Aug. 26, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 08 26 26

The Bill Martinez Show 08 26 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 08 26 26
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Are you ready yeah okay let's do it bill martinez

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live a program about current events our culture our values

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our politics and our future and now bill martinez.

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Well good morning six minutes after the top of the

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hour bill martinez here with the one and only bill

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federer the american minute creator and speaker hey mr.

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Bill how we doing great to be with you bill

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well i'll.

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Tell you it's amazing uh what's going on here in

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our country. We're no longer surrounded. We're invaded. Whether it's Muslims,

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it's democratic socialists, the communist Chinese, and God only knows

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what else, right? Right.

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Well, you know, spiritually, it's Deuteronomy 28, blessings and cursings.

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If a nation hearkens to the voice of the Lord,

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they'll be above and not below and head, not the tail.

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But if a nation does not hearken to the voice

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of the Lord, they'll be a debtor. And we just

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happen to be $ 40 trillion in debt. But it says

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the stranger will come in amongst you and rise up

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above you, and they will be the head and you

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will be the tail. And so how did God judge

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ancient Israel? When they sinned, he let the stranger come in.

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The Amalekite, Hittite, Moabite, Edomite, Termite, Mosquitobite. all the bites.

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Yeah.

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And, and, uh, then they were oppressed and then they

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repented and then God raised up a deliverer. And so

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dead and dying things attract devourers. A dead dog will

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attract buzzards. A dead bird will attract ants and a

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spiritually dead nation is going to attract devourers. And so

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we're under judgment. Uh, what do you do when you're

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under judgment? Repent really fast. Uh, Jeremiah 18 says, when

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I pronounce judgment on a nation, if they repent, I

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won't judge him.

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And, uh, But if you look at.

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Trends, generational trends, you see that Europe went through a

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Judeo-Christian Europe with 1,000 years of Catholic cathedrals, Protestant Reformation,

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Jewish neighborhoods, to a secular Europe with.

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The French Revolution. Free sex, anything goes, right? They tolerate

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every behavior.

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And then it's becoming an Islamic Europe with Muhammad being

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the number one name for newborns. And so we see

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that it's a drive, neutrally first. a Judeo-Christian past, secular,

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free sex present, Islamic future. And so the whole gay

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agenda is simply a transition phase. It's a generational cutting

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of the past that's Judeo-Christian to a secular. And how

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do they do it? They guilt trip Christians into being

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more Christian than Christ.

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You say, what?

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They say, yeah, if you're really Christian, you will tolerate

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this behavior forever. Then you'll tolerate that. You'll tolerate this, that.

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Pretty soon you're tolerating everything. And then Islam comes in

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and says, you've got to tolerate us now. And there's

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a 1,400-year track record of them conquering Christian and Jewish

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and even Hindu. In the 7th, 8th century, Kwasim was

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the caliph that invaded India. And the Hindu mindset was like, oh,

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hundreds of millions of gods, almost every family has their

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own god type of thing. And so when Islam came in,

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they go, oh, another god, fine, water's warm, jump in,

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it'll be fine. And the Hindu mind could not conceive

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of an exclusive god. It's just our Islamic way. It's like, oh, yeah, right,

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it'll be fine, come on in.

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And so the.

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Woke mindset is incapable of conceiving that you could possibly

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tolerate something that wants to kill you, right? It's like, no, no, no,

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tolerances are a cardinal virtue. You just tolerate everything and

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it's all going to be okay. It's like, you could

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be tolerating. I mean, there are people that want to

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take advantage of innocent. Why do we have laws that

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govern shysters in business?

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Because there's people that'll take advantage of people.

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Exactly.

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So anyway, drive neutral reverse. And so we see that.

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The Islamic immigrants into Europe, A fundamental Muslim man will

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have four wives and put them in apartments and they'll

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go down to the welfare office and say their husband's

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not around and they get welfare checks. Imagine that milking

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the welfare system. Anyway, the guy visits his wives and

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the more children they have, the larger the checks get.

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And he's living like a prince with his harem all

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paid for at state expense. And where the European family

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maybe has one child, the typical Muslim woman has five.

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And so if you look it up, you can Google it.

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The most popular name for newborns in Europe is Mohammed.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And so within a short time, they'll have a majority.

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And they don't need a majority. They just need two

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parties that are neck and neck. And they say, we

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will help your party against the other party. You just

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give us some concessions for doing it.

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And they're like, oh, fine.

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Look what happened in Minneapolis, right? It's exactly what happened. Yeah.

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So I was reading where Macron was told 10 years

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ago that Qatar was giving billions of dollars to Turkey

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to push all these Muslim immigrants into France and to

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Islamify France. And he knew about it, but they promised

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that they would vote for him. So he's like, keep

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it coming. So here you have politicians willing to betray

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their country so they can get reelected. And, uh, And

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so the danger is the woke middle, the ambitious politician

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that just is short-sighted and sees their immediate personal advancement.

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Do you see the World Economic Forum at the levers

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in all this, Bill? I mean, because it's not like

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Macron or even Erdogan is doing this on their own.

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it seems like there's a bigger influence that's kind of

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the Mad Hatter in the back room, almost the Wizard

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of Oz, that's pulling the levers and getting these people

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to sell their souls to these entities for the sake

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of power and control.

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Yeah, it's often called the Red-Green Alliance, where you have

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red being communism and green being Islamism. We think of checkers,

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but it's more like Chinese checkers. It's multiple checkers. And

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so once a nation begins to exhibit weakness, it's like

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Oklahoma land trush. It's like, okay, and so all these

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countries come in and say, we want to stake our claim,

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we want to stake our claim, right? You know, when

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the Roman Empire, you know, was weakened, you had all

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these different tribes invading and taking parts of it. And so, yeah,

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so the globalists are definitely a part. And from their

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point of view, they love crises. Um, and, uh, you know,

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you have, was it, um, the world economic forum, Klaus Schwab,

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he said, if the past 500 years has taught us anything,

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it's that acute crises contribute to increasing the power of

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the state. And so this is this awareness that, gee,

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if you have a global crisis, a healthcare crisis, a

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pandemic crisis, a climate crisis, uh, any type of global crisis, uh,

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It's the Rahm Emanuel quote, never let good crisis go

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to waste.

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Exactly.

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So we see a crisis and respond by saying, how

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can we help people through it? They see a crisis,

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they respond, how can we usurp power through it?

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Boy, and they sure did during COVID, didn't they?

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Yeah.

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I was reading Brock Chisholm was the first director of

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the World Health Organization, Brock Chisholm. And he said to

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achieve world government goals, It is necessary to remove from

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the minds of men their national patriotism. So here you

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have somebody that wants world government and he wants to

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use the World Health Organization to get there. And he says,

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we got to remove national patriotism. Stop being, you know,

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you know, but nations.

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You can't think like MAGA or, you know, the, you know,

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the Tea Party movement. Those are an anathema to these globalists.

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Yeah, and the same movements in Europe, you know, in

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Germany and in the Netherlands. And it's just from countries

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where the common people want to preserve their country. But

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the politicians, they are motivated by power and money and

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they're short-sighted. And if the globalists can say, hey, vote

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the way we want and we'll cushion your retirement, you know,

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they're fine with it. And in America, we have China

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doing the same. and they have powerful lobbies, and they

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have all these college students that learn all of our knowledge,

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and then they have family back there in China, and

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they say, you know, you get hired in America, and

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you funnel us insider information on these corporations, or it'll

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be bad for your relatives back in China.

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Well, we're talking with Bill Fetter. He is the American

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Minute creator and doing a little bit of a walkthrough

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history to kind of bring you up to speed because,

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you know, Bill, a lot of Americans' heads are spinning

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right now. They just can't believe what we're dealing with.

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But I guess, you know, the good news in one

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sense with the Democratic Party is now the Democratic Party

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is out of the closet and they're actually being honest.

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They're really telling you what they stand for. Actually, it's the...

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that hard left, probably about 2%, is controlling 98% of

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the Democrats. I mean, the moderates forget it. They have

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no place in this supposedly big tent of theirs, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And if we don't pass the SAVE Act and they

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can do voter fraud, then we could be stuck with

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these people in a position of impeaching the president and

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going after all his cabinet and then going after all

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the supporters. And we're back to pro-life Catholics having their

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churches being surveillanced and moms that don't want to have

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their child transitioned without their knowledge.

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Being arrested for speaking out at a.

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School board meeting. That's where they're itching to get back to.

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And that's the way it is in Europe. I mean,

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it was about a year ago now, not quite, I

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was talking to Father Calvin Robinson. He's an Anglican priest,

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and he's now in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And you may

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have seen him on YouTube debates at Oxford because he's

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brilliant and conservative. And he said, I cannot go back

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to England.

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And I said, what?

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He goes, censorship laws. This was a year ago. He said, 16,000

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people are in prison today in England, some for as

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little as liking a post.

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Or forwarding a tweet in England. And they're doing this

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in Europe and in Germany and all these countries.

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And so this is the way totalitarian dictators work.

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And you silence this.

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You know, the King of England tried doing it with

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what's called the writs of assistance, where the government gave

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itself the power to read everybody's letters, your personal correspondence, Now,

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they didn't have email back then, but they would rifle

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through people's personal letters.

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And, you know, people would start writing in code.

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And, you know, Jefferson, you know, they'd have like a

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decoder where they could turn these little, you know, wheels

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and match this letter up with that letter. And because

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their letters could be confiscated by the British and read through.

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But dictators always want to control the communications.

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Yeah, it's amazing because here it is, our First Amendment

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right is freedom of the press, right? Because they know

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if they can take away, well, our first two amendments,

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we're in trouble. I mean, you're captured. I mean, look

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what's happening in Iran.

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Yeah, communication is the nervous system of the body politic, right?

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If your foot is in a fire and it's sending

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signals to your brain, your brain will immediately react and

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pull the foot out of the fire.

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But if the nervous system doesn't work, the brain doesn't

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know to respond and you could lose a leg.

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So if they can control the communication, they can control

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the body politic.

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Well, and look what they've done with the mainstream media.

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I mean, to the point that Trump just calls them

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out all the time. And I know sometimes people get

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weary in hearing him refer to the fake news, but

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they still don't get it. I mean, they've lost audience.

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They continue to become less and less significant. But the

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unfortunate thing is we, the people, our constitutional republic suffers

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for lack of a free and fair press.

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You know, I was reading about AI and the University

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of Zurich did a study and found out that AI

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bots are six times more effective at getting you to

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change your views than humans are.

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And so every interaction you do with the internet, um,

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is there, the internet is building a profile on you.

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It saves everything.

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It knows how many seconds you're viewing each video. Uh,

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and it creates this profile of your positive and negative,

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your likes, your, your fears, right? Your pains, your pleasures,

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and it can motivate you at incrementally slow one step

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after another.

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But these are powerful.

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Um, It's called psychological operations. It's called disinformation campaigns. And

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it manipulates your perception. So they can actually make a

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boy think he is a girl.

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Like as if we don't have enough of that already, right?

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They can make people inject something into their body that

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they don't have a clue what it is. They can

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make people walk around with something on their face and

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they don't know why.

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I even... uh, heard a podcast.

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Where a Christian family had a son who was depressed

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and he committed suicide. And they're reading through his chat

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with his AI friend. And it says, Oh, there's multiverses

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and just pull the trigger. You'll be on the other side.

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You know, I'll see you on the other side. And

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this kid kills himself. I mean, these are tools that,

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and now they're more prevalent. I talked to somebody that

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does sales and he had to wear, you know, I

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guess turn his phone on, but this app recorded his

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sales pitch and analyzed it. And afterwards would give him pointers,

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what he did good, what he didn't do good, what

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he can improve on. And somebody came out of the

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house when he was knocking on the door and starts

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cussing him out. And the person's voice sort of sounded

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like his voice. And he goes back to look at

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the app and it says, you're terrible. You should be fired.

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You're the most horrible salesman. He thought that this person

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was cussing out a customer, right? And he like lost.

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His job over it.

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Oh my gosh. Wow.

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But yeah, so it's pervasive and it's going to.

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Be, uh, they're wanting to do assign a bot to

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a child, like at birth.

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And this AI bot will accompany them and help them to.

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Learn like a friend, like a genie, like a.

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So forget about your guardian angel. You now got a bot,

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a bot angel on your shoulder, right?

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And it'll, it'll know how to manipulate you so much. And, um, so, uh, the, um,

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It's pretty crazy, Bill, when you think about it.

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I mean, this is the trajectory that we're on. And

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these are some of the things early on that when

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we started talking about AI that were warning signals. And

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you wonder, is the government prepared? Because that's what we're

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looking to. We're looking to the government. But I'm saying, again,

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we need to be self-responsible. This is a government for

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by we the people. So we need to really up

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our game when it comes to critical thinking and discernment, right?

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I was reading where Obama signed an executive order in

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around 2014 using behavioral science insights to better benefit the

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American public.

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And I'm like, what? Behavioral science insights?

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It says to study how people make decisions and manipulate

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for the sake of national security. And so here in

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Obama gave the government permission to manipulate and censor voices

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that had a narrative that the government didn't like and

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then magnify the other voices. And we obviously saw that

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to think that they could censor former President Trump right

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after his first term.

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Literally, here's somebody who was.

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A president of the United States and they could totally

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censor him so he could not get a message out

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to anybody. But it's all based on which is based

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on Sigmund Freud studied group psychology in the early 1900s.

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And he found out that lo and behold, we humans

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are group creatures that we want to be accepted and

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we don't want to be rejected. And so the whole

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fashion industry is based on this.

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Why do we wear the clothes we wear?

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Well, we saw somebody advertise it or wear it or

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some popular Hollywood actor. And then we don't want to

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wear something that makes us look like a clown. Oh,

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that's last year's style.

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That was out. And since the fashions change.

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Every year and it can manipulate you to want the

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new fashion, they just take that whole machinery and use

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it to pushing politics and political views.

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Instead of products, it's politics.

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Instead of you know, wearing a shirt and suit coat,

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it's adopting a certain view. And since it controls the internet,

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it can censor you, it can cancel you, it can

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block you, it can de-platform you if you say the

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wrong thing and nobody wants to be censored.

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Or if you go to Europe, they can arrest you. Yeah, right, exactly.

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And so it's basing your desire.

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Every kid wants to be invited to the party and

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nobody wants to be left off the team.

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And so they manipulate.

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Your desire to be accepted by a group and your

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fear of being rejected by a group. In classrooms, they

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call this social emotional learning or behavior modification. And so

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they manipulate and embarrass the child in front of his

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classmates if he holds old views. And they celebrate the

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child in front of the classmates if they hold the

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new views.

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It's very similar to Mao Zedong in China. And he goes,

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the five.

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Olds, old views, old thought, old whatever, right? We want

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to get rid of that and we're going to do

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something new. And then you get people to identify with groups.

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you had the black versus the red. The black party

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was the property owners and the farmers and the landowners

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and the reds were the working class. And so they

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control the media and they would say the red party

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is good and they would shame the black party. And

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so everybody would want to switch and be in the

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red party so they could be.

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Of course.

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And there were parents that would even turn their own

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children over to the government so they could prove that

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they're loyal to the red party.

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Europe, they would call them color revolutions. They would study

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a country, observe all the groups and classify them as

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victims and oppressors, haves and have nots. Economic groups, racial groups,

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religious groups, victims and oppressors, haves and have-nots. And then

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they would pit them against each other. And then they

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would cause riots and bloodshed. And then once there's bloodshed,

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people think emotionally. It's like there's killing in this tree.

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And then everybody wants to blame someone. So then they

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co-opt the media to blame the leader of the country.

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It's his fault.

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It's his fault. And then finally the people get stirred

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up and get rid of him. And then they do

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a coup.

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And replace the leader with a Soviet puppet. And nobody

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defends the guy because by this time they hate him.

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And then the violence stops, not realizing the Soviets were

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behind the violence. And they have a honeymoon period until

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the people realize we just surrendered our freedoms and now

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we're a.

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Satellite of the Soviet Union.

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And when you study it, they actually call them influence campaigns.

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So they find the groups, they call it mapping. They

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map all the different groups. you know, the economic and religious.

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then they would do an influence campaign.

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What's that?

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Well, I get to know all your friends. I bump

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into them at a health club, at a store. And

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then once I became friends with all your friends, I'd

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get introduced to you at a party.

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And then I would seed you with messaging. So in America,

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this was The influencers were the Hollywood movie producers. And

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so the Soviets would do these influence campaigns. And they'd

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find all the friends. They'd meet the producer at a party.

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And then they would seed them with divisive messaging. Vietnam

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War is bad. Capitalists are bad. And they would put

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it into their movies. And it would go to their downline.

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And the people that watched the movies would begin. And

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their goal, a radical left and a radical right. They

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actually want an extreme radical right And then they want

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to pit them against each other. That's why you have

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the Southern Poverty Law Center caught funding the KKK.

483
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Why would they do that?

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They need Castro said the revolutionary needs the enemy.

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He needs his antithesis.

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Exactly.

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And if enemies were lacking, they had to be fabricated.

488
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So you can't organize your people against an enemy if

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there's no enemy.

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So that's right. No problem.

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So you have to create a crisis and blame the

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enemy and then say, OK, you know, join me in

493
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fighting that enemy. But then in the process, you gain power.

494
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It's called community organizing. And Obama was a master at it.

495
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Exactly. Well, Bill, we got to leave it there. Remind Bill,

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remind them how they can subscribe to the American Minute,

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Bill Fetter.

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Well, thank you, Bill.

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My website is AmericanMinute.com, AmericanMinute.com. And I send out history

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emails and I have about 30 books I've written there

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and videos that they can watch. But I'm honored to

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be on your show, Bill.

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Always great to have you here, Bill Federer. He's the

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American Minute creator, author, and speaker. Thank you, Bill. Take care.

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God bless.

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Hey, good morning and welcome back. Bill Martinez here with

576
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Dan Chung. Interesting story. He's a co-founder of Crossing Borders,

577
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a former AP journalist in South Korea. He's also the

578
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author of a new book on escaping North Korea called

579
00:32:42.230 --> 00:32:47.019
A Hard Freedom. He spent decades on the ground with refugees. Dan,

580
00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:48.500
welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

581
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Thank you. Thanks for having me, Bill.

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Well, I tell you, my heart has been continuing. I'll

583
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share this with you. North Korea is in my prayers

584
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on a daily basis.

585
00:32:58.819 --> 00:32:59.180
I pray.

586
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For the people and what they're subjected to. God is

587
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just and righteous. And I trust that he will, he's

588
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got to come and save the people of North Korea.

589
00:33:13.579 --> 00:33:16.039
And this has been going on for decades, you know, firsthand.

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So I've been looking forward to this conversation with you

591
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so you could help our audience understand what, you know,

592
00:33:24.230 --> 00:33:27.809
the people are experiencing there in North Korea in a

593
00:33:28.390 --> 00:33:32.789
a totalitarian communist country like that it is, the hermit kingdom, right?

594
00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:33.670
Yes.

595
00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:37.069
There is an immense amount of suffering that has been

596
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going on in North Korea since about the mid-1990s.

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And I imagine, like everybody, going, how much longer, God?

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How much longer do the people have to be subjected

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to this? Because it is such a... I guess it's

600
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so systemic that it's going to require... something, I believe,

601
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.039
outside of the human universe to take care of this.

602
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:04.200
Amen.

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00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:11.500
Yeah, it is so systemic. Every bit of North Korean

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00:34:11.539 --> 00:34:15.599
society is built around fear and the fear of punishment

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from the regime. Neighbors are encouraged to snoop on one another,

606
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so you can't really have a conversation even in your

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own house. Children, once they start going to school, preschool age,

608
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.929
are are taught to rat out their parents if they

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hear anything like Jesus or any other anti-government. And your

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00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.699
children could get you sent to a prison camp for

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00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:44.239
the rest of your life just for an offhand comment

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or a perception of a comment because the justice system

613
00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:54.630
is completely warped. There is a crime called wrong thinking.

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in North Korea, if you could believe it or not.

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00:34:58.530 --> 00:35:02.730
You can be sent away to a torture camp just

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for the crime of wrong thinking. It is completely a

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different world.

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What is the population now of North Korea?

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I believe 21 to 23 million.

620
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23 million. And to be living under this kind of

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oppression to where you have, in poetic terms, the sword

622
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:27.750
of Damocles hanging over you that even your children can wield.

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It's just got to be untenable. I don't know how

624
00:35:30.570 --> 00:35:31.510
these people survive.

625
00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:35.809
Yeah, and on top of that, there has been food shortages,

626
00:35:35.909 --> 00:35:40.030
famines since the mid-90s, basically since the USSR collapsed.

627
00:35:40.590 --> 00:35:40.820
Right.

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00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.599
Well, and this is the thing. I mean, here, and

629
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I imagine, you know, for you, Dan, you've been reporting

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on North Korea all these years as a journalist, and

631
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.760
then you see America, the youth of America, you know,

632
00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:59.260
playing around with this idea? How crazy is this, huh?

633
00:35:59.630 --> 00:36:06.210
It is concerning to me, definitely. North Korea is a

634
00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:13.199
great example of how evil the world can get. It

635
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:15.900
is a great example of how things could definitely go

636
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.719
wrong with communism or socialism, and it is a great

637
00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:23.920
example or data point for for any country to look

638
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.980
at if they are thinking about that route.

639
00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:31.519
You know, and I think it's hard, again, to keep

640
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.159
in context here. I say difficult because only because of

641
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.989
where the culture is right now, it's become more and

642
00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.230
more secular without God. But, you know, there is a

643
00:36:41.309 --> 00:36:44.789
reason for God. There's a reason that the West expanded

644
00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:49.210
and America was able to grow so exponentially and And

645
00:36:49.269 --> 00:36:52.280
because it was true to godly principles, just like you say,

646
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.059
basic things like thou shalt not murder. Well, in Korea,

647
00:36:56.659 --> 00:37:01.420
that's in North Korea particularly, that's not anything they really believe.

648
00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:01.639
In, do they?

649
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:07.699
No, the government can do whatever they want. There is

650
00:37:07.820 --> 00:37:13.760
no thou shalt not anything, especially lie. The government used

651
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.519
to tell its people that they live even in the

652
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.000
famine where about 3 million out of the country's 21,

653
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.559
22 million people died of starvation. Even during that time,

654
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.800
they said, we live in paradise on earth. We know

655
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:34.539
it's hard, but the rest of the world is much worse.

656
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.329
Trust me, you have it good here. And when North

657
00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:43.010
Koreans leave their country, they realize that they've been lied to,

658
00:37:43.110 --> 00:37:46.289
that they've been duped all these years. And there is

659
00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:51.630
a spiritual vacuum in their heart when we find them

660
00:37:51.670 --> 00:37:52.230
in the state.

661
00:37:53.050 --> 00:37:55.780
Yeah, it's got to be something that really requires some

662
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.480
time of adjustment. I remember a dear friend that I

663
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.860
knew in California, and he was a missionary. And this

664
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:09.039
was during the era of the Iron Curtain. And he

665
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.820
married a gal from Poland. And she came to America

666
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.659
the first time because he was going back home to

667
00:38:15.699 --> 00:38:19.760
visit his family in Long Beach, California. And Dan, you

668
00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:21.420
should have seen the look on her face the first

669
00:38:21.460 --> 00:38:24.019
time she walked into a grocery store. She could not

670
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.639
believe it. She was in tears. She's thinking, well, how

671
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.019
can this be? How can there be such an abundance

672
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.840
of food here in the United States of America? And

673
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.400
I've got family back home that are, you know, queuing

674
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.159
up behind any line that, you know, gets organized to

675
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.019
get whatever it is that may be. There could be

676
00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:44.199
a garden hose. It could be, it might be food,

677
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.699
might not be, but it's something that you stand in

678
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.309
line for because you can use that as barter to

679
00:38:49.349 --> 00:38:50.789
get something that you need, right?

680
00:38:51.789 --> 00:38:56.030
I mean, North Korea had its public distribution system through

681
00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:59.210
the famine as its only route for you to get

682
00:38:59.309 --> 00:39:03.409
any goods in the country, including groceries. And it just

683
00:39:03.449 --> 00:39:08.260
collapsed during the 90s because, again, the Soviet Union was

684
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:14.380
propping that country up, unbeknownst to the citizens. And what happened...

685
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:20.559
after that time was the allowance of public markets. Capitalism, obviously,

686
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.969
was strictly banned up until the famine, but when it

687
00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:29.409
hits the fan and people need to be fed, they

688
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.480
also have turned to a more capitalist style of distribution

689
00:39:35.539 --> 00:39:40.469
of goods, where in North Korea now, there is still

690
00:39:40.510 --> 00:39:44.630
the public distribution system. But to supplement that and maybe

691
00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:49.280
even supplant that, The citizens really do rely on the

692
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:54.199
open and public market that is run on capitalism.

693
00:39:54.739 --> 00:39:56.949
And has Kim Jong-un just surrendered to that?

694
00:39:58.929 --> 00:40:03.170
Kim Jong-il, the father of Kim Jong-un, has had surrendered

695
00:40:03.230 --> 00:40:07.610
to that. And it's basically here to stay.

696
00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:12.070
Right. So they've made a little bit of progress just

697
00:40:12.250 --> 00:40:15.880
out of the natural manner of things. that they get

698
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:18.559
to that point that all communists and socialists get to,

699
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.480
and that is they eventually run out. It's unsustainable.

700
00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:26.480
It certainly was unsustainable for North Korea because they could

701
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.340
not feed its own citizens. And there are many problems

702
00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:33.920
for North Korea with these open markets. For example, there

703
00:40:33.980 --> 00:40:36.659
are a lot of, quote unquote, illicit goods that get

704
00:40:36.699 --> 00:40:40.340
smuggled in through these through these open markets that they,

705
00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:42.860
you know, in North Korea, you never had a problem

706
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.440
with that because it all had to filter through the government.

707
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.639
And so now the North Korean government cannot say that

708
00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.980
they live on paradise on earth. They cannot say that

709
00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:59.349
anymore because there are DVDs, you know, thumb drives of

710
00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:03.690
Korean dramas and all manner of media coming in from

711
00:41:03.730 --> 00:41:06.449
the outside world that the people really have a hunger for.

712
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:10.380
And the North Korean government just cannot stop it. But

713
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:13.880
what else could they do, right? What else could they

714
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.579
do or their people would, again, starve to death?

715
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.739
Right, exactly. Well, and it's a natural response for us

716
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:25.219
to be able to communicate, to get information. And here they've,

717
00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:29.139
for decades, they've been starved of information they needed. So

718
00:41:29.659 --> 00:41:33.889
now I imagine, even though they're dealing with the reality

719
00:41:34.289 --> 00:41:36.469
that they've been gaslit and their government lied to them,

720
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:38.099
It's still their government.

721
00:41:39.619 --> 00:41:39.940
Yeah.

722
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.019
And you know, I'm, I'm not sure, you know, how,

723
00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:48.900
what the impulse is there. If they want to revolt,

724
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.079
if they are so controlled that they, even though they

725
00:41:53.139 --> 00:41:56.090
want to, they can't, I, I don't know what the

726
00:41:56.130 --> 00:42:01.889
impulse is. It does beg the question how sustainable this

727
00:42:02.010 --> 00:42:06.630
is with outside information. feeding them the prosperity of their

728
00:42:07.269 --> 00:42:10.289
neighbors to the South. I mean, South Koreans, I spend

729
00:42:10.309 --> 00:42:13.710
a lot of time in South Korea for work. There

730
00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:21.780
is such an abundance of technology, of food, of information,

731
00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:26.179
and their neighbors to the North see that now. And

732
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:32.260
they must be angry, but I don't think they're, there's

733
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.500
any way for them to even revolt because they're still

734
00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:40.989
such a tight guard on communication amongst North Koreans.

735
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We're talking with Dan Chung. He's the co-founder of Crossing Borders.

796
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He's a former AP journalist in South Korea. also the

797
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.380
author of a new book on escaping North Korea called

798
00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:59.449
A Hard Freedom. I got to imagine, Dan, this was

799
00:46:59.630 --> 00:47:03.530
a book that has been in the works for quite

800
00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:05.789
a period of time. You know, as a journalist, you're

801
00:47:05.829 --> 00:47:09.449
capturing information. Tell our audience about A Hard Freedom.

802
00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:16.179
A Hard Freedom is based on my work with Crossing Borders.

803
00:47:17.179 --> 00:47:21.929
We are a Christian non-profit organization. that our mission is

804
00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:26.739
to share the compassion of Christ with North Koreans and

805
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.139
their children. And we've been doing that in China since 2003.

806
00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:39.019
Our founder, Mike Kim, wrote a book in 2008, I believe,

807
00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:43.280
seven or eight, about his experiences up to that point.

808
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:48.369
And my book picks up where he left off. And so...

809
00:47:48.699 --> 00:47:53.460
We've gathered an immense amount of stories and anecdotes of

810
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.250
the trauma that is left behind by this terrible regime

811
00:47:58.289 --> 00:48:00.949
that we've been talking about. And that is what the

812
00:48:00.989 --> 00:48:03.690
book is about, is the trauma of these people.

813
00:48:04.369 --> 00:48:08.280
Well, I got to imagine that you're talking generational trauma, right?

814
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.980
I mean, anything that lasts this amount of time, this

815
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.719
is going to be a while, just like Holocaust victims, right?

816
00:48:15.579 --> 00:48:19.869
Well, the North Korean prison system is... compared to by

817
00:48:19.949 --> 00:48:24.130
human rights experts to the Nazi prison camps. But the

818
00:48:24.170 --> 00:48:29.420
difference between the camps of the 1940s and the prison

819
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.679
camps in North Korea of today is that North Korea

820
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:38.880
has had 70, 80 years to perfect their torture. In

821
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:42.119
my book, I call it a torture machine. There are

822
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:46.400
all manner of creative ways that this regime has thought

823
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:47.059
up to.

824
00:48:49.179 --> 00:48:54.000
Most effectively and efficiently bring agony to people who they

825
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.639
perceive as crossing them. And so, yes, there is an

826
00:48:57.699 --> 00:48:59.639
immense amount of trauma because of that.

827
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.329
Well, I got to imagine for the lack of respect

828
00:49:02.369 --> 00:49:08.230
of humanity and imago Deo, these people being made in

829
00:49:08.269 --> 00:49:14.130
the image of God, that like so many other regimes

830
00:49:14.170 --> 00:49:18.750
in the past, there's no end to the horror and

831
00:49:18.769 --> 00:49:21.239
the torture that they will do. And of course, now

832
00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:25.199
you've got what's been happening in the recent decades is

833
00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:28.400
the harvesting of body parts. I got to imagine that

834
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:29.760
takes place as well there, right?

835
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.070
I have not heard any of those accounts.

836
00:49:34.090 --> 00:49:34.289
I don't.

837
00:49:37.670 --> 00:49:40.639
Imagine that that happens. I would not be surprised if

838
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:43.239
I found out that it did. But as you said,

839
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:49.159
the image of God is very, very prevalent in North Korea.

840
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.440
I mean, these people have no idea who Jesus is

841
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.599
or that we are made in the image of God.

842
00:49:56.780 --> 00:50:00.900
But the fact that there is trauma in these people,

843
00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:03.400
it proves to me that there is a God because

844
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.280
there's something inside of their hearts and souls that says,

845
00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:11.159
I should not have been treated like that. Well, where

846
00:50:11.179 --> 00:50:16.239
do we get that? In a country where the gospel

847
00:50:16.869 --> 00:50:20.469
has been all but wiped out, how do we know

848
00:50:20.869 --> 00:50:24.250
that this person or this government shouldn't have treated me

849
00:50:24.309 --> 00:50:27.530
like that? There is an offense to your soul. And

850
00:50:27.650 --> 00:50:32.389
once you realize that, once you realize that, yes, it's

851
00:50:32.469 --> 00:50:35.260
because we are made in the image of God and

852
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.119
as an image bearer of God, I should not be

853
00:50:38.179 --> 00:50:40.639
treated like that. It all kind of comes together and

854
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:41.760
makes sense for them.

855
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.639
Do you imagine the cries in heaven that are heard

856
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.059
from the people of North Korea? I just got to

857
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.429
imagine that, you know, in much the same way that

858
00:50:51.469 --> 00:50:55.010
the cries of babies who were aborted reach up to heaven.

859
00:50:56.030 --> 00:51:00.130
I believe that when things like this, these inhumane acts

860
00:51:00.409 --> 00:51:04.989
upon God's creation occur, that the cries go up to heaven.

861
00:51:05.929 --> 00:51:06.650
Yeah, I mean.

862
00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:13.260
I've been to the North Korea border from China and

863
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:18.460
from South Korea, both sides of the border. And I've

864
00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:23.690
taken many people to pray for North Korea at both places.

865
00:51:24.170 --> 00:51:24.469
Wow.

866
00:51:24.829 --> 00:51:30.349
And you feel it. You feel the crying out.

867
00:51:31.010 --> 00:51:31.210
Yeah.

868
00:51:31.530 --> 00:51:36.000
You feel the suffering and the anguish just there. a

869
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.340
couple of feet away, right, right over the border, you

870
00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:43.139
feel it. And so, uh, I've spoken to many believers

871
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.150
who we've, who we've brought just to pray, uh, and

872
00:51:47.449 --> 00:51:51.389
they feel it too. There is a, a definite crying

873
00:51:51.530 --> 00:51:55.570
out from the soil, from the blood that has been spilled, uh,

874
00:51:55.610 --> 00:51:56.170
that we feel.

875
00:51:57.170 --> 00:52:00.039
Dan, uh, we know about the underground churches in China.

876
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:04.679
Are there such a thing in North Korea? Yeah, there is.

877
00:52:04.699 --> 00:52:09.780
Um, And if you talk to people who are in

878
00:52:09.860 --> 00:52:14.739
touch and are encouraging the churches and the Christians in

879
00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:17.570
North Korea, they will tell you, like Voice of the

880
00:52:17.630 --> 00:52:21.829
Martyrs is saying, that the church is actually growing in

881
00:52:21.889 --> 00:52:29.030
North Korea, that the church somehow, despite all of these restrictions,

882
00:52:30.190 --> 00:52:34.659
they are reaching new believers. And that just shows that

883
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:40.380
it doesn't, require political freedom for the gospel to grow.

884
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:45.699
Our faith has endured and grown and flourished in many

885
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.480
a dictatorship over the past, and maybe it's actually built

886
00:52:50.019 --> 00:52:52.659
for situations like that, and we're seeing that today in

887
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:53.400
North Korea.

888
00:52:53.980 --> 00:52:56.400
Well, think about how Christianity began.

889
00:52:56.420 --> 00:52:57.820
Amen.

890
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.539
I mean, it wasn't like it was in some hunky-dory

891
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:06.090
kind of place. I mean, we're talking... we're talking Rome here, right?

892
00:53:06.909 --> 00:53:10.579
As crazy as the Romans were and mean spirited. And

893
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:14.400
you talk about, you know, Torah, you know, terror and

894
00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:16.920
torture and everything. I mean, these are the people that

895
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.059
came up with crucifixion. I mean, it really takes a

896
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.059
very demented mind to want to come up with ways to,

897
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.010
you know, just to, you know, to render that kind

898
00:53:30.030 --> 00:53:30.989
of pain and suffering.

899
00:53:32.269 --> 00:53:35.750
It, you know, There's an account in my book that

900
00:53:35.809 --> 00:53:40.860
I will not describe here, but it's so twisted that

901
00:53:41.619 --> 00:53:47.300
someone went into the office that day and thought of that.

902
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:52.539
That is the most chilling part of this whole situation

903
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:57.809
to me, is that someone, as their job, walked into

904
00:53:57.829 --> 00:54:00.949
the office and came up with these methods of torture.

905
00:54:01.269 --> 00:54:02.670
It's unfathomable to me.

906
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:05.300
You know, to this point, you know, when I was

907
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:10.760
in Vienna, we went into, I think it was Salzburg,

908
00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:13.199
we went to, and we went to one of these,

909
00:54:14.699 --> 00:54:17.199
it almost looked like it was a compound. And there

910
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:20.380
was this area that was set aside, and it was

911
00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:23.760
a museum of all these torture devices, Dan. I mean,

912
00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:26.989
to your point, and you wonder, go, wow, what kind of,

913
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:28.989
I mean, it wasn't like, hey, we're going to go

914
00:54:29.030 --> 00:54:32.349
into a 10 by 10 small room, and here's, you know, maybe,

915
00:54:33.139 --> 00:54:35.920
you know, 10 or 20 different torture devices. I mean,

916
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:40.039
it was unending. It was so overwhelming to think about,

917
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.079
you know, and going back to our original point in

918
00:54:43.099 --> 00:54:47.800
our conversation is without God, how debased you can become,

919
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:50.780
you know, that things, you know, natural things like the

920
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:54.320
basic 10 commandments, shall not kill, shall not steal, you know,

921
00:54:54.340 --> 00:54:58.010
that's out the window and left to our own devices.

922
00:54:58.429 --> 00:55:01.409
It's no wonder that, You know, at a point in

923
00:55:01.449 --> 00:55:05.699
human history, God was so disappointed with his creation that

924
00:55:05.739 --> 00:55:06.699
he had to wipe it out.

925
00:55:07.579 --> 00:55:11.679
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think there's a lot of

926
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:18.090
hope in that, too, because like you said previous, how long, God,

927
00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:22.489
will you allow this suffering to happen? But as we see,

928
00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:25.989
even in the depiction of Sodom and Gomorrah, that God

929
00:55:26.030 --> 00:55:31.690
does care and he will eventually act. And, you know,

930
00:55:31.809 --> 00:55:35.380
for people who say, you know, oh, why does there

931
00:55:35.409 --> 00:55:39.480
have to be a hell? Well, I always counter with, well,

932
00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:44.480
do you want Kim Jong-un to walk free after he

933
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.760
dies comfortably in his bed if he does? Do you

934
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:54.429
want Hitler to walk scot-free after his years and years

935
00:55:54.530 --> 00:55:58.360
of terror that he brought into the world? It just

936
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:03.019
proves to me that, yes, in a sort of manicured

937
00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:05.840
world that we live in in the West where things

938
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.619
don't get so bad, we can say that. But if

939
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.989
you say that to a North Korean, you know, why

940
00:56:13.030 --> 00:56:17.409
do people need to be punished? It's absolutely ridiculous to them.

941
00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:19.550
Well, and I think here in the West, I think

942
00:56:19.570 --> 00:56:22.150
we delude ourselves to thinking that it's not so bad.

943
00:56:22.610 --> 00:56:24.989
We've gotten comfortable with that, you know, to your point.

944
00:56:25.940 --> 00:56:32.579
That's the disappointing thing, is that we will all be judged.

945
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.320
And you may think right now, well, it's not that bad.

946
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:35.900
Oh, really?

947
00:56:36.610 --> 00:56:40.369
The whole trans movement, not that bad. The debasement of humanity,

948
00:56:40.789 --> 00:56:44.449
the murder of children, the harvesting of their body parts,

949
00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:50.820
not that bad. Well, we've gotten comfortable with things that

950
00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:54.329
are evil. And this is where, you know, our country is,

951
00:56:54.340 --> 00:56:55.920
and I believe where the world is right now. It's

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almost like we're going back to the early founding of

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our country. Yeah, the movie, The Great Awakening, that told

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the story of George Whitefield and Benjamin Franklin, was, you know,

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in the early part and revelation of the revolution. And

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America had to get to that point to understand what

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God was giving them. And God was giving them the

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gift of freedom. but they couldn't receive the gift of

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freedom until they repented. And that is a consistent story

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in the Old Testament, isn't it, Dan?

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It is. It is definitely a recurring theme that the

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consequences of our actions have a cost and have consequences. Yes,

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that's what I see as well.

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Well, as we wrap things up here, Dan, I'm going

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to give you an opportunity to tell people about Crossing Borders.

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and if they'd like more information and where they can

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get it, okay?

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Sure.

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Crossing Borders is a Christian nonprofit devoted to sharing the

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compassion of Christ to North Koreans and their children. We've

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been doing this work since 2003. I was part of

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the founding team that did it and that started it,

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and our hope, is that not only do we provide

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physical and emotional healing to these people, but most importantly,

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to provide ultimate spiritual healing for them. These people have

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been lied to their whole lives by men in the regime.

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In China, they get sold in trafficking rings and men

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take from them there. What they need is the kindness

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and gentleness of Jesus Christ, and that is what we

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aim to bring for them.

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And where can they go for more information on Crossing Borders, Dan?

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They can go to our website, www.crossingbordersnknorthkorea.org.

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Dan Chong, co-founder of Crossing Borders and former AP journalist

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in South Korea, author of the new book, A Hard Friend. Dan,

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thank you so much for being with us. God bless.

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Thank you, Bill. God bless you.

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Good afternoon america glad you could join us i'm bill

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martinez we got dr george farid going to be joining

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us in just a moment an incredible story as we

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go back if you remember it was several years ago

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the start of covid When we talked to Dr. Fareed

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and then he followed up with this incredible book, The

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Miracle of Imperial Valley. And we're going to talk about that,

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talk about the implications of the hearing, the committee hearing

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with Dr. Fauci, because the history is rich. And Dr.

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Fareed was there from the very beginning. He was saving

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souls and keeping people away from ventilators. And just like

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I said, an incredible story. Dr. George Freed, good to

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have you with us. God bless you.

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It's great to be with you, Bill, and thanks for

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all you do. And it's my privilege. Thank you.

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Well, Dr. Freed, just to remind everybody, let's talk about

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what it was like day one when all the COVID

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mandates came out and you got Dr. Fauci, Anthony Fauci,

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declaring himself as science, right?

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Well, yeah, that's what's so disillusioning, in that I'm sort

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01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:42.719
of a contemporary of Fauci, and that I, in my history,

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I was in the public health service after my internship

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in medicine in Boston, and I worked at the NIAID,

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which he became the director of for 37 odd years,

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01:01:58.090 --> 01:02:00.070
and he was building his empire then, and he's a

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01:02:00.150 --> 01:02:03.519
few years older than I am, but In any case,

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I gave respect to those institutions throughout my career, and

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I went on idealistically in my work. And in that era,

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01:02:14.909 --> 01:02:21.199
I was working on SV40 that became an infamous feature

1036
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of the Moderna vaccine or Pfizer vaccine, one of them

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that uses still the Ori of SV40 being in the

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plasmid that people were exposed to. And I actually was

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a discoverer in that era long ago, the Ori of SV40.

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That was my claim to fame. And I never thought

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50 years later, I would be dealing with that again

1042
01:02:47.739 --> 01:02:51.059
in some ways. But I'm glad I didn't stay with

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that and went into real clinical medicine. We're in the

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trenches for 36 years now in the Imperial Valley of

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California with great communities and great doctors hardworking in the trenches.

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We knew what to do. And getting back to the

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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:15.760
history now that relates to this discussion, Bill, in 2020,

1048
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.750
we saw the wave of COVID coming on. And we

1049
01:03:20.090 --> 01:03:23.199
were told by Fauci that there was no treatment for it.

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01:03:23.789 --> 01:03:26.489
And we were told by others that you just let

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them ride it out and maybe go to the hospital,

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get intubated if they deteriorate. And ironically, I mean, shockingly,

1053
01:03:37.579 --> 01:03:43.469
Fauci himself had in 2005, in working on SARS, described

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hydroxychloroquine as the preventive and treatment of coronavirus infections. And yet,

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01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:57.510
when we started, we turned to hydroxychloroquine because there was

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evidence it would be beneficial. Exactly. Didier Raoult in France

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01:04:02.090 --> 01:04:07.090
and our great colleague who passed away, Zelensky, or not Zelensky,

1058
01:04:07.130 --> 01:04:12.690
but Zeb Zelenko, who's a friend of mine and a

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01:04:12.969 --> 01:04:17.190
leader in our country. they had protocols where it was

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very effective. And when it hit us in the Imperial Valley,

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01:04:20.980 --> 01:04:26.739
Brian Tyson, my great partner, and I developed our own

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01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:36.550
protocol with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, vitamin D3, doxycycline, or azithromycin, and

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01:04:37.730 --> 01:04:41.949
vitamin C, and hydration, and steroids if needed. But our

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01:04:42.050 --> 01:04:47.320
protocol was 100% effective And Fauci was saying and trying

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01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.360
to prevent anyone from knowing that, which was, I'll never

1066
01:04:51.420 --> 01:04:52.400
forgive him for that.

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01:04:53.019 --> 01:04:57.230
Well, because that was the basis for him to convince

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the president we needed an emergency authorization.

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Use, right?

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Because you could not have the EAU if there was

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already protocol or there was... you know, relief for the problem, right?

1072
01:05:11.420 --> 01:05:16.679
Yeah, exactly, Bill. So well stated. Well, we were getting

1073
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:21.670
such great results. We became visible nationally and internationally, Brian

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Tyson and myself and our community, which was the epicenter

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for California. And we eventually had thousands of great results

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of patients cured and prevented from hospitalizations. And so I

1077
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.980
had the honor of being invited to speak about this

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01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:46.130
in the Senate in November 2020. And I thought that

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01:05:46.190 --> 01:05:49.190
that might turn the corner on it, but it was

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a deafness by Fauci and these others, CDC and others

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01:05:54.380 --> 01:05:59.949
who were going toward this vaccine approach that... quasi-vaccine, actually

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a gene therapy.

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01:06:01.530 --> 01:06:04.389
Right. Well, it says a lot about fear, right? It

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01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:06.849
says a lot about fear, that fear would close you

1085
01:06:06.929 --> 01:06:08.949
off from hearing the good news.

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01:06:09.010 --> 01:06:14.329
Very disillusioning, but we proceeded and we eventually treated maybe 20,000

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01:06:14.329 --> 01:06:19.090
cases in our community or and from other areas when

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we were contacted. And we wrote a book about this,

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01:06:22.050 --> 01:06:25.949
and I'm very proud of that book, published in 2020,

1090
01:06:25.949 --> 01:06:31.599
Overcoming the COVID Darkness, How Two Doctors Successfully Treated 7,000,

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01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.820
but we really treated 20,000, with none being dying or

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getting intubated and being hospitalized. if treated early, if treated

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01:06:41.139 --> 01:06:44.119
within the first five to seven days of the infection.

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01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:49.550
And many were later presenting to us and doing very well. However,

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01:06:52.050 --> 01:06:56.929
Fauci's hearing prompted Brian and myself to decide to make

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01:06:56.989 --> 01:07:00.010
a new book, a new edition of this or a

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sequel with a lot of great contributors. It'll be about

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18 of the best doctors that are in the field

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of infectious diseases and general medicine contributing as well as

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in other areas that we've worked with throughout the pandemic

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years and even continually. But in any case, the book

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will hopefully be completed by the end of this year,

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Overcoming the COVID Darkness 2027, I think will be the title.

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But that's where we stand. And one other thing that's

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so important is that just this last week, Brian, who

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was part of a lawsuit against the Attorney General of

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California that was inflicting repression on doctors like myself. The

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medical board was coming after Brian and myself and eventually

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dropped the suit. But This lawsuit now, a federal judge

1110
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has provided a preliminary injunction against that lawyer, that Attorney

1111
01:08:08.260 --> 01:08:13.019
General of California, such that doctors like myself and Brian

1112
01:08:13.219 --> 01:08:17.579
and others on the front lines can speak freely to

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our patients. And as long as we don't have malpractice

1114
01:08:22.460 --> 01:08:26.729
or harm someone, we're not going to be subject to

1115
01:08:26.909 --> 01:08:31.670
an attack by a medical board, an osteopathic board, or

1116
01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:36.659
another governing body. So it's a free speech issue also.

1117
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:41.359
Well, it's also inherent to you as a medical doctor,

1118
01:08:41.699 --> 01:08:45.800
your Socratic oath to do no harm. And here you

1119
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:49.090
are clearly aware that harm is being done to the

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American people. I mean, after everything was said and done,

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over a million people died, Dr.

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Fareed. Well, that and maybe 500,000 from the gene therapy vaccine.

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that they don't like to talk about. They claim it's

1124
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maybe 59,000. There should be no death from a vaccine.

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And I had three patients who died post-vaccine, and many

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came to me with consequences of myocarditis or pericarditis or

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other side effects that impacted their lives in a horrible

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way that shouldn't have occurred. So the fact that the

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COVID-19 gene therapy vaccines are still out there and new

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mRNA vaccines are being approved by the FDA is just terrible,

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in my opinion.

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It would seem reckless in light of where we are.

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And now in understanding that Dr. Fauci wasn't forthright, He

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did harm. And, you know, that's one aspect that has

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to be handled by the Justice Department, by the government.

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There are many people here in America that are very upset.

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They lost loved ones. They didn't get a chance to

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say goodbye to them, Dr. Fareed, as they passed, right?

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01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.439
And I saw that during the pandemic. I was working

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as a hospitalist in addition to the outpatient work. And

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it shook me to the core that the suffering that

1142
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these people individuals had and the horrible endings like you've

1143
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just stated.

1144
01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:27.770
Yeah. And the thing is, is that the key of

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01:10:27.850 --> 01:10:31.109
all this is what we always say, so that this

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doesn't happen again. And in order for it not to

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happen again, the whole truth and nothing but must be

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on the table, right?

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Yes. Yes. You're absolutely right.

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Absolutely.

1151
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Absolutely.

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We're talking with Dr. George Farid. He's the medical director,

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author of the book, Overcoming the COVID Darkness. I know

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when you and I talked early on, I had shared

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with you, I said, look it, I got COVID. And Dr.

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Fauci previously, you know, near to the time that I

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got COVID, had made the statement, I didn't get vaccinated.

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I didn't do any of the protocol that the government, Dr. Fauci,

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anybody had. You know, all the the movie stars and

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entertainment figures and everything that they had brought to be

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involved in this conspiracy.

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Right.

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And so but I wanted out of my own curiosity,

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I wanted to test and run this out to see, OK,

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what would happen with my immunity? Now, understand my immunity,

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as I shared with you, you might recall, is I

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don't have an appendix. My tonsils have been removed. So

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I have to be a little bit more careful and

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mindful of my immunity than most people who do still

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have their appendix and have their donsels. And so I thought, okay, Dr.

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Fauci said, maybe a couple of weeks. If you're lucky,

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you might get a couple of months. Well, Dr. Freed,

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I continued to run tests on my immunity. And after

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three years, my T-cell count was as strong as ever.

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Wonderful. Excellent. Yeah, the natural immunity was far more.

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Elaborate and effective than this limited gene therapy vaccine immunity,

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so-called immunity. And many people got recurrent infections despite multiple

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boosters from these agents. It was a Russian roulette in

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a way. And there was just no way that it

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would be. I've never been in favor of anything that

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would have a chance of harming significantly or killing an individual.

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And it's just pitiful to me to realize that that's

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what was being inflicted on the whole world.

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Right. Well, even Dr. Fauci reportedly had an adverse reaction, right?

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Yeah. He had a pulmonary embolism.

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Yeah.

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And he had multiple recurrences of COVID-19 infection. And despite

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many bouts, many boosters, I presume.

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Yeah.

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And of course, it was him who said initially, if

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you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And Rochelle Walensky said that also, who

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is the acting head of the CDC at the time.

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These are people who don't treat patients. In our hearing

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in 2020, the Democratic representative was someone a public health individual,

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Ashish Jha, who never treated a COVID patient. And he

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came to present evidence that there was no good reason for,

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no evidence in support of hydroxychloroquine. That was the main

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component of our treatment, as was ivermectin in a multi-drug

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treatment regimen. And so they didn't know what they were

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talking about. And they were presenting information that was detrimental

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to the, to the world.

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Well, and the situation, you know, as you know, I'm

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based in Florida and there was a patient in Miami that, uh,

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got some celebrity, so much so that even Donald Trump

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made reference to it. He was told, you know, two

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hours before his proposed death that he needed to call

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his family and talk to them for the last time.

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And after doing that, they came in and said, look,

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we got a Hail Mary here. It's called hydroxychloroquine. Would

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you be willing to try this? I'm dying. What do

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I got to lose? Well, he did. He did. And

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then two hours later, everything was reversed. And so this

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made the news. And here, particularly in the East, and

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Donald Trump made mention of it. And they all but

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scolded Donald Trump for even bringing it up.

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Right.

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I know it was really bad, very bad. And it was,

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we're in a situation where he just had bad advisors,

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terrible advisors, and he didn't, can't be blamed in my opinion. Right.

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Well, and again, the deception and it's clear, and we

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knew this early on because we had done some reporting

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on it and research on it and understood that Dr.

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Fauci had in fact, invested in the Wuhan laboratory, that

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he had high interest in gain of function, which is

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just a fancy term for biological warfare, in my humble opinion.

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He was funding this work by Ralph Baric, the man

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who actually genetically did most of the genetic engineering of

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COVID-19 to make it a pathogen for humans. And they did,

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and Luc Montagnier, before he died, the My hero and

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01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:37.840
Nobel laureate for his discovery of HIV realized this and

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01:20:37.899 --> 01:20:40.649
tried to get this out also early on in the pandemic.

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And others who sequenced and looked at the genome of COVID-19,

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that it couldn't have come from nature. And it was

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all handled by this Barak and Dasik and Xu, I think,

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in Wuhan, but primarily Barak. And through the funding that

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he received, millions of dollars from the Department of War,

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DOW and Fauci, NIAID. And it was, I don't see

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how the guy like that could look at himself in

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the mirror when millions died as a consequence of his machinations.

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Yeah, I don't know how you sleep at night. We're

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talking with the medical director, Dr. George Fareed. who he

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and his partner early on saw the dangers of COVID.

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01:21:34.060 --> 01:21:38.239
His background was well-established and experienced to understand the kind

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01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:41.130
of protocols that should be involved. He wrote a book

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on it called The Miracle of the Imperial Valley. Early

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01:21:43.649 --> 01:21:48.890
treatment protocols saved thousands. I think over 7,000, we're saying

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now 20,000 at the end of the day. All these

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patients grateful that they're not having to deal with the

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results of the vaccine that many today are dealing with that,

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you know, Dr. Farid, we've got a lot of young

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people in their 30s, some in their 20s, that suddenly

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are dying and VARS is, you know, they're just not

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reporting on it in the way they should.

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No, you're absolutely right. We have actually turbo cancers occurring

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that the immune systems have been damaged in addition to

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the direct cardiac and neurological damage that causes death, premature

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01:22:31.060 --> 01:22:36.729
deaths in the population. But the book is titled Overcoming

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01:22:36.770 --> 01:22:37.829
the COVID Darkness.

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Yes.

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Not the Miracle.

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Oh, yeah, the Miracle of the Imperial Valley is the

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headline because it really is a miracle, no doubt about it.

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But then you got a new book coming out.

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Yeah, we do. And it's going to be even better.

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And it'll be very timely in terms of giving all

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the factual information that doctors and the general public need

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01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:05.520
to have and know that it's somewhat of a stepping

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stone or a jumping board from the Fauci hearing. And

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that's why Brian and I have decided to organize this book. Right.

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Well, Dr. Freed, what was it like for you when

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Sacramento called you up to the Star Chamber and started

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grilling you with the threat of losing your license?

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That was a terrible time, a very bad time in 2022, 2021, 2022.

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And this is even after all the empirical evidence, all

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the proof of saving lives and doing all the great

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things that you and Dr. Tyson did, right?

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01:23:42.899 --> 01:23:49.380
Yeah, it was. And they used reasons for doing so

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after me and for Brian did. based upon what we

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were saying to people like you. And for instance, I

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spoke at school board meetings and community gatherings and telling

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the truth about what should be known, that the shutdowns

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01:24:07.430 --> 01:24:13.090
could have been stopped, that masking wasn't effective for an

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airborne virus, and the kids and teachers could go back

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to work early. if they really knew, understood that the

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early treatment was so effective and they could avail themselves

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of it. And that's why someone reported me to the

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medical board.

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Stay with us. We've got more from Dr. George Farid

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coming up next.

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He and His Partner. Brian Tyson wrote the book, Overcoming

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the COVID Darkness. He is a medical director. He's got

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a new book that he's following up that's going to

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COVID-19 treatment because there may be harsh surges, he wrote then.

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The doctors say on their website, we also hope that

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vaccination programs recognize that COVID-19 variants will continue to arise

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in those who have been vaccinated as long as vaccines

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fail to completely block the infection. Well, here it is.

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This is happening. I what you saw, and you didn't,

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you weren't taking a shot here. This wasn't some theoretical idea.

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This was based on your, you know, trench warfare experience

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and your medical background, Dr. Fareed.

1449
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Well, thank you very much. That's correct. And it was

1450
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based upon evidence. So with experimental models of epidemics or

1451
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pandemics with viruses that they, there were published studies and

1452
01:29:27.970 --> 01:29:32.850
we cite those in our book with that very fact

1453
01:29:32.949 --> 01:29:38.270
that a mutable virus, a highly mutable virus can't be

1454
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vaccinated against. HIV has never had a vaccine and there's

1455
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other viruses in that category also. And so to think

1456
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that you could do this without recognizing what was readily

1457
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available to stop the suffering and the whole pandemic with

1458
01:30:01.569 --> 01:30:08.550
repurposed medications is terrible, just terrible, in that viruses like

1459
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coronavirus are very mutable, RNA viruses in general are mutable,

1460
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and a leaky vaccine will just promote variants coming up

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that may be more virulent or more harmful than the

1462
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original form of the virus, but certainly can continue to

1463
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inflict the clinical symptoms and syndromes that were present and

1464
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just perpetuate the pandemic. And that's what those did. Well, Dr.

1465
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Farid, vaccinations came into the crosshairs, especially with RFK Jr.

1466
01:30:48.270 --> 01:30:51.689
He's been shouting from the rooftops for, it seems like, decades.

1467
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And now that he's part of the administration, he has

1468
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a a bigger pulpit from which to speak from. You

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had realized this, the challenge is, is that here we

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are today and people are confused now. They go, what

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are good vaccines? What are bad vaccines? How do we

1472
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know the difference?

1473
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That's right. Well, we need to have placebo controls to

1474
01:31:14.020 --> 01:31:17.460
know the difference if they're good or bad, really. And

1475
01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:22.819
if they're safe and, and, and then the, the, the

1476
01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:26.369
trials to show efficacy and the, Most of the trials

1477
01:31:26.390 --> 01:31:30.590
are very short-term, and they're very small numbers that differentiate

1478
01:31:30.649 --> 01:31:35.899
the vaccinated from what they call the control groups. And

1479
01:31:37.020 --> 01:31:44.180
so that's a big issue for all vaccines. And children

1480
01:31:44.260 --> 01:31:49.319
should not be inflicted with 72 vaccines before they're in

1481
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their teens or in their early ages, and particularly not

1482
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before two years of age. Vaccines should be delayed, in

1483
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:01.880
my opinion, for children as long as possible and never

1484
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:07.899
given as solvals of multiple vaccines in one. And that

1485
01:32:08.050 --> 01:32:13.909
the benefit may not be anything compared to the side

1486
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effect or the downside of those vaccines when they're given

1487
01:32:19.270 --> 01:32:24.659
too early and in too many doses combined. And that

1488
01:32:25.060 --> 01:32:30.489
the pediatricians have been incentivized to vaccinate according to the

1489
01:32:30.550 --> 01:32:34.750
schedule that has been established. And our country has done

1490
01:32:34.829 --> 01:32:38.689
poorly compared to other countries where delays have been made

1491
01:32:38.979 --> 01:32:41.039
in childhood vaccination.

1492
01:32:41.060 --> 01:32:43.939
Well, that's a scary thought when you put in the

1493
01:32:43.979 --> 01:32:47.159
same sentence, doctors being incentivized.

1494
01:32:47.659 --> 01:32:49.380
Yeah, it is. It really is.

1495
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:52.930
Well, and the thing is, and I'm glad you brought

1496
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this up, And that is that, you know, though we

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01:32:55.949 --> 01:32:58.510
strive for a more perfect union and to do better

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01:32:58.850 --> 01:33:02.010
tomorrow than we did, you know, yesterday or today, I

1499
01:33:03.090 --> 01:33:07.560
grant that, you know, we have made some mistakes along

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the way. And you think we would learn from, you know,

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01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:15.720
some of these adverse reactions that, you know, have really, unfortunately,

1502
01:33:15.739 --> 01:33:18.439
have put, you know, they say big pharma, you know,

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the big pharma industrial complex into some jeopardy and questioning because,

1504
01:33:23.369 --> 01:33:28.210
we need to trust those that have a part or

1505
01:33:28.289 --> 01:33:32.189
participating in our biology and our health, right, Dr. Fareed?

1506
01:33:33.149 --> 01:33:38.760
Yeah, we do. Absolutely. And I was trusting for most

1507
01:33:39.100 --> 01:33:43.800
much of my career after I left academia and went

1508
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and then came into the trenches of real clinical medicine.

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01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:53.449
And felt that I was being guided by these authorities,

1510
01:33:53.569 --> 01:33:59.489
but they didn't guide properly. And the important point is

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01:33:59.550 --> 01:34:03.470
that you need to be cautious with anything that you

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01:34:03.510 --> 01:34:08.399
give to an individual. And you need to be using

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01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:15.430
the results that are reliable. And that's led me into

1514
01:34:15.470 --> 01:34:19.609
a new area that I'm really excited about that involves

1515
01:34:19.710 --> 01:34:24.479
the use of repurposed medications for cancer. And it's just

1516
01:34:24.899 --> 01:34:31.100
so remarkable that these medicines are multifunctional, like ivermectin in particular,

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01:34:31.140 --> 01:34:38.569
and even hydroxychloroquine, but the antiparasitic agents and certain supplements

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01:34:38.590 --> 01:34:44.149
that and other agents like metformin, and doxycycline, they have

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01:34:44.210 --> 01:34:51.029
multiple functions that impact cancer cells, and they're not necessarily

1520
01:34:51.069 --> 01:34:55.159
what they're approved for, like doxycycline is an antibiotic, or

1521
01:34:55.220 --> 01:35:02.479
metformin is a medicine for diabetes mellitus, and there are

1522
01:35:02.590 --> 01:35:07.949
other nutraceuticals that are very helpful. So I've been with

1523
01:35:07.970 --> 01:35:12.310
the organization that Brian and I are senior fellows with

1524
01:35:12.409 --> 01:35:17.710
called the Independent Medical Alliance. We have protocols for use

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01:35:19.550 --> 01:35:25.289
in that organization and readily available on their website, imahealth.org,

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or G in the Cancer Hub, using repurposed medications for cancer.

1527
01:35:31.449 --> 01:35:34.300
There's no downside from them. And they can only be

1528
01:35:34.340 --> 01:35:37.760
an upside. And they need to be incorporated into the

1529
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.819
standard of care with cancer patients, in my opinion.

1530
01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:44.939
Yeah, for some of our listeners, Dr. Freed, when they

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01:35:44.979 --> 01:35:48.800
hear repurposed medicine, some of them, this may be the

1532
01:35:48.819 --> 01:35:51.319
first time that they've heard about this. But the fact

1533
01:35:51.350 --> 01:35:53.789
of the matter is, is, you know, for all the years,

1534
01:35:54.189 --> 01:35:59.210
the decades of medical history and research and everything, I mean,

1535
01:35:59.550 --> 01:36:02.750
it's amazing what is on the shelf. And as you said,

1536
01:36:03.449 --> 01:36:06.770
Thank God there are people looking into this and saying, hey, look,

1537
01:36:06.829 --> 01:36:13.529
this has application. This has been approved for a specific issue,

1538
01:36:13.869 --> 01:36:18.760
but it can be repurposed for a current ailment or

1539
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.220
disease that we're dealing with, right?

1540
01:36:20.779 --> 01:36:26.560
That's correct. That's exactly the best way of describing that.

1541
01:36:26.899 --> 01:36:31.699
And these are agents that are generic. There's no profit

1542
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:35.949
in them. And they're inexpensive. And they've been tried and

1543
01:36:36.010 --> 01:36:39.439
true for what they were approved for, like hydroxychloroquine was

1544
01:36:39.899 --> 01:36:46.340
approved for as an anti-malarial agent. And billions of doses

1545
01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:51.060
were administered for malaria treatment. But it was approved also

1546
01:36:51.149 --> 01:36:56.449
for rheumatoid condition as a repurposed medication for the immune

1547
01:36:56.510 --> 01:37:00.869
system to counter the overactive immune system. And then it

1548
01:37:01.890 --> 01:37:08.020
has the the tried and true mechanism, this is what

1549
01:37:08.090 --> 01:37:13.310
led DDA Raoul to using it in, actually before we

1550
01:37:13.470 --> 01:37:18.329
used it, when they were having COVID breakout in Marseille

1551
01:37:18.369 --> 01:37:21.729
and in France, a month or two before it hit

1552
01:37:22.109 --> 01:37:25.300
the West Coast of the United States, he had the

1553
01:37:25.340 --> 01:37:31.079
protocol that guided us. And he had previously studied patients

1554
01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:36.560
with Q fever Another, a bacterial infection responsive to hydroxychloroquine

1555
01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:41.840
and doxycycline. And he would treat these patients with the

1556
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:48.060
hydroxychloroquine for 12 months daily with 600 milligrams a day.

1557
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:52.699
And for rheumatoid arthritis, it's 200 milligrams twice a day.

1558
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:58.199
And so we were using 600 milligrams or 800 milligrams, well,

1559
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:04.590
600 milligrams in our protocol with hydroxychloroquine our COVID patients.

1560
01:38:05.270 --> 01:38:09.470
And yet it eradicated this Q fever that had no treatment.

1561
01:38:10.489 --> 01:38:16.710
He's attributed the discoverer of the proper treatment, Didier Raoul,

1562
01:38:17.350 --> 01:38:21.289
and he was castigated in France. And he eventually had

1563
01:38:21.329 --> 01:38:26.789
to retire and close his, he had the preeminent center

1564
01:38:26.850 --> 01:38:32.140
in Marseille, France for infectious diseases. And he had documentation

1565
01:38:32.180 --> 01:38:40.649
of probably 20, 30,000 successes with the azithromycin hydroxychloroquine protocol

1566
01:38:40.739 --> 01:38:47.130
for COVID for COVID-19. And, and yet, uh, He was

1567
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under fire there as well. And this just shows the

1568
01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:56.899
immensity of the effort to drive forward the gene therapy

1569
01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:02.850
and the money-making area that led to the plundering of

1570
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our treasury for the sake of these gene therapy agents

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and the companies behind them. Very bad. But that's just

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part of the history that's so important that people don't know.

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We're talking with Dr. George Farid. He graduated from Harvard

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at Harvard Medical School and at UCLA School of Medicine.

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a biotech company, International Genetic Engineering, Inc. Since 1991, Dr.

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01:43:55.010 --> 01:43:58.079
Farid has worked clinically in primary medical care in the

1647
01:43:58.100 --> 01:44:01.600
Imperial Valley of California, He's been on the front line

1648
01:44:01.659 --> 01:44:06.000
for early COVID-19 treatment, has practiced a whole spectrum of

1649
01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:11.289
COVID-19 care, treating outpatients as well as inpatients. As a hospitalist,

1650
01:44:11.310 --> 01:44:15.210
he testified on November 19, 2020, in a Senate hearing

1651
01:44:15.310 --> 01:44:19.170
on early COVID-19 treatment. He brought the receipts. He brought

1652
01:44:20.510 --> 01:44:24.960
the information of his experience on the front line to

1653
01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:29.899
the Senate, and unfortunately... there were not enough ears to hear.

1654
01:44:30.460 --> 01:44:32.380
And I think that part of what was blocking the

1655
01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:36.569
ears of the senators and so many others, as you

1656
01:44:36.810 --> 01:44:39.449
kind of referred to it, and I, you know, we

1657
01:44:39.470 --> 01:44:40.869
got to call it out for what it is. I

1658
01:44:41.369 --> 01:44:43.590
don't know what else to call it, but pharmaceutical greed,

1659
01:44:44.109 --> 01:44:48.949
you know, to have already drugs, as you talked about,

1660
01:44:48.979 --> 01:44:51.899
that could have been easily repurposed. It would have negated

1661
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:55.119
the emergency authorization use. it would have healed a lot

1662
01:44:55.140 --> 01:44:57.619
of people a lot sooner. I mean, even Dr. Tyson said,

1663
01:44:58.220 --> 01:45:01.510
your partner, he said, had we done a test and

1664
01:45:01.590 --> 01:45:04.829
treatment and treat centers all across the United States, we

1665
01:45:04.869 --> 01:45:08.949
could have saved 80% of the population that died from COVID-19.

1666
01:45:09.250 --> 01:45:11.210
Think about that, Dr. Reed, that is huge.

1667
01:45:11.949 --> 01:45:15.789
It is huge. There's over a million died in the

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01:45:15.869 --> 01:45:19.810
United States from COVID-19 and 80% of those would have

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01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:23.779
been saved, if not more, actually, and The earlier that

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01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:27.270
it had been made the standard of care and that

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01:45:27.329 --> 01:45:31.149
fever clinics were set up like Brian Tyson's urgent care

1672
01:45:31.189 --> 01:45:36.850
clinics around the United States with the early treatment protocols

1673
01:45:36.909 --> 01:45:42.909
being offered, that would have resulted in the cessation of

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01:45:42.949 --> 01:45:43.609
the pandemic.

1675
01:45:45.460 --> 01:45:48.760
Well, greed abounded. There was no question. Not only in

1676
01:45:48.819 --> 01:45:54.090
big pharma, other areas, Dr. Fauci leveraged his position. he

1677
01:45:55.189 --> 01:46:00.550
utilized his power and authority to move taxpayer funds to

1678
01:46:01.470 --> 01:46:06.270
come up with, you know, evidence as far as we're

1679
01:46:06.310 --> 01:46:10.229
realizing that it was then, of course, is now in the,

1680
01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:15.100
as it comes to daylight, we're realizing how these things

1681
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:18.140
were manipulated and how we were lied to, Dr. Fareed.

1682
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:24.380
Yeah, yes, exactly. It was very disillusioning. And I was

1683
01:46:24.460 --> 01:46:29.619
just here in the remote rural area of California doing

1684
01:46:29.899 --> 01:46:33.149
clinical work and doing the best thing I could in

1685
01:46:33.189 --> 01:46:36.510
my different areas. But, you know, it took over everything

1686
01:46:36.609 --> 01:46:39.909
for me and for Brian Tyson during that two or

1687
01:46:39.989 --> 01:46:45.260
three year period of time. And yet it just was

1688
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:50.539
so disillusioning that this was the case. And I felt

1689
01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:54.960
that I had been a, culprit in my own way

1690
01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:01.409
of not realizing this was going on. I'm an old timer.

1691
01:47:01.630 --> 01:47:05.949
I plan to keep going for another 18 years until

1692
01:47:05.989 --> 01:47:09.420
I'm 100. I'm 82.

1693
01:47:09.420 --> 01:47:12.060
That was the question that I knew that was going

1694
01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:16.689
around the medical profession. A lot of doctors, because unfortunately, This,

1695
01:47:16.710 --> 01:47:19.970
you know, promoted early retirement for a lot of good

1696
01:47:20.010 --> 01:47:23.850
doctors across the country. How many thousands? I mean, thousands

1697
01:47:24.229 --> 01:47:27.739
of medical professionals that we lost because of this kind of,

1698
01:47:28.369 --> 01:47:31.050
you know, this lie and what was causing them to do.

1699
01:47:31.630 --> 01:47:34.770
And they just knew that ethically on so many levels

1700
01:47:35.189 --> 01:47:37.729
in terms of their Socratic oath to do no harm,

1701
01:47:38.130 --> 01:47:42.010
that it was impinging on their ethos as medical professionals

1702
01:47:42.029 --> 01:47:44.100
and they couldn't stand and retire. But one of the

1703
01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:46.460
things that I often heard them say is they would

1704
01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:48.880
ask their fellow doctors, are you still in? Because I

1705
01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.380
need to have a doctor I can trust, right?

1706
01:47:52.039 --> 01:47:56.930
Yes, exactly. That's right. You're trustworthy is so important. That's

1707
01:47:57.010 --> 01:48:03.210
what I put at the highest level, being trustworthy. And

1708
01:48:03.229 --> 01:48:09.310
I think the sad thing is that the medical profession

1709
01:48:09.390 --> 01:48:16.279
was up in arms yesterday. to support this edicts from

1710
01:48:16.340 --> 01:48:19.909
Fauci and the others in that they wouldn't see that

1711
01:48:20.899 --> 01:48:23.920
they were being misled. And when we would try to

1712
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.680
get the information out, they fought against it or argued

1713
01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:30.630
that there were other explanations or we were going to

1714
01:48:30.689 --> 01:48:35.270
be doing more harm than good. And if anything, that

1715
01:48:35.310 --> 01:48:39.229
was the wrong thing and people suffered, which was very bad.

1716
01:48:39.810 --> 01:48:42.840
Well, the unfortunate thing is that Dr. Fauci had manipulated

1717
01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:46.220
it in such a way that he got, you know,

1718
01:48:46.420 --> 01:48:49.800
who otherwise would have been credible doctors. I mean, very

1719
01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:55.470
well degreed in stellar positions. And they're going along with this.

1720
01:48:55.590 --> 01:48:59.090
And I got to imagine probably for some, if they

1721
01:48:59.130 --> 01:49:01.689
haven't seared their conscience, it's probably hard for them to

1722
01:49:01.750 --> 01:49:02.350
sleep at night.

1723
01:49:03.220 --> 01:49:07.869
Well, maybe or maybe not. People find ways of... of

1724
01:49:07.989 --> 01:49:12.430
putting out of their minds things like this and allowing

1725
01:49:12.470 --> 01:49:16.939
them to be thinking about other areas and resting well

1726
01:49:17.020 --> 01:49:21.260
at night. I wouldn't be able to myself. Right.

1727
01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.199
Well, Dr. Freed, I cannot thank you enough for your time,

1728
01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:26.659
for all the good that you did, especially in the

1729
01:49:26.699 --> 01:49:31.930
Imperial Valley. And, you know, your voice, though you may

1730
01:49:31.949 --> 01:49:34.550
not realize it really went across the country and around

1731
01:49:34.569 --> 01:49:37.390
the world, yours and Dr. Tyson, your book, the information

1732
01:49:37.409 --> 01:49:39.829
that you gave, the hearing in Congress and all that.

1733
01:49:40.510 --> 01:49:41.949
I'm going to turn it over to you and let

1734
01:49:41.989 --> 01:49:44.449
you wrap it up and kind of summarize what you

1735
01:49:44.529 --> 01:49:48.060
want our viewers to take away and what we can

1736
01:49:48.100 --> 01:49:50.140
do to make sure this doesn't happen again.

1737
01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:55.619
Well, I think that it's important that the truth of

1738
01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:00.430
what happened is out and people are recognize that, that

1739
01:50:00.550 --> 01:50:04.319
there were these terrible mistakes that were made and that

1740
01:50:04.659 --> 01:50:10.680
people use good judgment about what's safe and effective and

1741
01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.960
what that actually means and look at package inserts in

1742
01:50:14.979 --> 01:50:20.369
drugs and see what actually is the information on safety

1743
01:50:20.430 --> 01:50:26.210
and efficacy and then don't get swayed by without that

1744
01:50:26.270 --> 01:50:29.789
type of knowledge. But I think we hope in our

1745
01:50:29.890 --> 01:50:34.039
book that we're working on that probably won't be available

1746
01:50:34.100 --> 01:50:37.800
for four or five months, unfortunately. But when it does

1747
01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:41.680
come out, it will give us so much information from

1748
01:50:41.739 --> 01:50:45.739
the Global COVID Summit group that Brian and I have

1749
01:50:45.779 --> 01:50:50.090
been part of in many areas. There are really many areas.

1750
01:50:50.149 --> 01:50:54.229
It's hard to be succinct in this way of summarizing

1751
01:50:54.350 --> 01:50:57.710
without realizing that there's so much that has to be...

1752
01:50:58.409 --> 01:51:04.810
appreciated and understood to be able to be trustworthy for

1753
01:51:04.850 --> 01:51:07.970
doctors and also to be doing the right thing and

1754
01:51:08.250 --> 01:51:12.180
to prevent anything like this ever happening again. And I

1755
01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:17.659
think that if We definitely send you the first copy

1756
01:51:17.699 --> 01:51:18.659
of the book.

1757
01:51:19.899 --> 01:51:22.949
Because we'll have we'll have you back on lickety split to,

1758
01:51:23.250 --> 01:51:25.430
you know, get into that as well. Dr. Freed, that's

1759
01:51:25.449 --> 01:51:26.869
very kind of you. I appreciate that.

1760
01:51:27.149 --> 01:51:29.970
Thank you for the time today. And I look forward

1761
01:51:30.010 --> 01:51:34.489
to keeping you informed and following all that you do. Bill.

1762
01:51:34.689 --> 01:51:37.800
And I want to thank Dr. Rich Figueroa, who is

1763
01:51:37.859 --> 01:51:42.180
our mutual friend, and he is a great doctor, and

1764
01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:46.180
he shared our views and used our protocol with his

1765
01:51:46.220 --> 01:51:49.560
work in Oxnard and with others that came to him

1766
01:51:49.579 --> 01:51:53.659
at his urgent care clinic in Oxnard, California, but a

1767
01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:55.199
great doctor and friend of mine.

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01:51:55.779 --> 01:51:58.229
Yeah, a friend of both of ours. I mean, he

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01:51:58.270 --> 01:52:01.840
and I were childhood friends, and He's been my personal

1770
01:52:01.899 --> 01:52:07.420
doctor for, what, 60 years now? And he often accuses me, Dr. Farid,

1771
01:52:07.460 --> 01:52:09.479
of practicing medicine without a license.

1772
01:52:11.100 --> 01:52:13.819
The great doctor who's interested in my brother, who is

1773
01:52:13.859 --> 01:52:18.359
an orthopedic surgeon and had to retire from orthopedics because

1774
01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:22.329
of the pandemic. He just had no clinical practice left

1775
01:52:22.409 --> 01:52:25.590
in Santa Barbara. He developed an abscess on the back

1776
01:52:25.630 --> 01:52:28.689
of his neck. All the doctors locally there in Santa

1777
01:52:28.710 --> 01:52:32.479
Barbara shunned him or wanted to do major surgery for him.

1778
01:52:33.010 --> 01:52:37.409
I sent him down to Oxnard and Rich cured the abscess,

1779
01:52:37.489 --> 01:52:42.470
drained it properly, and properly treated and saved his life

1780
01:52:42.550 --> 01:52:45.270
in a way. But my brother was an inspiration to

1781
01:52:45.310 --> 01:52:49.569
me in my life and career, older brother, and gave

1782
01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:52.000
me a lot of good information when I went into

1783
01:52:52.039 --> 01:52:59.310
clinical practice on the full-time 36 years ago. And it

1784
01:52:59.350 --> 01:53:02.189
led to me being, I don't know if you know this,

1785
01:53:02.390 --> 01:53:06.489
in 2015, the California Medical Association named me the Rural

1786
01:53:06.569 --> 01:53:07.609
Doctor of the Year.

1787
01:53:08.409 --> 01:53:08.840
Oh, wow.

1788
01:53:08.899 --> 01:53:13.560
Great. Congratulations. You kept that information away from me, Dr.

1789
01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:16.300
Freed. Don't be so humble. That was a great honor,

1790
01:53:16.340 --> 01:53:20.539
the Plessner Award from the California Medical Association. I thought, well,

1791
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:22.189
now I can retire from medicine.

1792
01:53:22.750 --> 01:53:26.710
Well, not yet. You're not yet 100. That's our goal.

1793
01:53:26.729 --> 01:53:28.829
You said you wanted to practice until you're 100. God

1794
01:53:28.869 --> 01:53:29.250
bless you.

1795
01:53:29.869 --> 01:53:30.390
Well, Dr.

1796
01:53:30.430 --> 01:53:31.649
Freed, thank you so much.

1797
01:53:31.689 --> 01:53:31.949
Dr.

1798
01:53:31.989 --> 01:53:34.960
Freed is a medical director, author, and his partner of

1799
01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:37.039
the book Overcoming the COVID Darkness. We've got a new

1800
01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:39.520
book coming up in the coming months that we'll keep

1801
01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:44.720
you abreast of. And again, appreciate your time and all

1802
01:53:44.739 --> 01:53:47.890
the information. I will leave our audience with this quote

1803
01:53:47.930 --> 01:53:50.750
from Senator Ron Johnson. You made reference to him. This

1804
01:53:50.789 --> 01:53:53.310
is a good senator out of Wisconsin. He says, and

1805
01:53:53.350 --> 01:53:55.869
I quote, how many more people would be alive today

1806
01:53:55.949 --> 01:53:59.670
had the medical establishment followed the example of Dr. Tyson

1807
01:53:59.770 --> 01:54:04.029
and Dr. Farid instead of heeding arrogant bureaucrats who recommended

1808
01:54:04.130 --> 01:54:08.899
no treatment for COVID-19 until it was often too late.

1809
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:10.100
Great.

1810
01:54:10.460 --> 01:54:13.420
Thank you very much, Bill. I appreciate that. Stay well.

1811
01:54:13.899 --> 01:54:17.250
You got it. You too. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you

1812
01:54:17.350 --> 01:54:19.210
for being with us and sharing a part of your day.

1813
01:54:19.689 --> 01:54:23.819
For more information on the show, you can go to BillMartinezLive.com.

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01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:26.579
God bless you. And may God bless you and keep you.

1815
01:54:26.619 --> 01:54:28.329
May make his face shine upon you. May he be

1816
01:54:28.369 --> 01:54:31.250
gracious unto you and give you peace. Take care.

1817
01:54:31.850 --> 01:54:32.550
Take care, Bill.

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01:54:32.649 --> 01:54:32.970
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