Dec. 30, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 30 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 30 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 30 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez, Well.

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Good morning America. Six minutes after the top of the

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r Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. He's Troy Anderson. Troy

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is back with us. So we're going to talk. We've

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got a couple of things to talk about. This new

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book that he's involved with, which is quite fascinating and timely.

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I'm sure you'll agree as we talk about I've Been

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to Heaven that he co wrote with Steve and Kathy

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Boyle's Bulls, I should say, And so we'll touch on

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that for just a moment, but I want to get

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to Troy's feel just in terms of a spiritual context

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of what's happening in the culture right now. You know, Troy,

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no doubt, since the assassination of Charlie Kurt, you know,

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the country, I would dare say even the world, his

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head's been turned, you know, upside down because of all this.

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And you've got people, especially young kids, you know, looking

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for hope. I mean, I think last month it was

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reported that Bible sales was up like over forty five percent.

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Yeah, yeah, Bill, I mean it's amazing what's happened. I

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mean it's very tragic. Charlie Kirk's asassination, of course as

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a shocking event for the entire country and for the

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entire world. But you know, since that time, we've seen

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this gigantic interest in heaven, you know, because people.

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Were talking about or did Chartie Cree go?

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He went?

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He went to Heaven right, and comparisons to the martyr

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Stephen and the Bible, and that ignited the early Christianity.

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And so we're seeing this explosion of interest, mostly among

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young people. I think there's fifty four thousand requests for

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new chapters of Turning Point USA after his assassination at

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high schools and colleges nationwide. And then our book I've

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Been to Heaven just came out, this incredible account of

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Steve and Kathy Boyles. He was at the hospital for

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forty five days on a VENTI later during COVID. His

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wife's a doctor at a hospital in Tulsa, and she

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was fighting to keep him alive. She was she had

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the prayer team praying for him, and this angel took

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him on this incredible journey to heaven. It's just amazing,

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remarkable story. Chosen Books say it's one of the most

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detailed accounts of heaven that we've we've heard about so far,

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and the book's become a number one hot to release

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in near death experiences, and it's given a lot of

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people hope. It's getting an amazing reaction.

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Well, that's awesome. And Troy, we know that, you know,

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people who are ventilated during during COVID, their life expectancy

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was measured almost in days. It wasn't you know, happy

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sailing to say the least. And the fact that you

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know that Steve survived it and then lived to talk

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about it. I mean, there was a reason in God's

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plan and also that this book would be coming out

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at a time. Again, you know, God controls the times,

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and here it is. I mean, sometimes you just want

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to pinch yourself, you know it just you know, I mean,

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first of all, thank you God for that, but I

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mean just that that you whenever you find, at least

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I do, when I find myself suddenly in a situation

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where I'm co laboring with God and I just really

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feel like I'm in sync with him, it just blows

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me away.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, because you know when Steve was in the hospital

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back in late twenty twenty one, and it was actually

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he's friends with Pastor Paul Bigley. I wrote Revelation nine

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eleven to Pastor Bailey, and so Pastor Bailey told me

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about his story, and so I helped him write this book.

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I did, you know seventeen different interviews with their their kids,

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their their doctor, they're you know, fellow doctors, Steve's sisters

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of former deput Attorney General in California, their pastor, their

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prayer team, and everybody completely believes the story. They're incredibly credible.

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But Steve kept on asking me, Troy, when's this book

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going to come out? You know, these books could take

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a while. I said, it's always in God's timing. And

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then you know, then this this perfect timing when people

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are looking for hope. And you know, I've been put

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you know, put some posts on Facebook, but I've been

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to heaven and getting hundreds of thousands of people, thousands

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of likes and shares, people coming to me. There's literally

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probably one hundred people told me about similar NDEs that

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they've had. Yes, and there's actually scientists are now studying

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this and they say that there's a recent article in

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a Scientific American about five to ten percent of people

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have had NDEs it had and they tell the same story.

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They go through this light, they go to some kind

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of paradise in heaven, and they have some kind of

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experience and then you know, God sends them back and

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she says, it's not your time yet, I've got more

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work for you to do on Earth. And it's it's

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all around the world, and so there's major scientists now

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studying this, and so it's a you know, it's it's

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proof of that the Bible is true and Heaven exists,

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and that's what awaits us if we, you know, give

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our heart hearts to Jesus well.

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And the thing is, though, this is a very personal

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thing for Steve and probably in many ways hard for

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him to put into words, because you're you're traveling in

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a plane that and I say a plane, a plane

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of existence that is beyond our expression. And so a

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lot of this is so personal, you know, for him.

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But yet he brings back evidence that whatever he did

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experience had to be supernatural, right.

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Yeah.

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The way he told this story, so after he was

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in the hospital for three months and then as he

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you know, was you know, recovering and they put him

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through rehabilitation is really quite quite an ordeal. I mean,

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very like you mentioned, very few people survived beyond a

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ventilator for forty five days. Almost all of them died. So,

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you know what, we believe it's brackless that he's still

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alive with us. And he started having these you know,

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remembering this this journey, this very extremely detailed journey, and

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this is very common among Indie people. It's not just

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like a dream, but they are completely convinced that they

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left their bodies in their spirit, you know, human spirit

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person and went on this incredible, uh, you know, journey

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to heaven. And there's many, you know, stories in the

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Bible of similar kinds of things, you know, a possible

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John and you know Ezekiel and and different you know

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prophets and that kind of thing. So you know, he

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he talks about this angel Marzuka took him to the

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welcome center in heaven and uh and it's the amazing

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beauty of seeing all this and then you know he's

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he talked about that every dog he ever had he

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came and jumped on him and like super happy to

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see him. You know and uh and uh. Then you know,

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he talked about, you know, meeting his father and uh

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and going to his father's mansion, and I guess his

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dad loves wood carving, so they did wood carving together,

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and he talked about going to a Bible study. I'll

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let him tell you more about it next week. But

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I mean, it's it's really a very you know, inspirational,

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heartwarming book. And and I'm just I'm just sort of

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blown away by the reaction we're getting from you know,

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readers and comments so far.

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Yeah. Well, like you say, in light of what everyone

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saw with the Assassin of Charlie Kirk, I mean, this

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wasn't a video game. This is real life, you know,

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and you know, of course, and everything that followed and

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the people's reaction, and they're hunger, you know, for you know,

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for things of God and for hope, and then this

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book goes a long way to help them not to mention,

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you know, the thing we call the Holy Bible, right.

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Yeah, I mean that's that's the most amazing thing, is

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that young people are rediscovering the Bible. Like you mentioned,

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Bible says are shooting through the roof, and so people

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are reading the Bible again.

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I was.

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I was on a bike ride here in Irvine the

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other day and there was a kid sitting under a

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tree reading the Bible. I mean, when's the last time

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you saw that, you know? And so yeah, I think

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people are rediscovering the Word of God, that the power

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of the Word of God, the miracles that the you know,

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God performs in our lives, healing us. That's a big

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part of this book is that we have an appendix

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of healing scriptures, and so these are the scriptures that

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Kathy prayed over Steve via FaceTime when he was in

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the hospital. And these are the same scriptures I prayed

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over my wife Irene, because while we're writing this book,

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she got COVID. It was hostpilied for seventeen days, and

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so I was on FaceTime with her praying scriptures over her,

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and I believe God saved her life. And you know,

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so that's very important to know that Jesus is our

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healer and he can heal us of different illnesses and

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things like that.

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Right, Yeah, because when you study the names of God,

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one of the names is Jehovah Rafa, the God who heals.

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Right.

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So I often find myself you know, especially in when

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you find yourself in those needs for healing or praying

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for other people, and that you invoke the power of

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God's name Jehovah Rafha. So all these names of God

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that are so appropriate to our daily lives. That gives

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us a lot of hope. And of course God's a

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promise keeper, right, So.

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Yeah, the Bible is full of all these promises. I

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forget how many is, but there's a huge number of

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promises that God makes to this in the Bible. And

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you know, if you put your trust in Him, he'll

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guide you through life. You know, of course it's not easy,

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but that's been my experience. I've been a believer since

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I was eleven. He'll He'll take you through all the

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trials and tribulations, the healings, miracles, provision. You know, you

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just got to learn to walk in the supernatural power,

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protection and provision, the Holy Spirit. And that's how we

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get through these these these troublesome times that we're in.

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Exactly time to go to break. We've got more from

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Troy Anderson on the other side. Stay with us.

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We're back with you, Bill Martinez. Here, I say, on

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the other side, on the other side of the break,

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we're not in the in the realm of the supernatural.

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We're into heaven. But but you know, Troy, you just

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can't wait when you think about, you know, the promises

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that God has given us, the plans he has for us,

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and what's waiting for us. Troy Anderson, by the ways,

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a Pulitzer Prize nominated and investigative journalists and the author

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of The Trump Code, which we've discussed on several occasions,

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and of course his new book that he is co

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authored with the Boyles, Steve and Kathy. I've been to heaven,

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you know, so that we've been talking about. But you know, Troy,

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I want to transition to where we are as a

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culture right now. As we mentioned, a lot of young

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kids looking for hope right now, Bible sales going up.

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be in the midst of a revival because of the

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reaction that's going on. I have been saying for a

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number of years now that I see bonfires of revival.

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But it's just we're just waiting for this ignition point

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to come in to kind of bring it all together.

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the spirit of repentance. We need to get to that

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point to understand how we've offended God. You know, it's

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like the children of Israel when you read in the

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Old Testament, when they came to the reality of how

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they offended God, then you know, what did they do?

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tore clothing and of course the famous story with with

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Jonahs at Ninebah, where you know, you know, the king

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got it and proclaimed, you know, a time to you know,

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to confess and put on sackcloth and everything, and they

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you know, talking about dogs and that they they even

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they even put sackcloth on the animals, right.

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Yeah, yeah, Bill, I mean that's the key here. You know,

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I think we've talked about this on your show before,

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but I did that Billy Graham back in twenty thirteen,

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and that's that's the exact story. He told me that

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when God sent Jonah to Nineveh to warn of judgment.

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The king and the people repented and lead the same

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thing can happen again at this time in America. And

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so I was so inspired by that. In my second book,

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Trump Pocalypse, we called for that National Day Repentance, that

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big event on the National Mall back in twenty twenty.

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Forty two million people watched that and President Trump flew

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over Marine one. It's your proclamation for a day of

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prayer and return. First president do that since Abraham Lincoln.

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it's not enough. We need We need the whole church,

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the whole body of Christ, like you said, repent of

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our sins. You know, America's sins were very great, and

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we need to humbly, you know, repent before God. And

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as we do that, then this revival will keep on

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growing and growing. And I think that that's what we're

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seeing happening now. We're seeing the fruit of this beginning.

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But I think we're just at the beginning of this.

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revival called Designated Disruptor Trump and Other Unlikely Agents Revivals

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coming out. It's the fall up to the Trump Code

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that'll come out on January sixth from Krisma House, and

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it chronicles this sort of this beginning of this revival that's

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that's taking place, and how God is using some of

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those unlikely people to help inspire this, you know, like

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like Tarti Kirk's assassination. As tragic as it is, it's

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helping inspire this revival among young people now well.

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the Greater Church, to be prepared to prepare itself for this.

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we're hearing reports of you know, people being upset because

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their special place in their special pew is now being

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taken out by somebody who is a visitor, you know,

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which is a good thing. It'll prepare yourself. You're going

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to have people coming in and but you know, what

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is it that God wants you to do? You know,

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the Bible talks about a word aptly spoken. We're told

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the apostle Paul tells us do not forsake the assembling

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of one another. I mean, this is all key right

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now because of the spiritual battle that we're in. I mean,

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churches are being attacked. Kids are being killed, you know,

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as they're in church. And you know, before Troy, this

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seemed to be happening in countries outside of America. Well

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now it's here in America. It's happening here. And I

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think this is a real wake up call for us

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to understand that this is a war. And you need

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to maybe revisit and do a deep dive on Ephesian six.

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on here. Of course, we have these very tragic, you know,

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shootings at churches and synagogues and that kind of thing.

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packed out. I mean, we go to several different churches

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here in Orange County and just recently, I mean there's

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this jam packed every service, just overflowing with people, most

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mostly young people. So I can see how, you know,

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you might lose your seat here and there. So I

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thought that that's a good thing. And so I think

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it's I think it's incumbent on the older generation to

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start to mentor these younger people in the in the

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in the Bible and you know, the faith journey in

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Christ and and and we should go back to Jesus'

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first instruction, which was to his disciples to take the

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Gospel to all the world. Our our main job is

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to share, share our testimonies, share our faith in Jesus,

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tell about the brackless things that you know, God has

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done for us to get other people a hope and faith.

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And so, you know, help help raise up these these

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new believers that are that are flocking into the body

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of Christ and help them find their their mission in

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God's army. And I've written these books, you know, the

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Military Guide to arm and Get in Your Mission and

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God's Army of Colonel Giemona, And it's all about how

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does it discover your place in God's army and what

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God calls you to do? And He has He has

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a purpose and missions for all of us. And so

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I just pray ask the Lord to show you how

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you can help with this revival that's going on now.

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You know, trying you bring up a good point here.

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And it's not like God's asking you to walk on

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water or part the seas. It's it's give your story,

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give your testimony, you know, like I always say, the

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blind Man, I mean, one of the most powerful testimonies

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in the New Testament. Very simple. I mean, he didn't

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understand the dynamic of it all. All he knew is, hey,

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this is the way I was as as a result

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of meeting this Jesus guy. Now I can see. I

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mean it's pretty simple, right, yeah.

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All these people posting on my Facebook pages, there are

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stories of near death experiences, there are trips to heaven,

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how God saved their life, the terrible medical crisis they

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went through, and they're still live. They're still here testifying

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to the brackless power of God. So you can go

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on social media, tell your story, tell your story to

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your family, your friends, your coworkers, get given your testimony.

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I mean, that's that's the most powerful thing that we have,

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is how God has saved us forgivenness of our sins,

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healed us, taken us through the trials and tributions of life.

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These are there are very inspirational, encouraging things, and the

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Bible encourages us to tell people our testimony well exactly.

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you be surprised how God will use that testimony. Right,

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no matter how insignificant you may you may think it is,

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it could be monumental for someone, it could be life

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changing for someone else.

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Right, Oh, what's that famous saying in the in the

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big City, there's there's nine thousand different you know movies. Essentially,

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there's nine thousand or nine million different stories. We all

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all have an amazing story and testimony. And so yeah,

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to share your share how God's you know, forgiven you

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and and and help you overcome things and healed you,

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and these things are incredibly powerful to people. There's surveys

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out there on that something like fifty sixty percent of

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people would go to church and somebody would just invite them.

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And so, you know, think about somebody and your your

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you know, so your network that might be open to

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this and this is invited to go to church with you.

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That'd be a great start.

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nobody asked, and just just by asking and inviting somebody

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can make a big difference, uh, you know, for both

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of you, because that's the way God works, right, We're

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all interconnected. I mean, you know, God said it's it's

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better to give them to receive, but he doesn't say

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that receiving is bad.

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Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

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You know, it's both are both are good things, you know,

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and we're all we are all interconnected, and we're all

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descended from Adam and Eve, and we're all part of

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you know, God's, God's God's family, and he wants all

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of us to go to heaven one day. And so

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I think doctor Billy Bram, she's been holding these big

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conferences and Steve and Kathy were just that one in Branson, Missouri,

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the Autimus simply and there's like three thousand people there

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and she's talking about she's been collecting these stories for

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many years about all these going to heaven, and she

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believes that Jesus taking a lot of people to heaven

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and sending them back so they can give their testimony

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or the reality of heaven, that that's the real place

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that awaits us after this life. And you know, encourage

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people to ask you to forgive them other sins so

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they can be forgiven and go to heaven one day.

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Right exactly, Well, there's lots to look forward to. But meanwhile,

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we're here in the here and now and understand this

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that you know, the evil is not going to allow

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good to have its way. It's going to resist. So

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with every awakening, with every revival, you almost see parallel

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paths where you have a revival taking place and you

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have the evil one raising its head. We got about

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thirty seconds left, Troy. I'm gonna let you wrap it up.

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Go ahead.

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we've got a story of stories to share with you.

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We've been hearing a lot these days about Airbnb, and

556
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before warned here. In fact, I think it's quite interesting.

557
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I was sharing with Matthew Charles Arbitell, who's going to

558
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be on with this.

559
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In just a moment.

560
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You know that I had been noticing Nick Saban's AIRBNBTV spot,

561
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.759
which that was quite interesting and it's kind of comical

562
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:50.720
and people have laughed it off. But as I'm hearing

563
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.680
more and more stories about Airbnb, they're saying, hey, that

564
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.319
is that is the tip of the iceberg, that the

565
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.279
nightmare is worse than going into an airb and b

566
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.759
and sharing a hot tub with the owner of the facility.

567
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.839
And you're going to hear more about Matthew's story here

568
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.240
in just a second, and we'll bring him on now. Matthew, welcome, Michelle.

569
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Good to have you with us.

570
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Thank you, Bill, it's good to be here.

571
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Thank you.

572
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.480
V Well, great to have here. Just give you a

573
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little background on Matthews, a former Trump digital marketing strategists

574
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CO founder of Common Sense Elections. We love that common

575
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Sense Elections a super packed and he's here to tell

576
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:35.319
his Airbnb night story. Nightmare of a story that, as

577
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:39.880
I'm hearing it, Matthew, this is happening way too common,

578
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.279
way too often.

579
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.680
Yeah, well, first, thank you for having me and you know,

580
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:49.799
giving me the opportunity to tell you know, what's going

581
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.480
on and what's affecting what I've learned tens of thousands

582
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:58.000
of people. I used to love Airbnb maybe ten years ago.

583
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:02.240
I mean, I've never had a problem. And I hate

584
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.279
to say this, but I'm beginning to believe that some

585
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.440
of what happened may may have been politically motivated. I'm

586
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.640
not sure. I can't exactly prove it yet, but you know,

587
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.559
there's a website called Airbnb Justice dot com where you

588
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:20.000
can hear this horrifying audio of an insane host and

589
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.200
it's really kind of tragic. I mean to make a

590
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.200
very long story short. You know, I had booked to

591
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.640
stay for a month in New York City with through Airbnb.

592
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.640
The host said well over three hundred reviews, so I thought, okay,

593
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.119
you know, probably could nothing. I don't think anything bad

594
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.880
will happen. I've never had a problem on Airbnb up

595
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.680
until now. And you know, the first two weeks were fine.

596
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.599
She wasn't even there. She was there for the first

597
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.559
few days. We talked, we got along great. The Sun

598
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.519
was there, which was very bizarre. It was kind of strange.

599
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.480
And I remember the Sun had asked me, he said, hey,

600
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.720
does your last name start with an A? And the

601
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.240
way he said it was very strange. And yes, because

602
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.400
in the platform, I use my middle name Charles to

603
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:12.559
actually avoid anything political. I deliberately use that. Flash forward

604
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:13.680
the next day.

605
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.720
Even even even at Thanksgiving dinner, when you go to

606
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.920
Thanksgiving dinner, you just use Charles. You don't use your

607
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:23.200
last name ever again. Steak calm around there to play. Yeah,

608
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:24.400
just kidding. I don't blame you.

609
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.359
Go ahead, fast forward. I gotta I got punched in

610
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.359
the face day later by the host Salted and I

611
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.440
saw it coming. When she came back, it was as

612
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.279
if she was possessed by the devil. I mean, when

613
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.039
you if you hear some of this audio, you'll you'll

614
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:39.880
find out very well.

615
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.640
It's got it's gut wrenching. I heard it. I couldn't

616
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.640
I couldn't endure the whole thing. And and I'm just

617
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.400
sitting here imagining what you must be enduring. You're there

618
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.680
face to face with that kind of hatred. I mean,

619
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:51.640
that is rage.

620
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.599
Oh yeah, and that now thankfully I recorded it, thank god.

621
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.759
But then there's a whole lot more that I had

622
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.440
to endure on the crazy parts. I you know, she

623
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.240
said these words, you know, and I'm quoting she said,

624
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:08.160
I Am going to kill you unquote. I immediately left.

625
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.000
I was on the phone with Airbnb for at least

626
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.599
five hours. It was a very cold day. All my

627
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.359
belongings were at this place. I was in the transition

628
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.400
of a move, and I'm already two weeks into my

629
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.519
set and I'm pleading with AIRBNBA. I said, please get

630
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.559
me out of here, please something in course of.

631
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.680
Course, what excuse me to say? With Airbnb? Just so

632
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.440
the audience understands, you pay in advance. Oh yeah, yeah,

633
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.480
so you're not paying as you go. Yeah, they got

634
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:36.039
your money.

635
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.039
Yep, they have my money. And basically, you know, it's unfortunate.

636
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.640
I mean, I was on the phone with them for

637
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.720
quite some time. They gave me options. All the help

638
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.960
is outsourced to India, so they have no idea what

639
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.680
they're doing. They gave me a few options of places

640
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.400
that were, you know, in a different state in New

641
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.319
Jersey for three days. I had two weeks left on

642
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.359
my stay and I said, guys, that's not helping me.

643
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.319
I was just threatened and I'll never forge had it

644
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.720
on my way back. They failed to remedy any type

645
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:07.319
of realistic solution. I was exhausted. I said, guys, I

646
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.279
not have all this on via chat on the on

647
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.440
the app, which they deleted twenty three of twenty five chats,

648
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.480
but I saved all of them, and I said, guys,

649
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.480
I'm telling you something bad is going to happen. I

650
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.640
am walking into harm's way. Sure enough, within maybe ten

651
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.720
minutes is when I get assaulted around twelve thirty in

652
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.559
the morning. And then I said, well, even though I

653
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.960
still stayed, if you can believe that, because all my

654
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:33.519
belongings were there, and it was in the middle of

655
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:34.519
the night, where am I.

656
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.599
Well, exactly where you're gonna go? Could you lock the

657
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:38.759
door or anything like that.

658
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.920
So the you know, the lock was actually broken. Yeah,

659
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.559
and she's already entered my roommate more than once.

660
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:47.759
I have that on.

661
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.440
Audio as well. She'd admitted to it, which I heard, yeah,

662
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.519
that's against the law. She puts some of my stuff

663
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.720
in the fridge. I have pictures of this. You can't

664
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.200
mix me up up. So I barricaded myself in that

665
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.559
whole night and I said, okay, let me handle this

666
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.680
in the morning. And I'm sure Airbnb I sent them

667
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:09.519
pictures of the black and blue right. Nothing. Just I

668
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.880
was being just. It's profits. There are people They're like, oh,

669
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.920
we suggest do you call it pol et cetera, et cetera.

670
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.920
I said, okay, fine, so I do. I finally call

671
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.119
the police. This was right after that rant that you

672
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.800
can hear where she's She's trying to intimidate me and

673
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.320
force me to leave, is what she's doing. And the

674
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.880
cops they're there within less than one hundred and twenty seconds.

675
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.440
They're there.

676
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:33.119
Remarkable.

677
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.159
I was, I was blown away, and they arrested her.

678
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.800
She's being charged with five counts of aggravated assault, two

679
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.199
of which are in I believe the second degree misdemeanors.

680
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.920
They ordered this is by the eighty eight. By the way,

681
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.000
they ordered a protection a restraining order on my behalf,

682
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:56.239
which is very unusual, right exactly. You know, usually you

683
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.199
have to do it and you really kind of go

684
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.360
out of your way. So the fact that they did

685
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.840
that indicated to me this is not her first rodeo.

686
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.159
Right, Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.

687
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.599
This seems like a model here.

688
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.800
Yes, And I did a lot of detective work. You know,

689
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.679
I have a good lawyer too, And you know, I

690
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.679
found out that she has five different aliases in the

691
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.840
state of Pennsylvania alone. She's quite the record, quite the

692
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.840
rap sheet. And Airbnb knew about this. And then this

693
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.400
is what opened up Pandora's box. I put this post.

694
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.840
It is around seventy thousand views now and tens of

695
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.159
thousands of comments on TikTok. A friend of mine told

696
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.320
me to do it, and I'm glad I did. This

697
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.559
is when I learned that Airbnb does not require background

698
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.480
checks for host or guests. Oh, and I'm like, are

699
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.920
you kidding? I had no idea through one of the

700
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.239
And then people are submitting me legal documents on TikTok,

701
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.159
like dock numbers and everything. One person had forty eight

702
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.840
counts of a criminal rap. She to forty eight forty

703
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.400
eight things. One of them was sexual assault to this

704
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.400
poor woman who she was sexually assaulted by one of

705
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.079
the hosts. And that's what I see happening time and

706
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.960
time again, is that they've gotten so big. Hosts have

707
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.440
basically become god. They know that they can do anything

708
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.760
they want. They can bully people, they can intimidate, they

709
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.440
can harass or assault, and more or less get away

710
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.559
with it because they can say, well, good luck with support,

711
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.920
good luck, try it luck. And then that's when Donnamy

712
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:22.679
and then I started to see I really said, you know,

713
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.079
I started to look at this from a different perspective,

714
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.199
and I started to find that there are companies online

715
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.760
that will who work with airbnbs, they're implicit in this,

716
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.599
that will basically buy you fake reviews, fake good reviews

717
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.760
and bad ones. Because it's like she's got over three

718
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:40.880
hundred review that's.

719
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:42.960
A lot, yes, right, yeah.

720
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.239
And the way she acted and giving her criminal background,

721
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.920
I'm like, there's just no way she's got so many

722
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:49.440
nice reviews. There's just no way.

723
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.360
Isn't that up?

724
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.119
Well, how does the airbing we're going to go out

725
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.840
of three minutes left here, Matthew, How does Airbnb get

726
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.599
away with this? I mean, are they just kind of

727
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.400
some nondescript entity in India or some out there somewhere

728
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:02.920
in the ether.

729
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.039
Well, they get away with it because they know that

730
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.599
this is they're kind of just sticking it to the man.

731
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.239
They're basically saying, well, we know that we're well aware

732
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.960
of what's going on, and they have full knowledge. But

733
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.800
they're basically saying, you know, good luck. You know you're

734
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.440
on your own. Basically, if something goes wrong on one

735
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.639
of your stays, you really are on your own. They're

736
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.199
not really going to do anything. They're not going to help,

737
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.880
and they want the host to continue to be god

738
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.199
because that's how they make money. And everything's outsourced, and

739
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.199
this should be Americans helping Americans. It should be these

740
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.760
jobs should be here, you know, a crisis team city

741
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.519
by city, you know, that should be scaled. This is

742
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.400
not too hard, but they're putting the lives of people

743
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.079
and putting profits first. And really, i mean, unless you

744
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:52.039
have an outlet or a platform, it's it's tough to

745
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.960
get their attention. You know, we father lots to wrong.

746
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.719
Klaim is they're you know, he was the chief of

747
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.159
staff for Biden. Already his judgment is already very questionable. Right,

748
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.880
that's their legal council that's the everything's legal counsel. My

749
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.519
main thing is you know that the women time you

750
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.559
have left is that this has happened to tens of

751
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.880
thousands of people actualy probably one hundred thousands, and they

752
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.119
all are outraged, but they have nowhere to funnel that

753
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.840
that aggression or that or what's happened. And I want

754
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.360
to start to get people to talk about this and

755
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.280
have justice be served to all the stuff that's been

756
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.320
happening to people. It's terrible. I mean, if I was

757
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.679
from Europe, I mean I had to I had to

758
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:37.280
pay out of pocket for hotels. I have no idea where.

759
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:38.039
To go or what to do.

760
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.440
I know the city I'm from the citey from you

761
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.840
in a Westchester and so you know, I want to

762
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.800
shine spotlight on this and you know, start giving Yeah,

763
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.880
I'll say this solemn majority, maybe a you know, a voice,

764
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.000
if you will, you know, there is a way and

765
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.519
to start, you know, Janet Rinning some buzz around this,

766
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.039
because this is it's not okay to be assaulted. I

767
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.679
I don't know if I can know it's politically one

768
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:01.719
of it, but it's not. This is not okay.

769
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.639
Yeah, well, you know the deal is is that, you know,

770
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.880
politically motivated. I mean, you're you're spend a lot of

771
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.639
time trying to argue that case unless you know, you

772
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.079
find something, you know, some evidence of her that says,

773
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.960
you know, she hates all conservatives and you know whatever,

774
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.719
you know kind of deal. I mean to me, this

775
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.079
is where the law has just gotten overly complicated. It's like,

776
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.519
look at you got you got assaulted. I mean you

777
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:30.559
can hear from the audio track alone that this woman

778
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.400
is unhinged and she's got a business, she's operating a

779
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.719
business out of her home, and there seems to be

780
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.679
a pattern here of where she has no respect for

781
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.320
the law or even providing the service that she says.

782
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.920
In Airbnb as well, I mean, is there any kind

783
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.079
of disclaimer with the contract that you that you signed

784
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.360
with Airbnb that says, hey, you know, if you have problems,

785
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:54.440
you're on your own. Good luck.

786
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:55.719
Uh.

787
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.239
It's a question more or less, and that's sort of

788
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.199
they try to kind of hide behind it, say you

789
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.400
you did kind of technically agree to this, and like

790
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.480
these one hundred page things where you click and say, oh, yeah, right,

791
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.159
you know what I mean. But there are statues and

792
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.679
there are laws under you know, extenuating circumstances that will

793
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.400
actually override that.

794
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:15.800
Right.

795
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.599
That's what the twenty three page demand letter that we

796
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.800
sent to Airbnb, which they mostly ignored. Right, They're like, well,

797
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.559
maybe we'll cover medical expenses. You know, I may have

798
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.280
a broken eye. I still don't know yet, you know, maybe.

799
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.119
And so that's where a lot of it gets kind

800
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.199
of interesting, as I say, well, technically you signed up,

801
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.360
and say, well, I don't think people are quite aware

802
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.079
of that, that you're allowing outright felons right to be

803
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.440
on your platform, right, and if people had any idea

804
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:48.519
or the slightest inclination that it could in an she

805
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.360
was using an alias, I mean, she was using a fake.

806
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.519
Pay Yeah, I mean, the whole deal, the whole deal

807
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.800
is is uh spurious at best. But you know, in

808
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.679
the situation is like who signs up to get assaulted

809
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.079
or sexually abused?

810
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.239
And this is a I mean, and I thought I

811
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.760
had it bad when I started reading this these horror stories,

812
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.400
especially with the sexual abuse, My heart went out. That's

813
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.920
when I was like, this is this is something else entirely?

814
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.000
I mean, And the the amount of comments I got

815
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.119
and the amount of its one horror story after another,

816
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.760
and justice has not been served for any of them.

817
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.719
One of them there was they paid someone to be quiet,

818
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.480
paid her seven million dollars to not talk, and then

819
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.840
now she I believe the time had lapsed or something

820
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.039
where she's able to talk about I think elements of it.

821
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.320
But she was paid seven million dollars for silence, and

822
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.400
she was sexually assaulted. She was sexually assaulted.

823
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.840
Well, you gotta imagine. God, God only knows what she

824
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.559
must have endured to get a seven million dollar, you know,

825
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.119
buyout like that. That's incredible. Well, Matthew, thank you for

826
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.639
coming on. I'm so sorry for what happened to you.

827
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.280
I'm sorry for any city. And this is regardless of

828
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.840
political preference in that I mean, this just should not

829
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.679
be happening in America. I mean, this is just absurd.

830
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.079
And but but keep us up to date. I want to.

831
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.599
I want to follow this and keep us up to

832
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.800
date as to what's going on, because, uh, you know,

833
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.039
I want our list our viewers, and our listeners to

834
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.480
be aware with anything that has to do with a

835
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.360
airbnb because this is an issue.

836
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:22.119
And like I.

837
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.119
Said, what raised a flag for me when I started

838
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.840
seeing those Nick Saban commercials, right, and I'm going, well,

839
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.199
that's odd, you know, is this is what happens because

840
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.480
my understanding of Airbnb, and I've done a couple of airbnbs,

841
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.719
you know, just kind of probably mostly like the experience

842
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.000
you've had. You go there, you got a room, it's

843
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.159
all good, no problems, everything's hunky dory.

844
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:43.840
Uh.

845
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.480
But we're starting to hear more and more stories like

846
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.199
this and this is a disaster.

847
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.119
Yeah, yeah it is. And you know, I didn't know

848
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.119
about the sabing An interview until you told me a

849
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.960
day ago, and I kind of chuckled. I kind of

850
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.199
found it amusing, and I was like, oh, it's it's.

851
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.119
Well, well you don't you know, almost been happier if

852
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.639
she jumped in the hot tub with you as opposed

853
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.559
to you know, cussing at you and you know, causing

854
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.360
you to out that night.

855
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.280
And oh yeah, it was a living nightmare.

856
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.920
It was a living nightmare, and she was out of

857
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.840
her mind, insane.

858
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.199
Yeah, and they let her get away with it.

859
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.719
I mean, they finally kicked off the platform, but that

860
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:25.719
took a few weeks.

861
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.480
I'm like, oh, really, they didn't even do it right away.

862
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:29.960
They no, no, she.

863
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.840
And I have screenshots of all that she was still

864
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.320
on there for for a solid couple of weeks.

865
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:40.000
Unbelievable. It was insane and well, well, Matthew, stay in

866
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.400
touch please, Matthew. Charles Arbitel, former Trump digital marketing strategists

867
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.480
and co founder common Sense Selections. Thank you, Matthew.

868
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.960
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and all. We got Jeff Camp We've stopped him at

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00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.639
the airport for just a moment so we may hear

951
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.400
a gate open, you know and closing call overhead. But hey,

952
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.000
not to worry about it. All is under control. Hey, Jeff,

953
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:32.760
how are you doing, buddy.

954
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:33.760
I'm well, Bill.

955
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.599
I'm going to a fatherhood commission that I go to

956
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.039
every year, and very hopeful to meet new people and

957
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.480
encourage new people and be encouraged by others. It's great

958
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:45.280
to collaborate with quality people.

959
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.000
Well, and I like the idea that you said, hopeful,

960
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.159
because this is the first week of Advent and you know,

961
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.760
and I was thinking about this, Jeff. You know, all

962
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.960
the time that the Jews were waiting for the Messiah

963
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:03.079
to come, is thousands of years to come, and yet

964
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.239
hope kept, you know, was buried in their heart that

965
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.559
Jesus would one day come on the scene, which in

966
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.760
fact he did, and you know, I just I think

967
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.480
what they must have gone through. And then even with

968
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.719
the realization that the Messiah was there, and also here

969
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:26.519
we are again in expectation and in hope that Jesus

970
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.920
will come back again as he said, because the chances

971
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.320
are he did what he said the first time, so

972
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.800
chances are he's going to do what he he said

973
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:36.519
the second time.

974
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.800
Right, Well, I mean the basis of the hope that

975
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.559
the Bible speaks of, the hope that Jesus explained and

976
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:51.599
of course proved, like you're saying, is confident assurance of

977
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.039
something that is going to happen, which is different than oh,

978
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.239
I hope the Seahawks win the Super Bowl this year,

979
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.599
or I hope that our marriage gets fixed, or I

980
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.679
hope that you know, I get that job. Those are wishes,

981
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:10.079
but hope in anything that God promises is assurance. So

982
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.519
that's what's so cool about you bringing up this idea

983
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.800
of advent. We first of all know that God kept

984
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.360
every promise in the Old Testament, like he did to Israel,

985
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.519
as hard as things were. And then Jesus showed up

986
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.800
and everything he said he would do, which was a

987
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.400
he said he would die and suffer to give us

988
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.559
redemption and salvation and eternal life, he did.

989
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:31.920
And then he raised from the dead.

990
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.599
So when he says I'm coming back and this world's

991
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.679
going to be troublesome and hard. Like I say, you're

992
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.400
going to face some blitzes, but I've overcome the blitz right,

993
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:46.079
he says, don't fear, take heart, have hope. I've overcome

994
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:49.079
the world. That is a confident assurance that God is

995
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.800
going to do what he said he would do. That's

996
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.039
the hope we have, not in a new political regime

997
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.760
or a job that gets better, or even that my

998
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.559
health gets better. It may not be that our health

999
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.159
gets better so we get the new body in.

1000
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:06.639
Heaven, right exactly. Yeah, no, but no doubt. But it's like,

1001
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.199
what is your hope anchored in? You know, like you said,

1002
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:12.960
you know, parenthetically, we may think, oh hey we hope

1003
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.000
this may happen, or hope that may happen, But what

1004
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.400
is it anchored in. What is the belief that that

1005
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.880
hope is tied to? And the Father said, look at

1006
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.400
if you are engaged and tied to me, then you're

1007
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.039
going to realize the full benefit because I don't lie.

1008
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.360
I'm the same yesterday, today and forever, right exactly. C. S.

1009
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.440
Lewis said that if you're hoping in heaven, hoping an

1010
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.920
eternal life with God, hoping in that things that are

1011
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.920
most real, which will last forever. Then you have the

1012
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:56.239
benefit of your future being secure. And secondly, Earth is

1013
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.440
not as tough to handle when difficulties happen. He said,

1014
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.719
Aim at heaven and you get earth thrown in. But

1015
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.639
if you aim at earthly circumstances, like I hope for this,

1016
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.960
or I hope for that, or I hope my circumstances

1017
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.559
get better, the problem with that is you can't affect

1018
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:16.360
earthly circumstances to much degree. And secondly, you may not

1019
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.800
put your faith in Jesus Christ and miss out on heaven.

1020
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:20.559
So CSS is so right.

1021
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.320
Aim at heaven and you get earth thrown in. Aim

1022
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.480
at earth and we miss out on both.

1023
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:26.800
You know.

1024
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.880
The other thing I want to touch on here, Jeff,

1025
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.159
is that you know, the Jews early on had a

1026
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.360
real tough time as we do, but even more so

1027
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:42.280
for them because they they say, well, are my sins

1028
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:46.519
really forgiven? You know, I'm sacrificing animals, I'm doing, you know,

1029
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.880
the things that the temple tells me to do and

1030
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.960
the rabbis tell me to do. But is that really enough?

1031
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:57.239
Do I have what you know the poet referred to

1032
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.960
as blessed assurance? Do I have that assurance. And then

1033
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.039
here Jesus comes on the scene and he starts forgiving

1034
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.840
people of their sins. Oh, my goodness, that just freaked out,

1035
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.000
you know, the Rabbis and the Sanhedrin and all the Pharisees,

1036
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.360
because who are you, You're not. You know, only God

1037
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:18.920
can forgive sins. So they had half the idea down.

1038
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.599
They had the idea that only God could forgive sins.

1039
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:26.239
And so here God Almighty sends us to one who

1040
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:29.719
can blot out all our sins and give us that

1041
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.800
blessed assurance that once and for all that our sins

1042
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.280
are forgiven, and that we have a restored relationship with

1043
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:37.079
God Almighty.

1044
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.639
My church has been studying the Book of Galatians, which

1045
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:48.360
is Paul explaining to Jewish believers who are threatened by

1046
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:53.880
other Jewish religious people that receiving Christ through grace isn't enough.

1047
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:55.760
You need to keep.

1048
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.519
Proving your religiosity. You still need a circumcission to follow

1049
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:03.440
these rules. You still need to be moral and earn

1050
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.840
your way to heaven. And Paul lets them know Jesus

1051
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:11.239
is the only answer, and it's grace that saves you.

1052
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:15.079
And it's also grace that lets you behave well each day,

1053
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.440
because it's not your behavior that earns God, it's his

1054
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:22.000
behavior that gave you righteousness. So I think it's a

1055
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.639
great reminder to everyone today. If you believe that God

1056
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.360
forgave you in an undeserved way, accept his forgiveness every day,

1057
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:33.360
and don't put yourself through the religious or the moral

1058
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:36.920
hoops to try to prove it to God. Now, God's

1059
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.320
love and his assurance of his love is going to

1060
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.599
make you not want to be selfish and prideful and

1061
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:48.280
mean and have angry retorts and lose control of yourself. No,

1062
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.440
you're gonna want to obey God out of gratitude. But

1063
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.719
it's grace that saved us, and it's grace that keeps

1064
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.440
us going every single day. We have hope because Jesus

1065
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.760
was res from the dead and he's coming back and

1066
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.840
he said, it's all by faith, it's all by grace.

1067
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.039
Right, And as Paul said, look it the battle on

1068
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.280
this plane, in this earthly plane is it's like the

1069
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.000
law of gravity. I mean, you're going to constantly fight it,

1070
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.719
whether it's your thoughts, your words, your deeds. But the

1071
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.039
difference is is that your thoughts aren't going to be

1072
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.840
as bad. You're not going to linger on those thoughts

1073
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:30.800
if you are converted, you know beyond. Without conversion, you

1074
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:36.280
linger on those thoughts, and those thoughts then turn into action,

1075
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.119
and then they turn into habits, and they will affect

1076
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.360
your destiny. Right, But you want it all to be

1077
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.280
for good, not down that road that's going to be corrupt. Right.

1078
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.679
Well, the good news is when you actually trust God

1079
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.599
and surrounder your life to him. Then the Holy Spirit

1080
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.119
comes in. When you're not really trusting him, but you

1081
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.719
just believe him in your head and you're kind of

1082
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.840
going through the motions as a Christian and you feel like,

1083
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.199
I got I gotta do better, I gotta do better,

1084
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.800
I gotta avoid that thing, I gotta stop doing that. Well,

1085
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.920
that's your personal power, and that's not enough. The Holy Spirit,

1086
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.000
when we surrender, is in your heart and your mind,

1087
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.360
and that's the voice that says you don't need that,

1088
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.480
you don't need to say that, you can avoid that.

1089
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.880
It also says you are not condemned because you just

1090
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.760
messed up. Just tell God you're sorry. He's already forgiven it.

1091
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.440
So it's the Holy Spirit that Bill speaks to us.

1092
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.599
It tells us you don't have to run this rat race.

1093
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.719
Jesus took care of it for you. But I think

1094
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:37.519
it's a great reminder that some of us need to

1095
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.760
make that conversion of not just being born again, but

1096
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.079
saying God, I want your total control. I can't avoid

1097
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.760
sin on my own. I want your thoughts to dominate

1098
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.119
my thoughts. And once you have that surrender, it's like

1099
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.320
you're emptying out the vacuum of your life so the.

1100
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.039
Holy Spirit can fill it. Yes, exactly, like.

1101
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:55.639
He's he's the hand inside the glove.

1102
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:59.880
We're just the glove, right, And when you exercise the

1103
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:03.480
full armor of God, one of the instruments is the

1104
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.360
is the helmet of salvation. And when you put on

1105
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:11.119
the helmet of salvation, it's a renewing of the mind

1106
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.519
in giving you the mind of Christ. So that's what

1107
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.400
you want, that's the exchange. I don't want my mind.

1108
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:22.199
I want the mind of Christ operating this humanoid body

1109
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:26.360
that you've given me, God temporarily, right exactly.

1110
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.679
I'm letting you keep talking because of the announcements in

1111
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.079
the airport, keep going well.

1112
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.199
I actually I can hear you, laud and Claire. The

1113
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.000
announcements aren't too bad. They're not a distraction. So we've

1114
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.599
got thirty five seconds left. So look at this is

1115
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.039
This is a great week to focus on hope. Really

1116
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.119
meditate and think about the hope that you have and

1117
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.239
the hope that God gives you. And listen for the

1118
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.280
voice of the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit takes

1119
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.719
you through this week and blesses you in preparation for

1120
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.159
the for the coming of Jesus.

1121
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:03.920
Make this week the start of your Christmas celebration much

1122
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.840
more than the start of your Christmas holiday, your Christmas celebration,

1123
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.800
which is receiving Christ and his Holy Spirit through that

1124
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.199
humble dependency talked about well.

1125
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.519
Jeff camp a national speaker, author of the book Receive

1126
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.760
and the Blitz. He's on tour right now even as

1127
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.559
we talk, so we appreciate him hitting the pause button

1128
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.639
for a moment to come on the show and to

1129
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.960
go one on one with us. Jeff, thank you so much.

1130
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.960
Take care, be safe all right, Sea, Bill blacks Leves.

1131
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Eight hundred ninety five nine seven oh two oh eight

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1151
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:43.960
Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live, Hey, Good

1152
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.119
morning America. Six minutes after the top Yart.

1153
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.360
Right down, Bill Martinez, your own with James Bradley. Yes,

1154
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.320
he is back with us. He's the author of for

1155
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.559
his Precious Rail and we had I'll tell you. What's

1156
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.519
WILLI an honored James to talk to you and get

1157
00:59:57.559 --> 00:59:59.199
to know you a little bit more the last time,

1158
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:00.119
and talking.

1159
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.760
At your background of course your dad who was associated

1160
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:11.000
He was EWEO GM M Corman, right, Doc Bradley himself.

1161
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:15.320
Right, yes, sir, brought to the screen by Steven Spielberger

1162
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.360
and Clint Eastwood. Flags of Our Fathers.

1163
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:22.760
Yeah, there it is, yeah, exactly, and of course all

1164
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:27.119
inspired because of your book Flags of her Father's and

1165
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.280
and of course this new book about the Vietnam War,

1166
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:31.400
a Precious Freedom.

1167
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:33.840
It's a novel New York Times, you know, from the

1168
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.440
New York Times, number one best selling author, the one

1169
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:41.159
and only James Bradley. And hey, he's acquiesced and join

1170
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.199
us now to talk about you know, what's going on

1171
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.719
with Zelensky and Putin, you know, James. My assessment is

1172
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.639
is that it seems like Donald Trump wants peace more

1173
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.280
than Zelensky or Putin does. Right now? Am I misreading something?

1174
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.440
You know? In Precious Freedom? Spook about the Vietnam War,

1175
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.840
Lyndon Johnson never said he wanted war. He wanted peace

1176
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.360
all the time. He was always it was always peace

1177
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:14.079
and peace plans and we're reaching out and we want

1178
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:17.679
them to come to the negotiating table. But all along

1179
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:23.440
he was uping the military equipment, giving more money to Lockey, Bell,

1180
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:29.159
helicopter raytheon. So you know what we've We're after peace

1181
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:33.280
in Ukraine, and we've given him what three hundred billion.

1182
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.559
Dollars at least or at least Yeah.

1183
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:41.400
So Trump has increased the national debt two trillion dollars

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since just last year. So I don't know, Americans have

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to wake up. We've got the best economy in the world,

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but we can't afford to pay our bills. We have

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to borrow money. And then we want peace, but we're

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sending money out. See what I've learned is we're not

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sending money to Ukraine. We say we send money to Ukraine,

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and then we send it next we send it next door.

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To Lockeed exactly exactly. That's the way the built. The

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wheels on the bus go round and round, James, you

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just follow the money, right.

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Well, we got told by Eisenhower that we accidentally built

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this system where the military industrial complex was. You know,

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I've been in the White House a number of times.

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If you look at Donald Trump standing behind him as

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a statue, and the tallest guy on the statues my dad.

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If you look at the statue, you can see my

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dad's acne. My dad posed for the statue. And you know,

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to Trump, that's all about courage and bravery. But I've

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been in the White House in the oval office, and

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my idea of the president is he sits at his

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desk and outside, right outside, there's seven lions out there

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with big mouths, and those are military industrial contractors, and

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he's got to throw meat. They're the ones that pay

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the big It costs a billion dollars at least to

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become a president. Who's paying those bills. It's huge government contractors.

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And you know people think missiles and bullets, No Apple, computer, Levi's,

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Burger King, Starbucks. These are major military industrial contractors that

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are on the government tit and you gotta feed them

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because they get everybody elected.

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Yeah. Well, and that's exactly right with Trump. Trump has

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probably been one of the most independent presidential candidates in

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our lifetime. He didn't necessarily rely on corporate money. But unfortunately,

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the thing that operates in DC, as you say, are

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all these individual interests, these elected officials that are tied

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to all these corporations that number one must get re elected.

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That is their mission du jour. It is not serving

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the American people. It's about getting re elected. So yes,

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the hounds of DC are constantly barking around that oval desk.

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I wish Americans could have lived with me over the

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past ten years. You know, I lived in Saigon, and

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Saigon has a higher quality of life than San Francisco.

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So my friends in San Francisco say, look at our GDP.

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Look at the Vietnamese GDP. They must be poor, we

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must be rich. In Vietnam, a girl in a miniskirt

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can walk around at two am in the morning. She's

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not going to get her ass. So, you know, I

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wish Americans could come with me to Beijing and Moscow.

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Moscow is an art filled, beautiful safe city. Beijing, man,

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they are not stealing federal Express packages off of people's

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back porches in Beijing like they are in America. You know,

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I wish Americans would look at the system that we're

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in and the quality of life. How's your quality of life?

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There's no homelessness in Vietnam. I'm in the island of

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Mauritius right now. This is part of Africa. I've been

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here two years, haven't seen a homeless person.

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You know, what what about drug What about drugs?

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Well, drugs are everywhere, but not on the streets, sleeping

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in the street, drugs.

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Not being zombied out.

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No no, no, no no no, oh no. See, Vietnam

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has the largest military in the world if you include reserves.

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It does. I can send you the stats, and that

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military is watching the border. So you're an illegal alien

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or you're bringing in drugs, you're going to talk to

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the Vietnamese military. So, yeah, there's some drugs everywhere in

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the world, but not sleeping on the street drugs.

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And I don't think Vietnam worries about a two tap offensive, right.

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You know, if they do it, I can tap on

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somebody who's going to try to criminalize their population.

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Right, But they're inside the borders. If you look at

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Eisenhower and Patent, where did they spend most of their

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01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:18.400
career inside the United States? Guarding the American borders, watching

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the Mexican border. We should have the US military instead

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of one thousand bases around the world, we could have

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that military up on the Canadian border, up on the

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Mexican border, shut this drug down, the illegal immigration down,

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have a nice, clean, safe country like the one you

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and I grew up in.

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Exactly. No, it's a matter of commitment, and there's no doubt, James,

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you and I talked about this before. The nefarious forces

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that have come in and have influenced policies in our

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country have brought us to this level, and so the

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American people need to decide is it worth it? And

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as you say, you wish you could take Americans with

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you to these other countries and their perception would think, well,

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Vietnam's got to be some kind of loser country now,

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or you know whatever, and then they go, wow, you know,

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the women get to walk around late at night and

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have a sense of safety. You know, Okay, what's operating

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in Vietnam that's not operating here in America. That's a

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good point.

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So my book Precious Freedom really shows the change in America.

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You know, when you and I were kids, we trusted

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our government because they basically told us the truth, you know,

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and we weren't out building this empire.

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We had media also that would hold them accountable to

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keep the truth. But unfortunately the media is surrendered and

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they sided with the democrats and they started they turned

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it into a propaganda machine.

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Well, it's propaganda. It is definitely propaganda. And you know

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in my book, the US Marine Commandant David Shoote of

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Honor Winner Tarawa says in the book, you know the

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media and the government has convinced Americans is that communists

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means bad. And he said that's why everyday communist China,

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the CCP communist China. Well, I don't know really, if

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you look around China, go to Shanghai, Beijing, go to

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these cities I've been on. I wrote a book about China. Wow,

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the quality of life in China, what their money buys,

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01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:32.239
the safety of the city. So they have a different system.

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Maybe it's not a system that we would like, but

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the idea that there's this good and.

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Result, the results are there. Right. Anyway, we got to

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Welcome back, Go Martinez here with the New York Times

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bestselling author of Flags of Our Father, James Bradley is

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with us his new book, Precious Freedom. It's a novel

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and a great story about Vietnam. I'm telling you you've

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got to get your hands on it. It will enlighten

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you and especially you know, for Vietnam friends, Vietnam vets.

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You know, my friends who served during Vietnam as I did,

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I as admittedly as I say, I didn't go in country.

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I stayed here Bayside, but you know I was there

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during the Vietnam era, so I saw a lot of

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the residual up close, not quite as personal as my

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brothers did who were in country. And of course my

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other friends and other Marines, particularly because they served in

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the Marine Corps. But you know, course that includes the Army,

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everybody else, the Air Force that was involved as well.

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But anyway, James continues with us, and James, as you said,

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you know, you look at what you know the communists

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have done, and you like the outcome. But how do

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you fit what the Communists have done in terms of

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outcome with a constitutional democratic republic.

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You don't because they're not communists. They have an emperor's system.

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They have a family emperor system, you know, to get

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into the Communist party. I mean, how is China communists

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when it's creating more billionaires than anybody in the world,

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you know what I mean. But I wanted to make

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a comment on this, on you talking about the press.

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You know. I went back to Vietnam and I interview

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01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:17.720
people who got shot, you know, by the Americans, fought

1420
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.399
the Americans, and they said, oh, welcome, We love Americans.

1421
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.720
And I said, you know, I mean, I look like

1422
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.600
the guy who's shot you. And they said, oh. Uncle

1423
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.119
Ho said not to hate the Americans. I said, how

1424
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:33.399
do you not hate the Americans? They killed your father

1425
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.359
and your sister. And they said, oh no, no, no, no.

1426
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:41.119
Uncle Ho said the American soldier, we should feel sorry

1427
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.840
for him because his government is lying to him. Uncle

1428
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.960
Ho said, these soldiers, Americans, they don't want to come

1429
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:53.039
to Vietnam and fight, but the governments line them into Vietnam,

1430
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.399
and so we are a victim of the US government.

1431
01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.840
And so are they. So they made an empathy by

1432
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:01.880
with them. It's unbelievable.

1433
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:02.319
Yeah.

1434
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.479
They if you go back to America, you know, a

1435
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.199
guy looking like you and me, we look like the enemy.

1436
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.520
Oh my god, we're the most popular foreigner in Vietnam.

1437
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:14.960
Yeah, that's incredible. But again, you know, I just want

1438
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.159
people to understand here, because it's not like you're being

1439
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:20.039
an advocate for communism, are you. I mean you are.

1440
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:20.479
No.

1441
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:23.880
What I'm saying is it's not communism. We're putting the

1442
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.039
name David Shup. The Marines said, we put this word

1443
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.760
communism on it. They have an emperor system. It's an

1444
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.319
Asian family system. Look back to the emperor system. So

1445
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.199
the emperor is the emperor for some reason and has

1446
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:44.079
a bunch of advisors, you know, and then these advisors. Okay, well,

1447
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.880
the people have the mandate of heaven. And what that

1448
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.920
means is if the emperor is screwing up, if there's

1449
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:54.119
war and poverty and things aren't going right, they can

1450
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:58.600
kick them out. It's not communist control in China. What

1451
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.439
the ruling part with the word communism, but take that

1452
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:05.359
off of there. If you look at the emperor, the

1453
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.439
emperor has a deal with his people. I'll increase your

1454
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.520
quality of life. I will make more people come into

1455
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:14.000
the middle class, and has ever happened in the history

1456
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.039
of the world. I will make the streets clean. I'll

1457
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:20.880
give you four hundred kilometer in our trains. I'll give

1458
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.239
you this, I'll give you that, and then I'll rule.

1459
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:27.159
But you'll stay out of politics. My job is politics.

1460
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.359
Your job is being a citizen, and be a good citizen.

1461
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.359
But in America, we think freedom is the right to

1462
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:37.199
stand and yell about the president on a street corner.

1463
01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:40.039
But where is it getting us? But anyway, we have

1464
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:46.680
different systems. But China communists. The Vietnamese personal income doubled

1465
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.159
in the ten years I was their bill. That's a

1466
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:53.319
communist country. No, it's an emperor country and it's being

1467
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:55.600
run like it has for thousands of years.

1468
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.319
And China, the same thing with President g is what

1469
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:04.159
you're saying is that we malinformed. Let's say, let's put

1470
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:06.720
it that way. You're there on the ground and you've

1471
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.960
seen it in operations. So you're telling us something you

1472
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.640
know different than what you know. We have come to understand,

1473
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.079
and like you said, we've all put it under that

1474
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.239
title of communism, but not necessarily.

1475
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.920
So I'll tell you a story. My friend one day

1476
01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:25.640
came and slammed her fist. We're not going to let

1477
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:29.000
the Chinese take our country. And I'm like, what what?

1478
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.000
And then there were riots and Ho Chi Minh and

1479
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.199
the police were pushing back the rioters and they were

1480
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.640
flipping police cars over in the middle of Vietnam, you know,

1481
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:43.560
catching them on. Huge riots all over Vietnam. Why because

1482
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:47.439
the Hanoi government said to China, you can have three

1483
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:52.720
economic zones and these will be Chinese, and the Hanoi

1484
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:57.520
government agreed. The people rioted, hit the streets, and guess what,

1485
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:01.399
the Hanoi government backed off and said no to China.

1486
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.479
So you know there's a mechanism that they have to

1487
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:05.920
listen to their own people.

1488
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:07.079
Yeah.

1489
01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:11.279
I saw the riots, Bill, I saw the people demonstrating

1490
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.880
they are not shy about telling the government what they think,

1491
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:16.359
and the government better listen.

1492
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.159
Yeah, even at the peril of their own lives, as

1493
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:20.439
we've seen at times. Right.

1494
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:25.399
Well, I mean we're shooting, don't you remember Nowark, We're

1495
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:28.239
shooting them dead in the street. Bill, I mean, we

1496
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:32.600
got China and Vietnam don't have ice agents all over

1497
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:37.319
the United States. You know, military guys with big Imagine

1498
01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:40.319
if we every day you turned on TV and you

1499
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.640
saw Beijing with military guys with huge rifles. You know,

1500
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.840
you think, oh, that communist system, but we put up

1501
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:49.920
with it in that's a democ I mean, that's a

1502
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:53.319
democratic system with troops in the streets. I don't like

1503
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:54.600
to see that. I don't like.

1504
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.439
That's because you're right, because that's because you didn't do

1505
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:59.920
your job in the first place. Because you didn't do

1506
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:02.239
your job in the first place. Now you're cleaning up

1507
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.760
after the fact. And here we are. I mean, the

1508
01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.520
numbers that we've heard in terms of illegal immigration, I

1509
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.800
mean it started a ten million, now it's fifteen. Some

1510
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:12.479
are saying, you know, twenty million is many, twenty million

1511
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:16.119
illegal immigrants, that these are new immigrants, James, these aren't.

1512
01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:19.119
You know, this isn't even counting the probably the twenty

1513
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:23.079
five million that we're already here. So it's just one

1514
01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:24.920
big hot mess. But anyway, I want to get back

1515
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:28.600
to again what's going on with Russia and Ukraine, because

1516
01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:34.000
I read this morning that Zelensky hasn't even read the

1517
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:37.960
peace proposal. And here, you know, we think we're coming,

1518
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:42.199
you know, to the final chapter of this of this conflict.

1519
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.279
There's war between Ukraine and Russia. And as you said,

1520
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:48.159
you know, billions of dollars, not only America three hundred billions,

1521
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.880
but you got Europe's billions as well thrown into the mix.

1522
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:57.680
And so you know, it's just unless it gets to

1523
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:03.079
the point where Russia and Zolensky won peace more than

1524
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:05.600
Donald Trump, more than Europe, then you know this is

1525
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:06.439
going to be ongoing.

1526
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:11.039
You know, Zelensky has nothing to do with this. Zolensky's

1527
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:14.680
a cocaine attict who's worried about his mansions in Miami

1528
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:19.640
and Monaco. And Putin is not going to negotiate with Zelensky.

1529
01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:24.319
There's no Ukraine. Ukrainian armies on its last legs. They're

1530
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:28.279
taking teenagers off the street. You know, Ukraine is a

1531
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.760
hollowed out mess, and Putin could have taken all of

1532
01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.880
Ukraine in one day. That's not what he's interested in.

1533
01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.119
He's interested in that in those Russian republics right there

1534
01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:43.119
that became party right, Yeah, he wants to protect them.

1535
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:47.199
The Ukrainians were bombing. I had a friend go into

1536
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:51.279
a Ukrainian hotel and the Ukrainians bombed you know this

1537
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:56.319
Russian speaking hotel. He I mean, you know. So it's

1538
01:21:56.359 --> 01:22:00.520
a long story, but Obama overthrew the Democratic government in

1539
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.960
twenty fourteen. This is all CIA to push NATO up

1540
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.800
against Russia. Russia said stop or we'll have to do something.

1541
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:10.840
I mean, Bill, if you take a gun to my

1542
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:13.520
front porch, I'll say back off. And if you don't,

1543
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.880
you know, so Russia had to come out. Russia could

1544
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:20.439
have eliminated everybody in Ukraine in one day. They have

1545
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.359
hypersonic weapons better than ours that have nuclear effect without

1546
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:29.239
the radiation, but they didn't. They're not interested in taking Europe.

1547
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:34.920
But Europe is imploding financially, and the European leaders have

1548
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:38.920
no excuse, so they're gining up this war fever. And

1549
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.680
that's what they're going to blame it on the system.

1550
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:46.920
The Fiat money system is falling down. That's the key.

1551
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:49.279
And then we're going to go to war, and the

1552
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:51.880
Federal Reserve and all the central banks are going to

1553
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:55.600
say it wasn't our fault we went to war. So

1554
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.199
they're going to take everybody's pensions away with the If

1555
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.840
you have dollar and you don't have gold and silver.

1556
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:05.039
You're in trouble. The stock market's going to go down,

1557
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:07.800
and this is all going to have to be blamed

1558
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:12.760
on war by our incompetent leaders in the West. But

1559
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:16.520
how come this this isn't happening in the East. In China,

1560
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:17.479
there's deflation.

1561
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:18.439
That's a good point.

1562
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:19.840
Crisis is the point.

1563
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:24.359
Prices are going down in China, personal incomes are going

1564
01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:28.479
up in Vietnam. The Mercedes and BMW's are popping up

1565
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:32.720
in Vietnam like tulips, you know. But Paris they're rioting.

1566
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.800
There were riots all over Germany yesterday. We got American

1567
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:40.920
troops on It's our financial the Western financial system is

1568
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:43.199
imploding and they won't admit it.

1569
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:49.000
Interesting stay tuned for details at James Bradley number one

1570
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:52.119
New York Times bestselling author of Flags of Our Father

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His new book, Precious Freedom a novel. It is a

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01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:58.640
must read. And James, thank you so much. You bring

1573
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:02.600
so much to the conversation and experience because you've been

1574
01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:06.520
there and you've been on the ground, and it's not theoretical,

1575
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:09.319
you've seen it for yourself, So thank you so much

1576
01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:11.920
for sharing it with us. James Bradley, thank you. Take care,

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have a great one.

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how we doing, Betty.

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Great to be with you. You've great to wrap up

1643
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the year.

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It's been a bill Yeah, it really has been. I mean,

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01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.079
can you believe how fast it's gone. I mean, and

1646
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.840
maybe it's been exacerbated because you know, Trump has just

1647
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brought out a fire hose as sin as he came

1648
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into the Oval office. And it's just been NonStop, has

1649
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it not?

1650
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It has in many, many different ways. So let's talk

1651
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about some of the winners of this year. Clearly, the

1652
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:25.039
whole artificial intelligence boom has been a big winner. All

1653
01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:29.600
the stocks related to that and Vidia, Microsoft, Google, Facebook,

1654
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.199
you name it, they're all pushed pouring billions, hundreds of

1655
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.760
billions into artificial intelligence. The estimates are going to be

1656
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.640
something like four hundred billion dollars is going to be

1657
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:43.399
invested in artificial intelligence this year and even more in

1658
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:47.239
twenty twenty six. Just staggering kinds of numbers. And so

1659
01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.359
all these AI data service centers are being built all

1660
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:52.960
of the country. It's caused a real boom out there,

1661
01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:55.079
and the stocks related to that have done well, not

1662
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:59.359
only directly but indirectly. For example, energy utilities having to

1663
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.119
build new plants and provide new power and update the

1664
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.840
grid because there's just not enough power to.

1665
01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.640
Power all these data episoders.

1666
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:08.920
So that's been clearly one of the winners, and I

1667
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:10.640
think it's going to continue next year as well.

1668
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:15.840
Yeah, I agree. And speaking of energy, the energy sector

1669
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.079
is hot, right, we might say.

1670
01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:21.159
Well, it is.

1671
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:22.640
And one of the other things this year is that

1672
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:27.640
oil prices fell quite sharply. Started the year at about seventy

1673
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:31.000
five something like that, now it's about fifty nine.

1674
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:32.000
I'nder sixty.

1675
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.399
Yeah, I paid the other day. I paid two dollars

1676
01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:39.279
and fifty nine cents a gallon here in Florida.

1677
01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:42.800
That's been a big winner, really, That's helped the economy

1678
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:43.560
in various ways.

1679
01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:45.520
And we'll see what happens in Venezuela.

1680
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.800
But if we take over Venezuela pretty soon and get

1681
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:52.279
oil pumping from there instead of the decrepit nature of them,

1682
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:56.359
that could add even more supply and push prices down

1683
01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:56.840
even further.

1684
01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:58.880
So that's been a big winner this year as well.

1685
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:02.560
Could you imagine the prospect I mean you mentioned Venezuela,

1686
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:06.600
The prospect of what a vibrant Venezuela could mean to

1687
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:07.880
South America.

1688
01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:12.760
Right, instead of the complete kleptocracy they've got there. And

1689
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:14.640
you know, it had been one of the most prosperous

1690
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.880
countries in the world. They gets huge or else supplies

1691
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:22.000
and purely because of politics and the communism of Shaves

1692
01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:24.560
and now Maduro, which is ruined the place, it's got

1693
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:27.840
tremendous potential to come back. And let's hope that happens

1694
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:30.560
relatively quickly. I hope we don't have a long drawn

1695
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.960
out war, have another Vietnam in Venezuela.

1696
01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:35.920
Oh my gosh. Yeah, that'd be crazy. No, I agree, Yeah.

1697
01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:38.319
So that's what Okay. The next area is clearly bitcoin.

1698
01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:42.159
Bitcoin started the year about fifty thousand, It got as

1699
01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.199
high as about one hundred and twenty five thousand. Now

1700
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:47.159
it's about ninety thousand or so. But clearly a lot

1701
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:50.279
of people are moving money out of traditional assets into bitcoin,

1702
01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:52.239
and I think that's going to continue to be a

1703
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.199
winter next year. It's violatile day to day in long term,

1704
01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:58.119
I think, clearly, and President Trump has been kind of

1705
01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:01.560
all in on bitcoin, making it easier and making us

1706
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:04.039
a major player. Book good because if we didn't do that,

1707
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:06.159
we'd be left behind the rest of the world is moving.

1708
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.359
Oh, no doubt, no doubt. And the other thing too

1709
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:11.640
is crypto wallets, right, and which is all part it's

1710
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.359
a derivative, but it's all you know, it's all part

1711
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:21.920
of the infrastructure of this you know, data currency, and

1712
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:22.439
so it's.

1713
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:25.000
Going to get bigger and bigger is not clear whene

1714
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:27.159
you want explosure to that. Another big winner this year

1715
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.920
has been gold and silver. Gold is over forty two

1716
01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:35.520
hundred announce, silver about fifty dollars an ounce. They've had

1717
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:39.560
major moves to some extent, all these countries around the

1718
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:41.760
world are trying to get out of the dollar and

1719
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.560
putting money into gold and silver to some extent as well.

1720
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.960
You've got the so called bricks countries Brazil, Russia, India,

1721
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:52.159
China that's now been added to twenty six countries in total,

1722
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:57.239
Saudi Arabia, Ue, Brazil, all kinds are the places that

1723
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:01.000
are trying to de doollarize and pay for fuel in

1724
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:04.880
this new bricks currency. So that's backed by gold. So

1725
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:08.640
that's gold and silver have had a huge move this

1726
01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:11.159
year and I think it's going to continue into next

1727
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.319
year as the kind of de dollarisation process continues.

1728
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:16.399
Well, what's going to happen. I mean, you know, we

1729
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:20.239
touched a little bit on fuel and the cost of oil,

1730
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:22.720
you know, down to about fifty nine a barrel and

1731
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.359
still looking at being lower. Yet what is that going

1732
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:29.199
to do in relationship to the attack on the dollar.

1733
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:33.039
Because America is I mean, we we're you know, producing

1734
01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:35.680
oil like almost like never before, right.

1735
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.880
Right, we are the word world's largest producer. But if

1736
01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:41.760
oil goes much lower, it doesn't make a lot of

1737
01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.800
sense for American drillers to drill. Our cost production is

1738
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.880
maybe fifty or something like that. Saudi Arabia's cost of

1739
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:51.800
production is four dollars a barrel, you know, so they

1740
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:55.199
can still make money at lower art prices where we can't.

1741
01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:59.640
So but overall, lower own prices are good for consumers,

1742
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:02.600
uh get puts more money in people's pockets. It's good

1743
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:05.760
for transportation. So that's been one of the big winners

1744
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.560
this year. So we'll see. I mean, if Venezuela could

1745
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:11.600
get back online fully, that would add a lot of

1746
01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:14.760
oil the market, so that could be positive.

1747
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:19.399
So that's you know a measure plus plus. Trump is

1748
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:24.000
real tight with the president in exile, who just got

1749
01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:26.640
the right right.

1750
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:28.560
Yeah, she would be the likely one to take over,

1751
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:30.920
and she'd be very friendly to us, be a very difference,

1752
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:32.760
And I think you're right. I think this could have

1753
01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.640
a big influence throughout South America.

1754
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:37.079
There's some good people.

1755
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.399
In South America, like the guy running Argentina, and there's

1756
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:44.920
some bad people so right right were in Columbia, you know,

1757
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.199
we're drug runners and Brazil Lulu or there's some crazy

1758
01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:50.920
people there. So if we get a nice, stable government

1759
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:53.640
that's kind of pro America and Venezuela, that would be

1760
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.239
very very positive.

1761
01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:56.840
Well in pro law and order, because then what will

1762
01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.199
happen is they'll start cleaning up their own backyard, right

1763
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:02.159
because you can't you can't have as she says, these

1764
01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:04.840
bad ownbrais are. I think that's Maria Salazar that says

1765
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:07.359
that can have these bad owmebreis running around right.

1766
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:11.159
There's a lot of them yea, and throughout central South

1767
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:13.840
America as well. So that's that's a potential winner next year.

1768
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:17.840
The other big theme of this year was tariffs. Now,

1769
01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:20.319
in April, President Trump came out with a so called

1770
01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:24.039
Liberation Day put all these enormous taffs. A lot of

1771
01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.439
them have come down since then, but it forced a

1772
01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:30.079
lot of countries into trade deals that we wouldn't have

1773
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:35.000
done otherwise, the United Kingdom, Japan, Korea, Australia, even China

1774
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:38.079
and so on. So that's been a big win for US.

1775
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.119
The tariffs have taken a toll, though it's hurt a

1776
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:43.840
lot of small businesses in the US because they can't

1777
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:47.840
pass on the costals tariffs to their customers in many cases.

1778
01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:51.600
So there's a big cloud hanging over the whole tariff situation,

1779
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:55.000
which is the Supreme Court's going to decide relatively soon

1780
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:59.159
whether these tariffs are legal or not. Trump is saying

1781
01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:02.600
the reason is legal is nineteen seventy seven emergency law,

1782
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:06.600
which said that the president has power to impose sanctions

1783
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.720
never went and mentioned the word taffts during an economic emergency,

1784
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:12.000
and he used that power to do this.

1785
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:14.479
We'll see what happens, but I think.

1786
01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:16.159
It's likely that the sup of course is going to say, no,

1787
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.439
it's not legal to do this, that you need Congress

1788
01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:23.039
to approve these kind of things. If that happens, there

1789
01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:24.680
could be a lot of chaos because this has been

1790
01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:28.119
the major economic tool that the President Trump is used

1791
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:30.840
to get his will in many different ways, and that

1792
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:32.279
could be undercut by.

1793
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:32.800
The Supreme Court.

1794
01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:35.720
Well, of course, if it goes to Congress, the Democrats

1795
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.680
are just going to have a heyday, you know, because

1796
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:42.359
there anything that would bruise up Trump and undermine his agenda.

1797
01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:46.039
And there's no doubt. I mean, you look at, you know,

1798
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:49.239
the net benefit of what tariffs has done in terms

1799
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:54.800
of bringing you know, labor, bringing projects, investment back to America,

1800
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.239
this sort of thing. I think the net gain is

1801
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.760
just humongous and and I think that it would be

1802
01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:05.439
a severe decision by the Supreme Court, and maybe they're

1803
01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:09.279
balancing that. I know that Justice Roberts balanced that when

1804
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:12.840
we were dealing with Obamacare, as you'll recruit right, right,

1805
01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:15.520
and so Justice Roberts, I didn't see him coming on

1806
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.560
the other side of the bench saying, no, you don't

1807
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:18.680
want to call it a tariff.

1808
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.119
You know, we'll see.

1809
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.279
I mean when they had the hearing, the justices were

1810
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.119
kind of saying, are you sure this is legal? And

1811
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:31.319
it's also a balance of power separation of powers issue,

1812
01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:36.000
because in the Constitution it's explicitly says Congress has the

1813
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:39.079
right to regulate commresce and tafts and this is something

1814
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:41.359
that President I mean President pump. Trump says he likes you,

1815
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:44.000
he lowers his tasks. You don't like your your tasks

1816
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:48.279
on his whim. Normally, these are done through trade agreements

1817
01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:51.359
that are ratified by Congress, so that's kind of legal.

1818
01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:53.920
So well, on purely legal grounds, I think they're going

1819
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:56.920
to vote it's not legal. But if that were to happen,

1820
01:36:57.319 --> 01:36:59.640
can you imagine the disruption everybody.

1821
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:01.199
Oh my gosh, yeah, exactly all this is going to

1822
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:02.079
want to refund me.

1823
01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:05.600
And all those and all those wars he stopped. You know,

1824
01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:09.359
they're back to fighting again. That's right, right, I mean,

1825
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.159
there's lots, there's lots hanging in the balance here. I

1826
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:15.800
mean it's almost you know, a domically sort of short

1827
01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:19.039
you know, that's hanging over this decision, right it is.

1828
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:20.960
It's I think one of the biggest decisions we're going

1829
01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:24.239
to see a long time. So if it if it

1830
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:26.439
goes against the President and they say these are not

1831
01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.319
been legal tariffs, maybe he's going to try to do

1832
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:31.720
it some other way, but it really should go through Congress.

1833
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:34.840
Would be very difficult to get done. And then it

1834
01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:37.960
also blows a hole in the budget. All the business

1835
01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:40.600
of Dello's coming in through tariffs all of a sudden

1836
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:42.479
disappear right exactly.

1837
01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:44.439
Well, I'll tell you what we got to leave it there,

1838
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:47.159
Jordan Goodman. How can they be in touch with you?

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They can always email me Jordans at Money Answers dot com.

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And it's been a pleasure being with you all year, Bill,

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Hey, good morning, good to have you with us. Bill

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Martinez here and also from Focus on the Family, Glenn

1918
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Luncheon joins us now he's a licensed marriage and family

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therapist with focus. Glenn, good morning, Merry Christmas to you.

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I'm going to say it early and often. Is that okay?

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That's right?

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Once we're past Thanksgiving, Christmas is right in order.

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I love the I love this holiday. I love to

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01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:40.399
set up with advent leading us in, you know, starting

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01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:43.600
with you know, hope. This week is a week of hope. Uh,

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you know, And I think back, Glenn, you know all

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those years ago when you know, Jews especially we're ever

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hopeful for the coming of Jesus Christ. I mean for

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hundreds thousands of years waiting for you know, God's solution

1930
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to our sin problem.

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Right, absolutely the ultimate answer to our greatest need.

1932
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Well, these holidays, there's just something about it. Everything gets

1933
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especially augmented our emotions and that good and bad, and

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they can take us down some you know, dark streets,

1935
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so to speak. And what I love about having you

1936
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on is that, you know, for those that may be struggling,

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you help us prepare and your remind us that look

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at that that is a normal response right to your

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grief that you may be you may be dealing with

1940
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at this time of year.

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Right.

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Yeah, there's a variety of reactions that we may have.

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I think what we do with those reactions is really crucial.

1944
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But just recognizing that grief impacts us from our head

1945
01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:51.119
to our toes is really an important concept.

1946
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Well. And I always think, you know, because here, even

1947
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as life goes on, people are being murdered, you know,

1948
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on holidays and thinking oh this is you know, that'll

1949
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be with them, you know, for Thanksgivings forever. It'll just

1950
01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:09.359
be one of those days of memorial that will put

1951
01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:13.479
a little a little darkness on the day. But you know,

1952
01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:17.119
but God doesn't want us to live without hope.

1953
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Right right, right, Yeah. I think I think it's a

1954
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scenario where if we allow grief to control us, it will.

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If we make a choice to say, okay, by the

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grace of God, by the power of God, I am

1957
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going to deal responsibly, constructively with this grief, then instead

1958
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of it becoming something that overwhelms us, by the grace

1959
01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.319
of God, we can have some control over it in

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a constructive fashion.

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You know, Glenn. And there's people many people who will

1962
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tell you they said it may Bill. Yes, as tragic

1963
01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.800
as this was, and I wouldn't want it for anybody else,

1964
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but God has taught me and you know from His

1965
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words that are pure joy whenever you face trials whatever

1966
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.479
you know from the Book of James, right. And it's

1967
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one thing to read it and to think about it,

1968
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but when you're in the middle of it living it out,

1969
01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:16.000
there is a dimension and depth to that verse that

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becomes so real and personal when it's all about you.

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Right, absolutely, absolutely that God, God can make even the

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difficult things of life work for good. I mean probably

1973
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one of the maybe not always the most timely verse

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for people, because when somebody is right in the midst

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of their grief, for somebody, to quote Romans eight twenty eight,

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all things work together for good. Can feel like, you know,

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a cold water on their face in the morning, that

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type of thing. But the truth is there, and as

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we work through the grief, we can get to that

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truth beyond the pain.

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Yeah, and maybe you know, like a lot of times,

1982
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it's just being there, being with someone help carrying the wait.

1983
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It doesn't mean you have to say something like as

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if all of a sudden you're the Holy Spirit, right.

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Right, Yeah, absolutely. I think sometimes presence is the most

1986
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:13.680
important thing. If you think of Job and his friends.

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It's when they opened their mouths that they started to

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get into a bit of trouble God as far as

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what they said, but it says they sat with him

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in silence for seven days because they knew his pain

1991
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was great. Those were true friends. I think they really

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had a concern for him. It's just that they misinterpreted

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kind of the situation and what was going on.

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It is the human condition, right, we want to fix everything.

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I mean, you know, I know my wife will say, well,

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that's just a man thing. I think it's the human thing,

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you know, And especially with our loved ones. We don't

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want our loved ones to suffer. And we sit there

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01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:51.000
and ponder and we think we know what they're going through,

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but you really don't unless you're in those shoes right

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right right.

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And I think there's probably largely two reactions that are

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probably less than healthy. One is where we try to

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01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.560
come in, we try to fix it. Maybe we figure

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01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:08.439
we have to say this or that, and so that's

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01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:10.720
one extreme. The other is where we tend to then

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01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:13.640
avoid the person because we don't know what to say,

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and so we just pull away. And really an important

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component there as we reach out to people is just

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presence being able to maybe ask them, you know, this

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01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:29.640
is your first Christmas without your child, without your spouse,

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01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:32.680
without your friend, and what is that like for you.

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Sometimes we tend to avoid that when that's exactly what people.

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01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.880
Need right exactly, and to that it opens up the

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question is how do you acknowledge your pain?

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I think a part of it is just realizing how

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important it is to deal with it. I like word pictures.

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I think scripture is full of word pictures. But here's

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a word picture that I think does relate to how

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01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:58.680
we deal with grief in our own life. When we

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01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:02.960
don't face our pain, it's like holding a beach ball underwater.

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01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.079
You can do it for a while, but it gets

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01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:08.960
pretty exhausting and at some point it's likely the beach

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01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:10.720
ball is likely to pop up and hitch you in

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01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:14.680
the face. And so when you have control over the

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01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:18.800
grief and realize that you can lean into it and

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01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:22.479
you can lean away from it. Because we're dealing with

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01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:26.439
grief doesn't mean it's like entering a door that Okay,

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01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.760
once I enter that door, it's going to consume me

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01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:32.199
every moment of the day until I'm done with the grief.

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01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:36.600
You can create those I call them containers of time.

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So let's say in the next couple of weeks, you say, Okay,

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I'm going to set aside some time for this grief.

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01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:44.159
I'm going to lean into it. I'm not going to

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01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.159
ignore it. I'm not going to try to avoid it.

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I'm going to face this pain because it's real pain.

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01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:53.479
But then I also have those other times where life

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01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:56.800
goes on and I need to deal with the fact

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01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:00.279
that we are celebrating the birth of our Savior, and

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01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:01.800
so there are other things. So I'm going to lean

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01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:05.640
into the grief intentionally, but then I'm also going to

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01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:09.159
lean away from the grief intentionally, not with the goal

2043
01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:12.199
of never returning to the grief, but as a respite

2044
01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:14.840
in order to be able to attend to those things

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01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:17.640
that need my attention. And I will come back to

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01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.119
the grief as I need to do that, And so

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01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:23.119
it becomes kind of this rhythm of back and forth.

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01:49:23.159 --> 01:49:25.680
I'm facing the pain, I'm being honest with it, but

2049
01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:27.960
I'm taking a break from it. I'm focusing in on

2050
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:32.640
other things, work, family, the reason for the season, Jesus Christ.

2051
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.600
But I'm also going to make sure that I come

2052
01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.039
back to the grief so that it doesn't control and

2053
01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:37.640
consume me.

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01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:41.439
And it's okay to say to God this sucks. Huh, Absolutely,

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01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:43.920
I mean God, God, God can handle that. I mean

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01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.319
Jesus said, look at cast your burdens on me. And

2057
01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:50.640
of course I'm not trying to overscripturalize or spiritualize this situation.

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01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:54.840
Everybody's pain is individual, it's personal, it's deep. I respect that.

2059
01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:57.880
But it's also time, as you say, when you lean in,

2060
01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:02.119
it's also good time to hear what God's saying to you.

2061
01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:05.199
And it might be a verse of scripture that you

2062
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:08.720
hang up on your mirror that when you hit that moment,

2063
01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:11.560
that dark spot during the day, as you will, and

2064
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:14.600
you see that and it re encourages you. It takes

2065
01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:18.720
you back to that moment of communion with God where

2066
01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:22.840
you felt, you know, the burden being carried by Him,

2067
01:50:24.319 --> 01:50:26.479
you know, and not so much just by yourself. Is

2068
01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:27.279
that fair to say?

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Absolutely?

2070
01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:31.880
Absolutely. I love the passage. I may have quoted it before,

2071
01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.760
but Lamentations three sixteen through twenty four. What's interesting about

2072
01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:40.399
the passage and here was the scenario. Jerusalem had just

2073
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:43.239
been defeated by the Babylonians, so it's a war zone.

2074
01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:46.199
It's not a pretty sight. Cries of people dying, fires,

2075
01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:49.079
all kinds of stuff going on, and Jeremiah is standing

2076
01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:51.560
over the city of Jerusalem. He's seeing all this. So

2077
01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:54.720
speaking of God, in verse sixteen, he says, he has

2078
01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:57.560
made my teeth grind on gravel. I have forgotten what

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01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:00.720
happiness is. And he's talking about really that pain part.

2080
01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:03.439
So he goes on for about four verses or so,

2081
01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:06.439
and then in verse twenty one, the very next verse,

2082
01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:09.560
this is what he says. He says, but this I

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01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:14.319
call to mind, and therefore I have hope. The steadfast

2084
01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:16.840
love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never come

2085
01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:19.680
to an end. Great is I faithfulness. So you have

2086
01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:24.439
this almost two totally different responses. Sixteen through twenty is

2087
01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:28.039
the heartfelt response. Twenty one through twenty four is looking

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01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:30.399
at the truth of it. And here's an analogy that

2089
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:32.159
works well for me. I just came out of the

2090
01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:35.279
dentist office last week with a cavity being worked on.

2091
01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:37.720
But when a dentist is dealing with a cavity, there

2092
01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:41.880
are two steps. You drill and then you fill. You

2093
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.000
drill out the decay, and if you don't get it

2094
01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:47.239
all out, eventually the tooth will rot from the inside out.

2095
01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:50.399
But then if you just the other mistake that can

2096
01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:52.359
be made is if you drill too long and then

2097
01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:55.479
there's no tooth to fill. So that fine balance of

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01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.680
dealing with the pain but then also challenging ourself with

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01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:01.840
what's true beyond our pain. If we don't do that,

2100
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:05.199
if we're just kind of caught in the pain twenty

2101
01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:09.640
four to seven, the tendency can be to move from

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grief into depression because there's some physiological things that are

2103
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:18.039
going on. The neurotransmitters that are being released or not

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01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:21.479
being released can be problematic. So it's important to give

2105
01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:24.960
ourselves that break and to really also focus in on

2106
01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:26.000
what's true beyond it.

2107
01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.560
Don't you love that transitionary three letter word button? Yeah?

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You know, I love that. I remember the first time

2109
01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:35.359
it came to mind. I told some friends of mine.

2110
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I said, I finally realized I'm a butt god Christian

2111
01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:40.720
and they go, but what do you time, I said, Well,

2112
01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:43.239
when you read in the Bible, you'll hear all this

2113
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:46.359
bad news and confrontation and things that are very depressing,

2114
01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:52.000
and then that transitionary phrase of hope comes out and

2115
01:52:52.279 --> 01:52:54.399
it rises to the top, you know, just like that

2116
01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:57.680
beach ball that's down there right It just the truth

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01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:01.119
has to come out, and it says, but God, but

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01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.359
for God, I love that about a minute left here, Glenn.

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You know, in dealing with this, you know, and being

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honest with ourselves about the pain, is that, you know,

2121
01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:17.039
we need to set realistic expectations and not think that

2122
01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:20.199
this is going to be immediate healing necessarily. Maybe for

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01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:23.039
some people it is, but for others it's a process.

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01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:25.560
And God is true to that process right.

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Right right, Taking the time, realizing that you're in it

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for the long haul, and it's not just Okay, I've

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spent two weeks, two months, two years, whatever time frame

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and now it's all going to be gone. Sometimes it's

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going to be three steps forward and two steps back.

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But recognizing that God is in the midst of it,

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that he cares about you, that he's holding you. If

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you've trusted and received his free gift through faith in Christ,

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you're his and he's going to care for you through

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the pain, through the loss. Because that's one thing we

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don't have to ever have to be afraid of. We'll

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let go of us and that's our.

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God exactly, Glenn. As we wrap things up, remind everybody

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where they can go if they need some help and support.

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Where can they go.

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We'd love to hear from them. They can call one

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counselor we'll get back with them within probably a forty

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eight hour timeframe. We'd love to speak with them. Typically

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a consultation is twenty or thirty minutes, and we can

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direct them towards some resources. So one eight hundred the

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letter A and then family, or they can come to

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Lynn Legends is a licensed marriage and family therapist with

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focus on the family. Glenn, thank you so much. Merry

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Christmas once again, my friend, take care.

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Merry Christmas to you two bill.

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