Aug. 28, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 08 28 26

The Bill Martinez Show 08 28 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 08 28 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, America. Glad you could join us six

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minutes after the top of the hour right now. I'm

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Bill Martinez, and from ATR, Mike Ballot joins us now. Hey, Mike,

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good morning to you.

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Good morning. Good to be with you.

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Hey, I was just checking at ATR.org. I love the website.

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And it's quite encouraging. Forty five examples of good news

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arising from Big Beautiful Bill's full business expensing provision. I mean,

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these are the receipts and the positive benefits that the

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Big Beautiful Bill continues to render to America and America's businesses,

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much to the shock and awe of the Democratic Party

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that wants to, you know, bust the bubble on anything

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that has to do with good news from the Trump administration.

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Right.

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That's exactly right. And these are, again, key provisions. The

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expensing provisions are really the workhorses for growth in the

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Trump tax cuts. If you're a business, this is essentially

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allowing you to recover the cost to reinvest in your

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own business. If you're a business buying a new truck,

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new equipment for your facility, for your factory, you can

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take that tax cut in year one, immediately deduct 100%

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of the cost of that investment in your business. And

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this is what's spurring growth. This is what's leading to

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higher wages for workers. increased business investment. It is fantastic

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for families. This alone is attributable to about over $ 2, 200

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of increased wages for workers on average because of this

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provision in the bill. Again, one of the many success

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stories of the Trump tax cuts that we're seeing, and

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of course, made permanent for businesses. They finally have that

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certainty that the tax code's not going to change on them,

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which is great and leads to longer-term growth.

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See, this is only something a businessman could come up with, right?

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I mean, this is the advantage of Donald Trump with

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his business acumen. The Democrats would never come up with

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something like this. I mean, remember when there was an

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advantage for businesses where there was going to be some cuts,

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and Nancy Pelosi, I can still hear her yelling and screaming,

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these people, these big businessmen, they're just going to put

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the money back in their pockets. And what happened? They

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put it back in their companies to capitalize their organizations

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and their businesses because that's what businesses do because they

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know it's about survival. And the other thing they did

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was they put it in the pockets of their employees,

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which all of a sudden Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats

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got a little quiet about that.

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Remember?

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Well, and I'd point out, too, that expensing specifically, this

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was such a key provision. It was originally passed in

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the first Trump tax cuts in 2017 that the Biden

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administration set to expire. have been decreasing every year under Biden.

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It was set to expire had we not gotten this

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tax bill. It would have been a massive tax increase

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on businesses. And in Americans for Tax Reform, the list

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you mentioned, we have 45 examples of companies announcing the

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job creation, the wage increases that they're giving to their workers,

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and the expanded investment that they're seeing, specifically in their

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own words because of this provision, because of these Trump

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tax cuts. So it's just massive for Americans. If we

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want to get back to building things in this country again,

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this is what it actually looks like.

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It's tax cuts.

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It's letting these businesses keep more of their own money

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so they can reinvest in themselves, expand their facilities, and

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of course, give pay increases to their workers to attract

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the best talent.

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See, all this builds a foundation, an infrastructure for growth.

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And this is, again, because of Trump's acumen and his leadership. See,

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this is what leadership does. Leadership takes you where you

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need to go. You may not see that you need

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to be there, but it casts the vision and then

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it gives you the key elemental parts in order to

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realize that. And, you know, and I just pray that

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America overall, I mean, forget about this TDS situation that

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is just, I mean, it's so counter growth and counter productivity.

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And it's such a waste of human energy to be

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so negative about stuff that you miss out on really

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a pending golden age, which I think would be bountiful

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for everybody, whether you're Republican, Democrat, or independent.

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Yeah, and we should still remember, as we're going closer

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to the election right now, it's pretty much the standard

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position of every Democrat to say that they're going to

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repeal the Trump tax cuts.

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Right.

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So what they're talking about is they're repealing this. This

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is something you would think every Democrat would do. Every

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politician you hope would be able to get behind this.

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But of course they're not. They see this as a

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bad thing.

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And we should remind ourselves of how harmful repealing the

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Trump tax cuts would.

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Be because we can see the success stories.

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We're seeing companies, all these companies, smaller companies across the

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country putting out these statements about how important it is

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to them and their workers. And the fact that Democrats

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under Biden were set to let this expire, that Kamala

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Harris campaigned on letting this expire, and that right now

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they're still on the campaign trail promising to repeal these

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Trump tax cuts. Another good thing I would highlight here

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is it might not seem like it at times, but

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we do have Republicans learn lessons. So in 2017, one

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of the crucial mistakes Republicans made was waiting to the

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end of Trump's first term in office to pass these

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Trump tax cuts, which meant that a lot of the

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provisions didn't kick in to nearly two years in office.

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This time around, they were able to pass the big,

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beautiful bill in July of the president's first year. So

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we had these provisions, for the most part, kicking back

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in at the beginning of this year, hitting the economy now.

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We're starting to see the success of growth. You're seeing

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these announcements of investment. And that's, I think, what's really

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been holding up our economy right now.

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Yeah.

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You know, Mike, this is all characteristic of, I would say,

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the party difference between the Republicans and Democrats that people

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need to see. Small businesses get it. They see this

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because it's almost transactional. I mean, you know, you pass

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this bill and they see the effect of it and

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they go, oh, wow, I can capitalize my... my business again.

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I can put more money in my employees' pockets. They're happy.

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They're staying with me longer. I mean, talk about employee retention.

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This is nothing but positive. Whereas the Democrats, whether it's

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Harris or the DSA likes in that AOC, their philosophical

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difference is they just believe that American businesses and the

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people associated with it They're just not smart enough to

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handle their own money. They need big government to lead

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the way. And it's been big government that has us now, what,

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at $ 40 trillion in debt?

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That's exactly right.

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And you look at what are they putting on the

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table that's anything but degrowth policies.

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Exactly.

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And what you're seeing here, you've got, I think, 48%

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of voters saying the economy is the top issue for

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them right now. That's growing compared to the 2024 election.

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And you see Republicans delivering real wins. You see President

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Trump putting wins.

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On the board.

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And again, all you have to do is just go

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look at these businesses and their workers and their own words,

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talking about how this is leading to higher wages for families,

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to expansion, reinvestment in the community. One of the statements

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we have from a small owned coffee company.

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In West Virginia.

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I love it.

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How these provisions allowed them to not only expand their

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own business, but to offer retirement benefits to their workers,

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and then actually reinvest in Main Street and allow other

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companies to come in that they're now renting properties to.

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So it's revitalizing the whole downtown of a community in

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West Virginia. And they're, in their own words, specifically citing

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the Trump tax cuts. It's great to see Republicans got

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to make sure voters know about these wins in the

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Trump tax cuts.

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Well, and who would have thought, Mike, that a small

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little coffee shop company could offer an employee package like this?

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Yeah, exactly. And what's causing it?

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By allowing the government to get out of their way,

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to stop digging into their pockets, to make sure that

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the money that they're generating, the profit they're making, is

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getting reinvested in their company and their workers, rather than

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sent off to D.C., to continue, you know, the $ 40

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trillion deficit we were talking about.

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Right. Well, and I like what, you know, what Amazon's

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founder had to say, Jeff Bezos, when he was, you know,

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maligned about not putting more money into the government, which,

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you know, it's like, do you realize how much money

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he already pays in taxes? That aside, but you get

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some of these, you know, greedy maniacs that don't understand

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how business works. And he made it quite simple, Mike.

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He said, look, I could give the government more money,

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but yet if I invest it in my company and

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other companies, I can do a lot more in terms

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of job growth and investment than the government can do.

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I think that pretty much, you know, says it all.

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Well, look, we're talking with Mike Pallitz from Americans for

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Tax Reform. And Mike, again, I'm so grateful for all

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the great work that you guys are doing. And I

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want to direct our audience, you know, to check out ATR.org.

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You know, read it for yourself. You can hear it

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in the language and in the testimonies of these small businesses,

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which are the absolute backbone of our industry and the

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backbone of the future of America if we're going to

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realize another 250 years, God willing, right?

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Absolutely. And again, this is, I think, the spirit of America.

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It's innovation. It's entrepreneurship.

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And as long as we're maintaining limited government focus, we're

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cutting taxes for folks, we're letting them thrive. And I

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think we're starting to see these success stories take place

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right now. It's been great to have this all provided

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certainty for businesses in America's 250th birthday.

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Well, in light of that, again, President Trump and congressional

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Republicans made the 20% small business tax deduction permanent, and

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Main Street businesses are already showing what that means in

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the real world, which is another chapter of what these

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policies by Republicans and President Trump are doing for small businesses, right?

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Absolutely.

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If you're a small business owner, this is the number

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one thing you were probably tracking and hoping that would

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get across the finish line in Washington, D.C. And of course,

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the Trump administration delivered on this. Small businesses, sole proprietorships, anyone,

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you know, the small businesses who are paying taxes through

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the individual side of the tax code, which means they

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could see a 37% top income tax rate. Would have

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been 39.6% had the tax cuts expired. 40% just sent

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to the federal government is nuts that we would tax

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anyone's dollar at that high.

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Thankfully, we were able to get rates lower.

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And these small individually owned businesses, they can now deduct

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20% of their business income.

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This is massive for them.

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It's something that lets them compete with larger corporations, have

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an effectively low tax rate.

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And of course, as we were just discussing, as crucial.

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As expensing is for the whole economy, letting these small

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businesses deduct 20% of their business income, that is keeping

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so much money in the business. And again, these success

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stories where we have 10 examples of these small companies

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across the country talking about how important this was for them.

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You're talking in some states where over 99% of the

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businesses in a state are sold proprietorships or paying taxes

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through the individual side of the tax code.

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So this is the tax cut for Main Street.

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It's delivering such huge wins in reinvestment in communities.

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Well, and as you state, Mike, this isn't some sort

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of ethereal or abstract debate about the tax code. I mean,

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these are bottom line dollars that are making a difference

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right now for these small business owners, right?

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Absolutely.

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And again, you look at the contrast we have here

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when Democrats talk about, oh, we're only going to raise

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taxes on the top rate, which is one a lie

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because they don't finish the sentence.

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They're going to come after you next.

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But when they make it sound like they're going to

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only raise taxes on wealthy individuals, what they're talking about

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is raising taxes on every individually owned business in America

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who are paying taxes. So they want to pretend it's

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only billionaires paying 40%.

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Well, those guys are actually usually.

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Have investment income and they're not paying the individual income

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tax rates. Who is paying those Businesses, people who employ people.

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It's every small business in Main Street America. And again,

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the contrast you have between Republicans and the Trump administration

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delivering this massive tax cut, allowing them to reinvest versus

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Democrats who are out there promising to hike taxes on them.

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I think it's a stark contrast. And it's great, again,

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to have the sense of permanency for these small businesses.

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You're a small business. You can't afford to have lobbyists

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in D.C.

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You can't have them tracking the way larger corporations are

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legislation in D.C. So deliver this permanency for them to them,

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have that certainty to allow them to plan and invest

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and expand off of their employees, increased wages, retirement benefits.

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Great to see. And it's great that we have it

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all tracked at Americans for Tax Reform.

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I mean, the math is simple, isn't it? I mean,

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when it's honest, because, you know, when you look at

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it straight up, I mean, taxes continue as you and Grover,

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especially Grover, has been shouting from the rooftops. It is

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a it's a killer. On all levels, you know, it

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just takes money out of the hardworking people of America.

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And look what they do with it. You know, they

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leave us with a $ 40 trillion debt that, you know,

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is a generational, you know, debt, you know, arbitrage around

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the necks of every working American man and woman in

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our country today. And not just them, but their progeny.

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And I think And again, like when we're talking about,

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you know, these are tough guy, blue collar businesses that

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are benefiting from this. I'll pull up one example here.

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It's an asphalt company in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, has just

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35 employees. And they're attributing specifically the Trump tax cuts,

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specifically the small business 20 percent deduction. It's allowing them

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to update their equipment, allow them to keep their employees,

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giving them pay raises in a safer and easier training

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route for new hires. So all this expansion is specifically

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attributed to the term tax cuts. It's great to see.

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It's great to see these businesses so excited, and it

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means so much to them that they're putting out these

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statements and making it public.

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And what some of these companies are providing are the

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very things that we've been needing, right? Aluminum, some steel development,

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critical infrastructure elements that we need that is going to

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be on the backs of our future growth. You can't

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make this happen without that, right?

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Absolutely. It's the full economy.

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Our list contains manufacturing facilities, brewers, construction companies, all things

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allowing us to get back to building things in this country.

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These are amazing success stories. This is what it means

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when we're cutting taxes for people. It's led these people

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live out their dreams, letting them continue to build out

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and succeed in their communities. And of course, higher workers

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giving families more money in their pockets. That's what this

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entire tax cut was about. And it's great to see

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this hitting the economy now and seeing this growth start

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to impact the American economy.

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You know, the other thing I love about what you've

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done here, Mike, is that you're encouraging other small business owners.

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You know, you may not be one of the small

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businesses that are listed here. You know, there's only 45 examples.

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You guys could have probably kept on going, you know,

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for months on this and have been well beyond 45.

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But for other small business owners to say, you know,

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I'm in the hardware business. And I'm reading about BNW.

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That encourages me. That gives me some hope, especially after,

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you know, the years, the four years of Biden and

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eight years of Obama that crushed small businesses, right?

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Yeah.

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And you think that's the mentality. It's back to Obama.

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You didn't build this mentality. Completely contrary to what you're

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seeing in these statements. You're seeing small business owners again with,

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you know, ranging to one example, which is 35 employees.

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It's a difference to them. It's allowing them to live

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out their American dream. Without these provisions, if you enacted

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the tax hikes Democrats are campaigning on right now, it's

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the difference between life and death for these companies. It's

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great to see them talk about how important it is

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to not just their business, but their communities and the

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families and the workers they employ as well.

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Yeah, and I mean, it covers all the personalities. I

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love Peg Leg Parker.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a great story. But, you know, this is, again,

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part of the tapestry of this great American experiment that

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we've been blessed with for 250 years. Everyday men and women,

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I mean, just out there living their dream. And if

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you get the government out of the way, what they

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can do with all their hard work and their dedication,

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to me, I think we're so blessed. And to put

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it at risk and to put it in danger right now,

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is a shame.

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I think a great example we always like to point

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out that's a fun one to talk about, to even

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get at how this impacts consumers. When you get the

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government out of the way, you allow innovation to take place.

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We had one donut company specifically selling the Trump tax

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cuts for the invention of a new donut because they

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were allowed to buy new equipment for their facility, allowed

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them to inject, I think, a new type of jelly

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into their normal ring donut So let's say we got

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a new donut out of this because of the Trump

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tax cuts. But that's just one of the many stories

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you're seeing these businesses tell. And it's fun to share.

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And these are the stories we need to get out

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to let voters know just how important these Trump tax

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cuts are and the wins they're delivering for the American people.

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Yeah, you look at it in light of what this big,

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beautiful bill has done versus what the DSA and the

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Democratic Party is offering and going, what? How can you,

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I mean, do you hate Trump so much? Do you hate,

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you know, success so much that you would shoot yourself

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in the foot in spite of what, you know, both

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teams are offering here? I mean, I'm sorry, I just

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don't get it, Mike.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And right, that's, the Democrats love to be vague about

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the taxes that they would raise. They make it sound

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like they're only going to hit the wealthy. And again,

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this is you only have to see these success stories.

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This is what Democrats would reverse. All these stories of entrepreneurship,

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of job creation, benefit retirements.

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This is what Democrats would repeal.

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That's what they mean when they say we're going to

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repeal the Trump tax cuts, which is what Kamala Harris

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campaigned on, which is what Jalisco in Texas right now

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is campaigning on, what El Said in Michigan is campaigning on.

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This is what they're talking about. It's coming out and

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punching businesses in the face, killing jobs. That's a real

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threat we have to take seriously.

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Without a doubt. Mike Pallance, he's ATR's tax policy director.

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Thank you, Mike. Take care. Have a great day.

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Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here with the Manhattan-based Fox

513
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News contributor, DeRoy Murdoch. Hey, DeRoy, how we doing?

514
00:27:37.430 --> 00:27:38.509
I'm great, Bill.

515
00:27:38.529 --> 00:27:38.829
How are you?

516
00:27:39.230 --> 00:27:43.819
Hey, doing terrific. So you're on the West Coast with Gavin.

517
00:27:43.930 --> 00:27:48.900
Are you doing lunch with Gavin at, you know, what

518
00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:50.799
was his famous restaurant you like?

519
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:52.059
No, it was the French Laundry.

520
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.500
Oh, the French Laundry. That's it.

521
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:56.700
Yeah, no, we did jello shots last night. So I

522
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.059
just sleep in a little bit this morning, unfortunately. But

523
00:27:59.259 --> 00:28:01.539
Gavin says hello. I'm sure you send your love too.

524
00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:02.200
Yeah.

525
00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:07.269
All my, all my best regards and everything. I'm telling you. Well, uh,

526
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.289
I'll tell you, you know, the thing is, is that, um, it's,

527
00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:13.009
it's amazing because as we're getting closer to the midterms,

528
00:28:13.069 --> 00:28:15.470
I know people are freaking out, but you know, the

529
00:28:15.509 --> 00:28:18.930
DSA is doing everything they can to upend the democratic

530
00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:21.799
party and the democratic party is doing everything they can

531
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:22.599
to accommodate them.

532
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:24.220
Yeah.

533
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:30.450
It's sort of like, uh, You're seeing somebody attacking– the

534
00:28:30.490 --> 00:28:32.990
troops are attacking the beach and the other– the people

535
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.160
getting attacked are kind of waving their pom-poms.

536
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.380
And saying, come on in, come on in.

537
00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:38.559
We welcome you. We welcome our new invaders. Yeah, it's

538
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:42.240
really quite something with the exception of I guess John

539
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:45.890
Fetterman and one or two others who complained about this,

540
00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:48.710
I guess James Carville to a degree. But other than that,

541
00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:51.250
these Democrats are like, well, it's a big tent and

542
00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:54.609
we welcome these people and they have some interesting ideas.

543
00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:57.029
I think Hillary Clinton said just the other day that

544
00:28:57.049 --> 00:28:59.829
this is a, an experiment and it's, it's a good

545
00:28:59.890 --> 00:29:02.470
thing because the DSA is listening to young people and

546
00:29:02.529 --> 00:29:04.529
on and on. So, yeah, I mean, it's an invasion,

547
00:29:04.569 --> 00:29:06.480
but one, almost an invasion.

548
00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:07.859
With consent, if you will, if there's such a thing.

549
00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:09.380
Well, exactly.

550
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:10.240
Yeah.

551
00:29:11.259 --> 00:29:11.940
It's amazing.

552
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.279
And then, uh, you know, here they were, they, boy,

553
00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:16.759
they wanted a son biker until they didn't want him

554
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.240
and right. You know, and, uh, now they're kicking him

555
00:29:20.289 --> 00:29:23.500
to the curb. It's almost like, uh, You know, it's

556
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.220
almost like, what's his name? Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

557
00:29:28.339 --> 00:29:29.079
Oh, Jeremiah Wright.

558
00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.619
Yeah, it's a Jeremiah Wright movement.

559
00:29:32.869 --> 00:29:33.730
Yeah, a little bit like that.

560
00:29:33.789 --> 00:29:35.890
Well, but still, there are people, even uh obviously his

561
00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:40.109
best friend uh abdul el sayyad in uh michigan he's

562
00:29:40.349 --> 00:29:43.869
uh he's refused to denounce him he's barely separating he

563
00:29:43.910 --> 00:29:45.190
said well look i'm just going to focus on the

564
00:29:45.230 --> 00:29:47.730
people of michigan we could have been much more direct

565
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.430
and said look i don't i don't stand with a

566
00:29:49.450 --> 00:29:52.680
guy who says that america deserved uh 9-11 i don't

567
00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:55.619
stand with somebody who talks about as i think you

568
00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:58.369
pointed out a week or two ago that uh the

569
00:29:58.690 --> 00:30:03.670
political opponents should have their guts on stage, sliced up

570
00:30:03.710 --> 00:30:06.710
with knives. I mean, this is really, really demented, twisted,

571
00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:10.349
severely violent rhetoric. And you could say, look, you know,

572
00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.180
if he wants to have those views, he's welcome to them,

573
00:30:12.190 --> 00:30:14.319
but those aren't my views. And I'm not spending more

574
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:15.839
time with us on Piker. I mean, I guess they're,

575
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:18.779
they're pals and buddies and he just, he's being loyal

576
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.119
to him and not putting any distance between or not

577
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.460
much distance between himself and his candidacy. And this guy

578
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.099
is on Piker. He's got some sick ideas and some really, twisted,

579
00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:31.440
as I say, violent kind of sadistic rhetoric that he uses.

580
00:30:31.299 --> 00:30:31.740
All the time.

581
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.960
Well, and that's the thing, like you said, the rhetoric,

582
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:40.019
it's crude, it's incivil, you know, and it's like, gosh,

583
00:30:40.059 --> 00:30:42.299
I mean, it's bad enough that they want to attack

584
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.289
our country and they don't love America, but then they

585
00:30:45.329 --> 00:30:49.269
don't even respect the host. I mean, would you go

586
00:30:49.309 --> 00:30:52.589
into somebody else's house that you didn't even know and

587
00:30:52.609 --> 00:30:56.549
just start cussing and, you know, being irreverent in somebody

588
00:30:56.589 --> 00:30:58.750
else's home? I mean, This is what it seems like

589
00:30:58.829 --> 00:31:00.849
for me is that these people on the left, the

590
00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:04.339
hard left, like you said, I mean, this is the

591
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:05.799
lunatic fringe of the left.

592
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:07.500
No, it really is.

593
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.140
And, you know, Piker is, as you say, a combination

594
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.140
of sick and twisted ideas, incredible profanity, and as I say,

595
00:31:17.569 --> 00:31:21.990
extremely violent rhetoric. I had a piece in the American

596
00:31:22.029 --> 00:31:25.569
Spectator called Assange Piker, the Democrats who embraces violent rhetoric.

597
00:31:26.150 --> 00:31:29.950
It's posted on American Spectator now. And we made a

598
00:31:29.970 --> 00:31:33.680
decision to run his words verbatim. And as I say,

599
00:31:33.700 --> 00:31:37.460
they're very crude. Hard to believe anybody would talk this way.

600
00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:40.920
But rather than censor them and put little stars and

601
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.420
dashes and asterisks to make up for the profane vulgar words,

602
00:31:44.619 --> 00:31:47.769
we ran them verbatim. And when you see that stuff,

603
00:31:47.809 --> 00:31:50.170
it has a real profound impact on you when you

604
00:31:51.049 --> 00:31:56.549
look at how harsh and It's really shocking and jaw-dropping,

605
00:31:56.589 --> 00:31:59.069
as words are, when you see them in their full context,

606
00:31:59.150 --> 00:32:00.410
unexpurgated and undiluted.

607
00:32:01.369 --> 00:32:04.329
Well, DeRoy, I was looking at a poll this morning,

608
00:32:05.029 --> 00:32:08.119
and it's showing that the young people, that the mainstream

609
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:09.619
media would want you to believe that they're all in

610
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.980
the Democratic Party, but actually they're finding a place in

611
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.259
the Independent Party because they just don't want to be

612
00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:20.000
associated with what's going on in the Democratic Party, or

613
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.890
especially with the DSA. Bernie Sanders is And AOC would

614
00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:27.230
want you to believe that the young people are just

615
00:32:27.329 --> 00:32:31.910
coming in droves, but not according to this poll. They're really,

616
00:32:31.930 --> 00:32:34.470
you know, the young people actually have been moving away

617
00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:39.859
from the Democrats and their party policies because they realize,

618
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:42.319
you know, where's the beef? You know, what are we

619
00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:43.160
getting out of this?

620
00:32:44.539 --> 00:32:45.920
Yeah, well, there's a lot of truth to that.

621
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:48.339
And as you say, there's some candidates who now are saying, look,

622
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.940
we're going to run as independents. they're going to be

623
00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.619
sort of like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, who were

624
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.279
in the Senate. They're not there anymore, but who were

625
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.339
a few years back. Who were independents, and they might

626
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.559
be on the left, but they're not completely, totally insane

627
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.660
like the rest of these people. And what it's doing

628
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:06.579
is it's really splitting the Democrat Party into pieces. And

629
00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:09.569
some people are staying in it. Some people are running away.

630
00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:13.630
Others are trying to form, if not a fully different party,

631
00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:17.289
sort of like just a separate independence movement. So you're

632
00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:19.710
seeing really the the crack up of the Democrat party

633
00:33:19.730 --> 00:33:21.930
in many respects. And you think people would say, look,

634
00:33:21.950 --> 00:33:23.670
we got to keep this party together or it's just

635
00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:25.750
not going to survive, but they just seem like they're,

636
00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:28.269
you know, jumping off the cliff together. It's really quite

637
00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:29.150
astonishing to watch.

638
00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:32.069
Well, it really is. And the other thing that I

639
00:33:32.150 --> 00:33:35.970
wonder about is Roy, let's just say, you know, five

640
00:33:36.009 --> 00:33:39.470
or six of them get in, get into Congress. I mean,

641
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.319
they're going to wreak a lot of havoc. I mean,

642
00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:45.299
what is this going to do with the body politic?

643
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.940
Well, especially if it's a, you know, God forbid that

644
00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:51.660
we have a Democrat majority, but let's say there is

645
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.240
a Democrat majority and, but they only have a majority of.

646
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.960
Two or three seats.

647
00:33:56.170 --> 00:33:59.410
If the squad and these new DSA folks come in

648
00:33:59.930 --> 00:34:02.630
and they've got, you know, six, seven, eight votes, they

649
00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:04.009
can vote as a block and say, look, we're not

650
00:34:04.029 --> 00:34:07.049
going to go along with the speaker, Hakeem Jeffries, if

651
00:34:07.089 --> 00:34:10.269
he is the speaker. And that's a big F unless they,

652
00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:13.949
the party endorses Medicare for all gets all in on

653
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:21.630
taking defunding, completely defunding Israel and, insisting on federal money

654
00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:25.730
on law enforcement, insisting that every federal prison be closed

655
00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:28.409
and the prisoners set free, which is another one of

656
00:34:28.429 --> 00:34:30.889
their ideas to shut down the entire prison system. And

657
00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:34.420
they have some really twisted, radical, insane ideas. And these

658
00:34:34.659 --> 00:34:36.559
folks can insist on them. And if they don't, if

659
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.260
the Democrats don't go along with it, they won't cooperate.

660
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.260
And it'll be impossible for the Democrats to govern if

661
00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:43.800
they run the House with a small majority. These people

662
00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:46.139
have leverage over the entire majority, which they could have

663
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.219
if that happened. Again, if they're in the minority, they

664
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.059
can make a lot of noise and be squeaky wheels,

665
00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:53.699
but they may not be able to have much influence.

666
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.619
But if the Democrats are in charge, they could completely

667
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.530
shut down everything the Democrats want to do unless they

668
00:34:59.550 --> 00:35:02.710
go completely all in on the full insane DSA platform.

669
00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:05.969
It's kind of amazing, DeRoy, how quickly this has moved.

670
00:35:06.050 --> 00:35:10.090
I mean, Trevor Loudon has been reporting for years on

671
00:35:10.389 --> 00:35:13.989
the DSA and how it has invaded the Democratic Party.

672
00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:16.550
In fact, in one show he had said, Bill, there's

673
00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:20.320
over 100 card-carrying DSA members in the Democratic Party. But

674
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:22.800
it's like all of a sudden, like, I mean, in

675
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:26.480
the last year or two, you know, Katie, bar the door.

676
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:29.500
I mean, they've come flying through and, you know, they're

677
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.869
full on just right in your face. Like David Jenkins says,

678
00:35:33.230 --> 00:35:36.289
you wrote about a member of DSA's National Political Committee

679
00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:39.409
back in 2023 says, our goal is communism.

680
00:35:39.469 --> 00:35:41.269
That's it. End of story. Full stop.

681
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:44.380
Yeah, quote, our goal is communism, unquote. I mean, it

682
00:35:44.420 --> 00:35:47.320
says it very directly. And these folks are very, you know,

683
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:49.239
they don't dance and hide. They're very, very open.

684
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.840
About this sort of concept.

685
00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:55.389
The National Political Committee, which is sort of, I almost

686
00:35:55.409 --> 00:35:57.789
call it like the pulpit of the DSA, if you will.

687
00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.809
This is the top body that decides what their chief

688
00:36:01.630 --> 00:36:05.769
political objectives and activities will be. And these folks are very,

689
00:36:05.809 --> 00:36:07.869
very open about this. This is in my article, which

690
00:36:07.929 --> 00:36:10.309
is in the Daily Signal called DSA, Our Goal is Communism.

691
00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:14.429
which ran August 25. And they talk about what their

692
00:36:14.449 --> 00:36:18.469
objective is. And they say, for example, U.S. imperialism is

693
00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:20.050
not a thing that can be reformed away. It has

694
00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:23.639
to be overthrown through revolutionary struggle. This is a National

695
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:27.659
Political Committee member, Hazel Williams of the DSA. Here's another one,

696
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.260
a woman named Frances Gill of the National Political Committee

697
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.380
of the DSA. She says, quote, we have a unique

698
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:36.059
responsibility to act from the heart of empire, the belly

699
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.059
of the beast. The most important thing that we can

700
00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:41.190
do is take that empire down from within, unquote, So

701
00:36:41.210 --> 00:36:45.269
they're very open about the idea of sabotaging this country,

702
00:36:45.469 --> 00:36:48.070
making it weak and tearing it down. It's not about

703
00:36:48.110 --> 00:36:50.929
building up America. It's about tearing down America. And they're

704
00:36:50.969 --> 00:36:52.610
very open about this. I'll give them.

705
00:36:52.550 --> 00:36:53.010
Credit for this.

706
00:36:53.030 --> 00:36:54.139
They're not shy. They're not hiding it.

707
00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:56.110
It's all out there for anybody who wants to take

708
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.179
a look. They're telling people exactly what they want to do.

709
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:00.539
And it's not to make America great again. It's to

710
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.019
make America weak again or make America not exist again,

711
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:05.179
as we were before 1776.

712
00:37:05.179 --> 00:37:07.739
It's kind of interesting.

713
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.699
You know, they often talk about, you know, our First

714
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Amendment right and how it would be illegal to scream

715
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fire in a theater that is not burning. But I

716
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got to think the opposite is just as true, and

717
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that is that you've got a fire going on and

718
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:29.400
nobody says anything, right?

719
00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:30.719
Well, that's well put.

720
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Yeah, the theater's on fire. We're all sitting there watching

721
00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:36.619
the play as the lobby's on fire and it's going

722
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to start heading down into the orchestra section. Yeah, that's

723
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.119
a very good point. And, you know, given these comments

724
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:47.940
by the DSC people and Hassan Piker and others, there

725
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:49.469
ought to be a lot more Democrats saying, look, you know,

726
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.030
we want high taxes. We want to spend money. We

727
00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:54.010
believe in the lovely government programs. But this takes it

728
00:37:54.050 --> 00:37:56.269
too far. We need to stop these people. But I

729
00:37:56.309 --> 00:37:58.230
keep hearing there's a big tent. We've got to make

730
00:37:58.269 --> 00:37:59.829
room for these folks. We've got to let them in.

731
00:37:59.849 --> 00:38:03.489
Let's give this a try. It's a positive experiment. And again,

732
00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:07.230
with the exception of Senator John Fetterman, Democrat of Pennsylvania,

733
00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:12.300
and Maybe Jared Moskowitz of Pennsylvania said he wouldn't support– no, Pennsylvania,

734
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.670
excuse me, Florida. He won't support Hassan Piker's Senate candidacy

735
00:38:16.710 --> 00:38:19.510
in Michigan. Other than a handful of those folks like that,

736
00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:23.110
the other folks are either cheering these people on and saying,

737
00:38:23.130 --> 00:38:25.869
come on into the big tent, or they're just saying, okay,

738
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we're just going to be quiet and keep our big

739
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It's you and I talked about.

807
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This last week is that, you know, the way the

808
00:42:42.179 --> 00:42:44.860
media tries to present some of these people as being moderate.

809
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.840
I mean, that's moderate in name only. I mean, in action,

810
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.219
I mean, they're, you know, look at their score. Their

811
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.710
score is very left. I mean, they're, you know, there

812
00:42:55.750 --> 00:42:59.610
might be in the 85, 90% range. of being liberal

813
00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:03.320
and somehow the mainstream media wants to present them as

814
00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:06.440
being moderate. I guess that's moderate compared to the lunatics

815
00:43:06.460 --> 00:43:07.599
that are really left, right?

816
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:11.500
Yeah, well, that's exactly correct. You know, people, you may

817
00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:16.849
recall that Haley Stevens, who ran for U.S. Senate against

818
00:43:17.329 --> 00:43:19.429
Bel Sayed in Michigan, she was supposed to be this

819
00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:24.320
middle of the road, moderate type of person who was

820
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.190
defeated in the primaries. Well, you look at her vote record,

821
00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:30.730
for example, Haley Stevens, this member of the U.S. House

822
00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:36.449
from Michigan, and according to the American Conservative Union, they

823
00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:39.719
rate and rank members of Congress, zero is most to

824
00:43:39.739 --> 00:43:42.610
the left, 100 is most to the right. Her ACU

825
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.940
rating is five, not 30, 40, 50, which would be

826
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.320
in the middle. She has an ACU rating of five.

827
00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:52.019
She votes with conservatives 5% of the time. Heritage Action, again,

828
00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:54.989
zero is most liberal, 100 is most conservative. She has

829
00:43:55.010 --> 00:43:58.159
a heritage action rating of one. One percent of the time,

830
00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:01.739
she votes with conservatives. So it's not even like the

831
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.280
DSA is defeating a whole bunch of centrist, moderate, middle-of-the-road Democrats.

832
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.860
For the most part, they're defeating people who are far left.

833
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.320
So you have the far left being defeated in these

834
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.519
primaries by the far, far left or the far, far,

835
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.030
far left.

836
00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:17.849
So it's really a grim situation.

837
00:44:18.829 --> 00:44:21.309
Now that Joe Manchin is no longer in the Senate,

838
00:44:21.329 --> 00:44:24.570
there are really no– moderates or centrists left in the

839
00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:27.650
Democrat Party, in the U.S. Congress, in the House or

840
00:44:27.670 --> 00:44:29.510
in the Senate. You've got people who are super left

841
00:44:29.550 --> 00:44:32.699
wing being beaten in some of these primaries by people

842
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:33.940
who are super duper left wing.

843
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.320
Well, you know, and you see the face of John Fetterman,

844
00:44:37.340 --> 00:44:42.599
for example, DeRoy, and he's in pain. I mean, he's thinking, oh,

845
00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:46.429
you know, what planet did I land on here? You know,

846
00:44:46.829 --> 00:44:51.230
and bless his heart, you know, he's trying to hold

847
00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:54.079
to some sort of semblance of reason. But this thing's

848
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.880
out of control. But, you know, I want to ask you,

849
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:00.119
in terms of conservatism and the Republican Party, I mean,

850
00:45:00.139 --> 00:45:02.719
this seems to me like it's a golden opportunity, but

851
00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:07.130
I don't see them moving on this in a way

852
00:45:07.170 --> 00:45:09.570
that I think they should. Am I missing something?

853
00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:11.530
Well, it's hard for them to move on anything because

854
00:45:11.550 --> 00:45:12.090
they're not there.

855
00:45:12.170 --> 00:45:15.630
I mean, I've been very, very critical of John Thune,

856
00:45:15.650 --> 00:45:19.250
who's got the Senate on a five-week break right now. Look,

857
00:45:19.269 --> 00:45:21.289
the House is out right now, but they're coming back,

858
00:45:21.769 --> 00:45:23.469
I think, on the 31st. They'll be back in a

859
00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:26.659
few days after taking probably about four or five weeks off.

860
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:30.739
But before they left, they passed a bunch of budget measures.

861
00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:34.820
They sent the Reconciliation 3.0 resolution to the Senate. They

862
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:37.400
sent the Save America Act attached to the National Defense

863
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.130
Authorization Act and to, I believe, also the reconciliation bill.

864
00:45:42.690 --> 00:45:43.750
So they did a lot of work, and they took

865
00:45:43.769 --> 00:45:45.500
their time off, and I think they pretty much earned it.

866
00:45:46.110 --> 00:45:49.269
But the Senate basically– has this inbox you know stacked

867
00:45:49.309 --> 00:45:52.469
and overflowing and rather than sitting there and getting the

868
00:45:52.550 --> 00:45:56.949
reconciliation 3.0 measure which would have had the save america

869
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:58.840
act in it it would have had funds attached to

870
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:01.639
save america act so that would uh survive the the

871
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:04.099
process where in order to get reconciliation through it has

872
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.639
to have some impact on the budget either spending or

873
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.519
taxes um so that would have i think qualified us

874
00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:11.480
to get all or most of the save america act

875
00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:13.780
through and also i would assume there'd be some tax

876
00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:16.730
reductions and some other things in there um they should

877
00:46:16.750 --> 00:46:17.230
be working.

878
00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:17.630
Very hard on this.

879
00:46:17.670 --> 00:46:20.789
But instead, the Senate is out. They're gone till not

880
00:46:21.150 --> 00:46:23.210
the day after Labor Day, but the Monday after Labor Day.

881
00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:25.070
They're going to take the whole week off after Labor Day.

882
00:46:25.429 --> 00:46:28.300
And they're spending five weeks on this. While they're not

883
00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:31.579
up there legislating, they're also not near the cameras to

884
00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:36.079
comment on Assange Piker and the DSA and all this

885
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.639
other stuff. Usually where they can step off the Senate floor,

886
00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:40.809
stand in front of a camera and go on Fox

887
00:46:40.849 --> 00:46:43.969
News or CNN, MSNOW, whatever it is, and comment on

888
00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:46.130
this stuff. But they're not there at all. So I

889
00:46:46.170 --> 00:46:49.929
blame John Thune largely for the ineffectiveness of the GOP

890
00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:53.280
at the moment. They should be out there taking care

891
00:46:53.300 --> 00:46:54.820
of these things on the Senate floor at the moment.

892
00:46:54.860 --> 00:46:56.280
They ought to be commenting on what's going on at

893
00:46:56.300 --> 00:46:58.800
the DSA and everything else. And instead, they're just AWOL,

894
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.900
which is very, very disappointing and beyond frustrating to me.

895
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:05.800
Well, and the thing that amazes me is what am

896
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.800
I missing here? I mean, The Republicans have so much

897
00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:11.750
to brag about in terms of closing the border, the big,

898
00:47:11.769 --> 00:47:15.010
beautiful bill, people getting more money in their pocket than

899
00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:18.750
they've had in, what, 40 years? With income tax, yes,

900
00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:22.300
we're now at $ 40 trillion, but you've got to look

901
00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:26.440
at what Donald Trump inherited and what he's trying to

902
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.739
get us out from under, not to mention then put

903
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.909
into the mix a terrorist nation. that's had their way

904
00:47:33.949 --> 00:47:38.130
not only with America, but the entire world for 47 years. Finally,

905
00:47:38.170 --> 00:47:40.179
Trump says, hey, we need to do something about it.

906
00:47:40.550 --> 00:47:44.340
And these people talk like as if, you know, these

907
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:48.599
radicals having a nuclear weapon, like as if it's nothing, DeRoy.

908
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:49.440
Are you kidding me?

909
00:47:50.380 --> 00:47:52.500
Well, you know, if you had one atomic weapon go

910
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.719
off anywhere in the world, but certainly in the Middle

911
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.519
East and certainly anywhere near the Strait of Hormuz, if

912
00:47:57.539 --> 00:48:02.050
you like gasoline at a five or $ 6 as it

913
00:48:02.110 --> 00:48:04.050
is here in California, I'm sure would go up to

914
00:48:04.070 --> 00:48:05.809
about 15 or 20 if you've got that kind of

915
00:48:05.829 --> 00:48:08.510
thing happened. I mean, the stock markets would plunge. Even

916
00:48:08.550 --> 00:48:12.230
if the radiation ever got to us, the economic impact

917
00:48:12.250 --> 00:48:16.750
would be brutal and severe and inconceivable almost. So I

918
00:48:16.809 --> 00:48:20.030
think it's very important that Iran and the Eritreans never

919
00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:20.989
have an atomic weapon.

920
00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:22.239
I think it's perfectly appropriate.

921
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.460
I wish this thing would wrap up quickly, but it's

922
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.909
absolutely vital, as you say, for the Iranian Ayatollah Islamic

923
00:48:28.969 --> 00:48:32.389
extremist regime not to have access to atomic weapons and

924
00:48:33.219 --> 00:48:36.699
based on how much enrichment they've done they're apparently about

925
00:48:36.699 --> 00:48:40.039
99% of the way there to having weapons grade uranium

926
00:48:40.059 --> 00:48:41.559
they don't need to do very much more to get

927
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:43.800
it up to that level so that stuff is probably

928
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.449
under a lot of rubble I'm assuming that the enrichment

929
00:48:47.469 --> 00:48:52.389
machines the turbines they've been using have been broken up

930
00:48:52.409 --> 00:48:54.550
in bits and pieces that should slow them down I'm

931
00:48:54.610 --> 00:48:56.829
sure by a decade So that's a positive thing. But

932
00:48:56.869 --> 00:48:59.469
as you say, there's a lot of positive that GOP

933
00:48:59.489 --> 00:49:00.289
ought to be talking about.

934
00:49:00.369 --> 00:49:01.019
That's part of it.

935
00:49:01.650 --> 00:49:03.719
The stuff in the one big beautiful bill, the fact

936
00:49:03.739 --> 00:49:06.599
that Americans have saved tens of billions of dollars through

937
00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:11.260
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax

938
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:15.750
on certain Social Security benefits. The Trump accounts where parents

939
00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:18.929
can put money to save cash for their kids, kids

940
00:49:18.969 --> 00:49:21.690
born between now and I think 2040. think 2028, 2029.

941
00:49:21.690 --> 00:49:24.110
That's a very positive thing. I believe maybe Gavin Newsom

942
00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:25.449
said this was a good thing, believe it or not.

943
00:49:25.469 --> 00:49:26.050
Yeah, exactly.

944
00:49:26.150 --> 00:49:26.829
Had praise for that.

945
00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:28.840
So yeah, there's a lot of positive talk about, but

946
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.719
the GOP doesn't seem to talk about that very much.

947
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.539
They don't seem to be bragging as they should. I

948
00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:36.619
think they're too shy and too modest. And that'll be

949
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.340
talking about all the good things that are going on

950
00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:39.829
and There's a lot of work to be done, a

951
00:49:39.869 --> 00:49:40.769
lot of bad stuff to fight.

952
00:49:40.909 --> 00:49:42.730
There's been a lot of victories. We ought to hear

953
00:49:42.769 --> 00:49:43.230
a lot more.

954
00:49:43.130 --> 00:49:45.389
About that between now and when people start voting, which

955
00:49:45.409 --> 00:49:47.800
should probably be about middle or third week of September

956
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:48.719
when the early votes start.

957
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.780
And then meanwhile, Trump single-handedly is trying to do something

958
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.059
because Congress is not doing anything in passing the SAVE Act.

959
00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.719
So now by executive order, he's got to work the

960
00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:02.639
angle in order to protect the integrity of the vote

961
00:50:03.050 --> 00:50:04.869
on behalf of the American people, DeRoy.

962
00:50:05.789 --> 00:50:06.090
You're right.

963
00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:08.409
And there was a big victory in the Supreme Court

964
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.139
on this executive order, which basically said the U.S., it's

965
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.260
an executive order to the post office, said post office

966
00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:18.159
will not deliver mail-in ballots in states that don't certify

967
00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:20.440
that they've gone through and cleaned up the voter rolls,

968
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.519
made sure that they've compared the voter rolls to a

969
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.099
list of, a federal list of who's eligible to vote,

970
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.400
citizens versus foreign citizens. Foreign citizens, of course, aren't allowed

971
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:33.219
to vote in our elections and go through that process.

972
00:50:33.260 --> 00:50:35.059
And if they don't go through that process and verify

973
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.130
that they've done so, the post office simply won't won't

974
00:50:38.170 --> 00:50:43.159
deposit or won't deliver mail-in ballots in those states. That

975
00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:46.780
Supreme Court said that the administration can go ahead with that.

976
00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:49.579
There's another injunction that may need to be neutralized to

977
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.480
get that done. But if that does stick, to me,

978
00:50:52.659 --> 00:50:54.579
the most important part of the Save America Act will

979
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.760
have been accomplished, which is to clean up the voter

980
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:00.480
rolls and make sure the mail-in ballot machine that the

981
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.480
Democrats have harnessed to steal elections for really the better

982
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.030
part of six, if not more years, That is going

983
00:51:07.050 --> 00:51:09.420
to be hobbled, if not totally shut down.

984
00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:10.500
This is a huge victory.

985
00:51:11.300 --> 00:51:14.519
Again, no thanks to John Thune, no thanks to his efforts,

986
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:17.440
which have been lackluster at best, to pass the Save

987
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.940
America Act. But if we can make sure that mail-in

988
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.380
ballots only go to American citizens, and also I'd make

989
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.280
sure that the addresses are qualified so they don't have

990
00:51:27.500 --> 00:51:32.880
mail-in ballots going to abandoned houses, to people registered to vote, people, quote-unquote,

991
00:51:32.900 --> 00:51:36.800
registered to vote. at Walmarts or gas stations or even literally,

992
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.030
literally empty lots with nothing but gravel. If we don't

993
00:51:40.050 --> 00:51:42.409
have mail-in ballots flying around to those places and getting

994
00:51:42.449 --> 00:51:45.670
harvested and brought back and dropped off as they have

995
00:51:45.690 --> 00:51:48.429
been in so many states, it really will limit the

996
00:51:48.570 --> 00:51:50.809
ability of the Democrats to steal elections. And we might

997
00:51:50.869 --> 00:51:53.570
finally have an honest election in this country for the

998
00:51:53.610 --> 00:51:54.570
first time in many, many years.

999
00:51:55.269 --> 00:51:58.969
Well, listen to what Elise Stefanik said, right? That if

1000
00:51:59.590 --> 00:52:01.679
the SAVE Act was to pass, if there's any kind

1001
00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:05.340
of voter integrity, in so many words, uh, a Democrat

1002
00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:07.239
would never get elected again.

1003
00:52:07.539 --> 00:52:09.599
Uh, yes, that was not just a funny, it was slotkin,

1004
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:10.199
very similar.

1005
00:52:10.219 --> 00:52:10.699
Oh, slotkin.

1006
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:11.579
I'm sorry.

1007
00:52:11.860 --> 00:52:12.000
Yeah.

1008
00:52:12.019 --> 00:52:12.780
She did say something.

1009
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:12.980
Yeah.

1010
00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:15.530
If we have, you know, save America passes, save America

1011
00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:18.369
act passes and Democrats won't win elections again. Well, yeah,

1012
00:52:18.389 --> 00:52:20.449
she kind of said the quiet part out loud that

1013
00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:21.989
if you have a fair election where you don't have

1014
00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:25.929
all this theft going along and illegal aliens voting and

1015
00:52:26.230 --> 00:52:28.489
dead people voting, people have moved out of town voting,

1016
00:52:28.550 --> 00:52:28.949
et cetera.

1017
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:30.570
Um, She said it.

1018
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:30.900
I didn't.

1019
00:52:31.099 --> 00:52:33.440
Yeah, the Democrats have real trouble winning elections because they've

1020
00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:36.460
been able to do this with all these mass mail-in

1021
00:52:36.500 --> 00:52:39.400
ballots sent out. Ballots dropped off like they are in

1022
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.949
California and other places. You just harvest the ballots, drop

1023
00:52:41.969 --> 00:52:42.320
them off.

1024
00:52:42.389 --> 00:52:44.389
Nobody knows who you are. You walk in with a

1025
00:52:44.650 --> 00:52:46.550
big stack of ballots, hand them in. They say, thank

1026
00:52:46.590 --> 00:52:48.630
you very much. See you next time. They don't know

1027
00:52:48.650 --> 00:52:50.750
who you are. They haven't checked your ID. They don't

1028
00:52:50.789 --> 00:52:51.329
know if this is.

1029
00:52:51.309 --> 00:52:54.570
Your mom and your grandma and your uncle's ballots or

1030
00:52:54.590 --> 00:52:57.090
the ballots of people you've never met before. And did

1031
00:52:57.139 --> 00:52:59.039
you sift through them and take out the ballots you

1032
00:52:59.059 --> 00:53:02.219
don't like? Did you fill them out yourself. We don't

1033
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.840
know about those things. We just saw Jesse Waters on

1034
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.760
Fox News last night showed footage of this woman named Wanda.

1035
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.980
I forget her last name, but she's in Bridgeport, Connecticut.

1036
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.340
And she's now going to face trial for stuffing the

1037
00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:15.969
ballot in election there. And you see her on video.

1038
00:53:16.030 --> 00:53:18.090
She's got a whole bag full of ballots. And she

1039
00:53:18.510 --> 00:53:20.809
goes up to one of those drop boxes. And she's

1040
00:53:20.849 --> 00:53:23.369
putting in one ballot after another, after another. And these

1041
00:53:23.409 --> 00:53:25.300
are ballots, I think maybe up to 100, if I'm

1042
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.320
not mistaken, how many counts are in her indictment. of

1043
00:53:28.389 --> 00:53:30.250
ballots that don't belong to her and don't belong to

1044
00:53:30.289 --> 00:53:32.429
any of her relatives. And this has got to stop.

1045
00:53:32.449 --> 00:53:36.050
There's no, with the mainland ballots, there's no chain of custody.

1046
00:53:36.469 --> 00:53:38.530
We know the ballots are coming from. We don't know

1047
00:53:38.570 --> 00:53:41.530
who they belong to. They're not checked. And then a

1048
00:53:41.730 --> 00:53:43.510
lot of those go through and people say, well, don't worry,

1049
00:53:43.530 --> 00:53:46.130
the signature, with signature check, we'll get it. Well, I

1050
00:53:46.389 --> 00:53:48.730
don't know if you've ever seen these ballots go through

1051
00:53:48.769 --> 00:53:51.070
the signature check. People may think it's like Sherlock Holmes.

1052
00:53:51.110 --> 00:53:54.289
You have the ballot, the signature that's in the register

1053
00:53:54.309 --> 00:53:56.840
book and the signature on the back of the envelope

1054
00:53:57.139 --> 00:54:00.380
and somebody's sitting there with a magnifying glass and measuring

1055
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.179
the sizes of the loops, something like that. These ballots

1056
00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:05.510
fly through as quickly as you see mail go through

1057
00:54:05.530 --> 00:54:08.610
those processing machines at the post office. They fly through

1058
00:54:08.730 --> 00:54:11.170
very quickly. I've seen this myself in Colorado where this

1059
00:54:11.230 --> 00:54:15.389
is done. And it's not like a team of graphologists

1060
00:54:15.409 --> 00:54:18.300
looking and comparing signatures. These things are flying through machines,

1061
00:54:18.739 --> 00:54:21.159
lickety split, and I would have very little faith in

1062
00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:25.199
the signature match at all. So that's a really severe situation.

1063
00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:28.159
So We really need to limit mail-in ballots to people

1064
00:54:28.219 --> 00:54:33.019
who are sick, infirm, doing military service, away for school,

1065
00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:36.150
out of town for business, or just not in town

1066
00:54:36.190 --> 00:54:38.510
on Election Day for whatever reason. And there, if you

1067
00:54:38.590 --> 00:54:40.150
ask for a ballot and you request one, fine, you

1068
00:54:40.190 --> 00:54:42.510
can get one. But this idea of so many states

1069
00:54:42.530 --> 00:54:45.269
where they just blast them out to every single solitary

1070
00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:49.409
on the books, on the voter rolls, including people who

1071
00:54:49.429 --> 00:54:52.500
have moved away, people who are ineligible, people who are dead,

1072
00:54:52.659 --> 00:54:53.460
and foreign citizens.

1073
00:54:53.989 --> 00:54:54.849
This has got to stop.

1074
00:54:54.889 --> 00:54:57.269
This is horrible. And this is tearing down our country.

1075
00:54:57.650 --> 00:55:00.690
And thankfully and hopefully the Supreme Court decision will allow

1076
00:55:00.730 --> 00:55:02.449
us to start to put a dent in that. And

1077
00:55:02.590 --> 00:55:05.030
hopefully after a while, at some point, John Thune will

1078
00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:07.030
wake up, they'll pass the Save America Act, and we

1079
00:55:07.090 --> 00:55:10.650
actually can have clean and reliable elections again in this country.

1080
00:55:11.250 --> 00:55:11.530
Amen.

1081
00:55:11.889 --> 00:55:15.440
DeRoy Murdoch, he's the Manhattan-based Fox News contributor. Thank you, DeRoy.

1082
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:15.820
Take care.

1083
00:55:16.179 --> 00:55:16.599
You bet, Bill.

1084
00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:17.079
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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

1108
00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:34.550
our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez.

1109
00:56:34.909 --> 00:56:36.309
Well, good morning.

1110
00:56:36.369 --> 00:56:38.110
Six minutes after the top of the hour right now,

1111
00:56:38.150 --> 00:56:41.130
Bill Martinez here with Dr. George Barna, the Director of

1112
00:56:41.170 --> 00:56:45.130
Research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center. and author

1113
00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:50.929
of Raising Spiritual Champions. Hey, Dr. George, happy Father's Day, belatedly.

1114
00:56:50.949 --> 00:56:53.190
Brother Bill, good to see you again. I hope you

1115
00:56:53.230 --> 00:56:53.719
had a good one.

1116
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.199
Yeah, it was a good one. It was nice and peaceful,

1117
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.239
just the way we like to have it. And, you know,

1118
00:57:00.260 --> 00:57:02.659
because we had to not look at what's happening in

1119
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:04.219
our country, and I had to just kind of take

1120
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:08.260
a breather because I've been increasingly concerned, and the evidence

1121
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.739
that you've got to share with us tells me that

1122
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.860
my concern is not without justifications.

1123
00:57:14.769 --> 00:57:17.510
It's well-founded. I mean, the new survey, we're looking at

1124
00:57:17.550 --> 00:57:23.380
people's beliefs about humanity, you know, the natural. And then

1125
00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:26.800
we also compare that to their beliefs about the supernatural,

1126
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.440
looking at God and different spirits and so forth. And

1127
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.440
it's not a pretty picture. I mean, the belief in

1128
00:57:33.460 --> 00:57:36.150
the God of the Bible continues to drop. We're about

1129
00:57:36.250 --> 00:57:39.769
half the country being there now when we look at

1130
00:57:40.389 --> 00:57:42.869
what we think about humanity. We don't have the same

1131
00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:47.170
picture of humanity that God does, that's for sure. Yeah,

1132
00:57:47.250 --> 00:57:51.050
so we went through seven questions in each of those areas,

1133
00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:54.909
the natural and supernatural, found that by and large, in

1134
00:57:55.059 --> 00:57:58.760
only one case for the natural and in one case

1135
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.960
out of the seven for the supernatural, did people have

1136
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.699
a biblical perspective on those issues. So it's getting worse.

1137
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.050
And when we looked at it generationally, continuing the pattern

1138
00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:13.920
we've been seeing for years now. The younger you get,

1139
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:17.420
the less likely they are to have a biblical perspective

1140
00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:21.320
on almost no matter what topic you're talking about. So

1141
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:25.360
that's disturbing. But we're even finding that the group that

1142
00:58:25.420 --> 00:58:31.179
pastors call the backbone of the local church, theologically identified

1143
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.949
born-again Christians, even that group is loosening their grip on

1144
00:58:36.010 --> 00:58:39.769
biblical perspectives and And they're more likely now to be

1145
00:58:39.809 --> 00:58:43.199
taking on worldly perspectives. You know, I mean, we're at

1146
00:58:43.219 --> 00:58:47.039
a place where three out of four of the theologically

1147
00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:52.780
identified born-agains say that people are basically good, which, of course,

1148
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:56.190
is a complete misunderstanding of Scripture. We just tell them, no, no, no, no, no,

1149
00:58:56.190 --> 00:58:59.369
you're sinners. That's why Jesus had to die, because you're

1150
00:58:59.409 --> 00:59:01.389
not good. If you were good, you could save yourself.

1151
00:59:01.829 --> 00:59:04.050
You're not so good. Get over it. Yeah.

1152
00:59:04.380 --> 00:59:07.010
And Jesus wouldn't have had to go through all that

1153
00:59:07.030 --> 00:59:07.409
he went.

1154
00:59:07.289 --> 00:59:09.289
Through, right? Yeah.

1155
00:59:09.789 --> 00:59:09.949
Pain.

1156
00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:14.820
Stuff illegal stuff murderous stuff I mean no matter how

1157
00:59:14.860 --> 00:59:17.980
you want to put it it was not good except

1158
00:59:18.059 --> 00:59:20.760
in the outcome for us if we understand it and

1159
00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:25.280
embrace it and work with it but Americans are and

1160
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.440
forgive me for saying this but I mean we're so

1161
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:32.780
full of ourselves That we think we're the solution to everything.

1162
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.659
When in point of fact, no matter how far back

1163
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.480
you go in history, what you find is those people

1164
00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:42.139
who realize, no, we can't make it work on our own.

1165
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:46.230
And we're not meant to. The whole idea of God

1166
00:59:46.329 --> 00:59:47.989
creating us, and this is one of the things we

1167
00:59:48.010 --> 00:59:51.070
look at in this survey, universal purpose. Why did God

1168
00:59:51.130 --> 00:59:53.510
make us? He made us to know, love, and serve

1169
00:59:53.530 --> 00:59:55.909
Him with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul. But

1170
00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:58.840
we're not buying that. We're thinking he made us so

1171
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.119
that we can take over, we can make all the

1172
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.190
big decisions, we can fix everything that we've broken, and

1173
01:00:05.269 --> 01:00:08.590
everything's going to be all right. And unfortunately, it's just

1174
01:00:08.630 --> 01:00:11.650
not like that. Do you realize, Bill, that only one

1175
01:00:11.730 --> 01:00:15.280
out of three adults in America believe that the universal

1176
01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:18.780
purpose for humanity is to love God with all our heart, mind, strength,

1177
01:00:18.820 --> 01:00:22.320
and soul? One out of three Americans. And, you know,

1178
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:26.219
for a while... in human history, America was the shining

1179
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:29.840
light spiritually. But I think that light has been getting

1180
01:00:29.900 --> 01:00:32.440
dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. At least the research shows that.

1181
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:33.400
Yeah.

1182
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.480
We need another George Whitefield, perhaps George, you.

1183
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.500
Know, I'd take it. I'd love it. Yeah. I don't

1184
01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:41.480
know if he'd still want to go on horseback given

1185
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the condition of the country, but man, we could use

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that heart, that mind and that soul that he brought

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to the, to the process.

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Well, and sometimes, uh, You know, and I understand this

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is disconcerting and it's worrying, but God is still in control.

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He's still on the throne. And the thing is, humanity

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has passed this road before and has been at this intersection.

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And of course, we know what happens. I mean, because

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God has always said, look, I'll give you a choice.

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You know, if you will turn from your wicked ways.

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All right.

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And turn to me, you know, I will hear. I'll

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begin to hear. Right now, many people are, let's just say,

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a remnant of those with faith are wondering if God

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is hearing anymore because he's just had it with this arrogance,

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like you said, because this is all, this all points

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back to the original sin, right, George?

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Absolutely. And I think you bring up a couple of

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really key points, one of which you use the word remnant.

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One of my favorite words coming out of scripture is,

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because a lot of people will come up to me

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and say, oh my gosh, George, you've been doing this

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for so long. How can you not be depressed? It's like, well,

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don't make assumptions, okay? It does get depressing. But then

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when I go back in his word and I see

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that every time that he transformed the culture, what he

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did was he gathered up those people who were totally

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sold out to him. They wanted nothing but what God

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wanted and they're willing to do anything to get it.

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And he took that group, the remnant, and then- He

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sliced it into just a fraction of the total. And

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then with that small, small group, he changed the culture.

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And the important lesson to me, a sociologist, a research guy,

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I'm always looking at the numbers and say, oh, no,

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we've got a minority. God only used minorities of the

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people to change any culture. So it doesn't, the raw

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numbers don't matter. What I'm more interested, frankly, are the trends.

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Are we moving toward him or away from him? Because

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as a follower of Christ, that gives me a better

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understanding of what we need to do, how urgent it is,

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how much of our resource base we need to pour

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into that as quickly as possible. So that's one key thing.

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You know, the other word that you mentioned that I

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think is so critical, Bill, is repentance. Because as I've

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been doing research over the last two or three years

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on discipleship, worldview, those types of things, One thing I've

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discovered is that Americans, when they hear about the gospel,

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they hear about how they can get saved, but they

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don't hear or they don't attend to that part that

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talks about repentance. And when you ask them, well, what

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do you think repentance is? Ah, feeling sorry. No, I mean,

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that's part of it. That's a good start. But you're

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basically at the starting line there. Repentance means to turn around.

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And so in the context of our behavior, what it

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means is whatever has caused us to sin, whatever's caused us,

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in other words, to break God's heart, to break his rules,

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which he gave us for our own good. Well, repentance

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means I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm going

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to go back and do what God called me to do.

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I'm going to do the opposite, go the opposite direction

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and turnaround of what I had been doing because my

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desire is to honor God, to please God, to satisfy God.

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And when I do that, that will bring fulfillment to

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my life.

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You have to know God. When you know God, then

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you begin to reconcile God's character and his personality with

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your behavior. And the contrast is so glaring, George, that,

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you know, you're like Moses at the burning bush or Isaiah,

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who is revealed who God is. And he says, I'm toast.

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And the toast is getting darker every day in America.

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You know, I hope we lighten up on that, you know,

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burn lever. But, I mean, even simple things. This is

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what really concerns me so much. For probably 40 years now,

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I've been asking people about Jesus Christ. And one of

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the things that we've consistently discovered is that we understand

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so little of the biblical narrative that Two out of

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three Americans believe that when Jesus was on earth, he sinned.

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And when you talk about knowing God, Jesus, of course,

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being God, it's like, well, how much more of a

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red flag do you have to wave to say, no,

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I don't think you know the real God. Because Jesus,

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by his very nature, was incapable of sin. And he

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he took away.

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250 years, because when it all began, you know, I

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mentioned Whitfield and, you know, great movie, you know, an

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awakening with about Whitfield and Benjamin Franklin. And what happened?

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I mean, here Whitfield comes to the colonies and visits

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the colonies. What's some seven times the different colonies. And

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he's taking the message. you know, throughout that people needed

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to repent. And I believe that was all part of,

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you know, God's hand in America to kind of, you know,

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churn up the ground and get ready to receive the

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key message, the key message of freedom. And like anything,

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when you are counter countering the culture, especially with something

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as big as freedom, George. that's going to come with

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a cost. It's not going to be just, hey, let's

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just throw a party and put on a funny hat

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and get some whistles and blow and celebrate here. I mean,

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the colonists had to be prepared to love God so

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much that they would be willing to put it all

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on the line for the sake of freedom, which I

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believe ultimately what God wants for all his creation.

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And there's an interesting analogy there too, I think, in

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that when you look at what we are in essence,

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which is spiritual beings who are made to know, love

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and serve God. Well, then really the most important freedom,

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our freedom in America is incredible. I mean, there's never

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been anything like it and thank the Lord for it,

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but it pales in comparison to the spiritual freedom that

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we get by Jesus paying that same kind of cost

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that you're talking about, that the colonists had to pay

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in the revolutionary war and before and after that, a

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lot of, you know, hurt, a lot of pain, a

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lot of suffering, a lot of sacrifice. What do you

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think Jesus did on that cross for us? What do

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you think he did by having to come down to earth,

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for goodness sakes, for 33 years and endure us imbeciles,

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you know, running around, not understanding what he's talking about,

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not getting what we're watching when we see him do

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miracles and heal people and love people and, you know,

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exhort people, all the things that he did to show

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us the way. Well, yeah, you're absolutely right. There is

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a cost to freedom. And one of the things that

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I think contemporary Americans, at least the research shows, gloss

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over is the fact that somebody paid the biggest price

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for us. All we have to do is keep making

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tiny payments on that to maintain that freedom. And we're

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not even willing to do that. We feel so entitled

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that that's my birthright. I should have that freedom. I

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shouldn't have to do anything to maintain it. it's like, well,

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maybe everything comes at a cost. And so you better

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count the cost and get out your pocketbook and, you know,

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pay the piper because that's what we have to do.

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And as Christians, we have the added responsibility, but the

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01:14:06.149 --> 01:14:11.579
added privilege of bringing other people into that understanding. We

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01:14:11.739 --> 01:14:15.340
are that light in the darkness of our culture, but man,

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01:14:15.380 --> 01:14:17.420
we got to shine more brightly than we've been. I

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01:14:17.939 --> 01:14:19.880
don't mean to put a guilt trip on anybody, but

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01:14:20.699 --> 01:14:22.779
Time is of the essence. We're here for such a

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01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.069
time as this. I don't know how much more time

1421
01:14:25.090 --> 01:14:27.750
we've got left. I don't want to stand before God

1422
01:14:27.770 --> 01:14:29.590
when I'm waiting to hear him say, well done, good

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01:14:29.630 --> 01:14:33.970
and faithful servant. And he says, you lazy so-and-so. And

1424
01:14:34.050 --> 01:14:35.970
I go, what were you doing? What were you thinking?

1425
01:14:36.590 --> 01:14:39.680
Couldn't you see? You know, I've got research. Other people

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01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.920
have other indicators that all point in the same direction,

1427
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:47.939
that America is moving farther from God rather than more urgently, tightly,

1428
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.869
and deeply toward him. That's exactly what we need to

1429
01:14:50.890 --> 01:14:54.210
be doing as we come to July 4th, Independence Day.

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01:14:55.250 --> 01:14:58.159
Praise God that we're in America and we get to

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01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:01.600
enjoy the freedoms that we have. But man, let's never

1432
01:15:01.659 --> 01:15:05.539
forget that those freedoms pale in comparison to the eternal

1433
01:15:05.619 --> 01:15:08.659
freedom that Jesus Christ gave to us through that cross.

1434
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:14.409
And the response, George, starts with us, each individual, because

1435
01:15:14.670 --> 01:15:20.890
for the sake of our families, our marriages, we may

1436
01:15:20.930 --> 01:15:23.630
be the one. And if we're the one carrying the

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01:15:23.670 --> 01:15:28.189
cross for the family, then so be it. That's what

1438
01:15:28.329 --> 01:15:30.229
has to be done. Otherwise, we're going to end up

1439
01:15:30.270 --> 01:15:32.590
at that, you know, like the end of, if you

1440
01:15:32.609 --> 01:15:36.029
remember the end of Schindler's List, when Schindler is there

1441
01:15:36.130 --> 01:15:38.829
and he's realizing how many people he saved and how

1442
01:15:38.850 --> 01:15:40.810
many more he could have saved, even if he had

1443
01:15:40.850 --> 01:15:44.680
given up a gold watch. You know, today in America,

1444
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.739
are we willing to give up a gold watch for

1445
01:15:47.779 --> 01:15:48.720
the sake of our kids?

1446
01:15:50.569 --> 01:15:53.409
A couple of things come to mind, again, going into

1447
01:15:53.430 --> 01:15:56.229
the research, different study. I'm working on a book now

1448
01:15:56.289 --> 01:16:00.069
on disciple making. And one of the things that, you know,

1449
01:16:00.149 --> 01:16:02.949
people have to understand is you can only reproduce who

1450
01:16:02.989 --> 01:16:07.180
you are. So who's going to make disciples? Existing disciples.

1451
01:16:07.899 --> 01:16:10.500
But then when I study the existing disciples, what I

1452
01:16:10.539 --> 01:16:13.600
see is that a large share of them are doing

1453
01:16:13.739 --> 01:16:18.189
nothing to disciple other people. And then everybody stands around

1454
01:16:18.210 --> 01:16:20.880
and wonders, well, why isn't the church growing? Why isn't

1455
01:16:20.909 --> 01:16:24.560
the church healthy? Well, the people who have the privilege

1456
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:27.960
of being a follower of Jesus and loving that and

1457
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.899
knowing that it's significant, they get that. But what many

1458
01:16:31.939 --> 01:16:34.119
of them aren't getting is, but how do you think

1459
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.539
other people are going to get there? You know, you've

1460
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:40.159
got to invest the time in them. It's a relationship.

1461
01:16:40.770 --> 01:16:42.470
And in the same way, when I look at this

1462
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.359
current research report, one of the things that we discovered

1463
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:50.500
about the relationship with God is that most Americans admit

1464
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:58.170
they don't actually have a living, real, interactive, central relationship

1465
01:16:58.210 --> 01:17:00.170
with God. Even though it's always going to be a

1466
01:17:00.210 --> 01:17:03.590
work in progress, we're never going to be there, you know,

1467
01:17:03.930 --> 01:17:07.319
until we reach heaven. But short of that time, I mean,

1468
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:11.199
we've really got to invest ourselves in that relationship and

1469
01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:13.060
not put all the burden on God and say, well,

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01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:16.220
you know, You're the powerful one. You're the omnipresent one.

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01:17:16.619 --> 01:17:20.649
You make it happen. No, that's not how a relationship works.

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01:17:21.069 --> 01:17:23.470
It's a two-part deal. You do your part. I'll do

1473
01:17:23.529 --> 01:17:26.210
my part. And together, we're going to grow. We're going

1474
01:17:26.229 --> 01:17:28.170
to love. We're going to learn. We're going to live.

1475
01:17:28.189 --> 01:17:31.569
That's how that works. And my fear is that the

1476
01:17:31.609 --> 01:17:35.899
American church has gotten so lazy, church capital C, that

1477
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:40.260
we're not investing enough. We've been seduced by the world.

1478
01:17:40.890 --> 01:17:44.050
We've been taken over by the culture. We're being influenced

1479
01:17:44.090 --> 01:17:47.359
by the media. And all of that is dragging us

1480
01:17:47.460 --> 01:17:51.640
away from God himself. And we're not kicking and then

1481
01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:55.380
screaming and fighting that with all we've got. We've got

1482
01:17:55.420 --> 01:17:58.539
to get back to God. He is our only hope.

1483
01:17:59.149 --> 01:18:04.069
Well, exactly right, George, because we are failing to know God.

1484
01:18:04.630 --> 01:18:07.949
And that breaks off the relationship. This is our source.

1485
01:18:08.029 --> 01:18:10.439
I mean, we're not connected to the vine anymore. And

1486
01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:14.159
look at the fruit that's being demonstrated here. And it's not,

1487
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:17.600
look at, this is for self-evaluation. I mean, if you're

1488
01:18:17.659 --> 01:18:20.239
in prayer with God, if you're in his word, if

1489
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:23.000
you are continuing to build that relationship, if you can

1490
01:18:23.060 --> 01:18:25.000
say that you're closer to God this year than you

1491
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.189
were last year, I think that's a good thing.

1492
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.649
That's good. Yeah. I mean, you look for movement. It's

1493
01:18:30.689 --> 01:18:33.069
going to be incremental movement. You're not going to go

1494
01:18:33.109 --> 01:18:35.760
from one to 10 in a week. If you go

1495
01:18:35.859 --> 01:18:38.659
from one to 1.2 in a week, wow, that's good.

1496
01:18:38.739 --> 01:18:41.659
All right, you're moving in the right direction. But one

1497
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:43.819
of the things I see, Bill, in this research is

1498
01:18:43.890 --> 01:18:48.069
that most Americans do not believe that Satan is real

1499
01:18:49.029 --> 01:18:53.500
and not. of them do not believe that the Holy

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01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:58.100
Spirit is real. And this is the helper that God

1501
01:18:58.140 --> 01:19:02.380
has sent to us to make those incremental gains. And

1502
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.800
so because we don't have that relationship with him, we

1503
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.329
don't understand these spiritual dynamics. We're not open to the

1504
01:19:09.369 --> 01:19:13.729
Holy Spirit coming and inhabiting us, literally. And, you know,

1505
01:19:14.130 --> 01:19:16.109
some people talk, well, my conscience, you know, it's on

1506
01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:18.250
my conscience. Well, that's the Holy Spirit, man. I mean,

1507
01:19:18.270 --> 01:19:21.510
you know, put these things together and begin to understand

1508
01:19:21.569 --> 01:19:24.609
when you allow the Holy Spirit to inhabit you and

1509
01:19:24.630 --> 01:19:28.170
to lead you and you learn the voice and so

1510
01:19:28.210 --> 01:19:33.350
you start listening more carefully. That's incremental steps. So, you know,

1511
01:19:33.699 --> 01:19:38.170
each of us needs to be constantly reevaluating our spiritual lives,

1512
01:19:38.609 --> 01:19:41.489
trying to figure out what can we do to get

1513
01:19:41.630 --> 01:19:44.720
deeper in that relationship with God. And so if you

1514
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.520
sent me a helper, let me work with the helper.

1515
01:19:47.779 --> 01:19:50.100
The helper knows where we're supposed to go. Right.

1516
01:19:50.500 --> 01:19:54.970
Well, yeah, because here we are, George. I mean, we're body, mind,

1517
01:19:55.109 --> 01:19:58.689
and spirit. We're spiritual beings. We ignore that part to

1518
01:19:58.810 --> 01:20:00.970
our own demise. Jesus said, I have to leave that

1519
01:20:00.989 --> 01:20:03.789
the Holy Spirit would come to lead you, to continue

1520
01:20:03.850 --> 01:20:08.039
to guide you in truth and wisdom. And the thing is,

1521
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:13.619
is that I think most Christians, most Bible-believing Christians that

1522
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.739
still believe in God understand that the battle that we're

1523
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:20.050
in right now is a spiritual battle. So how do

1524
01:20:20.069 --> 01:20:23.130
you fight a spiritual battle without spiritual weaponry?

1525
01:20:24.270 --> 01:20:27.050
Can't do it. Can't do it. You know, and part

1526
01:20:27.069 --> 01:20:28.850
of it too, Bill, and I mean, one of the

1527
01:20:28.890 --> 01:20:31.390
things that blows me away in the study, we found

1528
01:20:31.430 --> 01:20:35.210
that only one out of four Americans believe that human

1529
01:20:35.270 --> 01:20:40.539
life is sacred. So we're in this weird place where

1530
01:20:40.579 --> 01:20:44.560
we're arrogant, we're selfish, we're full of ourselves. And yet

1531
01:20:44.659 --> 01:20:48.380
we don't believe that our lives are given to us

1532
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:53.159
by God and sacred because it's his gift. It's his

1533
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:56.939
special creation. We're made in his image for his purposes.

1534
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.289
So we're so confused. You know, and you and I

1535
01:21:00.310 --> 01:21:03.710
have talked about our worldview research in the past and

1536
01:21:04.090 --> 01:21:07.729
the fact that we're syncretists. That's the reigning worldview in America,

1537
01:21:08.250 --> 01:21:10.770
which is where you just pull a little bit from Marxism,

1538
01:21:10.789 --> 01:21:14.310
a little bit secular humanism. Give me some of that postmodernism. Ooh,

1539
01:21:14.350 --> 01:21:17.369
this Eastern mystical stuff looks good. I'll take a little

1540
01:21:17.390 --> 01:21:19.529
bit of Bible. You know, and you put it all together,

1541
01:21:19.569 --> 01:21:22.050
you mash it up, and you've got your own custom worldview.

1542
01:21:22.810 --> 01:21:25.270
But the problem with that is that it leaves us

1543
01:21:25.409 --> 01:21:29.750
terribly confused about what's right, what's wrong, what's real, what's false,

1544
01:21:30.149 --> 01:21:34.130
what's deceptive, what's accurate. And so, you know, we've got

1545
01:21:34.170 --> 01:21:37.409
to go back to the one place that's always true,

1546
01:21:37.630 --> 01:21:42.510
always real, always relevant, always reliable, God's Word. So get

1547
01:21:42.550 --> 01:21:45.930
back in His Word. Let Him show you the way.

1548
01:21:46.470 --> 01:21:49.850
Let the Holy Spirit guide you down that path. Learn

1549
01:21:49.869 --> 01:21:52.149
to listen to the voice so that you're making better

1550
01:21:52.189 --> 01:21:55.199
decisions every day. You're not going to hit a thousand,

1551
01:21:55.220 --> 01:21:58.119
you know, right out of the first game. You know,

1552
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.619
you're probably going to strike out four times, but that's okay.

1553
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:02.899
Maybe you hit a few foul balls. Next day, maybe

1554
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:04.800
you're going to hit a grounder. Day after that, maybe

1555
01:22:04.819 --> 01:22:05.180
a single.

1556
01:22:05.220 --> 01:22:05.560
Who knows?

1557
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:07.140
You know, but you got to grow.

1558
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:11.100
Yeah, exactly. Well, George, as we wrap things up, where

1559
01:22:11.140 --> 01:22:13.479
can people go, you know, plug in? I mean, this

1560
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.680
is some great research. I mean, this is really, in

1561
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.159
so many ways, mind-blowing, but it's also a call.

1562
01:22:20.100 --> 01:22:20.380
It is.

1563
01:22:20.460 --> 01:22:21.760
And I mean, you know, they can get it a

1564
01:22:21.779 --> 01:22:26.899
couple of places. They can go to culturalresearchcenter.com or they

1565
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:31.119
can go to georgebarna.com. We've got all the reports in

1566
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.229
both places. You can download them for free. But the

1567
01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:37.310
important thing is read them, think about them, pray about them.

1568
01:22:38.029 --> 01:22:41.310
And most importantly, do something about it, whether it's in

1569
01:22:41.350 --> 01:22:44.449
your own life spiritually so that you grow, or maybe

1570
01:22:44.510 --> 01:22:47.550
it's other people that you can help to grow, particularly

1571
01:22:47.609 --> 01:22:52.329
if you're a disciple. recognize your responsibility to be discipling

1572
01:22:52.409 --> 01:22:54.850
others all the time. The only way we're going to

1573
01:22:54.949 --> 01:22:58.149
grow the kingdom is if we put the footwork in.

1574
01:22:58.529 --> 01:23:01.229
You know, we do the sweat equity here to help

1575
01:23:01.289 --> 01:23:03.930
build it. God will help us along the way as

1576
01:23:03.989 --> 01:23:07.520
we demonstrate that heart. But we've got to make that step.

1577
01:23:07.850 --> 01:23:09.560
That's the key first step to do, right?

1578
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:12.760
It really is. Yeah. You know, go back to James.

1579
01:23:13.140 --> 01:23:15.439
You know, God's not looking for, you know, people who

1580
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.560
listen and give a cent. He's looking for doers. People

1581
01:23:18.619 --> 01:23:21.390
will take the word and put it into action. Dr.

1582
01:23:21.430 --> 01:23:24.289
George Barna, the Director of Research at Arizona Christian University's

1583
01:23:24.310 --> 01:23:27.800
Cultural Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions.

1584
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:28.119
Dr.

1585
01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:30.460
George, as always, great to have you with us. Take care.

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01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:30.920
God bless.

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We're back with you. Glad you could join us. I'm

1658
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Bill Martinez, and we're going to be talking with an

1659
01:27:44.630 --> 01:27:47.989
Army vet, and he has an incredible story to tell.

1660
01:27:48.529 --> 01:27:50.909
And also, Lindsey Gray is going to join us.

1661
01:27:50.930 --> 01:27:52.449
She serves as a suicide.

1662
01:27:52.050 --> 01:27:56.649
Prevention manager at Wounded Warriors. And, you know, let's talk

1663
01:27:56.689 --> 01:27:59.359
about this. A little bit of background. You know, it

1664
01:27:59.420 --> 01:28:02.279
shouldn't be harder to come home than it is to serve.

1665
01:28:02.739 --> 01:28:05.060
But for many vets, it is. Suicide remains one of

1666
01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:08.560
the most urgent challenges facing the veteran community, with the U.S.

1667
01:28:08.579 --> 01:28:12.279
Department of Veterans Affairs reporting that 17 veterans die by

1668
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:16.000
suicide every day. I know it's hard for your brain

1669
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:17.800
to handle suicide. But, I mean, this happens every day,

1670
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:21.359
17 vets. You imagine the impact that has on the

1671
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:24.439
families that are left behind, not to mention the friends

1672
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:27.939
and everybody else associated in their world. And this is

1673
01:28:27.979 --> 01:28:30.829
to say by the end of the year, more than 6,200

1674
01:28:30.829 --> 01:28:33.829
veterans will be lost to this epidemic. But that can change.

1675
01:28:33.890 --> 01:28:37.689
Wounded Warrior Project is committed to ending this nationwide crisis,

1676
01:28:37.850 --> 01:28:41.729
and it starts with connection. A single check-in conversation or

1677
01:28:41.770 --> 01:28:44.189
text can be the first step to making a difference

1678
01:28:44.229 --> 01:28:47.689
before veterans reach a crisis. So when we make people

1679
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:51.020
feel seen, heard, valued, and supported, we can create pathways

1680
01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:54.260
toward hope and healing. And here to tell us more

1681
01:28:54.380 --> 01:28:58.140
about it is Shante Franco. She's a warrior and Army vet.

1682
01:28:58.689 --> 01:29:03.109
and also Lindsey Gray, as I mentioned, the suicide prevention manager. Welcome, Michelle.

1683
01:29:03.130 --> 01:29:03.930
Good to have you with us.

1684
01:29:05.569 --> 01:29:06.329
Hi, thank you.

1685
01:29:07.409 --> 01:29:10.180
Let's talk about some of the early warning signs that

1686
01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:13.220
a vet might be considering suicide.

1687
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:15.899
Yeah, sure.

1688
01:29:15.979 --> 01:29:18.260
And I think, you know, this is where some of

1689
01:29:18.340 --> 01:29:23.310
our biggest challenge happens because suicide warning signs are unfortunately

1690
01:29:23.390 --> 01:29:25.550
as unique an individual as the person who might be

1691
01:29:25.590 --> 01:29:29.199
thinking about suicide. And so Really what we just encourage

1692
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:32.319
people to do is pay attention to the people around you, right?

1693
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:35.279
Pay attention to maybe sometimes subtle changes that you might

1694
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:39.449
notice in sleep, in behavior, in appetite, in how they're

1695
01:29:39.489 --> 01:29:42.550
engaging with you or in the communities around them. Because

1696
01:29:42.590 --> 01:29:47.010
sometimes those really small changes are kind of the most

1697
01:29:47.029 --> 01:29:49.270
that people are willing to show us. There's so much

1698
01:29:49.369 --> 01:29:52.510
fear around this that those signs can be sometimes tricky.

1699
01:29:53.289 --> 01:29:58.220
Right. Well, Shante, as a Army vet yourself, active duty

1700
01:29:58.260 --> 01:30:01.579
and reserve. As I mentioned to the audience, you have

1701
01:30:01.619 --> 01:30:05.779
quite the story. At your first duty station, you survived

1702
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:09.979
an attempt on your own life after experiencing military sexual trauma.

1703
01:30:10.579 --> 01:30:14.439
Years later, as a new mom, unknowingly living with PTSD

1704
01:30:14.970 --> 01:30:19.890
and postpartum depression, you survived a second attempt. So you

1705
01:30:19.989 --> 01:30:23.310
know from what you talk about and what vets are

1706
01:30:23.369 --> 01:30:25.239
dealing with right now. Tell us.

1707
01:30:27.350 --> 01:30:28.170
Absolutely.

1708
01:30:28.430 --> 01:30:32.449
In both of those instances, I will say isolation played

1709
01:30:32.670 --> 01:30:38.710
a huge factor, not being, not having connection, not being

1710
01:30:38.789 --> 01:30:42.649
in community. And I give myself grace because I understand

1711
01:30:42.689 --> 01:30:44.850
that I was in survival mode and a lot of

1712
01:30:44.979 --> 01:30:51.680
our veterans are. So although many say, well, they're surrounded

1713
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.840
by people all day, you can be the loneliest person

1714
01:30:54.859 --> 01:31:00.619
in a crowd of people because you're not talking. So

1715
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:06.819
connection definitely helped me heal, healing from both attempts.

1716
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:11.239
Well, and as you say, something as simple as a conversation,

1717
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:16.399
just friends, neighbors checking in. Shante, how you doing? To

1718
01:31:17.699 --> 01:31:23.039
get you outside of yourself, because sometimes what happens is

1719
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:26.539
you may be an extrovert by nature, But the trauma

1720
01:31:26.579 --> 01:31:30.899
turns you into an introvert. Well, that's counterproductive. It's counter-psychologically,

1721
01:31:30.979 --> 01:31:31.300
isn't it?

1722
01:31:33.210 --> 01:31:37.630
It is counterproductive, but again, I give grace because the

1723
01:31:37.670 --> 01:31:42.729
way our brains try to protect us, it doesn't really

1724
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:46.720
make sense unless you know all the science, but it

1725
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:50.539
is our brain trying to protect us because when we're isolating...

1726
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:53.770
a lot of the times we are either trying to

1727
01:31:53.859 --> 01:31:56.930
protect ourselves or we feel like we're protecting other people.

1728
01:31:57.930 --> 01:32:00.590
We don't want to be a burden to other people.

1729
01:32:01.289 --> 01:32:05.470
And so it is hard to, it's a difficult challenge

1730
01:32:05.930 --> 01:32:09.869
to combat that, especially when a person seems like they're

1731
01:32:10.229 --> 01:32:14.279
doing fine. I maxed very well, which is how I

1732
01:32:15.300 --> 01:32:18.800
came to both of those attempts is I maxed very well.

1733
01:32:19.859 --> 01:32:25.710
And it's a complicated issue. And I'm sincerely happy that

1734
01:32:26.289 --> 01:32:30.449
as a country, as a nation, we are willing to

1735
01:32:30.710 --> 01:32:32.630
have this uncomfortable conversation.

1736
01:32:33.250 --> 01:32:33.649
Exactly.

1737
01:32:34.010 --> 01:32:37.560
You know, Lindsay, you know, Shante says, this is an

1738
01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:42.000
important conversation, a critical conversation to have. And that, you know,

1739
01:32:42.060 --> 01:32:44.680
just to hear her description, it reminds me how the

1740
01:32:44.739 --> 01:32:47.779
body reacts to pain and how it will self protect

1741
01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:51.300
And in doing so, especially with something like this, it

1742
01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:52.520
can be devastating, right?

1743
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:58.819
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the emotional pain that people are

1744
01:32:58.859 --> 01:33:02.680
feeling begins to trigger symptoms in our brain of actual

1745
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.579
physical pain. And so, yeah, it's the body's way of

1746
01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:11.159
shifting into a survival-based protective mode. And so, unfortunately, that

1747
01:33:11.180 --> 01:33:14.810
means some of our higher order thought processing of managing

1748
01:33:14.850 --> 01:33:18.170
emotions and problem solving become unavailable to us. And so

1749
01:33:18.210 --> 01:33:21.949
it's really hard to think beyond this pain that we're

1750
01:33:21.989 --> 01:33:23.930
feeling to see hope for another day.

1751
01:33:23.949 --> 01:33:27.680
Well, exactly. What is Wounded Wire Project doing to end

1752
01:33:27.729 --> 01:33:29.100
veteran suicide, Lindsay?

1753
01:33:30.460 --> 01:33:34.199
Yeah, so it's a complicated task, as we've said, and

1754
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.119
we're working in a couple of ways to address this.

1755
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:41.100
So one is raising awareness, opening conversations, reducing stigma, training

1756
01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:44.439
our communities to talk openly about the topic. The other

1757
01:33:44.510 --> 01:33:48.409
piece is action, working to connect veterans, their family support

1758
01:33:48.430 --> 01:33:51.909
members and service members to life-saving programs and services, as

1759
01:33:51.949 --> 01:33:57.529
well as to their community. And advocacy on a national level,

1760
01:33:59.130 --> 01:34:03.460
voices of those who have served to ensure that they're

1761
01:34:03.579 --> 01:34:07.979
able to access life-saving care and reducing barriers to that care.

1762
01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:17.159
Shantae, how would you... encourage other vets to have that open,

1763
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:19.340
honest conversation about suicide?

1764
01:34:23.699 --> 01:34:30.340
This is yet another nuanced question. It's layered because when

1765
01:34:30.380 --> 01:34:34.590
you are in that moment, it's really hard to hear anything.

1766
01:34:35.829 --> 01:34:39.289
But if you are in a space where you recognize

1767
01:34:39.470 --> 01:34:42.779
that you need help or you recognize that you shouldn't

1768
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:46.659
be alone, again, lean on the connections that you have

1769
01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.300
and the community that you have. And if you do

1770
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:52.140
not have a community or if you do not have

1771
01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.060
connections that you can lean on, definitely reach out to

1772
01:34:56.159 --> 01:35:00.789
any of the hotlines. And also you can veterans. I

1773
01:35:00.869 --> 01:35:05.350
am encouraging you to join the Wounded Warrior Project because

1774
01:35:05.449 --> 01:35:09.649
that is where I found the most meaningful connections and

1775
01:35:09.689 --> 01:35:11.729
it has absolutely changed my life.

1776
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.460
Well, and it is tough. Being a Marine myself, I

1777
01:35:17.500 --> 01:35:22.479
can say to you that not everybody understands what happens

1778
01:35:22.739 --> 01:35:28.079
in war, what happens in the military ethos and, you know,

1779
01:35:28.140 --> 01:35:30.779
in the environment. And sometimes it's hard for people to

1780
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:34.119
understand who have not experienced. But when you are involved

1781
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:37.380
with other people who have had experience like the Wounded

1782
01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:41.449
Warrior Project, it's a lot easier to open up and

1783
01:35:41.489 --> 01:35:43.090
have those kind of conversations, right?

1784
01:35:45.310 --> 01:35:45.909
Absolutely.

1785
01:35:45.930 --> 01:35:49.210
It is a lot easier because you don't feel judged.

1786
01:35:50.090 --> 01:35:54.819
And you can say the unspoken words. that we may

1787
01:35:54.880 --> 01:36:00.079
not say to our loved ones or a civilian friend

1788
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:05.689
at work because we know what it sounds like. So

1789
01:36:05.829 --> 01:36:08.050
when you're in a space where you can just say

1790
01:36:08.069 --> 01:36:13.529
the things and they understand you, again, that is life-changing.

1791
01:36:13.810 --> 01:36:17.590
That is what community is, being able to speak your

1792
01:36:17.630 --> 01:36:22.079
truth and have a space that's going to hold.

1793
01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:23.720
It Right, exactly.

1794
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:27.000
Well, Lindsay, what should someone do if they're worried about

1795
01:36:27.020 --> 01:36:29.659
a vet or other loved one in their life?

1796
01:36:31.180 --> 01:36:34.479
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is trust your intuition, right?

1797
01:36:34.539 --> 01:36:37.640
If you're concerned about someone, it is taking the step

1798
01:36:37.659 --> 01:36:40.619
to open this conversation. And sometimes that's with a simple

1799
01:36:40.659 --> 01:36:41.460
question of how are.

1800
01:36:41.380 --> 01:36:42.239
You really doing?

1801
01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.380
Pay attention or use some of the things that have

1802
01:36:45.420 --> 01:36:48.159
led you to maybe be concerned. And then if you

1803
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:52.140
need to ask directly about suicide. We encourage people to

1804
01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:54.939
try to just be curious about what's happening.

1805
01:36:54.619 --> 01:36:55.600
With their loved ones.

1806
01:36:55.659 --> 01:37:00.260
It's sometimes easy to make judgments or assumptions. And those assumptions, unfortunately,

1807
01:37:00.300 --> 01:37:04.560
can be really dangerous. So just being open and curious,

1808
01:37:04.619 --> 01:37:06.069
I think, is the best thing that we can do

1809
01:37:06.109 --> 01:37:08.350
for the people. And then to Shante's point, really just

1810
01:37:08.449 --> 01:37:10.329
listening to try to hear what's happening.

1811
01:37:11.369 --> 01:37:14.210
Well, Shante Franco, warrior and Army vet, thank you for

1812
01:37:14.270 --> 01:37:17.590
coming on the show. And Lindsay Gray, the suicide prevention

1813
01:37:17.630 --> 01:37:21.409
manager with the Wounded Warrior Project. Appreciate your time and

1814
01:37:22.229 --> 01:37:26.539
your openness to share something that's difficult sometimes to have

1815
01:37:26.579 --> 01:37:30.779
these conversations, but they're critical. They're lifesaving. So, Lindsay, to

1816
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:33.039
wrap things up, where can they go for more information?

1817
01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:36.979
Yeah, if you're looking for resources or support, you can

1818
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:41.189
visit us at windedwarriorproject.org forward slash prevent suicide.

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Hey, good morning.

1886
01:41:44.350 --> 01:41:47.050
Back with you, Bill Martinez here, along with Focus on

1887
01:41:47.090 --> 01:41:49.619
the Family's Paul Aksay from PluggedIn.com.

1888
01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:50.579
Mr. Paul, how are we doing?

1889
01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:51.840
I'm doing great.

1890
01:41:51.859 --> 01:41:52.640
How are you doing?

1891
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:57.180
Hey, I'm doing terrific. I got to tell you, seeing

1892
01:41:57.239 --> 01:42:01.819
the flags flying at half-mast for Dolly Parton is, you know,

1893
01:42:02.260 --> 01:42:06.010
you can't help but be a little emotional. I'll tell

1894
01:42:06.029 --> 01:42:09.670
you what she did to contribute, I think, to the

1895
01:42:09.750 --> 01:42:15.350
wholesomeness and the best of America. You know, Dolly Parton

1896
01:42:15.689 --> 01:42:18.409
really was the epitome of it. And I think she

1897
01:42:18.430 --> 01:42:21.829
can be quite the example, you know, for young girls

1898
01:42:21.869 --> 01:42:24.689
growing up. And I even think for, you know, would-be

1899
01:42:24.770 --> 01:42:28.920
celebs that, you know, would want to be in that realm.

1900
01:42:28.979 --> 01:42:32.199
I mean, Dolly Parton was in a, I would say,

1901
01:42:32.220 --> 01:42:34.060
in a realm.

1902
01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:34.539
All her own.

1903
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:38.380
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. You know, it is interesting

1904
01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:41.909
because you don't find a lot of people who are

1905
01:42:42.029 --> 01:42:47.359
truly universally beloved. And Dolly Parton is one of the very,

1906
01:42:47.420 --> 01:42:52.760
very few people who I think, people, whatever your political views,

1907
01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:57.409
whatever your social views are, it feels like Dolly Parton

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01:42:57.449 --> 01:43:01.310
was able to touch everybody. And I think part of

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01:43:01.350 --> 01:43:05.750
that has to do with just her humility. She was

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01:43:05.869 --> 01:43:09.739
very self-depreciating in her humor, and yet she was incredibly

1911
01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:14.909
talented in And she gave so much to the people

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01:43:14.930 --> 01:43:16.890
who were around her. I was just reading this morning

1913
01:43:16.930 --> 01:43:22.489
about how she created this philanthropic group to donate books

1914
01:43:23.090 --> 01:43:26.289
to kids who need them. And I just thought that

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01:43:26.329 --> 01:43:29.170
was a beautiful, beautiful thing that she was able to do.

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01:43:29.229 --> 01:43:32.649
And she just had a way of bringing people together.

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01:43:32.689 --> 01:43:35.819
And that's very, very rare these days, for sure.

1918
01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:38.939
And she purposely stayed out of politics. I don't think

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01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:41.520
she was all that interested in it, frankly. which isn't

1920
01:43:41.539 --> 01:43:43.979
to say she didn't have an opinion, but I tell you,

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01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:47.020
you didn't know. Like, you know, when I was growing up,

1922
01:43:47.060 --> 01:43:50.729
there were the likes of, you know, Jack Benny or,

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01:43:52.210 --> 01:43:56.250
you know, other artists, Red Skeleton and Bob Hope and that, that,

1924
01:43:56.630 --> 01:43:59.810
you know, they didn't wear their politics on their sleeve,

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01:44:01.130 --> 01:44:03.880
you know, and you kind of appreciated that because you

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01:44:03.899 --> 01:44:06.779
could be in the room with anybody and not feel

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01:44:06.819 --> 01:44:09.340
like you were sitting on pins and needles just waiting

1928
01:44:09.380 --> 01:44:13.359
for somebody to get you know, triggered and launch at you, right?

1929
01:44:14.149 --> 01:44:14.600
Right, right.

1930
01:44:14.659 --> 01:44:18.489
Exactly, exactly. And I do think that there is, one

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01:44:18.510 --> 01:44:21.550
of the great things that I like about my job

1932
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is that sometimes entertainment can become a unifying force, but

1933
01:44:25.390 --> 01:44:29.140
it's becoming less and less so just because so many

1934
01:44:29.180 --> 01:44:32.180
people want to express their opinions. And I totally get it.

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This is a free country. People can talk about their opinions,

1936
01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.579
but I do think that it cuts off the audience

1937
01:44:37.699 --> 01:44:41.979
and it can alienate people And really, I'm not sure

1938
01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.739
how much I care about what an actor thinks about politics,

1939
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:47.390
even if he's won a couple of Oscars.

1940
01:44:47.819 --> 01:44:50.970
Right. And sometimes even our closest friends. I don't care. But,

1941
01:44:52.029 --> 01:44:55.170
you know, just saying only because what happens is I

1942
01:44:55.210 --> 01:44:58.229
think that and this is, again, you know, the Christian

1943
01:44:58.350 --> 01:45:00.850
ethos that we're told to edify. We have to think

1944
01:45:00.869 --> 01:45:04.020
of ways that are going to enlarge people, not bring

1945
01:45:04.060 --> 01:45:08.600
them down, you know, to, you know, come into the

1946
01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:11.829
environment with it. a sense of humility, because when you

1947
01:45:11.890 --> 01:45:16.159
realized how flawed we all are, I think it's absolute

1948
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:19.460
arrogance to think that you're more important than the other person.

1949
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

1951
01:45:20.779 --> 01:45:22.220
I think that that's very true. And I think that

1952
01:45:22.260 --> 01:45:27.119
that's something it, it always, it always behooves us to recognize,

1953
01:45:27.180 --> 01:45:30.409
you know, I think that, that, that sometimes we, we

1954
01:45:30.449 --> 01:45:33.510
can get kind of full of ourselves, you know, but,

1955
01:45:33.909 --> 01:45:37.069
but it's, it's so important to approach these conversations with

1956
01:45:37.109 --> 01:45:40.800
humility because it opens doors and And it reflects, I think,

1957
01:45:40.979 --> 01:45:43.500
you know, what we're supposed, the posture we're supposed to

1958
01:45:43.539 --> 01:45:45.359
have before God and before others.

1959
01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:48.220
Well, and the thing is, is that, look at, what

1960
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:50.020
has it been? You know, I want to say at

1961
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:53.239
least a decade, Paul, if not longer, where we have

1962
01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:56.880
this bitter divide going on, where, you know, families can't

1963
01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.779
go to the same Thanksgiving dinner together anymore. And this

1964
01:46:00.859 --> 01:46:04.850
is what this angry culture has produced. And I'm saying, okay,

1965
01:46:04.869 --> 01:46:07.010
how much more of this are you willing to tolerate

1966
01:46:07.289 --> 01:46:10.390
to where you say, stop it? You know, we just,

1967
01:46:11.109 --> 01:46:14.449
you know, this is not serving our higher angels, our

1968
01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:18.199
better aspect of our character and what we'd want to be.

1969
01:46:18.220 --> 01:46:21.920
It's like, who cares what's happening on social media? Who

1970
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.840
cares what's happening on all these different, you know, cable

1971
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.300
channels and their opinions and that sort of thing? It's like,

1972
01:46:28.340 --> 01:46:31.899
look at, you know, we've got things of more value,

1973
01:46:31.939 --> 01:46:35.539
like you said, Paul, to consider and, you know, put

1974
01:46:35.579 --> 01:46:36.520
our energies towards.

1975
01:46:37.569 --> 01:46:41.239
Yeah, yeah, I think that that's absolutely right. I think

1976
01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:46.520
that sometimes we lose sight of that because of social media,

1977
01:46:46.539 --> 01:46:49.319
because of a lot of different factors, right? Even our

1978
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:55.520
entertainment is so fragmented now. And I think that that

1979
01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:58.380
has an impact when we're all watching our own favorite

1980
01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:00.739
shows on our phones without anybody else in the room.

1981
01:47:01.390 --> 01:47:03.250
it can have an impact on how we can talk

1982
01:47:03.270 --> 01:47:06.210
with other people. There's just an inability to talk with

1983
01:47:06.250 --> 01:47:07.689
other people. And I think that's a shame.

1984
01:47:08.850 --> 01:47:11.210
You're right. You're right. I mean, everything is so condescending

1985
01:47:11.430 --> 01:47:14.260
and argumentative. It's like, you know, can we come up

1986
01:47:14.300 --> 01:47:16.979
with something more creative in a way that, you know,

1987
01:47:17.020 --> 01:47:20.520
you enjoy sitting there with your family and you're blessed

1988
01:47:20.579 --> 01:47:22.699
and you're a better person as a result of it?

1989
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:24.039
Yeah. Yeah.

1990
01:47:24.420 --> 01:47:26.880
And I think that sometimes it's okay to be uncomfortable

1991
01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:29.939
because you love these people. You may not agree with them.

1992
01:47:30.729 --> 01:47:34.890
It's okay to disagree. It is just fine to express

1993
01:47:34.949 --> 01:47:37.800
that disagreement, but express it in love, express it in

1994
01:47:37.859 --> 01:47:43.260
the idea that, man, we are all on this journey together, right?

1995
01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:46.840
And no matter what you think, no matter what you feel,

1996
01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:48.960
I still really care for you.

1997
01:47:48.979 --> 01:47:52.300
Well, I'll tell you right now in my daily devotions,

1998
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:55.710
I'm reading up on the book of Job because it's

1999
01:47:55.750 --> 01:47:58.390
that time of year. It comes around all this time,

2000
01:47:58.409 --> 01:48:01.479
you know, every August. got to read the book of Job.

2001
01:48:02.100 --> 01:48:05.170
And I would say that when you get overwhelmed and

2002
01:48:05.189 --> 01:48:09.130
you find yourself reacting and being triggered by social media

2003
01:48:09.189 --> 01:48:11.390
or some of these movies that really set us up,

2004
01:48:11.869 --> 01:48:13.949
you know, to go down the wrong road, read the

2005
01:48:13.989 --> 01:48:16.039
book of Job. You know, to me, the book of

2006
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:19.020
Job is very humbling as you go through it and

2007
01:48:19.060 --> 01:48:21.970
you see you know, here it is, his so-called friends

2008
01:48:22.029 --> 01:48:27.720
coming together with, you know, human, you know, perspective and advice. And,

2009
01:48:28.180 --> 01:48:29.439
you know, of course, when you've read the book of

2010
01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:31.800
Job several times, you go, oh, these guys still don't

2011
01:48:31.819 --> 01:48:33.220
get it. Don't they know what's coming up.

2012
01:48:33.180 --> 01:48:33.760
At the end?

2013
01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:34.439
Yeah.

2014
01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:35.100
Yeah.

2015
01:48:35.340 --> 01:48:35.560
Yeah.

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01:48:35.619 --> 01:48:35.819
Right.

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01:48:36.020 --> 01:48:39.079
It is, you know, and I got to say, Job, honestly,

2018
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:43.220
might be my favorite Old Testament book. I love the

2019
01:48:43.260 --> 01:48:47.079
book of Job, in part because of exactly what you said,

2020
01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:50.939
in part because it is just so beautifully written. I

2021
01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:53.739
think it's just a fantastic, fantastic book.

2022
01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:58.720
Well, it captures our humanity, I mean, without God, and

2023
01:48:59.020 --> 01:49:02.819
that's what happens. You start thinking, okay, my opinion counts,

2024
01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:06.050
and you disconnect from God. You're not looking to God,

2025
01:49:06.100 --> 01:49:09.899
and And you just are opining on what you think,

2026
01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:12.479
you know, God is about. And, you know, like the

2027
01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:15.800
Bible says, you know, man makes his plans and God laughs.

2028
01:49:18.550 --> 01:49:21.409
You know, we give God a lot to laugh about

2029
01:49:21.489 --> 01:49:24.930
and thank God for his grace and mercy. So, you know,

2030
01:49:25.109 --> 01:49:27.109
the good news is, and this is what I love

2031
01:49:27.149 --> 01:49:30.609
about our faith, Paul, is that we're often reminded of

2032
01:49:30.670 --> 01:49:33.449
how much better it can be. And can you imagine

2033
01:49:33.510 --> 01:49:36.899
a world without Christianity, without the gospel? without this kind

2034
01:49:36.939 --> 01:49:41.420
of hope, I think it just, we would end up

2035
01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:42.359
just killing ourselves.

2036
01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:44.239
Well, it's interesting.

2037
01:49:44.659 --> 01:49:47.640
Yeah, it is fascinating because I do think that this

2038
01:49:47.659 --> 01:49:49.750
has been several years ago, but I remember reading a

2039
01:49:49.789 --> 01:49:53.550
study that said Christians were by far the most generous

2040
01:49:53.590 --> 01:49:57.350
people in the world. They donate more to charities, not

2041
01:49:57.390 --> 01:50:00.449
just faith-based charities, but charities as a whole. And you

2042
01:50:00.550 --> 01:50:04.920
think about just even that very tangible thing that Christians

2043
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:09.810
have done for decades upon decades upon decades, easing suffering,

2044
01:50:09.949 --> 01:50:16.050
helping people learn, helping, helping these worthwhile organizations to, to

2045
01:50:16.130 --> 01:50:19.029
feed and clothe and house and educate and save babies

2046
01:50:19.100 --> 01:50:22.899
and all of that stuff that, that we, we, we

2047
01:50:23.020 --> 01:50:26.899
pour our money into. Um, that's something that, that even

2048
01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:30.180
that generosity I think is, is being lost at times and, and,

2049
01:50:30.810 --> 01:50:33.909
I think it's up to us Christians to remind people

2050
01:50:33.970 --> 01:50:36.409
that we're here to do better things than just scream

2051
01:50:36.470 --> 01:50:37.210
on social media.

2052
01:50:37.649 --> 01:50:39.350
Well, and the thing is, is like here we got

2053
01:50:39.869 --> 01:50:42.050
an incident in China that's occurred. I mean, it's just

2054
01:50:42.090 --> 01:50:45.939
so devastating. And who's who's poning up? I mean, it

2055
01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:50.020
is people of faith. You know, there is you get

2056
01:50:50.060 --> 01:50:53.640
an earthquake happening in South America. It's people of faith.

2057
01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:57.500
I mean, you know, again and again. And, you know,

2058
01:50:57.520 --> 01:51:01.810
we're blessed for that. And you hear about America in

2059
01:51:01.869 --> 01:51:05.470
its generous spirit. Anyway, that aside for the moment, let's

2060
01:51:05.489 --> 01:51:07.890
talk movies. Beyond Belief. What can you tell us about

2061
01:51:07.930 --> 01:51:08.250
that one?

2062
01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:11.489
So Beyond Belief, this is a Christian movie that's out.

2063
01:51:11.529 --> 01:51:13.880
It's not going to be out everywhere, but hopefully it'll

2064
01:51:13.899 --> 01:51:16.779
be out in theaters in bigger cities and that sort

2065
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:20.819
of thing. It's really the story about this kid in

2066
01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:25.560
the 1980s who he loves the band Petra. Do you

2067
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:26.600
remember Petra?

2068
01:51:26.619 --> 01:51:27.239
Oh, absolutely.

2069
01:51:27.260 --> 01:51:27.380
Yeah.

2070
01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:28.279
So Petra.

2071
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:31.760
Petra has a big role to play in this particular movie.

2072
01:51:31.779 --> 01:51:34.039
You hear the music all over the place. There's a

2073
01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:38.340
hilarious cameo that a couple of Petra bandmates make that

2074
01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:42.060
I think is really fun. But this kid really wants

2075
01:51:42.659 --> 01:51:46.640
to become a big deal himself in the Christian music world.

2076
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:49.779
So he and his band, they sign up for this

2077
01:51:49.859 --> 01:51:53.279
battle of the bands, hoping to save their family's church.

2078
01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:58.170
But he also gets a literal word from God. that

2079
01:51:58.250 --> 01:52:01.649
says run. Now, if this was a Stephen King book,

2080
01:52:01.689 --> 01:52:04.310
you would know that you would just need to leave

2081
01:52:04.350 --> 01:52:08.289
the house right away. But he takes this to mean

2082
01:52:08.710 --> 01:52:11.409
run a marathon, which just happens to take place the

2083
01:52:11.489 --> 01:52:13.609
same day as the finals of the Battle of the Bands.

2084
01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:19.340
So it's a really, really fascinating story. It has some

2085
01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:23.350
really nice young actors who are a part of it. Uh,

2086
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.720
it does feel it's, I don't think this is going

2087
01:52:26.739 --> 01:52:29.579
to win any Oscars. Let's be honest. Uh, this is

2088
01:52:29.619 --> 01:52:31.859
a Christian movie. It does feel like a Christian movie,

2089
01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:34.340
but for Christians who are looking for a good message

2090
01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:37.680
and something that they can embrace in terms of the

2091
01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:40.520
messaging and their faith, this is a pretty nice film.

2092
01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.210
And some older Christians that remember Petra. I mean, did

2093
01:52:43.510 --> 01:52:45.770
John Schlitt, our good friend do a little cameo in

2094
01:52:45.810 --> 01:52:46.310
there or not?

2095
01:52:46.529 --> 01:52:47.510
I believe he did.

2096
01:52:47.590 --> 01:52:48.329
Yes, he did.

2097
01:52:48.449 --> 01:52:48.750
Excellent.

2098
01:52:48.770 --> 01:52:50.649
I don't want to, I don't want to spoil anything.

2099
01:52:50.729 --> 01:52:51.010
Okay.

2100
01:52:51.029 --> 01:52:51.170
Yeah.

2101
01:52:51.210 --> 01:52:54.770
It's a, It's pretty delightful. And I think Petra was

2102
01:52:54.810 --> 01:52:57.409
the very first band that I actually saw in concert.

2103
01:52:57.430 --> 01:52:58.489
So it was pretty fun to see.

2104
01:52:58.949 --> 01:53:02.970
Well, that's good fun. So Beyond Belief, maybe at a

2105
01:53:02.989 --> 01:53:06.409
theater near you. So, you know, check it out. And

2106
01:53:06.529 --> 01:53:08.869
of course, these are the kind of movies, as people

2107
01:53:08.909 --> 01:53:11.710
of faith, we need to, you know, we need to

2108
01:53:11.750 --> 01:53:14.479
support so that we get more movies like this. Right, Paul?

2109
01:53:15.060 --> 01:53:15.840
Yeah, absolutely.

2110
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:16.380
Absolutely.

2111
01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.079
And I think the more we have seen the Christian movement,

2112
01:53:19.789 --> 01:53:22.810
movie industry grow by leaps and bounds, not only in

2113
01:53:22.850 --> 01:53:25.409
terms of the number of Christian movies, but in terms

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I love that.

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