The Church in the Crossfire of Marxism and God-haters

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FOURCY Radio. Well, good afternoon. I'm glad you could join us.

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I'm Bill Martinez, and I know
people of faith or wondering what is going

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on? Why is the church being
so persecuted and targeted. Well, first

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of all, if you've read the
Bible at all, you know that the

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church was going to be in the
crosshairs of a culture, especially as it

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can change you to grow further and
further away from God. And this is

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America that we're experiencing right now,
So no surprise. Jesus told us very

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clearly, look at look what they've
done to me. They're going to do

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that to you if you're my follower. So I guess maybe that's a good

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litmus test. If you're being attacked
and targeted for religious purposes, Hey,

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you're on Jesus' team. If you're
not, maybe you need to reconsider and

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think for just a moment whose side
you're on. No question, there's a

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lot of pressure from the culture to
get us to conform and to be compliant,

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to be that sleep walking, you
know, convenient minion that can be

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controlled and motivated, you know,
by the ruling class. This is where

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we are today, and it is
the church. Clearly, when you think

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about what started this great American experiment, it was the church. And what's

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holding ground right now is the remnant
of believers that still believe in God.

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They believe on the foundational principles of
our Constitution. With us right now to

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talk more about this. His pastor, Stephen Broden. It's good to have

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him back. It's been a while
since we've had a chance to connect.

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He founded the Fair Park Bible Fellowship
Church in nineteen eighty seven. He serves

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as its senior pastor. He's the
author of Ponds of Change, The Exploitation

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of Black Americans by Progressive Liberals.
Is also a former Republican political candidate from

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the state of Texas in the thirtieth
Congressional District for the United States House of

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Representative, Pastor Broughton, going to
have you back with us, how are

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you, sir? Well, it
is really good to be back with you.

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Good to see you again, to
see that you're still kicking and throwing

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out good information. Well, by
the grace of God. You know,

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it's the mission he put me on. And you know when he puts you

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on a mission, it ain't over
till it's over, right, amen,

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Amen, So the game is still
on. Yeah, which we're still on

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without a doubt because they're Hey,
look at they're playing with a ferocity that

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we don't quite understand, and we
have to match and exceed that ferocity.

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The good news is is we have
Jesus, We have the grace of God

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his mighty arm on our side.
But if we don't tap into that power,

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we're going to be like so many
other casualties in the history of nations

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that just went along to get along. Right. Yeah, Unfortunately, that's

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a possibility. But the remnant God
has always had a blessed remnant. The

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Church is triumphal. It will win
and although it may appear that we are

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behind the eight ball. We're not. Somehow, in God's prophetic program and

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in his timeline, these events are
not exclusive to what he has predetermined.

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And so what we're seeing is the
unfolding of God's plan on a prophetic timeline

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that we need to keep in mind
as we observe the world in which we

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live. It's never what you see
that matters. It's who you know.

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God is greater than what we say. Well, without a doubt in pasting,

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I've been saying for years, short
of a what I call an in

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of a moment, like what happened
to the nation of Dinevah, they received

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the message from the prophet and they
went headlong into repentance. Barring something like

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that occurring into America. You speak
of the prophetic timeline, we're on a

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prophetic timeline. We've always been on
the prophetic timeline. We just don't know

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the exact time and date, and
we're not predicting one here. We're only

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agreeing with a majority of Americans who, you know, it's interesting, whether

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it's an eclipse or something strange that
happens in the sky, maybe some coloration

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differential that we're not used to seeing. It's interesting to see how people instantaneously

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look up, right, Stephen,
I mean you know, they don't look

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down, they look up to see. Yeah. Absolutely, when things are

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unusual or outside our normal experiences,
we want to attribute them to a supernatural

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entity that's greater than ourselves. Some
of us do, and certainly those of

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us who in Christendom have a propensity
to look towards the heels from which cometh

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our help. But we know that
God has said to us within the Word,

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and I think it's in Genesis chapter
one, verse eighteen, that when

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we see unusual things happening with the
sun, the moon, and the stars,

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they are but signs, and the
signs affirm that our God is in

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control. That's all we look at. And that's all I said to my

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congregation as we were facing the eclipse, is that there's nothing but a sign

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that God is in control, and
that's all you should look at it as

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a sign of the sovereign control of
a God who is greater than the circumstance

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we see, and that there's nothing
that is happening that's in this world that's

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outside the purview of His purpose.
We keep that in mind. I think

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we can look at these things and
trust the God who is orchestrating or in

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nearing them for a purpose. Don't
you like that? He prodded us a

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bit that the trajectory of the eclipse
went through and by seven cities with the

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name Nineveh. Oh, that's another
indicator that God is speaking, and he's

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speaking loud and clear. The issue
was we're listening, amen, Yeah,

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exactly, And just like Nineveh.
That is my prayer, I know yours

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as well, is that repentance would
fall upon this nation in such a way

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that liked and innovites they took it
so seriously. First it started with the

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leadership. They needed to respond because
I mean, you know, we think

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we're in chaos. They were in
chaos during that period of time, and

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they knew in their hearts of hearts
it was unsustainable and that something had to

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happen. So here they get this
mighty word from the prophet and they respond.

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The leadership responds. I mean to
the point that everybody's wearing sackcloth.

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They're even putting it on the animals, right. Oh. Absolutely. The

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unusual thing thing is is that at
least they had a prophet or reluctant prophet

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who came and shared the word of
God. The question is, are we

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hearing any of a message that is
specific about repentance for America at this time?

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I don't think we are. And
I've been listening very carefully. Of

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course, I've been saying it in
my small corner of God's vine yard.

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But in terms of those ministries that
have national platforms, we are not hearing

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from them that our nation is at
the point where we need to repent and

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ask for the mercy of God because
we're headed towards or if we're not already

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in a portion of the judgment of
God that is on this nation right now.

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Yeah, there's no question the warnings
are there. The calamities have been

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coming at us, and so what
has been our response? And whether you

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know, I'm like you, I
wonder, Okay, where's the big voice?

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And what the Spirit tells me is
you are the voice. Are the

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voice. What you're saying, what
I'm saying, what others are saying,

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It's not it's not there. It's
it's that remnant. It's not you know,

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one hundred percent, never has been
one hundred percent of the nation.

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Okay, And it's always been a
remnant, and those that have ears to

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hear their hearing, and they're responding
and and and we can continue to pray

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and put the message out that God
has put on our arts Maaster, and

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to continue to speak truth to power
and to and you know, and to

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let them know this is what God
is revealing, revealing to us, and

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prayerfully they would be encouraged to be
in the word of God, that God

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would use them as an instrument and
co labor with them for a time such

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as this. I think you hear
on something that's very important here. We

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need to make a clear distinction between
the cultural church and the biblical church.

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Yes, exactly. Cultural church is
more concerned about being politically correct and and

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gaze in what is called quote unquote
social justice to the negation of biblical justice

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and to the negation of BC with
is biblical correctness. But the remnant,

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and there is always a remnant,
but it is not the majority. It

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is not the majority. The majority
of the churches in America are pecy political

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correct and are bowing the need to
the culture, and in so doing we

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see them affirming those things that are
clearly empathetical to the teachings of the Word

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of God. For example, we
know that there are churches out there are

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gay affirminges are more concerned about affirming
the perversion perversion of our culture than they

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are about speaking thus saith the Lord
about those issues. And that's what we're

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facing. And we need to recognize
that there is a distinction between the two

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churches, and the Biblical Church is
a minority, but it I think it

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was Samuel Adams who said that doesn't
take a majority to win, but an

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irate minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the hearts of men to win.

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And so those of us who are
in the remnant, the blessed remnant,

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that small portion of Bible believing Christians, ought to continue to trumpet the

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voice of God against the perversion,
the moral corruption, the moral rot,

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and the shifting away from our constitution
by those who lead us in this government.

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At this time, our country is
bankrupt morally and have embraced an idea

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that it's antithetical to that which is
in the scriptures through philosophies like Marxism,

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Darwinism, feminism, socialism, communism, secular humanism. All those isms were

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created by men and women who hated
God exactly. We need to know that

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if we're going to engage in this
fight, we need to recognize that there

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are philosophies that are dominating the public
square. And was it not Paul who

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said, any Colossians, Chapter two
and verse eight, see to it that

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no one takes you captive through philosophies
into deceptions according to the traditions of men,

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according to the elementary principles of the
world, rather than according to Jesus

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Christ. If you listen to what
Paul is saying there, he is saying,

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we have a stewardship responsibility. See
to you when no one takes you.

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That's my responsibility not to be bamboozled, seduced, and allured into deceptive

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ideas and philosophy. I must do
that. And the only way to do

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that is to be grounded and rooted
in the Word of God. And most

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of us are not studying the word
of God. We're not hiding the word

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in our heart, and we are
vulnerable to the deceptive ploys that are being

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exercised on Americans today through major media, and every major institution that influenced us

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today is under the socialistic paradigm.
And they are lying to us. But

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we've got to have the Bible to
counter balance it. And if we don't

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have it, we're dead in the
water. Without a doubt. We're talking

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to Stephen Broden, who founded the
fair Park Bible Fellowship and serves as its

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senior pastor. He's the author of
Ponds Have Changed the exploitation of Black Americans

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by progressive liberals. You know,
we're back to the basics, and that

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is that you've got to know the
difference between good and evil. The Book

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of Hebrews says that without maturity,
you're not going to discern good and evil.

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Well, how do you get mature? Pastor? Wow? I mean

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that's a very good I quote that
scripture often Hebrews Chapter five, verse four.

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Solid food is for the mature who, though practice underscore the word practice

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food, practice, have their senses
train underscore the word train to discern,

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underscore the word discern good and evil. Both the words are the words that

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gives us a clue as to how
we can develop the kind of maturity necessary

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for us to be discerning. That
is, we need to practice the truth,

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be trained in that truth, and
and it enhances our ability to discern

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what is right versus what is wrong? What is good versus word is evil?

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And that comes from the solid word
of teaching and preaching that comes across

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the pulpit and in our personal study
in the Word of God. If there

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is no study, there is no
growth. If there is no growth,

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there is no discernment exactly. And
then you end up doing what you're saying

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with happening to the church. What's
happening to people who even identifies Christians.

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You may identify as Christian, but
are you a practicing are you a maturing

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Christian? Or are you conforming?
And this is what's going on in the

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church. It's not competing with the
culture. It's not standing against it is

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it is looking at the at the
culture and saying, hey, I need

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to be like them. You know. It's almost like the children of Israel.

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You know, Hey, we want
to we want a king like the

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rest of them. Oh, you're
gonna give up the Lord of Lord,

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the King of Kings, God Almighty
himself for a human leader. I mean

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again, we're back at that crossroads
of life and death. You know that

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the Bible poses you know, Okay, you've got the choice. It's a

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clear It's a binary choice. And
this has been from day one since human

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existence. You're going to either choose
life or death. And the Bible,

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I love the Bible real quick.
It doesn't even hesitate right pastor tells you

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right away absolutely that's what you want. You're dead. Oh, and I'm

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your amen corner. I believe that
what you're saying is absolutely true. Those

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who claim to be Christians are really
claiming cultural Christianity. So Christianity is a

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personal relationship with God, one that
comports to and submits to the authority of

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the Word of God and allow the
instructive word of God to define for us

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how we live. And one of
the things that Paul often used in his

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epistles is that we should walk in
a manner worthy of the calling at walk.

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That Greek word walk means perry of
ditomy, which means to live.

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So if you replace that word walk
would live. He says, live in

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a way that is pleasing to the
Lord. And you can't live in a

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way that's pleasing to the Lord.
And lets you know what the Lord expects

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of you. On the amount of
transfiguration, Bill, a voice came out

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of heaven and it said something to
the disciples who were there with Christ.

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This is my beloved son and who
I am. Well, please listen to

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him. Yes, Greek word there
listen is at corol. It means to

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hearken. Unto hearken is a active
listening, an active awareness that God is

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saying something is not a passive one
one, It's an active when we seek

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first the Kingdom of God and its
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forsake me, I will forsake you. And so we must be engaged daily

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and seeking what God would have us
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These are very troubling times, tumultuous
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on in our country where we're embracing
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and we have abandoned the moral vicissitudes
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with a living God. Not one
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but one who is engaged in the
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the gospel message of Jesus Christ.
So I mean we're not listening, Bill,

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We're not listening, even those of
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Christ, who are part of the
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in listening to the political dialogue and
the diatribe that says that our rescue is

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going to come from a charismatic personality. It is not. There is salvation

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and no other name but Jesus Christ, not in Donald Trump, not in

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the Republican Party. Our salvation is
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Amen. Amen, Yeah, because
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listened to him. It comes with
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better than I would, pastor.
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a listen, but let's get back
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Jesus is saying, as opposed to
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We're back to that. We're back
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oh, absolutely, I have to
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not conform to this world, yes, but rather do what be transformed by

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the renewing of your mind. That
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differently, to process our reality through
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our judgment, our discernment, our
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the world is doing is so pristine
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the other side of where the world
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But that doesn't happen unless you have
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when you spend time in the word
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Ryrie who said this rate multiplied by
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spent in the Word of God will
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able to do what he Brews five
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versus what is evil. And then
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to the melese and the madness that
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an ocular demonstration of the reality of
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word. Well, Stephen, as
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much more chaotic than when you and
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like what God was impressing upon me
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You know, we're growing up together. We're all in the field wheatsentaires,

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a wheat? Are you a tear? You know and if you are a

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wheat, then you need to identify
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so that when it comes time for
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up with the tears that are worth
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tears. Tears are unbelievers those who
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the world. And I mentioned that
the institutions are influencing. I think there's

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seven that I have identified that are
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square. That is business and corporation
as one. As we see the advertisement

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for same sex marriage, advertisement for
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now through corporations who have bought into
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The universities and colleges and schools are
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is outside the definitions and outside the
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call them Luciferian institutions of public indoctrination
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and universities and colleges. And then
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arts are perverse, Yes, they
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normative. And then we have major
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print media, electronic media, all
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God. And then surprisingly, my
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in the House of Representatives are socialists, are socialists, and that's socialism is

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an anti God philosophy, an anti
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Yes, they are have been co
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Grimsey philosophy of transforming the culture consciousness
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they have been extremely successful. Yeah, well, look at the Democratic Party

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here. It's been what twenty four
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of their party platform. And so
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led the way to abortion now up
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child is born, just offer it
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on the table. I mean,
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Party that doesn't respect the inalienable rights
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and our Constitution life, liberty,
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word life again. You know,
where to choose life? And how this

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government has chosen death over life time
and time again. They have violated our

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basic, inalienable, God given rights
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as you mentioned, with all these
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God inspired to support humanity, and
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by hijacking them and lying to people. And that's really the whole body.

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I mean, they have obliterated the
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away the truth of God, you're
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is loaded with stories of the demise
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decided that they knew better than God. Right. Well, absolutely not only

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abortion that they lead the charge on
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of Saint Ty's marriage exactly, they
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this pastor real quick, just you
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nobody understands. Look at this isn't
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This is on the culture of what's
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and the marketplace, the public square
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me say, abortion good or evil
evil, homosexuality good or evil evil,

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trans you know, transsexual surgeries good
or evil evil, open borders allowing people

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to come in illegally good or evil
evil. Okay, So the deal is,

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you we know that there is a
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evil. And so when does America
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biblical truth wake up to realize that
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can no longer go along to get
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Germans. They acquiesced and they bent
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look what happened. It was It
was abominable, you know, the murdering

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and the holocaust of Jews. I
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what happened on October the seventh with
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again, good or evil? Yeah, those are the kinds of questions I

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think that needs to be asked,
and there is a screaming need, a

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desperate need for us to get the
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you have the major media who are
censoring US, government who is intimidating us

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as they did with Jan six,
and with the pro life movement as they've

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been intimidating them, that they're producing
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many people who are afraid to be
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they have the power through the court
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put you in there for long periods
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court battles that you don't have the
finances to fight. And most people are

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being silenced by the power and the
strength of a government that is tyrannically out

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of control. I think one of
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the government, it is tyranny,
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free them. Well, right now, there's a lot of fear in the

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public square. When this is it
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Jan six, and those people are
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for just simply exercising the first Amendment
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I have a friend that he's had
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just been there without due process.
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he will not recant his position and
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they've just put his case on hold
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what you're saying, exactly, Stephen, is what's happening. But you

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see this with that in mind,
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With that in mind, are we
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may already be up, but they
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the question is, how do we
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message that would excite and motivate people
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God has given to us and both
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of Rights. You see, I
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too, that America was founded on
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and the Constitution was written to limit
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Well, it's almost passed like we
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they lost association with God's laws,
right, And as they went to rebuild

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the temple, and they're going through
you know, all the archives and everything,

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and they and they find they find
the Book of the Law, and

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they take it to the king and
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the king, you know, repents
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a way that there's no argument.
And it's the same way. It's like,

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you think, if if America could
rediscover it's founding documents like the children

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of Israel did in the Book of
the Law, in the Law that they

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just rediscovered, and if America could
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Rights, the Declaration of Independence,
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moment, you know, just like
what we've talked about, and we've been

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very bold in addressing these issues.
We're on you know, through this platform

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here, you know, through YouTube
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hundred channels that goes around the world. There are some channels that will will

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sanction what we're saying, but we
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challenge anybody to say, Okay,
what you know, Pastor Stephen and myself.

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Whatever we're sharing, if it's wrong, if we are in error,

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then you know, then then confront
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a line. I'll give you place, I'll give you time to refute what

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we are saying. Anything that we've
said today is it has it been any

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desire to deceive or to increase awareness
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Because the fact of the matter,
and this is my conviction, Stephen,

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is that I believe the majority of
Americans what we're talking about, it's speaking

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to their hearts, it's finding its
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and it is igniting and encouraging them. And so what we need is

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an ignition point that where people will
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because we're not going to get the
change that we all desire, barring you

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know, barring Jesus coming. Jesus
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We know that many of us are
a praying you just got you know,

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there'd be some more time, he
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moment, then you know that that's
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we can retard the decay, and
I think that's the best that we can

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do as salt and light agents of
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the decadence and the moral wickedness that
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think the starting point is repentance,
that we as a church, the biblical

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church, needs to repent for these
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we have been consumed with pursuing the
American dream. And the American dream is

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what's blinded us to what has happened
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our ship to come in for a
six figger income, a trophy wife,

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tickets to the Super Bowl annually,
and two cars in the garage and two

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and a half kids. And that's
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us to the wickedness that is around
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our light to shine brightly. Exactly. The light needs to be ignited through

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the Bible and through people and the
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we've got to not join the course
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answer. There is no political answer
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Right. And then the reason and
the reason we're talking like this and

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bringing truth to the situation here and
bringing God to the center of this problem

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is because we wanted to go well
with you. This isn't you know,

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some political ambition. This isn't hey, let's have one party went over another.

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No, you are a creation of
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a specific purpose. We want you
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if you're realizing your full purpose,
I'm going to realize my full purpose.

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Our kids are going to realize their
full purpose. I got I got

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to imagine that. I mean to
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the darkness, That pierces it in
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that's what we want for everybody,
isn't it. I think that there is

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no question that there is an offer
that is being made by God, yes,

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to all of humankind. His mission. God's mission is a rescue mission.

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He's not looking to save this thing. He's looking to rescue us out

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of it and then create his kingdom. And we are now citizens of the

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Kingdom of God. So we come
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condition of the world is because of
Adam's fall, and men are corrupt,

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they are slaves to sin. But
God can deliver us from sin, and

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has through the death bearon resurrection of
Jesus Christ. And liberty is in the

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deliverance that He offers through the Gospel
message. And so as many as received

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him to them, he gave a
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Living of God, not those who
are born of the blood, nor of

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the will of the flesh, nor
of the little man, but the will

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of God. So when this gospel
hits your ear and you hear it,

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that means God wills for you to
come out of darkness into the Kingdom of

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God, into the Kingdom of Light, and live for Him and prioritize the

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kingdom above this chaos, this tumult
that is getting worse day by day,

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not only here in America, but
across this planet exactly. Evil is metastasizing.

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Right, And you think about this, Stephen, here, we are

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not that far away from the most
recent celebration of Eastern resurrection. We've had

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over two thousand years of the history
of this world. You know from the

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resurrection, the tomb is still empty. God has made it clear, He's

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made it plain to everybody that,
as you said, he's faithful to his

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promise, so much so that he
sent his son on a rescue mission,

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as you put it, to bring
us back home where we all belong.

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Because those of us who are believers
that hold to kingdom principles, we are

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living as aliens. We know that
that we're round pegs and square holes on

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planet Earth right now, are we
not. We're pilgrims passing through. I

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mean, we're on a trail and
on a mission that is tied to the

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King of king and Lord of lords, and so we are his ambassadors.

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We are his witnesses. And the
inver of light that shines within this darkness

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right now is us. Yes,
we are the light of hope. And

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that word in the Greek hope is
el pedzo, and that means a future

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expectation of something good is going to
happen. The good is Jesus. This

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is coming again, right He's bringing
his kingdom and his temple right for his

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rulership over all of mankind. Well, it's it's like you know, Tony,

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Campaula one of my favorite Easter sermons. You know, it's Friday,

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Sunday's coming. It looks dark,
it looks like, you know, we've

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lost. There's no way we're going
to come out of this. And you

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imagine what the apostles and disciples went
through that period of time and thinking,

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you know, they misunderstood what jesus
mission was all about, right even to

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the point where Peter says, hey, no, you can't go to the

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cross, you can't die, and
Jesus said, very plainly, again knowing

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quickly, the difference between good and
evil, get behind me, Satan.

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You know that is evil that comes
from the pit of hell. That not

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that doesn't come you know, from
you know, from God. But on

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the other you know, by the
same token, here's Peter, the same

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guy who declares who Jesus is,
and Jesus says, hey, you didn't

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get that from anybody but the throne
room of God. God. I told

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you that, right, So you
know, this is this is the you

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know kind of the contrast, the
contradiction that we walk in our humanity is

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that we have this conflict, as
Paul says, the things I want to

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do, I don't do. That's
what I want. I don't want to

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do I do. I mean,
this is uh, this is what we

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live with. And Peter is that
example. And Peter was, you know,

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the leader of the Apostles, and
Jesus leaned on him and uh and

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demonstrated that though we can mess up, God's commitment to us is still there,

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it's still firm. Right. Well, absolutely, I think he raised

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an issue here, Bill, and
he raised East Easter and the Resurrection Sunday.

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And here's what I talked on on
that day. First of all,

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Joe Biden turned it into a transgender
visibility day, so he you know,

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he just blasphem and raised his to
God on that day. I want you

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to know that's what he did.
Yes, he slandered the most holy day

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on our calendar, the Resurrection,
which means that we have new life in

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Christ, that the propitiation, the
satisfaction for our sin was fulfilled at the

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Cross and through the Resurrection. But
I want you to notice what you said

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that the disciples did not want him
to go to the cross. Why because

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they had their own agenda. Exactly. Their agenda was for him to establish

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his kingdom on earth. Right now, take the rule of the Romans off

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of us right now, and so
they did not hear him when he instructed

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them that he must go to the
cross. He instructed them repeatedly that that

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was supposed to happen, but they
didn't receive it, and they didn't want

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to receive it exactly. I submit
to you, Bill that that's precisely what's

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going on right now. But did
anybody of Christ. I want you to

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hear me now. Your prists are
not hearing what God is saying to us

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right now, which I believe is
judgment on this nation. He is saying

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into Babylon, you go, and
he's saying to Jeremiah, Jeremiah, don't

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even pray for them, for I
will not listen because they are not listening

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to me. We're not listening to
God and what he's doing in America.

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Maybe he's not wanting to rescue America. Maybe he is judging America right now,

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but we don't want him to judge
Americas. We don't want to live

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the conveniences and the necessities and all
the enjoyments and gifts that God has given

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to us. We don't want to
give it up. Maybe he's saying it's

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time now to give it up,
because I'm moving to come and I need

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to get this situation in my calendar
exact, and judgment is here, And

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judgment may have the name God's judgment
right now may be Joe Biden and the

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Democratic Party. The hammer of God
on us, who have we se so

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listen to God and have been looking
to bathe in the blessings instood of the

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bless or maybe buds already. But
we, like the disciples, don't want

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to hear that. We don't want
to hear that. We want God to

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come and exercise revival. Yeah,
we want God to act like a microwave,

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you know, microwave God, you
know, change it immediately. You

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know that's done. But you know, I to hear you speak what comes

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to mind here, And you reminded
me of this, Stephen, is that

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Jesus gave us a bit of a
formula of how to deal with the chaos,

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and it was don't fight it,
go along with it. So that

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if somebody asks you to carry,
you know, their stuff for a mile,

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take it for two. Right.
So there's a principle, there's a

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kingdom principle just in that proverb alone
and in that statement, because if you

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make a mile like that doesn't matter
because you went two miles, then nothing.

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You know, that's so insignificant,
it is so associated with this worldly

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plane that it reduces its significance.
Does I think there's something in there that's

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that's very powerful. Yeah, there's
a principle there. And the principle is

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that Paul says, I become all
things, all men, that I might

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win some The purpose is that we
begin become an expression of the Gospel of

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Jesus Christ, the paces of God
and the control of God in these very

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dark and dismal times. And so
but at the same time, we're not

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called to affirm evil when I called
to do that, and so I don't

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affirm same sex marriage. I may
sympathize with them, knowing that they are

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called in sin and that they can
be delivered through the Gospel message. But

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I'm not going to affirm that sin. And I'm not going to affirm transgenderism.

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I'm not going to affirm mutilating children
with this notion of gender fluidity,

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that I can be a woman today
in a man tomorrow, or a baby

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or he or it or any kind
of program pronoun that you want to come.

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I'm not going to affirm that,
but I will go the extra mile

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to help them to see and know
the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I will

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do that, right, Yeah,
because it's the truth that will liberate them.

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We know that. We know that
by experience, and because this is

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what happened to us. Stephen.
We've got about nine minutes left, and

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I did want to address this recent
article that was published in The Washington Stand

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a couple months back. It focuses
on the increased violence and vandalism targeted toward

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religious institutions, especially the church.
Break that down for us, if you

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would. Yeah. I think it's
part of a strategy and one that is

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set forth by Antonio Grimsey. And
I'm going to read you a little portion

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of what he said. So what
we're experiencing is what Antonio Grimsey calls,

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who was a communist philosopher and is
the quarterback and the play caller for the

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strategy set forth, the plan responsible
for the moral and political chaos that we're

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witnessing in the public care today.
Grimsey planned to subvert the West by infiltrating

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its institution. Cultural Marxism is better
known in America as political correctness, Ramsey

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said in The New Order quote in
the New Order, socialism will triumph by

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first capturing the culture via infiltration of
schools, university, churches, the media,

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which will transform the consciousness of society. Careful observation of America's culture recognized

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that many of our institutions are infiltrated
and led by men and women who are

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unapologetically socialistic. The socialist strategy is
to infield, infiltrate the church, because

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the church is their greatest threat,
is the greatest threat to their agenda.

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Well what about what about those pastors
that accepted money to sell people on the

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COVID vaccination, accepted money from the
government. What was all that about hirelands?

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The Bible talks about hirelands who don't
care about the sheep, are only

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there to make money, and if
that includes selling sheep or selling sheep off,

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they will do it. And unfortunately, that's precisely what has happened,

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is that there are too many of
these churches, and many of them are

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cultural churches. The biblical churches were
not engaged in that. I don't think

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they were, and my church we
did not. We said, don't take

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the shot. Yes, because it
has not been proven, It has not

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been tested, and we don't know
whether it is something that will help or

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hinder, And so that kind of
comes out you would be foolish to take

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the shot exactly. So we spoke
against that. But again Antonio Grimsey's strategy

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is to marginalize the influence of the
church. And quite frankly, Bill,

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he is won to day on that
quote. I know our time is sure,

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but I got to give you this
quote from Joseph Stalin. He says

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America is like a healthy body.
Its strength is in his patriotism, it's

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spiritual life, and its morality.
If we can undermine them in these three

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areas, America will collapse on within. Patriotism is a joke today in America.

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It will get you fired from your
job. If you wear a shirt

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that has a flag on them.
I have a flag in your hand or

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on your you can get fired for
that. And then spiritual life. Our

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kids are no more interested in spiritual
life than a man is in the moon.

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You can't get kids these generation Z
does not want to go to church.

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And our morality is seen in the
fact that our nation has embraced for

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version as lomitative. Yeah, same
sex marriage, jender fluidity, transgenderism,

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queen drag, queen story hour,
all that stuff now is normal, right,

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and the government is pushing it.
Joseph Stalm, Right, America will

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collapse from within. And if you
like me, here the collapse of our

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country. We know why it is
happening, because the socialists are behind the

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wheel and they're driving this nation off
the cliff. Well, as we pointed

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out earlier and just declaring, you
know, the difference between good and evil,

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we were also warned that there would
be those days when that which is

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evil would be called good, good, evil sweet sour, sour is sweet.

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We are in we're in the middle
of these times right now. So

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whether that's judgment or it's warnings of
calamities to come, because just like you

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know, when you look at the
pattern of God and how he judged Israel,

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there was an increased intensity of the
calamities that befell Israel because they turn

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their back on God. And when
you look over the recent decades of the

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history of America and these calamities that
have fallen upon us, you know,

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whether you just even start at you
know, two thousand and one, at

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nine to eleven and go forward just
you know, the last two decades here

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and you see what's happening to this
country. I mean some of these things,

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Steven, that have happened so quickly. I mean the transgender movement.

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Education, you know what our kids
of being indoctrinated with that were You know,

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we have books and classrooms that are
teaching kids how to use a lot

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utilized prophylactics and other things that you
know that should not be taught in school,

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and that has replaced the foundational principles
of reading, writing, and arithmetic.

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Right. Oh yeah. The more
you say that, the more I

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get kind of nauseated by the fact
that these things are true. They are

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not happen knee im G partnersiple indicating
an ongoing process. They have happened the

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past tense. And now those who
are in leadership positions in America, at

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every strata of our nation are pushing
an ideology and a doctrine that is anti

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God exactly. And I'm telling you
right now, we're not in the majority.

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And unfortunately, Bill, as we
teach and train our grandchildren now,

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because our children are grown and they're
they to be sitting around the table one

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day and they're going to say,
Granddad. Everybody in school, the principal,

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the teachers, the police officers,
the politicians are all saying this stuff

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is true. You're the only one
that's saying is not. Granddaddy. You're

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the biggest You're the biggest granddaddy,
right, because everybody else is pushing evil

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00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:07.360
and people is being swallowed by the
nation well as a Family Research Council report

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highlighted, it stated that there was
an eight hundred percent increase in church attacks

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over the last six years alone.
Stephen, Yeah, and the mainstream media

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is not interested in reporting on this. They're co conspirators in this movement away

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from God, are they not.
Absolutely. They have created a condition that

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has fostered a kind of enmity and
hostility towards the church. For we're the

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ones who are saying abortion is wrong. We're the ones who are saying the

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same sex marriage is wrong. We're
the ones who's saying that our children are

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born biologically what God designated for them
to be. We're the ones who are

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saying that drag queens our contradictory to
the word of God. The Bible says

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cursed is a woman who dressed up
like a man and a man who dress

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00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.559
up like a man is and the
Obama nation to the Lord, we're the

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ones who are saying that. And
so we put ourselves on the opposite side

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of where the government and where the
culture and where most people in the culture

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have embraced these things, and there
we are sitting on the other side declaring

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them wrong. Yeah, well,
because God said so. You know,

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we're just saying what God said.
You know, we believe God said so

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that it would be well for us. That's right. We got about a

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minute left here, and I just
want you to, you know, kind

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of tie a bow around this deal. And if you can find a way

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to even include your book Pawns of
Change and why people need to read your

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book. The book is found at
content of Character series dot com. You

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can find that on the website if
you put it in your search engine.

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I think to put a bowl around
this is that what should we do in

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light of all that we see this
happening? And first of all, we

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as Christians must recognize that's not what
we see. That manaters is who we

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know, that God is great than
what we see. We walk by faith

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and not by sight. The thing
that I would challenge your listeners who are

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Bible believing Christians to do is to
listen to God. Amen, this is

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my beloved son and who I'm well. Please listen to him. The Bible

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clearly says the Lord is with you
when you are with him, but if

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you forsake him, he will forsake
you. So we must listen careful to

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what he's saying and find ourselves on
his side, pursuing him as our priority.

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Seek first the Kingdom of God and
his righteousness, and all these other

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things will be added. Unto you, the other things are secondary. The

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primary thing is seeking the will,
the purpose, the power, the presence,

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the peace and the protection of God. Amen. Amen. Pastor Stephen,

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thank you so much for being with
us. You're such a blessing.

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Thanks so. Pastor Stephen Roden has
been our guest who founded the fair Park

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Bible Fellowship Church in nineteen teen eighty
seven. He serves as its senior pastor,

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author of Pawns of Change, which
we were just talking about the exploitation

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of black Americans by progressive liberals.
He's a former Republican political candidate from the

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state of Texas. Our thanks to
Pastor Stephen Broden from being with us nor

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thanks to you for sharing a part
of your day. May God bless you

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and keep you. May make his
face shine upon you. May he'd be

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gracious unto you and give you his
piece. Thanks again for being with us,

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Take care, God bless