Dec. 11, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 11 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 11 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 11 25
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez, Well, good morning and welcome. Good

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to have you with us. Six minutes after the top

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of the our Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil from

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Landmark League. Oh hey, Mike, how you doing good?

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Bill, Good to be with you.

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Hey, always good looks. I thought we'd just you know,

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catch up on a couple of things that we talked previously.

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I think last week we did touch on, you know,

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the decision from the Court regarding Texas As redistricting. So

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big win and already I mean, no, sooner did that

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decision come down. You got Jasmine Crockett says, I'm leaving Congress,

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I'm running for a Senate and and you got musical

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chairs moving quite rapidly there in the state, right.

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Yeah. And it looks like the takeaway from the Supreme

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Court is this, I think, and keep in mind, this

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is we're going to be in jerrymandering wars now. This

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is That's the best way to just bottom line this

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and get the whole lay of the land is that

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respective state legislatures, whether they're controlled by Republicans or Democrats

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are going to jerrymander their respective states in a manner

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to maximize the political potential of their respective parties. So

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when you have states like Texas that are controlled by Republicans,

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certainly you're going to have that. On the other side

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of the ledger, you're gonna have states like California, which

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of course is a one party state, is already moving

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the state that is moving in the same process to

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redistrict out the Republicans, and they had something that was

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Proposition fifty that they just that just got through the voters.

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I mean, there's all kinds of questions about the validity

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of how that was presented and how that was voted on.

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Setting that aside for a second, and assuming that Proposition

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fifty is a valid law, there's a challenge to that.

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On the basis of it, it looked like the motivation

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behind the Proposition fifty in California was clearly race. I

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think there was actually on the record there's actually maximize

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the Hispanic the power of the Hispanic vote. So that

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sounds to me like it's motivated from race. Contrast that

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with what happened in Texas, where they were trying to

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remedy what had been racial gerrymandering, and that was the

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motivation on Texas, and it was partisanship. That being said,

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it sounds to me like the Supreme Court is going

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to give extreme deference to these state legislatures to redistrict

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their congressional congressional boundaries.

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Based based on based on party, not.

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Race, based on partisanship.

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Right.

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And I think the rationale, of course, is if you

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use if if the what motivates the redistricting or the

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jerrymandering is partisanship, that's permissible. That's not violative of the

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Fourteenth Amendment, it doesn't violate the Voter Rights Act. The

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Supreme Court is not going to get involved in it.

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If you can show that it's race, then then that

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might get a look from the courts. That being said,

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I think you're going to have to overwhelmingly show that

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it's race. In otherwords, it's not just going to be

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enough to show that it was part of it. You're

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going to have to show that the motivating factor was race,

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not partisanship. And now it's oftentimes difficult to separate this

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to right because oftentimes a lot of race and partisanship

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follow parallel tracks. Right, Well, I think you're going to

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have to really if you're going to be challenging these

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congressional are these state legislative actions to redistrict these to

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to redraw these congressional boundaries, You're really going to have

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to present really strong evidence to support your your your

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contention that it is motivated by race not partisanship. Because

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if the in Texas again, if you can show, if

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the state legislature can show hey wait, wait, wait, it's partisanship.

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We just wanted more Democrats, or we just wanted more Republicans,

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courts are gonna be like, okay, we don't want to

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get involved in this is a political decision. So yeah,

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it's good news in Texas. Might on the other you know,

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on the other side of the coin, you know, some

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of the justices, justices, conservative justices, you know, conservative quote

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unquote justices, indicated that they'd be predisposed to ruling in

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favor of Proposition fifty in California as well. So you know,

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you have, on one hand, there's the Supreme Court Gibbeth

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and on the other hand, you say, maybe from a

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political standpoint, they take it away. But again, had bottom

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line is they're going to say, hey, look, this is

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a political decision. We really don't want to get involved

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unless you can show.

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Race outside of the box. Mike. The thing that keeps

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coming up in my discussions with people are saying, well,

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wait a minute, you know, how is this fair? Like

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in California where you've got almost fifty forty percent. Yeah,

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roughly of the citizens of California vote Republican and they're

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they're you know, right now, they only have nine seats.

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The Democrats have what forty or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

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some incredible number. So it seems to be imbalanced. Is

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there something where I don't know if it's Congress or whoever,

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has to step in and say, look at you can

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jerry mander to your heart's content, but there needs to

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be a tolerance level. You can't be based on partisanship,

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you know, go one hundred percent and get rid of

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the opposing party because you happen to have you know,

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the majority control, super majority control.

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Yeah, well, I don't. I don't think there's an easy

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answer to that question. There's not, because as long as

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under our structure, you know, the state legislature is designed,

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you know, designate the boundaries for congressional districts, and until

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that structural, until you address that structurally. If assuming you

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want to address that structurally, you're going to have what

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we have now, which is again, as I said initially,

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the gerrymandering awards, where you're going to have these right

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absurdly ridiculous as long as partisanship is a valid and

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again the courts have held that partisanship is a valid

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motivation for designing these congressional districts. As long as that's

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the rule, you're all you're going to have this. You're

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going to have this, uh you know, I mean, I'm

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hesitant to use it, but really you are disenfranchisement. I

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mean you say, exactly, look at look at look at

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New England, though, Bill, I mean, if you look at

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if you take if you take a picture of New England,

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you know, and you see, you say, it's the same

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thing as California. It's it's extremely blue, and its representation

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in Congress. And yet thirty to forty percent of the

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people you know, are are our Republican in our or

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more predisposed to about Republican and the states. So I think

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it's just the lay of the land and on a

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on a on a broader level, it does. It does

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contribute to further divides through our country. You know, I

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mean you're gonna yeah, but then you're in the reds

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and the blues are blues and they don't have to

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come together. It's it's probably not a good thing.

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Well fundamentally you're back to majority rule. Yeah, yeah, right,

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And and so I mean I don't know. I mean,

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and of course it's an uphill battle, particularly in California

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because they've been so solidly uh you know, super majority

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controlled and it's been the uniparty there that it's an

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uphill battle for them. And God only knows. I mean,

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there's always suspicion about their you know, their registration roles

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in that I think they still have they still have

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over a million and a half people on the rolls

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that they already determined should not be I mean it

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was three million at one time. They got rid of

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half of them. Uh, and it's like, well what happened

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to the other half. Well that you know, they're they're

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not willing to go cold turkey in terms of cleaning

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up their voter roles.

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Yeah, California is a mess. I mean, we could talk

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I mean, we could have hours and hours of conversations

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of all the problems with the electoral system in California.

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It's it's absurd, starting with the fact that they've they've placed,

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they've put in institutional barriers to ensuring that their voter

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roles are accurate. In other words, uh sec, the DMV

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can't even communicate with the Secretary of State. The secretary

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of State in a in a respective state is in

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trusted with ensuring the accuracy of the voting roles, right,

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that's one of their primary jobs, and that's delegated down

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to registrars in the counties, et cetera. But the Secretary

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of State the DMV don't even talk in California. If

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you figure, you go to California, you get a driver's license,

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you're automatically registered to vote automatically.

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Yeah, right, exactly.

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To get its easy as heck. To get a driver's license,

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you actually actually affirm, you actually have to say I'm

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not a citizen. And in order to add you would

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figure that if the DMV has a list of identifiers

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and identify, you know, points of identification of individuals who've

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asserted that they're not citizens, I'm not a citizen, but

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I'm getting a driver's license. Here's my address, here's my

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you know, my age, my dob, et cetera. You figure

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that the DMV has a list of people who have

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acknowledged that they're not citizens. But it makes sense to

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take that information and share it with the Secretary of State,

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so the Secretary of State can say, oh, wait, I'm

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going to cross reference this and I'm going to say, hey,

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Mike O'Neill has indicated he's got a driver's license, he

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indicated he's not a citizen. He lives at this address.

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I'm going to give this information to the vote Registrar

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of voters and see if Mike O'Neil's name appears on

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the voting list. And if it does, I'm going to

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reach out to Mike O'Neil and say, hey, you're on

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the voting list. You're not a citizen. You might break

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belong commit a felony if you go and accidentally vote,

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because we send everybody in the mail ballots anyway. You

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just get it in the mail. All you have to

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do is check a box and then drop it back

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in a mailbox and it's already there, and you just

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committed a felony. So maybe it's a good idea to

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take Mike O'Neil's name off the list because he's not

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a citizen in California, there's a law that the DMB

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cannot communicate with the Secretary of State. Why do you

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think that is exactly detect And that's that's to ensure

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that this this skewed system continues to exist in California.

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They're not interested in ensuring the accuracy of their voter

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roles from as from an institutional perspective, exactly. There's just

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it's just in so many ways, it's just really really

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sad what's gone out there again, Uh, mail voting and

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mass you don't have to do anything. You just get

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a ballot in the mail. If you're names on a

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voter list, there didn't matter. So that's it's just it's

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in a lot of ways. You know, there's so many

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good people out in California who are fighting these battles

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to try to you know, these these battles to try

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to understand this and dismantle this ridiculous, the systemic fraud

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that's been instituted, exactly. But you know, you fight it

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as you continue to go. We can talk for hours

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about California.

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Now we got to go to break. We got more

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With your nineteen minutes right now after the top of

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the our Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal.

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Just one more thing about California. Oh yeah, by the way,

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you know, they may get this information, but they're not.

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The DMV is not sharing it with a Secretary of State.

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But it seems the DMV is sharing it with trucking

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companies and they'll, you know, they'll send the information. Trucking

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company say, hey, I think we've got a new hiary here.

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He's a little rough on the language and he's not

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a legal citizen, but you know, I think you should

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be able to you know, he's got he's got a

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driver's license, go ahead and certify them and putting behind

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the steering will of an eighteen wheel truck.

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Right, Yeah, And this is one of those things I'm

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you know, I understand and I respect separation of powers

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in our federalist system, and I respect the role that

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states have and the generally, you know, states should be

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left to handle their own affairs. However, and again I'm

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always skeptical about federal intervention, but this is a case,

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this is a classic case with the Department of Transportation,

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and I think they are doing this really needs to

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intercede on this. These are commercial driver's license. This is

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the definition of interstate commerce exactly, and the power of

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Congress under our constitutional structures to of course, to regulate

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interstate commerce. That's fair when you have these multi state,

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these interstate trucking companies that deliver goods and service goods

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throughout the country. There is a role for federal oversight here,

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and I think that it's imperative that these states get

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in line and to the extent to which that they

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are perpetuating this fraud. Again, continuing to ensure that non citizens,

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individuals who can't even read English, are are awarded commercial

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driver's licenses. There needs just a serial intervention immediately on

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this and zero tolerance. I mean, it's endangering people on

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the highways. And you know, we have this impression of

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you know, the trucking, your trucker is, it's a necessary component,

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it's a blue collar worker. We had this kind of

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stereotypical who this is, but that's that's not really not

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the case what we're seeing, right, It's it's somebody from

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you know, who just maybe arrived from wherever.

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Packets some third world country, right exactly.

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Come in here. So no, no, no, no, no that

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you know, I'm all for opportunities and and everything, but

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if you're going to come in here, there's there needs

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to be a there needs to be a baseline qualifications

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to be a CDL driver in the United States, and

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to the extent to which states aren't ensuring that that's happening,

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there should be consequences for them enforced by the federal.

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It's so common sensical, Michael, I mean, you know, this

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is just absurd. So is how liable is the state

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of California on these issues? Are from livebuilding.

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Yeah, when you talk about Liabel it's talking about you're

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talking about, you know, whether whether they're accountable from a

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financial perspective. I mean they're they're certainly straight up if

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there's gross negligence that a state has and they're not

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they're not instituting any any kind of controls or any

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kind of checks to ensure that they're They're awarding licenses

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to these individuals and then those individuals are going out

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and committing gross you know, accidents, et cetera. I mean,

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you'd like to find some accountability, but again, you come

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into the the idea of of of immunity, of sovereign

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immunity there, and I mean, I think they should be accountable.

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I don't think from a private perspective, I don't think

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you could sue the state of California for awarding a

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CDL driver's license to somebody who's not qualified to do it.

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I think you I'd love to see that, but I

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don't think that you're going to get anywhere in a lasses.

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What's the only way you're going to stop it?

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Well, yeah, or the state or the federal government or

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the DOOT comes in and says you're not getting highway

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funds unless you get unless you get your act together.

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I mean, that's like Michael, supposedly nineteen thousand uh commercial

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driver's license have been and uh you know, have been

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given to illegal immigrants.

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Yeah, absurd. Yeah, And that's that's your stick. You know,

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we talk about what your what your stick. Your stick

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is you either get this yet, California or whatever state

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you want to designate, you get your act in line

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with this, uh, you know, immediately, or we're not awarding

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federal highway funds for you. And the states need all.

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That money so that especially California, they're already bankrupt.

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Anybody exactly.

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Yeah, So you know, okay, all right, let's take a

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look at the Supreme Court. We got about six minutes

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left here. Lots of uh, you know, lots of cases

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on the docket here that are going to be you know,

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pretty you know, pretty concerning here. So go ahead and

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let's talk about them. Yeah.

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Sure. This earlier this week, we heard oral arguments in

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a case called Trump versus Slaughter. This is this is

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a case that's deciding the propriety of or whether the

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president can terminate employment of these heads of these quasi

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or these commissioners in these quasi independent agencies. In this case,

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it's the Federal Trade Commission. And so what the issue

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here is you had an individual, Rebecca Slaughter, who was

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originally nominated by President Trump to serve appointed by President

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Trump to service at FTC Commissioner. She served her term,

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was reappointed by Joe Biden. Joe Biden, her term is

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about seven years. Donald Trump comes back into office months

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to terminate her because he says, Rebecca Slaughter, you're not

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on board with the Trump agenda, and so I'm going

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to terminate your employment. And she is. She says, well, no,

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mister President, you can't terminate my employment. I'm insulated because

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Congress has passed the law insulating commissioners of these of

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these quasi independent agencies from from at will termination. So

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she can only be terminated unless she's, you know, unless

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she's done something really bad. And the President says, no,

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Congress doesn't have the power to insulate you from termination.

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I'm the executive. You're part of the executive branch, you

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effectuate executive duties. I want to fire you. And the

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question she relies on a decision from ninety years ago

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known as Humphrey's Executor, which had which stated this is

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a Supreme Court decision which stipulated that Congress could pass

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these sorts of laws to establish these quasi independent agencies.

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The rationale behind that years ago, the Humphrey's executor, was

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that these commissioners need to be a political and experts.

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They need to be able to be above the fray,

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and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be subject to the

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whims of the president or the undue influence of the president. Well,

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we know how and that was the rationale proffer ninety

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years ago. We know in reality that these folks are

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of course they're political, they have an agenda. The president

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wields executive power to the extent to which these individuals

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wield that executive power. These commissioners wield that executive power.

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They should be subject to accountability to the President of

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the United States. He should be able to terminate them

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if they're not on board with advancing his agenda. That's

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really the bottom line of this case. So it appears

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that we have six justices on the Court that are

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amenable to that argument, understand the proper separation of powers.

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They've been trending in this way for the past six

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or seven years. Really the Court's been understanding that administrative

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agencies need to be accountable to the president, not accountable

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to hoot you know themselves, this fourth, fourth branch of government,

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unaccountable to anybody. We can't insulate them from accountability. It's

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imperative that the president have this power. He has, I

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submit to you, and constitutional people like me always say

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he's always had this power. It's just the past ninety

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years have been an aberration. So I think we're going

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to you know, the court. The good news is the

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Court is returning and recognizing first principles, and I think

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that they're going to be poised to overturn this case.

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And really it's not just strengthening President Trump, it's understanding

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the inherent executive power of the exactly, not Donald Trump,

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it's anybody can be it.

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Well, I would think that future presidents are going to

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thank Donald Trump because of what he's doing, because he's

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reclaiming executive power. It's not that he's trying to create

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something out of whole cloth, right.

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Right, absolutely, And this is what's an important what a

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really interesting question that was posed, and I think it

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was Justice Kavanaugh said, well, why hasn't any president done

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this before? It's ninety years we're talking about why they.

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President Bush or even Reagan, for example, challenged the propriety

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of Humphrey's executor and the interesting question the solicitor general.

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And the answer the question the Solicitor General gave was well,

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I think all too often presidents were happy to farm

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out these tough political decisions to these unaccountable bureaucrats and commissioners.

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So and it's kind of it kind of goes hand

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in glove with what Congress does. Right, Remember Congress, We've

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talked about this a lot. Congress will pass these vague

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laws and then farm out the tough decisions to the

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administrative branch, to these unaccountable bureaucrats and say, oh, they

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can make the tough decisions because I need to get

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re elected and I don't want to have to I'm

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gonna take my hands off this. So I think that

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was a really interesting point that the Solicitor General made

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that says, hey, maybe other presidents weren't as bold in

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their in their assertion of executive power and saying, oh,

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the tough political decisions, Well, I'm just going to let

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others make those decisions for me. And now it's Donald

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Trump and makes these decisions. So that's a good thing.

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I also think the answer is why hasn't been challenging

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ninety years is the fact that we didn't have a

467
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.160
Supreme Court who was probably amenable to these arguments. Now

468
00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:57.799
we have an iteration of it that they're going to

469
00:22:57.880 --> 00:22:58.519
listen to it.

470
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Right, Yeah. And I think that it is important to

471
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:06.440
observe Donald Trump's influence because of his independence. You know,

472
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.079
I've said from day one, what makes Donald Trump so

473
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powerful and unique is you don't see him as one

474
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who is beholden to a you know, a d C.

475
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Establishment power base, you know.

476
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.519
Yeah, Yeah, And I think that's that's certainly certainly part

477
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of it. I think for people like me in the

478
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:29.880
in this legal movement who've long like held Humphrey's executor,

479
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:31.720
this is like super nerd stuff. But this is one

480
00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:35.359
of those cases that we always identify as just particularly

481
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.559
problematic from a separation of powers issue, from a separation

482
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.240
of powers perspective, and so we've always said, look, this

483
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.440
is just again the growth, this is just one of

484
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.200
those cases like Chevron that we talked about before, that's

485
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.960
always that you're trying to understand, how has this fourth

486
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:54.079
branch of government become so powerful and so all encompassing. Well,

487
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.440
there's there's under you know, there's laws, and then there's

488
00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.200
Supreme Court decision undergirding those laws. And until you just

489
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.640
begin to dis man all that piece meal, you're not

490
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.839
going to have you're not gonna have accountability from this

491
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.880
fourth branch of government. And again we're seeing this happening

492
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.200
slowly but surely. Again, this is you know, how do

493
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.319
you eat an elephant one bite at a time, right, right,

494
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.319
exactly one of those bites that you need to take.

495
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.359
Yeah, and Donald Trump only has three more years left

496
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:18.799
in which to do this, Michael.

497
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:24.920
Yeah, he does. But as long as we have a

498
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.200
Supreme Court constituted by six members, right, you never know

499
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:29.759
it's going to happen going into the future. As long

500
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as you have this, this composition of the United States

501
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Supreme Court does this is like Gorsich Thomas Alito, who

502
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.359
are open and listening to these arguments, listening to Justice

503
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:40.880
Gorstich talk about separation of powers is just manna from

504
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.039
heaven for people like me. So as long as you

505
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have that iteration and you have a bold enough Republican leadership,

506
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I think we're going to continue to see this slowly

507
00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.759
but surely. But it is it is a herculean task,

508
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:53.880
let's put it that way.

509
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.279
Well, I think our founding fathers wanted things to move slow, right,

510
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.559
We're we're not doing the Evelyn Woods school of speed

511
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.559
reading in legal type of format here, So a step

512
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.480
at a time, and I think it's prudent, and so

513
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.000
we just need to be patient and meanwhile maintain our

514
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arguments in our positions right here. Absolutely, Okay, leave it there,

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Michael Neil, thank you so much from Landmark Legal. Thank

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you for being with us. Take care, be well here, Bill,

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Hey, welcome back, Bill Martinez here along with the Manhattan

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581
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are we doing?

582
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:04.920
Oh great?

583
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Bill? How are you?

584
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:06.000
Hey?

585
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.680
I'm doing fine. I'm just kind of, you know, having

586
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.759
fun observing all these civilians and people who think they

587
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.279
know about the military. Uh, you know, it just reminds

588
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.680
you to say, thank God, you don't have some of

589
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.160
these democrats trying to conduct a war plan.

590
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.799
Right, No, it's absolutely right. And you know, we watched

591
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:25.759
over the last a week, week and a half, this

592
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.119
whole hubub about the boat strikes off of Venezuela, right,

593
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.160
and the I've seen these Democrats just weeping over these

594
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.319
these poor young guys who just want to make a

595
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.000
living sending drugs the United States? And how dare me,

596
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.960
nasty Trump and his henchman Pete xth interfere with their

597
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.240
their way of life and they're their living. I mean,

598
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:47.559
they're just such monsters.

599
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.079
Now, you've got you've got three hundred and thirty million

600
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.440
people there, So what's one hundred thousand young people that

601
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:55.920
we kill every year? That's right? You know, we have

602
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.359
a business to do here for goodness sakes, right.

603
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.039
I mean, those those of Venezuela and drug cartels, they

604
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.079
got to make a living too, right, So you know,

605
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.039
who who are Trump and excess to get in the

606
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.839
way of these people you know, trying to you know,

607
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.079
live better lives. After all?

608
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.839
Well, the thing that cracks me up here just by contrast, Okay,

609
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.720
we're talking about the double tap here. I call it

610
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:22.680
the art of the double tap. Well, you know, wonderful, right,

611
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.480
And the deal is is that what's interesting by contrasts,

612
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.799
Remember when Osama bin Laden was taken out, you know,

613
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.200
Rob O'Neil and Sealed Team six. They triple tapped him.

614
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And imagine if they said, all right, you can shoot

615
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:36.680
him once, but if he's still alive, you got to

616
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.799
read him as Miranda rights and you know, bring him

617
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.920
in and get him an a A CLU lawyer. You know,

618
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.559
if this imagine that rather than a bunch of Venezuelans

619
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.359
bringing drugs in the US, you had isis guys coming

620
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.000
in in boats trying to bring in a lot of

621
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.000
an atomic device? Are we supposed to them once? If

622
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.160
we miss them, we've got to go and fish them out,

623
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.440
and and you know, make sure that they've got comfortable

624
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.720
jail cells and and you know Ivy League lawyers. I mean,

625
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.079
this is just ridiculous stuff.

626
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.720
You fish fish and fish them out and retrieve all

627
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.000
the material that they brought with them so that they

628
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.920
can use it at another time.

629
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.279
I guess that's right. And you know if the idea is, look,

630
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.680
if you hit them once and they stay alive, you

631
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.359
can't hit them again. I guess if you just leave,

632
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.039
you're basically sentencing them to death because they're going to

633
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:22.680
be on the high seas, they're not gonna have any

634
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.559
first aid. Uh, they're likely going to dive exposure to

635
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.759
eaten by sharks in a couple of hours. So if

636
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.119
we're arguing that they have a right to life, it

637
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.880
seems to me that the obligation is to go and

638
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.440
rescue these guys and send them some Navy seals to

639
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.680
pick them up out of the water and uh, you know,

640
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.440
give them you know, three three hots and a cot

641
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.000
and uh, you know, maybe give them some English English

642
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.079
lessons and set them free to the US interior to

643
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.519
you know, join join the you know, eight or nine

644
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.319
million people who Joe Biden, Kamala Harris let in illegally exactly.

645
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.119
Well, you don't even know deroight if they were wounded,

646
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.880
I mean you got bombs bursting and you got shrapnel

647
00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.920
going all over the place there. H Yeah, Okay, they survive,

648
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.599
they're they're bobbing in the water and that sort of thing.

649
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.799
But the deal is is these are enemy combatants. They've

650
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.720
already been declared and you know, this is a war

651
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.319
that Donald Trump has declared. So the rules of engagement

652
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.680
are such that, hey, you got to you got to

653
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.799
take them out? Or is one? Uh one? I love

654
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.559
the Florida Sheriff sheriff out here, he said, we're just

655
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:22.680
making a graveyard dead.

656
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.440
That's nicely. But I have an article about this on

657
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.680
the Daily Signal and the headlines three cheers for the

658
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.599
Pentagon's two step narco boat attack or the one two

659
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.880
punches I've been calling it, and I point out the scenario.

660
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.559
You know what if again you missed them the first time.

661
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.240
Some guys are alive, holding on to the wreckage whatever,

662
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.440
and we send some Navy seals in to rescue them

663
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.319
because we don't want them to drown or get eaten

664
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.079
by sharks. And one of the guys, he doesn't like

665
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.599
gringos very much, and as the Navy seals are coming

666
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.440
to rescue me, pulls out a submachine gun and mows

667
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.559
them down and got three dead Navy seals floating in

668
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.000
the water. You know what will? What will? The left

669
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.440
left and even some unfortunate some Republicans are critical of

670
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.440
this policy. Well, would they say, if we have to

671
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.119
have three funerals for four or five whatever number is

672
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.039
for usgis to get killed trying to rescue these guys.

673
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.039
Since supposedly we can't kill them, we got to rescue

674
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.200
them and bring them home, to bring them to the

675
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.279
US for safety. It's just a crazy, cock eyed nonsense.

676
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.160
And by the way, when Obama was president, he had

677
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a double strikes. He hit all kinds of people, including civilians.

678
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.079
I think the number I saw is I didn't know

679
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.119
this before. Somewhere in the neighborhood. I twenty four twenty

680
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.440
five or so people were killed by drones under Obama

681
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.880
and then under bidening miracle, after the Afghanistan debacle, he

682
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.480
sent in a missile strike and what we're supposed to

683
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.799
be terrorists turned out to be a think of family

684
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.240
having Sunday dinner. And I think, what was that seven

685
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.839
eight nine people killed all of the night exactly. I

686
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.319
didn't hear anybody scream war crimes and call for Joe

687
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.640
Biden and the people at the Pentagon to be arrested

688
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.279
for war crimes. It's, I guess, only wrong if Republicans

689
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.319
do it. If Democrats do it, it's you are open

690
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.640
national security policy. If Republicans do it, of course, it's

691
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.119
it's a war crime. You know, violation of GEEP, the

692
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.159
Convention et cetera, et cetera.

693
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.559
Well, again, the people need to measure deroi. Are you

694
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.360
safer with Trump and the rules of engagement that Pete Heseth,

695
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.840
our Secretary of War, is conducting, or were you safer

696
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.360
under Obama or Biden? And I think that's a I mean,

697
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.559
unless you're really stupid or you're so ideologically fixed that

698
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.039
you can't see reality. Uh, it's clear that when we

699
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.039
have rules of engagement that that are consistent with the

700
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:40.199
you know, the with the exercise of a war effort,

701
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.880
you know, we win. And when you go to war,

702
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.239
it's about winning. It's not playing patty cake.

703
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.119
Well, this is a war. This is not a matter

704
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.599
of some kind of a regatta or a sailing competition.

705
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.960
Right now, these are people in very fast boats come

706
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.679
the United States, not because they're tourists. I want to

707
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.599
go visit Key West. I want to get drugs in

708
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.360
a country against the law, and a lot this stuff

709
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.639
kills people. You get a lot of dead bodies. Cocaine

710
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.599
is one thing. Fentanyl's another. I think the fentanyl deaths

711
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.800
from these kind of efforts are like seventy thousand, seven

712
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.239
zero thousand a year. That's more people killed annually than

713
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.480
usgis were killed during the entire Vietnam War. Think about that, right,

714
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.280
And so Trump and Hegseth are trying to put a

715
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.920
stop to that. And the Democrat's response is, don't do that.

716
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.679
Don't do that, you know, leave these guys alone, and

717
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.440
I guess let the drugs in and keep the American

718
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.559
deaths piling up. You also mentioned rules of engagement. Another

719
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.599
important point here is that people say, oh my god,

720
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.440
it's the viulation of the Geneva Convention. This is terrible. Well, look,

721
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.719
I would totally would agree if, as I explained this

722
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.000
article in Daily Signal, if these were a bombing, if

723
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.239
this had been bombing a US forgive me. And Venezuela

724
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.440
navy vessel with the Venezuelan flag flying and these guys

725
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.400
in uniform, the Geneva Convention applies, especially since Venezuela signed

726
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.679
the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention only adheres to countries,

727
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.079
to state actors who signed the Geneva Geneva Convention. You

728
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.400
don't sign the convention, you can't be protected by it.

729
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.800
And the cartels never signed the convention. They're also not

730
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.159
state actors. They're not in uniform. But Venezuelan soldiers, this

731
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.400
is a private cartel kind of like a mafia crime family.

732
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.239
This would be like saying, get the game. Being up.

733
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.039
Crime family is protected by the Geneva Convention. No they're not.

734
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.880
They're criminals. You arrested me, convict them. Now, these guys

735
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.239
are in the high season and a military action. You

736
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.239
blow up their boat, you kill them, I can miss them.

737
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.239
Me come back and blow them up again. So I've

738
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.480
tried for ten days out to cry about this, and

739
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.920
my eyes are staying very dry for some reason.

740
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.599
Yeah, well, you're just so cold, you know.

741
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.719
I guess it's my cold heart. Yeah, my cold heart

742
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:37.840
closes up my tear ducks.

743
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.519
Right, you're just so cold. And then meanwhile, you know,

744
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.920
shame on you for saving the lives of young men

745
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.519
and women, as you say, the number seventy eighty thousand

746
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.880
a year that are dying just in fentanyl and loane,

747
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.400
not counting all the other stuff that they have been

748
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.599
importing from Venezuela drugs and you know, human trafficking and

749
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.320
everything else that is debilitating the young people the future

750
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:04.960
of America.

751
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.440
Well, you're right about that. One of the things that's

752
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.800
really tragic about fentanyl. You know, if you take cocaine

753
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.840
or heroin and you overdose, that's sad and terrible when

754
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.960
that happens to you. Your family grieves, et cetera. Of

755
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.960
friends are very sad to see this happen. But if

756
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.960
you're doing hard drugs and you know it, you know,

757
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.599
it's kind of sad, but kind of know what you're

758
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.480
getting into. The unfortunately about fentanyl is there people who

759
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.000
take they think it's something for adderalls that can stay

760
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.079
for finals, or they think, hey, my elbow hurts something,

761
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.320
take a little pain pill litterally they know it's a

762
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.119
counterfeit pain pill or counterfeit adderall, counterfeit you know, tranquilizer,

763
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.639
and instead of getting you know, and acing the test

764
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.199
or getting the pain away from your elbow, off of

765
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.639
your elbow, you get a little speck or two of fentanyl.

766
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.679
Guess what, you're dead. You're not going to go in

767
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.800
a casket and have six feet of dirt put on

768
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:49.239
your face.

769
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:50.920
Yeah, you don't have to worry about the test.

770
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.719
Then you don't have to don't have to worry about

771
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.440
the test, but you're probably not going to get through graduation.

772
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.039
So something's really off about fentanyl, which is again people

773
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.880
don't know they're taking it, you know, to take it innocently,

774
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.039
think hey, thinking I'm taking a pharmaceutical drug and it's not.

775
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.599
It's counterfeit, and it's got a little fenanyl in it.

776
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.280
It kills you. That's kind of permanent. So there's something

777
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.280
really really unfair and even more tragic about people who

778
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.119
die from ventanyl than people who die from cocaine or heroin.

779
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.440
But at least they know what they're doing a lot

780
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.360
of people, you're exactly what they're touching, so well, the

781
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:21.360
evil that way.

782
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.159
You see this speaks of how pervasive it is to roy,

783
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.519
that it's that pervasive that it can be you know, counterfeited.

784
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.840
You know, these kids in school or anybody. I mean,

785
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you hear these stories, these heartbreaking stories of these kids

786
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.440
that you know, have suffered an injury on the you know,

787
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athletic field and they think they're taking a thailand all

788
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.119
or something and it happens to be something that's laced

789
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.880
with ventanyl and they're gone, And I mean, it's just

790
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all this to do? And again, you know, the Democrats

871
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have no I mean, this is why we can't entrust

872
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them with our national security, whether it's Joe Biden and

873
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the fiasco in Afghanistan. But I mean, you know, everybody

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looks at that and thinks that it was exclusive to

875
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Joe Biden. This is something that's been consistent and part

876
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of the WOOF and WARF and the mentality of the

877
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Democratic Party, hasn't it?

878
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Well, it has been, and we certainly see it now

879
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more than we've ever seen it before. I mean, used

880
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to have people like Daniel Patrick moynihan and Joe Lieberman

881
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and Sam Nunn, you know, these sort of these so

882
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called hardcore Democrats who maybe spent too much money and

883
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maybe they like too much regulations, whatever, but they were

884
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pretty good on defense. Do you find few or few

885
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.880
of these people in the Democrat Party these days. And

886
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.440
the other thing you see, which is just so staggering

887
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is they just love love, love love love illegal violent, criminal,

888
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.639
illegal aliens. This is the new base of the Democratic

889
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.119
Democrat Party. I'm waiting for some Democrat anywhere to say, yep,

890
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.119
that guy broke in his country. He's raped and kill people.

891
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.719
He's a total savage. Get him out of here. You

892
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:21.880
never hear that. You hear these people saying, get off

893
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.159
of ice, leave the ice alone. Tom Holman should quit,

894
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.639
I should go home. These are you know, fascist Nazi

895
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.719
gas stop oh blah blah blah. Never mind that the

896
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:32.840
people that they're picking up are often robbers, arm robbers,

897
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.639
rapists and killers and sometimes serial killers, deadly drunk drivers,

898
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.519
and there's no I hear nothing for the Democrats saying

899
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.719
get these people out of here. These people are dangerous.

900
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.880
Now let's be nice and people come over and just

901
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.679
want to work whatever. No, it's just a blanket view

902
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:49.760
that illegal aliens have to be left alone, even the

903
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.119
ones with rap sheets and blood, the blood of their

904
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.039
victims on their fingers. It's astonishing. That is an unfortunate

905
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:58.239
development the Democrat party.

906
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.840
I mean, how do how do Democrats subordinate the rights

907
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.239
of the American citizen to the illegal immigrant? How do

908
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:07.920
you get there?

909
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.000
Well, I think easily for the Democrats. They think, hey,

910
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.440
this is our new base. We can't rely on black

911
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.320
folks as much as before. A lot of other people

912
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.039
who voted a Democrat have gotten sick and tired of

913
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.400
their nonsense, and so let's bring in, you know, ten

914
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.840
million people illegally. And the thought is, okay, these people

915
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.960
are Hispanic or from the third world. They're going to

916
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.599
vote for us, and all of a sudden they've got

917
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.320
their new majority to get elected and re elected. And

918
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.400
if some Americans get you know, robbed, raped, or killed

919
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.559
along the way, well that's just collateral damage. That's the

920
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.920
that's those are the wages of power and the price

921
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.400
to pay to control people think. I think they're that cynical.

922
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.199
I think they're that evil, They're that feckless. And that's

923
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.480
one more reason the Democrat Party needs to be destroyed

924
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:50.440
and needs to be retired to the Smithsonian Institution and

925
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.639
turned into an historical artifact, like the Whigs and the

926
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.480
know nothings and the wide Wigs and these other former

927
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.360
parties of the of American history don't exist any more.

928
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.480
And how much has this illegal enterprise brought to you

929
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.199
by the Democratic Party, how much has that contributed to

930
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.239
the unaffordability of where America is today?

931
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.440
Well significantly. I mean it takes a lot of money

932
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.239
to pay for all these freebies we the Democrats have

933
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:22.800
been giving these people. I live in New York City,

934
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:23.960
and thankful, thank you.

935
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.039
It's weak because it's our taxes that they're giving away.

936
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.280
Well that's right, exactly. Well, here in New York it

937
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.960
stopped because the border has been closed, thankfully by Donald J. Trump.

938
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.039
But when when the borders wide open under Joe Biden,

939
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.480
these people are crossing the border, breaking in and within

940
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.280
a couple of days, they'd hop on buses and they'd

941
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.679
be my neighbors here in New York City getting free

942
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.920
hotel rooms, free food, free medical care. Their kids are

943
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.159
getting free education. It was a terrible case here in

944
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.280
New York City of a school for special needs kids,

945
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.960
which I think was kind of modern, and local kids

946
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.400
from New York were here. Well, the local and special

947
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.880
needs kids were booted out of their newish school with

948
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.719
all these special services and facilities. Those American born, black

949
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.760
and Hispanic kids are kicked out, told okay, you guys

950
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.000
go studying this old school from like nineteen oh five,

951
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.280
which apparently was falling to pieces. And then they let

952
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.719
the illegal alien kids into the new, high tech, modern

953
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.039
school for special ed kids, and you know, screw the

954
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.199
American kids, and by the way, screw their parents. Unbelievablely,

955
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:25.639
and this part of the reason the Democrats has been

956
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.320
losing them. It's one thing to say, you know, let's

957
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:28.880
be nice to people who break in our country, but

958
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.880
let's be nice to them, and let's be mean to

959
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.000
American citizens. Let's spend their money, let's take services away

960
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.079
from them, provide them to people who have no right

961
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.360
to be here, who broke into this country, and take

962
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.159
care of their kids better than we take care of

963
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.280
our kids. And this is part of a big part

964
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.440
of the reason the Democrats have been suffering the polls.

965
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.239
And I know they had pretty good night about a

966
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:49.639
month ago, but they certainly suffered in November twenty twenty four,

967
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.119
and let's hope they continue to suffer in twenty twenty six.

968
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.960
Well, the people need to connect the dots here and

969
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.920
open up their eyes to see that the Democrats are

970
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.639
not worthy of their vote if they have any desire to,

971
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.639
I don't know, save America, because they put us on

972
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.400
the brink. And thank God for Donald Trump. Deroy if

973
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.280
we didn't have Donald Trump, I mean Kamala Harris administration.

974
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.840
Right now, all this corruption, all this fraud and everything

975
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.719
that we're just finding out that we knew was there,

976
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.000
but would all be hidden the things that the discovery

977
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.880
of you know that you know that the FBI has

978
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.280
been able to, you know, expose all this stuff would

979
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.519
just go away and it'll just be more of the same,

980
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.480
and you know, and then it's just say goodbye America,

981
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:41.199
hello third world America.

982
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.599
Well, you're right, and as you say, one of the

983
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.559
advantages of having Republicans in charge, as you find out

984
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.679
about all of this craft and corruption. You know, part

985
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.800
of it is, as you say, a lot of Obamacare

986
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.960
money turns out, is just a wash in money paid

987
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.920
to phantom accounts, people who don't exist, people who have

988
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.760
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of medical visits. And I

989
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.559
know some people are sick and have to go often,

990
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.320
but these are people you know, at the doctor all

991
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.360
the time, getting expensive. The doctors are charging or medical

992
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.880
services are charging for performing medical attention that really isn't

993
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.559
performed at anybody because there's no patient there. And then we

994
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.599
found out recently from her Meat Dillon at the Department

995
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.320
of Justice. I think I believe the numbers somewhere in

996
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.199
the two or three hundred thousand, two hundred thousand or so,

997
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.960
the people found on voter rolls across the country who

998
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.559
are either dead, they've moved away, they're no longer at

999
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.800
those locations. They're voting in two places, whatever it is.

1000
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.599
And you know, in a close election, especially for president,

1001
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.920
if you can throw two hundred thousand votes and you

1002
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:45.280
have the right number in Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania,

1003
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.159
guess what in Florida and part of among other places,

1004
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:50.519
all of a sudden, you win the White House, and

1005
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.760
you don't have to cheat from coast to coast. You

1006
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:59.360
basically need to cheat in Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta,

1007
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.079
and and probably Detroit. And if you can get just

1008
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.199
enough additional five thousand votes here, ten thousand and fifteen thousand, there,

1009
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.920
all of a sudden, you win the White House. And

1010
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:10.480
I'm not sure where these two hundred thousand votes are,

1011
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.199
but if they're in the swing states, that can make

1012
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:18.119
the difference between President JD. Vans and President Alexandria Acosso Quartez.

1013
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.400
Right, well, exactly, well, you know that's that's what happened

1014
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.519
in the twenty twenty election, absolutely right, you know, and

1015
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.199
this is why, you know, talking about Venezuela. I think

1016
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.400
Venezuela's key, and I think this is what's freaking the

1017
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.599
Democrats out because there is a lot of intel there

1018
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.679
because keep in mind that all the shenanigans and the

1019
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:42.239
stealing of elections, you know, the headquarters for you know,

1020
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.519
Dominion and Smart Mattic is right there in Venezuela. I mean,

1021
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.519
this was a program that was you know, that was

1022
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:55.800
championed by Maduro for his stolen election. Efforts, and since

1023
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.880
then Deroy seventy other countries, including the United States, have said, hey.

1024
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:01.239
Me too.

1025
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.159
Unbelievable, Yeah, extraordinary, And I agree with you completely. I

1026
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.639
think the twenty election was stolen. I think the Democrats

1027
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:11.000
stole it. You add secretaries of state and judges and

1028
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.760
mayors other people changing the election rules, and the only

1029
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.840
people can change election rules or state legislatures. So even

1030
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.679
if you don't believe the stories about bags full of

1031
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:20.760
ballots shown up before in the morning, which I think

1032
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.280
actually did happen, but even putting that stuff aside, you

1033
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.239
had secretaries of state and other people other than state

1034
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.400
legislatures changing the election rules in some cases up until

1035
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:33.239
election eve, literally the day before the election. They were

1036
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.480
not allowed to do that. That is vote fraud. That

1037
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.920
is how the Democrats stole the election in twenty twenty.

1038
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.719
And this business is talking about the voting machines as well.

1039
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:46.679
That's one more extremely problematic detail has to be ironed

1040
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.840
before ironed out before the twenty twenty or twenty twenty

1041
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:50.400
six midterm elections.

1042
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.400
Well, I thought it was quite quite rich that this

1043
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.079
young man who walks as chihuahua in the neighborhood that

1044
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.599
they decided, oh, this was the guy that put those

1045
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:06.760
bombs at you know, RNC and the DNC headquarters on

1046
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.760
January the fifth. Supposedly, he said the reason that he

1047
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.920
was upset was because he believed the election was stolen.

1048
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.599
Yes, and it was really funny they described him as

1049
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.599
some sort of a Trump supporter. I'm not sure that's

1050
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.599
entirely clear. And also Jake Tapper got a lot of

1051
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.239
trouble because he described him as a white man and

1052
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.639
they showed his picture and he's not white. I mean,

1053
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.199
I've never seen a white person that ten's a black guy.

1054
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.039
But once you have a black guy in there, then

1055
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.159
it screws up the whole narrative that it's all a

1056
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:42.679
mega maga white supremacist aryan nation KKK Nazi, you know,

1057
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.800
neo Nazi program. He got a black guy in the

1058
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.599
middle of this, and all of a sudden their narrative

1059
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.719
falls apart and they don't know what to say. So

1060
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.119
this is a kind of humor. See that happen even

1061
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.360
a point of again, Jake Tapple describing this guy as

1062
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.039
as a white man when he was anything.

1063
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.519
But you know, it's amazing what the mainstream media, how

1064
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.400
they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. You think

1065
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.079
that they would, you know, call time out, go out,

1066
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.400
have a sabbatical, get them all together in the room,

1067
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.840
and say, hey, guys, we've got to regain somehow and

1068
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.559
repent and maybe regain some moral clarity here, because we're

1069
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.400
really looking pretty stupid. Yeah.

1070
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:18.920
Well, you know, I did a piece also for the

1071
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.000
Daily Signal. I guess it was last week or two

1072
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.679
weeks ago, and I need the suggestion Democrats before they

1073
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.440
make an announcement, they should do five minutes of homework

1074
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:29.199
and try to figure out, you know, if what they're

1075
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.760
about to run out and say makes any sense. And

1076
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:33.360
what they do is they just open their mouths and

1077
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.079
start screaming, and then one person has some very simple,

1078
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.199
basic question and the entire premise collapses. So, for example,

1079
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.400
you had what was it, two senators or four members

1080
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.400
of the US House come out with this video about oh,

1081
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.039
you're a soldier, you don't have to obey illegal orders,

1082
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.840
blah blah blah. And they went on the air and

1083
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.440
somebody said, Okay, it's Donald J. Trump involved in any

1084
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.920
illegal military orders right now? Well, no, we don't think so, Okay,

1085
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.719
So what's the whole point of h we don't know,

1086
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.519
and they look like total idiots. I mean, you think

1087
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:05.719
they'd all sit in the room and go, okay, we're

1088
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.760
gonna do this video. And when somebody says, can you

1089
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.840
name an illegal order? Say okay, mention this, this and this,

1090
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:13.920
you know these two or three bullet points or this

1091
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.519
one bullet point or any bullet point. It turns out

1092
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:18.679
they have nothing there. And when people get up and

1093
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.400
ask them it's a very simple question, which should be

1094
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.400
very predictable, name illegal order Donald J. Trump is issued,

1095
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:29.000
they go uh uh. They just look like total drooling morons.

1096
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.039
I don't know why press secretaries or chiefs of staff

1097
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.639
or somebody don't say their bosses, the senators and congressmen,

1098
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.760
sir or ma'am. You know, we're going to prepare you

1099
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.320
for this. And by the way, if you don't have

1100
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.119
that illegal order, maybe you shouldn't do that video. It's

1101
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.559
just a story of these peoples rush out. I wouldn't

1102
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.639
say half cocked, they're like ten percent cocked, and then

1103
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.280
they get busted that look like buffoons.

1104
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.880
Well this is what happens when your conversation is restricted

1105
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.039
to the silo that you live in, right, Yeah.

1106
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.400
I mean, when everybody there is saying, you know, Trump

1107
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.760
is hitler, and they'll agree with that, and nobody challenges

1108
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.719
it as well, is he really hitler? And is he

1109
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.119
doing anything hitler like, you know, if you think he's hitler,

1110
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.960
and then you know, obviously he's doing illegal things, obviously

1111
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.800
issuing illegal orders, and nobody in the room stops and says, okay,

1112
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:11.280
can we name one? Can we put it on a

1113
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.760
chalkboard and you know, memorize the two or three facts

1114
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.440
about this to use as talking points on the air.

1115
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:18.880
They just they're not going through that basic exercise, which

1116
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.760
is anybody's working on a campaign with a candidate, or

1117
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.320
anybody's worked as a staffer on Capitol Hill or elsewhere,

1118
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.000
you prepare your boss for these basic questions, either for

1119
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.679
formal interviews in studio, in news studios or when people

1120
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:33.239
just track you on the street or walking down the

1121
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.480
hallway in the various congressional office buildings. It seems like

1122
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.280
the press secretaries and chiefs of staff and other staffers

1123
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.679
are not not giving these their bosses, you know, one

1124
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.800
or two minutes of preparation for any of this stuff.

1125
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:48.199
It's just doing homework. When they look like like like

1126
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.239
total morons when they go out to public this way.

1127
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.840
Well, it's clear, JEROI, they're not interested. He's the Manhattan

1128
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.440
based Fox News contributor contributing editor of National Review Online.

1129
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.079
To Roy Murdoch, thank you to right.

1130
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:00.840
Thanks very much. I'll tuck you soon again.

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live. Hey, good morning.

1150
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.159
Six minutes after the top of the hour, Bill Martinez here.

1151
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.000
Great to have you with us. Also, we've got Michael

1152
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.280
pack As a director and producer of the Last six

1153
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.079
hundred Meters joining us. He's the president of Manifold Productions

1154
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.239
and Palladium Pitchers. Michael, welcome the show. Good to have

1155
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:28.800
you with us.

1156
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:29.840
Thank you.

1157
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:30.599
Good to be with you.

1158
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:30.920
Bill.

1159
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.159
Well, I want to talk about something you recently addressed,

1160
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.920
and that is the Department of Defense sending out a

1161
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:42.280
warning to Senator Mark Kelly so that he could be

1162
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.159
recalled to face navy charges.

1163
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.119
What say you, Well, first of all, I want to

1164
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.599
remind your viewers and listeners that they can still get

1165
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the last six hundred meters on it.

1166
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.400
No, I'm glad you brought that up, because I was

1167
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:55.880
going to ask you about that, but I want to

1168
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.519
get him. But let's go ahead and talk about that

1169
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.320
because some people have because of course it was featured.

1170
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.679
It was a big part of Veterans Day and the

1171
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:05.880
whole holiday.

1172
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.480
So absolutely so It's still available on Amazon and will

1173
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:14.440
be for the foreseeable future. Well, look, I'm really concerned

1174
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.519
about that ad there, Ran. I mean, I think it

1175
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was horrible. I mean it's one of those things. I mean, technically,

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of course, in the military they don't have to obey

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illegal orders, but I think there's some standard. It has

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to be sort of obviously illegal. I mean, it's meant

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to if you're like a sergeant and your lieutenant tells

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you to shoot a prisoner, you're supposed to decline. But

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you're not supposed to decide the constitutionality of questions like

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bombing boats in Venezuela or anything like that. I mean,

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how can you? And that's sort of the implication bill.

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It reminds me a little bit like in my neighborhood

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here in Chevy Chase, a very little neighborhood there. Those

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signs were so popular during the pandemic. You know, I

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trust science, Love is love, and those are all tautologies,

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and this is a tautology too. Obviously soldias don'tenough to

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obey illegal orders, but those tautologies implied something else. When

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they said science is science, they meant that that whatever

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doctor FACTI said they would do right. And when these

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people say don't obey illegal orders, they mean question the

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orders that Donald Trump says and make up your own

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mind whether you want to follow them. That's sort of

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the hidden subtext. And I think that's what angers Donald

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Trump and Pete Hegsaff and right, Lisa.

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And I think it angers most Americans that voted for

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Donald Trump because they've been trying to recap him since

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day one. I mean, this has been going on for years,

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and we're kind of fed up with this. I mean,

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we've got a country to save here, get back on track,

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and all they can do is, you know, put a

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stick in his in his spoke, so to speak, and

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trip him up here and of course right now, I mean,

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if that wasn't bad enough, here we're talking a president

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who already had an attempted assassination on him. The rhetoric

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that they have been dishing out that he's a fascist,

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he's Hitler, and this, I mean, this is very dangerous.

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And so this is another one of those arrows in

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the quiver that are targeted for Donald Trump. And I

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don't even think that for a moment that they're considering

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what this would do to our country. I mean, here

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we are month of November. We remember sixty two years

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ago with the assassination of JFK and what it did

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to this country. Could you imagine an assassination of Donald

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Trump right now, what this would do to America?

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I cannot imagine, or if the two earlier assassination attempts

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had been successful. Yes, I mean, it is very horrible.

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I agree, it's very destabilizing. In my film The Last

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six hundred Meters, lots of these marines got orders they

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didn't like and they thought were wrong. But and you

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could see it in the film as they expressed their

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anger at being told, in particular, not to finish the

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fight in the jaff in Fallujah, but they did what

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they were told. I mean, that idea where they can

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start questioning these things is really it's it's dangerous at

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a very deep level. And it's and it's and it's

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disconcerting to the you know, it puts these servicemen in

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a terrible, terrible.

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Position exactly, you know, And watching that in the movie

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The Last six hundred Meters, it was reminiscent of Vietnam.

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I'm a Vietnam era vet I wasn't in country. I

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was in public relations stationed at Camp Pendleton, California, so

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a lot of information went through and it was very frustrating,

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especially in interviewing the Marines when they came back, you know,

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from being in country, because there was a lot of

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civilian involvement and and it was that same type of

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conflict because what they would do, Michael, they would they

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would go and they would conquer a hill, and then

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they would recede, and then the next day the commander

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would tell him, you know, officials would tell him. The

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brass would say, Hey, we got to go conquer that

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hill again. Oh wait a minute, we just lost to

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half a dozen of our buddies who are dead in

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body bags because we just didn't. Now we've got to

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go back and do it again. And this was a

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01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.280
cyclic type of thing that happened in Vietnam. And that's

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a whole nother argument altogether with civilians being involved here.

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So you can't blame the military for having that content,

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not that you are for having that kind of consciousness,

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because you go to war to win, you don't go

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to play paddy cake.

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Absolutely, it was really frustrating for all the Marines. In

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01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.239
my film in the very, very similar way. But they

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didn't ever decide that they couldn't. They would just not

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obey orders. I mean, that's not Look, we have a

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civilian control of the military, and civilians have been screwing

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01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.960
up the military. Your military has been giving good advice

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and the has been ignoring it for hundreds of years.

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They'll keep doing that again. The only solution to that

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problem would be a military junto where the military takes

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over the government and it's run by the military, And

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that's the solution in many Latin American countries, and it

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doesn't work out so well. We believe in civilian control

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of the military. It would be nice if they did it,

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you know, if they were at least you know, if

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they did it in a way that would win wars.

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But in the meantime, it's not up to the military

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to decide individuals on the front lines, and it puts

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them in a worse position. I mean, if where they're

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actually asked to make those kinds of decisions on whether

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things are right or wrong, or constitutional or ethical.

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You know, you can't think when you're on the battlefield.

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It's life or death, and everything is measured in seconds.

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Michael indeed, and so for these you know, these are

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elected officials, and Mark Kelly especially, you know, former military himself,

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01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.719
he should know better. Shame on him for doing this.

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I am, you know, as a as a marine myself.

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I'm I'm just grievely disgusted with him, and I believe

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that every one of them at least should be censured.

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I know that Trump was very emotive about it and

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01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:18.880
uh and called it out for what it is. It

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is seditious. Uh And and to put that in the minds,

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that question, and to do it in such a nebulous way.

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They didn't come in and say, hey, President Trump ordered this,

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we deem this to be an unlawful order. No, they

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just send it out there, you know, kind of as

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a just as a you know, a bomb to be

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detonated in the minds of these young soldiers.

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And they were unable to name any illegal order that

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Donald Trump is given, right, I mean, it's not these

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illegal order things tend to be at a lower level.

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If the President does something illegal, the ways to challenge

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it are very clear. You know, you can you can

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you know, the Congress can challenge it, the Supreme the

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law courts challenge it if it's unconstitutional, and those and

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his actions, you know, are being challenged, and we'll see

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what the Supreme Court says. So the implication is really

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not to want to go through the normal challenge to

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question a presidential order. I mean, you know, in practice,

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I mean, people have things like the Lieutenant Kelly example,

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talking about Vietnam and mind although he had no order,

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apparently he did it on his own. But yeah, if

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you're going to murder civilians and you're told by your captain,

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that's one thing. Presidential decisions that are matters of national policy.

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You know.

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The next level down are the generals, and they have

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many ways to challenge it and question it. I mean,

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for example, they can announce publicly and then resign their

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commissions in protest. I mean, they have lots of ways.

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So it really confuses and conflates lots of things there.

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And I think you're right, it's hard to know what

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the intention was. But I I'm also very disappointed in

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Mark Kelly. I mean, you would think that such a

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decorated marine veteran would know better Heavy Navy. It was shocking.

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of the outright now. Michael Pack the director and producer

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01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.960
of the Last six hundred Meters. The documentary available on Amazon,

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01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.520
and it continues to be so unless we tell you different, right.

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01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:08.279
Tell different and our other We've done fifteen films. They're

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01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.119
all available on one of our two websites, Manifold Productions

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01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:16.159
dot com or pladi in Pictures dot com. And we

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01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.359
have one other one on military themes. We did a

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01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:21.840
biography of Admiral Ricover, who's a very different kind of hero,

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01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:26.520
a Navy hero and an engineer hero rather than a

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01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.239
combat veteran hero. But important if you want to do

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01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:31.640
something like win the Cold War.

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01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.840
Yeah, without a doubt. Six hundred meters won the highest

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01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.920
honors at the GI Film Festival in DC and the

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01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.720
Hudson Institute Film Festival in New York City. As a

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01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.920
quick summary, Michael, I want to give you a little

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01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.279
bit more time for people that have heard about six

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01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:49.560
hundred meters but not really sure what it's all about.

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01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.960
Well, the last six hundred meters, the battles of Najaffan Fallujah.

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01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.159
Attempt to tell the stories of those two battles, which

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01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:59.880
were the biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam,

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01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:03.000
and we want to tell it from the point of

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01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.279
view of the people who fought there, sort of ground truth.

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01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.359
It's called the last six hundred meters because the Special

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01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:12.079
Forces snipers says, I don't make foreign policy. I delivered

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01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.199
the last six hundred meters of it, meaning what he

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01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:16.960
could see through his sniperscope. And that's what we did.

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01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:19.119
We didn't go into the question of should we have

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01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:21.319
been in Iraq, whether the weapons of mass destruction or

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01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:24.119
any of those questions. We looked at it from the

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01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:26.119
point of view of the people on the ground, from

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01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.680
corporals and sergeants up to sort of one star generals

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01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:31.520
who are in the field. And I think it's important

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01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:36.000
to understand what those veterans went through, just like the

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01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.399
veterans of the Vietnam War were I think ignored and

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01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:45.039
even mistreated for many years. People are clouded, you know,

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01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.159
they're mixed feelings or negative feelings about the wars in

1443
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.840
Iraq and Afghanistan. I think have detracted from appreciation of

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01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.359
the heroism and valor of the young men and women

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01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:55.079
who fought there.

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01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:59.560
Yeah, that followed orders, you know, and many in Vietnam

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01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.159
were there because of the draft. They didn't want to

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01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:06.319
be there, and and of course the way it was

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01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.239
reported on you know, back home, the mainstream media, how

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01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.560
they all contributed to this thing. I mean, it really

1451
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.199
is you know sometimes you know, the idea of freedom

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01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.239
of the press. I get this, our constitution, I love it.

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01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:27.680
I you know, I went into the military to defend

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01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:32.199
the constitution and our right for freedom of the press

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01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.239
and free speech. But you know, there it doesn't go

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01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:41.520
without responsibility, and I think that they contributed to some

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01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.960
of the damage and why many Vietnam vets came back

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01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.600
to the country with their heads hanging low. That is

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01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:49.359
very true.

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01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:54.520
The media and the elites, American elites, you know, really

1461
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:59.600
mischaracterized the war and mischaracterized what the American servicemen and

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01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:02.960
women doing over there. Absolutely and it's the same in

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01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.920
Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, they're not they don't get

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01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:09.640
there's only a focus on things like Abu Grab and

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01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:15.319
Haditha and PTSD. But these people were there representing America

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01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.880
and doing what we told them to do and putting

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01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.199
their lives on the line, and some of them, you know,

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01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.880
giving the ultimate sacrifice and many many more wounded, and

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01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.079
you can see it in our film. And we need

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01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.079
to understand and appreciate their service. It's not a matter

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01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:33.199
of whether you think presidents were right or wrong and

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01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:35.319
sending them over there and directing them. It's a matter

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01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:36.680
of what they did on the ground.

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01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:40.560
Well, I believe that what our leaders did can be

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01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:46.439
adjudicated in a different documentary indeed, right, But this is

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01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.079
what makes the last six hundred meters so special because

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01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.760
it's from the ground floor level. It's from the soldier's

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01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.479
perspective and their point of view. And when you consider

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01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.600
Michael that probably I think it's about one percent. Some

1480
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:04.119
have said less than one percent of citizens in America,

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01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.720
you know, enter the military. Much less than a fraction

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01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.520
of them are actually in a combat zone, indeed, you know,

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01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.760
so that's very very unique it's right.

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01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.439
We need to appreciate them, those that are in the

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01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:20.840
combat zone. And I'm my family is one of the

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01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:24.039
ones that didn't have a traditional military service. So it

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01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:26.720
was eye opening for me to meet talk and understand

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01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.199
these people, and I let them tell their story. They

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01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:31.880
look right at the camera, they talk in the first

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01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.760
person of what they did. We show the footage of

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01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:38.159
those same people in combat doing the things they're talking

1492
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:41.359
about on camera, and I think these are I mean,

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01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.640
on top of everything else, these are powerful, exciting, compelling stories.

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01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:48.560
You know, people have been fascinated by war stories from

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01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:53.319
the Iliad to Shakespeare to today, and I think they're

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01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:55.880
I mean it's not like it's I feel it's an

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01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.199
exciting film in addition to telling an important story.

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01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.640
Well, the other thing that comes out in this as well, Michael,

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01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:06.279
is that these young men and women who enter the military,

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01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.640
they're not a bunch of bozos. I mean, they're well trained.

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01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.640
I mean, they are so singularly focused. This is why

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01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:20.880
our military has to be treated with such a high

1503
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.680
level of respect that something like especially Mark Kelly and

1504
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:31.439
people in elected office should be should have a more

1505
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:34.199
heightened awareness. It's one thing to come from you know,

1506
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:38.680
some casual citizen that doesn't really understand, but when you

1507
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:41.520
are an elected official, and especially like I said with

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01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.399
Senator Kelly, who raised his hand took the oath of

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01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.560
office that he lives under to this day. Because anybody

1510
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.359
that takes the oath of office in the military's till

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01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.800
it's till the day you die, that oath is in

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01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:58.359
force to protect and defend our constitution against all enemies,

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01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.720
foreign and domestic. And now what they've done is these

1514
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:04.960
you know, some have referred to them as the seditious six.

1515
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:10.119
They have become enemies of our own country. They are

1516
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:16.199
domestic enemies by virtue of being irresponsible with their right

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01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:17.079
of free speech.

1518
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.319
It's very shocking. I mean it used to be said,

1519
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.279
and I think it's still true that you know, this

1520
01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:26.279
is even now. A historically small percentage of the people

1521
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:30.359
in the Senate and Congress have served in the military.

1522
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.279
I mean during the period where there was a draft,

1523
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:33.880
it was much higher in a lot of World War

1524
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.159
Two veterans. So you'd think that these veterans, these six

1525
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:40.439
people who are veterans, they would provide the other view.

1526
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.600
So it's pretty shocking that they come out this way.

1527
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.760
And it seems pretty nakedly political because they have nothing.

1528
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.520
Oh you back it up, they have no they can't

1529
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:52.439
cite any illegal orders from Donald Trump. You know, they

1530
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.399
can't really specify what they want from what they've done.

1531
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:57.680
I mean it was a very On the other hand,

1532
01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.520
as a filmmaker, I do think it was a pretty

1533
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:04.880
well made, powerful little you know, ad a spot. You know,

1534
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:08.960
it was very strong, it was very compelling. It just

1535
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:13.039
was wrong, right, yes.

1536
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:18.239
Yeah, production value is good. Message wrong, yeah, exactly. I

1537
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.119
get that. You know. It kind of reminded me a

1538
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:24.039
little bit of the impeachment of Donald Trump with Lieutenant

1539
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:28.000
Colonel Vindaman, if you remember him. And to me it

1540
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.159
was I said all along when I heard him speak,

1541
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.279
I go, this is a human resource issue. You know,

1542
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.640
this is something that you know you don't agree with

1543
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:39.119
your boss. So you go to HR and you say, hey,

1544
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.960
I got a problem. I don't agree with the boss. Now,

1545
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:43.520
it's one thing you know your boss at a local level.

1546
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:45.279
It's another thing if you don't agree with the President

1547
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:48.000
of the United States, who is the commander in chief.

1548
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:51.359
He is your really big boss. So you better have

1549
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:54.159
your ducts in a row. And he sounded to me

1550
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:57.039
at the end of the day, just so petty and

1551
01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:03.840
and irrational. But that's the nature, unfortunately, of political bias

1552
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.720
and animus that that has become so often integrated and

1553
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:14.279
accepted in our culture, and particularly at this level. So

1554
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:18.560
I mean, there should be a higher level, a level

1555
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:20.159
of ethics and behavior.

1556
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:22.640
I think you're right, and I think that kind of

1557
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:25.760
thing does underpin Donald Trump's attitude towards it all. I mean,

1558
01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.600
I too was shocked by that by all those people

1559
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:32.520
testifying against the president. I mean, you expect loyalty from

1560
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:34.680
the people that work for you, you know, they should,

1561
01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.640
you know that. You know, there was a big tradition

1562
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.119
of the people who work for the president, you know,

1563
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.800
taking their complaints and not talking about them, at least

1564
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:46.239
not for a while. It was pretty shocking that all

1565
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.479
these people were ready to trash the a sitting president,

1566
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.000
you know. And I think that sense from Donald Trump

1567
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.560
of betrayal that he that he felt. I mean, I

1568
01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.279
was in the first Trump administration, so I remember this

1569
01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:02.760
rather well. Well, yeah, that sense of betrayal. Now he

1570
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.720
feels it again. I think it fuels his anger, the betrayals,

1571
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:11.319
the attacks on him, the assassination attempts, but also the

1572
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.159
personal betrayal by people who are, in this case, supposed

1573
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:16.760
to be defending the military. People were supposed to be

1574
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.880
defending the constitution. People he doesn't expect turning on him makes,

1575
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:24.439
you know, fuels his anger. You know, he's had whatever

1576
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.479
it is, ten years of that. That's sort of a lot.

1577
01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:32.159
And then on top of that, Michael, you got what

1578
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:35.079
over ninety percent of that which is reported on him

1579
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.199
in the mainstream media is purposely negative ninety percent. Give

1580
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:39.680
me a break.

1581
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:46.159
It's really huge. I mean, it's really incredible. I do

1582
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.279
a lot of things on public television. I listen to

1583
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:52.159
a lot of public radio. You know, it's only one side.

1584
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:52.960
It's been a.

1585
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:54.880
Years since they really go out of their way to

1586
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.720
interview people that may support or like President Trump. The

1587
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:03.920
most you get is sort of Republican with Trump derangement syndrome.

1588
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:07.359
Right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I don't they don't. You know,

1589
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:10.960
there are conservatives. They know how to present themselves in

1590
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.640
such a way that they're not so enamored about Donald Trump.

1591
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.560
I mean, they look at it objectively, and it's refreshing

1592
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:20.000
to hear them. But unfortunately their voices are limited. But

1593
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:24.319
they're important to hear because we need to have that objectivity.

1594
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.479
We need to have that kind of input into the discourse,

1595
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:27.800
don't we.

1596
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:33.000
Absolutely. I think that this dominance of the left and

1597
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:35.479
so much of the media has been a problem. It

1598
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:39.199
would be it's dominance from any one side is a

1599
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:42.319
problem anyway. I see this in the documentary film business.

1600
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.640
There's a huge number of documentaries. There's an explosion of

1601
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:50.239
documentaries in the last ten years. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, they

1602
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:54.000
say that like thirty percent of their product is nonfiction. Nonfiction.

1603
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:59.079
You know, documentary is a miniseries and it's all from

1604
01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.079
one point of view. It's all from the left. I

1605
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:03.039
think a lot of it is well made, a lot

1606
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:05.239
of them are made by friends hours on the left,

1607
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:08.359
but the country is not well served to hearing one

1608
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:14.079
side of the story. And it's true across genres in

1609
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:18.279
the media, you know, in the news, in print, everywhere.

1610
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:22.079
Yeah, it's just where we are at this point in time. Unfortunately.

1611
01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:25.039
But you know, as they say, this too shall pass,

1612
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:29.399
and I can't. Indeed, Michael Pack their director and producer

1613
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:31.800
of the Last Six hundred Meters, the documentary is still

1614
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:35.520
available at Amazon check it out. He is the president

1615
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.920
of Manifold Productions and Palladium Pictures. Michael, thank you so

1616
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:39.800
much for being with us.

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01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.439
Take care pleasure to be with you. Thank you Bill.

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joining us in just a moment, because we're talking about

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the Library of Congress Veterans History Project, and it's commemorating

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twenty five years this year. This national effort was created

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by Congress back in two thousand to collect, preserve, and

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make accessible the first hand remembrances of US veterans from

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World War One through more recent conflicts and peacemaking peacekeeping missions,

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I should say, and this year the project is marking

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a major milestone and encouraging the public to help continue

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its mission of preserving veterans stories for future generations. As

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I mentioned, Monica Mahindra is joining us. She is the

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director of the Veterans History Project. Monica, welcome, Good to

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have you with.

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Us, Thanks so much, glad to be here.

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Well. I love this idea. I love what you're doing

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in terms of documenting and being able to tell these stories.

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01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:21.000
Of course, you know, to preserve World War One and

1699
01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:24.079
World War Two. Of course, all the World War One

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01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:29.000
veterans are gone World War Two or diminishing daily. But

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01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:33.159
to be able to have those stories documented like this,

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01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:36.720
this is just a stellar effort. And as a marine,

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01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:38.960
I want to I want to thank you personally on

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01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:44.039
behalf of all the other military people and UH and

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01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:45.439
their families for doing this.

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Bill.

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First, I have to say thank you for your service.

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I appreciate you taking the opportunity to highlight this effort.

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It's just your kind of story that we are trying

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01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.199
to lift and preserve and make available for the future.

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01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.000
I hope you'll consider joining our effort as well.

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01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:10.439
Yeah, I mean it really captured me, you know, because

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I think you know, you know, my father was a

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01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:15.479
medic in World War Two. He served in the European

1715
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:18.600
Theater with General Patten, and then three of his sons

1716
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:22.680
me included and my two older brothers were Vietnam era vets.

1717
01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:26.239
Although two of my brothers were in country, I stayed Stateside.

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01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.960
I would have been the Private Ryan of the Martinez family.

1719
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:32.239
So you know, you can only have two. I guess

1720
01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:35.479
you can't go three anymore since that infamous movie of

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01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:39.399
Private Ryan and that great history there. But regardless, in

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01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.239
our family has a rich history, and this is something

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01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:45.119
that I would love to get involved with and get

1724
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:48.479
my you know, my one brother, my oldest brother, who

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01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.279
was a career Air Force passed away two years ago.

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01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:57.159
So there's two of the remaining sons of my father

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01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:59.840
that are still here to you know, share his story

1728
01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:02.880
and our personal stories in terms of our service to

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01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:06.399
the country. But you know, to that end, I want

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01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:10.479
you to help our audience understand that this Veterans History

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01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.840
Project right now, why it is focusing on volunteers right now.

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01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:19.960
This year marks the twenty fifth anniversary of the Veterans'

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01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:24.279
History Project. A quarter century ago, it was dedicated through

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01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:28.000
unanimous consent of Congress, both the House and the Senate,

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01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:34.199
to preserving the personal stories of US military veterans. And

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01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:37.079
that was those who served, as you mentioned, from World

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01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:41.800
War One through the more recent conflicts now and also

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01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.920
in peacekeeping missions. And it's to touch on what you

1739
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.239
were saying about World War One and World War Two

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01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:53.720
back even twenty five years ago. With this focus on

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01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:58.279
volunteers gathering the first person remembrances of the veterans in

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01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:01.880
their lives, there was still an understanding that that would

1743
01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:05.439
also need to account for those who had passed. And

1744
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.720
so even today, just a couple of weeks ago, we

1745
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:13.119
received an extraordinary collection of a World War One service member.

1746
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:17.760
It was his journal captured in in tiny writing on

1747
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:24.479
a pack of cigarette papers. So this idea of gathering

1748
01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:28.439
these stories while the veterans are with us is absolutely important.

1749
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:32.680
But there's still an opportunity when service members veterans have

1750
01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:37.760
passed for us to gather the documentary expression of their

1751
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:43.880
first person experience through photographs, original letters, original photographs, diaries,

1752
01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:46.800
journals that come in all forms, you know, on the

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01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:51.239
back of food labels, on cigarette records. And I'd also

1754
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:55.680
just like to say the other thing about the scope

1755
01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:59.319
for your listeners and for you. We are gathering as

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01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:02.760
a nation. It's been happening for twenty five years. Across

1757
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.680
the country. People are doing exactly what you're talking about doing,

1758
01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:12.319
interviewing the veterans in their family. And veterans don't always

1759
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.960
wear the hatch that said I'm a veteran, and veterans

1760
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.880
can be and here I am veterans plaining for you.

1761
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:24.119
But the veterans can be people who say, oh no,

1762
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.279
my story is not important. My brother's story is important.

1763
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:30.640
My brother served in X y or Z combat role.

1764
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.239
But I'm here to tell you that the Veterans History

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01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:37.760
Project at the Library of Congress was intended by Congress

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01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:42.800
to share the full spectrum of US military service, which

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01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:46.800
includes in country, it includes stateside, it includes logistics, it

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01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:50.560
includes combat, it includes chaplains. It is to tell the

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01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:55.800
full spectrum of American service, of American sacrifice, and how

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01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.199
we are all connected to each other and that collective history.

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01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.399
Monica, when you first got involved with this project, did

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01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:04.680
you realize what you were getting yourself involved in.

1773
01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:10.680
No, In fact, I did not. I spent my whole

1774
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:12.880
year crying every day.

1775
01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:13.399
Yeah.

1776
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:18.439
Well, and the yeah, there's probably lots of reasons to cry.

1777
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:22.760
I get that, because you know, this is just incredible, because,

1778
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:26.079
as you just outlined here, you get stories within a

1779
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:30.960
story within a story, and these are all personal. These

1780
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:36.279
are you know, these are issues that are sot I

1781
01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:40.520
guess so tender because they're the basis of our freedom.

1782
01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:45.119
They're the basis of why young kids to this day

1783
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.560
will still raise their hand and volunteer to serve this

1784
01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:49.640
great country of ours.

1785
01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:57.199
It's not just young kids. When veterans agree, we talk

1786
01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:01.600
about the volunteerism of the project, and we mean when

1787
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:05.079
we talk about that, we mean that spirit of individuals

1788
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:08.600
across the country working with the veterans in their lives

1789
01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:11.359
to gather the story. But the truth is the veterans

1790
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:14.520
are once again raising their right hand. And so many

1791
01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:17.560
veterans tell me, they tell me they never put down

1792
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:19.239
their writ hands.

1793
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:26.399
Exactly that oath that we take an enlistment never expires.

1794
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:32.520
And so to get that extra mile to say, I,

1795
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:38.000
as a veteran, am going to share my story, unmediated, raw,

1796
01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:43.199
without agenda, my personal narrative, not an after action report,

1797
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.159
not something dry and for the history of books, but

1798
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:49.760
truly my perspective and what it is I'm here to share,

1799
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:54.319
not for not for anything that's going to advance me

1800
01:33:54.359 --> 01:34:00.279
as an individual, but to advance understanding, to advance connectivity,

1801
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:08.800
to advance meaning, and that link between each conflict and

1802
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:14.000
between individuals and our collective history. That's why veterans do it.

1803
01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:17.720
It is another patriotic act. If they're not raising their

1804
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.800
hand again, they're sort of raising it a little higher,

1805
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:21.439
if you will.

1806
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:26.199
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely, I think after everything is said

1807
01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:29.319
and done, Even though veterans as a rule are reticent,

1808
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:31.920
you know, people will come up and say thank you

1809
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:33.920
for your service, and I go, that's very kind of you.

1810
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:38.720
But you know, we don't require anything more than that,

1811
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:42.319
and we're not even requiring that. You know, it is

1812
01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:45.119
an honor to serve our country. We're proud of our service,

1813
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:50.479
and it's a personal it's kind of a personal issue,

1814
01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:52.920
I think in many ways. And so what you're doing

1815
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:56.520
here is bringing it out so other people can kind

1816
01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:00.600
of appreciate why patriotism is so rich in our country

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01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.000
and why it's so important. We've only got about a

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01:35:03.039 --> 01:35:05.000
minute and a half left here, Monica, and I just

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want you to be able to explain, you know, what

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else is happening in the twenty fifth anniversary and where

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can people go for more information.

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Please join us in this twenty fifth anniversary year. Help

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us get to one hundred and twenty five thousand collections

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01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:25.079
by the end of this twenty fifth year. You do

1825
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.880
that by going to the Library of Congress website. That's

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01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:32.880
loc for Library of Congress dot gov, goov for government

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01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:37.319
forward slash vets, the e t S for Veterans LC

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dot gov forward slash vets. There you'll find inspiration in

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the existing one hundred and twenty eight thousand plus collections,

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01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:51.560
but also guidance, sample questions, a tip sheet for how

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helping preserve this legacy of our nation's history together at

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the Library of Congress.

1836
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Well, Monica Mahindra, thank you so much. Tell everybody involved

1837
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.399
with the project, we just so appreciate what you're doing

1838
01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.119
on behalf of veterans and what you're doing on behalf

1839
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of the country because this again is a very proud

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01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:25.159
moment for the entirety of the country. So it goes

1841
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beyond the vets and they're family members and everything else,

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01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:32.039
because it is the basis of why freedom still rings

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in America. Monica Mahindra, she's the director of Veterans History Project.

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Thank you, Monica, Take care.

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Thanks Bill.

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Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with

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Jeremy mac Co, President of Numbers US. Say hey, Jeremy,

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the weather outside is frightful.

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It looks like huh, it's nice and brisk. It's a

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beautiful December day here in Washington, d C.

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Well, see, everybody always will walks taller, it seems when

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it gets cold like that.

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Right, You got to you gotta have a stiff back

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and stiff up, stiff upper lip.

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Well, that's there. It is. Well, let's talk about uh,

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you know, what's what's on your mind and the topic

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at hand. Are we talking Harry Reid here?

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Well, so you know, about thirty years ago, the late

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Democrat Harry Reid stood on the House floor and gave

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an impassioned speech about a policy that he said, no

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sane country would would implement. And yet he said, here

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we are the United States of America, one of only

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two developed nations in the world who automatically give citizenship

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01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:44.159
to children whose parents are here illegally or here on

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a tourist visa. This is this is again Democrat Harry Reid, right.

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I mean, he backed off of that position over time.

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But the big news last week is that the Supreme

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Court has agreed to hear a case to determine whether

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or not President Trump or any president and reverse that

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policy numbers USA. We've been arguing for decades that this

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is a misapplication of the Fourteenth Amendment, that it's basically

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done by statute, and that the Congress and the President

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could simply stop doing it. Other people say no, no, no,

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you can't do it without a constitutional amendment.

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Well, the fact is the Supreme Court has never ruled

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on it.

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It did rule on a case over one hundred years

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ago that involved a child born to legal immigrants to

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immigrants who were in the country legally, but never really

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ruled on this. So we think we have a really

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01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:36.520
good chance on the merits of this case. But the

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big news is it's taken decades to get to this point.

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We may finally have a resolution on this issue.

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When you think of all that we're dealing with regarding

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immigration as a result of Joe Biden's open border policy

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and majorcas is incompetence as a borders are, you know,

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you've got to really review this whole situation of immigration

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to say, and of course, then on top of that,

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let's let's talk about what the Somalis have been doing

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up in Minnesota. You know, when you have people coming

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01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:17.760
into the country that really have very little interest in

1971
01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:21.960
assimilating and coming in to take advantage and to pillage

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01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:26.000
and steal, you know, you've got to be able to

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vet it and protect the interest the national security of

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the citizens of America, and the government clearly has failed

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to do so. And birthright citizenship is only part of

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01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:42.560
the problem, but it's it's of the same garment, maybe

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a different part of the garment, but still that same

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mindset that has broken down and really has broken you know,

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our immigration system.

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Well, unlike all things, the numbers really matter.

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When you have higher flows, birthright citizenship becomes an even

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01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:00.720
bigger problem.

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Under a let's say a normal year, you.

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Have five hundred thousand people crossing the border illegally, another

1985
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:09.960
five hundred thousand people overstaying their visus. During the border

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01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:13.039
administer of the Biden administration, you know, you had, you had,

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you had millions of people acrossing the border, entering the

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country illegally, every single one of them if they have

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01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.159
a child born in the United States and child is

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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:26.199
automatically given US citizenship. That makes it very difficult to

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enforce the laws after the fact when you are trying

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01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:32.000
to deport people who are here illegally when they have

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US citizen children.

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Yeah, and then they have people around the world.

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Sorry, Bill, we got finish it incentive to people around

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the world to particularly now have a global birth tourism industry,

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which exactly is that. That right there just tells you

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that the whole system is half whack when people are

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01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:53.880
paying money to birth tourism agencies to come to the

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01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:56.760
United States, go to Disneyland and then have a baby

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01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:58.800
and have a US citizen child who then can one

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01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:02.079
day sponsor you for a card. It makes a mockery

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of the entire system.

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Yeah, it really does. I mean, we're getting work three

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ways of Sunday. What I wanted to interject there was that,

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you know, meanwhile, with these immigrants who are released in

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01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.319
the country and then they set a court date eight

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01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:20.199
years forward, well what do you think of you know,

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01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:27.279
child producing males and women in eight years of time,

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how many kids can they produce? You know, two to three.

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01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:34.640
So now you got two to three additional immigrants now

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01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:37.800
in the country, their citizens or their parents are not

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01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:41.159
And then the Democrats, you know, go, oh, you can't

2014
01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:43.880
break up these families. Well, you know, I love what

2015
01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:46.520
John Kennedy said, Well, we're not interested in breaking up

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01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:49.840
the families. We're going to send the whole family back right.

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01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:52.880
Right, And you know, and it's just goes to the

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01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:56.359
basic question of immigration policy, which is is it is

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01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:59.000
it a privilege or is it a right? The late

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01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:02.399
Barbara Jordan, another Democrat colleague if Perry Reads, at one

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01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:05.880
point said that the immigration is a privilege, it's not

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01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.000
a right, and we get to choose who comes here.

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01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.359
Birthright citizenship again makes a mockery of that system because,

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01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:15.199
to your point, you have an asylum seeker who is

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01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:17.840
here on a bogus asylum claim, which most of them are.

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01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:20.279
Asylum system needs to be reformed as well.

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01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:22.680
But the backlog is so long that they could be

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here years before they see their court date.

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01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.199
They will ultimately be rejected. But what do you do

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in the meantime.

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01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:30.359
They've had three kids and they're all US citizens, and

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01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:32.760
then they get lawyers saying you can't. You can't send

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01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:36.199
these kids home. They're US citizens. So it's another thing

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that exacerbates all of the other problems in the system

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and frankly makes it harder to come up with any

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01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:45.399
kind of system where you can make sense of it

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because you've got so many people here with these mixed

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status families, etc.

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Right, And as you say, with the asylum seekers, the

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01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:55.880
government doing what it does best, and that is to

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01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:59.000
kick things down the road and just ignore the problem.

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01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:04.880
There's no review because they came here because their home

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01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:09.319
country was in danger. Okay, things settled down, Do they

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01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:12.199
go back no, they keep them here.

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01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:14.560
Right, yeah, they stay here.

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01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:18.039
I mean again, you have a system where the asylum

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01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:19.239
system is full of holes.

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01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:20.720
It can be easily exploited.

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01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:23.880
The Trump administration has locked that down right now, but

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01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.119
none of that is permanent because Congress hasn't acted. Same

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01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:30.239
thing with birthright citizenship. The executive branch has acted. The

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01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:32.840
judicial branch is now going to act. Congress needs to

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01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:35.439
act to actually make it last. But you get people

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01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.159
coming in on these asylum claims. They get let into

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01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:40.720
the country, they're not going to ultimately win, but they're

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01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:42.800
here for years, they have US citizen.

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01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:44.840
Children, and then ultimately when they are denied.

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01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:47.479
They continue to work illegally because we have no verification

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01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:50.079
system in the workplace. These are all things that really

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01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:52.720
Congress needs to solve. We applaud the executive branch. We

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01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:55.960
aplawed the Trump administration for taking action. For President Trump

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01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:58.760
fulfilled the campaign promise by making this a day one

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01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:02.000
executive orders blocked in the courts, But now it's going

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01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:03.760
to work its way up to the Supreme Court, and

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01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:06.439
we might have a ruling by next summer, which would

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01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:10.439
be again just a tremendous, huge, decades long battle.

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01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:11.600
If we end up prevailing.

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01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:16.119
Why isn't this bipartisan? I know that may sound like

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01:48:16.119 --> 01:48:19.319
a silly question, but I think you got you know,

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01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:23.079
citizens here in our country that are going, why are

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01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:25.800
we fighting over this? I mean, this just this defies

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01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:26.560
common sense.

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01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:30.520
Yeah, two things, it's a really great question. First of all,

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it's it is bipartisan in the sense of if you

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01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:37.560
look at voter attitudes, it's there's far more bipartisanship than

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01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:40.399
you would see on the national news or in Washington, DC.

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01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:43.239
But you're right, it's very much a partisan issue in

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01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:44.239
the halls of Congress.

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01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:45.800
It didn't used to be that way.

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01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.760
We started to segment by quoting Harry Reid, who was

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01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.520
you know, nobody is going to accuse of being a

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01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:54.840
naga or right wing conservative. I just mentioned Barbara Jordan,

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01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:58.439
She's a liberal icon. This didn't used to be this way.

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01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:03.239
Our immigration politics had been come more polarized, and ultimately

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01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:07.840
we have to continue to reach out across these barriers

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01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:09.840
and talk to people who disagree with us, because we

2087
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.159
may find that we're fighting more because of the color

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01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:15.640
of our shirts as opposed to the actual policy.

2089
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:16.399
Whereas if you can.

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01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:19.319
Get down to the nitty gritty policy. Most people would say, yeah,

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01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:22.439
it doesn't make it. If you're if you're a US

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01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:25.760
citizen and you adopt a child, that child isn't automatically

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01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:27.840
a US citizen. They have to go through a process.

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01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:30.640
But if you are, if you are here illegally and

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01:49:30.680 --> 01:49:33.960
you have a child, that child is automatically a US citizen.

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01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:36.920
I don't think it matters what letter is next to

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01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.039
your name in the voting booth. To understand that, to

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01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:43.479
basically agree that that isn't a system that makes any sense.

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01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:45.840
Well, you see. I think again, what needs to be

2100
01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:51.720
clearly articulated is a immigration system, which we had one before,

2101
01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:55.159
We had policy before, and then it got broken up

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01:49:55.640 --> 01:49:59.960
and bifurcated in order to accommodate one party over another.

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01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:05.000
It became a political issue as opposed to, in a

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01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:07.920
sense kind of a righteous issue that was good for

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01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:11.039
the immigrant, good for the citizens, that there was proper

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01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:14.760
vetting that people came here, even on an asylum basis,

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01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:18.640
they came here understanding that they were guests of the country.

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01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:20.880
You know that they didn't have I mean, they were

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going to be respected as guests, but you weren't going

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01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:26.079
to have some kind of right in order to come

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in and pillage the treasury.

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01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:30.159
That's right.

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01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.359
I mean, let's reiterate this just I think your listeners

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01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:35.520
will will probably be largely on the same page, although

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01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:38.079
maybe they'll fine us too moderate for their taste. But

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01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:42.920
most Americans like immigration. They like immigrants. We want an

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01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:45.600
immigration system that we can believe in. But that means

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you've got to that the people you choose. You have

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to choose, You have to let the American people choose.

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You have to manage it in numbers that are sustainable,

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they don't overwhelm the system. And you have to crack

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down on rule breakers. You need, you need the right rules,

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and then you need to enforce the that's it's basic credibility.

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We're trying to restore trust in the immigration system. We're

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not trying to destroy immigration. We're trying to save it

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because right now you have too many Americans who very

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justifiably do not trust the system at all. And that

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is because it is full of holes. It is largely

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rigged against them and their interests, their economic interests, the

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interests of preserving a certain quality of life in their

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communities and their natural environment.

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And they want a better system and it's really up

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to Congress to act.

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That's what we're trying to get people to do, is

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to continue to make that voice heard right here across

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the street from me in Capitol Hill.

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Well, they want immigration to be a net positive, not

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a net negative. And the drain it's putting on our

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budget and we're thirty eight trillion dollars in counting in debt,

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and whenever there's some kind of address to the waste

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and fraud, all hell breaks loose. It's like, wait a minute,

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you know, let's get back to what this is all about.

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We're here to preserve this great American idea and the

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people who are working hard to do that, not the

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people that come here and just want to drain and

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suck off the government teat right.

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Yeah, it's how many in which ones we using The

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numbers should be a lot lower. And then we think

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that there are you know, criteria that you can set

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so that you're making sure that you're bringing in people

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who are.

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Not just it's not just for the sake of the immigrants.

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Who're happy for the immigrants who come here, we want

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to welcome them, but we want to be choosing people

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based on what's in the national interests.

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Right exactly, and are they of the mindset to where

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they can assimilate. I mean, like, if you're bringing people

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from a third world country that is used to killing

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people in the street and stealing and doing all these

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you know, crimes, and you bring them into our country,

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what do you think you think you're going to take

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Somalia out of the people just by bringing them here

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without vetting them.

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Well, everything, for me, it all comes back to numbers.

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Is a big difference between taking eighty thousand people and

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eight thousand people.

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Give so much more ability.

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To go through the paperwork, to go through the personnel,

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to look through people and see if they really do

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meet that criteria if you manage the numbers.

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At a lower level.

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And that's ultimately where we've gotten off track. Where we

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are quadruple the average number of immigrants that we take

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in over the middle of the twentieth century versus today

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quadruple over four hundred percent increase. And almost anywhere you

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look in the immigration system when you find problems, whether

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it's problems of vetting or problems of fraud or abuse,

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it all goes back to it's just overwhelmed. We're just oh, yeah, exactly,

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and we're not able to to manage the system properly.

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We get the numbers down. I do believe that a

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lot of the other stuff will work.

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Out, Jeremy, because you look at the numbers. Is there

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a an allowance? You know, a goal? I mean, what

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is the capacity of our immigration system in terms of

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handling immigrants? Do we have any idea?

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It's a terrific question and probably deserves its its own

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segments take more than fifteen minutes.

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Well, I'll tell you what the next time. We're gonna

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let our audience ponder on that and give you. We'll

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give you a week to think about it and pull

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up all the evidence and bring the receipts, and you

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and I will break it down.

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Okay, that sounds that sounds fun. Bill.

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Let's okay that look forward to it. Jeremy Beck He

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is the co president of Numbers USA. Thank you, Jeremy.

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Merry Christmas to you, Mary, Christmas to you.

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Bill.

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