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The Bill Martinez Show 09 04 26

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The Bill Martinez Show 09 04 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning. Good to have you with us. Bill

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Martinez here, and Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is going to be

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joining us in just a few moments. His brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, The Mystery of the Dark Angel

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and the Future of the World. So get ready. Put

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on your helmets and your seatbelts because we're in for

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an exciting ride. Rabbi, good to have you with us.

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Always great to be with you, Bill.

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Well, just a little bit of background. If you don't mind,

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I'm going to brag on you for just a moment.

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Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has caused worldwide stir with the release

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of his explosive first book, The Harbinger, which became an

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instant New York Times bestseller, brought him to national and

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international prominence. Every one of his books since then has

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become a New York Times bestseller, including The Mystery of

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the Shemitah, The Book of Mysteries, The Paradigm, The Oracle,

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Harbinger II, The Return of the Gods, Josiah Manifesto, Dragon's Prophecy,

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and The Avatar. Each one opens up deep or long-hidden

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mysteries that are unfolding and manifesting in our time. He

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has spoken at the United Nations on Capitol Hill, to

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members of Congress, to millions around the world. And suffice

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it to say, when the rabbi speaks, people listen. Jonathan,

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good to have you with us.

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Always.

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It's always a blessing, Bill. And when you speak, people listen, too.

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But I'll tell you, Jonathan, it's just, you know, every

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time you come on and with every revelation, I mean.

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you have no idea what an answer to prayer you've

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become in my life because when I came out of

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Bible college and felt like God was calling me back

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behind the microphone because I'd been behind the microphone as

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a juvenile playing records and taking dedications and doing that

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sort of thing as a radio personality in Los Angeles.

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But after Bible college, God says, no, I want you

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behind the microphone again. And I want you to focus

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on a biblical worldview and pursuit of the truth. And

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I said, okay, where am I going to find that?

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Because I had already been given information that many of

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the senior pastors in the churches today, I think at

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that time, according to George Barna, was down to about

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only 56% held to a biblical worldview. And that was, what,

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about 20 years ago. And it's been declining since. So

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when you came into my life, it was like, ha,

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I mean, You were an answer to prayer because what

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I was also looking for, and I said, God, how

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about revelation? I want to feel like I'm talking to

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somebody who's been in the throne room with you and

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has gotten direct revelation that the people need to hear

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for a time such as this. And here comes Rabbi

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Jonathan Cahn.

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Oh, well, thank you, Bill. You know, I'm really blessed.

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I'm blessed to hear, you know, what you're saying. If

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it can be of an encouragement, thank you. I'm very honored.

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Well, God has used you for this time. And, you know, again,

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starting with the Harbinger and what you did with the Harbinger,

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how you revealed mysteries and unfolded in Isaiah 9. I mean,

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it was just phenomenal what you did. And it was

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no wonder why that book became an instant New York

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Times bestseller. And you've been on a roll ever since.

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And it's just like, you know, God is continuing to

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speak to you, through you, to reveal to us things

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that are so critical for these, as even Billy Graham

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would say, are the last of the last days.

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Yeah. Well, you know, there's no end to God. There's

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no end to his revelation. We just have to be open.

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You know, I'm honored. I'm the first one, Bill, to

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be blown away. You know, I'm the first one to say, wow, Lord.

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And on one hand, I'm not surprised because he never disappoints.

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There's always more. But on the other hand, I'm still

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blown away. Lord, you're amazing.

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Right.

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Well, give us the background to The Altar of Pergamon.

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Yeah, this is, you know, this is the 11th book, Bill,

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and I think I've been on with you with every book,

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you know.

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Yes, exactly, yes.

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And this is a colossal, colossal, gigantic mystery that's so big,

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it's literally altered the history of the world, not once,

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but again and again. Could there be this mystery and

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an object? I mean, it almost sounds like Indiana Jones

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or it sounds like Lord of the Rings or Da

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Vinci Code, but it's real. And could there be this

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object linked to behind everything from the rise of Adolf Hitler,

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World War I, World War II? The rise of Marxism, communism,

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the Cold War, the one world order we're seeing, globalization,

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you know, what we're seeing happening in America, the apostasy

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in the West. Even the Internet is linked to it.

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Could there be even an American leader who is linked

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to this thing called the throne of Satan here? And

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the answer is there is. And in fact, this mystery,

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I mean, it's so big that it has literally impacted

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everybody who's watching right now. You, your life has been

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impacted by this, you know, and I'll just tell you

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one thing to, before we get into like, you know, the, the,

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the nuts, the actual mystery, um, is I was led

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to write it as I did the Harbinger with a

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story to make it easy to just like, you don't

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even realize it and you're getting, you know, but what,

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but what's revealed is real. The story part, um, um,

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doing it that not only to get the revelation out,

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but also that people can give it to their unsaved people,

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loved ones and people in their life. Because people will say, oh, wow, cool.

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It doesn't matter where they're at. Like, oh, wow, is

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it cool? It's like Indiana Jones, like Da Vinci. And

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it's going to lead to salvation. So that's my hope

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as well, to get in getting this mystery out, not

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only for God's people, but they can get it to

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get their people saved.

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Well, you know, when you said that, you know, that

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you did wrap it in a story, because as I

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was reading this, that's what I thought of Harbinger. you know,

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it was of that, of that kind of same genre

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and that writing style that's very comfortable and the way it's,

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the way you bring it and it adds life to

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it as opposed to just saying, well, here's, let me

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just give you the nuts and bolts, you.

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Know, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. And, and I think, you know, I think that,

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you know, I think actually this, I don't know how

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far you got in it. I'm really glad that you started.

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Oh, no.

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But, but it's, but the thing is that, I think

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there's more story in this than I've ever had. And also,

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but at the same time, there's more revelation because when

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we looked at this, I think there's like at least

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200 mysteries that are going to be unfolded in the

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Altar of Pergamon. And for those who don't know, the subtitle,

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just to give you a little taste of it, it's

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the mystery of the dark angel and the future of

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the world. And so this is unveiling it, but it's

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through this man who's a skeptic, who comes across this ancient,

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this page of this cryptic, book. And he started, he

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has to go across the world to journey, to unlock

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it with someone else, with a woman who's actually a believer.

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And they, you know, and there's danger and there's all

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that mystery and every, you know, and, and, but, but

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it's ultimately leading the, not only it's opening the mystery,

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it's leading the reader to salvation if they don't know,

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if they don't know the Lord. Right.

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Exactly.

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So the altar of Pergamon, it's actual reveal. What does

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it reveal?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's that, and it begins with, in Isaiah, he

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quotes Satan saying, I will exalt my throne. I'll lift

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up my throne. I'll be like God. Well, in Revelation,

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it's the other place that talks about the throne of Satan.

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And it says in Pergamon, it says to the church

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of Pergamon, it says where the throne of Satan is.

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Now that's pretty strong. I mean, There's a place on

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earth with the throne of Satan. So what's that about? Well,

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I just came back from Pergamon. I've never been there

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in my life. and they have a high place of Pergamon,

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and on the high place was called the Great Altar.

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And this was almost like the epitome of the pagan world.

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It was an altar to the king of the gods, Zeus,

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but that's, you know, Satan's behind all that. And it

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was really embodied. It was the biggest altar the Greeks

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ever built on earth. It's gigantic. And the thing is,

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throne of Satan... The gospel comes into the world. People

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start abandoning the pagan world. They abandon the throne. The

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throne of Satan or the altar of Pergamon falls into ruins.

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And it's buried for almost 2,000 years. But what would

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happen if someone would come there and start uncovering the

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throne of Satan? And the thing is, it happened. It happened.

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And when it happened, what happens is that things start

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happening and changing in the world.

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Well, stay right there. We've got more from Jonathan Cahn

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after this.

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You know, we're talking with Jonathan Cahn, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn,

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his new book, The Altar of Pergamon, which is soon

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to be released as of this record date. You may

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hear this and realize that it's already been released because

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the official release date is September.

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The 1st, right?

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Yeah, yeah. And even if people are hearing this before,

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you can go online and pre-order it because right now

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it's going to be coming out any second, you know.

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So yes, it's coming out basically. So yeah. And, and

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the thing is that, that, so the guy who, who

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stumbles on the altar doesn't even know what it, it

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doesn't even know it's the throne of Satan. And what

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he does is he takes two pieces and he sends

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them back to his homeland and his homeland is going

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to be joined to the throne of Satan. What's the homeland?

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It's Germany. So Germany is going to have, is going

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to be linked to them. I think about this. I mean,

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Think ahead, you know, Germany. Okay. Now, now the thing

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is that people don't know Germany didn't even exist. Germany

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only came into the world as a nation in 1871,

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1871 is the year that the throne of Satan came

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back into the world. So, so at the same moment, the,

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all the, the, the altar comes back, Germany comes into

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the world and Germany is going to be used as, as,

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as we're going to see.

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Right.

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Well, exactly. And as we, as we recall, Certainly how in,

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in two world wars, right?

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I mean this, this, the, and more than that, I mean, yes. And, and,

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and not just Germany, Berlin, where they're, where the throne

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of Satan is going to be moved to. So, I mean,

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and that it's behind everything. I mean, it's, it's, we're

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going to see that. Yes. So, so what happens it now,

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let me say something else at the same time that

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the altar that, that, that, that first pieces go back

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agent 71. Another German is digging in the same region,

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and he's searching for the lost city of Troy. His

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name was Heinrich Schliemann. And he comes across an ancient sign.

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He comes across about 2,000 versions of this ancient sign.

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And this ancient sign becomes a sensation. And in Germany particularly,

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what sign was it? It was the swastika. The swastika

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came into the world in this mass form at the

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same moment that the throne of Satan came back into

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the world and Germany came into the world. It's all

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like a setup for what's going to happen.

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So when you say that this sign, and this was

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a literal sign that was dug up?

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Almost 2,000 swastikas in stone, in engravings. Yeah, the swastika

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is an ancient sign. It's a pagan sign, ancient, but

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it's unearthed as the altar is unearthed, as the throne

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of Satan is.

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What was the origination? I mean, you're talking a sign now,

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fast forward 2,000 years, and all of a sudden now

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you've got hundreds of swastikas that come out of this digging.

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What was the origination of the swastika?

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The swastika is an ancient symbol. I mean, similar, listen,

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similar is the cross. I mean, you know, people were

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making crosses because this is basics. But swastika was an

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ancient pagan or occultic symbol that you find in India.

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But you also find it in pagan lands. You find

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it among the Greeks. You find it among... the Nordic

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or Germanic people. So it's this ancient pagan sign that

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becomes the sign of demonic, of satanic work.

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I was going to say, was there demonic connection to it?

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Well, it's pagan, number one, and occultic. Yeah.

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So then that would, because it's anti-God.

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Yeah, totally. And, I mean, some people make note that

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the swastika is a broken cross. It's a cross that's

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been broken on everything. Well, the thing is that now

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that's in 1871. A few years later, Germany comes to

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Pergamon to actually dig up the throne of Satan and

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take it.

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Now, did they understand it as the throne of Satan

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at that time?

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I don't think so. I don't think most of them

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were reading their Bible. I think they took it simply. Well,

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first of all, when the guy, his name was Karl Humann,

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sends the pieces to Germany, the first pieces, He doesn't

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even know what it is. Soon they realize it's the

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altar of Pergamon, because the ancient world speaks about that altar.

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But they still are not getting that this is the

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throne of Satan. You know, this is linked to Satan and,

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and revelation. And so if they knew that, would they

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have done this? I don't know, but they, but they

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dig it up and they, you know, they put it,

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it takes a few years to dig it up. And

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this is again, like Indiana Jones, they put the pieces

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in crates, they put them on animals. Then they go,

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they put them onto ships and the ships sail across

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the sea. They go to Germany, they put them on trains,

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they go to Berlin. So now they've moved. They all

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think about it. I mean, the throne of Satan has

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moved from Pergamon. to Berlin, Germany. And now, the thing is,

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that's 1878 when they start digging it up. 1878, 79

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is when the first pieces come to Germany. So the

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amazing thing is something else comes to Germany. You know,

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one people, the devil hates all of God's people, but

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the devil has a special hatred for the Jewish people

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because he knows. God called them into being to fulfill

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his purposes, bring the Bible, bring Messiah, bring the kingdom

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which will come. So the enemy is going to try

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to destroy them, of course. I mean, it makes perfect sense.

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And so something happens in Germany when the throne of

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Satan gets to Germany. And what happens, the same moment,

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this is 1878, 1879, the same moment it comes to Germany,

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a word comes into the world and the word is anti-Semitism.

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First time. It didn't exist before. The anti-Semitism has always

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been hatred, but anti-Semitism is a modern manifestation, a movement.

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And it's born in the land. When the altar comes

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to Germany, it's born in Germany, and it's born at

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the exact moment. And so it spreads throughout Germany. And

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something else, you were alluding to this, but when the

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altar came to Germany, there was an occult explosion or

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revival that spreads across Germany. People don't realize that. It

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was actually setting the stage for Hitler. And speaking of which,

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let me... I'll put it this way. It's kind of

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like a nation was possessed. I mean, when you look

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at what happened to Germany, and you say, how did

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they do that? Why did they go crazy over this?

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It's like a possession of a nation.

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Because what was Germany like before this, though? They were

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very intellectual. They were prosperous.

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It was.

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You know, here they were, they were really leaders in

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so many ways, weren't they Rabbi?

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Yeah. And listen, the reformation came from Germany, right? So you,

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you have the revive, the restoring of the Bible, the

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focus on the Bible. Uh, but now they're at a

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point 19th century, uh, they're turning, you know, and you're,

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they're opening the door because when you turn from the gospel,

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you open the door. And by the way, you know,

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it also came from Germany and this is after the reformation,

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higher criticism. which was to criticize the Bible and try

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to say the Bible is not the word of God.

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So they opened the door, you know, and, and so,

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and now they have the throne of Satan and, you know,

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so it's, it's, so it's like they put the ones

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who possess the throne of Satan get possessed by it. Yeah.

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And in 1889, something happens. Well, just before they start deciding,

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Germany says, we're going to put, we're going to piece

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together the throne, the altar, we're going to put it together.

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Because it came in pieces, came in thousands of pieces.

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So kind of in secret, they start piecing it together.

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And so for the first time in 2,000 years, the altar,

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the throne of Satan, appears back in the world, 1889.

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At the same moment, something else appears in the world.

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A child is born, and he's given the name Adolf Hitler.

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Hitler comes into the world with the throne of Satan.

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I mean, you can't make this up. And his whole

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life is going to be joined to the mystery of

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the throne of Satan from birth to death. I mean,

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the whole thing. So everything's being put, set in motion.

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So here they are. And again, Pergamon is in Turkey, right?

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It's modern-day Turkey. So it moves to Germany, Berlin, and.

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It's amazing because this is the thing that we see

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in every kind of movement of God. There's always a

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counter movement, isn't there?

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Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a great point.

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Yeah.

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And for every counter movement, God does a redemption movement.

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Right.

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So, yeah. Yeah. You know, the enemy uses the things

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of God also to try to turn them away from

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their purpose, you know. And the, and God takes the

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things that the enemy uses and he turns up for good.

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I mean, so you got that, but yes, there is.

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And so you, so yeah, Germany was used to bring

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the word to the world, to the reformation. And so

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it's going to be used to try to destroy the

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people of the word, which is the Jewish people, you know?

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So, yeah.

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And so what Germany does is they said they're going

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to build a house for the altar. It's kind of

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like every altar, you know, an altar had a temple. Well,

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they're going to build a massive museum, which is just

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pretty much, it's named after the altar. And it starts

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rising in the 1920s, okay? At the same, they're going

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to reveal it to the world, they're going to open

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it up to the world. Well, at the same moment,

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something else starts rising up, is Adolf Hitler and the

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Nazis in the 1920s.

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This is Bill Martinez. We're live and we're talking with

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Jonathan Cahn, his brand new book, The Altar of Pergamon.

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We're talking with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, his brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, which right now, even as we're

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talking and doing this interview, we're pre-recording it. The book

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is available now in pre-order. It releases fully on September

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the 1st. And it's the mystery of the dark angel,

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the future of the world. So, Rabbi, go on and

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continue here.

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Yeah, so the thing is that at that, you know,

513
00:28:35.990 --> 00:28:39.660
what happens is that, so in 1928, the Nazis have

514
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a setback. They win only 2% of the vote. Okay,

515
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.940
that's okay. It looks like they're gone. But in 1930,

516
00:28:46.940 --> 00:28:49.420
the altar is revealed to the world. They open up

517
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.730
that museum. They reveal it. They pieced it totally together

518
00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:56.009
for the world. And at that moment, this is autumn

519
00:28:56.269 --> 00:29:01.470
of 1930, at that moment, Hitler suddenly is catapulted He

520
00:29:01.539 --> 00:29:05.099
is catapulted from the 2%. Now they're the number two

521
00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:08.220
party in Germany. And then they're number one. And then

522
00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:10.269
he takes over. So with the altar. And you know

523
00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:12.529
the day that they opened up the altar to the world?

524
00:29:12.869 --> 00:29:15.089
You know what the day was? It was Yom Kippur,

525
00:29:15.150 --> 00:29:18.859
the holiest day in the Bible. Which is, it's like

526
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.440
the enemy takes the things of God. And Yom Kippur

527
00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:24.039
is about the altar of God and it's about salvation.

528
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.819
And so instead now it's the altar of Satan, which

529
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.559
is not going to save the Jewish people. It's going

530
00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:30.809
to be, it's a warning. It's going to go to

531
00:29:30.849 --> 00:29:33.069
destroying them. So, yeah.

532
00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:36.910
So how much awareness, again, is this is developing and

533
00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:39.490
they're piecing it together. I mean, we know after everything

534
00:29:39.509 --> 00:29:44.079
was all said and done uh germany was uh in

535
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:46.740
a sense possessed only about 10 percent of germany was

536
00:29:46.779 --> 00:29:51.309
possessed by uh by the nazis and they controlled 10

537
00:29:51.309 --> 00:29:54.930
percent covered you know control 90 percent right is that fair.

538
00:29:55.809 --> 00:29:57.430
It may be, now I don't need, I have to

539
00:29:57.450 --> 00:29:58.950
look at the things, but it may be something like

540
00:29:58.950 --> 00:30:01.269
10% may have been actually members of the Nazi.

541
00:30:01.470 --> 00:30:02.190
Right, exactly.

542
00:30:03.410 --> 00:30:06.250
But people, yeah, but Germany is, but when you look

543
00:30:06.269 --> 00:30:08.829
at those crowds, I mean, look at the crowds of Germans.

544
00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:11.769
They were, I'm not saying everyone, there were those who resisted,

545
00:30:11.789 --> 00:30:15.750
but they were, you know, a remnant. But most were

546
00:30:15.769 --> 00:30:17.630
caught up. Most were caught up in it.

547
00:30:18.410 --> 00:30:22.039
Well, and that's, so as this is developing, now here

548
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.369
we're in the early 1930s, And now you have the rebuilt,

549
00:30:26.710 --> 00:30:32.509
the coming together of the throne of Satan. Did they understand, Jonathan,

550
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did they understand what they had done, what they were

551
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:35.839
doing here?

552
00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:38.500
I don't think so because, I mean, maybe some did,

553
00:30:38.539 --> 00:30:41.359
but I don't think so because, remember, Germany is now

554
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.619
turning away from God in a big way. You know,

555
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.039
it's turning to a pagan movement, which are the Nazis,

556
00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:48.539
you know. And the Nazis, you know, we know they

557
00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:51.880
hated the Jews, but they also hated the church. They

558
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:55.650
couldn't say it as publicly, but Hitler wanted to destroy Christianity.

559
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And it was a pagan movement. So they weren't really

560
00:30:58.809 --> 00:31:01.710
reading their Bibles to say that if they did, they

561
00:31:01.730 --> 00:31:03.410
would say, wait a minute, wait a minute. You know,

562
00:31:03.450 --> 00:31:06.819
this is the center of Pergamon, throne of Satan. Now it's, okay,

563
00:31:06.859 --> 00:31:09.099
now it's Berlin. Now, by the way, here's another thing

564
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.960
that happened. Another German guy goes to Turkey where the

565
00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:16.880
altar had been and the foundation is still there. And

566
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.789
instead of, what he brings back from Turkey is he

567
00:31:19.829 --> 00:31:23.710
brings back an occultic revelation and he comes back to

568
00:31:23.750 --> 00:31:27.079
bring a cultic revelation to Germany. He starts an organization,

569
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:32.460
an occult society called the Thule Society. This occult society,

570
00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:35.640
the Thule Society, decides to start a little party. That

571
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:39.299
little party becomes the Nazi Party. It was born of

572
00:31:39.339 --> 00:31:42.700
the occult. Born of an occult society. So that's all there.

573
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.700
So now Hitler takes over. 1933, he becomes chancellor. Takes over.

574
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.279
He commissioned... Go ahead.

575
00:31:51.019 --> 00:31:53.859
No, my thought was, as this is coming out, I mean,

576
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:59.269
we already have, what, in 1848, you've got Darwinism coming

577
00:31:59.309 --> 00:32:03.970
in the scene, too, which exacerbated the anti-God movement and

578
00:32:04.029 --> 00:32:08.660
which dovetailed, ended up dovetailing, and Adolf Hitler, I was told,

579
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.619
supported Darwinism.

580
00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:18.849
Oh, the idea of the master race, meaning master race

581
00:32:18.990 --> 00:32:21.230
and the survival of the fittest. We're going to destroy

582
00:32:21.269 --> 00:32:24.180
the weak. I mean, yeah, it was very Darwinian. Yeah,

583
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.559
and by the way, 1848 is also the year of revolutions,

584
00:32:26.619 --> 00:32:29.420
socialist revolutions, which is another thing we're going to see

585
00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:32.539
as linked to the altar. is Marxism, and we're having

586
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.650
a revival of socialism, and we're having a revival of anti-Semitism,

587
00:32:35.690 --> 00:32:37.369
and all these things are linked to the throne of

588
00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:41.210
Satan and the altar. So yes, all these things open

589
00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:43.309
the door, and they open the door for him. Yes,

590
00:32:43.390 --> 00:32:46.119
it's not in a vacuum. So Hitler, when he comes

591
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.480
to power, he commissions his architect, a guy named Albert Speer,

592
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.319
to build him this massive podium, a colossal where he

593
00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:59.809
could speak to the masses. When you see Hitler speaking to,

594
00:32:59.910 --> 00:33:02.430
it looks like it's a million people, it's Nuremberg. That's

595
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:04.690
where they have the rallies. And that's where he's going

596
00:33:04.710 --> 00:33:07.269
to be standing on this massive thing. Well, the guy

597
00:33:07.329 --> 00:33:12.269
builds it for him. And the guy, Albert Speer, I

598
00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:15.839
found in his writings, he admits he built that podium

599
00:33:15.859 --> 00:33:19.759
for Hitler massive. It was a reproduction of the altar

600
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:25.250
of Pergamon. So Hitler is standing. When you see Hitler,

601
00:33:25.829 --> 00:33:30.650
he's standing on the throne of Satan, and he's invoking destruction.

602
00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:34.460
That's the will of Satan. Now let me go even deeper,

603
00:33:34.700 --> 00:33:35.299
if it's okay.

604
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.230
No, please. I mean, this is mind-blowing, because here you are,

605
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.380
and you're thinking, this happened all, you know, 100 years ago,

606
00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:48.769
and you are revealing this mystery and saying, here it is.

607
00:33:48.869 --> 00:33:53.640
I mean, you got the altar of Pergamon, Satan's throne,

608
00:33:54.140 --> 00:34:00.390
and now here's Adolf Hitler standing, standing right there on

609
00:34:00.410 --> 00:34:01.549
the throne of Satan.

610
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:05.029
Yeah, and the one who was born with the altar.

611
00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.109
He was born with the throne of Satan coming into

612
00:34:07.130 --> 00:34:11.750
the world. Now he's standing on this massive, colossal reproduction.

613
00:34:12.090 --> 00:34:17.630
And so now here's another mystery. The altar of Pergamon

614
00:34:17.690 --> 00:34:19.409
was not just an altar, it was an altar of

615
00:34:19.590 --> 00:34:22.389
burnt offerings. Burnt, burnt.

616
00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:22.889
Okay.

617
00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:25.789
So now in the language of the Greeks who built

618
00:34:25.809 --> 00:34:27.809
the altar, and they didn't call it the altar of

619
00:34:27.829 --> 00:34:30.010
burnt offerings, the way you say it in Greek is

620
00:34:30.050 --> 00:34:33.650
the word for burnt is kaustos, and the word for

621
00:34:33.730 --> 00:34:38.710
completely burnt is holos. It becomes the word holocaust.

622
00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:39.969
Holocaust, yes.

623
00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:43.889
The altar was the altar of the holocaust from the beginning.

624
00:34:44.449 --> 00:34:48.050
The moment the pieces come to Germany, that was the plan.

625
00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:51.250
It was an altar of the holocaust. And so the

626
00:34:51.409 --> 00:34:56.159
enemy is taking something. Now, here's the thing. The word

627
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.239
Holocaust actually appears in the Bible. And I'll tell you what.

628
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.739
In the first translation, which is the Septuagint, the Greek,

629
00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:06.300
which the New Testament uses, the ancient, ancient. When it

630
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.960
gets to things like when God says to Abraham, offer

631
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:14.469
up your son in the Septuagint as a Holocaust. So

632
00:35:14.510 --> 00:35:16.989
here you have the whole Jewish nation is inside Isaac.

633
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.219
And it's, it could, it's going to be offered up

634
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.300
saved by a lab.

635
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:20.780
Okay.

636
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.420
And, and so now, and then, then when you read

637
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:27.079
Leviticus in the ancient translation, it says, these are the

638
00:35:27.139 --> 00:35:30.739
laws of the Holocaust. The fire will always be burning

639
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:33.960
and you'll have ashes. And, and, and the thing is

640
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.880
what the Nazis did is it was Satan taking something,

641
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:43.949
wholly a sacrifice and turning it to satanic purposes instead

642
00:35:43.989 --> 00:35:48.070
of saving Jewish people. The sacrifice saved them. He's destroying

643
00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:50.469
them with a thing. He's taking it and he's making

644
00:35:50.510 --> 00:35:56.480
it demonic. Holocaust doesn't mean a disaster. Holocaust literally means

645
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:01.519
a sacrifice, a burnt offering sacrifice. That's what's happening. This

646
00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:03.719
is satanic. And by the way, when I told you

647
00:36:04.219 --> 00:36:07.269
that the altar was revealed to the world in Germany

648
00:36:07.289 --> 00:36:09.150
in 1930, it was on Yom Kippur, on Yom Kippur.

649
00:36:11.420 --> 00:36:14.119
The scripture that they were reading, that Jewish people were

650
00:36:14.139 --> 00:36:17.469
reading on Yom Kippur, in the Septuagint, has the word

651
00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:22.210
Holocaust four times. So when the altar comes in, they're

652
00:36:22.289 --> 00:36:24.809
speaking about the Holocaust. You know, it's like a warning.

653
00:36:26.750 --> 00:36:30.789
And let me go even further. The Bible says that

654
00:36:30.809 --> 00:36:34.630
the altar of burnt offerings, or the altar of the Holocaust,

655
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.320
was in the holy place. There's actually a scripture that

656
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.510
says the altar of burnt offerings was in the holy place. Well,

657
00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:42.369
when you take, we already saw the word for the

658
00:36:42.510 --> 00:36:44.809
altar of burnt offerings was Holocaust. What about the word

659
00:36:44.829 --> 00:36:47.909
for holy place? There's a word in German that speaks

660
00:36:47.969 --> 00:36:50.849
of a place called holy or the holy place. The

661
00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:58.480
word is Auschwitz. Auschwitz means the holy place. So you

662
00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:02.159
have the Holocaust in Auschwitz, the burnt in the holy place.

663
00:37:02.690 --> 00:37:05.329
And so it's the devil's offering. He's taken the thing

664
00:37:05.349 --> 00:37:07.010
that's gone and he's twisting it all. And you know

665
00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:09.110
what the last sacrifice was? You know who the high

666
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.719
priest was over the Holocaust? It was Adolf Hitler. He's

667
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.739
the one who did it. And so at the end,

668
00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:15.940
when the devil's through with him, can't use him anymore,

669
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.079
he's destroyed. He kills himself. Same hand, he offers himself.

670
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.139
And then he says that he orders that his body

671
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.900
be burnt as a burnt offering. I mean, he's just burnt.

672
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.739
And so the last sacrifice of the Holocaust was Adolf

673
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.539
Hitler himself. That's the last Holocaust is the burnt offering

674
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.579
of him. And now to set the stage for when

675
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.179
we go to the next program, because there's so much coming,

676
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.519
because it's going to come up to right now here

677
00:37:41.739 --> 00:37:45.429
behind everything. But the thing is this. So for Hitler

678
00:37:45.469 --> 00:37:48.690
was the owner, the possessor of the altar. He dies.

679
00:37:49.030 --> 00:37:51.769
So the altar doesn't have any possessor. That lasts for

680
00:37:51.829 --> 00:37:57.349
one day. One day, and then the altar is going

681
00:37:57.409 --> 00:38:02.110
to move from his hands, Germany, to the hands of another.

682
00:38:02.610 --> 00:38:04.849
And when it moves to the other, history is going

683
00:38:04.869 --> 00:38:05.550
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We're talking with Rabbi Jonathan.

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Cahn, the bestselling author. This is his 11th book, 10 already,

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New York Times bestselling. So we know this is going

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to be another bestseller. The Altar of Pergamon, The Mystery

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of the Dark Angel and the Future of the World.

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So in this final 12 minutes together, Rabbi... we'll go

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ahead and, you know, go through and pick it up

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00:42:33.329 --> 00:42:36.050
from where we are. Now it moves, it changes hands

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within a 24-hour period, right? Yes, yes.

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And when it changes hands, It's going to change history.

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It's good. Now a new power is going to receive

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the throne of Satan and it's going to affect our lives.

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In fact, I could say for sure it's affected all

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of our lives. We were born or I was born

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under there when we were under these things happening. Um,

761
00:42:55.269 --> 00:42:57.110
so this has all affected our life and we'll, we'll

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open that up to, you know, where we are and

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where we are now and where it's going in the

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future and all that. If I could just say it,

765
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the book is everywhere. So if you just go out,

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if you go online now or go to Amazon or

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any place online, You'll see it, the Altar of Pergamon,

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and any bookstore will have it as soon as it,

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and the other thing, but I just, again, don't just

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get it for yourself. Get copies for people in your life,

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because it's a story, it's going to draw them in,

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and it leads to salvation, and how real God is.

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Yes, amen. Okay, so now it's changed hands, and as

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00:43:28.909 --> 00:43:33.320
you said, we have been living under this all our lives,

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our lives. Our current lives, I mean, right?

776
00:43:37.070 --> 00:43:39.409
Well, everything. Yeah. I don't know, Bill, I don't know

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when you were born, so I'm not going to ask

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how much of the mystery you've been in.

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1950, I'll tell you.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So you were, okay. You know, see, if there's, okay,

783
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so here's the thing. The altar, this is what happens.

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By the way, how much time do we have? We

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have two programs, right?

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00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.239
Yeah, well, we can, you know, we'll keep on going.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Okay. Okay, let's go. All right.

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So.

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The thing is, there's so much, I'm just giving a taste,

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but still there's so much. All right. So Hitler's in

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a bunker in Germany and he kills himself in that bunker.

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In another bunker in Berlin, the Nazis are hiding something else.

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They're hiding the throne of Satan in the other bunker.

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So you got Hitler in one bunker, the throne of

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Satan in another bunker. The soldiers are coming through Berlin

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and they come upon this bunker and they open it

801
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up and inside they see it's the throne of Satan.

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So they take it, they possess it. And the altar

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changes hands. So who is it that has it now?

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The soldiers were the soldiers of the Red Army. Now

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00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:50.550
the Soviet Union possesses the throne of Satan. They take

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the throne of Satan. So now the center of evil

807
00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:56.769
in the world moves from Nazi Germany to to the

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Soviet Union and communism. And that's exactly what happens. And

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we didn't realize this. You know, say growing up with

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the Cold War, didn't realize that they actually possessed the

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throne of Satan the whole time. You know, so I mean,

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you know, it's crazy.

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And so where did they put the throne? I mean,

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here they take it.

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Where did they put it?

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In a crate?

817
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Yes. Okay. First, it's in Berlin for a little while.

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Then Moscow orders, they take it, they put it in crates,

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just as you said. They put it on trains and

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they take it to the Soviet Union, Russia. Soviet Union

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now possesses, has the throne of Satan. And what happens

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to the Soviet Union? All of a sudden it goes

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from power to superpower. It was only one nation that

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was communist, but once they have the throne of Satan,

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it's like a dark anointing. Communism spreads, takes over all

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of Eastern Europe, takes over China. takes over one-third of

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every person on earth is living under communism, you know,

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at that time. And at that moment, living under communism

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when they have the throne of Satan, you know. So

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all this and what was common, every power that gets

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the throne of Satan, the altar, they hate the Jewish people,

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they hate Christians, the church, they hate Israel. I mean,

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they become enemies of it just like Satan is, you know,

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so that, but, but the, but the story goes is

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even deeper because even before that happened, the communism was

836
00:46:28.829 --> 00:46:31.980
already linked to the throne of Satan. Just quick things,

837
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Karl Marx, you know, people don't really, first of all,

838
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where's he from Germany, Germany, the land that's going to

839
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be of the altar, Germany. Um, and, and he grows

840
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:43.900
up actually knowing about Jesus, but he, and when he's 17,

841
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he writes a devotion to Jesus. But then when he's 18,

842
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they send him to Berlin, the place where Satan's throne

843
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:51.800
is going to be, and he transforms. And he starts

844
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writing strange verses, as if Satan was speaking through him.

845
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He says, I will exalt my throne. This is Karl Marx.

846
00:47:00.409 --> 00:47:02.730
It's not Satan. I will exalt my throne. I will

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bring the world to destruction, and I will walk as

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a god among the runes. And I have a sword

849
00:47:08.670 --> 00:47:11.150
that the prince of darkness gave me. This is Karl Marx.

850
00:47:11.690 --> 00:47:15.260
He says, all that exists deserves to be destroyed. Karl Marx, okay.

851
00:47:15.980 --> 00:47:21.019
Karl Marx writes the Manifesto. Nobody reads it. Karl Marx

852
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.420
is going to be a has-been. We would never have

853
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.780
heard his name. Time has passed him by. But except

854
00:47:25.929 --> 00:47:29.690
something happens that resurrects Marxism. It would have been dead.

855
00:47:30.130 --> 00:47:32.530
You know what it was? It was the altar of Pergamon.

856
00:47:32.949 --> 00:47:36.469
Remember I said the altar comes to Germany? At the

857
00:47:36.630 --> 00:47:39.710
moment those pieces first come to Germany, at that moment,

858
00:47:40.329 --> 00:47:44.969
Marxism is suddenly resurrected in Germany. And the Communist Manifesto

859
00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:47.389
was reissued, goes to the world, becomes the number two

860
00:47:47.429 --> 00:47:52.110
bestseller under the Bible. And now at the same moment

861
00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:55.849
of the altar in Germany, same moment it comes, the

862
00:47:55.929 --> 00:47:59.380
Marxism goes to Russia. And when they were starting to

863
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:03.460
dig up the altar, the moment they're putting their shovels

864
00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:07.099
and they're digging up, another child is born with the altar.

865
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.429
His name is Joseph Stalin. He is also born with

866
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the altar. And the whole, I mean, you know, remember

867
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.960
I told you that when they pieced together the altar

868
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.820
in 1889 and all of a sudden Hitler is born, okay?

869
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.170
Same moment, they're piecing it together, something happens that's going

870
00:48:25.190 --> 00:48:28.889
to change the world. Lenin comes into Marx, comes in

871
00:48:29.489 --> 00:48:32.409
the same moment. Lenin picks up Marx and the rest

872
00:48:32.469 --> 00:48:35.130
is history. The red flag of communism comes in, happens

873
00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:37.230
in the same year, 1889. Everything happens when they.

874
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.000
So there's all sorts of history, but the thing is that,

875
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.019
to this, which you can't get into, but the thing

876
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:48.820
is that, so now the altar has come to Russia,

877
00:48:48.940 --> 00:48:52.019
to the Soviet Union. And who's over it? Joseph Stalin,

878
00:48:52.059 --> 00:48:54.980
who was born with the altar. Every one of those

879
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.480
two children who were born with the altar, they become

880
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.699
the masters of the altar at the right time. So now,

881
00:49:02.019 --> 00:49:04.780
why do we call the devil the devil? We call

882
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.909
him the devil because it comes from the word diabolos.

883
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:13.059
Diabolus means the one who divides, who divides. So the

884
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.750
devil's a divider, because if he can divide, he can destroy.

885
00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:18.630
If he can divide, he can conquer and destroy. So

886
00:49:18.670 --> 00:49:22.039
what happens to the world when the Soviet Union gets

887
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.900
the altar? What happens is the world is divided into

888
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.889
two camps, each with a power to destroy the world.

889
00:49:31.969 --> 00:49:35.230
So this mystery is even behind the Cold War. What

890
00:49:35.369 --> 00:49:38.150
was the Cold War, which we were born under? It

891
00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:41.869
was the side that had the throne of Satan versus

892
00:49:41.909 --> 00:49:44.750
the side that was against that. That was it.

893
00:49:45.769 --> 00:49:48.619
Good and evil, right there.

894
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.559
As much as it could be, it was. And all

895
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.920
by that, whoever has the throne. I mean, this part,

896
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.400
it sounds like the Lord of the Rings. You know,

897
00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:00.809
you have this evil object, you know, that's changing. So,

898
00:50:01.210 --> 00:50:06.190
all right. So now what happens is the Soviet Union

899
00:50:06.230 --> 00:50:12.909
in 1958, decides to send the altar back to its puppet,

900
00:50:13.730 --> 00:50:18.469
East Germany, East Berlin. It still possesses it. It's still

901
00:50:18.570 --> 00:50:20.849
over it. Its troops are in East Berlin, but the

902
00:50:20.889 --> 00:50:25.070
location has changed for political reasons. As soon as they

903
00:50:25.110 --> 00:50:27.230
move it back, they move it back in 1958, all

904
00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:30.250
of a sudden Berlin, and you might remember something, Berlin

905
00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:33.300
becomes a center of crisis between the Cold War. Berlin

906
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.579
was the main thing. And the Soviet Union and America

907
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.760
almost come to war over Berlin. And when did the

908
00:50:42.780 --> 00:50:46.199
Berlin crisis begin? November 1958. When did the altar arrive

909
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:51.860
in Berlin? November 1958. This crisis keeps going until you

910
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:55.849
have John Kennedy. and Khrushchev of the Soviet Union. They

911
00:50:55.889 --> 00:51:01.349
meet in 1961. Khrushchev demands all of Berlin. America says no.

912
00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:06.070
Khrushchev builds the wall, the Berlin Wall. At the wall,

913
00:51:06.170 --> 00:51:14.219
at Checkpoint Charlie, there comes a massive Berlin crisis that puts,

914
00:51:14.539 --> 00:51:16.880
on one side of the wall, you have Soviet soldiers

915
00:51:17.139 --> 00:51:19.739
armed in tanks. On the other side, you have American soldiers,

916
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.300
first time ever, They're ready. Both sides are preparing for

917
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.139
a nuclear war in that crisis. And right in the

918
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:29.059
middle of it is the altar, the throne of Satan,

919
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:33.119
the altar there. Now, we get past it, but now

920
00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:36.340
is the most... Well, before that, the devil wants to

921
00:51:36.380 --> 00:51:39.139
destroy the world. He's a destroyer. He's a divider. He's

922
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:41.280
a destroyer. He divides the world so he can destroy it.

923
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.579
But you can only do that if you have the

924
00:51:42.619 --> 00:51:45.530
power to destroy it. So what's the power to destroy it?

925
00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:50.809
Nuclear destruction. So when did... Could even that be linked

926
00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:54.349
to the mystery and the altar of Pergamon? Well, it is.

927
00:51:54.690 --> 00:51:56.750
Here's the thing. What kind of altar was it? The

928
00:51:56.869 --> 00:52:01.809
altar of burnt offerings. It totally burns up. Well, and

929
00:52:01.849 --> 00:52:04.380
how do you say that in Greek? Holocaust. Well, the

930
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.739
Holocaust is only used for two things. What happened with

931
00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:12.949
Hitler and when we say nuclear holocaust. That's it. Both

932
00:52:13.050 --> 00:52:17.050
holocausts came from the altar. When did that power come

933
00:52:17.070 --> 00:52:21.210
into the world? Well, New Mexico, America. No. It came

934
00:52:21.269 --> 00:52:24.210
into the world at the throne of Satan in Berlin.

935
00:52:24.769 --> 00:52:28.210
It came into the world in 1938 when two German

936
00:52:28.250 --> 00:52:33.320
scientists split the atom under Adolf Hitler. Hitler almost had it.

937
00:52:33.769 --> 00:52:35.510
And that's the plan of the enemy. Imagine if he

938
00:52:35.530 --> 00:52:38.719
got it. By a miracle, God kept him from getting it,

939
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.780
largely because he persecuted the Jewish people and Jewish scientists

940
00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:47.119
went to America. That's really the grace of God. So now,

941
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:50.059
bringing it back, you got the two powers divided, the

942
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:51.969
world divided. We all grew up under it. You got

943
00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:54.829
nuclear power, nuclear destruction, and then you have the most

944
00:52:54.889 --> 00:52:57.269
dangerous moment in world history. When was it? It was

945
00:52:57.309 --> 00:53:00.550
the Cuban Missile Crisis. And what happens is, and you

946
00:53:00.590 --> 00:53:01.690
probably remember some of it.

947
00:53:01.710 --> 00:53:02.150
Oh, I am.

948
00:53:03.070 --> 00:53:06.579
Oh, yeah. By the way, speaking of personal stuff, my

949
00:53:06.619 --> 00:53:10.440
father grew up, was born in Germany, and he grew

950
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:11.179
up under Hitler.

951
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:12.119
Oh, wow.

952
00:53:12.219 --> 00:53:14.219
And he just escaped with his life. He got out

953
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.519
on a train to get out. That's why I only

954
00:53:16.579 --> 00:53:20.670
exist because he got out. Yeah, exactly. But it's touched

955
00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:23.699
all of us. It doesn't matter who you are. So 1962,

956
00:53:23.690 --> 00:53:27.340
the Soviet Union puts missiles in Cuba. America discovers it.

957
00:53:27.670 --> 00:53:32.199
Kennedy quarantines Cuba. American ships in the water. Soviet ships

958
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:35.780
are coming with more missiles. The world prepares for nuclear destruction, literally.

959
00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:39.150
I mean, we would have been, if by one hair

960
00:53:39.550 --> 00:53:41.590
it could have destroyed, we wouldn't be here today. And

961
00:53:41.610 --> 00:53:43.889
the thing is that people are in bomb shelters. They're

962
00:53:43.909 --> 00:53:47.730
putting dog tags on their children. And by a miracle,

963
00:53:47.750 --> 00:53:50.360
we get past it. But here's the thing. The secret

964
00:53:50.380 --> 00:53:53.980
story was this. It wasn't about Cuba. What happened, the

965
00:53:54.019 --> 00:53:57.460
real beginning was Khrushchev was by the Black Sea. And

966
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.539
they pointed out to him that America had missiles on

967
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.780
the other side of the sea aimed at Russia. He said, okay,

968
00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:05.960
we're putting missiles in Cuba right by their doorstep. So

969
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.610
the missiles that almost brought the world to destruction weren't

970
00:54:08.619 --> 00:54:10.789
the missiles in Cuba. They were missiles on the other

971
00:54:10.829 --> 00:54:13.090
side of the Black Sea. So where were they? What

972
00:54:13.110 --> 00:54:15.909
were the missiles that almost destroyed the world? They were

973
00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:20.170
all standing in the land of Pergamon, the throne of Satan.

974
00:54:21.139 --> 00:54:24.639
They were all in the ancient kingdom of Pergamon, every

975
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.599
one of them. And, and, you know, remember the altar

976
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:32.599
of Pergamon is linked to Zeus, you know, Satan, Zeus, Jupiter.

977
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.489
The missiles bore the name of the god Jupiter on them.

978
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:38.070
That almost destroyed the world.

979
00:54:39.090 --> 00:54:41.510
This is Bill Martinez. We're live and we're talking with

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1000
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bill martinez live.

1001
00:55:59.650 --> 00:56:03.130
Well, we're talking with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, his brand-new book,

1002
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The Altar of Pergamon, which is available now. Its official

1003
00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:10.380
release date is September 1st. The Mystery of the Dark

1004
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Angel and the Future of the World, and he's walking

1005
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us through the significance of the throne of Satan. and

1006
00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:21.409
its influence on world events.

1007
00:56:21.489 --> 00:56:24.030
Go ahead. Yeah, to this day, what the Bible says

1008
00:56:24.090 --> 00:56:26.599
is true. And by the way, it's coming out, but

1009
00:56:26.659 --> 00:56:28.150
if you go online, you can get it.

1010
00:56:28.179 --> 00:56:28.800
It's everywhere.

1011
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.280
So, yeah, so now, what happens? Okay, we've got the

1012
00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:34.469
world divided, the world on edge, you know what I mean?

1013
00:56:34.710 --> 00:56:36.610
When I was in school, they had air raid drills.

1014
00:56:36.630 --> 00:56:37.250
I had to go out.

1015
00:56:37.289 --> 00:56:38.090
We were under desk.

1016
00:56:38.170 --> 00:56:39.030
Yeah, exactly.

1017
00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:41.190
You were under desk. We had to cover our heads

1018
00:56:41.230 --> 00:56:46.050
in case there was a nuclear explosion. We'd get protected. So, OK,

1019
00:56:46.309 --> 00:56:49.010
lasts until. But if you see, if you just follow

1020
00:56:49.030 --> 00:56:51.119
where the altar is, what happens to the altar, you'll

1021
00:56:51.139 --> 00:56:53.920
see what happens to the entire world. What happens in 1989,

1022
00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:00.360
the wall comes down. OK, and so what happens? Germany

1023
00:57:00.699 --> 00:57:03.679
actually becomes back into the world as a nation. The

1024
00:57:03.699 --> 00:57:06.119
first time it came was with the altar in 1871.

1025
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.739
Now it comes back again with the altar. And so

1026
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:12.820
now the altar is cut off from communism. Communism loses

1027
00:57:12.860 --> 00:57:16.619
the altar. The Soviet Union loses the altar. Eastern Europe

1028
00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:20.570
loses the altar. Eastern Germany loses it. So what happens?

1029
00:57:21.309 --> 00:57:24.269
The communist world collapses. It disappears.

1030
00:57:24.829 --> 00:57:26.849
You say they lost the altar. Where did the altar go?

1031
00:57:27.030 --> 00:57:30.190
No, no. Meaning they lost... It was in Berlin. They

1032
00:57:30.250 --> 00:57:35.179
lost possession of the altar. They no longer controlled the altar.

1033
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.519
They possessed it up to that moment. You know, East Germany, communism,

1034
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.760
and the Soviet Union possessed the altar. But once the

1035
00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:47.159
wall came down and Germany became one, they lost possession

1036
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:51.730
of the altar. And once they lost the possession, communism

1037
00:57:51.789 --> 00:57:56.690
collapses in Eastern Europe, collapses in Soviet Union. Everything follows

1038
00:57:56.730 --> 00:57:59.949
where that thing is. So... Now, what happened? By the way,

1039
00:57:59.969 --> 00:58:01.289
we're going to get to a thing that is linked

1040
00:58:01.309 --> 00:58:04.800
to an American leader on the stage who's even, not Trump,

1041
00:58:05.139 --> 00:58:06.840
on the stage even now, who is linked to the

1042
00:58:06.980 --> 00:58:09.980
altar of Pergamon and the throne of Satan. I may

1043
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.659
not name it, but I'll mention it. All right. So

1044
00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:16.159
what happens now? Every time the altar changes, a new

1045
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.429
power starts rising. One power falls, one power rises. So

1046
00:58:20.769 --> 00:58:23.650
what's the power now? Well, if the enemy could not

1047
00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:28.409
destroy the world by dividing it, which he tried, He

1048
00:58:28.449 --> 00:58:32.150
will try to possess it by bringing it together as one,

1049
00:58:32.650 --> 00:58:33.150
one world.

1050
00:58:33.670 --> 00:58:34.409
One world government.

1051
00:58:34.610 --> 00:58:37.469
One world Bible prophecy. Now we're in that realm. The

1052
00:58:37.570 --> 00:58:41.260
altar is converging. So what happens? When the altar comes down,

1053
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:45.119
Germany becomes one. So Eastern Europe becomes one. And the

1054
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.320
world starts globalizing in a way that's never before. People

1055
00:58:48.340 --> 00:58:52.730
say new world order, globalization, new world. Well, so the

1056
00:58:52.769 --> 00:58:55.170
thing is that one is the thing, the Bible says

1057
00:58:55.190 --> 00:58:57.239
that's going to happen. It's not going to be good.

1058
00:58:58.179 --> 00:59:02.739
And the other thing is that something else, what else

1059
00:59:02.929 --> 00:59:05.789
has been bringing the world together? The web. The web.

1060
00:59:06.210 --> 00:59:08.190
When did the web come into the world? It was

1061
00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:11.820
conceived in 1989. the same moment the wall came down

1062
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:15.360
in Berlin. Okay, so now you have these things happening

1063
00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:17.460
in the same moment. When did it come into the world?

1064
00:59:18.059 --> 00:59:20.760
In 1990, Germany comes into the world, is unified at

1065
00:59:20.780 --> 00:59:24.719
the same, that's the time that the web actually is born.

1066
00:59:24.739 --> 00:59:28.250
It was conceived, then it was born. And you know, In, in, in,

1067
00:59:28.349 --> 00:59:30.429
you know, bill, when you say worldwide web, it's on

1068
00:59:30.469 --> 00:59:34.420
every computer and it's WWW, you know?

1069
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:34.719
Right.

1070
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.900
Well, in the language of the Bible, it's not WWW.

1071
00:59:38.179 --> 00:59:41.880
It's vav, vav, vav, letter vav, letter vav. Every in

1072
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.260
the Bible, every letter has a number has a numerical value.

1073
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.030
It's a number. So what it translates to in the

1074
00:59:48.070 --> 00:59:51.789
language of the Bible, WWW translates to six, six, six, six, six.

1075
00:59:51.849 --> 00:59:52.050
Yes.

1076
00:59:52.190 --> 00:59:54.340
Every computer. on every computer.

1077
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:54.780
All right.

1078
00:59:55.179 --> 00:59:58.119
So now the, the other thing is what about, I

1079
00:59:58.260 --> 01:00:01.440
promised you, uh, uh, I'll, I'll touch on a mystery

1080
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:05.000
of an American leader and how, and how this altar

1081
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.639
actually has to do with America as well. Um, there

1082
01:00:07.659 --> 01:00:11.130
was an American leader. He's still on the, he's still around. Um,

1083
01:00:11.409 --> 01:00:14.650
and he, he actually goes to the place of Satan's

1084
01:00:14.690 --> 01:00:18.559
throne and there he stands under an image of an,

1085
01:00:18.750 --> 01:00:22.590
of a, of a ancient pagan goddess, uh, And he

1086
01:00:22.690 --> 01:00:25.289
delivers a speech to the world calling the world to

1087
01:00:25.329 --> 01:00:29.690
become as one. He goes back to America and begins

1088
01:00:29.750 --> 01:00:33.269
his rise to power in America. And he's going to

1089
01:00:33.329 --> 01:00:39.440
dominate America for a time. As he is beginning his rise,

1090
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.260
he's standing on a stage. And it's on television. It's

1091
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.360
before the world, everybody. Behind him, his rise begins right there.

1092
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:52.090
Behind him, there is a structure that they built behind him.

1093
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.000
And that structure, everybody's looking at the structure and saying, well,

1094
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:58.909
that's kind of weird. Was it a Greek temple? You know,

1095
01:00:59.469 --> 01:01:02.369
what they did and whether they knew it or not,

1096
01:01:03.010 --> 01:01:05.929
what they did is they, they built, what that structure was,

1097
01:01:05.969 --> 01:01:10.050
was a reproduction of the altar of Pergamon behind the

1098
01:01:10.110 --> 01:01:13.760
American throne of Satan, behind the American leader who was

1099
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:17.360
about to rise to power. And, and, and now that goes,

1100
01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:19.320
cause of the altars now sort of in the West,

1101
01:01:19.969 --> 01:01:21.550
And so what's been happening to the West? You know,

1102
01:01:21.570 --> 01:01:23.210
it used to be, you said before, it's like good

1103
01:01:23.250 --> 01:01:25.489
and evil. You know, you had the Cold War. You

1104
01:01:25.530 --> 01:01:27.070
knew what was good. And you had the throne of

1105
01:01:27.090 --> 01:01:28.469
Satan there. But now the throne of Satan is a

1106
01:01:28.510 --> 01:01:30.960
little bit, it's a bit different. So now what's happening

1107
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.679
to the West, like Europe, is becoming anti-Christian. Right.

1108
01:01:35.739 --> 01:01:38.519
The same pattern that happened to Europe is what we're

1109
01:01:38.539 --> 01:01:39.480
seeing here in America.

1110
01:01:39.500 --> 01:01:39.579
Yeah.

1111
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:40.659
Exactly.

1112
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.980
And in our mainstream culture, we're watching it to a dechristianization.

1113
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:48.719
It follows the altar. So now, could this actually dovetail

1114
01:01:48.739 --> 01:01:52.030
with end-time prophecy? Because the mystery that the altar of

1115
01:01:52.050 --> 01:01:55.070
Pergamon is revealing is past, present, and future. And the

1116
01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:57.889
thing is that the Bible speaks about a coming world

1117
01:01:57.929 --> 01:02:02.980
power and a world state. And now, could this have

1118
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.400
to do with the altar? What was the last power

1119
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.559
that had the altar of Pergamon when it was still

1120
01:02:07.619 --> 01:02:11.849
functioning and burning? It was Rome. Rome. The altar disappears

1121
01:02:12.210 --> 01:02:17.369
and Rome disappears. The altar comes back. Rome is coming back.

1122
01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:21.309
The Bible speaks of a revived form of Roman, which

1123
01:02:21.369 --> 01:02:23.630
is the one world thing. It was a universal empire

1124
01:02:23.969 --> 01:02:26.889
in some form or another. But the other thing is

1125
01:02:26.969 --> 01:02:30.900
something else comes into the world. Right after the altar

1126
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:37.280
changes hands again, the wall falls, another power is officially born.

1127
01:02:38.139 --> 01:02:41.110
It's called the European Union. He was born right then.

1128
01:02:41.889 --> 01:02:44.309
And right then, and part of this one world thing.

1129
01:02:45.030 --> 01:02:47.210
And you know who possesses the altar right now? It's

1130
01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:49.329
not just Germany. Germany's part of it. It's the European

1131
01:02:49.449 --> 01:02:52.829
Union that has the altar. And the European Union has

1132
01:02:52.929 --> 01:02:55.989
more of Rome than any other entity in history. You know,

1133
01:02:56.050 --> 01:02:57.969
the Roman Empire. Right.

1134
01:02:58.750 --> 01:03:01.030
Are you talking about, I mean, when you talk about

1135
01:03:02.190 --> 01:03:05.090
Rome coming back, the first thing that comes to mind

1136
01:03:05.170 --> 01:03:07.170
is brutality, Rabbi.

1137
01:03:07.190 --> 01:03:07.309
Right.

1138
01:03:08.019 --> 01:03:12.539
I mean, they were such a brutal, brutal regime.

1139
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:18.199
Yes, they were. And think about, I mean, they were,

1140
01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:22.659
what were they before? They were the persecutors of Christians.

1141
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:23.440
Yes.

1142
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.500
They were the destroyers of Israel. You know, think about that.

1143
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.300
They were the ones that created, they came up with

1144
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.539
the idea of the crucifixion.

1145
01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:37.079
Well, they, they certainly used it. Yeah.

1146
01:03:37.179 --> 01:03:38.369
Or maybe perfected it.

1147
01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:41.530
I guess they used it. They're the ones who crucified.

1148
01:03:41.550 --> 01:03:41.840
Yeah.

1149
01:03:41.969 --> 01:03:44.329
They, they actually did the physical crucifying of the Lord

1150
01:03:44.849 --> 01:03:49.030
that they, they persecuted the church, gave, fed them to

1151
01:03:49.050 --> 01:03:53.570
the lions. They destroyed Israel. They came in and that's

1152
01:03:53.610 --> 01:03:55.489
why the Jewish people are all over the world. So

1153
01:03:55.530 --> 01:03:58.590
it's a big thing. So, yes. So it's interesting that

1154
01:03:58.610 --> 01:04:01.139
you're saying that because so every power, think about it,

1155
01:04:01.190 --> 01:04:04.300
every power that's had the altar, turned against that same

1156
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:08.780
spirit came in then turned against the Jewish people turned

1157
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:12.860
against was against the church against Christianity, you know, and

1158
01:04:12.909 --> 01:04:16.789
the final one will be the antichrist, you know, and

1159
01:04:16.829 --> 01:04:20.570
if the antichrist, the antichrist is linked to this, this

1160
01:04:20.630 --> 01:04:24.469
Roman or European power, he's going to possess the throne

1161
01:04:24.510 --> 01:04:28.440
of Satan. You had Hitler, you had Stalin, and now

1162
01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:31.760
you're going to have the Antichrist. And there's so much

1163
01:04:31.780 --> 01:04:36.440
to this because there's an ancient myth that involves a

1164
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:42.219
princess and a god of the Greeks wants her. So

1165
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he turns himself into a bull and she says, oh,

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what a nice bull. Gets on top of the bull,

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the bull abducts her, and then he reveals himself and

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then seduces her. Here's the thing. The name of the princess,

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ancient myth, the princess's name, ancient name is Europa or Europe.

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Europe.

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Europe gets its name from an ancient myth of a

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woman riding a beast. Think about that. Riding a beast.

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And a woman who was seduced. You know who the

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god was? Zeus. Altar of Zeus. So a woman who's

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seduced by Zeus. So now you have the altar of Pergamon,

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which is the throne of Satan, but it's also the

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altar of Zeus, is moved to, is now under the

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possession of Europa. You have the princess and the bull together.

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And what is it? It's about she gets carried away. Well,

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when it comes to Europe first time, she gets carried

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away with Nazism. Then she gets carried away with communism.

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Then now she's going to get carried away with the Antichrist.

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And this goes to a deep thing because when you

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say about, you're saying like, what was Rome and now

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what's going to be? Well, the other thing is that,

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you know, Rome has a fight with Israel. You know,

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it's a long fight. You know, they won that round.

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They destroyed Israel, but Israel's back. And when Israeli soldiers

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used to get sworn in, they'd be sworn in on

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top of Masada, where the Romans, you know, took over.

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And they swear Masada will never fall again. In other words,

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what kind of nation Israel is thinking in terms of 2,000 years?

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So now Israel comes back. Israel comes into the world.

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You're going to have another Rome come back in the world,

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you know. The altar is back in the world, okay?

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And here's another mystery here. You know, why did the

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altar come back? Why did the throne of Satan come

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back then? Well, when I looked at it, it's just

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when God started bringing Israel back into the world, you know,

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he started resurrecting. That's the exact moment that the devil

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started bringing the throne of Satan back into the world.

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It parallels. And so what did he do? Brought it

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to Germany that almost destroyed the Jewish people before God

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could have the nation resurrect him. Then the Soviet Union

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that also tried to destroy Israel. And then the Antichrist

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who willed to try to destroy Israel. So it's all

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linked because the devil knows that when the Jewish people

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come back to that land, somebody else is coming back

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to that land. So, of course, he would do everything

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he could to stop it. And you know, you know,

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the other thing I'm just saying it because I will.

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I don't think I've said it on any show. I'm

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just saying to you because we know that is the

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mystery begins actually of the of the altar program. It

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actually begins with Hanukkah. I mean, it begins with the

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devil from the beginning, but Hanukkah, the guy named Antiochus,

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who's a shadow of the Antichrist, he comes to the

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temple of Jerusalem, desecrates it, defiles it, abomination, you know,

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and then he declares Judaism illegal. He tries to wipe

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it out. Well, the Antichrist is going to try to

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do the same thing. But the Maccabees end up defeating

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this guy. They take the temple back and they take

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the altar. He built an altar. They take it off

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the thing. You know what the altar was? The altar

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that was the abomination was the altar of Zeus. Antiochus

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had a friend who was, his friend was the king

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of Pergamon. And right after the altar gets taken off,

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the devil loses one round. His friend builds the altar

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of Pergamon, which becomes the center of evil against Christians

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and Jews to this day.

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Well, stay right there. We've got more from Jonathan Cahn

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I just know... that our audience and those that read

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this book. And this is why, you know, your appeal

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to get it out there, to bless us, because it's

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a blessing, you know, because what does God say? The

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01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.260
word says, my people perish for lack of knowledge, right?

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This book is filled with knowledge. This will fill you

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with power for these days, because the thing that I'm seeing, Rabbi,

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right now is the word contrast keeps coming up in

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my spirit. There's, you know, It's dark, it's light, it's life,

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01:13:30.460 --> 01:13:34.220
it's death, it's good, it's evil. I mean, there's no

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01:13:34.300 --> 01:13:36.000
in-between anymore, right?

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Yeah, yeah, the grays, what we're watching are the grays disappearing.

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You know, the middle grounds disappearing. I mean, look at

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it even politically. You know, the middle grounds disappearing. You know,

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the Democratic Party's becoming, you have the socialists and going

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01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:50.600
to radicalism, you know, and... You know, you even have

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01:13:50.659 --> 01:13:54.079
some on the right who are going extreme with anti-Semitism.

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They agree with that about being against Israel. That's the

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two extremes. But you're watching it. The culture which once

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considered itself, you know, we grew up in a culture

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that was considered Christian. Well, now everybody said it, but

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it's kind of gray because everybody said it. Now it's not.

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The dark is darker, real anti-Christian and pagan, and the

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01:14:12.500 --> 01:14:14.920
light's got to get brighter. We have to get brighter.

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You know, the dark's getting darker. We have to get brighter.

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The middle ground, the grays are disappearing. Right.

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I think that what I'm sensing is God's calling the question,

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who are you for?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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There's no way.

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You've got to serve somebody. It's going to be the

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devil or the Lord.

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Well, there it is. His timely book, The Altar of Pergamon,

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The Mystery of the Dark Angel and the Future of

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the World. Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has done it again. Ten

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New York Times bestsellers. Clearly. This will be his 11th.

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And as Jonathan said, this is a book that you

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must don't pass, go collect 200 bucks, go straight. Get

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your hand on this book for yourself and for your

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family members, because it is that significant. It is that

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relevant to a time such as this that we're now living.

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All these questions that you have in mind about the culture,

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01:15:05.529 --> 01:15:08.029
And what's going on? I mean, you even have the

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vice president here recently saying that, you know, we could

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be very well living in the last days. Billy Graham,

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before his passing, when he was asked about these being

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the last days, he says, oh, no, these are the

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last of the last days. So the signs are here.

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And just as been said, as in the days of Noah,

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what was happening in the days of Noah? It was

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business as usual. You know, things were happening, but people

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01:15:31.069 --> 01:15:34.949
were not aware because they weren't aware spiritually. And that's

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what is needed right now. If you're looking at the

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01:15:37.579 --> 01:15:42.060
world through a temporal perspective, you're going to buy into

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the lies, the deception, and the evil, dare I say.

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Because as we were talking with Jonathan, he agreed that

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the grays have been cleared out. It really is coming

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down to black and white. And you need to decide,

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are you going to be for God or against God?

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Are you for good or are you for evil? And

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I know, you know, in your lifetime, you've heard this

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come up from time and time again. Gosh, I remember

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in the 60s when I was growing up, there was,

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you know, the music of the day, you know, all

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the protest music because of Vietnam. And you remember the

1378
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.390
Eve of Destruction, Barry Maguire? And it just seemed like

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there was so much there. And it's interesting because I

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was thinking about that. And I thought, where is the

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01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:25.850
music today that would give us any kind of warning?

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You notice how quiet it is? Even movies, you know,

1383
01:16:31.149 --> 01:16:35.529
they've been kind of blunted. It seems to be more

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a delivering of amusement, things that would distract us and

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blind us from, you know, the spiritual reality of what's happening.

1386
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And that is that, you know, we know this, you know,

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we're not here for the long haul. You know, there

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is a beginning and there is an end in this

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present life. The question is, after this, where are you

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going to be? Do you want to be with God

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or without God? God gives us the free will to

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make that choice. He loves us enough that he gives

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us that authority, you know, to choose who you want

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to serve. And you're going to serve somebody. You right now,

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even you're serving somebody and you just have to pause

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and think about, you know, who are you serving? And

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01:17:21.090 --> 01:17:24.710
it's clear that if you're not serving God, then you

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might analyze, you might take a close look at how

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01:17:28.569 --> 01:17:31.850
life really is. And it might be tough if you're

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01:17:32.449 --> 01:17:35.399
that kind of individual where right now everything's hunky-dory, you're

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01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.460
making good money, you got a balance on your checkbook

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01:17:38.579 --> 01:17:42.220
and your 401k looks good. You're like that rich man

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01:17:42.260 --> 01:17:44.420
who came to Jesus and said, what do I need

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01:17:44.460 --> 01:17:46.779
to do to earn the kingdom of heaven? He said, well,

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01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:48.640
keep the laws. Well, I've done that. I've kept the

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01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.460
laws from birth. I've done all that. What else can

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01:17:51.500 --> 01:17:54.399
I do? And Jesus said, sell everything. In other words,

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let go of the temporal things of this world and

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focus on eternity. Pick up your cross and follow me,

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01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.420
he said. And the young man went away with his

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01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:10.279
head down and a bit depressed because he realized when

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01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:15.130
Jesus called that question that he didn't want to do that. And,

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01:18:15.390 --> 01:18:17.189
you know, and this is kind of where we are,

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01:18:17.510 --> 01:18:19.949
is that, you know, when you come to that point

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01:18:20.069 --> 01:18:23.170
of decision, are you willing to pick up your cross?

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01:18:23.189 --> 01:18:24.869
I mean, it's easy to talk about it. Oh, yeah,

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01:18:24.890 --> 01:18:27.680
pick up your cross and follow Jesus, that sounds good,

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01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.300
you know, when you're just talking about it, but when

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01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:35.159
you actually have to do it, and this is where

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01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.060
we are right now, and this is what Jonathan has

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01:18:37.100 --> 01:18:40.289
so brilliantly brought out in this story within a story,

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01:18:40.310 --> 01:18:43.649
you know, much like if you remember the Harbinger, you

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01:18:43.670 --> 01:18:48.470
had this allegory wrapped into the message that was real,

1424
01:18:48.909 --> 01:18:52.229
and here, don't get fooled. I mean, yes, it's a

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01:18:52.270 --> 01:18:55.500
quick read. It adds some, I guess, a little bit

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01:18:55.539 --> 01:18:59.680
of novelty and interest. And it reads very quickly, this

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01:18:59.779 --> 01:19:04.920
altar of Pergamon. But in the story, within that story,

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01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:11.119
you know, they're undeniable facts. I say undeniable because, again,

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01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.199
if you don't have spiritual eyes, if you don't have

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01:19:13.220 --> 01:19:16.199
a spiritual understanding, you know, it's just, okay, you might

1431
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.619
as well read a romance novel. But for those of

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us whose eyes are open, and I pray that your

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eyes would be open, even if right now they're not,

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I pray that when you get this book that your

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01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.250
eyes would be open and that God Almighty would give

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01:19:29.270 --> 01:19:32.310
you the unction and the Holy Spirit to open up

1437
01:19:32.329 --> 01:19:36.420
your eyes and open up your channels of belief so

1438
01:19:36.460 --> 01:19:39.180
you could see what's happening in this world and how

1439
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.659
crazy it is. And maybe it's not right there in

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01:19:42.689 --> 01:19:46.010
your zip code. Maybe it's just, you know, it might

1441
01:19:46.020 --> 01:19:48.470
be in a city somewhere else nearby, but you think, hey,

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01:19:48.510 --> 01:19:50.050
it's never going to happen here. But the fact is,

1443
01:19:50.409 --> 01:19:53.130
is the influences, even though you may think a lot

1444
01:19:53.149 --> 01:19:55.670
of this stuff is happening in Europe and Berlin, no,

1445
01:19:55.729 --> 01:19:58.050
you can see what's happening and how it was manifested,

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01:19:58.489 --> 01:20:02.770
even as Jonathan explained and gave us a little bit

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of insight and helped us remember what happened with Barack Obama.

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Let me ask you, Rabbi, you know, we've got about

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nine minutes left here. I mean, I really appreciate your time.

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01:24:23.899 --> 01:24:26.210
We're able to get into some extra detail here.

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Is that.

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01:24:29.229 --> 01:24:32.010
With things lining up right now, with what's going on

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01:24:32.050 --> 01:24:35.869
in Iran, and you've got this, you know, this other

1524
01:24:35.930 --> 01:24:40.359
trinity going on, Iran, China, and Russia, and we know

1525
01:24:40.460 --> 01:24:44.880
that Israel will be attacked from the north. How is

1526
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:48.850
that playing? Is there a connection here? with the throne

1527
01:24:48.869 --> 01:24:52.829
of Satan and these three countries moving on Israel?

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01:24:53.590 --> 01:24:56.630
Well, there is in a few ways. I mean, interesting.

1529
01:24:57.109 --> 01:25:01.600
First of all, okay, you mentioned Russia and you mentioned China. Okay,

1530
01:25:01.819 --> 01:25:05.439
China is still under this darkness that is linked to

1531
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:06.720
the altar of communism.

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01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:07.460
Right.

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01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.859
Russia was, and Russia, this power, was used in this

1534
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:16.529
against the Jewish people. Iran is an ancient nation. that

1535
01:25:16.569 --> 01:25:18.369
the Bible says will be an enemy of Israel in

1536
01:25:18.409 --> 01:25:21.909
the last days. When it talks about in Ezekiel 38

1537
01:25:21.909 --> 01:25:23.949
and 39, there's going to be an invasion and Iran

1538
01:25:23.970 --> 01:25:26.449
is going to be, you know, Iran has never directly

1539
01:25:26.689 --> 01:25:29.979
been at war with Israel directly until these last few years.

1540
01:25:30.100 --> 01:25:33.659
Never happened. We crossed a prophetic line. And the nations

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01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:35.279
that the Bible says are going to be part of

1542
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.880
that attack on Israel, for the first time, they were

1543
01:25:38.979 --> 01:25:41.619
all part of something together, an attack, which they were

1544
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.939
all linked to October 7th. They funded it, they trained it,

1545
01:25:45.449 --> 01:25:48.279
all of them. So you're seeing that all line up

1546
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:53.029
and Ezekiel 38 and 39 leads up to, you know,

1547
01:25:53.210 --> 01:25:56.949
really revelation. I mean, what you see, this comes before Armageddon.

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01:25:56.989 --> 01:25:59.149
This is something before that, but it leads up to it.

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01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.319
And when you read also, the interesting thing is when

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01:26:01.340 --> 01:26:05.079
you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, what comes right after it?

1551
01:26:05.539 --> 01:26:08.789
Ezekiel 40 is about the building of the temple. So

1552
01:26:08.970 --> 01:26:11.409
every Jewish person, when this thing happens, when Ezekiel 38

1553
01:26:11.409 --> 01:26:13.689
and 39 is fulfilled, every Jewish person in the world

1554
01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:17.039
is going to be reading Ezekiel 38 and 39. And

1555
01:26:17.060 --> 01:26:20.119
then the next chapter says, okay, now rebuild the temple.

1556
01:26:20.729 --> 01:26:23.569
So they're going to rebuild the temple. You know, now

1557
01:26:23.609 --> 01:26:25.869
an interesting thing about this is, you know, at the end,

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01:26:25.949 --> 01:26:29.449
it's all, the final war is, the final spot is

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01:26:29.569 --> 01:26:32.800
the temple. I mean, because that's, think about that. We

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01:26:32.819 --> 01:26:35.279
started at the beginning with the devil saying, I will

1561
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:38.579
lift up my throne. I'll sit on the mountain of

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01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.600
the assembly. That's the temple. Where was God enthroned on earth?

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01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.399
He was enthroned on the temple mount. I mean, that

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01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:48.260
was the place. So the devil wants that.

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01:26:48.659 --> 01:26:48.859
Okay.

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01:26:48.939 --> 01:26:49.100
Yeah.

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01:26:49.180 --> 01:26:50.180
So it's interesting.

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01:26:50.220 --> 01:26:52.220
That's where God has placed his name and his word.

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01:26:52.539 --> 01:26:56.020
Yes. Yes. And that is where the Lord Messiah, Jesus

1570
01:26:56.100 --> 01:26:58.619
is going to rule, going to reign from. So, yeah.

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01:26:58.739 --> 01:27:01.390
And so therefore it's interesting because when you say, because

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01:27:01.909 --> 01:27:03.649
the altar of Pergamon is linked to that mystery from

1573
01:27:03.670 --> 01:27:05.590
the beginning, the devil tried to put up that altar

1574
01:27:05.630 --> 01:27:08.789
of Zeus. Then, then, then his friend built the altar

1575
01:27:08.829 --> 01:27:11.210
of Pergamon. And now we got the altar of Pergamon

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01:27:11.250 --> 01:27:13.840
with all these evil things trying to against Israel.

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01:27:14.029 --> 01:27:14.220
Right.

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01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.819
And then the antichrist, you know, Now the Antichrist is

1579
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:21.520
going to defile that temple. He's going to be an abomination.

1580
01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:23.500
Now it's interesting. This is where I've never said this

1581
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:27.739
ever before. The amazing thing, and Bill, this is just

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01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.039
the last few days. I don't know what I put

1583
01:27:30.060 --> 01:27:34.239
in the book, but I'm looking at the abomination, the

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01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:36.800
first one that was the shadow, which is what happened

1585
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:40.979
in Daniel, which happened with Hanukkah. It wasn't even an idol.

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01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.600
It was the altar of Zeus, which then becomes the

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01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:48.699
altar of Pergamon, Abomination, you know, could this be linked

1588
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:52.039
to that final desecration? You know, the temple, everything we're

1589
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.920
talking about, because it is there. And I told you

1590
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.880
the Antichrist will undoubtedly have possession of the throne of Satan.

1591
01:27:58.659 --> 01:27:59.899
And the other thing is, if you go on the

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01:27:59.939 --> 01:28:03.060
Temple Mount today and you look and write what's over

1593
01:28:03.229 --> 01:28:06.609
where God's throne was, it's the Dome of the Rock.

1594
01:28:06.649 --> 01:28:07.390
The Dome of the Rock.

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01:28:07.430 --> 01:28:07.829
Yeah, right.

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01:28:07.850 --> 01:28:09.329
But if you look at the Dome of the Rock

1597
01:28:09.550 --> 01:28:12.949
and you look at the marble, the pieces that they

1598
01:28:13.010 --> 01:28:17.560
put in there, they didn't mean this. The marble forms

1599
01:28:17.819 --> 01:28:21.000
a very clear, you're looking at it, it's the face

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01:28:21.300 --> 01:28:26.539
of Satan staring at you with horns, with everything, right

1601
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.659
on there. You know, he said, I will put my throne,

1602
01:28:29.739 --> 01:28:33.569
I will sit where the Most High sits. Amazing. It's true.

1603
01:28:33.989 --> 01:28:36.229
And the entire history of the world has been affected

1604
01:28:36.270 --> 01:28:37.829
by it, and it will be affected. But let me just,

1605
01:28:38.050 --> 01:28:39.149
let me bring it to a good thing.

1606
01:28:39.170 --> 01:28:41.279
Well, let me... just say this. It's interesting because you

1607
01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:44.220
talk about, he says he's going to sit where the

1608
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.569
Most High sits. Well, now we've gone from when he

1609
01:28:47.609 --> 01:28:50.569
was kicked out of heaven, he exalted himself five times

1610
01:28:50.649 --> 01:28:53.170
and wanted to be above God. Now he's willing to

1611
01:28:53.250 --> 01:28:55.979
compromise and say, I want to be as God, and

1612
01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:58.359
I will sit at the same level as God.

1613
01:28:58.779 --> 01:28:59.180
Yes.

1614
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:01.319
If I'm reading that and hearing that correctly.

1615
01:29:01.539 --> 01:29:04.199
Yeah, yeah. What did he say he's going to exalt?

1616
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:05.180
His throne.

1617
01:29:05.619 --> 01:29:05.880
Yes.

1618
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:06.800
Throne of Satan.

1619
01:29:07.220 --> 01:29:07.439
Yes.

1620
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:10.590
And so to bring this home, you know, listen, every

1621
01:29:10.619 --> 01:29:12.529
book of mine ends with hope and ends with a charge.

1622
01:29:12.789 --> 01:29:14.850
And here's the thing. Listen, this is why I'm also

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01:29:14.890 --> 01:29:17.510
praying that people watching, don't just get it for yourself.

1624
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Get it for people in your life who need to

1625
01:29:19.529 --> 01:29:21.800
be saved. Because they're going to be drawn into it.

1626
01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.479
It's a story. But it's going to show how real

1627
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:27.699
God is, how real his word is, and then how

1628
01:29:27.739 --> 01:29:30.140
we have to get saved. Because it all goes right

1629
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:33.220
to salvation. Right on. Okay, so the thing is this. Listen,

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if God, if the enemy is real, and the devil

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is very real, look, it's almost destroyed the world. I mean,

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01:29:38.130 --> 01:29:40.880
it's not real. Then God is even more real. And

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it means every word of the Bible. Look, this whole

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01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:45.199
thing comes from Revelation where it talks about this. And

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look what it reveals, how incredible the word of God is.

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You know, it's real. Every promise is real. And, you know,

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01:29:51.729 --> 01:29:54.909
the devil's fighting God because, you know, he has his

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own altar because he hates God's altar. You know what

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God's altar is? The cross. It doesn't take life. He

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gives life. You know, it's our beautiful God who gives

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us life. That's where we've got to come to. That's

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01:30:05.619 --> 01:30:08.159
what overcomes the devil. And it says they will overcome

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him by the blood of the Lamb, you know. And remember,

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01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.420
the devil's been trying to destroy Israel for over thousands

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01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:17.579
of years, but all those powers are gone. But Israel

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01:30:17.619 --> 01:30:20.729
still lives because God lives, because Messiah lives, and we're

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going to live. We prevail, we win in the end,

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but be strong. The fight is real, but if you fight,

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you're going to win. So if I could just say, listen,

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01:30:28.329 --> 01:30:30.489
I just say, it should be, the altar program is

1651
01:30:30.529 --> 01:30:32.489
just coming out now, but you'll get it anywhere if

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01:30:32.510 --> 01:30:36.329
they go online. Now, Amazon, anywhere, it's going to be there.

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01:30:37.020 --> 01:30:38.680
If you go to any bookstore in a moment, it's

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01:30:38.699 --> 01:30:41.159
going to be there. But again, think about people in

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01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:44.739
your life who need to get saved. There's a story there.

1656
01:30:44.779 --> 01:30:47.619
It's a thriller. But there's so much more. Even though

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01:30:48.060 --> 01:30:50.560
Bill is so gracious, he gives me the time to

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01:30:50.590 --> 01:30:52.989
get into all these things, we just touch the surface.

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01:30:53.010 --> 01:30:54.449
There's so much more to this mystery.

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01:30:55.029 --> 01:30:58.609
Right, exactly. As you said, the book reveals, what, over

1661
01:30:58.609 --> 01:30:58.949
200 mysteries?

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01:30:58.970 --> 01:30:59.609
We counted about 200 mysteries.

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01:30:59.649 --> 01:30:59.770
Wow.

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Like I said, put on your seatbelt and your crash helmet.

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Rabbi is always an honor.

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01:31:09.430 --> 01:31:10.149
It looks like this.

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01:31:10.670 --> 01:31:10.850
Yes.

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01:31:10.869 --> 01:31:14.510
Yeah, it looks like this. The mystery of the dark angel.

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01:31:14.550 --> 01:31:16.840
So if you see that anywhere, you got it.

1670
01:31:17.270 --> 01:31:19.579
Yeah, so you want to run to it. Run to it.

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01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.640
Get your hands on it. Get your neighbor. Run with

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your neighbor, your family members, because this is going to

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01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:31.550
all these things that are happening. Because the number one question, Rabbi,

1674
01:31:31.569 --> 01:31:34.399
the number one question I get, Is God judging us?

1675
01:31:35.619 --> 01:31:39.539
Yeah, well, we are certainly in danger of judgment and

1676
01:31:40.180 --> 01:31:42.739
under that. And as any nation that has been so

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01:31:42.779 --> 01:31:45.659
blessed as America has been, we've been blessed for as

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01:31:45.699 --> 01:31:47.119
much as we follow God and as much as we

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01:31:47.149 --> 01:31:49.779
blessed Israel or the Jewish people, that's a law. But

1680
01:31:49.810 --> 01:31:51.590
if we've turned away, we're turning away from one and

1681
01:31:51.619 --> 01:31:53.609
now we're in danger of turning away from the other,

1682
01:31:54.010 --> 01:31:57.369
all bets are off. So yeah, and he also judges

1683
01:31:57.489 --> 01:32:00.960
us also correctively too, because in the sense that he

1684
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:03.220
allows things to happen to try to pull us back.

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01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:03.960
That's what he did with this.

1686
01:32:03.979 --> 01:32:04.279
Exactly.

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01:32:04.300 --> 01:32:06.880
Bring us back. So there is already that happening. You know,

1688
01:32:06.939 --> 01:32:09.659
things are, everybody senses things are not right. Everybody senses

1689
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.420
it's not like it was. Things are not right. There's

1690
01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:14.819
something brewing and there's something not right. Cause when you

1691
01:32:14.850 --> 01:32:16.550
take God out, it's never going to be right. So

1692
01:32:16.590 --> 01:32:19.050
he allows it in his mercy to call us back

1693
01:32:19.449 --> 01:32:21.729
only when there's no more hope. That's it. You know?

1694
01:32:21.810 --> 01:32:23.670
So yeah, we need revival.

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Right.

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Amen.

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Uh, preceded by repentance because we had.

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To know you can't have revival without repentance.

1699
01:32:30.829 --> 01:32:34.220
Exactly rabbi jonathan khan the book the altar of pergamon

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the mystery of the dark angel and the future of

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the world rabbi always thank you so much god bless.

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Hey, good morning. Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here.

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And we're here to talk about, I know it's Labor

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Day weekend and some of you are thinking, oh my,

1754
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you know, I got plans. So, you know, wife, you know,

1755
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wants to get away and, you know, there's lots of

1756
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pressure and we're saying, hey, don't feel overwhelmed because Robert

1757
01:36:31.060 --> 01:36:34.229
Castro here, he's with Vice President for Scenic Group USA

1758
01:36:34.279 --> 01:36:37.550
and Latin America. And he's got some practical advice for

1759
01:36:37.949 --> 01:36:40.510
us travelers looking to make the most of last minute

1760
01:36:40.569 --> 01:36:43.430
Labor Day escape deal. And they are there, right, Robert?

1761
01:36:44.069 --> 01:36:47.329
Yeah, definitely. It's a great time to be shopping for

1762
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your next vacation. And while it may be a little

1763
01:36:50.050 --> 01:36:51.649
bit of a challenge to get to some of the

1764
01:36:51.750 --> 01:36:55.010
closer in last minute, there's some opportunities here and there.

1765
01:36:55.409 --> 01:36:58.939
But of course, we're thinking of when's our next possible vacation. So,

1766
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.260
of course, the holidays are approaching quickly. Christmas markets is

1767
01:37:03.500 --> 01:37:06.680
a hot destination to go to along Christmas. the Rhine,

1768
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:09.460
the Moselle, and the Danube Rivers in Europe to see

1769
01:37:09.500 --> 01:37:13.449
those historic Christmas markets. It's really magical getting to wake

1770
01:37:13.489 --> 01:37:15.229
up in a different city every day on board our

1771
01:37:15.250 --> 01:37:19.789
beautiful vessels between Scenic and Emerald. There's still some space available,

1772
01:37:19.850 --> 01:37:22.250
not a lot, but we have some great opportunities for

1773
01:37:22.270 --> 01:37:24.569
guests to be able to go. Plan those trips now,

1774
01:37:24.590 --> 01:37:27.619
especially if you're in a last-minute getaway now for Labor Day,

1775
01:37:27.939 --> 01:37:29.220
or if you missed out and you're having a little

1776
01:37:29.239 --> 01:37:32.279
bit of remorse. Everyone's together for the weekend. Let's just

1777
01:37:32.300 --> 01:37:35.619
plan it out and think about not just... of December timeframe,

1778
01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:38.600
but thinking about next year, because 27, we have to

1779
01:37:38.619 --> 01:37:40.819
start thinking already what's the most important thing to do.

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01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:42.760
We have to plan our vacations. We have to recharge.

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We have to disconnect. And there's a great, big, beautiful

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01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:46.119
world out there to discover.

1783
01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:48.220
Well, Robert, you know, that's the thing that a lot

1784
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:50.659
of travelers will say is I should have done this sooner. But,

1785
01:37:50.729 --> 01:37:53.159
you know, once you get started, though, it starts, you know,

1786
01:37:53.430 --> 01:37:55.750
you kind of get the bug, right? And you start

1787
01:37:55.810 --> 01:37:58.329
thinking of the possibilities. And, you know, this is what's

1788
01:37:58.369 --> 01:38:01.229
so great with, you know, Sina Group USA and Latin

1789
01:38:01.270 --> 01:38:02.329
America have to offer us.

1790
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:05.439
For sure. I think it's not just the first trip.

1791
01:38:05.470 --> 01:38:07.350
You have to think of the next three trips because

1792
01:38:08.930 --> 01:38:11.130
lives get involved. There's so many things to do, but

1793
01:38:11.149 --> 01:38:13.090
also you want to take advantage of if there's a

1794
01:38:13.109 --> 01:38:16.569
special limited time opportunity or promotion available. So right now

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01:38:16.609 --> 01:38:18.890
we do have our Labor Day bonus savings and we're

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offering an additional up to $ 250 bonus savings on selected

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itineraries now through the 14th of September. So it's a

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01:38:26.470 --> 01:38:29.270
great time to start planning, bringing folks together. But aside

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01:38:29.289 --> 01:38:32.029
from that, we have really created a great program with

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01:38:32.069 --> 01:38:34.829
our pricing fairs And we have our select fare, which

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offers up to 10% off. And then we have our

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01:38:36.869 --> 01:38:40.149
preferred fare, which is that 10%. Plus, you get an

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01:38:40.210 --> 01:38:43.840
additional bonus. And that could include either on our river cruises,

1804
01:38:43.939 --> 01:38:46.500
free airfare to Europe. Or if you're doing some of

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01:38:46.539 --> 01:38:50.399
our yacht cruises, you could qualify for up to $ 5, 000

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01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:51.810
air credit to book air through us. So a lot

1807
01:38:51.829 --> 01:38:53.229
of the details that you have to think about is

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01:38:53.270 --> 01:38:56.710
all taken care of. Notwithstanding that, within any of our fairs,

1809
01:38:56.729 --> 01:39:01.609
you have, of course, many things included, things like gratuities, Wi-Fi, excursions.

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01:39:01.869 --> 01:39:04.449
Just depending on the brand depends on the level of inclusivity.

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01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:08.619
With Scenic being truly all-inclusive and Emerald having some of

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01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:09.840
our great comforts included.

1813
01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:14.239
Well, when you're facing a situation and you're booking on

1814
01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:17.319
a short notice, because some people are going, oh, maybe,

1815
01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.159
you know, is it too late for me to book

1816
01:39:19.310 --> 01:39:22.189
something on this Labor Day weekend? Because here it is,

1817
01:39:22.229 --> 01:39:24.090
you know, it's Friday, we got the weekend coming in,

1818
01:39:24.130 --> 01:39:28.770
and you're saying, hey, look, just relax, you know. But

1819
01:39:29.090 --> 01:39:33.670
when it comes to prioritizing, what's the first step they

1820
01:39:33.689 --> 01:39:34.109
should take?

1821
01:39:35.050 --> 01:39:37.579
Well, of course, the sooner you want to travel, there's

1822
01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:39.060
some things you're going to have to think about in

1823
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:41.960
terms of give and take. Because, of course, there's a

1824
01:39:42.020 --> 01:39:46.060
lot less availability, so closer in. So, again, this comes

1825
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:48.840
back to if you missed out, don't miss the next

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01:39:49.060 --> 01:39:52.439
big trip opportunity and start planning early. But it is

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01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:54.590
a great time to think of now for those things.

1828
01:39:54.909 --> 01:39:56.529
You have to balance, of course, how you're going to

1829
01:39:56.569 --> 01:39:58.350
get there. Is this something that's going to be domestic

1830
01:39:58.670 --> 01:40:00.430
or is it something you have to go internationally? A

1831
01:40:00.489 --> 01:40:02.649
lot of our trips are international trips that you have

1832
01:40:02.670 --> 01:40:04.539
to travel to Europe or other parts of the world.

1833
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.579
And so you have to factor in being able to

1834
01:40:06.619 --> 01:40:09.680
get there, the number of hours or sometimes days, because

1835
01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:12.220
depending on the destination, you may have to travel for

1836
01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:14.699
a full day to get there. And then more importantly,

1837
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.939
because there's limited availability, you may not always have the

1838
01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:19.720
access you want to the type of room that you want.

1839
01:40:19.739 --> 01:40:23.100
So maybe you were dead set on getting perhaps a

1840
01:40:23.140 --> 01:40:26.460
balcony or a veranda suite, but they only have maybe

1841
01:40:26.500 --> 01:40:29.039
a junior suite. Or maybe they only have a Swanview room,

1842
01:40:29.060 --> 01:40:31.659
which only has a window on our river ships, as

1843
01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:36.039
an example. So with it, yes, there are opportunities close in,

1844
01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.119
but there is going to be some limitations to what

1845
01:40:39.140 --> 01:40:41.659
you can or cannot do because, of course, waiting until

1846
01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:46.220
the last minute. That being said... Um, you know, it's, you,

1847
01:40:46.260 --> 01:40:48.300
we think December's around the corner, there's still time and

1848
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.640
there's still some availability in those things. So if you

1849
01:40:50.659 --> 01:40:52.810
want to make sure that the November, December timeframe, you

1850
01:40:52.850 --> 01:40:55.390
want to travel it, the time is now because it's

1851
01:40:55.409 --> 01:40:56.390
going to be here before you know it. And you

1852
01:40:56.409 --> 01:40:58.649
still have some, some chances to not only take the

1853
01:40:58.689 --> 01:41:01.550
opportunity to book what you want, but also take advantage of,

1854
01:41:01.869 --> 01:41:05.069
of some availability between your cabin or a stateroom type.

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01:41:06.010 --> 01:41:08.470
As well as access to some of the promotions available.

1856
01:41:09.270 --> 01:41:11.170
Well, we're talking with Robert Castro, the vice president for

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01:41:11.210 --> 01:41:17.050
scenic grips, USA and Latin America. Robert, flexibility, huh? Flexibility

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can help, especially in last minute situations, right? So the

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more flexible you are, maybe that opens up some dates

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and destinations and some options, right?

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01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.800
Indeed, the flexibility as you're thinking of last minute travel,

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01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:33.590
you may think of, okay, I'm going to travel from

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Sunday to Sunday. There may not be something available, but

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you know what, maybe there's a Tuesday to Tuesday situation.

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Sometimes you have to think outside of the box because

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01:41:40.529 --> 01:41:43.329
we think very linearly. My week works from Sunday to Sunday,

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01:41:43.710 --> 01:41:46.890
but working with either your travel advisor or calling one

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01:41:46.909 --> 01:41:49.710
of our personal travel concierges, to look and see, okay,

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what are the options available in terms of sail dates?

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01:41:51.729 --> 01:41:55.039
We have sailings going out almost every day. And that

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01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:57.779
may also open up access to you to be able

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01:41:57.819 --> 01:42:00.060
to travel on those days that have maybe a more

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01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:02.220
favorable airfare to get to these destinations.

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Right.

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01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.539
So how do you find these experiences that still feel special,

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01:42:06.939 --> 01:42:09.229
even when the trip comes together at the last.

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Minute, Robert?

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Well, I think you have to look at also the operator.

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So thankfully for us, all our cruises do provide whether

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it's on the Emerald brand or the Scenic brand, they

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01:42:19.850 --> 01:42:22.409
provide a number of unique opportunities for guests to enjoy.

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01:42:22.829 --> 01:42:24.590
And I think we have to satisfy a few things

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01:42:24.670 --> 01:42:26.989
on a trip. First and foremost, you're going on vacation.

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01:42:27.590 --> 01:42:29.329
So what's the number one thing you're doing on vacation?

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01:42:29.409 --> 01:42:31.829
You're breaking the norm. You want to relax. You want

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01:42:31.850 --> 01:42:35.170
to disconnect. And so that is paramount to all that

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01:42:35.189 --> 01:42:38.010
we do. Secondly, of course, is what experiences are you

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01:42:38.029 --> 01:42:40.909
going to have? Thankfully, at Scenic Group, we pride ourselves

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01:42:40.949 --> 01:42:44.390
on the experiences we provide our guests. From the culinary perspective,

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01:42:44.909 --> 01:42:47.880
where they do, we do a lot of local sourcing.

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01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.020
On a river ship, for example, you will see that

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01:42:51.100 --> 01:42:53.779
a lot of times we provide even an experience for

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01:42:53.819 --> 01:42:56.279
guests to go shopping with the chef to see what

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01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.890
is in season. And that makes its way on board

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01:42:58.930 --> 01:43:00.729
and you see it later that night on the menu.

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01:43:01.729 --> 01:43:03.210
And then, of course, we get down to what are

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01:43:03.229 --> 01:43:05.369
you going to experience once you arrive at the destination?

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01:43:05.899 --> 01:43:08.539
Being able to arrive by a river ship and even,

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01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.939
of course, our intimate yachts that allow you access to

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01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:14.560
ports that are not easily accessible by the larger ships.

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01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.720
It's being able to get to the center of town,

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01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.279
to the center of the heart of the city. And

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01:43:20.350 --> 01:43:23.130
more importantly, it's what activities are there there. There's a

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01:43:23.170 --> 01:43:26.729
number of opportunities, whether it's your traditional motor coach tour

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01:43:26.770 --> 01:43:29.170
where you go on a tour bus, you reach a destination,

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01:43:29.229 --> 01:43:32.449
you may visit a historical landmark. There's also a number

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01:43:32.470 --> 01:43:35.260
of walking tours that allow you to go experience it firsthand,

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01:43:35.350 --> 01:43:37.539
walking from place to place in the city. And then,

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01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:40.180
of course, there's also a level of flexibility. Our ships

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01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.460
have bikes and e-bikes you can check out to go

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01:43:42.539 --> 01:43:45.500
exploring on your own. So a level of activity that

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01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.939
you want, you can definitely manage there. And more importantly,

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01:43:48.979 --> 01:43:51.699
that allows you time to breathe and enjoy it. There's

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01:43:51.739 --> 01:43:54.060
so much hustle and bustle. Thankfully, because of the intimate

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01:43:54.100 --> 01:43:56.619
nature of our ships, you're not worried about like, oh

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01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:58.199
my God, I have to move with the crowd. No,

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01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:01.329
you know, at our largest, our largest Emerald River ship

1918
01:44:01.369 --> 01:44:05.369
is 180 guests. Our scenic yacht is 220 guests. When

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01:44:05.529 --> 01:44:10.569
Scenic Icon comes online, it'll be 270. So this is

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01:44:10.630 --> 01:44:13.800
not hordes of people. This is small intimate groups. And

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01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:16.180
especially if you're traveling with friends, you have your little cluster,

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01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:18.279
you make your travel friends on board. You get to

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01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:20.220
hang out at the lounge. Maybe you're sitting in the

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01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:23.520
sun deck. getting the views. I mean, I think one

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01:44:23.539 --> 01:44:26.979
of the coolest experiences that we have to offer, and

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01:44:27.020 --> 01:44:30.279
that's on both brands, is that we have, when you're

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01:44:30.310 --> 01:44:33.630
standing on the Danube, between Durstein and Melk. So Melk

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01:44:33.649 --> 01:44:37.510
has this beautiful abbey that's been, you know, carefully kept

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01:44:37.550 --> 01:44:39.930
and restored for so many years. And you may arrive

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01:44:39.989 --> 01:44:42.609
in Melk in the morning and go to the abbey,

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01:44:42.729 --> 01:44:47.279
see the wonderful tour. Again, it's iconic Europe, very, you know,

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01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:49.880
picture postcard. And then you get back on board and

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01:44:49.899 --> 01:44:52.439
you have one of two options. You can either stay

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01:44:52.500 --> 01:44:54.899
on board and either from the view from your room

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01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:57.659
or stay on the, on the sky deck and sail

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01:44:57.819 --> 01:45:00.279
along the Danube on the way to Durstein. But some

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01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:02.779
folks actually make it an excursion and they get on

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01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:06.560
the e-bikes and they bike to Durstein and they meet. Oh, wow.

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01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:07.270
That's great.

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01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:08.010
They can do that.

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01:45:08.020 --> 01:45:10.750
Really experiencing Europe in that very, you know, it's a

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01:45:10.770 --> 01:45:12.710
very structured manner, but that's the ability to be able

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01:45:12.729 --> 01:45:13.890
to do that. And we take care of all those

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01:45:13.909 --> 01:45:15.750
details for you. You're not worried about like, do I

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01:45:15.770 --> 01:45:17.930
need to book at something extra? We have those things

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01:45:17.970 --> 01:45:20.149
for you. Your cruise director takes care of those things.

1947
01:45:20.789 --> 01:45:23.449
On the flip side, if you're on one of our yachts,

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01:45:23.899 --> 01:45:26.439
you could have a morning excursion that day. It could

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01:45:26.460 --> 01:45:30.340
be maybe Saint-Tropez or maybe you're in the Caribbean. But then,

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01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:32.720
you know what, in the afternoon, they deploy the marina

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01:45:32.939 --> 01:45:35.300
and you're enjoying the marina in all its splendor. It's

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01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:38.659
like your own private yacht with 99 of your closest

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01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:41.420
friends that you have on board and really living the

1954
01:45:41.460 --> 01:45:44.439
life because, again, Part of being on vacation is we're

1955
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:51.680
so over-programmed between work, school, taking care of family, kids, grandkids, relatives,

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01:45:52.300 --> 01:45:54.140
go to the doctor, make sure all those things are

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01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:56.640
going on that sometimes these vacations are more necessary than

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01:45:56.659 --> 01:45:58.579
we think because we have to break the routine. We

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01:45:58.619 --> 01:46:01.979
have to recharge. And it's really what you want to

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01:46:02.010 --> 01:46:06.109
consider your vacation ROI because we're asking of you of

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01:46:06.149 --> 01:46:09.489
your two most important assets, time and, of course, your investment.

1962
01:46:10.100 --> 01:46:12.319
But vacation ROI is the one investment you're going to

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01:46:12.340 --> 01:46:14.159
get so much more out of because when you go

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01:46:14.180 --> 01:46:16.399
to your vacation, the whole point is that you come

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01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:21.199
back a more rejuvenated, more recharged person. It's the true luxury.

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01:46:21.220 --> 01:46:23.800
A lot of people look at luxury in many different aspects.

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01:46:23.859 --> 01:46:28.699
It could be marble bathrooms. It could be Swarovski crystal chandeliers.

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01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:33.319
But imagine the luxury, especially in the busy day-to-day that

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01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.239
so many Americans have of being able to have that

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01:46:36.300 --> 01:46:38.229
moment to sit and have your coffee in the balcony

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01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:41.220
of your room, Your phone is not ringing. You're not

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01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:44.500
checking your email. You're just enjoying the moment.

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01:46:45.020 --> 01:46:46.590
Yeah. Yeah.

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01:46:46.619 --> 01:46:48.750
Can't you do that? I mean, can't you just give

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01:46:48.770 --> 01:46:53.289
yourself the gift of that kind of decompression and relaxation?

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01:46:54.270 --> 01:46:55.609
You know, I got to tell you, Robert, you know,

1977
01:46:55.630 --> 01:46:58.449
for many years, I was so type A driven. I

1978
01:46:58.489 --> 01:47:00.270
used to tell people, I haven't been on vacation for

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01:47:00.310 --> 01:47:02.609
eight years. And what a ridiculous thing. I thought about

1980
01:47:02.649 --> 01:47:05.090
it because when I started going back and like you said,

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01:47:05.529 --> 01:47:09.140
one of the smartest things was, you know, planning vacations,

1982
01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:11.479
you know, two, three times out, just like you suggested.

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01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:14.260
That's great, you know, and why not? Because it gets

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01:47:14.340 --> 01:47:17.430
on the calendar, and guess what? Because your calendar will

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01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:18.649
get filled up from other things.

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Super fast.

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01:47:19.710 --> 01:47:24.010
Right? So, well, as we wrap things up, Robert, again,

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01:47:24.069 --> 01:47:26.789
these are great ideas. How can they be in touch?

1989
01:47:28.210 --> 01:47:32.319
Very easy. You can visit our websites. You can visit scenic.cruises

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01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:36.279
or emerald.cruises. We have a very simple URL to follow.

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01:47:36.869 --> 01:47:39.140
And in there you could check out all our itineraries.

1992
01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:42.779
We have a great combination of river cruises and not

1993
01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:45.430
just European river cruises. We also have some great cruises

1994
01:47:45.489 --> 01:47:48.720
in Asia. Not limited to just the Mekong, we're now

1995
01:47:48.819 --> 01:47:50.479
also on the Scenic brand. We are going to start

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01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:53.159
sailing in India on the Huli River, which is pretty cool.

1997
01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:55.680
And then, of course, we have our beautiful ocean yachts.

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01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.390
And we also have a selection of land tours available that, again,

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01:47:59.430 --> 01:48:01.409
for those folks that may not be ready to go

2000
01:48:01.590 --> 01:48:04.750
on a cruise or want to try a more curated

2001
01:48:04.810 --> 01:48:08.029
land experience, we do have those available as well. And then, thankfully,

2002
01:48:08.069 --> 01:48:11.270
because we are celebrating our 40th year this year, which

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01:48:11.300 --> 01:48:11.819
we're quite.

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01:48:11.689 --> 01:48:15.430
Excited about as organizations, We.

2005
01:48:15.289 --> 01:48:17.060
Do know all the places we go. We also know

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01:48:17.100 --> 01:48:19.210
where all our ships and all our tours are, and

2007
01:48:19.250 --> 01:48:21.229
you could actually, if you see a cruise and a

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01:48:21.270 --> 01:48:23.739
tour that you like there's uh quite a number of

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01:48:23.779 --> 01:48:25.760
combinations you could do where you could do some back-to-back

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01:48:25.779 --> 01:48:27.659
cruises or you could do a river cruise and a

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01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:30.220
yacht cruise combined or you could do a river land

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01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.640
uh and um ocean cruise all together so uh the

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01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:38.729
possibilities are really endless and You know, there's nothing wrong

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01:48:38.770 --> 01:48:41.550
with thinking of, okay, the next three vacations, or if

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01:48:41.609 --> 01:48:44.390
you have the time and you have the resources, especially

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01:48:44.430 --> 01:48:47.010
with our connectivity with having Starlink on board, you could

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01:48:47.050 --> 01:48:50.220
plan to be away for 30 days and really never

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01:48:50.260 --> 01:48:52.420
miss a beat because you'll be connected back home, but

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really have all the details taken care of.

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Don't tease me, Robert. I could do the radio show,

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01:48:57.220 --> 01:48:59.600
you know, from the ship or something. You totally can.

2022
01:49:00.260 --> 01:49:02.659
I did a WhatsApp call with my entire family. So

2023
01:49:02.699 --> 01:49:05.029
it was 10 people on a video WhatsApp call from

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01:49:05.069 --> 01:49:06.289
the premier channel in Antarctica.

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01:49:06.310 --> 01:49:06.390
Yeah.

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01:49:06.779 --> 01:49:09.859
And everyone was there fully connected with me and experiencing

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01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:12.159
it all the time. So you can be as close

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01:49:12.180 --> 01:49:13.899
to anyone as long as you have your device. But

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01:49:13.939 --> 01:49:16.239
more importantly, you can sit on the device and be

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01:49:16.300 --> 01:49:17.960
present in the place while you're on vacation.

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Robert Castro, thank you for being with us. He's the

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01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:23.600
vice president for Scenic Group USA and Latin America. Have

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01:49:23.619 --> 01:49:25.659
a great day. We'll see you on the.

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01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:26.119
Boat, huh?

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01:49:26.699 --> 01:49:28.239
For sure. We'd love to have you on board.

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