The Multicultural Time Bomb Is Exploding-Victims Are Now To Blame

0:00 The topics and opinions express in the following show are solely those of the hosts and their guests, and not those of W FOURCY Radio. It's employees are affiliates. We make no recommendations or endorsements for radio show programs, services, or products mentioned on air or on our web. No liability, explicit or implied shall be extended to W four c Y Radio or it's employees are affiliates. Any questions or comments should be directed to those show hosts. Thank you for choosing W FOURCY Radio. Well, hello and welcome. This is Bill Martinez and we are live. You know, so much is happening around our world. Borders are being invaded, especially ours here in the southern border in the North as well, if the truth be known. But the fact of the matter is is that this global movement to embrace this multic culturalism dynamic that is happening not only here in America but around the world. And I think that we can learn a lot from what's happening in other countries. Last month, our next guest writes in his latest column that the famed psychologist Jordan Peterson called multiculturalism a miracle of stupidity. First of all, we've always had a multicultural world, right well, and that's why he says there's been wars.

1:30 So along with multiculturalism goes wars when the cultures don't get along. It's pretty much that simple. Selwyn Duke, who is a writer for The New American, is clearing up the confusion over the oppressor oppressed victim dialectic. I know that's a mouthful and there's a lot to break down here, but really, when you break it down, you realize it's not all that complex, is it, Selwyn Duke? Not in a way, because truth doesn't change, right. It's always the same and was the same ten thousand years ago as it is today, It'll be the same ten thousand years from now. So the truth is is that a lot of people bill try to make things complicated because they don't want to accept what the truth is, so they rationalize and they go through all these intellectual contortions. Right well, I think sometimes what happens is because they graduated from elite school and they have to come up with a new language and sound so uber intelligent. So I think just on purpose, they make things complex, because after all, you know, they were the ones that invested a quarter of a million dollars in this education, and they got this beautiful diploma that says that they must be the elite of the elite, and so they get to show off for us, right right, right, Well, George Orwell once said some ideas are so preposterous or so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them. And it really is true.

2:58 And I've often lamented that we've replaced wise men with intellectuals. We don't really need intellectuals. We need wise men. We need that safe a you know, that stereotypical thing. But yes, absolutely some people are really educated beyond their intelligence and educated out of their common sense, right without a doubt. And you bring up a good point here, because wise men, you know, doesn't necessarily have to be associated with an age. Sometimes you have a wise person that could be, you know, four or five years old and say it looks to me like the king is not wearing any clothes, right, absolutely, you know, you have to remember people have different gifts.

3:39 Built some people have the gift of wisdom. They do. And if you take someone like that and you age him a number of decades, then you really have something and you don't acquire wisdom in an Ivy League school, in the halls of academia, in the halls of politics or power. Wisdom is something that again can be a gift and then you can cullivated, but you cultivate it by seeking truth and developing discernment. That's how you do it. Well, what happens when you have a culture that wants to abandon the source of wisdom, the gift giver, then you know, that really puts you behind the eight ball and at a disadvantage because you're ignoring the very source of wisdom in the process of claiming your own intellect. So in other words, you're going to discredit God and put you and put yourself in God's position, like that's never been done before, right right, right, Well, you have to remember the whole idea that there is such thing as wisdom is predicated on the idea that God exists. Because what is wisdom it's properly defined.

4:46 I'm not talking about some new fangle definition, but it's properly defined as quote, knowledge of what is good or true. Now, what is true? True refers to truth. And if there's no God, there's no truth, then everything is just real. And then there can't really be any wisdom. It's whatever works for you. And then everything boils down to that formulation occultist so Lester Crowley put out where he said, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. So when we're talking about wisdom, we're talking about discerning truth. When we're talking about truth, we're talking about something that comes from God, that's objective and that exists apart from man exactly. And what I have been seeing here and I say being allowed to see and bear witness to Selwyn, is the fact that there is a definite infrastructure and design to this whole universe. And so that when we are true and we're operating in rhythm with the infrastructure of said universe, it goes well for us.

5:46 In other words, you know, if we want to be silly and violate gravity, for example, we find out when we hit the ground, maybe not a bad idea. We probably don't want to do that again, depending on our hurt we got. But regardless, because sometimes there's just some people go, nah, maybe it was just an anomaly. I can try jumping off this building one more time, until they finally realize no, it's pretty much a law. It's consistent, it is consistent with the infrastructure that has been designed for our use and our benefit. And when we violate that, we pay a price, don't we Well, we do, we do. I mean, look, I'm not the biggest fan of iron Rand, but she did say one thing. I like this quotation. She said, you can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of exactly reality. And the bottom line is that everything boils down truth. And for instance, you open talking about multiculturalism, which I've written about recently, multiculturalism can only be entertained by people who are moral relativists. Now why do I say this, Well, I said this many years ago that multiculturalism, now follow this here, really is a trojan horse for moral relativism, because multiculturalism always held that all cultures are morally equal. The problem with that is that since different cultures espouse different values, not all cultures can be equal unless all values are equal.

7:10 Exactly, say that all values are equal. That's moral relativism. It's obviously not true, and that way lies destruction. And this is why it's so important to be more to God, to be more to truth, because then you look at things for the discerning eye. You don't say, well, let's just take any in every culture into our country. Let's see how it all works out. After all, they're all equal. It's like a flavor of the day. It's like ice cream. It's a matter of taste. You try it to see what you like. No, you approach it with that discerning eye, and you say, okay, wait a second, here's what this culture says. Here's what that culture says. Is going to be compatible with our culture. Is it going to make us better or is it going to make us worse? Exactly? Question? Right and clearly.

7:54 I mean, just as a quick example, we saw what happened with Israel and Hamas. Right, Hamas what Hamas did. I think most people, reasonable people would see it for what it is, that it was terror, what they did to women. You know. Benjamin ett Yahu here recently, i think the other day, finally spoke out and said to the international community, Hey, hello, it's been eight weeks Jewish women were raped. They were you know which, Oh yeah, by the way, you guys keep talking about, you know, war crimes. Clearly a war crime, raped, dragged naked in the streets, and the other thing that hasn't really been brought to bear on this, Selwyn, is that you had Palestinians in the streets cheering this on, So you know, going and talking about what and bringing reference to what you were saying in terms of value, You've got to consider what are the values of the Palestinians that would cheer on a woman who has been being drag naked in the streets of their city. And nobody stepped forward to say this is wrong. No one, Yeah, well, absolutely absolutely, And this is a problem we're seeing all over the world. We're seeing this conflict between certain Islamic cultures and others. We see it in Nigeria, we see it in the Philippines, in many, many places. So anyone who thinks it's just a function of Israeli's presence in the Middle East,

9:26 or it's just a function of the Jewish situation, no, it's not. And I often point this out. Now this is a political incorrectness alert. I'm going to say something very politically incorrect. But there was an interesting study that was released in Germany in twenty ten I think it was, and what they did was they studied forty five thousand youths and what they found Bill was that with increasing religiosity, Christian youths became less violent, but with increasing religiosity Muslim youths became more violent. Right now, that's very very interesting. Now we can discuss why that is if you're interested. I certainly have some ideas. Well, let's just let's go ahead, Ben, since you brought it up. I think it's important to understand because this is something we've been talking on the radio show as well, Sewyn, is that when you look at the difference between the left and right, it would seem that the consistent theme of that on the left seems to rhyme with destruction and loss of life.

10:22 That seems to be a consistent attribute with the left, whereas on the right, I'm not seeing, you know, damage of property. I'm not seeing a lot of smash and grab coming out of those from the right. If I might put it in terms of left and right, right, well absolutely, I mean I guess we're going off with a tangent, but sure I've often made that point. You have leftist propagandists and the media and politics trying to portray it as if the right is responsible for all the violence, When I have to say they're really projecting there, because if you look at the reality of the situation, they January sixth now as their Reichstag fire moment.

11:03 But the truth is, as we know, there were government agents there trying to foment problems. We know there were ajon provocateurs among the crowd for one thing. Not only that, that was one instance, it was not an insurrection. You want to talk about violence, Well, here was a real insurrection. You had the Chaz Insurrection Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone that was in Seattle, right, and they actually said they were starting their own country. We have the leader of that little uprising, ras Simone video of him giving a follower in AAR fifteen from the trunk of his car, and as far as I know, nothing has happened to him. He hasn't even been brought up on charges. But that was a real insurrection. Now, admittedly I'm not going to overstate the case. It was a lame one, but it was an insurrection. Nonetheless, Then we had the six hundred plus violent left wing riots in twenty twenty. Has everyone forgotten about that? We had I think it was in May twenty two, the attack on the White House, which was so egregious that Trump had to be ushered into an underground bunker exactly you want to talk about, Yeah, attacking our capital city. I mean, the whole thing is just unbelievable. So the left, it perpetrates all this violence and then tries to make it seem as if its hands are clean and that the violence really originates with the right. It's unbelievable. And when you can control the media, you can propagandize people in all sorts of ways very effectively, can't you. You know, we really have turned it on its head. I mean, the Bible warns us of the time that we will

12:35 come to when evil will be called good and good will be called evil. And here we are. It is in the midst of us right now. And you know, for those of us who want to call it for what it is, not because you know so much that we want to be right, that's not the point. The deally is is that we want to return, if that's possible, to an America that you and I grew up with, that there was some hope that there was a chance to realize the American dream, and that is, you know, being able to exercise your gift and talents to be all you could be, you know, provide for your family and to live in peace. But unfortunately there are those antithical forces that have been around forever and they come and they go. Just like you say, you know, history is very clear. But if you do not take a stand against the evil when it lifts its head, then you're going to be dealing with the kind of stuff that we're dealing with here, not only in America, but around the world. We've got some thirty two wars right now that people seem to know. You know, we know about Ukraine, we know about Russia, we know about Israel and with Hamas, but there are so many other, you know, countries that are dealing with wars thirty two in total right now. Right well, absolutely you said we have to be on guard, no question. Now I'll just mention in passing, we understand now that Venezuela is pondering invading neighbor and Guyana and taking seventy eight percent

14:09 of its territory. But anyway, onto the deeper issue, you know, as far as being on guard goes. GK. Chesterton, whom I quote once in a while, put it very very well. I'll paraphrasem he said, the great flaw and conservatism is in believing that if you leave things alone, they remain the same. No, if you leave something alone, it becomes subject to a torrent of change. And that's absolutely true. You know, I often put it this way, Bill, It's like if you take a house or a car and you just let it sit somewhere in the country and you don't give it any attention. What happens, It degrades. Exactly. Constant maintenance is necessary, a continual application of energy to maintain what you have, and civilization culture is no different. Without a continual application of energy, it descends into chaos, into disorder, because things naturally move towards this order. And unfortunately we have not been vigilant in that regard. Why do you think one of our founding fathers said eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

15:11 Yeah, because actually I'm not sure if that was a founder. Yeah, right, eternal vigilance, Yeah, go ahead. Well, Ronald Reagan himself said, we're only one generation away to your point. Again, these warnings have been echoed through our history. And you know, we get busy and we take our eye off the ball, and you know, when you look at those three most powerful words and the Declaration of Independence, our constitution, we the people. It really infers you know that we must be involved in more than infers it. If you look at it in a casual approach, then you will you'll be laissez fair about your active participation in this constitutional republic. By design, it demands your participation if you check out. Just like you said, the natural regression on this plane is towards obsolescence. Yeah, well, there's no question about it. I mean, you have to remember that the default for mankind is to live in tyranny. Right for almost all of human history, that was the norm. We didn't have representative government, we didn't have the rights that we recognize today. Our founding fathers were real anomalies on the world scene. All these amazing men came together in the same place and time to create the greatest government, the greatest civilization this world has ever seen. There's no question about it. But when you understand it's an anomaly, you realize, well, that's another reason why you can't just

16:42 sit back and let nature take its course, because nature quote unquote is going to bring us back to that historical norm, that historical default tyranny. Okay, now, how do you actually contravene that? What do you do? Because we're talking a lot about problems, but people need to talk about solutions too. And now maybe I should have saved this for the end of the show, but basically I think I said this on your radio show, Bill. If we're worried about the undermining of the morals of our nation, of demoralization in that sense, well, what's the solution. The solution is the opposite moralization. Well, what does that process entail? I put it this way, if morality came in a jar, what would be in the ingredients label? Well, the virtues would be Virtue refers to that set of objectively good moral habits, and the virtues are things like carriage, hope, faith, love, chastity, charity, diligence. There's a whole host of these things. But once you understand this, it becomes very, very clear what needs to be done. You know, Bill, I had someone say to me years ago, a very nice woman talking about raising kids, well, you just have to get lucky. She was talking about raising a good kid.

17:56 She meant well, but she didn't understand what I just articulated. It's not a matter of luck. When you understand these principles of morality, then you understand this. It's like in tennis. If you want to help a kid to become good in tennis, you learn the principles of tennis and you inculcate them in the child. This is the same thing. You learn the principles of morality, namely the virtues, then you model them for kids. You try to inculcate them in kids, and you try to cultivate them in yourself and in your civilization. That is how you bring things back. And that bill is why the Founding Fathers talked so much about virtue. They they didn't just talk about freedom, No, they talked about also how virtue was a prerequisite for it. Well, they knew that our constitution was designed for a moral and righteous people. I mean that was said, I think John Adams said it specifically. And this is again, it demands vigilance where you know, just like you're saying, if you're raising a child who's playing tennis, you don't just check on him or you know, let him go out and practice tennis, you know, one time a month. This is something that he does repeatedly. You know, I like the story of Kobe Bryant.

19:10 So when he was growing up, he was one that was constantly on the basketball courts, and he realized at an early age that he was willing to put in three five hours a day into basketball while the other kids were distracted and they were doing other things. Well, look at the end result here you have. You talk about anomalies. You know, Kobe Bryant in and of himself was quite an anomaly. But it didn't happen by accident. It was on purpose, by design, wasn't it. Yes, absolutely, And that's why you know, I really want to emphasize this, getting back to tennis or other things. Parents will spend an enormous amount of money on tennis lessons or music lessons or soccer training, things that are fine in and over themselves, but basically their frivolity. But then many times they behave as if somehow their kid is going to become virtuous just naturally. No, it's the same thing that also requires focus. The Bible says train a child and the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Now, what is the operative word there? Train?

20:15 It didn't say tell, It didn't say show, it said train. We all know what training involves. Training is a process. Yes, it involves showing and telling, but also it involves a lot of practice and a lot of repetition, which is the branding iron of knowledge and of virtue. And that is very very important. And we've forgotten that in our society, haven't We We have. And the thing is is that, you know, with athletics, with sports and competition. I can tell you I grew up in an athletic family. Our dad coached us, you know, in Little League and Babe Ruth American Legion Baseball in that and we're very, very blessed to have some great coaches, the likes like coach John Wooden that didn't just you know, teach basketball. He taught citizenship. He taught these values that you're talking about. It's rare these days to have coaches like that, but when you have them, and they can be in all types of organizations and sometimes in the least that you would expect. It could be just leading a little league team or a soccer team or that. But there's coaches out there that have a heart and they're gifted in training a child up. And if you have a coach like that that is around your kid. You know, you can thank God for him and whatever you can do to support this coach.

21:45 You want to do that and come alongside, because yes, you want to have people who can help, that you can network that are doing what Selwyn is talking about, and that is we train a child. Now, there's all kinds of instructors, but just like with ideas, we need to be vigilant about, you know, who is instructing our child, who is depositing information into the minds of our kids, especially with what we've seen after COVID, when the you know, when the curtain was pulled back, Selwyn and we saw what our kids were exposed to in our public educational classrooms. Right. Well, absolutely, But what we're witnessing, which is an abomination, didn't happen overnight. This is on a result of a process. Succeeding generation has degenerated from the previous one. That is the truth. You know, people will complain about today's kids, but you have to point out who raised them. Didn't come out of nowhere. And I'm not trying to put the onus on any generation in particular, because if you talk about the generation that raised them, well, then you have to say who raised them? You know. The point is is that we talk about the founding fathers, and what you see happen in civilization is you see often some very spectacular or unusual people found a civilization and then succeeding generations really can't maintain it forever and things start to degrade. You know. It's just like if a man founds a business or a restaurant, maybe he hands it down to his son, maybe his son does a decent job, but eventually things can break down. And

23:18 unfortunately that's what has happened. And now I wrote about this just recently. Education. Education is now an absolute train wreck. There's no discipline within the context of the schools. The kids are in there, they're disrespectful towards teachers, they're cursing, there's violence, They're on their cell phones all day long. They're not learning much and this is really disastrous. And by the way, why we're allowing cell phones in school is beyond me. Obviously that should be disallowed. That's the biggest distraction in the world for all of us adults too. So it's very, very disastrous, and it's disastrous again. Thomas soul put it very very well, he said, on paraphrasing. Now, in essence, each new civilization, or each new generation, I'm sorry, is in essence an invasion of civilization by barbarians who must be civilized before it is too late. And that really is true. That's what it is with children. That's why Reagan said, you mentioned this earlier. Freedom is always just one generation away from being extinguished, because if you don't do a good job of molding the next generation, they're going to be wild, brutal people who will be incapable of maintaining a constitutional republic. You mentioned John Adams what he said in seventeen ninety eight. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

24:44 The founding fathers, many of them expressed that sentiment in different words. Edmund Burke, the Anglo Irish philosopher, said it very well. He said, it is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters. And that's what really should scare people today. Yes, not what's happening with Russia or Ukraine or even China, which is our greatest geopolitical rival. What should scare us is the fact that the moral decay is now so rapid and so widespread that we're not going to be capable of perpetuating legitimate just freedoms. No, it's they're going to be descending into tyranny if we don't write this ship and it seems Selwyn is we look at the current condition, the state of affairs, we're so close to losing it. You know, we've been saying for a number of years now that we're at the tipping point, and I believe we're at the beyond the tipping point. We're on the down side of the hill. That's why things are moving so quickly. You look at what's happened in the last five years. I mean drag queens story, our sex change, our children being mutilated. You can mail order abortion pills sent across lines, sent to young girls that are left in their apartments or their homes by themselves, without a doctor, that are going to you know, going to expel a baby and right there in their toilet. I mean what I mean how I mean speaking

26:15 of being barbaric? I mean, what is going on with our civilization. Yeah. Well, first of all, if you believe in God, then you have to think, well, is God really going to smile? And a civilization that does all these things, that violates his laws so egregiously, that basically thumbs its nose at him? And it's not that God is necessarily going to quote punish us, but he just might say, well, look, if they're not interested in me, hands off. You know, I'll just leave them alone and leave them to their own devices. But even if you don't believe in God, here, let me frame it this way. Let's say you saw a man someone close to you who was really descending down a dark hole where he was starting to do drugs more and more and drink more and more, and he wasn't showing up for work on time, and then he loses his job and he's engaging in a lot of promiscuous sexual activity and you just see him on this downward slope. Well, what are you going to conclude? You're going to say, well, hey, if there's not an intervention and a successful one, well, my friend is going to really be in a bad way. He's going to kill himself. Probably.

27:22 Well here's the thing, Bill, is it any different if you witness that with two people, or with ten, or with one thousand, or with a whole nation of people. You see, that's really a good way to analogize what's happening with our civilization. There needs to be a serious intervention, and barring that, yes, we're going to collapse, and what's going to emerge from that is not going to be something we're going to like very much. Because let me say something to all these left wingers. You talk about all these freedoms that you want, and your idea, you leftists, of freedom is very very distorted. You know, you want the freedom to engage in any kind of sexual activity, you want to express yourself however you want.

28:03 When the kind of regime that you dream about comes to fruition, you're not gonna have any of those freedoms because it's gonna clamp down hard, just like in the Soviet Union. You think they tolerated all these elements that would destabilize civilization, know because once the kind of people were talking about the tyrants have power, they no longer want these destabilizing elements running around. No way exactly hard, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they will. You're a useful idiot. Until you're no longer necessary, and once the tyrants are in control, you're unnecessary. It's like, you know, it's like, what's happening you see, you know, gays for Palestine. You know, it's like, what do you understand what you are promoting here? You're promoting an entity that as soon as they get their hands on you, they're gonna throw you off buildings and this and stuff that's made up. This is what they do. This is how they treat gay people. So you know, it's so upside down. But to your point, they will utilize these tyrants that are proposed, you know, hoping, you know, for this great utopia that the thing's going to come about. They'll take advantage of the useful idiots until they don't need them anymore, right right, Well absolutely, you know, it reminds me of the story of the Kronstat Sailors. Maybe you know about it, but it's very interesting. Well, who were the Kronstat Sailors. Well, they were, we understand, an elite group of fighting

29:37 men who were stationed at a fortress on Kronstadt Island in Russia and this was prior to the Russian Revolution. Well, what happened was these men were the sons of peasants, basically probably pretty good guys in general. Well, they fell under this way of a female poet who filled their ideas with alls filled their heads, I'm sorry, with all sorts of ideas about a worker's paradise and a utah. Well, what happened was they bought a hook line and sinker and they helped facilitate the Russian Revolution. They were instrumental, we understand, in its success. Well, so then the Soviets took power, and sometime after that these sailors started getting letters from home. Again they were the sons of peasants and whatnot. Well, they started reading about how the peasants were being abused terribly and brutalized, and one of them actually wrote, it makes me sick to my stomach to think that I was part of this.

30:30 Well, they rebelled, and what happened. They put up a very good fight, but eventually they were vanquished, and about seven or eight thousand of them escaped to Scandinavia, I believe, and the rest died in Soviet gulags. I think that's the story, and that is the story of the Cronstat sailors. It's also the story of the useful Idiot. And it's a cautionary tale because you have to remember, as I said, they were probably good men. You don't have to be a bad person to fall under the sway of evil like that, and to enable it, you just have to be someone who falls victim to lies, because we all know what the road to hell is paved with exact pretension. So again that's a cautionary tale. And the problem though, Bill, is you can't tell the left wingers this because they won't listen. They're operating based on emotion, not based on reason exact, and they're just going to say, you don't know what you're talking about.

31:22 You're evil, you just don't care, you're a bigot. We know what we're doing. This is different, and that has been said over and over again all throughout history, and it always ends in the same way. Gooblessness always leads to the gulag. Godlessness to the gulag. It's what the Bible refers to as a fool. And how you know, when you come in contact with a fool, you want to disengage because they're not going to add to your day, no doubt about it. But by the same token, you also need to know how to adjudicate said full when they grow in enough numbers that they start making it an impact. You know, initially, you know they're just the silly people on the street, until next thing, you know, they start, you know, leading a parade of fools, of like minded people that are so ideologically fixed. As Jordan Peterson would say, and I love this one, is that you know, you become so ideologically fixed that you render yourself stupid. I mean, this is self inflicted, isn't it. Well, it is it is. And you see again, it's not having a love of an ability to recognize truth. If from the time kids are very young you inculcate them with that that knowledge that truth exists and that love of truth, they're going to seek it in all things.

32:42 But the problem is is that today most everyone is a moral relativist. I've mentioned this before. I've said this for a very long time, for decades, that moral relativism is the characteristic philosophical disease of our time. I didn't need vindication, but some years ago I found a study that vindicated that assessment. In two thousand and two, the Barner Research Group, or at least a studies showing that back then only six percent of teenagers believed that morality was an absolute phenomenon. The rest were relativists. And get this, among quote born again teens, what percentage believed in absolute truth? Well, truth is absolute by definition? Nine percent? Yeah, nine percent? Think about that, and they claim to be born again again. Doesn't mean they don't mean well, but they've missed the whole point of their faith. Okay, because Jesus not only said there is truth, he said he was the truth.

33:36 That is central to Christianity. And by the way, if you want to know, folks, why kids, why young people are drifting away from Christianity, that is a big part of the reason, because, after all, what did Jesus say? He said he came here to save us from our sins. He died for our sins. But if there's no truth, if everything is relative, then there are no sins. There are always respectives, only tastes, and then there's no reason for Jesus to die. It renders the sacrifice on the cross incomprehensible. So if I were a relativist, I would do exactly what these young people falling away from the church do. I would say Hey, why constrain my life with the teachings of Christianity.

34:16 I should rather be a hedonist or at least maybe a Unitarian, right, But you're not. I insulted Unitarians. They're all three of them. Sorry, you're so disingenuous in a sense that you're going to sit there and stare at the cross with Jesus hanging from the cross and going, what a waste? You know, you know, I mean, think about it, how how arrogant that? But you see, this is what's going to happen is as you say these numbers, but it goes back to what you said earlier. You got to look at the generation that's raising these kids. You know, back then in two thousand and two, when George Barnet did that research, it was what do you say, six percent? I think now it's to four and it's still heading south. Could be about three percent right now.

35:04 I think the last time I spoke with him, adults less than ten percent. So those are the parents. And we've got pastors in the church in the pulpit today less than fifty percent hold to a biblical worldview. And at the basis of the biblical worldview is the truth that you're talking about Sellen. Well, absolutely, and that's why for so many years I've been putting forth arguments trying to come bat this, and one of them is this, And let me repeat it now because I think it's important because a lot of very good people will claim, well, you can't really know what the truth is. Who says there's truth? Everyone has a different perspective. Okay, Well, someone very close to me knew a man who told him, well, you know, murder is not wrong, it's just that society says it is. Now I suspect this individual might be a sociopath. But that's not really the point here, Okay. The point is this, how would you contend with that? How would you argue against them? Now? I know what I could say. I could say, well, that's not true because God exists, God has a will, God has truth, and he has dictated that murder is objectively wrong. Now, that man might disagree with my premise that God exists, so on and so forth, but he can't disagree, or at least he can't refute my logic. My logic is airtight.

36:21 But how would you if you're an atheist, or if you don't believe in truth argue with him because your premise is basically the same as his. Your premise is that society is all there is to say that murder is wrong because society is all there is to say anything exactly. That's the truth if there's no God, and that's also the truth if there is a god, quote some force out there. But it's an existentialist kind of situation where he really doesn't have a will for us and he doesn't care what we do. Then it's also that situation that society is all there is to say anything. So that's a point to ponder. It's a point to ponder. And there's one more argument I could make, but I don't want to monopolis the discussion. Well, no, no, no, it's okay. This is what I appreciate about our relationships seen is that we're able to have a free flowing discussion that I know that our audience in viewership is hopefully being blessed by it.

37:14 Because my heart's desire is always that I would add to your day and not take away that as a result of conversations on the show, whether it's the radio or the TV show, would make you better. As a result my old mentor in my early days of radio, would always say to us that your job every time you open up the microphone is to elicit a positive emotional response. And what we're doing here, my prayer is is that we are doing that, that we are listing a positive emotional response, you know, from our audience to where it's getting them to think and going, Okay, this starts to make sense. I'm starting to connect these puzzle pieces in such a way to where it's my own knowledge and it's not just what Selwyn and Bill are telling me, but that, you know, I'm beginning to own this of myself, and that we don't just go off and sound like a bunch of you know, bumper stickers from a car that are you know, kind of loose and going with the wind, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. So really relativism has to be combated, and relativism moral relativism is the idea. Of course, I guess we should state this that what we call morality is really just a function of the time and the place and the people, that it doesn't come from anything outside of men. And of course that's another way of saying that morality doesn't

38:45 really exist, and that's the problem with that. So maybe I will present my second argument. And I've been doing this for decades, and I put it like this. Let's ask the question, who or what determines what this thing we call right and wrong is. Well, they're only two possibilities. Either man does or something outside of man does. Now, if it's something outside of man, something above him and in errant, namely God, then we can really say that right and wrong exists. We can say that morality exists. It's something objective. Okay, But what are the implications of saying that it comes from men? Well, let's look at it this way. Let's say you determined that ninety percent of the world disliked vanilla and love chocolate.

39:29 Would that make vanilla wrong or evil? Well, we know that's not the case. It's just a matter of taste. It would be ridiculous to say otherwise. Okay, But how does it make any more sense saying that murder is wrong if the only reason we say that is that the vast majority of the world prefers that we not kill others in a way the vast majority of the world considers unjust. If as with flavors, it's just a function of human consensus. Then it lies in the same category as flame that of human preference. That's all there is. And believe me, this idea has taken hold. I know most people don't think it through that thoroughly, but listen, I remember Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer. When he was in prison, he gave these interviews. It was very interesting because in prison he said that he experienced a conversion, and I believe that it was sincere because of the philosophical depth that he demonstrated. But here's what he said. At one point about his descent into darkness. He said that the theory of evolution affected him, and he said, my thinking was, if we all just emerged out of the muck, then what difference does it make. And at one point when he was a teenager, he reportedly said to his parents, quote, if there's no God, why can't I just make up my own rules? And again, it's like a Lester Crowley, the occultist. It's the same way of thinking. Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. If you think things through, you come to one of two conclusions. Either God and his will truth exists, and therefore morality is something

41:02 real or no, it's all just a matter of preference, and then it doesn't matter what you do. Hey, whatever works for you. But that way lies madness, and that is the hole, the rabbit hole that we've been going down for a very long time in Western civilization. Well, you're exactly right. I mean, this is why we're in this uh, you know, the spirit of chaos that we're in and this darkness and this madness that we're experiencing right now. And you talk about you talk about murder, Well, we've murdered one hundred one hundred million babies and we have justified it with man's own thinking. We've ignored God altogether, and God has has in a sense left us up, you know, to our own devices, and with all the negative results of that, we're slow to discern the consequences of that worldview and the choices that we've made over the last fifty years. Yeah, because we've become very, very comfortable, There's no doubt about it.

42:10 And so when you become comfortable, often you become soft. I think you know, that's saying that's gotten around in recent years. You know, hard men create good times. Good times create soft men or weak men, and weak men create hard times like that. It's a certain pattern. Well you're back here. It's like a book of Judges all over against that cycle of nations. Right. Yeah, it's absolutely true, there's no question about it. And that's why we really have to put some thought into these things. But it's a tough thing to do because so many people are operating emotionally now and by the way, that's what happens when you're disconnected from truth. I mentioned that Barner research earlier. Well, here's another thing it found that vindicated something I'd always said. I said, Well, if you believe in truth and you have to make a quote moral decision, refer to truth, you try to discern what it is. Okay, But if you don't have truth to use as your yardstick, what do you have left to use? The only really compelling thing you have left are your feelings, your emotions. And I think that's a major reason why so many people are so emotion driven nowadays.

43:16 And what did Barna find. He found in his research that that's what most Americans said, or at least a plurality, that the most common way in which they made these so called moral decisions was based on what felt right, that's what happens when you drift away from truth. Yeah, yeah, well look at it again. When you and I were growing up in the latter sixties seventies, you love the one you were with you, you know the music of the era, which you know, I thought was quite interesting because you had two parallel dynamics. You had this dynamic of free love and woodstock and then you had the A Jesus Revolution that's taking place simultaneously. And I've thought about that often, Selwyn, that here it is. We had an opportunity. We were at a critical cultural crossroads. Were we going to choose life or were we going to choose death once again? Yeah? Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned abortion before, which really I like to call prenatal infanticide because that's what it is. But it's interesting. It makes me think back to this story from my high school days. I think it was my sophomore year maybe I'm not sure, but anyway, we had this very interesting English teacher who would pose a lot of philosophical questions, and he asked the class one day if you could press a button and you'd get a million dollars.

44:37 But a little old man in China somewhere would die a little old man with no family, no associations at all, would you press that button? And about a third of the class raised their hands in the affirmative, So I think it's very telling it. Yeah, again, that shows what a lack of respect for life prevails nowadays. And of course, though it's not surprising when you descend into this relativistic morass like who's to say what's right or wrong? It's whatever works for you, right, We've heard that over and over again. And you don't have to be a bad person to believe that. You just have to have been inculcated with the wrong philosophical foundation. And how far down the road have you gone with that inculcation? I mean that was then thirty percent of the class. What do you think that number would look like today? You know, it might be higher, especially in a place like New York City. That's where I grew up, by the way, I was in the Bronx, so not Manhattan, but still the Bronx.

45:36 It probably would have been better in some other areas, but it certainly hasn't gotten better with time, as you said, because unfortunately that moral decay has continued, because we have not had that application of energy that I was talking about. And it's very necessary. And by the way, that means all of us have to turn this discerning eye inwards and we have to say, what can we do differently in our lives to be one of those thousand points of light, to be more virtuous. Because let me tell you something, if even a sizable minority of us became heavier in terms of virtue, so to speak, we could really start tilting the country and the other direction. And I'm going to lay some things out there. Some people may not like hearing this, but how about this profanity has become so common nowadays.

46:22 How about this just stop cursing. Stop cursing. Make that resolution. That's a good one right there. How about this, if you say you believe in God, act like it. It's not something just for one hour a week in church because you say grace over meals with your kids. I'm not saying you have to beat them over the head with the Bible. But you know, in church we have this thing where we go like this, Okay, that means, may God always be on my mind, on my lips and in my heart. Okay, we complain, for instance about the attack on Christmas, and Christmas is coming up, of course, how it's been wiped off school calendars for instance, and people don't want to talk about it, they don't want to say Merry Christmas. But why should that surprise us when we have taken ourselves God out of our minds, off our lips, and out of our hearts. Exactly, how is it being demonstrated that He resides there? Again? Are you saying grace over meals with your kids?

47:15 Do you talk about God sometimes with your family. I'm not saying you have to be obsessed till they get sick of it. I'm just saying God has to be an obvious presence in our lives, and if he is not, then we shouldn't complain about what's happening with the culture, because then it's just a reflection of us, isn't it Exactly? Well? I was reminded here again of the Shemah, the Israel prayer three times a day that is prayed, and that is, you know, Hero Israel, the Lord, that God is one, And it goes on to admonish the adults or those that are making the prayer, particularly adults though, because that they are to talk about this as they sit down, as they lie down in their walking about with their children, so that you're constantly reminding them again that God is the center of your universe. But you know, I would agree with you, Selwyn that if we take individual responsibility to just you know, I say, think a little bit better, do a little bit better, be a little bit better, okay, and simple things just being conscious of you know the language that you speak, being conscious of being kind for a moment. You know. I like what the story of Benjamin Franklin. What he would do is take a virtue every week and just really focus on that one virtue,

48:45 like being kind. And you know, at the end of the day, and maybe even during the day, he would say, was I kind? Did I lack kindness? Do I do I need to be more kind? And he would focus on kindness for an entire week. It doesn't take a whole lot, you know, considering all the time that we spend in front of these devices. You know, the kids are spending six to eight hours. You know, we're probably spending an equal amount of time in front of all these things. Why can't we set aside just a moment of time to remember that it's all about God, not about us. Yes, well absolutely, and there's something else we can do. This is very important. GK. Chusterton said, quote, thanks are the highest form of thought. I think he might have been right about that, because you see, when you're thankful, when you have a grateful heart, you're recognizing a very high truth, a very lofty truth, which is that we're sinners. We really don't deserve anything but damnation. But we're not going to get that because God is good and he offers us his salvation, and everything we get is a gift.

49:46 Everything we get is icing on the cake. And I will tell you something else. Even if you're a secularist, listen to this. This is one of the secrets to happiness in life, because when you're thankful, you don't see that glass as being half empty, always seeing it as being half full. And that's very important. You're always thankful. Thank you Lord for this, Thank you Lord for that. Chesterton said, you say grace over a meal, all right, but I say grace when I dip the quill into the ink, And he was expressing a very important truth there. Everything we have is a gift, and that is so lacking nowadays when you see all these people protesting and angry because they've been denied this, or they've been denied that, and they think they deserve some right they shouldn't have, or they think they deserve some benefit they shouldn't have. What's lacking is the truth that I just articulated. They don't understand it. They have an ungrateful heart instead of a grateful heart. And if you have that grateful heart, you're going to be happier. Why because you're going to see yourself as getting gifts all the time, not as being denied your birthright all the time. And as I think Chesterton also said, but I'm not sure, he said, goods look a lot better when they come wrapped as gifts. That's how you see them as gifts. Well, let me say this, Selwyn. I'm thankful for you. And we got to leave it there. We gave so much to our audience to ponder, and I pray that it would be a blessing to them that they would go into the rest of this season of Thanksgiving, this advanced season that leads to you talk about being wrapped in a gift,

51:21 this great gift that's just a few weeks away, that God gave to all this creation, Selwyn Duke, the writer for The New American, has been our guest. Thank you, Selwyn, I appreciate you. God bless Thank you Bill. The feelings mutual and God bless you too, and you'll are thanks to Selwyn Duke, as I say, the writer for The New American, and our thanks to you for being a part of the show and sharing a part of your day with us. May God bless you and keep you. May make his face shine upon you, may be gracious unto you and give you his piece. Thanks again for being with us. God blessed. Take care. Pridictical Pubs of Publicity