July 17, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 07 17 26
The Bill Martinez Show 07 17 26
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, okay, us do an Ill Martinez Live a program
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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and
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our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Hey, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.
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Right now, Bill Martinez here with Kennon Speedback, the founder
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and chairman of the SMI Group, LLC and international consulting
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firm and investment bank. Kennon, good morning to you.
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How are you, good morning? Thanks for having me back.
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Well, always good to have you back. A couple of
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things just in the news, Lindsay Graham's sudden passing. I
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mean here we were thinking that, you know, Mitch McConnell possibly,
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and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Lindsey
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Graham is out. And of course you know here he
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was a champion for Donald Trump. We don't we don't
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need to lose any more, you know, people that are
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supporting the MAGA agenda and things that we've been needing
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to get past, like you know, like the Save Act.
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Lindsay's passing is really very bad. I met him several times.
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He was such a gentleman. He was the funniest person,
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the funniest senator certainly that I've ever met, and there
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are so many things that he was in the center of.
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He was a terrific Trump supporter, but you know, he
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also sometimes got Trump a little exasperated in his strong
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support for Israel and Ukraine and even NATO. He was
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a NATO supporter. And what people don't realize about Lindsay
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is that in the Gang of Fourteen, in the Gang
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of Eight, in the Gang of Ten, he was in
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the center of all sorts of bipartisan efforts to cross
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over on the divide. He was a terrific, terrific person
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and a fantastic senator.
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Right, of course, we're still waiting to see who the
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governor is going to appoint because you know, I don't
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think there'll be a special election until the normal election
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because we need somebody they're representing South Carolina in the meantime.
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Right, Yeah, he's going to appoint someone today. Some people
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think that maybe Lindsay's sister Darlene, which makes some sense,
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because we can't afford to have any member of the
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House leave the House to become the interim senator. If
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the interim senator is not a so called caretaker, meaning
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someone who's not intending to run, that person gets an advantage.
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I think a lot of people might be quite happy
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to see Lindsay's sister appointed for this six month period.
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I think that makes sense because it preserves the space
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and doesn't necessarily threaten what we've already got, which is
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we're basically on thin ice a little bit anyway right
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now going into these final what have we got about
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maybe twenty days left of the Senate being able to
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meet before before the midterms.
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Yeah, it's critical that we have a Republican vote in there,
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and we don't want a Republican vote from someone who's
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not knowledgeable and intelligent. And Lindsay's sister has been involved
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with his campaigns and been involved in various things he's done.
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I don't know that you would be qualified to be
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the permanent senator from South Carolina, but she certainly qualified
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to handle the job for the remaining period. And there's
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ample precedent for appointing the spouse of a congress person
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or senator who passes away.
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Well, and it's not like the staff is gone, and
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the staff has all the background and all the information,
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so that's still in play, right.
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Yeah, again, And I don't know that the government is
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going to appoint Darlene. But one of the benefits is
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she doesn't have her own staff. She'll work with Lindsay's staff.
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It will enhance the transition. If you were to appoint
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a congress person, that congress person has his or her staff.
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So exactly to wait a little bit later today to
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see what happens, and maybe it won't be Darlene, but
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if it is, I think that'll be a good choice.
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And there are other good choices too. What's important is
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the primary that will take place in a few weeks
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to find Lindsey's successor as the permanent Republican nominee, and
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it will be very important that that person be elected.
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How's her How politically savvy is she?
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I don't know how savvy she is, but she's knowledgeable.
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She's been around Lindsay and his campaign. She's been a
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bit of an advisor. So I'm going to stay with
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knowledgeable and not go all the way up to savvy.
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Right, Okay, very good. I want to talk birthright citizenship
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confusion still remains after you know, the decision by the
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Supreme Court. What say you?
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All?
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Right? So I had an article today in Real Clear Politics,
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and what I said there is exactly what I believe,
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that the Constitution of the United States does not prohibit
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barring from birthright citizenship the children of illegal immigrants or
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the children of people here temporarily. The people here temporarily
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may well be here legally, they could be tourists. The
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Supreme Court instead held that, based on a four hundred
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and eighteen year old British case about feudal servitude, and
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based on an eighteen ninety eight case which is fairly
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well known Wong Kim ark about legal the children of
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legal immigrants, that the only exceptions that Congress was allowed
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to implement were exceptions for children of diplomats, invaders, and
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children born on boats. That was a bizarre one, and
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that there are no other exceptions. There can be no
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other exception, and based on that that the prohibition of
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birthright citizenship for illegal immigrant children or temporary visitor children
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is unconstitutional. It is a crazy and bizarre decision. The
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decision on temporary visitors only got five justices. The decision
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on illegal immigrant children got six justices. And they're thinking
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couldn't have been more wrong because this case on which
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they relied said over and over again that its decision
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was premised on the children here born here being the
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children of legal foreign immigrants and being domiciled in the US,
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which tourists are not. It's a bizarre decision.
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Well, the other thing is, the big question was under
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the jurisdiction thereof right, Well, if you're a citizen of
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another country just because you're born here, does that, you know,
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take the jurisdiction issue out of play. Aren't they still
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under the jurisdiction of their home country?
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All right?
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Yes? So now what you're going back to, which is
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the way the Supreme Court really should have listened or
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heard this case, was to say that the Supreme Court
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precedents that it cited, by the way, one of which
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the slaughter House cases decided just five years after the
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fourteenth Amendment, also said that children of taurusts could not
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be US citizens. I mean, there's a difference between illegal
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immigrant children and tourist children, and the outcome doesn't have
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to be the same for both. So what you've said is,
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all right, let's assume that none of these precedents are
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on point, none of these presidents are on point. So
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let's go back and figure this out from the start.
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The way the Court should have done it if it
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even had to go back and look at the Constitution,
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which really it did not because of some federal statutes
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that are on point. But if we go back and
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look at the Constitution, I think the answer is we
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don't know. That there was no discussion of what that
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phrase meant at that time, that it was not a
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well drafted phrase, and that we could debate from now
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until the cows come home. Did it mean the sole
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jurisdiction of the US. Did it mean the primary jurisdiction
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of the US. Did it mean a little team see
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little bit the jurisdiction of the US. And so I'm
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going to say the fairest answer is we don't know,
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which means that probably the best outcome would have been
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to say, we're going to allow Congress to decide which
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one of the other sections of the Fourteenth Amendment says
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Court should have held.
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You know, I agree one hundred percent with what you're
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saying here. And then this has been the problem with
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Congress is that, and especially in light of this current administration,
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it's like Trump is with a fire hose of things
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just flashing at them to say, take care of this
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business when we've been dealing with this for decades, resolve
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these issues, and Congress is saying, well, you know, but
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I have to I have to take a vacation, I
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have to go on break.
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Right. You know, there is one thing that Justice Kavanaugh
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was right about. In nineteen forty, Congress passed an immigration Act,
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and in nineteen fifty two they passed another immigration act.
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At the time, there is in the congressional record indication
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that they understood that they were going to make it
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