Dec. 25, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 25 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 25 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 25 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning.

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Six minutes after the top of they are Bill Martinez

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here with you know, the infamous Bill Fetterer. Of course,

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he is the American minutic creator, nationally known speaker, best

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selling author, and president of Mayor Search, Inc.

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Hey, mister Bill, Merry Christmas to you.

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Oh Bill. Great to be with you.

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Well, always good to have you here on the show,

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and particularly this time of year, the Advent season that

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I love so much. You know, you and I had

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a chance to spend some time together and talk about

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Thanksgiving as the start of this season of giving and

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spiritual awakening and tenderness toward Almighty God. Because God is

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He's always wanting us to turn to him and his

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arms are always wide open and here, especially in this

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time and season of Advent, right.

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Well, it's so important to realize the spiritual foundation of this.

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I go through it in a book called Believe. But

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the understanding is that God is just and he cannot

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help it. There are some things that God cannot do.

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One is he cannot be unjust. He's just, it's his

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very nature, and which means he has to judge every sin,

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because if he doesn't judge u sin, by default, his

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silence would be giving consent to the sin. And so

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if he made free will creatures that could love him,

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and we sin against him, he has to judge us.

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And so he came up with a plan. He actually

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had the plan before he created the first electron. The

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plan was his own son would become a man, and

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only as a man could God die on a cross

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to pay for our sins. Charles Wesley wrote the him

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an ma love, how could it be that thou, my God,

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shouldst die for me? So God is just, and he

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judges every sin, but he's loving that he provided the

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lamb to take the judgment for the sin exactly. And

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so the lamb is God's way to love you without

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having to judge you. It's his way to get around

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his own just nature, so we can continue to be

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eternally just. But He's love. And then Jesus, out of

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love for the Father and love for you and me,

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became the lamb, took the wrath of an eternal just

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God upon himself in our place, so that we can

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approach this eternal just God and not after worry about

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being judged. Right, So the Lamb is God's way to

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love you without having to judge you. So on Christmas

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we celebrate that God sent his son Jesus to earth

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to be the Lamb.

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You know, I look at it in a way.

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It was kind of like God's way of doing the

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do over, because here was in the garden of Eden.

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He had our first parents, Adam and Eve, and you know,

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they disobeyed, and the just God that he is rendered consequences.

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But God still needed I mean, he designed Adam as

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being the first of his creation. But now we had

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to redeem what Adam had done. And so it required

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the ultimate sacrifice, the perfect lamb, the perfect sacrifice of

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his son to redeem us. And so, you know, I

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look at it in a way, Bill, I don't know why,

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but it just says it's God's due over. You know,

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We're going to do over the creation narrative in the

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most perfect of ways.

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Right.

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Yeah, that's why the New Testament calls Jesus the second Atom. Yes,

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but you know, here's the devil and Satan. He's in

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heaven and he sends against God. He wants to throw

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God out of heaven. Right, he said, I put my

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thrown above the throne of God. And so Satan sinning

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against God, and God casts him.

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Out five times.

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Five times he does that bill he arrogantly makes the

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statement that he's going to put his throne above God.

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That takes a lot of arrogance.

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You know.

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And and there can only be one will in heaven

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for there to be peace. And when Satan five times

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says I will put my throne above the throne, I

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will be like the most. We've got two wills going

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on here. And since they're not the same, there's conflict.

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There's war.

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There's war in heaven, and Satan is cast out. So

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the devil comes to the garden, goes in and says, hey,

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if I get Adam and Eve the sin against God,

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God will have to judge him. He gets them the sin.

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That was pretty easy. And then he stands back and says, Haha.

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You're a just God.

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You have to judge Adam and He because if you

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don't judge their sin by your silence, you'd be giving

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consent to the sin. And if you give consent to sin,

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you're denying your just nature. You're denying yourself. You're kicked

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out of heaven. And God cannot deny himself, so he

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sends judgment, and in steps the Lamb to take the hit. Right,

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so God made Adam and Eve coats of skins. The

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Lamb slain from the foundations of the world. And so

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you know, canaan Abe Old Caine does an offshoot of

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the Church of the fig Leaf. He starts the Church

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of the Fruits and the Nuts, and his is a

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religion of works right. And Abele trusted in the Lamb,

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and Noah sacrifice Lambs, we got off the arc, and

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Abraham sacrifice lambs and Moses had every family in Israel sacrifice.

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The Lamb put the blood on the doorposts of their

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house and salo and had a thousand of them sacrifice

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when we dedicated the temple. Finally, John the Baptist, points

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of Jesus and said, behold the Lamb of God. They

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get the way they sends the world.

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So but I.

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Put together a book. It's called there really is a

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Santa Claus, the history of Saint Nicholas and Christmas holiday traditions,

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and so it's just a fun insight into this season.

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One of the first things I talk about is I

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sort of cleared the table, but I go through the

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date of Christmas and people say, oh, well maybe it

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was you know, it was the wrong date, maybe it

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was in the spring. It's like, well, let's look at

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where the traditional date came from, and if you like,

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I can go through this real quick.

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Yeah, yeah, let's do that, because that kind of it

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amazes me because you know, you and I've talked about

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this before, but it's interesting that that controversy still comes up.

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But that's okay.

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Yeah.

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So the Bookluke, chapter one says that John the Baptist

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dad was in the temple and he was of the

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priestly division of a Baija And it's like, okay, what's that.

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It's like a little detective story. So we got to

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go through this. King David divided the Levi priests into

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twenty four groups to minister at the temple, and Baija

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was group number eight. But we don't know how these

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groups work. They're just listed. But then when the deads

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the scrolls were discovered, they found out the Sacerdotal Rota system,

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which says that each of those twenty four family groups

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will serve twice a year for a week six months apart.

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It's like, okay, but when did they begin? And now

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we got another clue. Jerusalem was destroyed on August fourth

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of seventy eighty on the Jewish calendar, that's the ninth

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of Ov. And the Talmud says that the priestly division

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that was on duty when the temple was destroyed was

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jehoei Arab. Now's another clue. Jehoi Arab was the first

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of the twenty four groups, and a Bije's the eighth

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of the twenty four groups. And so if we know

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that jehoi Arab was on duty that family group for

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the first week of August, when August fourth, when the

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temple was destroyed, now we can count off eight weeks later.

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And eight weeks later is the last week of September,

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and so that's when the Abaijah family division would be

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ministering at the temple. Now that's a big week. At

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the beginning of the week is the day of Atonement.

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End of the week is the Feast of Tabernacles, and

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so and so here you have the Gospel says that

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Zachariah was chosen by Lot. Now another clue. There's twenty

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four thousand levites, and to be chosen, only the high

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priest goes in the holy holies, but the regular priests

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take turns in the Holy Place, and so chosen by

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lot means that you know, they draw straws, basically. And

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so for Zachariah to be chosen out of twenty four

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thousand to be the one ministering every day, lighting the candle,

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putting the show bred out in the Holy Place on

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this special week, it's it's like a once in a

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lifetime opportunity.

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Yeah, without it, without a doubt. I mean, this is

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this isn't circumstanchill. I mean again, this is the way

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God does things. It's always precise, it's according to order

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and according to His plan and purpose.

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Bill will continue on with the story Zachariah, the father

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of John the Baptist. He by lot is chosen to

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go into the Holy Holies.

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Go ahead, right, So the last week is September and

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the angel appears and says your wife's going to conceive.

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So he goes back and she concedes. Now, in the

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Gospel of Luke Twice, the Angel appears to Mary and says,

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your cousin Elizabeth is in her sixth month. So six

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months after the last week of September is the last

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week of March. And so now the traditional dating is

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that Mary conceived around March twenty fifth, and so nine

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months after March twenty fifth is December twenty fifth, and

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so that's where we get the time of December twenty fifth.

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Well, and it's interesting Bill that, you know, the way

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people again talk about it, that it was something that

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you know, in order to offset some pagan rituals and

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other things. I mean, man can think about their own

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theories and how they're going to orchestrate the calendar.

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But God's still in charge God, right, Yeah.

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And then the people say, well, you know, it would

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have been too cold in December for the sheep to

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be in the field. The temperature of Bethlehem and Jerusalem

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is modern. In the winter, it's like maybe it gets

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down to you know, forty degrees on the coldest night.

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It's more like Flagstaff, Arizona. And then there's a lot

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of sheep farm websites, and they say that lambs are

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born around one hundred and forty five days four point

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five months after the u falls pregnant, and lambs can lambing,

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or the birth of a lamb can start as early

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as December. And so this is a lamb farmer's website

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saying December you can have. And then what about the

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pagan thing, Well, Saturnalia was the Roman festival of Saturn,

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and it was on the shortest day of the year,

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which is December twenty second, not December twenty fifth. I mean,

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if you're going to pick a date to overlap a date,

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you'd pick the same date right exactly.

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And then you get into it. The Jews did not

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celebrate birthdays. Most of the Middle East and even in

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Asia they don't celebrate birthdays. We visited Turkey and my

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wife asked this one woman, you know, when her birthday was,

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and she had to dig through her cards and found

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it and oh, yeah, this is the day. She didn't

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even have memorized because they don't celebrate. So the Jews didn't,

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but the Gentiles did. And so it was only after

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the second third century that you would have this interest

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in when was Jesus born. Prior to that, the big

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day was, you know, the date of the resurrection. And

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so then you have the records of church fathers saying

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there's a saint Hippolytis of Rome.

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And he talks about Jesus being born on December twenty fifth.

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Now why is that significant Because the Romans did not

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start celebrating Sol Invictus, the birth of the Sun God,

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until two seventy four eighty. So it's actually Christians were

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celebrating December twenty fifth before.

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The pagan right exactly.

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And it's almost like Kwanza was this made up holiday

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specifically to draw attention away from Christmas from Jesus. The

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thought is that the Romans had this growing movement of

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Christians that they were trying to stamp out, and the

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Christians had December twenty fifth, so they decided to pick

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their pagan day to overlap the Christian day. Yeah, right,

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So instead of it being oh, Christians followed the Pagans,

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it don't It.

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Looks like it's the other way around, right exactly.

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Anyway, I get into that that's a little more academic.

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The fun part of my book is I get into

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the history of Saint Nicholas, and he was the most

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popular Greek Orthodox Saint Saint Nicholas is to Greeks what

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Saint Peter is to Roman Catholics, and that's why you

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have so many Greek people named Nick or so many

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you know Nicholas. And a movement swept through Chrischristianity in

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the third century called monasticism or Pietism that said, if

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you're really a Christian, you should follow the rich young ruler,

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give away all your money to the poor, and then

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come and follow me. So Christians would give away their

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money and join monasteries. And so Nicholas inherited a lot

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of money from his parents and he wants to give

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the money away, but he doesn't want.

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To get the credit for it.

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What good would that do. So he would sneak in

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the town at night time, in the little town of Patawa,

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Asia Minor today that's Turkey, and throw money in the

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window a poor people and supposedly it would land in

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if she were a stock. And that's driven by the fireplace.

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And one story became popular. A merchant in the town

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had gone bankrupt and the creditors would not only take

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your house and lands, they'd take your children. And this

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father had three beautiful daughters. He knew it would be

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a terrible life if they got taken, so he comes

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up with an idea. He thought, if he could hurry

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up and marry the daughters off, the creditors couldn't take them. Unfortunately,

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he did not have money for a dowry, which was

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needed in that area of the world for a legally

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recognized wedding. Nicholas, here's the problem. Late one night throws

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money in the window, and the oldest daughter has a dower.

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He gets married, and then another night he throws money

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and for the second daughter she gets married, and by

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the time it's the third daughter's turn, the dad's waiting

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up runs outside catches Nicholas. Nicholas makes him promise not

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to tell, and that's the origin of the tradition a

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secret gift giving on the anniversary of Nicholas's death. The

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Greeks have lots of more stories that after he gave

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away his money, Nicholas wanted to join a monastery in Zion.

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The lord tells him not to hide his light under

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Bushel comes back to Myra, a port city in Asia

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Minor right all seven churches mentioned in the book a

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Revelation were an Asia Minor, and unbeknownst to him, the

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bishop had died. The church leaders could not decide who

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the next bishop was going to be, and one of

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them has a dream. The first person the church the

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next day would be named Nicholas, and he was to

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be their bishop. Well, Nicholas's habit was to be the

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first one in church. They tell him the news and

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he's not too thrilled because the Roman An emperor Diocletian

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was arresting bishops and killing them. So it's sort of

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like you be the bishop, No, dont no, you first exactly,

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And he's arrested, put in jail awaiting death. And then

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the emperor of the world resigns. It's Diocletian. He's been

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persecuting Christians for decades and he's the Christians are praying.

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He's struck with an intestinal disease, so painfully abdicates the

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throne May first, three.

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Oh five AD.

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The next emperor, or Galerius, continues persecuting Christians. He's struck

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with an intestinal disease dies. It's a toss up between

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four generals, and it finally comes down to Constantine and

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Maxentius and the Battle of the Milvian Bridge outside of Rome,

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and the day before the battle, Constantine sees the sign

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of Christ in the sky, puts it on all the

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shields and symbols and wins. What's the sign of Christ?

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The first two Greek letters for the name Christ. Hebrew

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it's Messiah, which means the anointed one, and Greek it's

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Chris Christus or Christ in Greek. That makes the sound

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is written as an X. It's called Kai, and the

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letter that makes the erth sound is called row, and

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it's written as a big P. So it's an X

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and a P, the first two Greek letters for.

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The name Christ.

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And that's what you see on Constantine shields and symbols

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in the fourth century. Now, over the years it got

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shortened just to the kai the x, and it was

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called the Christ's cross or Chriss cross. Chris cross means

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Christ's cross, and that's where you get Xmas. Yes, so

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Xmus is not crossing out Christ. It's the Greek letter

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Kai that stood for Christ. And then it became part

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of an oath swear to tell the truth. So well

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you got yeah, I cross my heart the christ cross

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and then sign on a document is where the true

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do you sign it? The christ cross signed it the

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X and then they would kish it to show sincerity,

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and that's the x's and o's in the bottom of

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a Valentine. So so now Constantine legalizes Christianity. Nichols has

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let out of jail, and he preaches against paganism. The

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seven Wonders of the ancient world is the temple to Diana,

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and she had the temple prostitutes, and it's the Las

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Vegas of the Mediterranean possible against diana worship x nineteen.

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Nicholas preaches against diana worship and they tear her temple down.

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And then he preaches against exposure of unwanted infants. That

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was the Roman version of abortion. Preaches against the Olympic

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Games because they ran them unclad, and don't get into

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all that, but the Greeks, you know, all those statues.

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And then there's the Arian heresy, and a guy named

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Arius says Jesus was less than God, a created being,

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and it begins to split the church. And since Constantine

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made Christianity the de fact or religion, it's splitting the

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Roman Empire. Constantine orders all the church leaders to come

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together in one place for the first time ever at Nicea.

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And they write, then, I see and creed the excommunicate areas.

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And this year is the seventeen hundred year anniversary of

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the Consul, and I see A three twenty five eight,

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twenty twenty five eight. And so the Pope and the

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Greek Orthodox patriarch met to just a short time ago

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in Nicea, and they said that nice In creed together.

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But the Greeks have the tradition that Nicholas slapped areas

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at the Consul and I see you for starting the

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Arian heresy. So there's all this ancient artwork of Nicholas

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reach you go over and slapping areas.

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Well, Bill Federer, we got to leave it there.

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And of course you can read all about it, as

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they say, And there really is a Santa Claus, the

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history of Saint Nick and Christmas holiday traditions. Again, Bill,

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you and Susie have just given us such a great gift.

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I mean, it's just awesome.

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It's fun.

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The Dutch add to it that Jesus will return at

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the end of the world of Judge living in the

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dead riding a white horse. Saints will come back with

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him riding a white horses. Saint Nicholas is a saint,

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so he'll be one of those riding white horse. But

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he's so special to the Dutch they have him coming

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back once here for a little mini judgment day and

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he stresses a bishop riding white horse. But over the years,

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the saints come from heaven that turns into the North Pole,

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and the angels turn into elves, and the Lamb's book

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of life turns of the Book of the Naughty and

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the Nice, and the horses turn into reindeer. Anyway, but

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you go back, there's some biblical stories woven in there.

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Well, that's awesome.

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Bill Fetter, the American Minute creator again. Where they can

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history notes there Bill.

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Yeah, it's American Minute dot com.

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Here it is.

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Check it out, Bill Fetter. Merry Christmas, my friend, Thank

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you so much for being Christmas.

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Hey, welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here.

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Hey, guess who we got. We've got doctor George Barnet

537
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in the casa. He is in the house, Merry Christmas

538
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time with all the reindeer and everything like that, checking

539
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.799
the list scene who's been naughty and nice?

540
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.240
But hey, we doing okay, doctor George.

541
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.319
Things are going well. We're moving up to our Christmas

542
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.319
Great celebration. And you know, one of the things that's

543
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.119
coming out of all the research I've been doing is

544
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.559
I would encourage people to just take a deep breath,

545
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.319
stop for a few moments, and think about who is

546
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.599
this guy that we're celebrating, Because when I look at

547
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.359
all the research, what I kind of have the feeling

548
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.160
of is that we get in a routine, We get

549
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.640
in the rout and we stop to think about the fact,

550
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.880
Wait a minute, I'm supposed to have a relationship with

551
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.319
this guy.

552
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.799
Who is he? Why did he come here? What did

553
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:37.240
he do?

554
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.160
What difference does it really make in my life? And

555
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.599
what should I be doing about it? So there's a

556
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.640
great time of year to reassess.

557
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:45.920
And here we are.

558
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.880
I mean, the church gives us, liturgically a reminder. I mean,

559
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.559
first starts with Thanksgiving. Then we get the four weeks

560
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:57.000
of Advent, which is all preparation for you know, the

561
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.000
really the Christmas, the true Christmas scene, and that is

562
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.799
beyond December the twenty fifth. You know, many people take it,

563
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.079
you know, through the New Year, you know, through the

564
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.240
Epiphany January the sixth. And I think that's just a

565
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.519
great reminder for us to hit the reset button and

566
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.240
like you said, take a breath, slow down, because last

567
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.400
time I checked, the things that are not of this

568
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.240
world and the higher callings that we really want, that

569
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.519
our very spirits are crying out for are not at

570
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.960
the shopping mall, and they're not in that parking space

571
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.480
that we're trying to you know, beat out a feller,

572
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.319
a fellow consumer out of right.

573
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.480
Yeah, And you know, I was doing a program the

574
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.559
other day and the host of the show had a

575
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.720
great thing. We were talking about this, and she said, oh, look,

576
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.960
I just checked my watch Jesus is coming back.

577
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So so imagine that.

578
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.759
Huh yeah, yeah, so you know, I mean her point

579
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.200
was you better better think about it, better get ready

580
00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.319
and what better time than this?

581
00:30:59.319 --> 00:30:59.920
This is great.

582
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.079
Well, and when you you know, consider the scriptures in

583
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.720
the Old Testament, you know, the Jews were constantly looking

584
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.720
for the second coming. They had an idea. I mean,

585
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.240
that's what gave them some hope and hanging in there.

586
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.440
I mean you imagine, you know, for a couple of

587
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:19.400
thousand years plus, you know, this anticipation that God was coming,

588
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.599
and then I kind of find us in a way,

589
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.799
you know, because the cycle of life, it's pretty much

590
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.440
the same in the modern era. Here we are with

591
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.680
expectation that you know, Jesus said he was going to

592
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.359
come the first time, what are the chances are that

593
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.240
He's going to be coming here the second time?

594
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:36.359
Yeah.

595
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.759
And one of the things that I think about too

596
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.880
with regard to America, because I just go back from Israel,

597
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.279
and so there's a big contrast between the two countries

598
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.000
in terms of how they see things, how they deal

599
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.400
with things. And one of the things about Americans is

600
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:52.799
we always want to be happy.

601
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.039
We think that we're.

602
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.640
Owed happiness, and when we come to the Christmas season,

603
00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:59.759
it's a happy season.

604
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:00.519
You know.

605
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.359
We think back to what it was like when we

606
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.799
were a child and we were waiting for Santa or

607
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:06.359
whatever and.

608
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.119
All the presents.

609
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.000
And I guess I'd encourage adults to not so much

610
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.680
be looking for happiness as to be looking for truth,

611
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.839
to be looking for reality, and to transition this season

612
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.680
just like we had to transition Christmas from child to adult.

613
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.759
Thinking of it as no longer a time of getting

614
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.279
presents to giving presents, Well, maybe it shouldn't so much

615
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.680
be a time of Yeah, I want people to make

616
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.640
me happy by what they give me, as I want

617
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.200
to be truthful. I want to be honest. I want

618
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.680
to be real about who I am, about who Christ

619
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.279
really is. It's not about the gifts and the tree

620
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.240
and all that, but it's really about my eternal standing

621
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.119
in his eyes based on my relationship with him. And

622
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.359
this is a good season for me to recalibrate or

623
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.359
as you said, reset everything. And man, we need to

624
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.160
do that all the time because we live in a

625
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.240
culture that wants to throw us off the right track,

626
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.240
and so this is a good time to get back

627
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:12.359
on the right track well.

628
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:13.880
And you know about you and I have had this

629
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.160
conversation since day one, George, when we first met. First

630
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.000
starts out with the truth, right, and but look at

631
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.799
the words that are out there. You know we used

632
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.599
to know about joy. Joy is is really connected to truth,

633
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.400
not happiness, right, right?

634
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:30.119
Yeah?

635
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.000
Because joy is everlasting, yes.

636
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.319
Yeah, right, And happiness fits our culture so well because

637
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.440
the culture is always in a state of flux and

638
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:44.240
turbulence and chaos. And so it's happiness because it's so situational,

639
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.880
and so it can change in the blink of an eye.

640
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.920
I can go from being happy to sad, to depressed

641
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.480
to happy but joyful.

642
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.920
It's like, yeah, well wait a minute.

643
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.279
Once you've really got that connection with the creator of

644
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.920
the universe, and you know why you have that connection,

645
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.599
and you know, I mean no capital letters him, right,

646
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:11.239
that changes you from from can change you from seeking

647
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.800
happiness to experiencing joy. And once you get that joy,

648
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.119
until you destroy your relationship with him, you're going to

649
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.559
maintain that joy and that should change everything.

650
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.920
Yeah, it's everlasting and I mean think about it happening.

651
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:27.199
I love it.

652
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.320
A friend of mine used to always say, happiness is

653
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.840
based on a happening, right, So surf stop.

654
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:34.000
We're happy.

655
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.039
You know, it's okay, that's what's happening, whatever it is.

656
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.000
You know, you go to a concert, that's happening. Okay,

657
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.239
so you're happy. But what about those moments, you know,

658
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.760
like right now the season of joy, and when you

659
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.079
you really anchor in like you say, you anchor into

660
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:57.639
the truth of the season. Man, you you can go

661
00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:59.760
through cement walls and you can handle anything.

662
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:01.880
It's true, you know.

663
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:04.599
And one of the things that I've been thinking about

664
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.039
lately is worship songs.

665
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:10.800
Not that I can sing, and I can't sing. I

666
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:11.719
can barely talk.

667
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.320
But you know, you got guitars back there, you can

668
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:14.840
play them.

669
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.800
Well that's why I play. I can't sing.

670
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.960
Yeah, But you know, you think about some of the

671
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.880
best Christmas songs.

672
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.840
One of them is Joy to the World.

673
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.559
It's not Happiness to the World because you might have

674
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:29.400
to stop singing the song in the middle because you

675
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.519
no longer feel happy. You know, that's just changed, you know,

676
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.400
Joy to the World very different. I was thinking about

677
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.599
a song boy years ago. I was visiting a church

678
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.880
and they had a guest singer, and I don't know what.

679
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.599
The song was.

680
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.159
And I wasn't really paying attention that closely to what

681
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.239
he was singing until he got to the chorus, and

682
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.920
the chorus was three simple words, and he was very

683
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.159
dramatic about it, rightfully, So I killed him.

684
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.400
I never thought about that fact.

685
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.480
You know, I was sitting in that church, and you know,

686
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.239
if you had asked me, how did Jesus die, you know,

687
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.320
I point to the people around me and say, these

688
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.239
people are a bunch of sinners, you know. But then

689
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.760
when he said that I killed him for some reason,

690
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.360
that just really struck home with me. And so that

691
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.199
kind of changed the game for me in a significant way.

692
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.320
And I think about worship songs and this joy to

693
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:30.360
the world, what a great Conceptlis's focus on that fact

694
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.840
that what we're supposed to be experiencing in celebrating this

695
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:37.840
Christmas season is the fact that God loved me so

696
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.760
much in spite of the fact that I'm a sinner,

697
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.679
that he sent this child to go through all the

698
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.760
crap that I go through day after day exactly. You know,

699
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.559
I was thinking about Jesus didn't have to come down

700
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.559
as a baby and grow up. I mean, he could

701
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.719
have come down as an adult, done his deal and

702
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.679
left again back to the comfort of heaven for him.

703
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.760
But in God's own wisdom, he put him through the

704
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.480
paces that we go through so that he could understand

705
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.960
and we could relate to him better. I mean, what

706
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:14.280
an incredible thing. And so it makes this not just

707
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.239
another holiday, not just another birth you know, where there's

708
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.079
a birthday, but something that's really a joy filled experience

709
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:26.000
for us to celebrate and to really ponder. I think

710
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.400
sometimes we're so busy buying gifts and sending cards and

711
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.360
returning emails to people we haven't heard from in a

712
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.639
year that we lose sight of the fact that wait

713
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.960
a minute, who is this person that we're celebrating.

714
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.599
Why did he have to come? I killed him?

715
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.719
You know, you know, I mean all of these kinds

716
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.599
of things that we have to put together, and it

717
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.719
it I think if you do that right, it puts

718
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.639
you in a completely different frame of mind, and one

719
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.039
that's Germaine to this season.

720
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.039
Yeah, you know, speaking of music, when you were saying that,

721
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.039
it reminded me of Saint Augustine's statement about singing. He says,

722
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that's like praying twice.

723
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I haven't heard that.

724
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I love that, you know, And even though you may think, hey,

725
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I you know, maybe I can't sing, although you have

726
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kind of a Rod Stewart kind of you know, kind

727
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of pitch here, but which could be interesting, you know, but.

728
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You know, I can just only imagine.

729
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But even still in our own in our own closets,

730
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in our own you know, private rooms of singing and

731
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that sort of thing, there's just something about how that

732
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engages us and.

733
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Touches the heart.

734
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Just like you said, even when you're listening to somebody

735
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else and and there's a lyric you know, that comes

736
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across that just you know, it just connects with your spirit, right.

737
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Yeah.

738
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And and for me, I'm not real good at this yet.

739
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I'm working on it, but trying to get to the

740
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place where I'm not letting Christmas music become background noise.

741
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Yeah exactly, because again, we get so used to it

742
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and it's like, Okay, it's the season, I got to

743
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put it on it. Yeah, it's back there, it's playing

744
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check it off the box. As opposed to realizing there

745
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are a lot of worshipers who wrote these songs as

746
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their greatest active service, using their gift to conser God,

747
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to respect God, to focus us on Jesus during this season,

748
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and man, what a great thing it is sometimes just

749
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to take, even if I can only squirrel away fifteen

750
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.039
minutes during the course of a business day, to go

751
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down and put the stereo on, close the door behind

752
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me so nobody bothers me, and to have that opportunity

753
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just to listen to the words. You know, the tune's nice,

754
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and I'm usually a tune guy. I don't listen to

755
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words that much. Christmas is a very different kind of

756
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757
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and maybe Easter time where I know the words matter,

758
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and so to really ponder the and think about those.

759
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And there are some brilliant creative songs.

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All yeah, yeah, and the exactmes've.

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763
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Hey, we're back with I, Bill Martina said with doctor

843
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George Barnet.

844
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He's the director of Research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

845
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Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions. You know, you

846
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talk about you know, stepping away and and focusing fifteen

847
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you know, setting across you know, uh, setting aside fifteen

848
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minutes of time.

849
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You know.

850
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I've been doing the Hollow app and one of the

851
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things that comes up recurrently is.

852
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That, you know, just really focus on God.

853
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.039
I want you to be intentional and imagine you're in

854
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.599
the presence of the Father's Son and Holy Spirit.

855
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.760
And I got to tell you, George, I.

856
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.119
Didn't pay much attention to this four, but It's amazing

857
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.719
when you get intentionally start to do that, how many

858
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distractions come in.

859
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.599
It drives me nuts. I mean, I'm sitting here going,

860
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you know, God forgive me.

861
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:12.480
You know.

862
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.880
It's like, I'm okay, I'm intentional. I'm hanging in there,

863
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.239
and you talk fifteen minutes. I'm lucky to hold on

864
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:20.679
to fifteen seconds.

865
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.119
Yeah. I tend to be a song guy.

866
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.840
So I'm thinking, like, Okay, if i can get five songs,

867
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.480
then I've kind of reset myself, you know, about three minutes.

868
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.960
So each Okay, that's my fifteen minutes. So yeah, that's

869
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.480
what I'm trying to do. I'm not going for the

870
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.440
fifteen minutes of fame. I'm going for the fifteen minutes

871
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.360
of focus. Right, I can really concentrate on a concept.

872
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.800
And the concept here for me is that Jesus came

873
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:47.280
for me.

874
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:47.599
Yeah.

875
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.400
I know, he came for you, he came for my kids,

876
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:53.000
he came for my grandkids. But I need to wrap

877
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.239
my arms around the fact that, you know, I'm a sinner.

878
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.280
I'm not very impressed with myself. Frankly, I don't know

879
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:03.079
how he could. But for some reason, he created me,

880
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.920
He gifted me. He called me, he loves me, and

881
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.400
so he sent Jesus for me. And if I can

882
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.480
start getting into that frame of mind again, I.

883
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.199
Mean, it really does change the rest of my life.

884
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.199
It's transformational, there's no doubt about it. How do you

885
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:19.280
not be transformed?

886
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.599
Yeah, And so you know, then I come back up

887
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and I look at all this research that I've been doing.

888
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.280
It's like, oh, no, you know, but but.

889
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.400
You know, and even the research I've been doing lately,

890
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.199
you know, the latest stuff has been on sin and salvation,

891
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.599
which is you know, intentional timing. At the end of

892
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the year, I want people to be rethinking this whole

893
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:45.519
idea of yes, he came, he suffered for you, and

894
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.159
he did it with a purpose, and that's that he

895
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:52.000
could live with you forever. Because this latest research we're

896
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.440
doing based on salvation and sin is shown that Christians

897
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.639
in America are just so confused about all of this.

898
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.519
We're not really buying the biblical narrative about the fact

899
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:09.880
that the only pathway to eternity, where you're going to

900
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.119
be in God's presence is through Christ.

901
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.440
Amen. That's it.

902
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:18.159
But you see, the thing is is that we're dealing

903
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.800
with the human condition. You know, you have a choice,

904
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.400
you know, you do the things of this world, you

905
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.760
have your own idea, right and ever since the fall,

906
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.920
you know, it really puts space between us and God.

907
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.840
And Jesus came so that we could have that communion

908
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.239
with him. So when we have that communion with him,

909
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.960
all of a sudden, you know, we're a little bit smarter, George,

910
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.480
you know, and I'm not saying in that in a

911
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.599
worldly sort of way. It's just we are. We have

912
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.400
a better knowing as a result, not that it's perfect,

913
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.280
but you can start to see the difference.

914
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.480
Right, Yeah. Absolutely.

915
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.159
I'll tell you though, Bill, one of the things that

916
00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:01.400
troubles me is the confusion that's in the minds and

917
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:06.119
hearts of so many millions of Christians about repentance. Because

918
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.960
as we did this research, one of the things we

919
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.840
learned is that most Christians quote unquote in America now

920
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.719
think of repentance as a feeling, just like we've converted

921
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.519
truth to a feeling, as opposed to a reality, as

922
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.760
opposed to a reflection of God, who he is, what

923
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.679
he knows, what he wants us to know, and believe,

924
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.559
what we've done is we've made repentance into a feeling

925
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.199
of oh Gosh, I made a mistake. That's too bad,

926
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.719
as opposed to really being heartbroken over sin, knowing that

927
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.760
it breaks God's heart, it shatters our relationship with him,

928
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.239
and that's the very reason why Jesus, whose birth were

929
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.920
now celebrating, had to come back to earth and suffer

930
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.719
because of our sins, because of my sin. And so repentance,

931
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.440
when you study the word, it literally means to turn

932
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.519
around and go in a different direction. And so repentance

933
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.599
isn't merely saying, ay, I'm made a mistake. It's saying, oh, Gosh,

934
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:14.719
I did something that offends God, that hurts God, that

935
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.920
breaks his heart. And the only ways that I can

936
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.159
deal with that are number one, ask God to forgive

937
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.559
me through Christ, and secondly, to show that I'm so

938
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.159
sincere about not wanting to break his heart that I'm

939
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.119
going to turn around and go in a different direction.

940
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.360
I'm going to change my behavior. I'm going to change

941
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.360
my thinking, I'm going to change my language, whatever it is,

942
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.599
so that I am doing the best that I can,

943
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.400
inviting the Holy Spirit to take over the steering wheel

944
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:48.440
on this journey where I'm trying to turn around and

945
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.199
go in a different direction. I want the Holy Spirit

946
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.679
to empower me now to speak, to live, to act differently,

947
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.920
so that I can really please, honor and respect this

948
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.639
God who's so awesome, so loving, so compassionate, so merciful

949
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:09.280
that he sent himself really to come back to earth

950
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.760
and to go through this whole developmental phase from infant

951
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.480
to child to teenage or to young adult to middle

952
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.280
aged adult, and to suffer along the way because of me,

953
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.039
I mean, to go through that whole process. Repentance is

954
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.840
something much more than we've made it to be for us.

955
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.320
It's like it afterthought, Oh yeah, gee, too bad, I

956
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:31.159
shouldn't have done that.

957
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:31.840
What's next?

958
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Yeah?

959
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.679
But what brings you to repentance? It's kind of like

960
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:41.639
what brought Nineveh to repentance. Is they they caught it,

961
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:47.320
they understood, they saw their wickedness, and and they're getting

962
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.880
a word from, you know, from the prophet, the reluctant prophet,

963
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.880
and he comes and says, hey, you guys are in

964
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.920
trouble here, and the Holy God is, who is just

965
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.119
and righteous, is going to you know, render judgment on you.

966
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:04.960
Are you ready for that? Well?

967
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.480
They hurt that, you see, but you say, in our

968
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.920
in our culture because we're moving, you know, with our

969
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.519
hair on fire, running around, especially in this holiday season

970
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:13.880
and everything.

971
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.159
Like you said, uh, we don't hit the pause button, but.

972
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.599
But really we're encouraging everybody, including ourselves, to slow down,

973
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.320
hit that pause button and say, hey, how are you

974
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:25.039
doing with God?

975
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:26.079
Okay?

976
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:26.320
What?

977
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:26.880
What?

978
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.920
How is your relationship here? What are we doing? You know,

979
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.719
let's you know, like tuning up the guitar. You got

980
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.440
to tune up the guitar to the right notes, right,

981
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.679
so we got to tune up to God. And as

982
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.079
we tune up to God and realize, hey, we're we're

983
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.400
we're out of sync with God. We're out of tune

984
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.800
with God in these specific areas of our lives. And

985
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.000
then when you really press in and understand how bad

986
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.360
it is and how you know, how awful sounding your

987
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.239
instrument is compared to God's instrument, then you go, whoa,

988
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:54.679
you know, hey, I got to get I got to

989
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.559
get this thing tuned up here and uh. And as

990
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.840
you do, and you and you consider the whole of God,

991
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.599
then it really causes you to want to repent in

992
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.559
such a way that hey, man, you're looking at the animals,

993
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.239
you're putting sackcloth on the animals and everybody right, including

994
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.559
yourself of course for sure.

995
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.920
And one of the things that I've observed that I

996
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.199
have date on this, but just looking at my circles

997
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.920
of friends, we invest a lot of time during the

998
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.760
season in relationships with each other and say, oh, it's

999
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.559
a great time for us to take some time together.

1000
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.320
Come over, you know, we'll do whatever together for a

1001
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.400
little while. And it's a big deal. But the nature

1002
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.679
of our relationship with God needs to be central. You know,

1003
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.239
what we're doing with Christ during this period of time

1004
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.119
instead of just saying, Okay, you know, I'm going to

1005
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.920
church on Christmas Eve, you know, check it off.

1006
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.360
Did the relationship thing with Jesus. That's not good enough.

1007
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.239
That's not all he wants, that's not all he deserves,

1008
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.800
that's not all we deserve. We have better than that

1009
00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:59.880
he wants us to have, better than.

1010
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:01.679
That he wants us to have him.

1011
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.119
And so you know, making that time investing, investing in

1012
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.840
this season. Don't invest in Mattel and has Bro, invest

1013
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:10.480
in Jesus.

1014
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.400
Yeah, amen, and understand that. You know, it's one devotional

1015
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.800
ized reading this past week. It says, uh, you know,

1016
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.119
approach God like beggars. And I thought it was interesting.

1017
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.320
It really caught me. I go, oh, like a beggar. Yeah,

1018
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.280
but understand this, keep begging said, you know, don't you

1019
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.199
know you don't have to just say okay, well you

1020
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.519
know I got this from the banquet table. That's enough,

1021
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.119
Jesus saying no, no, keep going, keep going. There's plenty.

1022
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.920
And and you know, to your point here is we

1023
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.599
sell ourselves short because we're we're quick to want to

1024
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:39.960
check a.

1025
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:41.480
Box and say, well, been there, done that.

1026
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:46.440
And you know, the relationship with God is intended to

1027
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.920
be ongoing, and he longs for this communion. I mean this,

1028
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.079
this is really what breaks the Father's heart more than

1029
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:57.000
anything else, is that communion with him with his creation.

1030
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.679
The creation that he said, wow, this is really good.

1031
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:01.239
Right Yeah.

1032
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.800
And toward that end, I know we're probably running out

1033
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.679
of time here, but I do want to get in

1034
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.320
here that the research is also showing us that when

1035
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:14.760
we think about our relationship with Christ, almost half of

1036
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.639
the Christians in this country think it's Jesus. Plus that

1037
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.880
Jesus on the cross wasn't enough, that there are other

1038
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.960
ways to salvation. It might be our works. It might

1039
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:32.440
be some other God, it might be some other theological construct,

1040
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.760
it might be a relationship quote unquote with the universe,

1041
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.119
whatever it is. And I want to encourage anybody who's listening,

1042
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.400
just take a few moments this Christmas season to really

1043
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.239
dig deep and examine what are you basing your thoughts

1044
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.960
about your eternity on. Is it Jesus plus or is

1045
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.159
it Jesus alone. If it's Jesus alone, great, Just then

1046
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.119
spend the rest of your time celebrating Him this Christmas se.

1047
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.360
And the works will take care of themselves, James says, right,

1048
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:08.400
they will follow naturally because you're a transformed agent. You

1049
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:12.320
think different, you do different, You are different, You do

1050
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:13.039
what you believe.

1051
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.159
So if you start believing right, and part of your

1052
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.079
belief system is it's only Christ, there's nothing besides Him

1053
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.599
that's going to save me, then that's going to start

1054
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.960
to change your behavior right there. And that gets momentum going,

1055
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.960
and before you know it, you're actually a follower of Christ.

1056
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:33.079
Yeah, and you're actually enjoying the peace of Christ.

1057
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:34.599
Yeah yeah, right.

1058
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:36.280
The piece that's.

1059
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:40.920
Immeasurable that we can't even imagine with our human peni thinking,

1060
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.519
you know, and like we said, the banquet table that

1061
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:49.199
God has set out for us is immeasurable, it's unending,

1062
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.519
and we want everybody to partake, especially in this Christmas season,

1063
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:54.800
Right George, I'm.

1064
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.559
Gonna let you wrap it up.

1065
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:55.880
Go ahead.

1066
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.800
Yeah, Hey, you know what a great time of year.

1067
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.480
We're still in a free country. Thank God for that.

1068
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.239
And we have the opportunity to devote as much time,

1069
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.000
energy and resources as we want to honoring God, thanking

1070
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.840
Him for christ coming down. Experience joy this season. Me

1071
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.599
really work at that, and it's a life changer, it's

1072
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:20.800
game changer. Go for it, Enjoy it.

1073
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:21.880
Amen.

1074
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.840
He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

1075
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.599
Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions.

1076
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.400
Doctor George Barnham, Merry Christmas, my friend.

1077
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:31.199
Same to you, buddy.

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Live, hey good, Morning, Welcome good to have you with.

1099
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Us Bill martinez here six minutes after the top of the,

1100
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.480
hour And i'm excited to talk with our next.

1101
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.440
Guest what an incredible story that has.

1102
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.760
Been documented in their brand new, Book I've been To,

1103
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.000
Heaven the true story of a husband supernatural near death

1104
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.800
experience of the, afterlife his wife's prayer that brought him,

1105
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.800
back And god's message of hope for the. World steve

1106
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:09.800
And Kathy, boyles welcome to.

1107
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:10.719
Show good to have you with.

1108
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.400
Us thank you so much for inviting.

1109
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.280
Us, well great to have Your. KATHY i want to

1110
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.440
make sure everybod understand she's a. Doctor she's AN, md

1111
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.199
a real, doctor, right not one that plays a doctor

1112
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:22.679
in any kind of television.

1113
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:23.679
Series she's actually a.

1114
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:30.119
Doctor And, steve you're accomplished, yourself right is go ahead

1115
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.519
and tell ME i had it down here a.

1116
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.159
Lot i'm about a software. Engineer i've been writing software

1117
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:35.079
for about thirty five.

1118
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.760
Years, yeah that explains why we had problems, connecting, right.

1119
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:40.559
Wasn't my?

1120
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:47.000
Fault inside, joke ladies and, gentlemen we're having a little

1121
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.559
bit of an opportunity here trying to get all connected

1122
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.320
and to hear one, another and so it only makes

1123
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.599
sense That steve would be a software engineer and so but,

1124
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:59.440
anyway eventually we figured it. Out it's LIKE i used

1125
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.960
to say WHEN i was broadcasting in, School, steve whenever

1126
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:05.000
there was a troubleshooting, situation we always said that the

1127
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:11.320
bailout answer was there's ant in the. Court so it

1128
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.079
seemed to work in the, classroom but it's not gonna

1129
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:13.559
work anywhere.

1130
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.119
Else but, well for, software we always blamed the.

1131
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.639
Hardware, well of, course, yeah you've got to have an, antagonist,

1132
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.760
Right that's. Right it's what makes the, world it's what

1133
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.880
makes a real go. Around, well look AT i am

1134
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.800
so honored to have you both here to tell your. Story,

1135
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.079
steve why don't you started out and tell us you

1136
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:35.199
know what, happened how it all.

1137
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:39.800
Began, well it all kind of started off kind of

1138
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.440
not a, hope you, know not a big. Deal it

1139
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.480
was towards the end Of november of twenty twenty. ONE

1140
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:50.480
i wasn't feeling well and it just kind of kept

1141
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.840
getting worse and. Worse it turned out that my, wife,

1142
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.360
daughter and myself all ended up GETTING. Covid we all

1143
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.280
have in different. WAYS i had a really hard i'm,

1144
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.320
breathing And kathy had a really bad, headache throbbing, headache

1145
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.199
and she had a hard time taking care of. Me

1146
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.719
so kind of decided what might be a good idea

1147
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:10.880
to just take me to the emergency. Room see IF

1148
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.480
i could get some seapap mask in an oxygen for

1149
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.280
a couple of days And i'd probably be all. Right

1150
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.840
well that started out, okay and THEN i got into

1151
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.760
the emergency. Room they wouldn't Let kathy come in for

1152
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.880
twenty days to even get near, me and after being

1153
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.840
there for about four or five, days they basically ALL

1154
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.920
i got to drink for food was Little, insures which

1155
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.239
aren't really very. Good sorry for Any insure, stockholders but

1156
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.760
it's not a good, problem and you. Know and then

1157
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.119
then they DECIDED i needed to be put on a.

1158
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.039
Ventilator AND i was gett kind of desperate to go,

1159
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.960
home to be honest with, you BECAUSE i kept, Thinking

1160
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:49.960
i'm starting to feel. Better why CAN'T i just go?

1161
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.800
Home and they, decided, way you could go home after

1162
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.360
we put you on a ventilator for you, know seven

1163
01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.239
to eight, days and then you'll be real good and

1164
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.480
you can go. Home SO i took the bay and, said,

1165
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.400
Okay i'll do.

1166
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.519
That Was kathy involved in this conversation and in this, decision.

1167
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.800
No because she wasn't allowed to be, there and ALL

1168
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.679
i could do was try to text, her AND i

1169
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.159
just kind of felt at the time THAT i was.

1170
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:18.119
Okay BUT i know she would have probably said, no, no,

1171
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:22.400
no no, no BUT i didn't have. THAT i didn't

1172
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.719
have her with me to really emphasize how no that was.

1173
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:29.960
Right so, ANYWAY i, said, okay they put me on

1174
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.480
the on the, ventilator AND i was in a medically

1175
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:37.000
induced coma for about three, weeks a little over three,

1176
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.559
weeks three and a half, weeks something like.

1177
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:40.920
That oh my, god that's that's a Great.

1178
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.000
Kathy you, know we talked about it in the show

1179
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.559
early on DURING covid as it was coming, out and

1180
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.719
it was just heartbreaking to think of the families that

1181
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:50.880
could not see their loved ones as they were going through.

1182
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.920
THIS i, mean this is just absolutely horrific and NOTHING

1183
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.199
i DON'T i don't know we ever experienced anything like

1184
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:59.199
this in the history Of america that you, know this

1185
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:03.280
kind of quarantine and this kind of reaction and all

1186
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.519
that was going. On what was going through your mind

1187
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.719
is this was happening to your husband is going? On

1188
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.400
you're just praying and you, know trying to make sense

1189
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.519
of something that doesn't make.

1190
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.760
Sense, well you know.

1191
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.719
That a twenty day rule was really an arbitrary decision

1192
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.519
that a committee in the hospital made that would not

1193
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.400
allow me to go and see my husband for that

1194
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.719
period of. Time even though as a PHYSICIAN i could

1195
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.239
go and see any PATIENT i wanted, TO i could

1196
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.559
not go into the ice you and see my. Husband

1197
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.000
and so we did go through a lot of almost

1198
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:39.159
ridiculous things like. That BUT i knew THAT i did

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need to abide by their roles so that there would

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be no bad consequences to my, husband son or your.

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01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:48.360
License you.

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01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.960
Know as a, POSITION i obeyed all their.

1203
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.840
Rules my, recourse of, course was to go To, god

1204
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.920
and that was SOMETHING i knew how to.

1205
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:00.599
Do Thank god.

1206
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.639
Is the power of The word Of, god and so

1207
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.800
that's WHERE i went to get my.

1208
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.599
Help, well it's kind of amazing because.

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01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.079
The, instance in the POSITION i was, IN i was

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01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.480
doing doing a deep dive ON covid and trying to figure,

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01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:17.119
out you, know what was going, on particularly with the

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01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.159
ventilator When i'd heard that you were on a, ventilator And,

1213
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.960
kathy you might verify this as the doctors have told

1214
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.679
me that only a third of the people who go

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.800
on a ventilator actually come off, it and so here

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01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.880
you are odds against, you you, know to survive being,

1217
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:38.760
ventilated especially DURING, covid with, everything because it seemed like

1218
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:41.559
we were we were incentivizing all the wrong.

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Things IF i can say.

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01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:47.920
That that's, correct it's really DURING, covid less than a

1221
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.360
third that survived being on a. Ventilator most of them

1222
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:58.760
died Most it was just an awful. Time and so you,

1223
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:03.159
know from my perspective of my profession failed. Me AND

1224
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:07.679
i really knew THAT i could go To god and

1225
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:10.159
he would be the one that would help me in this.

1226
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:11.280
Situation and he.

1227
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Did let me ask you, THIS i mean POST covid

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01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:18.199
here now as a, doctor you say your profession failed

1229
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:22.679
you did we learn from? It is the profession reconciled

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01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:25.280
to where they will not fail you?

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01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:31.079
AGAIN i don't think, so not.

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Yet, YES i hope for the, future BUT i think

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we have a lot to learn. Still, Yes and you,

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know doctors are Not, god and doctors.

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Are not to be just.

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Obeyed as though you would just, obey you, know commanding

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officer if you were in the.

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Military you, know.

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We have to take everything and critically think about, it

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every piece of advice as well as pray about. It and,

1241
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.320
hey is this the right thing to? Do it is an,

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Opinion so we all have. Opinions doctors have an opinion

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based on information they've, learned but they don't always know everything, obviously.

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So you have to especially especially WITH, covid because so

1245
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so much was kept from.

1246
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Them, kathy, right, right, right, Right.

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And then you, know a lot of the physicians were

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just in fear of losing jobs or licenses and things

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of that, nature because many of them did who kind

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of stood up and had a different. Message and so

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when you have a family to support and you have

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a lot of things going on in your, life you

1253
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really don't want to make waves because it could go

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really poorly for.

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You.

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01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.440
Yeah, So, steve you're in this induced coma for three,

1257
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.800
weeks and so something supernatural happens to.

1258
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:07.000
You, yeah WELL i was on THE i was in

1259
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:08.920
the coma for three, weeks BUT i was on the

1260
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.519
ventilator for forty five. DAYS i just get that out.

1261
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:15.039
There oh, Wow, Okay so, anyway So i'm in this

1262
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.920
coma and, uh you know your spirit man never. Sleeps

1263
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:21.880
your body can go to, sleep your mind can take a,

1264
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.880
rest but you know your spirit man never never. Sleeps

1265
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.920
it's away twenty four to. Seven So i'm in this

1266
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.599
coma and this angel appears to me AND i received

1267
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.840
with my spirit, man and you'll tell.

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01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:35.960
You i'll tell you what we gotta go to quick,

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01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.119
Break let's pick it, up or leave everybody as a.

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01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.719
Cliffhanger as they, Say we're gonna let him hang on

1271
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.440
the cliff here for a second as we take a quick,

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break and we'll be right back With steve And Kathy.

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Top Dr Bill martinez here with Doctor Kathy boyles And Steve.

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Boyles kathy is a physician And steve is AN it.

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Professional and as he was saying right before the break

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is the spirit man is always, awake and you have

1373
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:09.680
an encounter with an.

1374
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:11.439
ANGEL i have.

1375
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:13.640
An angel that comes to me and he's The, Hello,

1376
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.920
steve my name Is. Marzuka you spelled THAT M. A.

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01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:20.359
R Z, uka AND i take you to heaven for

1378
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:22.079
a little while while your body.

1379
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:23.880
Heals he even spelled his name out for.

1380
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.039
You he even spilled his name out for.

1381
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:28.199
ME i love THESE i love these angels and no.

1382
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:28.960
Spelling that's.

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01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.079
Great, yeah give you Give you said a, comfort doesn't, It?

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01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:34.560
Kathy, well you KNOW i.

1385
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:36.920
Knew when he first told. ME i, thought, well that's really.

1386
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.520
Weird and THEN i, realized, well you know, What steve

1387
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.159
is not really good at, spelling and so this has

1388
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.359
to be real because he wouldn't have spells of the

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01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:44.760
out like.

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01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:45.840
That, yeah.

1391
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.680
Exactly so did you ever find out What marzuka, meant

1392
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.279
by the, way just?

1393
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:53.319
Sidebar, well ACTUALLY i. Did, yes means it means the

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01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.239
blessed By god or one Who god provides.

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01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.840
For, okay very. Good, Okay so he, says come with.

1396
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:02.159
Me he, said come with. Me i'm taking you to

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01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:04.359
heaven for a little while while your body. Heels SO

1398
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:07.800
i FIGURE i have nothing else to, do so, sure

1399
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:11.960
let's go to. Heaven so pretty much within you, know

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01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.520
pretty quick we were in. HEAVEN i saw a lot of.

1401
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.520
Stuff you, know your spiritualized have a much broader view

1402
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:20.760
a spectrum of light that they can see than your natural.

1403
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:23.319
Lives and SO i saw some amazing sights going through

1404
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.279
the atmosphere up to.

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01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.840
Heaven did you travel first? Class did the angel at

1406
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.720
least take your first? Class he was right next to,

1407
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.279
me so, yeah probably, yeah.

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01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:37.680
Right so, ANYWAY i get To heaven really, quick and

1409
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:43.199
it's an amazing. PLACE i was just absorbing everything THAT i.

1410
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.199
Encountered and so you, know the. Grass we landed on

1411
01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:50.960
this grass which was like amazingly fluffy and, soft and

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01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.079
you would step on it in the spring right back.

1413
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:54.399
Up you weren't going to be able.

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01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:54.640
To stomp it.

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01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:58.039
Down why you, would but it was very. Soft and

1416
01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:01.279
if you ever slept in, heaven there's sleeping, really but

1417
01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:03.119
if you did, sleep you could sleep on the grass

1418
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.479
and it would be better than probably your softest mattress

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01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.439
here on. Earth but it was just an amazing. Sight

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01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.560
there was so many different, colors and the atmosphere was

1421
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.079
just so Much there was so much, peace there was,

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01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.279
Security there was just. LOVE i, mean you could just

1423
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:23.800
since you were loved just standing, there you. Know so

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01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.119
we went in AND i had to put things in

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01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:29.199
human terms so people can kind of understand What i'm,

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01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.600
saying is a little to a place that all described

1427
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.199
as a welcome, center and the guy behind this really

1428
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:41.079
ornate wooden type desk very nicely, carved, said, Hello, Steve

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01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:44.039
welcome To. Heaven marzuka is going to be your guide

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01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.119
while you're, here and he's going to show you the

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01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:47.039
things that you need to.

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01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:48.479
See and.

1433
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So on the wall of this building were scenes THAT

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i eventually ended up going, to kind of like you

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go to a travel center and you would see the

1436
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:01.199
coliseum or The Eiffel. Tower sometimes these were scenes In

1437
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:04.279
heaven THAT i would eventually. VISIT i didn't realize that

1438
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:06.960
at the time WHEN i saw, them BUT i started

1439
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.560
going to these, SITES i, realized, oh that was on the.

1440
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.239
Wall that was one of those scenes on the wall.

1441
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:14.720
Exactly so one of the first places we went to

1442
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.399
was a big meadow that had a beautiful meadow with

1443
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.600
the same type of, grass had huge patches of these multicolored.

1444
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.479
Flowers and WHEN i say, MULTICOLORED i mean the leaves

1445
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:31.640
themselves were multi. Colored they had like, woven swirling colors

1446
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:32.520
mixed in with each.

1447
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.760
Other AND i gotta imagine very, dynamic, Right, oh the

1448
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:37.960
colors like you've never seen.

1449
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.279
Before oh, yeah because you see. It you're seeing a

1450
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:45.359
broader spectrum of colors there in heaven with your spiritual.

1451
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.039
Eye and then the aroma from the fragrance from the

1452
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:55.000
flowers was amazing, again that same, fluffy beautiful, grass huge

1453
01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:59.239
trees that WERE i later found out were like mustard.

1454
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.039
Trees you know your faith grows from a seed of

1455
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.119
the size of the brain of. Mustard, well those trees

1456
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.760
there's seeds grow into huge, trees and there was birds

1457
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.760
flying in and out of the. Trees one of the

1458
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.920
first THINGS i saw was all the dogs that we

1459
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.239
had had had had died when they were. Old we

1460
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.079
took good care of, it but they just get, old you.

1461
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.159
Know and SO i saw they were in a. Group

1462
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:24.640
there were like eight of, them and they were all

1463
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:25.439
running towards.

1464
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:29.000
Me they like all your all your, dogs all the,

1465
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.520
dogs all the wow never had when we were, married

1466
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.000
and even one of my dogs that we THAT i had.

1467
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:39.760
Previously but they were all in amazing. Shape they all looked,

1468
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.640
fluffy pretty, Hair they were all. Friendly one of the

1469
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.359
dogs we had, had one, eye had walked with a.

1470
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:50.720
Lamp he kind of wandered into our. Garage one really

1471
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:52.680
hot summer day and just kind of plopped down in

1472
01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.640
our garage and stayed. There, yeah we just kind of kept.

1473
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.640
Him he didn't have a chip or a tag or

1474
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.279
anything like, that so he looked. Beautifully he had two,

1475
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:06.159
eyes a beautiful, coat didn't have any scars or, limps

1476
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.319
ran red and the other. Dogs everybody was in perfect.

1477
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:14.359
SHAPE i saw. RELATIVES i saw my niece who looked,

1478
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:19.039
beautiful my brother WHO i hadn't seen in thirty. Years

1479
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:21.640
everybody looked like they were in like their mid, twenties

1480
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:25.399
maybe thirty at the max. Age everybody that was. Healthy

1481
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.119
everybody looked. Wonderful everyone just. Was it was great to see.

1482
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.239
EVERYBODY i mean WHEN i hugged, them it was a solid.

1483
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.439
Hug it wasn't no whispy. Thing it was, like you,

1484
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:40.199
know hugging your wife or hugging you're you, know a good, friend.

1485
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.520
As if you were still in this earthly, dimension right.

1486
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:46.079
Exactly, yeah except it was more real than. EARTH i

1487
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.520
know that's hard to understand and, explain but it's more. Real.

1488
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:54.119
Yeah, Well kathy is As steve has been telling you

1489
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:57.640
this and as a, physician AND i know that it's been,

1490
01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:01.279
tough particularly whenever we talk about nd near death experiences

1491
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:05.279
as they've been defined. As particularly in the medical, field

1492
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:08.439
it's a challenge for some doctors to get their brains

1493
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:12.720
around something as mystical and supernatural as a near death.

1494
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.479
Experience, right that's, Right.

1495
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.880
And that's because if the physician really doesn't believe that

1496
01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:22.079
there's anything more than what we have in this, life

1497
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:26.560
then they really have no framework to put stories like

1498
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:27.119
that into.

1499
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:31.560
Context but for someone who believes.

1500
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.560
In, god and especially if they Know, jesus they are

1501
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:39.159
going to have a totally different, mindset a totally different

1502
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.199
frame of mind and be open To, wow there is

1503
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.600
life beyond this. Life after we, die we do have

1504
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:51.319
a place to. Go so it really depends on the

1505
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:52.000
person in their.

1506
01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:55.960
Mindset right As steve was relating this to, you were

1507
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.439
there particular things that stood out that you had to

1508
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:04.680
realize that this was? Supernatural Because steve was conveying experiences

1509
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:05.479
and things.

1510
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.760
That the only way he could know him was because

1511
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:09.600
he was in.

1512
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:13.199
Heaven that maybe that both of you were not aware

1513
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:13.800
of here on.

1514
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.800
Earth, OH i certainly wasn't aware of what he was going.

1515
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:21.760
Through it was the horribleness.

1516
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:26.560
That we were going through in THE icu so he remembered.

1517
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:31.319
His journey to heaven really when he was in the

1518
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.560
hospital three and a half, months and so he was

1519
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.520
in three different, hospitals so he was in THE icu

1520
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:42.520
and intermediate care facility and then a rehab. Hospital so

1521
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.479
it wasn't until shortly before he came home from the

1522
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:50.760
rehab hospital that he started having all of these memories

1523
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:55.119
just flood back into. Him and so he didn't initially

1524
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.840
share it with me because you want me to think

1525
01:19:58.279 --> 01:19:59.520
he was, crazy.

1526
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.560
So more than, normal, Right, Steve, Right.

1527
01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:08.199
So you, KNOW i, MEAN i do have a scientific,

1528
01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:10.760
mind and SO, i you, know know how to judge.

1529
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.439
Things and THEN i know my, husband and you, know

1530
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:17.640
it's interesting because before all of, this he was never

1531
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.479
interested in near death. Experiences when my mom died in twenty,

1532
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:26.279
EIGHTEEN i read all kind of books about heaven and

1533
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:29.079
near death experiences and all of this. Stuff there are

1534
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:33.800
physicians who've written books about, it AND i just absorbed

1535
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.079
all of. It and every TIME i read, ONE i

1536
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.479
handed to him and he, goes, nap don't want tory

1537
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.680
That i'm not interested in, that you, Know so every single,

1538
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.960
time never did he read anybody else's, Story and so

1539
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:50.760
it was really amazing to me that he, Said, HEY

1540
01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.640
i had something happened to me WHEN i was on

1541
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.560
that villa later in a, coma and then he started

1542
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.239
telling me about the angel and about all of these

1543
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:03.680
things that he saw in, heaven and it was really.

1544
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:07.159
Amazing we have so much detail in the. Book The

1545
01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:09.680
lord allowed him to see so many things.

1546
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:14.119
Exactly, well do you have? Time can you stay with

1547
01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:16.000
me a little bit? LONGER i want to get in

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01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:16.920
more detail of.

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01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:18.600
This this is just so.

1550
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:22.279
PRECIOUS i, mean you, Know kathy just referenced the Book

1551
01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:25.000
I've been To. Heaven this is the true story of

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01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:29.439
a husband's supernatural near death experience of the, afterlife his

1553
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:33.239
wife's prayer that brought him back In god's message.

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01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:33.800
Of hope for the.

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World and we're visiting with the authors As steve And Kathy.

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course it was also co written with my dear Friend Troy,

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anderson who is just an incredible. Blessing as you. Know, obviously,

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Heaven it's the story Of steve And Kathy boyle's as

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she's a, doctor he's AN it.

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Professional and this book is.

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Incredible it's a true story of a husband's supernatural near death. Experience, Steve,

1630
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:51.119
SO i, mean here you, are and you're in this

1631
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:55.079
coma and you're in. Heaven the angel is taking you to.

1632
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:59.279
Heaven you're starting to see things and you EVEN i,

1633
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:02.239
mean you're, dogs you, know past, Dogs AND i mean

1634
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:06.079
you say that really touches me BECAUSE i, mean who

1635
01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:09.359
doesn't love? Dogs and everybody, wonders, hey of all, dogs

1636
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.720
HAVEN'T i think even the good and the bad.

1637
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.239
ONES i think they all go to. HEAVEN i THINK

1638
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:14.159
i don't, know it's just my.

1639
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:17.640
Heart that's just, Yeah, god you know WHAT i, mean

1640
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.560
because there's a reason even when they're. Bad there's a reason.

1641
01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:23.159
Why you, Know god's trying to teach us something even

1642
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:28.439
through their. Badness but, anyway that, aside but you mentioned

1643
01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:32.560
you were reunited with loved, ones including your son who was.

1644
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:34.079
Miscarried what was?

1645
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:34.600
That what was that?

1646
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:38.199
Like, oh that was pretty. Amazing it was a little bit,

1647
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:41.720
shocking to be honest with, you because it was it

1648
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:45.039
was SOMETHING i hadn't thought about in since it, happened

1649
01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:48.920
which had, been you, know twenty years or so. Previously

1650
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:53.039
and So, marzuka Who i've actually found out is my guardian,

1651
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.079
angel and he with me SINCE i was. Conceived. Huh

1652
01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:01.279
we were walking across this field and this little boy

1653
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:03.680
walks up to me and he, says he, Goes, hi

1654
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:07.840
my name Is. DANIEL i think you're my. Dad i'm, like,

1655
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.000
Whoa So I'M.

1656
01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:13.680
I kind of now how how old was? He you?

1657
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:15.319
Know he looked like he was like five or.

1658
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.760
Six oh five or Six, okay it looked like.

1659
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:21.600
He was five or Six, okay but he was pretty

1660
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sharp for a five or six year, old because he

1661
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doesn't have all the corruption that you get here On,

1662
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:26.800
EARTH i.

1663
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Guess but and of course you said you take after

1664
01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:29.439
your mother's.

1665
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Son, yeah WELL i could tell he had a mix

1666
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Of by looking at, HIM i could tell he had

1667
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features from both of, Us, yes but the good looking

1668
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:41.239
features probably came from.

1669
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Her BUT i was talking about his. Mind, yeah well.

1670
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:45.880
Yeah probably not.

1671
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:46.159
Too.

1672
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:52.159
Yeah so, anyway he, said, YEAH i, said, well you,

1673
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:54.520
know we were going to have a little. BABY i,

1674
01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:56.159
said my wife thought it was going to be a little,

1675
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:58.439
boy and she was going to name Him. Daniel and he,

1676
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:01.720
Says i've been here SINCE i was really, little and he,

1677
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:03.680
GOES i was raised in a place with a bunch

1678
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:08.760
of other little, babies and he said. THAT i, WELL

1679
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.199
i said, that, well you, know your mom would really

1680
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:14.439
love to see you because and she's really, pretty and he, goes,

1681
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:18.720
YEAH i Know i've seen. Her oh, Wow SO i

1682
01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:22.279
know that was pretty. Amazing WHEN i Told kathy about,

1683
01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:26.159
that she was really excited to know, that you, know

1684
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.159
he's there and all those anyone who's lost a, baby

1685
01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:32.680
those babies are there waiting for. You so you just

1686
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.000
need to make sure you Know jesus and go to

1687
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:35.880
heaven and be with.

1688
01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:38.479
Them, yeah you, know you think about, It you, Know,

1689
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.960
kathy how tough it is in of, course this is

1690
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:46.920
a personal issue when you, miscarry and then to realize, that,

1691
01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.359
yes in, FACT i was just speaking with a dear

1692
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:52.600
friend and she had five. Miscarriages AND i don't know

1693
01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:55.000
WHY i said. THIS i just maybe The Holy spirit

1694
01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:59.159
had had prompted me to do, so AND i had

1695
01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:01.359
the sense of assuring THAT i was supposed to tell

1696
01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:04.119
her that those babies are waiting for you in heaven

1697
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:08.079
and and and the comfort that it gave, her and she,

1698
01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:11.159
goes do you think? So AND i, SAID, i you,

1699
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:13.199
KNOW i really, do AND i think it's it's more

1700
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:15.720
THAN i. THINK i just have this this, sense this

1701
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:18.359
confirmation That god is giving me right now that that's the.

1702
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:21.720
Case AND i know What steve and you are sharing

1703
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:25.079
right now is important because how many, miscarriages you, know

1704
01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:28.880
do we have every year that women you, know deal

1705
01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:31.359
with and they and they carry, this this is with

1706
01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:34.239
them forever because it's in their nature to, nurture, Right.

1707
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:39.800
Yes, absolutely AND i would encourage those women to actually

1708
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:42.159
name their. Child you, KNOW i was only four or

1709
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:45.039
five weeks, pregnant SO i didn't know for sure if

1710
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:46.800
it was a boy or a, girl BUT i just

1711
01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:48.840
prayed and asked The, lord AND i just felt like

1712
01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:52.399
it was a. Boy So daniel was my Favorite bible,

1713
01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:57.439
character SO i named Him. Daniel and When steve told me,

1714
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.640
THAT i was just, shocked and for a long, Time

1715
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:02.960
i'd make him tell me this story over and, Over,

1716
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:06.159
kenn AND i would do right because you, know AND

1717
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:08.640
i also want to, add you, know even if a

1718
01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:13.479
woman has lost a baby through, Abortion god's grace brings,

1719
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:18.520
forgiveness and so those babies are still waiting for you

1720
01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:21.279
in heaven if the baby was, aborted and that child

1721
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:25.439
will find you and you have an incredible, reunion.

1722
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:29.960
You, imagine because you know WHAT i hear, often you,

1723
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.760
know from women particularly and now an increasing number of

1724
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:37.159
men's dove who when they realize the reality of what,

1725
01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:41.279
abortion what abortion, did and, that you, know because the

1726
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:46.479
doctors have misrepresented and, said, oh, well it's just like you,

1727
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:49.840
know if it's an abortive, patient, uh you know pill

1728
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:52.119
that they, take, well it's just like taking tailand. All

1729
01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:57.720
and you, know they just really negate the humanity of

1730
01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:03.319
what is growing inside of them And god's workmanship that

1731
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:09.399
is being demonstrated within their. Body and women will, Say,

1732
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:12.600
bill you, know my child would have been eight years old,

1733
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:16.319
today or they would have been. SIXTEEN i REMEMBER i

1734
01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.880
was In Los angeles AND i was interviewing a producer.

1735
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:19.960
Of an abortion.

1736
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.319
Movie AND i was looking at my notes AND i

1737
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:24.960
wasn't really paying attention to his, face but we were

1738
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.079
talking about. Abortion was the movie was about, abortion and

1739
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.439
we were talking about, it AND i relate to him

1740
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.760
about what women say to me anecdotally about their children

1741
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:36.600
and how their heart continues to ache for that, child

1742
01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:39.720
and you, know AND i looked up and tears were

1743
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:42.399
rolling down his, face and he, Said, bill my son

1744
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:47.239
would have been. Eighteen and you know that is such

1745
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:54.960
a personal and profound. Connection and Only, god Only, god Our,

1746
01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:57.359
god would do, this.

1747
01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:58.520
Would reunite us.

1748
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:04.359
With with our, children regardless of the, mistake regardless of the.

1749
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:09.119
Condition as you, Say, kathy so, appropriately we can be

1750
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:10.199
so grateful For god's.

1751
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:16.239
Grace, Right, yes that's. Right, Yeah, Well, steve you saw

1752
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:17.039
a baseball game in?

1753
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.239
Heaven? Huh was? It was?

1754
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:21.319
It The angels and The? DODGERS i, mean, what? What

1755
01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:21.760
what teams?

1756
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:27.359
Were you, KNOW i know it's REALLY i know it's

1757
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.319
kind of crazy, sounding but it was just it. Was

1758
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:32.520
it was a baseball game in. Heaven in, fact WHEN

1759
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.279
i first met my, BROTHER i asked him what he

1760
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:38.199
did and he, says, OH i go to Apostle Paul's bible.

1761
01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:40.600
STUDIES i go to baseball. Game SO i say baseball,

1762
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:43.560
games and he, goes, yeah there's baseball in. Heaven well

1763
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:44.479
so we.

1764
01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:45.319
No, way no.

1765
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:47.560
Way when you fast forward on, me we're talking about

1766
01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:49.199
you mentioned you saw your brother in heaven.

1767
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:51.359
Too, YEAH i saw your death. Experience, okay all.

1768
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:52.760
Right because we're talking about the sun and now you

1769
01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:54.079
shift to the BROTHER i just want to make SURE

1770
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:56.039
i don't want to leave them behind.

1771
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:56.199
Here.

1772
01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:58.760
Okay SO i tried to set up the baseball game because,

1773
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:02.560
okay so so, anyway So marzukas, SAYS i got a

1774
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:04.680
treat for. You so we started going to this huge

1775
01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.359
stadium THAT i saw, well AND i got to, say

1776
01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:10.760
there's probably other sports in, heaven BECAUSE i think all

1777
01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.279
good ideas come From, god and SO i think baseball

1778
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:15.840
was one of. Them so we got to go to

1779
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:20.199
a baseball. Game the bases were made of, gold the

1780
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.399
the you, know the nobody got hurt in, heaven so

1781
01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:28.039
the umpires and the uh catchers didn't have to wear

1782
01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:32.960
protective clothing or anything like. That and the. Pitchers the

1783
01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:35.680
physics is a little different in heaven because the pitchers

1784
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:39.279
get throw like a quarkscrew. Pitch That, okay that was

1785
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:42.239
good and it was very hard to. HIT i don't

1786
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:44.239
know the, RULES i, mean BECAUSE i would think they'd

1787
01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:46.800
throw that like every, pitch but you, know maybe there's

1788
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:48.680
a rule on how many times they can throw it

1789
01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:50.319
in an inning or something like.

1790
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:52.800
That but, yeah because if you break the, rules then,

1791
01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:55.720
man you're you're going you're going below that, said you're

1792
01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:56.000
out of.

1793
01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:57.960
Here you're you're not even thrown out of the. Game

1794
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:02.880
you put down way down below the. Dugout, okay you.

1795
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:04.960
Get translated to a place probably you don't want to,

1796
01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:10.279
be but, Anyway, no it's an amazing. Game it was. Fun.

1797
01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:13.479
Everybody everybody cheered for each. OTHER i, mean both teams

1798
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.239
played for each other because they know it's just a

1799
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:21.159
game and having. Fun and it was so. Enjoyable there

1800
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.840
was thousands and thousands and thousands of people in this

1801
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:27.920
stadium watching this, game and you know.

1802
01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:29.880
With peanuts and cracker jacks and hot.

1803
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.039
Dogs WELL i didn't eat, anything AND i don't know

1804
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:34.840
what they were particularly eating BECAUSE i didn't recognize, it

1805
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:39.359
But i'm sure it was. Good and then there was

1806
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:42.720
an amazing kind of like a light show. Afterwards it's

1807
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:46.960
kind of like similar to, fireworks except with you, Know

1808
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:51.119
god's got ways that he can create lights and all

1809
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:55.039
kinds of stuff in, heaven so it was just really. Incredible,

1810
01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:58.199
well and like you, say everything is so, magnified all

1811
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:01.560
the colors and everything like. That could you Imagine god

1812
01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:04.960
putting on a fireworks? Show who, oh you, know even

1813
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.520
the best Ones i've seen here On earth don't even

1814
01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:08.840
come close to comparing to.

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01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:10.640
That not even that's.

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1904
01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:49.760
typical you, know twenty minute. Interview we might need to

1905
01:39:49.800 --> 01:39:53.079
spend some more. Time SO i appreciate you extending grace

1906
01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:56.199
and being patient with me BECAUSE i know our audience

1907
01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:57.359
is glued to your.

1908
01:39:57.399 --> 01:39:57.760
Story.

1909
01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.720
Here it's it's all in the, book by the, way

1910
01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:02.720
so you can read the, book because we're not there's no,

1911
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.840
way even in this extended period of time can we

1912
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.039
get to. It all the book Is i've been to

1913
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:10.880
having a true story of a husband's supernatural near death

1914
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:14.439
experience of the, afterlife his wife's prayer that brought him,

1915
01:40:14.439 --> 01:40:18.239
back And god's message of hope for the. World so

1916
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:24.399
you're a baseball, game everybody's having, fun interesting supernatural, pitches

1917
01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:28.960
nobody's throwing the imp out of the. Game everybody's, happy

1918
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.239
and they're enjoying the purity of, baseball, right.

1919
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:36.279
Yes, Exactly, Yeah and it was just it was an

1920
01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:40.159
amazing experience because ALSO i got to sit there with

1921
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:44.279
my brother and my, Son So, daniel my, son and my,

1922
01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.439
brother we were all sitting right next to each other

1923
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:48.560
in this. Game we were getting we were talking about the,

1924
01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:51.600
game and it was just it was so it was

1925
01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:54.760
so real and so fun and just you, KNOW i

1926
01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:55.760
can't wait to see another.

1927
01:40:55.840 --> 01:41:01.119
Game WELL i, bet, yeah yeah.

1928
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:02.319
DON'T i don't have to see one.

1929
01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:06.279
Tomorrow but, right, yeah, yeah this near death experience is,

1930
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:08.199
enough you know for a little. Bit but Although i'm

1931
01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:12.079
sure when you go through something like, that, uh you,

1932
01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:15.560
know there's this DESIRE i got to. IMAGINE i, mean you,

1933
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.000
know here you, Are you're you're meeting up with your,

1934
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.640
son you're seeing your brother. Again, uh let's talk about more.

1935
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:25.039
EXPERIENCES i, mean you, Actually, steve you See.

1936
01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:26.720
JESUS i.

1937
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:28.960
DID i got to See. Jesus. Uh one of the

1938
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:32.560
last Places marzuka took me in our my tour Of

1939
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:37.000
heaven OR i got to go to The Throne room

1940
01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:40.960
and it was it was that was obviously like the

1941
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.479
most amazing experience of going To heaven because The Throne

1942
01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:49.800
room was just. Amazing it was it is, beautiful it's it's,

1943
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.800
elaborate it's you, know it's something that you could just

1944
01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:57.680
Imagine god would would have. Created it's there's like gold

1945
01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:03.119
inside the The Throne. Room there's a huge rainbow. Behind

1946
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:05.920
let me kind of start over. Again there's a big

1947
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.079
there's this kind of a platform that there are two,

1948
01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.720
thrones And jesus is on one And god is The,

1949
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:15.680
father is on the other. One And god was. Light

1950
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.920
it was just a bright. Light And psalms ONE o

1951
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:23.199
four says That god closes himself in, light and so

1952
01:42:23.479 --> 01:42:26.640
people can look that. Up so, anyway SO i saw

1953
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:28.399
this light and it was and it didn't hurt my

1954
01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:32.239
eyes to look at. Him but when he, spoke he it,

1955
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:35.119
thundered it, thundered BUT i could understand what he was.

1956
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:39.720
Saying and he, said welcome To, Heaven, Steve and then we.

1957
01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:42.439
Walked did you did you have a fearful response at that,

1958
01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:44.720
point because most people who have come in contact With,

1959
01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:47.520
god you, know we read in The Old, testament whether

1960
01:42:47.560 --> 01:42:50.439
It's isaiah or other, prophets when they come in contact With,

1961
01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:53.800
god it's just so awesome that it's a it.

1962
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:54.680
Creates a sense of.

1963
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:56.359
Fear BUT i guess you're in, heaven so there's no

1964
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:57.840
fear there in, heaven, Right.

1965
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.279
No in, fact it was just the. Opposite i've felt

1966
01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:05.199
so much love and protection and just just. Acceptance in,

1967
01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:07.359
FACT i can tell you a little story at the

1968
01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:10.279
very end but you, KNOW i just felt it was.

1969
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:14.159
AMAZING i there's like no other place you'd want to, be, actually,

1970
01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:17.640
right just because the presence of The lord, There it

1971
01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:19.079
just wraps around.

1972
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.760
You but, yeah and a, SECOND i want to want

1973
01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:23.720
to Ask kathy this and get her insight on. This,

1974
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:28.680
kathy you, know and we reference some scripture. Here god

1975
01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:32.760
welcomes us into The Throne room because Of jesus' sacrifice for. Us,

1976
01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.840
Right So steve's telling you, this and this is just

1977
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.600
right reconfirming everything you've been reading and studying most of your.

1978
01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:43.319
Life, right that's exactly, right you. Know and we don't

1979
01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:45.640
have to worry about not being worthy if we Know.

1980
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:48.760
Jesus he is the one that made the way for

1981
01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:51.000
us to go to heaven and to be part Of god's,

1982
01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:55.520
family and heaven is an amazing place and we will

1983
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:57.239
get to see him if we Know.

1984
01:43:57.399 --> 01:43:58.079
Jesus.

1985
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:01.760
Amen, Amen and he, says as you, Said, steve we're

1986
01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:04.359
welcomed into That Throne room to find grace and mercy

1987
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:07.800
in that time of need because of the sacrifice of

1988
01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:08.680
Our lord And.

1989
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:09.079
Savior.

1990
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:11.760
Right, well let me just mention this real, quick because

1991
01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.000
WHEN i walked in With, marzuka he melt, down he

1992
01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:17.119
bowed his, head and he pushed me forward with his

1993
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:19.840
hand on my. Back SO i went forward AND i

1994
01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:22.680
had my encounter With, jesus which was. Amazing and then

1995
01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.319
WHEN i, LEFT i Asked, MARZUKA i, said why did

1996
01:44:25.399 --> 01:44:27.439
you leave or why did you kneel? Down and why

1997
01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:29.600
did you push me? Forward he, said he, said The

1998
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.439
lord is my, master AND i serve, him SO i

1999
01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:33.840
bow to. Him he, said but you are his. Family

2000
01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:36.479
you are covered by his, blood and you are. Accepted

2001
01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:39.119
so you can go boldly into The oh, wow and

2002
01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:41.359
you can walk across him and you don't have to,

2003
01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:43.880
gravel and you don't have to crawl to him because

2004
01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:45.640
he loves you and you are his.

2005
01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:48.560
Family is that, Incredible?

2006
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:52.079
KATHY i mean put that in, perspective, right that's.

2007
01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:56.079
Amazing when he was experiencing in the throne, ROOM i

2008
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.399
was experiencing in prayer BECAUSE i was going daily to

2009
01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:04.039
the throne in prayer and putting my petitions before The

2010
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:07.840
lord and believing What god had promised us in his.

2011
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.920
Words so, yes it was.

2012
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:15.039
Amazing, well all, right so now it's, time you, know

2013
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:19.640
for you to leave the throne, room And marzuka ushers you,

2014
01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:20.840
out where's your next?

2015
01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:25.439
Stop, Well marzuk we left the throne room In marzuka

2016
01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:27.039
was telling, me he said, like, WELL i need to

2017
01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:28.920
get you back to your body because you're going to

2018
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:31.079
be waking up really soon And kathy's going to be

2019
01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:32.000
sitting there waiting for.

2020
01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:32.079
You.

2021
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:35.399
Oh kind Of the next THING i remember IS i

2022
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:39.000
wake up And kathy's sitting there waiting for, me and

2023
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.359
kind of kind of WISHING i was probably back In

2024
01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:43.239
heaven at that point in.

2025
01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:43.680
Time but.

2026
01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:49.479
At that point in TIME i really hadn't remembered anything.

2027
01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:52.319
Yet but ALL i do IS i woke up and

2028
01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:56.720
really realized what bad SHAPE i was in Because i'm

2029
01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:59.520
still in this hospital and Now i'm on a. VENTILATOR

2030
01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.279
i can't. TALK i couldn't talk for like two, months

2031
01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:05.479
which drives you crazy because you just. Anything you can't

2032
01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:08.960
communicate with, anybody. RIGHT i felt terrible, Anyway so.

2033
01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:13.399
Well Well i'll tell you. WHAT i kind of sped

2034
01:46:13.479 --> 01:46:14.640
up a little. Bit BUT i wanted to.

2035
01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:20.000
Also focus on and forgive me for skipping this because

2036
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:22.600
this is actually key and that is the message That

2037
01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:24.279
jesus gave you before you.

2038
01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:29.000
Left, yes, yes SO i had seen a few things in,

2039
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.720
heaven And jesus asked me IF i saw, him and

2040
01:46:31.960 --> 01:46:35.119
he told, me, YES i saw, him but he, said he,

2041
01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:38.600
Said i'm basically he put his hands on my shoulders

2042
01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:40.199
and he, SAYS i have work for you to, do

2043
01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.000
And i'm going to tell you what it is at

2044
01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.479
the right. Time and so that's one of the REASONS

2045
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:47.680
i came back is Because jesus had more work for

2046
01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:50.000
me to. Do AND i really believe a lot of

2047
01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:52.199
that has to do now with just being able to

2048
01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.800
share my, experience because you, know there's the world is

2049
01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:57.920
in such crazy shape right. Now so many things are

2050
01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:00.479
happening almost on a daily. Basis you can't keep up with.

2051
01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.039
It and we really need to focus on our eternal

2052
01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:07.760
destiny in our eternal home as opposed to keeping our

2053
01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.079
eyes and worrying about everything that's going on On. Earth

2054
01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:12.760
we can't control the stuff on, earth but we can

2055
01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:15.760
sure control our destiny and go Into heaven and keeping

2056
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:17.720
our eart On, Jesus.

2057
01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:19.640
Yeah because all this stuff on earth is, vaporing, Right,

2058
01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:21.159
Kathy that's.

2059
01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:21.800
Right you.

2060
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.439
KNOW i think part of our message is just that

2061
01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:27.880
when you face a crisis situation like we faced In

2062
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:31.159
steve's being in THE icu for such a long time

2063
01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:34.760
with a very very slim chance of. SURVIVAL i think

2064
01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:39.119
people need to know That god is. There he still answers,

2065
01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:43.479
prayer he still does, miracles Because steve is a, walking

2066
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:48.720
talking miracle. Now so it is amazing what his power can.

2067
01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:51.359
Do and you, know that's one of the things that

2068
01:47:52.039 --> 01:47:54.600
we've got as a message in the. Book at the

2069
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.439
end of the book is an appendix with all of

2070
01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:00.479
the healing scriptures THAT i spoke Over Steve evele he

2071
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:01.640
was in that hospital.

2072
01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:02.600
Room, yeah.

2073
01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:07.119
Exactly, well And jesus gave you a mission to be

2074
01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:12.439
a messenger of. Hope and just as other prophets Before

2075
01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:15.840
jesus came the first, time they were very hopeful and

2076
01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:20.199
they received messages From god to you, know to present

2077
01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:25.199
to people to carry that hope forward and and and

2078
01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:28.920
here you are as a messenger of, hope not For

2079
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:30.640
jesus' first, coming but for a second.

2080
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:32.840
Coming he's coming and, soon, right.

2081
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:37.039
Yes, amen that's what You very, soon, actually he said very.

2082
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:41.199
Soon so, yeah you can just figure that out by

2083
01:48:41.239 --> 01:48:43.399
looking at the world today in the shape and. Sin,

2084
01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:46.800
well he did give us the signs that we could look,

2085
01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:49.479
for and you look at. IT i have said ever

2086
01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:53.399
Since israel became a nation, again it's as if you,

2087
01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:56.760
know the hour hand On god's prophetic clock was, set

2088
01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.479
and what's passing now or minutes and seconds and each

2089
01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:04.239
minute that passes, by as you, Say, steve is that another,

2090
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:09.840
occurrence another indication Of jesus's second. COMING i love What

2091
01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:13.520
Billy graham said when he was asked if we were

2092
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:14.439
living in the last.

2093
01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:16.680
Days he, goes, oh, yeah these are the last of

2094
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:18.560
the last. Days.

2095
01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.359
YEAH i would almost say we're living in the last.

2096
01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:26.399
Hours, yeah, yeah we're getting down to it right. Yeah so,

2097
01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:29.479
yeah because, again AS i mentioned early, on When i'm

2098
01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:32.600
in studying The book Of bacup right, now you, know

2099
01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:36.199
the prophet is frustrated because, Saying, god how long you?

2100
01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:38.800
Know and here we, are as you, said the, craziness

2101
01:49:38.840 --> 01:49:41.920
the chaos that's happening in our, country and these problems

2102
01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:43.880
are not going to be solved by. Governments they're not

2103
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:48.079
going to be solved by any one political. Personality it

2104
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:52.279
has to Be god himself that's got to come in and,

2105
01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:57.039
bring you, know bring the solution to the madness that

2106
01:49:57.079 --> 01:49:58.079
we find ourselves.

2107
01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:00.640
In and Those, kathy as.

2108
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.560
You, han indicated those that are away From god are

2109
01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:07.079
feeling and experiencing the madness more profoundly as opposed to

2110
01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:08.760
those whose hope is anchored In.

2111
01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:09.079
God.

2112
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:13.720
Right, YES i don't know how anyone can can really

2113
01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:17.119
survive today without knowing The. LORD i, mean just to

2114
01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:20.119
think that this is, It this is just this. Life

2115
01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:24.399
and you, know we face so many bad, Situations we

2116
01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:29.399
have so many challenges and then occasionally a horrible. Crisis

2117
01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:34.439
and SO i really want to encourage people to Seek

2118
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:37.760
god and Know him and Know jesus because he has

2119
01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:40.720
an incredibly great life for you here on this earth

2120
01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:42.319
and then amazing.

2121
01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:46.119
Eternity, Well, steve as we wrap things, Up i'm gonna

2122
01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:50.439
give you almost the final word. Here what do you

2123
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:51.720
want to leave our audience?

2124
01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:58.000
With, well you, know one of the times in the

2125
01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:01.000
HOSPITAL i almost. DIED i actually. DIE i almost died

2126
01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:03.960
about five or six, times the Most the biggest one,

2127
01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.800
was you, KNOW i was Almost they had taken me

2128
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.039
Off Fit. MAIL i had been on fitmil for a

2129
01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:11.640
long time and they got it Off Cold, turkey AND

2130
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:15.319
i really felt LIKE i was, dying and you, KNOW

2131
01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:18.399
i was like near, death and the, uh this black

2132
01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:20.800
cloud was coming over me AND i AND i thought to, myself,

2133
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:22.840
WOW i COULD i could. Die AND i heard an

2134
01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:27.399
audible voice that, said keep your eye on, me AND

2135
01:51:27.640 --> 01:51:29.520
i knew that was the voice of The lord telling

2136
01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:32.199
me to take my mind off my problems and put

2137
01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:35.239
my my thoughts on. Him SO i, did AND i

2138
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:37.960
started praising him and worshiping him in my in my

2139
01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:41.359
brain BECAUSE i couldn't do anything. Else and, uh you,

2140
01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.680
know so that's that's almost my motto, now is just

2141
01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:45.560
to keep your eye On jesus because he's the only

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one that's going to get you out of your. Troubles

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the world one of these days is going to try

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to put their faith in a man who claims he

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can solve all their, problems and that's going to be

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the worst decision they ever. Make so it's it's better

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to just go With. Jesus just commit yourself To.

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Anderson I've been To. Heaven The true story of a

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wife's prayer that is appendix at the end of the. Book,

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uh you, know prayers of healing and then it's just

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very very. POWERFUL i love what you did, There, kathy

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and including that it's her prayers that brought him back

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In god's message of hope for the. World Stephen, cathy

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thank you so. Much, god bless, you thank, you thank

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