a refresher course

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on our Judeo Christian founding, and
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humanist Marxist how did this culture happen? There is a history to it,

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and so I put that in a
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it. And really their target is
taking down the authoritarian is that these are

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their words, the authoritarian structure of
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one, and we see that being
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So if we start in our homes
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great great grandfather, great grandmother actually
a times great grandmother. Her last words

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on her dying bed was be valiant
for truth. And if we do that

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in our homes, it will change
the culture Wow, what a great warning

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that many years ago. And this
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And what the Left and the Marxists
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to move off of absolute truth to
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look where it's gotten us, right
exactly. Yeah, there's no such

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thing as my truth and your truth. There is only God's truth. Amen.

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And we can't, you know,
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well, I just I don't want
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to you know, cause any controversy, well, christ was controversial, and

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yet he showed so much love and
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you're going to have to expect if
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that you're going to stand for truth. There are there is going to be

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pushback, and people aren't going to
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be the most favorite people you know, person on the block sometimes. But

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if you speak it in love,
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Christy, I got to tell you, in terms of speaking and love,

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the launch point. It starts with
your assessment of how much God has

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forgiven you. Yes, and when
you come into you know, these conversations

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are these circles. With that in
mind, it is quite humbling and it's

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engaging for others because you know sometimes
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you've got to approach this in love, Well what does that mean? How

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is that communicated? And I have
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much God has forgiven me, boy, you approach these topics and people in

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a different sort of way. There's
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for condemnation. You're not looking for
a rock to pick up, right,

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you know, you're thankful that God
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you this other person that you know, whose sin is probably quite minor by

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comparison. You know, as Jesus
said, hey, before you take the

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splinter out of your buddy's eyes,
maybe you got to take a look at

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that two by four that's sticking out
of your eyes. Right. So true,

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it's so true. Yeah. So
that's why I think, you know,

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being a social media warrior and getting
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total strangers is just pointless. Uh. It really needs to start in our

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own hearts, you know, realizing
what we've been given and how blessed and

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forgiven we we are, and then
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the truth and the kindness that we
can share with others, and you know,

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the uh, the the actual you
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really reliant on us knowing. We
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to experience it first. And that's
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our way. Our true history has
been hidden or or twisted changed. And

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I also believe that we don't want
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history that we deny reality. Uh, there wasn't a lot of ugliness that

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happened in the growth of our young
nation. There were wrongs that were done

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to people. There were in my
own family. As I did my own

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research on my own family, it
was shocking what my family had to go

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through and what they had to overcome. Why my grandmother wouldn't talk about certain

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things because she was afraid and socially
of the repercussions of people knew this or

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that. So we have to realize
that let's talk about it all, and

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let's realize that we actually have the
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God and his word exactly well,
and you know, as as you say,

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is that when we bring it out
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there. And what's happened is that, unfortunately, as you mentioned earlier,

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you've got these Marxists and communists who
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They've rewritten things, they've made up
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It is not a fair assessment of
right we are because look at the country

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you know, came together with these
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declaration of independence, a constitution that
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We knew that we were coming in
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Our founding fathers, you know,
left that in there so that it

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would be an encouragement, It would
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a lighthouse, so to speak,
to move them in a courageous direction

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to do something about slavery. Yes, and you know, and thank god,

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look look what we did. We
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it. How many other nations on
the planet in the history did as much

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as America did just on that one
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And you know it does us,
it really does us good. If

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we were to look back at history
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what did we overcome? Why were
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different issues, whether it's slavery or
whether it's you know, the trail of

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tears, or or whether it's the
fight over abortion or just all of those

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issues that we have had to deal
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many people involved in that discussion and
then eventually sometimes you know, and all

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out war about things like that,
and let's let's talk about it. Let's

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not hide it. Let's not say
it's all hunky door. It wasn't.

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It wasn't a beautiful thing, and
human nature is going to falter and fail.

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So we really need to be honest
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in a fair way. Uh.
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I mean, we had people fighting
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the same family, you know,
from Kentucky. I have pictures of my

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ancestors, you know, one in
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we're living out the actual reality of
that. So you know, when you

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look at that and you say,
wow, look how far you know we've

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actually come. Look at the sacrifices
that were made and the battles that were

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fought. So where do we go
from here? How do we come together

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as a nation. And one thing
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I've gone overseas and I've been on
congressional delegation trips, uh where we're representing

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America to other countries, we have
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this happened on the Mount of Beatitudes. We had our tour guide who said

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he was not I yes, yeah, go ahead. He wanted us to

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know America has done this thing that
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You've been a light to the world, and we're asking you not to stop.

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I had another gentleman say, we
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We appreciate everything you've stood for.
Thank you for what you did in World

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War Two. Just don't don't export
your morals. Wow. What a hard

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thing to hear. And yet at
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what he's saying. I understand we
have to get our own house in order

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before we can help others. Yeah, with without a doubt. And that

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and that story about the tour guide
who you know, it was interesting because

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when I went to Israel too,
that was a you know, a little

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bit of a shock for me because
you're going to the Holy Land and you

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think, gosh, here you are. You're going where Jesus walked. You

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know, everybody here must be religious
and spiritual, and you and you saw

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so much you go gosh. In
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It is so secularized and and and
it really my heart ached for the Holy

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Land in thinking that you know,
here we are are you know, the

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children of Israel repeating past mistakes and
as you say, you know, even

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in America, in disrespecting their birthright. And we know from the Bible,

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you know what happened when another player
disregarded his birthright. God said that it

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was Esau he hated, Jacob he
loved, and it was Esau who rejected

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his birthright. So there's something rather
hollow and sanctified about your birth right.

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And I think that what you've touched
on here, Christian people of faith are

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going to get this. They understand
the significance of this is that we should

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not take the birthright that we have
here as American citizens, as a country

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that has been blessed by God Almighty
himself. Because you know, I don't

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care what anybody says, without God, America doesn't happen. Yes, so

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true. I mean, so if
we take our birthright for granted, similar

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to what Esau did, and we
enjoy the abundance without understanding the root of

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the abundance, it will not be
there for our children. So if we

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expect them to enjoy the blessings of
freedom like we have, at a certain

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point, when we become an adult
and we become a contributing member of society,

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at a certain point we have to
realize that we have enjoyed the blessings

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of abundance because of the root of
faith, and now it is our turn

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to take up the role of responsibility
and be engaged and involved and ensure that

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it continues. And part of that
is understanding our history, understanding where we

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came from, what we've come through, and why God has blessed us,

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and staying true to that. Well, we're talking with Christy Stutsman, her

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book The Spiritual Price of Political Silence, Christie's small business owner, a music

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composer, a former teacher and state
legislator. Christy, you mentioned abortion and

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I want to I want to address
this. I mean, after forty nine

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years the Supreme Court decided to put
the issue of abortion back to the fifty

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States, where even many commentators forty
nine to fifty years ago agreed that's where

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it should be. But still it
continues to be a lightning rod. And

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I think that again relevant to you
know, political silence, is that the

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church should be able to lead the
way here in a very positive manner,

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with compassion and understanding that you know, probably when you look out over the

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pews every Sunday morning, pastors are
probably seeing about a third, it's been

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estimated, according to Barnard research,
a third of those sitting in the pew

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have been involved with an abortion.
The church doesn't want to talk about it.

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It has remained silent. I think
it's unfortunate because there is healing that

410
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.799
needs to take place there for people
that have been involved with abortion, and

411
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:48.839
that we need to realign, you
know, our own constitution, our own

412
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:56.440
understanding, and certainly the political perspective
of how God sees life. And it's

413
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black and white. It's not gray. It's either life or it's death,

414
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.279
isn't it, Yes, it is. And you know, I really like

415
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.200
the fact that you point it to
the need for the church to have compassion.

416
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:15.400
When you talk to friends and neighbors, you'll never know how close abortion

417
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.759
is in their lives or to you. If you've never experienced it, you

418
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.839
probably know someone who has been touched
by it in some way. And so

419
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:30.799
I think it's very, very important
as people of faith and believers to be

420
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.559
careful in the words we pick and
not being so condemnatory of people who might

421
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:44.200
have been misled or might misunderstand what
actually happens when God gives life. And

422
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.920
so there's been a lot of misinformation
spread for many, many years. In

423
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.960
fact, I'm going to give you
a little insight into my age, which

424
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.119
is not I'm not supposed to do
that as a woman, but I am

425
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.960
as old as the Roe v.
Way decision, and when it was past

426
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.519
I could have been aborted. I
mean at that point, you know.

427
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.480
And so my generation grew up never
knowing any other situation other than it being

428
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legal. The fact that it is
now been overturned and has been sent back

429
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.519
to the States is a huge win. But at the same time, we

430
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.079
also have to be aware that the
fight will never be over until all hearts

431
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:29.119
are reached with the truth about abortion, about scripture, about their freedom in

432
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.400
Christ and so and a lot of
church members were misled as well, and

433
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.680
so we really have some education to
do, some love and reaching out to

434
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.839
people on an issue that is very, very hard for a lot of people

435
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.519
to talk about. And so there's
been a divide in the pro life movement

436
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:52.240
and it's broken my heart to see
that some people have come in and said,

437
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.359
you know, end it now,
and there's repercussions for everybody involved and

438
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.440
send them all to jail. And
I don't adhere to that mentality at all.

439
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:07.559
I truly believe that there's been misunderstanding
and misleading of people, miseducation about

440
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.480
the whole issue, and we really
have to start there. And the science

441
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.400
is with us. That's what's so
wonderful is that the science backs up life.

442
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:21.239
And that's just a wonderful thing to
be able to realize into study.

443
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.719
Yeah, I agree, put the
stones down. You know, we need

444
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.559
to put the stones down. Nobody
needs to get clobbered here. We were

445
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:37.039
lied to the Supreme Court, the
movement planned parenthood, the genesis Margaret Sanger,

446
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:44.400
although this was the system was rigged, and it was rigged against the

447
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:52.199
truth. And so you know,
a culture bought into this we killed over

448
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:57.280
a million babies, over one hundred
million babies. I'm sorry, in the

449
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:02.239
forty nine year history, we still
canine you to murder babies to this day,

450
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:08.159
and we pray that you know that
everyone would come to the knowledge,

451
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:15.840
the knowledge and wisdom of God and
Jesus Christ and understand how precious life is

452
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.280
and that there are there, there
are remedies that if you have a mindset

453
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.960
of life, because that's that's the
intersection that we're at in this culture.

454
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.639
It's either life or it's death.
There's nothing in between. And so if

455
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.320
you're thinking of life, then you
come up with solutions that promote life,

456
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.679
like abortion. Like these pregnancy care
centers that are opening up. Christy,

457
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.320
I don't know if you know this, but we've got pregnancy care centers that

458
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:51.519
are working with women and fathers,
you know, future fathers that suddenly you

459
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.800
know, I'm a dad and you
know, and all the complications of that,

460
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.440
and they're coming alongside and helping them, you know. And and you

461
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.639
have more of those opening up than
planned parenthood centers. So that hope,

462
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.920
right, you see a generation that
has lived the consequences of abortion. Yes,

463
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.559
so when you actually live it it's
hard to lie to you about what

464
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:22.440
the consequences are because you've lived it. And so when you've lived it and

465
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:28.039
you've experienced the pain and the repercussions
of that decision, not having realized what

466
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.320
you were going to face if you
did this, and then you live a

467
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.639
life that is affected by it.
And that's happened to a whole generation or

468
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:40.599
two. Now you can't you can't
snow them anymore. They know it,

469
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.400
they know what actually happened to them, and so then they start looking for

470
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.920
answers and for healing. And so
that's why you see so many of them

471
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.079
popping up, because there is a
generation who knows the truth now personally,

472
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.199
and they are going to not only
look for the truth, but they're going

473
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.519
once they find it, they're going
to share it with others. And that's

474
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.400
why there's so many ministries that are
post abortion, you know, for fathers

475
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.039
and mothers. There's healing out there. Why because there's people that have lived

476
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.519
it and they found the truth and
now they want to share it with others

477
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.480
well. And this is what caused
the Dobs decision. It was organic forty

478
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:28.559
nine years of experience of death buying
into the lie and a mother's who bought

479
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.679
into this idea that was going to
be safe and rare found out otherwise.

480
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.320
They found out that it wasn't just
a tumor, that it is a baby,

481
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.320
and you know, call it a
fetus and call it whatever you want,

482
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:50.320
some nondescript name that justifies your decision
to you know, to kill your

483
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.960
child, to murder your child.
And the realization, as you said,

484
00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:00.199
for women, and what they started
doing was telling their story and saying I

485
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:07.960
regret it, the grandparents regret it, my husband, we all were broken

486
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:15.000
hearted over it. And I keep
telling people anecdotally oftentimes when we get into

487
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.800
this conversation and I'm talking with women, even men who have experienced abortion,

488
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.159
Christy, they will tell me,
oh, my child has been seven today,

489
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.599
or my child would have been fourteen. I mean, do you do

490
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:31.000
you keep count of a nondescript tumor
in terms of age? You say,

491
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.079
oh, well have been seven years
old today. No, And you wouldn't

492
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.360
cry over some tumor that's been exercised
out of your body, you know.

493
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.199
But women are heartbroken, and my
heart aches, and and even for men,

494
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:51.440
and I think it's it's to God's
grace and mercy that even men are

495
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.599
waking up and realizing, my God, you know, I you know,

496
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.079
I killed my child. And I
tell this story that I was interviewing a

497
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.079
director. He was a film director, and he was doing a movie on

498
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.280
Roe V. Wade, and I
was relating to him, just as I'm

499
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.800
relating to you and talking about you
know, how women will say to me

500
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.920
that their child would have been a
certain age. And I was looking,

501
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.239
I was looking at my notes,
and he was sitting right across from me.

502
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.280
We were at a convention, and
when I looked up, I saw

503
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.079
tears coming down his face and he
said, Bill, my child, my

504
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:30.559
son. He says, my son
would have been eighteen. And it crushed

505
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.400
me, you know, it crushed
me to experience the pain that he was

506
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.519
going through. Like you said,
it's in the church just as much as

507
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.599
it is anywhere else, right,
people of faith, really, And there

508
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:50.159
were different reasons for it. Whether
it was fear, you know that the

509
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.239
young lady decided to have an abortion
because you know, she didn't want to

510
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.760
tell her family, or whether it
was just believing the lies. Whatever it

511
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.719
was, there was a great cloud
of darkness that was placed on our country

512
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.559
with that decision, and I truly
believe that, you know, at that

513
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:13.840
time of the decision, I don't
think the church was prepared with scientific answers,

514
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.880
much less answers of faith. And
we are so blessed to have so

515
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.559
much scientific advancement in prenatal care and
you know, preborn care. I mean

516
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:29.039
they're doing surgeries on children still in
the womb. So I mean, we

517
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.679
know so much more now. And
you know, my dad used to say,

518
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.119
you're only responsible for what you know. But you are responsible for what

519
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.360
you know, so you better do
something good with it. And once we

520
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:46.920
know something, then we have the
responsibility and the duty as people of faith

521
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.000
and Christians and believers in America to
actually be armed with the truth and speak

522
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.639
out about even issues like this.
It's extremely important in order to save lives.

523
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.280
Well, when I look back at
church history, Christie, back in

524
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.519
the thirties, there were voices warning
I mean, first it was about birth

525
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.280
control, and they took exception to
us, says, look, we're going

526
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.039
to go down to slippery slide here, this is going to lead to in

527
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.199
fantaside. Oh no, no.
They were canceled, and all the pressure

528
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:21.480
against them and everything, and the
very thing they warned us about is what's

529
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:27.039
been realized. And so you're exactly
right with today we have little excuse with

530
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.960
all the medical advancement and what we
know now. You know, with sonograms,

531
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.400
you see the child, you know, growing in a mother's womb,

532
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:38.960
and you see the heartbeat and and
you know, and it's just, you

533
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:43.599
know, for those of us with
faith, we look at that and we

534
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.920
just magnify God because it is such
a miracle. Isn't it beautiful? It's

535
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:53.159
absolutely beautiful. I'm so thankful for
the organizations that are out there trying to

536
00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:00.280
provide you know, ultrasound machines and
sonograms and just information to people because as

537
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.920
once a mother sees that on the
screen, it is almost impossible for her

538
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.119
to just walk away and not be
changed in some way. So it definitely

539
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.239
is I think, you know,
we have become bolder on this issue.

540
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.920
We have had to do a long, hard look in the mirror when it

541
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.320
comes to do we understand this and
why don't why weren't we prepared and what

542
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.800
can we arm ourselves with now?
And I you know, I've been part

543
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:32.880
of several pro life groups trying to
just raise awareness of the facts. You

544
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:39.320
know, regarding life and the effects
that an abortion has on someone and and

545
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.159
the lives that are being taken.
I mean all of that. It's taken

546
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.280
a long time, has taken fifty
years to actually kind of get our bearings

547
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.039
and be able to have a you
know, a change in the culture,

548
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.480
to actually affect the culture with what
we have found and what we have discovered.

549
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.639
And boy, what a blessing to
have scientific advancement on our side as

550
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:06.159
well well. Christy, we have
to be able to verbalize a consistent,

551
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:13.920
compassionate message about abortion because the left
is hijacked it. They're using it as

552
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.320
an emotional political wedge issue to get
their way in much the same way as

553
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.360
we talked early on right. I
mean, you may not be able to,

554
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.440
you know, convince people, but
you can force people into thinking a

555
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.960
certain way. And this is where
the truth of God needs to be magnified

556
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:37.360
and brought out in such a way
that, you know, in love with

557
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:43.719
compassion, we address this issue that
you know is now back with the states,

558
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.519
and it's up to the states individually
to make a decision because you know,

559
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.000
yes, an election. I'm still
scratching my head in Ohio. I

560
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:59.199
don't understand how a you know,
a predominantly mostly red state could come up

561
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.320
with the decision that they came with. Well, we, yeah, we

562
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.039
definitely have work to do. A
lot of people think that once Rob Wade

563
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.599
was overturned, we're done right,
we won. No. No, the

564
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.440
fight still continues and the other side
will never give up. It is one

565
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.480
of their tenants of their faith,
is how I like to describe it.

566
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:24.280
They will not let go of that
doctrine of humanism because without that, all

567
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:28.239
of a sudden, you humanize an
unborn child, and they cannot allow that.

568
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.679
And so we have to be careful
too that on our side, we

569
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.079
don't think, first of all,
that it's over. And second of all,

570
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.719
we cannot come in guns blazing and
look at the people that have actually

571
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.119
been in the pro life movement and
the fight, and I know some who've

572
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:49.159
been there since nineteen seventy three who
were part of that initial pushback and had

573
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.440
been fighting ever since. We can't
come in and say, you know,

574
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.679
you didn't do enough. We're going
to end it now, and this is

575
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.719
how we're going to do it,
because guess what, I don't think the

576
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.320
fight will ever be over. We
have to continue be vigilant. And that's

577
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.719
what the founder said. You know, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

578
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.599
The price of life is eternal vigilance. We can't stop youah, three

579
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.119
hundred and fifty million people here in
America, three hundred and fifty million choices

580
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.440
to be made, three hundred and
fifty million hearts to be changed and brought

581
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:23.159
into alignment with our Lord and savior
Jesus Christ. And what will truly because

582
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:29.079
all this whole situation in terms of
you know, the political sphere that we're

583
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.519
talking about, and what God gave
us got you know, the ultimate gift

584
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.199
that God gave us was liberty,
was freedom, and here America has been

585
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.639
the manifestation of said liberties and freedom, and we're losing those, you know,

586
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.679
step by step? Is you unpacked? And you said, here it

587
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:51.280
is. You've had this socialistic movement
that is coming. It has invaded every

588
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.599
aspect, every institution, are families, and we've got to see it for

589
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.280
what it is and cast it out, don't we. I mean, it's

590
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.679
our choice. We're still in that
position, aren't we. It's a lot

591
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.639
of work. It is a lot
of work. Vigilance isn't fun. I

592
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.039
mean vigilance means every day listening to
what your children are learning, every day,

593
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.400
researching you know, whether it's the
curriculums. In fact, I had

594
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.559
an experience with my son in high
school, actually in college as well,

595
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:24.079
but bringing home reading material that was
not okay, and this was an assignment

596
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.800
and having a back and forth with
the teacher that took extra time out of

597
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.800
my schedule as a small business owner. And I've had deadlines to meet and

598
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:37.320
things to do. Why was I
taking that time? Because it matters to

599
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.360
me what my child is taught and
the principles he's being indoctrinated with in school.

600
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.039
And I have to be the buffer
zone. I have to be the

601
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.679
person because God gave him to me
as my child. It's my responsibility to

602
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.960
make sure that he is given the
truth and he's given a free and open

603
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.079
debate and so that the truth can
win out. Because when you have a

604
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.400
fair playing field and you're not like
as a teacher, coming in and intimidating

605
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.320
children into believing what you believe.
Personally, you have to create an open

606
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.719
dialogue and especially with your children and
your home and say, okay, tell

607
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.840
me why you think that, and
then you have to be prepared with the

608
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.400
answers, and you have to know
where to point them to in order to

609
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.119
combat anything that they are you know, hearing and believing that might be false.

610
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.719
You know, Christy, you touched
on something that's so significant, and

611
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:32.440
that is that you know our responsibility
as parents, you know, from the

612
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.880
moment of conception all the way through. You know, our generation has been

613
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:44.679
quite spoiled and entitled. We've taken
so much for granted, and we've thought

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that we could put our heels up
on the desk and you know, be

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very casual about this. But again, part of our birthright is the vigilance

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that you talk about, the way
we honor this birthright that God has given

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us the responsibility of raising our children
in a godly manner. I mean,

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God was so serious about this that
even in the Old Testament when you read,

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I mean he admonished those he said, look at you know, you

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need to talk to your children,
you know, when you sleep, when

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you wake up, when you're walking, you know, together, this is

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how important this is, that they're
most important. And you know we've all

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made that mistake to think that well, our business and the urgency of business

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issues took president over over our families. And you know we've fallen, we've

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fallen into that, But that doesn't
mean just because we've fallen into it that

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we need to stay there right right, exactly now. And we do have

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the capability to wake up and decide
we're not going to be lazy today.

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We're going to be proactive with our
children, with our community, with our

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neighbors, with our church. We
have that individual decision to make. And

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I believe you know, when Abraham
prayed for a remnant, you know,

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uh, if there's a remnant,
Lord, then will you will you spare

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the city? I think we need
to be on our knees asking God to

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allow us to enlarge our remnant and
to allow the remnant to be actively involved

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and to be aware and to be
speaking out boldly, uh, with with

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kindness and with love, but with
confidence that we have the answers well.

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And it starts with how we think. And I've been saying here recently,

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Christy, I just believe that the
Spirit has brought this into my orbit and

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says, you know, we must
think better, we must do better,

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we must be better. And and
and that doesn't say, look at I

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want you to be one hundred percent
more, just be a little bit better,

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you know, Yeah, that might
be some personal sacrifice, you know,

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I mean it is a personal sacrifice
to take time out of your busy

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schedule too, or to you know, donate to a cause, or to

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roll up your sleeves and be a
part of a board. You know,

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that's making a difference. It all, it all is a sacrifice. But

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when you think about the sacrifices that
have been made, you know, by

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others, for us, it's it's
really nothing compared to what other other generations

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have had to live through, compared
to a Christ did on the cross,

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And so we've we've been asked to
do so little. I think that you

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know, it's time for us to
realize that it might make some bigger it

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might take some bigger sacrifices on our
part to actually turn this thing around.

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And it's not going to turn around
overnight. One thing that I learned serving

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in office and also watching my husband
serve, is that government works slowly.

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It was never meant to be a
pretty uh process. Uh, the process

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is kind of ugly because human nature
is it at play, and everybody has

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a different perspective and we're supposed to
have an open dialogue about different issues.

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It's going to get ugly. At
the same time, we cannot be so

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used to while in our business,
we're going to make this decision and so

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we're going to fix this problem.
It's totally different. In government. You

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have to work with others and you
have to win them to your side.

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And so it's gonna take patience on
our part, I think, is what

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I'm trying to say. We need
patience, you know, to and you

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know it was patients on the part
of the cultural Marxist, the targeted America.

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This has taken close yeah, exactly
right. Yes, well, yes,

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and so it's going to take a
long time for us. And uh.

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And and I'm going to leave our
audience, uh with what you said

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earlier, and that is we must
be valiant for the truth and this must

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be this must be absolutely foundational.
We can stand on the truth and there

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is absolute truth. Uh. Not
buy into that narrative that it is relative.

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That's a lie. Instantly, Uh. Christie's Stutsman, thank you so

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much for the time. Congratulations on
the book, which is available at all

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the usual places. The Spiritual Price
of political Silence. Again, we appreciate

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the time you take care. Thank
you so much, I appreciate it.

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Our gratitude and thanks to Christie Stutsman
for being on the show today, and

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thank you for sharing a part of
your day with us. May God bless

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you and keep you, May make
his face shine upon you and be gracious

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unto you and give you his piece. Thanks again for being with us.

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God bless and Happy Thanksgiving.