The Gender Delusion

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W FORCY Radio. Well, welcome, good afternoon, Bill Martin is here.

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Great to have you with us as
we come together to take on a

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very contentious topic, a topic that
I dare say that many senior pastors of

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churches have avoided, and I think
part of the reason that they have avoided

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it is because of lack of understanding
and education. This spirit of gender delusion

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has come upon the culture in such
a magnificent manner. And when I say

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magnificent, I mean more to have
to do with speed as opposed to anything

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that is beneficial. Let's put it
in most terms. Okay, it has

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come upon us quite quickly, and
I believe it's caught many of us off

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guard, but this is something that
needs to be studied and need to be

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understood. And we can be grateful
to the d James Kennedy Ministries because John

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Rabe, who is with us,
the director of creative production, and doctor

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Jerry Nucom, the senior producer,
are here to talk about their latest documentary,

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The Gender Delusion. John, Jerry, welcome to the show. Good

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to have you with us. Thank
you, Bill, great to be with

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you. Yes, thank you.
Well, John, let's start with you.

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I mean, I see what you
you know, what you've done here,

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what the team has done in attacking
I say attacking presenting this critical issue

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on our culture because there's so much
you know, narrative and false narrative.

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You might say, misunderstanding about this
gender delusion. Well, that's exactly right,

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and I think you said it extremely
well in the introduction. Bill.

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This has come upon the church and
the culture like a tsunami. You know,

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this was just not even something most
people were considering ten years ago,

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and now suddenly it's everywhere. And
so we recognize that there is a huge

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need for information and for understanding among
Christians, particularly among pastors. And I

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think that that is well said,
I've talked a pastor who want to address

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this issue, who know that they
need to address this issue, and yet

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they're trying to get caught up on
it. They're trying to gain understanding so

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that they can then turn around and
speak knowledgeably on it. It has changed

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so much and things have been so
rapid in this that just two years ago,

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in twenty twenty one, this ministry
it did a program called the Tragedy

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of Gender Confusion, and we realized
earlier this year we need to revisit that

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even in just a year and a
half time, so much more has happened

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and there have been such advances on
the transgender side of this that we need

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to we need to update that program. While as we began to update the

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program, there was so much that
was new and so much to deal with

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that it became an entirely new program. And so that is our hope is

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to help all Christians, including pastors
but also lay people, understand what the

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issues are, why we are where
we are at, and most important,

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I think the power of Christ to
deliver people from this gender delusion. And

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it is a delusion when we believe
that we are the opposite sex or some

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other quote unquote gender stuck in our
biological body. That is a psychological disorder

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and a spiritual disorder. And to
treat it as if it is simply a

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fact is not only to go along
with lies, but it is also to

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end up doing harm to the person
the individual involved. Jerry John reminds us

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quite clearly the answer to all this
remains the Cross and Jesus Christ does it

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not absolutely, And in fact,
the Bible tells us very clearly that when

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God made us, he made us
male and female. He made them and

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so, in other words, we
as human beings, were either one or

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the other. And interestingly, science
confirms that virtually every all of the human

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body shows whether you're either male or
female. We could even dig up skeletons

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from a thousand years ago and buy
based on the hip size, and so

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if we're determined whether they're male or
female. And yet today young people are

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being given this lie that well,
maybe even though you're a girl, maybe

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you're really a boy trapped in a
girl's body. If you give us,

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you know, let us give you
this treatment that will help you, and

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so forth, and it's it's a
total lie. And unfortunately, a lot

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of young people have been deceived about
this and have gone down this road and

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they're ruining their lives. And so
I thank God for those states where they've

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said basically, hey, you know, if you want to do something like

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this to yourself, you could do
that if you're an adult, but don't

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do that to the children. Yeah, certainly not. John, we revisit

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the first big lie, the Garden
of Eden as Jerry referred to it.

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Did God really say, right,
That's exactly it. It all begins there,

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and it's the undermining of God's word. Yes, it's centered on the

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nature of the tree in the garden
and the fruit of that tree. But

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to understand, Satan was casting doubt
on all of God's word, on all

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of God's design. And of course
we know that he has come to steal,

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kill and destroy, and he was
a murderer from the very beginning.

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And so the Satanic goal in all
this is the destruction of God's design,

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resulting in despair and in death,
and sadly, that is played out in

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very literal fashion, Bill, And
that's why this is so important. You

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know. The notion is, and
we talk about this in the program,

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that when a child is experiencing gender
confusion, that we need to affirm that

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new gender identity. Well, if
you think you may be a girl when

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you're in a boy's body, well
you are a girl. And so we're

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going to begin to treat you that
way. We're going to begin to call

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you that, and now we're going
to start to pump you full of puberty

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blockers, perhaps have mutual surgeries that
mutilate. And yet what the numbers show

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us is that as many as four
out of ten people who identify as transgender

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will try to attempt suicide at some
point in their life. So there's a

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real despair at the heart of this. And what we find is that affirming

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it doesn't help anything. You know. The typical line as well, that's

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that suicide rate is so high because
of societal disapproval and because of ignorance and

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because of failure of acceptance. Well, we all live in this culture.

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We know better than that. All
we have to do is look around and

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see that the easiest way to become
proclaimed a hero, to become to be

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proclaimed brave and stunning, is to
come out as transgender. No it is

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allowed to criticize anymore. You can
be you can be fired, you can

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be fined, you can be taken
to court, your business can be shut

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down. And yet even in that
atmosphere, four out of ten attempts suicide

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at some point. There's a very
deep spiritual and psychological problem here, and

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again, treating it as if its
objective truth is as harmful to the person

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as if we were to pretend that
a girl who has anorexia actually is fat

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as she believes that she is in
her mind and playing along with that delusion

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as she starves herself to death.
It's just as dangerous, you know,

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Jerry speaking of suicides last year,
the highest rate of suicide in our modern

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history. This is devastating that we
have so many people committing suicide. And

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there's lots of reasons, all dovetailing
into this, the issue of abortion.

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We've got the whole gender delusion confusion
agency that is contributing to these numbers as

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well. This is a serious issue, it really is. And I think

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this whole thing just shows how this
culture, unfortunately is just putt pushing away

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God, God's word, what he
has to say to us. It's what

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Jesus said it so well in John
ten The thief meaning the devil comes to

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steal, to kill and destroy,
But I have come that they might have

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life and have it more abundantly.
The people committing suicide are not these born

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again Christians. And maybe there's some
flake here or there that that unfortunately would

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go down that route or whatever,
but that's totally against God's will. But

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anyway, in the meantime, as
as people push away God and his word,

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we see this despair that results from
it. America was born because of

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a great away akening, a great
spiritual awakening, as people were becoming born

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again, as John Adams put it, and I like to talk about stuff

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related to America's founding, not that
we have that in this particular special,

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but we haven't in many of our
specials. But he said that the revolution

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occurred in the hearts of the people
a generation before the actual revolution. So

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what's happening today in America as we're
rushing headlong away from God and denying that

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there is a God? And He
has something to say about these things,

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including the whole gender issue exactly,
the despair as a result. Yeah,

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you know, John, we're back
at that crossroads, you know what Jerry's

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referring to. We're at that crossroads
between life and death and good and evil,

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and the Bible is real clear,
you know, given the choice of

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life and death, life is the
better answer. And that seems to be

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recurring time and again. And you
know it's almost like you here, God

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from heaven, going, can you
hear me now? And he almost asked

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that question with his heartbreaking over his
creation because we're stiff neck and we want

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to have our cake and eat it
too. We want to see it according

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to our own eyes. But we
do this at dire results, don't we.

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We do, And that's well said. Again. It all goes back

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to our sin nature, doesn't it, bill we And that's something we're all

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afflicted with. I don't exempt myself
from that. The difference is is that

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the Lord has opened my eyes and
delivered me from the penalty of my sin.

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But I still struggle with sin,
and there are still things that I

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look at wrongly. But we do
need to step back and see the magnitude

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of the cultural lives that we are
now believing. Sin has infected every age

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and every culture, there's no question
about that. But we just think about

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what would a culture even fifty years
ago, let alone two hundred years ago

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or two hundred and fifty years ago, at the founding of our nation.

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What would what would a culture think
when we are seriously proposing the idea that

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even the definition of what is a
man and what is a woman are up

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for grabs. Yeah, that's the
position in which we find ourselves, that

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that verities that are so basic,
that are so foundational, are now being

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are doubt is now being cast upon
those. It shows that it really feels

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like Romans one as we see that
that, you know, God's wrath is

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unleashed, and and people become hardened
in their sin because they have the God

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has revealed themselves. But the truth
is suppressed by sinners in unrighteousness. And

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so that's kind of where we find
ourselves. And yet our hope is as

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well that there are still, you
know, the hundred who have not bowed

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the need of bail. I think
that the vast majority of people in this

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culture, bill, including those who
are not Christians, still see this for

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the absurdity that it is. However, they're intimidated, they're frightened, they

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are afraid of speaking out because of
the penalties that can come, the civil

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penalties, the vocational penalties at work, and so far so they're afraid to

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speak out on it, and they
don't know how to speak out on it.

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The forces of the LGBTQ movement and
the forces the left have done a

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really good job of intimidating people from
even speaking out. But this is the

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kind of thing that any average person
looks at and says in their heart,

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come on, really, we know
we know better God's design in biology.

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It's a pesky thing. We may
try to suppress the truth and unrighteousness.

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We may have to. We may
try to hide it, but it keeps

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popping back out. It keeps coming
back, It keeps coming back. You

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can't hide it. And also John, yeah, exactly, it always wins

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out. We're talking with John Rabe. He's the director of creative production with

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the d James Kennedy Ministries and doctor
Jerry Nucom senior producer. Jerry. Here

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it is. We have a Supreme
Court justice a woman who refuses, in

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a sense stubbornly to define what a
woman is. I mean, this is

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what our society has reduced itself to, hasn't it. Yes? And in

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fact she even said, well,
I'm not a biologist, how do I

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know what a woman is. Obviously
she knows what a woman is. I

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mean, I'm guessing she really does
in her heart of heart, but she

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can't take the common sense, historical, biblical, frankly scientific position that a

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man as a man and as a
woman as a woman, because it fli

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in the face of this new sexual
orthodoxy that you will be bunished if you

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don't, you know, believe this. And it's interesting. One of the

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aspects of this special, you know, which focuses on all these different aspects

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of the debate, but one part
deals with the issue of women's sports,

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and it just shows how absurd it
is, and not only absurd, but

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grossly unfair. There you have a
lot of girls, and you know,

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young women and so forth that have
trained, in some cases virtually all their

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lives, suddenly rightly gains the swimmers. Since she was four years old,

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she was practicing swimming for years.
In her college times and she only graduated

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a couple of years ago, she
would be she would get up at five

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in the morning to swim for three
hours in the morning, then she would

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swim for three hours in the afternoon, and you know, everything revolved round

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this, and she did this for
years then she compets against the biological male,

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who when he was a male competing
against biological males, he ranked four

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hundred and sixty second or something like
that. You know, he wasn't way

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up there. But then all of
a sudden he becomes this tremendous and swimmer

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because he is, uh, you
know, now claiming to be transgender.

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And by the way, there's no
criterion by which he became a so called

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female, he just said, and
so you know, and now he's winning

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all the trophies compared to these girls, and they lose out on scholarships and

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you know, a great future and
so forth. It's just so unfair.

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And I think a lot of people, a lot of Americans, like John

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was saying earlier, they look at
that and they say, no, no,

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that ain't right, that ain't right
right. And John Riley's story even

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even more so, is disgusting.
When she is describing how she's in the

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women's locker room and she's undressing next
to Leah Thomas, I mean, as

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a father of a daughter, hold
me back, I mean, this is

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this is problematic on many levels.
You know that this would invade my daughter's

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life like this, I just cannot
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we've become so open minded that we've
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of that, again is the intimidation
tactics. Why are people not speaking out

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more? We see what happened to
these swimmers. Riley Gaines and her teammates

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and many others have been absolutely pilloried
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for their stand just to you know, they're they're characterized as bigots and hateful

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and so forth, when all they're
saying is and we include some of that

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footage from Riley Gaines in this in
this program, some of that Senate testimony,

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but where she tearfully talks about the
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nobody prepared them for this. Suddenly
someone is undressing in a room with them,

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who is biologically male, and to
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supposedly considered to be hateful to point
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male, though he is in every
cell of his body to be blot his

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genitalia and so forth, he is
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daughters would would be subjected to this, Yes, every parent needs to be

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ready to stand up. Every father
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time in this program also talking about
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be clear, it's not every school
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a growing movement where teachers and schools
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parents on these issues. So you
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school, where the child leaves home
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gets to school and changes into the
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opposite sex identity and name while at
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home, where teachers are reading literature
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ideology. One woman we show the
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know, I'm so excited. I
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today one of my seven year olds
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a seven year old, a seven
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even is. They have no idea
about gender identity. You're dealing with brainwashed

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children and parents that are way too
passive, who need to take a much

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closer look at their children's schools,
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Jerry's no wonder that America's parents are
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public education. Yeah. I think
this is one of the key issues,

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one of the key battlegrounds. It's
hard to believe too that our government under

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the Biden administration would have situations where
parents were being labeled as opposed domestic terrorists

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and certain parents, you know,
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In one of the Virginia board school
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that was even arrested, well,
the man was so upset he sounded like

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what you were saying just a few
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daughter if somebody did that, and
you know, in front of my daughter,

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his daughter was molested by one of
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guy that claims I'm a woman now. And he had done this, He

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had molested another person in another school. They just transferred them out of that

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school, and then he did that
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you know, the attack occurred and
the father went after the guy in the

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school board, meaning he was arrested, and so it's unbelievable. But then

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to be labeled as domestic terrorists.
It's a sad state of affairs when basically

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we have the good being called bad
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like what the Bible says in Isaiah
five, what are those who call evil

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good and good evil? But as
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more and more do want to either
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or to put them in homeschool and
Christian schools, whatever. But change this.

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They've got to have transparency. And
you know what, the liberals are

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very strong in this too. There
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they have laws that they want in
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a parent disagree and your child ender
and so forth, you could actually lose

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the custody of the child because you
were expect there being an abuser of your

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child supposedly right, because they've determined
to be so, John, we have

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got to find a way to bully
back these pulleys. You know, we've

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learned that, you know, our
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in the sandbox of life. If
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you cowtow. They own you for
the rest of your you know, scholastic

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career. And here we are.
We've got to we've got to come together

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unified on purpose, uh for you
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Because you know, as as Jerry
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good is being called evil. Should
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of faith, because we were warned
of these days. No, that's exactly

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right, Bill, And you know
it's this is it's a difficult thing to

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say sometimes, but the reality is
that all of this means that Christian parents

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are really going to have to be
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take a closer look at everything because
everything, as I mentioned, from their

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their child's school, their child's teacher, the administrators, and so forth.

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Parents have to really have a solid
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curriculum, what they're learning. They
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children. And by the way,
you don't begin to build that when a

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child is twelve or thirteen years old, As any parents of a thirteen year

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old will tell you, that's not
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They already need to be open.
But parents are really going to have

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to take an active interest. And
yes, it costs you something. It

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costs you time, it costs you
toil, it costs you sweat, It'll

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cost you some tears. But these
are these are our children who are at

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stake, and the schools are part
of it, but they are only part

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of it. We talk about this
in the documentary as well, the gender

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delusion, but your child's screen time
social media is an enormous driver in this

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transgender explosion that we've seen in the
last few years. There's a real social

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contagium element to it. What happens
when a fourteen year old girl comes out

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as trans is that almost in rapid
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nine, ten of her friends soon
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well. Well, is are all
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is there some sort of social thing
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on TikTok and on Twitter and on
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these these videos that explain this that
that helped the the child see there's all

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sorts of approval to be had there
and and so parents really have to bear

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down. It's not just as simple
as locking your child in the room and

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pulling out the WiFi. It's relational, it's following up on these things.

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It's it's it's closeness. But it
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you they're inundated. You know this
bill, They everywhere, they turned television

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on, these social media school friends, it's it is everywhere, and one

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hour of church a week, or
twenty minutes of hanging out with our child

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in the evening is not going to
be enough to overcome that, Doctor Jerry

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Yukam, have you ever heard from
a parent that they regretted spending time with

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their children. No? Never.
In fact, remember when Barbara Bush spoke

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at Wellesley the graduation ceremony years ago. In fact, a lot of feminists

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were upset, and I was like, why are you having her speak?

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You know it was her husband that
was the president of the president, you

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know, George H. W.
Bush. But she spoke, and she

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gave a tremendous speech. People are
still quoting it to this day thirty years

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later. And she said, you
know what, when you're at your deathbed,

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you're not gonna think back and regret. You know, if only I

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had signed one more contract. Oh, if only I had made one more

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deal. Oh if only I had
spent more time in the office. No,

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you'll be regretting the time you didn't
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ones. Exactly. Well, we're
talking with doctor Jerry Nukam and John Rabe

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from the DJs Kennedy Ministry. Uh. You know, John, I can't

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help, but you know, ponder
on what the Psalm has had to say

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about how God wove us in her
mother's womb and what a miraculous and awesome

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consideration and picture that presents. And
here you've got this alleged modern medicine.

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Who you know, they think they
have a better idea. And we're also

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told in the Bible that men comes
up with their ideas and God laughs.

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And I think in this one,
yes, God laughs at the insanity of

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their ideas, but it is also
heartbroken for the damage that they have wrecked

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upon His creation. Yes, and
as you point out, you know,

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we are fearfully and wonderfully made by
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movement attempts to deny that design,
it attempts to undo that design, and

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it's just a variation as you as
you started earlier with Bill on on the

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Garden, undoing God's design? Did
God really say? Is that really who

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God is? But you know,
the biological sex male and female is one

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of those things from the garden.
It's absolutely fundamental to who we are.

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of times, and I think it's
apt that the science points against this transgender

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movement. There are, to be
sure, doctors, an increasing number of

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doctors who are prescribing these terrible treatments
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adults for that matter, including medical
mutilation and including cross sex hormones and puberty

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blockers and so forth, does terrible
damage. We show in the program some

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people who have been down that road
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But even then you see that they
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They are grips, they are not
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points against all of this. The
science again points us to God's design.

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The science continually affirms that we are
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a Y chromosome or we do not, and it's woven throughout every every part

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of us, and people need to
understand, and we bring this out in

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the program as well, that the
transgender movement does not arise from any sort

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of science. It does not arise
from anything objective. It comes out of

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critical theory, It comes out of
the cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School.

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It doesn't even really begin to appear. This idea of gender as applied to

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human beings as opposed to language,
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or seventies, doesn't take flight until
the eighties and nineties. It's an entirely

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new thing. It's entirely ideological.
It has its roots all the way back

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into sort of the Gnostic movement that
says that our spirits, or what's important,

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our bodies don't matter, and that
carries out to today where whatever I

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believe I am internally is what I
really am, and all the external world

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is forced to go along with whatever
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really the satanic delusion on steroids that
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I am the definer of reality.
Everyone must bow to my definition of

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reality. Only one person gets to
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else says it, it's satanic.
And yet here we are, and Jerry,

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here it is these poor kids biologically
their body, though it's been altered

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externally, the DNA and every other
interior aspect, those parts that God wonderfully

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wove together in our mother's womb cannot
be altered. Science fact tells you it

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cannot be altered. And here's these
modern scientists, and you know, these

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carvers of human bodies, and our
children are allowed to continue on with this.

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And again, sadly, it's all
about the money. I mean,

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these surgeries are not cheap, and
you are beholden to these surgeons and the

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medical class for the rest of your
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fact, I'm glad you mentioned that
there is a financial factor in some cases

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involved in this. Terry Shilling one
of our guests in the program of the

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he's the president of the American Principles
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the transgender movement because it's so harmful
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everybody everything it touches. But he
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If people cannot ignore he said,
these hospitals that do these trans transition surgeries

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and so with transgender surgeries, they
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I think Jerry's maybe even in seventy
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the way, it doesn't it really
doesn't work. I mean, in other

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words, if a person goes through
surgery and they have certain parts cut off

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and other parts, you know,
remade, and so it doesn't work.

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They don't become a boy, doesn't
become a girl, and a girl doesn't

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become a boy. I don't care
what you know. The society says,

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what the left says, and but
this profit motive should be noted as well

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as the big farm a big farmers
making a ton of money. Now,

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I think it's very important to realize
this Europe, Northern Europe has gone down

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this road exactly than we did.
I'm brought this up because I was going

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to begun to stop it. They
have closed down some of these centers where

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they transitioned these children and so forth. And George Grant, one of our

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guests in the special, said that
that after eight years of people getting transition,

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so most of these statistics would be
coming from Europe. After eight years

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of a person going from you know, a transition becoming transgender, eighty one

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percent of them regret it and forty
percent end up committing suicide. Not exempting

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suicide, but committing suicide. So
this, you know, even if somebody

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was suffering truly from some sort of
confusion about you know, am I a

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boy, am I a girl?
Whatever, this solution is far worse than

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whatever anxiety they're suffering. That the
problem, the cure is much worse than

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the disease, if you will,
Yeah, that's really the bottom line John

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the documentary, the gender delusion,
as Jerry was referring to. Which makes

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this so powerful is that you have
real people, real stories that the audience

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can relate to share some of those
if you would, I'd be glad to.

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And I really do think I think
that this program is extraordinarily important,

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but even taken as a whole,
I really believe that those stories are the

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most important part of it. And
that is because, you know, we

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do live in a culture where the
stories carry a lot of weight, and

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that's always been true. Jesus told
stories, but those those personal stories mean

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so much and it shows us that
there really is another way, these are

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the stories that you don't hear in
the media, and in fact there's a

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lot of pressure, much in the
way that we had beginning, I'd say

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about thirty years ago in the ex
gay movement, where there was so much

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incredible pressure placed upon them and so
much hatred directed towards them people who had

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been delivered out of homosexuality. You
find that and even more among those who

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have come out of a quote unquote
gender transition. And so in the program

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we shared several stories. One of
the to me the most touching is the

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story of a young woman named Zoe
who had suffered some sexual abuse as as

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as a girl, who started to
become confused at a certain point as a

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teenager and had been encouraged along the
idea that maybe she was actually a boy

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and a girl's body, and so
she began to follow that out and had

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some surgery to confirm that, took
hormones, and so forth lived as a

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as a man for a certain amount
of time, and yet never felt fulfilled

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and never felt right, and actually
started having dreams that Jesus Christ was visiting

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her and would call her by her
birth name, by her female name,

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and pick her up and hold her, and she she was touched by that,

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and she's very emotional in telling it
and is drawn back to Christ.

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I don't even want to give away
the ending of the story because it's just

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such a wonderful story of the way
that it unfolds. But God has restored

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all of it back to her and
more. But what she says is,

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I had a temporary confusion and started
to take permanent steps to lock that confusion

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in uh and it was it was
a terrible thing to do. We have

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another story and updating this story that
we did with a young woman named Laura

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Beth Perry who similarly went through a
very similar situation transition to becoming a man,

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took the hormones and so forth,
and then was delivered by the power

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of Jesus Christ. And now just
recently since our last program that she was

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featured in, we mentioned this in
the new program and show up, But

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she's just recently got married to a
gentleman and h and God is restoring her

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life to her to her God given
design, her God given sex and gender.

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It's just a wonderful thing to see. And it's such a great counterbalance

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because you don't hear those stories,
and yet the vast majority. What we

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see over and over again is that
if a child, even an early teen,

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thinks that they have gender dysphoria,
the vast, vast majority of them,

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if if just left alone, will
grow out of that within a few

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years. And uh and and now
we want to we want to lock that

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in. But these stories are are
not told. And the regret of so

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many people who have tried to transition
and then realized it wasn't the right road.

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U, those stories are are squelched, but they are growing, They're

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numerous, they're easy to find,
and they need to be told. Is

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such were some of you, right, That's what the Apostle Paul says to

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the sinners and the congregation, homosexuals
and and slanderers and thieves and so farth

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and such were some of you.
But you've been washed, You've been you've

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been sanctified, You've been justified by
the blood of Jesus Christ. Jerry Nucamu,

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this is who Jesus came for.
Wasn't absolutely In fact, you know,

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we have been addressing this issue of
the gender confusion for a few years

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now, and the fascinating aspect you
know, when John was talking about Zoe

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and her story and how what really
changed her was a personal encounter with Jesus

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Christ himself. I mean, as
she understood it and so forth, kind

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of like a vision or whatever.
But you know, based on his word

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of course, and that urge and
so and a few years ago we had

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done a classic story perhaps you've even
heard of him, Walt Higher, where

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Walt Higher had gone down that route, and so we had him in an

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earlier version of a special about this
whole problem of gender confusion, and what

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changed him was the same thing,
a personal encounter with Jesus Christ himself.

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And Walt, by the way,
has gone on to start the ministry of

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you know, sex change regret dot
Com, where he counsels people from all

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over the world that are you know, contemplating this, and he's you know,

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advising no, no, no,
no, don't do this, don't

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go down this route. But certainly, as has been noted, the society,

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the culture, the media, the
high tech media, uh you know,

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they they squelch, you know,
as noted, any dissent on this.

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And so let's say five to ten
years from now we get down the

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road, we'll look back at this
and it will just be awful. In

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fact, Terry Shelling, one of
the points he's made is, I tell

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you what's going to really help bring
a screeching halt to much of this is

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the lawsuits. The lawsuits from these
poor young kids that were sold of bill

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of goods. They got their body
parts chopped off and so forth. They

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can't retrieve those No, it's got
back the day, Yeah, exactly.

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All based on a series of lies. And then most of the most wicked

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lie of them all is that you
can change. You a boy can become

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a woman. No, no,
you can't. You may become the bearded

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lady you maybe, you know whatever, you may become you know, somebody

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with a wig on, or you
know, maybe early for Halloween or whatever.

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I mean, the bottom line is
you cannot change. And you have

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to recognize that. And the vast
majority of these children that are suffering from

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any form of gender dysphoria, the
vast majority of them, unless it's interrupted,

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the process is interrupted, they come
out of it around puberty right well,

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And this is what research, the
empirical evidence has indicated, Jerry that

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this this too will be worked out. But you have to give each individual

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that opportunity, I mean, at
seven, eight, twelve years old making

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that decision. Now we go back
again, John to the Garden of Eden,

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who told you, yeah, no, that's that's exactly right. And

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again it's this tempt to confute God's
word, to undermine his design in every

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respect, and and it's having enormous
success. You know, this really has

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become a social contagion. And and
it cuts directly against God's design. And

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so pastors need to be not only
teaching and preaching about God's design, but

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we have to be explicit. You
know, it's not enough and and and

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this is true of a number of
things. But if you look through some

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of the great confessions of the Faith, they will lay out here is here

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is our resolution, here's what we
are for. And then we'll also lay

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out what we're not saying. So
we did we affirm this, we deny

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this, we affirm this, we
deny this. That needs to be happening

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as well with the with with teaching
on things like gender. When we're teaching

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about God's design in the Garden of
Eden, we have to be explicit and

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clear about how that contradicts the cultural
teaching in the day, how that contradicts

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the teaching that that our culture gives
us about same sex marriage. How that

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contradicts this idea of transgender when the
Bible clearly tells us uh, and God

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himself clearly tells us that may male
and female. He created them. That

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is the design in the garden.
And then the command is given, what

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we call the cultural mandate, go
forth be fruitful and multiply. And what

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our culture has done. Again,
as as Satan's influence, it works his

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way through and as he works to
undermine God's design. God's design is to

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be fruitful and multiply. And so
our culture increasingly accept things that destroy fruitfulness,

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increasingly accepts marriages that by definition,
not by happenstance, not by biological

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fluke or circumstance, but by design, unions that by design cannot produce fruit.

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We undermine the fruit of the woman
abortion. We say, okay,

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let's go ahead and destroy that so
that you can carry out other tasks,

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that you can be more satisfied in
your life. In other ways, it's

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an assault on that design, which
is us to be fruitful and to multiply.

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So so many things are tied together
there in the garden, Satan has

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his wiles. He will find new
and different ways of undermining God's word.

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But when you really look at it, it's always variations on a theme.

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He's endlessly creative in those variations.
But when you learn to spot him,

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you see them for what they are. And we feel sympathy for people in

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the transgender movement, many of whom
are legitimately confused, many of who have

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been terribly misled and been given bad
advice. So so individuals who are involved

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in that we can have a great
deal of sympathy for. But when we

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look at the ideology that drives that, we do have to stop and say,

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this is Satan, right back to
the Garden of Eden. Yeah,

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without a doubt, Jerry, this
is why a biblical worldview is so key,

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isn't it? Yes, it is, And the biblical worldview really is

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at the heart of what D.
James Kennedy Ministries is all about. And

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what's I think it's really neat that
you can even just log on to D.

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James Kennedy dot org and just watch
part one of you Know the Gender

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Delusion. You can watch part two
and took and there's even a DVD that's

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an hour and a half long.
So there's some material that we weren't even

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able to time wise, you know, put it in the in the various

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broadcasts. But a biblical worldview is
so key, and in fact, it

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was a biblical worldview that gave birth
to America. I mean, we we

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are the beneficiaries every day of the
fact that the founding fathers said that our

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rights come from God. Biblical concepts, you know, under girded all that

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America stands really for two things,
self rule under God. That's what the

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American experiment is all about. You
look at the Constitution again, we see

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a biblical worldview at work. We
see number one, that fathers knew that

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our heart is sinful and therefore they
divided power. That's woven throughout the Constitution.

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But there's another aspect that people are
not familiar with, and I think

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it's really an interesting one, and
that is that the Constitution was really,

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in many ways a byproduct of the
biblical concept the Covenant, beginning with the

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Pilgrims and then continuing with the Puritans
and top up until the time you get

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to the Constitution itself. The self
rule under God in a written format signed

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by the witnesses. This was a
covenant that they created. Even the word

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federal, as in federal government,
is derived from the Latin word fotus foeed

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us, which means covenant. So
in effect, these states made a covenant

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with each other to create the one
federal government. I think it's important to

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realize biblical worldview is key, and
I think unfortunately a lot of Christians,

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professing Christians today don't really understand that
the Bible applies to all of life and

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what the Word of God says about, certainly about human sexuality as we're discussing

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here, it is not to be
ignored, and certainly it shouldn't be ignored

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even in terms of basic governmental principles
as well. John, it's it's our

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birthright in a sense what God in
entering into this covenant, it was a

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holy birthright that he gave to the
citizens of America and answer to prayer by

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the Pilgrims to you know, affect
this great American idea that we would be

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that light on a shining hill right, and we need to honor in a

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very passionate way this birthright because we
know how God felt about est saw when

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he disrespected his birthright. Right,
absolutely. And you know, people seem

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to forget many many evangelical Christians even
seem to forget that the Great Commission tells

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us to go out and baptize and
make disciples, and it also tells us

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to teach the nations everything that Christ
commanded. That part often gets left out.

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It is part of the Great Commission. And so there's this false idea

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that gets that takes place that well, things like nations and politics and governments.

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We don't need to be worried about
that. What our concern is,

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Christians, is is our immaterial spirits
getting to an immaterial hen Well, that

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just leaves a lot of God's word
out, and our forefathers didn't view it

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that way. A biblical worldview doesn't
view it that way. A biblical worldview

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recognize that God saw the creation.
It is good. We are to live

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in this creation. We are in
the world. Yes we're not of the

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world, but we are to live
in the world and to share those commandments.

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And so it becomes a stewardship issue. Bill. We've been given this

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amazing gift by our forefathers. They
bequeathed us this legacy of representational government and

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freedom and liberty, self government under
law, and and to to fritter that

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away is more than irresponsible. That
actually is a failure to obey the commandment

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to honor our mothers and our fathers
exactly. Jaredy, We've got a couple

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of minutes left and I want you
to summarize this documentary and remind people how

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they can access it, and uh, you know, because this is so

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important. Knowledge is power, and
I look at what you know, you

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and John and the team have put
together in the Gender Delusion as a true

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gift to the church. Well,
thank you very much, and thank you

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for the opportunity to talk about it. And again, people can get more

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information at d James Kennedy dot org. You can even watch major portions of

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the program itself and then learn how
to get the DVD and then share it

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with others. But in the special, we deal with this, of course

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from a Christian perspective and a scientific
perspective as well. We we inform the

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viewer some of the developments, what's
going on, and especially how it's just

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making incredible inroads in a lot of
the schools, and then how a lot

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of parents are getting concerned once they
you know, learn about it. Then

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we have those stories that we talked
about, and there's also the section that

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we deal with with sports, which
I think is perhaps maybe a common ground

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that even even the people that may
be totally in favor of the transgender issue,

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maybe even you know, they might
be willing to say, you know

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what, that isn't fair. You
know. So, I mean you think

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ab the I'm not for sports.
But Martina never ruled. Yeah, her

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too, you know, the famous
you know, tennis player. I understand

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she's a lesbian and over she says
it's not right for men and biological males

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to be able to compete with with
biological females. As as Riley Gaines says

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in the special, we're not talking
about bigotry, We're talking about biology.

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Exactly. One of the girls in
the program denied for the opportunities for scholarship

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and so forth as a track runner
high school from Connecticut. She says,

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I'm all fair, I'm all for
fair competition, but it's got to be

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fair. Yes, I know,
when competing against a biological male because they're

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made differently by God. That's the
way it is that I've lost before the

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race has even started. So this
this special shows in a realistic and compassionate

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way with compelling stories, and you're
showing the gospel at the end, how

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Jesus Christ is the ultimate solution to
these things, this very important issue that

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the church should not ignore and not
neglect and have this compassionate voice and is

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Jesus said, you are the salt
and you are the light of the world.

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And so we're trying to be salt
and lights and deal with this issue

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that unfortunately many people today would shy
away from out there in the culture.

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It's out there on TV, it's
out there on the cell phone. So

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we got to get the Christian side
of it. And I think Lord Willing

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this special really does that well.
Remind him of a website real quick.

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We got to put a rap on
this. D James Kennedy dot Org hosted

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by doctor Robert j passed the enzat
and again this is called the gender delusion.

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Well, Doctor Jerry Newcombe and John
Rabe from D James Kennedy Ministries.

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John the director of Creative Production and
Jerry the senior producer, thank you both

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of you so much for coming on
the show and talking about this powerful new

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documentary that I know will be a
blessing. Thanks again, be welcome to

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Georgian with your bless our. Thanks
to both John and Jerry for coming on

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for more information and to be a
part of this mighty Martinist movement to return

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to God and to save our country. Go to Bill Martinez Show dot com.

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May God bless you and keep you, and make his face shine upon

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you. May He be gracious unto
you and give you peace. Go and

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be blessed to bless others. Thanks
for being with us. Take care,