July 16, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 07 16 26

The Bill Martinez Show 07 16 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 07 16 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, ok us do an Ill Martinez Live a program

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about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning America. Glad you can join us. Bill

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Martinez here along with Colonel Rob Manus, who joins us now.

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The colonel's just been just had an incredible background, and

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we just honor him for his service and what he's

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done to secure freedom for all Americans. He's United States

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Air Force retired author of the new book What You

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Can Do About It, Taking real action against corruption, radicalism,

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and moral decay to save America. Who on, let me

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tell you, colonel, thank you so much for being with us.

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Thanks for having me on.

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Bill.

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Well, let's talk about the book. I mean, this happens

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to be in my wheelhouse right now because I look

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at the landscape of our country on its two hundred

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and fiftieth birthday, and nobody has claimed that we're perfect.

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But there is a lot to be said about the

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integrity and the disintegration of some foundational issues that are

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impacting you know, the kind of fruit that we're seeing

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from the tree that's been emanating from the United States

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of America.

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What say you, Oh, You're absolutely right. Look, you know,

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this book is not a biography, although we use stories

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from my life experiences within the book to highlight what

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I've learned about this question. And the question is especially

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the title of the book rephrased, and that is what

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can I do about it? The men that's the fifty

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six men that signed that Declaration of independence or the

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end of a long line of more than two decades

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of struggle to try to do something about the persecution

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and suppression and oppression of rights by the British government

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on its colonists. It's citizens that happen to be separated

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by the Atlantic Ocean, and that's what they asked. Americans

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are individual people before they are anything else. And it's

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in our DNA. Even if an American citizen gets sworn

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in yesterday, if they really believe in the United States

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of America, that piece of individuality is in their DNA.

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And that's why I wrote the book. And the title

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of the book is what you can do about it?

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Because what I've learned in politics, especially the last thirteen

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or fourteen years since I entered the arena, is that

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is it starts with one person and.

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You got to learn how to organize, You got to learn.

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How to raise resources, including money, and you got to

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learn how to act because the left in this country,

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they've been kicking our butts at it for decades now, right,

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And if we can't do that, get those simple things done,

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then we are going to be on the losing end

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every time. Even if we win a battle, the people

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on our side of the aisle, I don't want to

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say our side of the aisle, but the Americans that

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still believe in that declaration, even if we win a battle,

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we can't just shrug our souldiers and say, yeah, we

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won the battle, let's go home. This is a continuous war.

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Every president has told you that, my fellow Americans, that

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this is a continuous war and a fight to keep

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our freedom, and it can't be passed from one generation

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to the next.

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Exactly in it.

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In it.

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Yeah, it's been over two hundred and fifty years of

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this battle. And you know, just like when it first

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started out, you had those that resisted, that wanted to

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stay loyal to the crown. You had people that were

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then you could say anti American. Today we have the

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demonstrations clear, we have people that and to me, I've

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set aside the party, the partisan stuff and talking about

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Democratic republic or Republicans. It's really are you pro American

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or your anti American? And if you're pro American, then

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the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution is meaningful to you.

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If you get caught up in party politics, it gets

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dilloted and it gets rewritten and reassessed in a way

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that it makes it less than significant. And those two

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documents are hugely significant. That is our birth certificate, it

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is our birthright. It is the purpose for why we

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live in this country and what we want for the

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next generation, because that's what you know, our founders wanted.

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That's what they put it all on the line for.

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It wasn't them, it was it was for you know,

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the next generations that were coming up behind them.

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Oh, you're absolutely right.

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You know.

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General Washington made the comment many many times that he

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believed that the actions that they were taking today, whether

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it was in the American Revolution or during his presidency

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or going to affect millions and millions of yet to

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be born Americans, is the type of language that he

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would use when talking about it. And he's and he

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and all of those framers and founders were exactly right.

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Their actions have impacted not only millions and millions of

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unborn Americans, but millions and hundreds of millions of unborn

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people on the planet that have been able to achieve

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freedom by either coming here and becoming American citizens if

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they buy into our culture, if they have to caveat that,

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because a lot of people are coming here and managing

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to become citizens that are not buying into our culture

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and want to change it. And that's the fight that

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we face today. The Mamdanis of the world, the ilian

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Omars of the world, the extreme leftists of the world,

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and those on the right, on the extremes that want

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to change the way this country was is operating and

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have been successful in many ways so far, but we're

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rolling some of them back. They we have to fight them,

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and that's the current fight today.

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You Know.

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The interesting thing is on the partisanship issue. I believe

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that's why presidents like Reagan and Trump have been largely

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successful because they've really not bent the knee in their

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successful runs and administrations to the partisan politics for the

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most part. I mean, it happens on occasion where they

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don't pull everybody together to try to get something big done.

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But for the most part, when they were running and

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came on the scene, they weren't partisans.

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Because they're principally based. Yeah, they're principally focused. I mean,

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you know, colonel, you know from your background, it starts

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you know, when you plan a mission, it starts with

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the foundation. Is the foundation solid? Is it going to

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yield the results that you expect? And when you look

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at their declaration of independence in our constitution and all

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those that can before, like you said, I mean, it

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was well over one hundred years in the planning and

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it finally got to where the British created such dissatisfaction

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with the colonists the colon us that hey, we got

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to do something about this, and so they had to

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come together and establish the foundation that was going to

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give us. You know, right now we're benefiting from two

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hundred and fifty years of liberty, and so they laid

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the foundation for us and everything.

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You see.

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I think we've lost sight because this is a huge government.

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We get busy, but we need to realize and I've

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been saying to our audience, we need to return to

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first principles, and this is embracing those foundational issues that

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maintains the integrity of the foundation. So whatever we put

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on top of it will stand. Right.

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Oh, you're absolutely right.

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You know, this current president has cut more than three

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hundred and thirty thousand government employees as he's implemented policies

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that have resulted in manufacturing.

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You know, it's amazing, Colonel, you know you say that.

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I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's just that, you know,

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people need to really get their brain around. You cut

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three hundred thousand government employees, and oh my goodness, the

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government didn't.

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Go away, you know, and we've got a lot more

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to do too.

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You know.

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The good news on the good news side of that

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is the jobs that have been created under this current president,

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our Civillian jobs, a lot of them are new manufacturing

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jobs actually coming back because of his policies. The government's

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not creating them. I mean, the president takes credit for it,

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but it's the policies that are enabling you know, job

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creators to come on the scene again. And these job

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creators as opposed to government jobs, as you know, Bill,

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they generate wealth and wealth that will go to children

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and grandchildren of the folks worked in and operating those companies.

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So that's the right way to do it.

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But we have a long way to go on reducing

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the federal government. You know, it's an unelected bureaucracy. Many

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people see it as a fourth branch of government that's

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not allowed in the Constitution. And I hope to see

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even more reforms from this current president before he leaves

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office that will enable folks to be removed from the

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bureaucracy much more easily, because it's very, very difficult to

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Nutrition for Patriots, we're talking with Colonel Rothmanez, United States

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Air Force, retired author of.

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The book What You Can Do About It It Echoes.

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JFK's inaugural speech. You know, don't ask what the country

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can do, but what can you? And right now we

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need all hands on deck to save this democracy and

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to ensure our freedom, you know, in many respects. And

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I get it. You know, it's not like we're we're necessarily,

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you know, shooting bullets at everybody. But you know, this

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is a democratic republic. We need to make sure our

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vote counts. We need to be in the arena. You

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cannot be on the sidelines. This is how we got here,

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right now, where you've got According to one poll, Colonel

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that I was just reading the other day, forty six

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percent of Americans don't know US history. Yeah, that's incredible.

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And it's those forty six percent that don't believe in

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the Declaration in the Constitution anymore and that are voting

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for people like the mayor of New York City, like

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the congresswoman from Minnesota, and all kinds of these folks

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that are essentially Islamis. Marcus, the President was right to

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call them out. They're not democratic socialists. They are communists.

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They're not all Islamists, but a lot of them are

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Islamists that are wearing communism essentially as a skin suit

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in our country, and our society is in really grave

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danger right now if we don't figure out how to

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within our system get this under control. Because we have

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laws against communists holding office on the books that are

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not being enforced.

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We have that law needs to be.

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Modified to talk about Islamist because Islam is whether they

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take an oath to the to support and defending the

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Constitution or not, their belief system is antithetical to the

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very constitution that they say they're taking an oath to.

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Congress should not seat any congress people that are elected

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that have those belief systems, whether communism or Islamism. And

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I know that sounds like a hard thing to deal

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with when you're talking about a country that has the

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First Amendment and the right to worship freely and those

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kind of things, But we have to really figure out

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exactly what we're talking about because an ideology like Islamism

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is an ideology that's like communism. That's why they go

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hand in hand, and people call it even call it

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the Red Green Alliance is because they are ideologies, they

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are not religion. It's exactly perspective of the First Amendment.

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And the American people need to understand it, and it

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starts with us. If we don't stand up in our

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school board meetings, if we don't stand up in our churches,

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if we don't stand up in our city councils and

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our county commissions and everywhere across this land to object

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to this and insist that our laws be followed and

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that these people not be seated because they cannot support

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and defend the Constitution the way it's supposed to be

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being implemented, then we will fail. But that's why this

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book is important. It's about what you can do about it,

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exactly and the words can do, and that's what America

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is all about. That's why I wrote it this way.

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And the first thing again is you've got to understand

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and pursue the truth no matter where it leaves, and

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appreciate that your eyes are not lying to you. Your

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eyes are telling you what's happening. And you know, we

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know islamus, you know, believe in takia, which is you know,

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gives them the conscience to lie and be deceptive. Of

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course we're seeing this happening in Iran and in other

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Muslim countries. That's what they do, and you know, and

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so you just have to look at the fruit of

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what they bring. I mean, what have they brought to

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America that you can say, Man, I'm sure glad they're here.

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I mean, you know, just in Minnesota alone, look at

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all the fraud that's been taking place there. Billions of

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dollars of citizens there in Minnesota have been deprived of

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services and that money has gone to Somalia.

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Exactly right in attacks. The other thing they brought to

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America is over attacks on individual liberty. Women are treated

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like shadow slavery, chattel slaves. Children have no say whatsoever,

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no standing in that society. Animals are treated inhumanly every

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single day by those that have come here and have

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not given up their ideology. You know, I have Muslim

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friends that are Americans through and through. They have bought

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into the idea of American and they could swear to

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defend the Constitution of the United States. But the people

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you're seeing, like especially Zoron Mondamie, all you have to

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do is look at the video that the man put

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out on July fourth. It's disgusting what he was doing.

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He's been in the country less than eight years. He's

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never had a real job. He's a trust fund baby,

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and he's an Islamist in addition to being a Marxist,

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and he hates this country. He hates what you, my

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fellow Americans, stand for, which is the right to live free,

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the right to be had, the opportunity to be prosperous,

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the right to own private property. He hates those ideas

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and is set about to destroy them. That means he

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should be denaturalized and deported because he lied on his

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citizenship application and he lied under his oath to support

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and defend the Constitution. That's the direction we have to

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take on this. We can't make it about the so

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called islam religion. We've got to make it about the

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Constitution of the United States and the ability and the

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exultingness to defend it or not. Either with us or

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you're against us, and a lot on the left are

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against those of us who still believe in this declaration

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and the Constitution United States.

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Goes back to what we talked about initially, and that's

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the foundational issue. You compromise the foundation. Here's what you got, Carol.

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I wanted to talk to you about Iran. What's your assessment.

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It's very difficult to negotiate with terrorists in Iran is

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the world's leading sponsor of state terrorism around the world,

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not just in the Middle East, it's around the world.

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And while I appreciate President Trump's desire to achieve peace,

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and I also appreciate his willingness to take this issue

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on and finally in the war that started when I

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was seventeen year old in the Air Force uniform in

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nineteen seventy nine, to finally end that war on America

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and on freedom by taking these folks on. And I

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appreciate his willingness to do it some kind of peace

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negotiation with him, but he's got to remember what Thomas

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Jefferson and John as George Washington all learned when first

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dealing with what they called the Muslim Mussulman, the Muslims

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the Barbary Coast, and Morocco, and that is they learned

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the hard way that while the Moroccans, for instance, signed

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the first treaty with the United States and recognize the

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United States as the country before any other country, before

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they got to that point, the United States had to

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hammer them because they were stealing our ships, they were

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kidnapping our people and selling them into slavery, and they

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weren't black people, folks, they were white people, and they

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were holding them for ransom, and they were requiring tribute

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to go through international waters around there. And what did

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the United States have to learn to do? Fight back

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and crush them. That's how we ended up with a

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treaty with Morocco and why they recognized this as the

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first country to recognize the United States internationally. And if

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we don't understand that and stay with that lesson, then

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the Iranians will wiggle out of the accountability that this

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president has had the courage to hold them to.

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Colonel we said on this show, being a marine myself,

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and certainly no my brother was career Air Force, So

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no slight to the Air Force whatsoever. But I remind

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people of Jefferson's statement, and you alluded as you started

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to say that, I said, yeah, Jefferson had a very

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quick response. After studying the Qur'an, he realized the Muslims

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and what their ideology was all about, and his statement

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was sending the Marines right.

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That's right.

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There's one fun picture on the wall of my office.

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I keep it in front of me even when I'm

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on camera. I can see it, and it's a picture

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of the US Constitution USS Constitution leading the American fleet

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onto the shores of Tripoli and paying them an iron,

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which is cannonballs from their cannons on the ships as

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the Marines were landing there in Tripoli. That's there for

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a reason. I was in the Pentagon on nine to eleven.

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I grew up with Muslims, had my first interaction with them,

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and when I was nine years old in Morocco as

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a kid, when I lived there, I understand them incessantly.

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And that print of the USS Constitution payment and iron

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has been hanging on my wall since two thousand and three,

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two thousand and two. I take that back two thousand

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and two because I understand the combat and the war

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that is being waged against us, because we are free men.

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Well, the Bible says that there's a time for peace

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and a time for war. And what it tells me

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is that you better know the difference. Yes you do.

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How I know the and you have to know the

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difference between an enemy that is capable of negotiating peace

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and an enemy that will refuse to negotiate peace and

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do everything that they can, including agreed to peace, to

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continue their war against you until you're dead.

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Yeah, if you don't have trust, you don't have an agreement.

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That's foundation. Again, we're back to the foundation. Colonel Rob

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manis US Air Force retired author of the new book.

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Hey, welcome back, Bill Martinos here with the one and

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only build Pass Goo TVB's man in Washington. Hey, mister Bill,

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how are we doing?

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I'm doing five, Bill, but apparently not as good as

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you are.

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Well Aloha, Yes, you know the six hour time change is.

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It's always interesting, but for whatever reason, it's been a

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particular challenge this year. I don't know why, because sometimes

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when when it'll knock me off balances when you know,

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because Hawaii doesn't change times. They stay the same, right,

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So there's half the year they're on five hour cycle

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and the other half they're on six. Right now they're

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on six. So usually usually I get tripped up when

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it's on five. But you know, right now it's I'm

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just I'm a hot mess.

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Well I hope you're enjoying being a hot mess.

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I am from that standpoint, I am. It's just great

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with the grandkids, and our daughter just celebrated her birthday,

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and it's just, you know, timing has just been been terrific.

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And I got two other granddaughters on o Wahuu right

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now going to school, and I sent them a message saying, hey,

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look at you need to hop skip and a jump

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over here and see your grandfather, you know, so hopefully

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we can get that in. But anyway, I did want

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to first of all talk about, you know, our condolences

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and sadness for one Lindsay Graham. Hyeh, you know, I

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gotta I gotta say this. I am ashamed of the

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Left that the way they've attacked this poor man. Look at.

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I get it that you may not agree with his

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policies and that, but they they've attacked him in a

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way that's just it's uncivil. It's Unamerican the way they've

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attacked him.

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You know, Lindsey Graham was was literally the last of

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a dying breeds. There there is a there is a

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school of thought that politics is about civility. I think

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he was. He was an exemplar of that right. You know,

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he was famously part of the Three Amigos, which he

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would when whenever somebody referred to him and Senator John

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McCain of Arizona and Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, the

546
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three of them formed this group that somebody nicknamed them

547
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the Three Amigos, and he would always wisecrack a terrible movie,

548
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great group, but terrible me. But you know, you stop

549
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and think about the three of them, they were all mavericks.

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He is the only one of the three who actually

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stayed inside the party system and worked with the party

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as we think of partisan politicians doing. John McCain famously

553
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ran as a maverick against his party. Joe Lieberman, even worse,

554
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actually lost his party's nomination when he ran for reelection

555
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in two thousand and six, lost the nomination in the primary,

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and then decided you know what, under Connecticut law, there's

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no law that says I can't run in the general

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election as an independent. So he did that and he

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defeated the Democratic nominee who defeated him for the nomination.

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Ned Lamont, a rather imposing figure in Connecticut politics, later

561
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got elected governor a couple times. So all three of

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them were willing to stand up for values that they

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believed in, and they all three shared a commitment to

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America's role in the world. They had a different view

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of what America's role in the world was to what

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you find today in either the Democratic Party or exactly

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the new Republican Party. The Donald Trump dominated Trump Republican

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Party doesn't see America's role in the world the same

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way that McCain and Lieberman and sadly Lindsey Graham did.

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So it's going to be very interesting for me to

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see how does this play out. For instance, I think

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it's very clear to say it's very proper to say

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that Lindsay Graham was Ukraine's best friend in the United

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States Senate. Is the reason that us AID was not

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cut off to Ukraine when a new administration led by

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Donald Trump came to power. Populated by people who didn't

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think much of Ukraine and who were not very happy

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with Ukraine. And there were moves a year and a

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half ago, right as the administration took over to almost

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totally zero out US funding for Ukraine's effort to defend

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itself against Russia. Lindsey Graham is one of the reasons

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that that didn't happen entirely. And in fact, if you've

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paid attention over the last couple of months, as Ukraine's

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war against Russia has now turned around pivoted, it turns

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out that Ukraine is ingenious when it comes to developing drones.

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And now we understand battlefield robots that are actually going

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out and retrieving wounded soldiers who have been hiding from

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Russian drones. I mean, this is the most extraordinary acount

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of warfare taking place that we've ever seen. And now

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President Trump has almost turned one hundred and eighty degrees

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on Ukraine. He wants to license the ability for Ukraine

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to manufacture the Patriot defense system missiles that they so

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desperately need but which we don't have enough of. So

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Ukraine is now going to start building Atriot systems. Goodness gracious,

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who would have predicted that a year and a half ago.

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But that's all been made possible by Lindsey Graham. And

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now he's no longer there. He's not going to be

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there to whisper in President Trump's here, and I.

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Think tells me he will still have an echo in

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that administration.

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I mean, yes, he will.

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This was his last trip, right, I mean he was

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just in Ukraine.

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That's right, That's right. He was in Ukraine on Friday morning.

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He returned home. He had a conversation with President Trump

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at about six thirty on Saturday, and literally hours later

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was when he was he was struck by whatever it

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was that started it. We understand it was an an

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aortic rupture that ended up killing him. Right, But you're right,

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he will echo with President Trump. There's already talked. There

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was a Russia sanctions bill, That's what he was talking

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with President Trump about.

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That.

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He wanted to move legislation that would allow the president

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to sanction countries that bought Russian oil. Is it is Russia?

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You know, somebody said a long time ago that Russia

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is really it's a gas station with nuclear mystically, right,

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it's got natural resources, it's a massive country. Keep in

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mind this is you know, we think we're a big

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country because we have a continent that spans three time zones.

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Russia spans eight time zones. It's it's one sixth of

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the land mass of the earth is the country of Russia.

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So they got immense natural resources and that's the only

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thing that's fueling the war effort. So if you can

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cut off Russia's ability to sell oil, then you can

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really you can really do damage to Putin's effort to

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pay for the war effort against Ukraine.

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Soon or I wonder, and you wonder if President She's

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going to back off, because he already has kind of

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backed off with the straight of moves and seat, you know,

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so would he take the next step when it comes

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to Russia, because he's been you know, hip, you know,

633
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joined at the hip with Russia all along.

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Well, you know, they've been talking about building a second

635
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pipeline to take Russian oil directly to China, and the

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idea from Russia's side, the idea was we're going to

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get the Chinese to pay for it. And the Chinese

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diplomats who were conducting the negotiations over how are we

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going to do this they have apparently, I just read

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it this morning. They have apparently informed the Russian side

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that China expects to pay no more for Russian oil

642
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than what Russia charges its own people. Okay, so Russia

643
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apparently had a two tiered system where they they charge

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their their own people one level that's lower, and then

645
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they charge foreigners more for the same oil. China say no, no, no,

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We're going to pay exactly the same price you charge

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your own people, and don't bother coming back to us

648
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until you've agreed to that term. We have no reason

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to negotiate with you any further until you accede to

650
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that point. So it's very clear you're exactly right, President

651
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g In. China is kind of pulling away, you know.

652
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I think fifteen years ago he looked at Putin a

653
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different way than he looks at Putin now.

654
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Now.

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Putin is clearly the subordinate member of that duo. He's

656
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almost robbin to Batman, looking up for guidance, and hopefully

657
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he's hoping that China will bail him out. I don't think.

658
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I don't think China is.

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Going to do that.

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Yeah, China's got its own problems right now. Yes, By

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the way about a minute left here Congress in session.

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I mean, the hourglass is turned upside down and the

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sand is scampering through these final minutes of this session bill,

664
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and we still have serious business pending. What's going to happen?

665
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Hey, we've got twenty two legislative days before the election.

666
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We've got six lets light of day is left before

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the August recess. The House is hoping to move a

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skinny budget resolution that would pay for about seventy billion

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dollars in supplemental funding for the Pentagon, about twenty billion

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dollars for agriculture needs. They're going to attach the Save

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America Act to it, push it through the House. The

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idea is, let's get that through the Budget Committee on Thursday,

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and then let's bring it to the floor of the

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House next week so that we get that wrapped up

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before the August recess. The Senate will deal with it

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when they come back from the August recess. You know,

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what I'm wondering is what's going to happen to the

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three hundred and fifty billion dollars from Pentagon funding that

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the White House had requested originally be part of this

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reconciliation bill. But now they recognize that there's no way

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to do a bill that big without finding a way

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to offset the spending. Right, you've got conservatives in the House,

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led by Chip Roy, who say, we're not just going

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to borrow this money anymore. We have to pay for it.

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If we're going to spend three hundred fifty billion dollars

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on defense, then we've got to save three hundred and

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fifty billion dollars from some other place in the budget.

688
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And the leadership looked at it and said, you know what,

689
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we can't come up with that, So we can't do

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the three hundred and fifty billion dollar defense.

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How about how about if you passed legislation and allow

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me to capture tariff money.

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Boy, that'd be nice. We've just had a judge, you know,

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because of the because the rulings earlier this year, including

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by the Supreme Court, saying the President didn't have the

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power to use that particular law to collect those tariffs.

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I just saw that eighty one billion dollars has just

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been refunded by the federal government to people who paid

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the tariff that they shouldn't have had to pay. If

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they can use the right law. There's some money that

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can be captured right there, there's an offset, there's a

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way to pay for the defense spending. You're right. Look,

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the federal government spends way too much money. That's the

704
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biggest problem. It's not just the tax burden, it's the

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spending burden, because so sooner or later, somebody's got to

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pay for it. Either you pay for it in taxes now,

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or you pay for it by paying back the loan.

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That's what US bonds are. We're borrowing money from people.

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We're borrowing two trillion dollars a year now. This is

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an ungodly amount of money that we are burdening future

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generations with. Hey, you and I are part of the

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generation that has enjoyed all this government spending for the

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last forty years that we've been building up this thirty

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eight now thirty nine trillion dollars in debt. Frankly, it's unconscionable.

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I'm embarrassed to be part of the generation that enjoyed

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services but wasn't willing to pay for them.

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I'm not sure we enjoyed it, Bill, I think it

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was just shut down our throats. Yeah, and politicians got

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Pasco's always appreciate the time and insight. Be well, my friend,

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Back where you're glad you coul join us. Bill Martinez

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here with the co president of Numbers USA, My coup. Hey, Mike,

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good morning to you. I'm gonna say a lot. I'm

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rather casual here on the on the island of Maui

799
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with the grandkids. So we're having a good time, but

800
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thanks for thanks for adjusting your schedule. We're only six

801
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hours behind.

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So and here in the swamp of DC. I'm envious

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of you out there in.

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Hawaii, Well, I'm praying for you, you know, for all

805
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that you're having to go through. I mean, this has

806
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been an incredible couple of days since the weekend, the

807
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.280
passing of Lindsey Graham. I imagine, you know, heads are

808
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.199
still spinning. Although the left can't help themselves. I mean,

809
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.960
the guys barely at the corner's office and they're already

810
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taking shots at him. I'll tell you, the lack of

811
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civility and respect, and they they can't stop themselves. And

812
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it's like, you know, I got to think, Mike, that

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the majority of American people and for me, and you know,

814
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we've traveled these past several days, you know, coming to Hawaii,

815
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.119
I don't I might read of everyday people, you know,

816
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.159
across the country, and even here in a democratic controlled

817
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.880
state like Hawaii, people are pretty fair minded and reasonable.

818
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:12.719
Yeah, I would agree.

819
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.280
I would agree with that. You know, especially on social media,

820
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you get sort of the most rabbit ten percent of

821
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.960
folks a lot of times the most outspoken, and they're

822
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.119
not representative of a lot of the views of average

823
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.519
Americans and everyday Americans. And on Lindsey Graham, I could

824
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.760
just say the couple times I got to meet with

825
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.800
him and work with him. He was always a gentleman,

826
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.760
always very nice, very funny guy. And for Numbers USA,

827
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.599
you know, he was a couple of years ago he

828
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.760
was you know, Amnesty Gang of Eight. But over this

829
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.880
last Congress he was one of the best members that

830
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we had. He sponsored the birthright Citizenship resolution for US.

831
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We were working with the other policies and a lot

832
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of the border funding in the one big Beautiful Bill

833
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would not have happened about Lindsay Graham. Lindsay Krant Graham

834
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is the budget chair, and when others didn't want to

835
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.960
do it, he pushed it forward. Was champion against sanctuary cities.

836
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.599
So he really though over this last year and the

837
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.719
Trump administration got a lot of funding for border enforcement

838
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.119
and got ice refunded and all that. So he really

839
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was a champion for border enforcement and did a great

840
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.119
job as Congress for Numbers USA.

841
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.079
Well, Numbers USA has great cards out and they're flashing

842
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red and we're gonna talk about that in just a second,

843
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.480
but before we do, you brought up birthright citizenship and

844
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.519
that issue that still continues where America is still scratching

845
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.480
their head going what the heck happened? And then some

846
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.119
of us thought, well, maybe just maybe Congress might pick

847
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:38.800
it up. But based on their actions, they're very pleased

848
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.880
with the Supreme Court decision.

849
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.079
Right, Well, I.

850
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.199
Don't know if they're pleased. We'll see. I mean, there's

851
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.840
talk they're going to do something they should. But what

852
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.599
Roberts did was just terrible. It was worse than any

853
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.639
of us expected. He and Cony Barrett and the liberals

854
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.079
on that court basically said that the Fourteenth Amen gives

855
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.760
Fourteenth Amendment gives constitutione U rights to those who come

856
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in the country illegally that their children will become citizens

857
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.880
and made it basically said it was constitutional. That means

858
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.400
it makes it very difficult for Congress to pass the

859
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.400
lall just to change it. And it was just a

860
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.239
terrible decision by the Roberts Court. And I mean we

861
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.079
didn't expect that. We thought at most they would say, well,

862
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.239
the law, it's up to Congress, they need to decide it.

863
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.039
We didn't think they were going to say there's a

864
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.840
constitutional right to come in a country illegally or overstate

865
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.960
a visa, are coming as a tourist and have a

866
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.480
kid and all of a sudden, the're US citizen. Clearly,

867
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.280
the writers and the framers of the fourteenth Amendment did

868
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:35.840
not mean that.

869
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.039
Yeah, I don't see how they came up with that

870
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.039
kind of twisted logic. It's almost to your point here,

871
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.239
and you know, quote, I mean, correct me if I'm

872
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.760
wrong here. It's almost like the Supreme Court created an

873
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.920
amendment on their own.

874
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:51.920
Yeah, he was.

875
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.920
He was citing English common law, the King's law right

876
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.320
before July fourth. It was basically it reminded me of

877
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:03.000
Roberts in the vomitacare where he invents us. Remember it

878
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.800
was an attacks and in this case the same thing

879
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.960
in that you know, the court was playing little or

880
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.079
playing like they were a legislature and just writing the

881
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.599
law on constitution on their own because they thought this

882
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.400
was fair. And I mean, if you read a lot

883
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.000
of his opinion, it's just grandiose language and it's just

884
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.320
it's an insult to the American people what they did.

885
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.719
It's almost typical of attorneys. In my experienced, Mike, I've

886
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.559
had to deal with a lot of attorneys over the years,

887
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.280
worked in an organization that we had to deal with.

888
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.480
You know, the legal documents that were put forth by attorneys.

889
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:39.559
I mean, the way they abused the language was it's

890
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.199
just unbelievable. You're going, I just don't want these people

891
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.000
teaching my kids English, you know, because they just make

892
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.800
up words and then they would put it on the

893
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.360
court reported, you know, make some intelligence out of it.

894
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.280
It's just it's no wonder that another attorney by the

895
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.280
name of Kamala Harris word salads her her expressions so

896
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.960
easily because issues had lots of practice. But that's a

897
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.199
whole another issue. But I do want to talk about

898
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:08.199
the latest grade cards that Numbers USA is presenting, and

899
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.519
you say they are flashing red, right.

900
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.000
Yeah, we've got Republicans are not doing well this Congress.

901
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.199
They started off great, they did. They passed the Lincoln Riley,

902
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.800
they did the one big beautiful bill that had border enforcement,

903
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.920
and since then we've actually been on defensive a lot

904
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:25.679
more than I would want. There was a bill that

905
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.920
was introduced by a Congressman from Pennsylvania, Gt. Thompson, for example,

906
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.639
and it's got forty Republicans Coastpotus sponsoring it.

907
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:34.559
And we give.

908
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.239
Amnesty to those who are illegal aliens who work on farms.

909
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.880
Those you love that precedent like no other industry will

910
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.119
come in behind that restaurant's hotels, and then it says,

911
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.320
if you're an legal alien work on a farm, you

912
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.920
can continue to work there as long as you stay

913
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.400
in act. So then it makes them indentured servants too.

914
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.440
So exactly right, this is the kind.

915
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.960
Of things that we're fighting against where we have Republicans

916
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.320
now that are introducing a lot of bad legislation, and

917
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.280
we have you know, over twenty Republicans that have a

918
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.920
D or an F in their amnesty grades.

919
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.599
When you look at them, yeah, I'm surprised in one

920
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.159
in particular as a California Congressman, Kevin Kylie, that shocked

921
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:17.280
me that he was siding with the amnesty proponents. You

922
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.039
know Salazar down in Miami, she's been talking about it

923
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.079
in terms of the dignity program and that sort of thing.

924
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.360
But look at you know, years ago, you go back

925
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.000
and I always say that when things are awry, you

926
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.599
got to go back and look and consider when it

927
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.079
was working. And when it was working, there was a

928
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.880
program called the Bressero program, and you know, migrant workers,

929
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.440
you know, could come in work the farms, make their money,

930
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:47.760
and then go home. That worked very effectively until somebody,

931
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.920
some genius there on the hill thought they had a

932
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.760
better idea, so they broke something that wasn't wasn't broken.

933
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.119
Yeah, we were for RAM.

934
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.960
Now it's called H two A and those for ag

935
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.239
workers and there. It's similar to that. It's a seasonal program.

936
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.280
They come up during a season and then they go

937
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.159
back and some of these bills, what they're trying to

938
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.960
do is make them year round programs. The problem if

939
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.039
you make it a year round program is and these

940
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.760
guys come up, they bring their kids, they bring their families.

941
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.320
Their families need someplace to live, they're gonna need hospitals

942
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.159
to go to, they're schools and all that. Every kid

943
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.519
they have will be a citizen now because a birthright citizenship,

944
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:32.119
and so you know, it's it's it's a difficult thing

945
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.039
and it's not what the program is intended to it.

946
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.960
You're you're exactly right that people there is an understanding

947
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.440
and numbers you just say, understands that farmers need people

948
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.280
extra banpower to come up. It's a long traditionist country

949
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.880
during a season. When you make them year round and

950
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.480
part of the labor force, so you're really adding a

951
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:51.599
bunch of additional problems, and you're dumping onto taxpayers that

952
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.840
problem right now. Right now, the farmers are responsible and

953
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.559
the HUA program to pay for their their housing, their

954
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.000
medical care, all of that. Well, it's a year round program.

955
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.000
They come up with kids everything else, it'll be on

956
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.239
the taxpayers these little towns to pay for it and

957
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.960
build extra schools, build on their hospitals all.

958
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.400
At Well, you guys ran the numbers. I mean, what

959
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.239
does it look like. I mean in terms of the

960
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.159
impact on the taxpayer, have you gotten it down to

961
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:14.800
that level?

962
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.320
Well, we think there's over six hundred thousand illegal aliens

963
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.639
working on farms right now. So if the bill like

964
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.320
that would give them amnesty, you're automatically over a half

965
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.159
million illegal aliens you're giving amnesty to right alone. And

966
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.480
then we know that these people, in spite of what

967
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.039
the argument is, they draw greatly on social services and

968
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.039
programs from state and federal government. So they are on net.

969
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:45.559
Drag right now. You know that is generally accepted, But

970
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.920
yet the Democrats and those that are proponents of this

971
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.039
program seem to ignore the obvious in light of all

972
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:57.119
the other expenses that the taxpayer has been incurring. I mean,

973
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.519
you've got some of these blue states, and not to

974
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.480
get over the political but let's just look at the

975
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:07.039
bottom line here. They're going bankrupt because of their sanctuary policies. Yeah.

976
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:11.159
Absolutely, I mean, not only is illegal immigration drag, but

977
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:13.880
we just had a study down to show that large

978
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.800
parts of the legal immigration system are a drag. So

979
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.760
for example, what we refer to as chain migration, Yes,

980
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.400
where somebody who comes in because they have a job

981
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.440
here and then they bring their extended family, well, their

982
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.119
extended family, like for example, their parents, end up being

983
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.159
a pretty big drag on the system because they use

984
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.519
more medical and social services and they usually don't pay

985
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.079
much back in. So even in our current legal system,

986
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.679
there's a lot of drag and people that take more

987
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.760
than they put back in, especially the case on illegal immigration.

988
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.280
If you don't believe me, just try to go to

989
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.400
in a sanctuary city, go to an emergency room.

990
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.199
All exactly, good luck.

991
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.599
It's not only the cost, but you may die waiting

992
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:53.079
to get help.

993
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.280
Yeah. I know it almost sounds cynical, but you know

994
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:02.679
this is the pay that the everyday taxpayer is realizing

995
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.400
in some of these states. I mean, forget about traveling

996
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.480
long distance to find something. I mean, this has been

997
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.159
created by their own governments. But the people need to

998
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.039
wake up, whether it's the cost of gasoline and everything

999
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.159
else that's associated with some of these policies, They've got

1000
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.199
to see who it is that's presenting them. And then meanwhile,

1001
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:25.719
you've got this hijacking of a party that really wants

1002
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.559
to turn itself into a Marxist organization where people don't

1003
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.599
own anything, and they've depressed wages and everything else to

1004
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.719
such a degree that you're sitting thereself. Well there's no

1005
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.679
way out, so I better count on them. Well good luck.

1006
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.239
I mean, history is loaded with not only anecdotal cases,

1007
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:48.039
but empirical evidence that this doesn't work, and what happens

1008
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.920
is welcome to the world of shared misery, right, Mike.

1009
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:52.639
Yeah, exactly right.

1010
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.599
And the last point the sanctuary said is it's not

1011
00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.119
only just the cost the taxpayer expense and the terrible system.

1012
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.000
The state of Maryland now, which is a sanctuary state,

1013
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.239
Verga has gone very radical left. And you know, I

1014
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.920
was talking to some of my friends and neighbors about

1015
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.199
I said, you know, the taxes are one thing, but

1016
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.639
the fact that my family or myself or my friends

1017
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.320
could get murdered by somebody who's an illegal alien that

1018
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.760
should have been deported. I mean, that's that's another thing.

1019
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.559
When they're putting in place policies that could you know

1020
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.480
that people are going to lose their lives over exactly.

1021
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:29.159
Well, Mike Cuff, where can the people go for more information?

1022
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.559
It always go to NumbersUSA dot org and you can

1023
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.039
look up your members. Great part, see where they're at.

1024
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.800
There's a nice map there. You can look at everybody

1025
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.199
in your state and if they got a bad grade,

1026
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:40.840
you know, you can post it on social media and

1027
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.800
give them a hard time. It works, I can tell you.

1028
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.559
I get US senators calling us upset that they have

1029
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.880
they outsaw a post on social media with their grade

1030
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.039
from Numbers USA. So always feel free to reach out

1031
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.519
to members, especially social media, because these members are on

1032
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.239
there and they want to know what people are saying

1033
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:55.760
about him.

1034
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.719
He's the co president of Numbers USA. Mike Cuff, Thank you, Mike,

1035
00:56:58.760 --> 00:56:59.760
take care. I have a great day.

1036
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:00.760
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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

1056
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.559
Well, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.

1057
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.880
Right now, Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell, senior fellow

1058
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.519
at the Discovery Institute and the author. Scott. How you

1059
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.000
doing about happy fourth of July.

1060
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.360
Yeah, I'm great, Bill, It's great to be with you again.

1061
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.760
Yeah. Always good to have you on, especially on days

1062
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:33.320
like this. Here the two hundred and fiftieth celebration continues,

1063
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.559
though the fourth is in the rear view mirror. But

1064
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.280
here we are looking forward. You know, we look back

1065
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.719
at two hundred and fifty, but now we look forward

1066
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.000
to you know, what does God have it, you know,

1067
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:46.159
in store for us next?

1068
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:46.440
Right?

1069
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.840
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I think that. You know, I would

1070
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:54.719
remind your audience that the fourth of July is one

1071
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.920
of the most amazing periods in human history. I'd call

1072
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:03.159
it a marker because prior to July fourth, prior to

1073
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:07.880
the declaration of independence, the world had never known a

1074
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:14.440
country wherein the people were sovereign, where the people had

1075
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:20.679
unalienable rights before God and that they and that these

1076
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:25.519
these rights, you know, couldn't be taken away by any

1077
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:30.679
state authority. That was never known before. All rights throughout

1078
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:35.199
history and every culture in every country had always been

1079
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.800
determined by the state. Their rights You have come from

1080
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.559
the state, and that's it. Well, yeah, I mean we

1081
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.320
were a revolutionary country from the right, from the very foundation.

1082
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:51.239
Most people failed to realize that, but that's what made

1083
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:57.480
that what is what made America great and unique and

1084
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:01.480
has you know, and propelled us becoming the you know,

1085
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:07.159
really the the strongest economy and the strongest military country

1086
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.880
in the world. Within about one hundred and twenty five

1087
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.199
years of the declaration of independence, our status is number

1088
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.719
one in the world was achieved.

1089
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:17.280
That is just incredible.

1090
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:24.119
Well yeah, and the thing is less people forget what

1091
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:27.760
was driving this, you know, clearly was the hand of God.

1092
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.679
I mean, because like you say, it's incredible. You know,

1093
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.239
some would use terms like miraculous, extraordinary, and of course

1094
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.079
you had our first president, George Washington's, you know, constantly

1095
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:44.079
referencing the hand of the divinity.

1096
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.559
Absolutely, you know, we have to remind ourselves that, you know,

1097
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:53.000
God's time is not our time. You know. We could

1098
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.679
really say that the beginning of the seeds for America

1099
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.800
were planted in the Protestant Reformation, which really empowered the

1100
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.239
people to have a direct relationship with God.

1101
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.599
Prior to that, of.

1102
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:10.159
Course, the Catholic Church really determined the relationship that people

1103
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.119
had with God. But the Protestant Revolution really brought about

1104
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:18.119
a fundamental change. It isn't that the Catholic tradition, you know,

1105
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:23.920
was deficient in many ways, it was excellent. But corruption

1106
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:28.360
tends to come into all institutions because of the fallen

1107
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.000
nature of man. So the Protestant Reformation, though, did a

1108
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:37.079
lot to establish a foundation where people were sovereign, that

1109
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:41.440
people could have a direct relationship with God. And indeed

1110
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:45.599
the founder has understood this. And you know, we have Washington,

1111
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.079
we had Adams, we had Madison, all saying the same

1112
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:56.119
thing that what came after the Declaration, of course, was

1113
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:01.639
the Constitution. And what they are related was that this

1114
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:06.199
constitution that was created after the Declaration of Independence was

1115
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.199
would be successful only if the people were virtuous, only

1116
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.119
if the people were a moral and religious people. That

1117
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:20.559
was essential to the success of the constitutional Republic of

1118
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.559
the United States. And we were that. We were those

1119
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:28.000
people for the most part, right up until the middle

1120
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.480
of the twentieth century. And it was in the middle

1121
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.840
of the twentieth century we began to drive God out

1122
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:35.920
of our culture, right, and we see the results and

1123
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:36.920
we see the results.

1124
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.599
Well, getting back to the beginning here, you got the

1125
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:44.480
Declaration of Independence, which was the what, and the Constitution

1126
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:45.920
became the how.

1127
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:51.760
Right, that's right, absolutely, bi, yes, Yes, the Declaration was

1128
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.760
really a visionary document.

1129
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.199
It was a you know, it was a.

1130
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:05.480
Fundamentally revelutionary visionary document about how you know, what God

1131
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:10.320
had in store for us if only we would live

1132
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:14.639
up to his principles. It did not articulate how government

1133
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:19.559
could do that, but it's of course. It was written

1134
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.119
in the first year of the War of Independence, the

1135
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:27.159
Revolutionary War. Washington was marshaling his troops to defend Manhattan,

1136
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:33.360
New York, when on July sixth a courier came riding

1137
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.840
into New York City, found Washington and said, sir, I

1138
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:41.239
have a document for you. Here it is, and Washington

1139
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:46.119
read the Declaration of Independence. He was so inspired by

1140
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.599
that document. He said, we're going to We're going to

1141
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:55.239
cease all our preparations here and we're gonna I'm going

1142
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.760
to read this document to you know, to all our

1143
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:03.559
people so that we can prepare our minds and hearts

1144
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.320
for what God has for us to do.

1145
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.199
Right, well, he can chilled the vision. I mean, you

1146
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.119
had a lot of emotions going around and and he

1147
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.320
brought it, you know, brought it to point, you know,

1148
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.000
because of this document. And this is what why the

1149
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:22.000
Declaration of Independence was so important in writing it out,

1150
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:26.480
because everybody could come up with their own narrative, but

1151
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.679
you had to bring it, bring it to point so

1152
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.480
that people could get behind it. And once that was articulated,

1153
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.679
it it just, you know, it united everybody because the

1154
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.039
vision was cast in a very clear way, wasn't it?

1155
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:41.639
Oh?

1156
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:43.000
Absolutely absolutely.

1157
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.679
And there's you know, there's a lot of history details,

1158
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.280
if you will, about the Declaration of Independence. For instance,

1159
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.039
the document that Washington received from the Courier had only

1160
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:57.280
two signatures on it. Didn't it didn't have the fifty

1161
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:58.199
six signatures.

1162
01:04:58.239 --> 01:04:59.039
And why is that?

1163
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:04.480
Because the founders understood that by signing the Declaration of Independence,

1164
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.199
they were, you know, they were basically signing their death

1165
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:11.320
warrants exactly. They were committing treason and treason was punishable

1166
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:14.039
by death, so they didn't they didn't want to reveal

1167
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:19.239
who all these revolutionaries were to the British. Still, many

1168
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:21.599
many of the founders did lose their lives, they lost

1169
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:26.679
their property, their families and so forth, but they didn't

1170
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.360
want to make that job any easier for the British.

1171
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:34.119
And so there's only two signatures on that document and

1172
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.679
the full declaration, the fully signed declaration with the fifty

1173
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:45.199
six signatures, wasn't released until about eight or nine months later,

1174
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:49.320
after Washington had a few victories under his belt at

1175
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.679
Trenton and Princeton, New Jersey. Because prior to that in

1176
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:56.599
New York, Washington was totally routed by the British in

1177
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:58.760
three different battles and he.

1178
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:00.880
Lost a lot of troops.

1179
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.840
So it was a point of real demoralization, uh for everyone.

1180
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:11.119
And but as God would have it, Uh, you know,

1181
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:13.800
Washington was in the right place the right time, on

1182
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.519
the banks of the of the Delaware River, right across

1183
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.719
from Trenton, about seven miles away, when one of his

1184
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.760
spies let him know that, Hey, in Trenton, you know

1185
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.320
you've got the You've got the Hessians all hold up

1186
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:35.280
over there, and and Washington, of course, the crafty stratisticians, uh,

1187
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:40.000
you know, strategy guy that he was. He said, the

1188
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:44.840
time to attack him is on Christmas. That's that's when

1189
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:49.199
we're going to make our strike, right and so and

1190
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.880
so it was, you know, in the in the wee

1191
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.840
hours of Christmas morning. Uh, you know, they crossed the

1192
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.960
Delaware and march to Trenton, and it was a it

1193
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.800
was a very swift victory where there were no casualties

1194
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We're talking with Scott Palace and your fellow the Discovery Institute.

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We're going to get in a little bit more of

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his book, which is a timeless book. Where did Rediscovering America?

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And I know a lot of people who had their

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hands on it, you know, read it over the holiday

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because you know, I think that maybe in light of

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you know, the soccer and the you know World Cup

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that's taking place scott Is. The Europeans are helping us

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remember how how wonderful this country is, aren't they?

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Absolutely? You know, it's just amazing how God's hand works

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in unexpected ways.

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We really have.

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Thought that soccer uh would do this uh at this time,

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but it's happening, and it's wonderful.

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On our two hundred and fiftieth birthday. I mean really,

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it's the Europeans are giving us a gift. And of

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course the gift that they're getting is they're coming here

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and they're uh finding out that air conditioning is plentiful,

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and and that stuff. What's that stuff in my drink?

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It's called ice? We like Oh I like ice. It's

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it's it's it's comical, but it's it's neat to you know,

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to appreciate their animation and appreciation for this country, whether

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it's Bucky's or in and out Burgers, or you know,

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they go into stores and they go, oh, my goodness,

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there's all this stuff that's here, you know, uh, in

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their home country. You know, you think that they're you know,

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talking about uh, you know, East Germany all over again

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or something. I know, I know it's it's really amazing,

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but but I think it's a it's an eye opener,

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and it could be an eye opener for the young

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people who have been indoctrinated sadly Scott with this anti

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American rhetoric, this idea that you know, which really it

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comes down to, you know, you and I've talked about

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whether it's pro American or anti American, but it goes

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a little bit deeper than that. It just yes, that's

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at the top. What people can see is that either

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you're pro American or you're anti American. But what's driving

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this whole narrative is you either are an oppressor or

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you're the oppressed. And so you know, anybody that's white

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and rich there in the oppressor class and everybody else

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is the oppressed. And so then you have goofy things

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that take place like what happened and you know in

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London here recently with that young man, that eighteen year

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old kid that died at the hands of a migrant

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there and the police came on the scene and their orientation,

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based on how they were indoctrinated, they defaulted to it

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01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.239
must be the white guy's fault. This young eighteen year

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old who was bleeding out, saying that he couldn't breathe,

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and they handcuff him and the guy who you know,

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kills him. The twenty I think he got twenty five

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years or something. He got a serious sentence that he

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should have. He was convicted, you know, he was left

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to kind of roam around until they finally got to it.

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But then it's too late, because this young man is dead.

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That's right.

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Well, we have to remember that if God's hand was

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on America from its beginning, God really raised up America

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for a great cause. Well, we're going to come under attack.

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We are in a spiritual war. The enemy wants to

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take America down. And that's why we've seen all this.

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You know, the whole Woke revolution really is just a

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manifestation of a spiritual battle against our country and against

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really the you know, the the Western world.

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I mean, well in particularly, I mean it's US and

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it's Israel. You know, yet they have a rise of

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anti Semitism to such a degree. And Scott, you know

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when you read the Book of Revelations, which we're all heading,

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I mean we're starting to live out those chapters, you know,

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the final days as Billy Graham said, the last of

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01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:32.640
the last days that we're in is that you don't

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see any definitive reference of America. And I think that

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one of the reasons possibly could be, is that America

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finds itself, you know, having too much distance from Israel,

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that were we we somehow do not hold to the

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alliance that we have previously held with Israel. And the

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Bible is clear, you know, God's made it clear said,

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look at those who bless you will be blessed. Those

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who curse you will be cursed.

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You know, Well, there's certainly, you know, there's certainly different views,

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you know about that.

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But I do think.

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That that you know, Israel has been a wonderful has

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been a great ally, and Israel is standing up for

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the values that Americans hold deer in the Middle East.

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It's the only country really in the Middle East that

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is a democratic country and gives people rights. I mean,

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people who live in Israel have most of the rights

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that we had, and they give those rights not only

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to the Jewish people, but to all people. To Arabs

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01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:38.439
who are living in Israel, they have the same rights

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right and so you know, in many ways Israel.

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Is it is a.

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Exemplary nation in the Middle East. But again it's the

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01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:53.840
same phenomena that those who are on God's side and

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01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:58.760
upholding God's values come under attack by Satanic forces.

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Right well, like you say, Western civilization has been under

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01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:07.520
attack since day one. That's just the nature of man.

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And then you have, of course, out of that, it's

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so galling to them that you have America that becomes

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the superpower in an extraordinary amount of time, Scott, This

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is unprecedented. So and the only way that could have

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happened is because of you know, divine investment. Absolutely absolutely

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01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:36.119
everything everything points to the hand of God, really right

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right exactly. So, So here we are today where you've got,

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you know, so many people, you know, we just celebrated

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fourth of July and our two fiftieth anniversary, which will continue.

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But you've got, excuse me, a growing number of Americans,

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particularly on the Democrat side, that really are not very

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patriotic at all. I mean, the polling's got it's disheartening

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01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.600
to think that people have just you know, turned their

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01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.319
back on this great American idea and they want to

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01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:15.000
replace it with something that historically has been an abject

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01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.800
failure and has caused more death than any other ism

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on the planet.

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01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:24.000
Well, you're absolutely right, and again we're reminded that the

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power of evil is great. And you know, from the

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very beginning, from the Garden of Eden, how did Satan operate.

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He deceived he deceived Eve, he deceived Adam. He's the

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01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.479
big deceiver, he's the big liar. And so these, you know,

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01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:44.159
woke communist ideologies are a manifestation of this same deception

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where people get deceived, they get brainwashed, and they turn

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against the very things that are good. You know, America

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is by and large a country that is exemplary in

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provid freedom and opportunity to its people. We're not perfect,

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and I mean, and I'm the first to criticize where

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where we're wrong. I mean, I think that it is

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quite alarming that, uh, you know, we have this disparity

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of wealth now where the power the powerful are getting

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more powerful, where wealth is being concentrated more and more.

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from the people. It's not a pie that's being divided

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up because it's a dynamic, growing economy, but the wealth.

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But the fact of the matter is that the wealthy

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are have more power, more wealth, and more power than

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ever before, and so we need uh, you know, we

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need a revival of the values that have made us great,

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01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:54.640
which is that we're all we all have equal value,

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01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.159
and we should have equal opportunity. So I would like

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01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:00.840
to see the federal government, you know, be more active

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01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:05.359
in in UH and trust law enforcement, you know, anti

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01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:10.319
trust law. There's many things we need to do, but certainly,

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01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:12.840
you know, at the at the at the ground floor level,

1435
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:16.760
we could start with giving a good education to our

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01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:20.640
kids in our public schools, our school our schools.

1437
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:23.960
Well, and we're spending a ton of money to render

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01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:29.479
this education that has become quite questionable and clearly evidenced

1439
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.880
and and put front and center. You know, after COVID's

1440
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.399
got we saw clearly what was happening in our classroom.

1441
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:40.439
Well COVID was you know, you know that that whole

1442
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:47.600
era was one big chapter of deception. And and I

1443
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.800
think people are figuring it out. I mean, I do

1444
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:53.079
think we're going to have election integrity this this year

1445
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.920
for the mid terms, because people are woken up.

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01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:59.039
You can't have the consent of the government if you

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01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:07.000
don't the governor's voice, and if you're you know, bluntening

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01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:12.199
with you know, ballot stuffing and you know illegal ballots

1449
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.479
and that sort of thing. You know, so this is

1450
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:17.880
all compromised. And I guess this is you know what

1451
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:19.800
I'm saying about the young kids, Scott, This is my

1452
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:24.079
observation is that these young kids who have been indoctrinate.

1453
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:27.159
I get that. And and like you said, what the

1454
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:31.000
deceiver does is he takes the legitimate and makes it illegitimate.

1455
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.159
He twists things right. And this is what these professors

1456
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:36.800
have done in these classrooms is they've taken a little

1457
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:38.680
bit of the evidence and they twisted it in such

1458
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.479
a way to use it against and really confused the

1459
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:44.359
kids all the more. But I say to them, you know,

1460
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:48.199
I think their observation in some ways is correct. Their

1461
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:52.600
conclusion is wrong in terms of thinking that socialism is

1462
01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:54.399
going to be, you know, it is going to solve

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01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:59.079
the problem. You know, it's big government has been the problem,

1464
01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.880
you know, going back to the annunciation of Ronald Reagan

1465
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:04.159
and even Bill Clinton.

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01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.680
Sure, absolutely big government is the problem.

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01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:09.239
And why is it the problem?

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01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:13.439
Because it concentrates power in a group of people. The

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01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:18.279
vision of the founders was that power would be from

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the people, that the people would be sovereign, and that

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01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:26.279
they would choose who would rule them, and that they

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01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.880
created a system of checks and balances and frequent elections.

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01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:32.319
I might add in other words, of American people have

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01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:36.279
the opportunity to vote the fraudsters and the charlatans out

1475
01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.239
every two years, and the legislature right every two years.

1476
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.279
And really the legislature has the most power in our

1477
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:46.159
three part system, right, they make the loss, they choose

1478
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.319
how the money is spent. So if American people would,

1479
01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.680
you know, would be engaged in understanding what's going on,

1480
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:56.920
they would vote the bums out every two years and

1481
01:23:57.399 --> 01:23:58.319
put in new blood.

1482
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:00.800
And we've got to make sure and we've got to

1483
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.560
make sure there's voting integrity.

1484
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.000
That's right, it's so imperative.

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01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:07.920
Absolutely well, we got to leave it there for now.

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01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:11.199
Scott pal Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute, author of

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01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:15.920
Rediscovering America. Scott as always appreciate the time. Happy two

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hundred and fiftieth birthday, my friend, Thank you, Bill, you too.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with doctor Wilfrid Riley.

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He needs to pre or political science at Kentucky State University. Hey, well,

1555
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.479
happy two hundred and fiftieth birthday, my friend.

1556
01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:09.199
Yeah, save to your happy happy post fourth Happy two

1557
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to fiftieth.

1558
01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:12.800
Yes, exactly. Yeah, two fifty. Oh run, Hey, we got

1559
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:14.359
to milk it for all we got. I mean, this

1560
01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:19.319
is the only time we'll ever celebrate it, and lucky

1561
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:23.520
us we're here to you know, see it first and ourselves.

1562
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.319
Yeah, it's definitely one of those big moments. I don't

1563
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know if I'll be around for the three hundredth I

1564
01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:32.439
guess statistically probably I'll be in the late eighties early now.

1565
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:33.840
I mean, so it's a different thing.

1566
01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:36.159
Yeah, well, I mean, hey, look at there was a

1567
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:39.279
veteran the other night. He wasn't sure he was going

1568
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:41.159
to be around. He's one hundred and seven years old.

1569
01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:45.000
He made it that long. So but what a great story.

1570
01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:47.279
And I don't know if you saw that picture or not,

1571
01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.119
but they had those World War Two vets that were

1572
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:55.520
facing the fireworks there in DC. Oh, what an iconic photo.

1573
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:56.840
That's just as awesome.

1574
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.439
Yeah, that's really cool. I mean, unless you openly dislike

1575
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:03.039
the country, like, moments like that are really positive. You

1576
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.560
get to see like the fighting men from four or

1577
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:09.039
five different wars hanging out together, and the as you know,

1578
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.840
horses and cheerleaders and so on go by in the street.

1579
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.039
Like I like America. So I enjoyed the love. We

1580
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.880
went to the local celebration, and obviously there's there's a

1581
01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:18.960
larger one in Louisville, and then a big one in Chicago,

1582
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:20.800
and then a giant one in d C. So I

1583
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:23.479
was glad to see that most cities, including a lot

1584
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:25.920
of blue cities that have sort of normal, kind of

1585
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:30.279
ethnic guy leaders as opposed to DSA sort of candidates,

1586
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:32.720
they all went in and did stuff for the fourth

1587
01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:35.039
So even though there was some fighting at the national level,

1588
01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:37.760
you definitely knew what was going on. You saw the planes.

1589
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:39.920
There were flybys all day in Chicago, DC.

1590
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.560
So yeah, exactly. Well, and the thing is is that,

1591
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:47.319
you know, in spite of that, and as divided as

1592
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:50.560
our country as I know, some people have commentated and said,

1593
01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:53.680
this is probably the most divided we've ever been. I'm going, well,

1594
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.319
you know, I think that if you remember the Civil War,

1595
01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.000
I wasn't there, but you know what I read about it,

1596
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:02.880
we were pretty well divided. We were able to overcome that.

1597
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:05.359
There's been times in our history when that's been the case.

1598
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.640
I think right now. I mean, there's some metrics that

1599
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.600
you look at that are concerning, especially I was looking

1600
01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.319
at one poll that said that forty six of Americans

1601
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:20.800
don't know US history, you know, And some people want

1602
01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:25.000
to be quick to blame you know, our US education,

1603
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.600
you know, for that. But I say, look at that

1604
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.319
starts at home, you know. You know, that sounds like

1605
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:35.319
a home problem more than it does a problem you

1606
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.520
know in the universities or in high schools. You know.

1607
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:41.319
Well, I think it's both. I mean, I think you

1608
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:43.279
and I have talked about this before, and I've done

1609
01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.560
some scholarly writing about it, actually some public intellectual writing.

1610
01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:51.159
But I mean, education in the United States really does

1611
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:54.600
focus from kind of a left wing perspective on very

1612
01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:59.039
specific things. So like there's the Civil War. There's the

1613
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.399
Civil rights move which was presented as kind of the

1614
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:04.279
new baptism of the country. That's when we became good.

1615
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.800
Everything before that was evil America. There's feminism. There's Vietnam

1616
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:12.560
because so many people in the generation before mine fought

1617
01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:15.680
in that war and it became a cultural touchstone. So

1618
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:19.119
I'm no senators on their lines, everybody knows. But what

1619
01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:22.520
that means is that most of the rest of history,

1620
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:25.880
like the conquest of the Great Planes, fighting the great

1621
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.960
Native tribes with honors on both sides, building the railroad,

1622
01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.840
air travel began in the USA, space travel that's not

1623
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:37.159
really emphasized. So yeah, I mean, like I think the

1624
01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.039
way I normally put this is all my students know

1625
01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:41.000
who Harriet Tubman is, but none of them know who

1626
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:43.720
Henry Ford is. Almost none of them. If you pull

1627
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:45.680
at the start of a class and you were to

1628
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:51.399
ask about Henry Ford, the Wright Brothers, Geronimo major figures,

1629
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:54.279
there'd be almost total ignorance at a pretty good state college.

1630
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:55.399
And I think that's pretty standard.

1631
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.479
Well, you know, I gotta tell you. Over the weekend,

1632
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:03.399
I started binging these called American Dynasty series and it

1633
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:07.039
talked about all these great inventors and you know, and

1634
01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:10.039
you know, one right after another, you know, Johnson and Johnson,

1635
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.760
you know, these these names that you hear about today,

1636
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:16.560
and but you you didn't understand, you know, you didn't

1637
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:20.439
learn about their early beginnings and how it you know,

1638
01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.720
how their organizations and their companies began, Carnegie and that

1639
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.600
what they were all about. But here they were there

1640
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:31.680
was just they were such giant figures that were you know,

1641
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.640
required at the time during the Industrial Revolution and the

1642
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:39.079
way America exploded, and I just look at it that

1643
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:41.039
you know, really by the hand of God, they were

1644
01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:44.800
chosen to be the ones to uh, you know, lead

1645
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.960
our country into these different areas of business.

1646
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.279
Yeah, I mean they're well, the Hindus say that there

1647
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:55.000
are four uh and there's point here, but there there

1648
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.359
are four casts of people. Basically, they're Brahmas, the scholars

1649
01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:01.680
and thinkers and so on. Tians. There are Shatria, which

1650
01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.560
is warriors and leaders Alexander the Great, and then there's Vasia,

1651
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:10.119
which is inventors, business people, crafts people, so on. And

1652
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.600
I think in our educational process we've almost forgotten that

1653
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:18.880
group and we're kind of moving away from the military

1654
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.319
history that I learned as a kid as well. So,

1655
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:22.920
I mean there are a lot of different ways to

1656
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.720
teach history. I mean, these are the great people in

1657
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:27.680
our society, and you bring them into different groups. There

1658
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.800
were notable farmers and craftsmen as well, Tiffany with his lamps,

1659
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.079
So you can do that. You can do the history

1660
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:35.560
of the battles that formed the country, or you can

1661
01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:38.000
do what we do now, which is kind of in

1662
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:41.680
the history of the small individual Howard Zenn kind of

1663
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:45.560
stuff where your concern is how women were treated at

1664
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:49.000
a certain point history, for example, And I suppose that's important,

1665
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:51.399
but I don't actually think that had as much to

1666
01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:56.680
do with forming America as you know Cornwallace surrendering in Yorktown.

1667
01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:59.800
So we're replacing one narrative of the country, like the

1668
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.920
great people did these things in this year, with another

1669
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:07.920
kind of more systematic narrative. And I don't like it. Yeah,

1670
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:09.359
but that's that's that's microtique.

1671
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:13.119
Well, what I see happening here is that and you

1672
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:16.000
and I've had this discussion. I think it's all gotten

1673
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:18.079
a little bit convoluted, as you said, and I agree

1674
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:21.840
with you that. And you know, history is being rewritten

1675
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:26.560
and it's put into categories and uh and political uh,

1676
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.720
you know, preferences and that sort of thing. And but

1677
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:34.119
what it all comes down to where we are today,

1678
01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:38.479
because I said, you know, to me, it's become either

1679
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:42.520
your American or anti American. But also along that vein,

1680
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:46.800
it's come down to either you're you're oppressed or you're

1681
01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:50.279
an oppressor. And when you start looking at things through

1682
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:55.239
that filter, my goodness, I mean, you really you put

1683
01:34:55.319 --> 01:35:01.359
yourself in a silo and mentally retard yourself because your

1684
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.479
perspective is greatly limited in my humble opinion.

1685
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:08.119
Yeah, no, I think that's correct. So what we're talking

1686
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:12.079
about here is what's called critical theory in academia. So

1687
01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.680
they're different models of history. We just went through a

1688
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:18.119
couple of them, like the ordinary man's history, people's history,

1689
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:22.680
what you could call great man theory, which is kind

1690
01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:25.000
of what I think that history is shaped by notable

1691
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:30.079
individuals Jesus, Genghis Khan, like different things happen if those

1692
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.399
guys don't existed, whatever you might think of that. But

1693
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:38.439
that's another model. The critical theoretical model is really popular

1694
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.039
on the left in the modern Western world, especially America,

1695
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.720
and the idea, which you just phrased really well is

1696
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:49.199
everyone falls into an oppressor or oppressed class. So history

1697
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:52.159
isn't the history of great people doing things, or even

1698
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:56.439
small people living day to day. It's the history of

1699
01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:59.359
how one group of people took power and held everybody

1700
01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:03.680
else down. So like in communism and Marxism without the

1701
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:06.479
full like fifteen minute speech, but it's the rich. Like

1702
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:09.680
society looks fair, but it's set up to benefit rich people.

1703
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:12.239
Every law is in fact made up by the rich

1704
01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.880
to steal from you property rights and if the rich

1705
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:18.199
weren't in charge and oppressing you, the rules would be

1706
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:22.399
totally different. Critical race theory, the rich guy is replaced

1707
01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:26.560
by the white guy. Feminism the rich guys replaced by

1708
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.640
just the guy. Men are evil. Marriage was designed entirely

1709
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:32.479
by men with no input from female nuns and so on,

1710
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:34.600
to give us as much sex as possible. That's an

1711
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:36.680
actual feminist theory. And I notice you, like every other

1712
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:39.640
married mamori line, what if you start chuckling a little bit?

1713
01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:42.399
Like you, you contribute nothing If it's happened for you,

1714
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:44.520
what you gotta work at it. But I mean, like

1715
01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:48.000
that's the idea of all these theories, and they're actually

1716
01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:53.600
this matters because they're downstream impacts of this. So like

1717
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.840
the the left wing position is really fascinating to me,

1718
01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:59.880
and to me almost an example of evil because they're

1719
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:03.600
argument would be if you're failing, that's somebody else's fault.

1720
01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.600
So when we see a criminal or a hobo, we

1721
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.239
don't punish that guy for putting up a tent on

1722
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:12.520
the street, go get a job. We instead look for

1723
01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:16.079
some hidden force that made him be a bump. And

1724
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:18.319
to me, that hidden force is just human nature or

1725
01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:21.359
drinking problem. There is nobody out there hiding in the

1726
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:24.359
woods oppressing you. But this is a very popular theory.

1727
01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.520
Well, you know, you hit on something that's really key here.

1728
01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:32.000
And my hope and prayer for all humanity, particularly year

1729
01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:36.319
in America, is that we would renew our minds with

1730
01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:41.000
this idea of self responsibility. I believe it's foundational to

1731
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:47.279
this great American experiment that without self responsibility, you know,

1732
01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:51.039
the idea of America being great because of its people,

1733
01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:55.800
which Tolkeville had talked about, would be pretty much nonexistent.

1734
01:37:55.920 --> 01:38:01.000
I think, yeah, there's there's a fascinating religon just conversation

1735
01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:03.479
about free will. I think it's Calvinists who believe that

1736
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.680
everything's predestined and you can sit around with a coffee

1737
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:08.000
or a beer and talk about this. But in practice,

1738
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:11.840
and yes, I don't agree with that either, But in practice, yeah,

1739
01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.880
the idea of the free willed individual has to predominate.

1740
01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:18.479
I mean, then this is Mert. Walsh has a great

1741
01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:21.760
rant about the insanity defense where he says, Okay, so

1742
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:24.640
if you're a normal person and you kill somebody, even

1743
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:27.159
if it's a cheating spouse, whatever, you're getting twenty plus

1744
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.239
years in jail because you killed somebody. It's sort of

1745
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:33.319
crazy that you can say, not only am I a murderer,

1746
01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:35.800
I have a mental problem that will make me murder

1747
01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.680
over and over again, and they have to let you go.

1748
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:44.960
So that's very non functional in practice. One quick line

1749
01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:48.199
about this Ian Rowe, the charter school executive who's a

1750
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:52.000
buddy of mine and African American gentleman. His argument is

1751
01:38:52.039 --> 01:38:55.119
that it's not the case that everyone starts from exactly

1752
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.159
the same starting line, that everyone has the same chances,

1753
01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:01.439
but that in America and other goods societies, everyone does

1754
01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:05.399
have agency, which means something like the ability to compete

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01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:09.640
under fair conditions. So like there's almost no one who's

1756
01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:13.439
not physically disabled or something who couldn't, you know, graduate

1757
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.279
from high school, join that man's army, stand there for

1758
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:20.000
four years, get out, go to state university, dental school,

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01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:23.600
perfectly nice life. You're a dentist, No one hates a

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01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:26.359
lot of people hate dentists, but you have a perfectly normal,

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mid upper middle class life. No one can't do that,

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And there's so many instances as well, will of people

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then he starts to talk to you, and it's like

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you see Et, you kind of like freak out, and

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then you realize, wait, there's there's some there's some agency,

1855
01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:18.800
there's some substance about this individual.

1856
01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:22.319
Or this character, right, Yeah, I mean I would say

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that if you're in that situation, you can either pretty

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early on embrace mental training and your faith, or you're

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very likely to join the alcoholism or suicide statistics. But

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the point is that you can do that. There's nothing

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really stopping you. And I mean I feel like I'm

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01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.199
almost being a little glow about that. Like would I

1863
01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:45.039
be as successful if I had no hands? You know,

1864
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:48.239
I mean from anything from playing with a basketball to

1865
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.159
writing with a pen. I don't know. I have a

1866
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:54.039
lot of admiration for that guy. But we do have

1867
01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:59.479
a system where most people can succeed because agency exists.

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01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.239
And an example of a system where you don't have that,

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you know, I praised the Indians before, but one of

1870
01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:07.920
the negative features the society is the cast system. So

1871
01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:10.439
in the West we used to have something very similar

1872
01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:12.800
as well. Like if your father was a blacksmith, you

1873
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:15.079
would be a blacksmith because you spent your entire life

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01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:17.760
training in a smithy. You didn't know how to ride

1875
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:19.800
a horse with a spear. You had a different job.

1876
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:24.600
So today that's not the case. If I grew tired

1877
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:29.960
of higher education, I could apply to jobs at sales, trading, advertising,

1878
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:32.880
just writing for national review or something. We have a

1879
01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:36.000
vastly open spectrum and I think that's all you can

1880
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:39.039
ask for, like a lot of fair chances, and then

1881
01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:43.039
if you fail, that's your fault. But the popular idea

1882
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:46.399
today is that it is someone else made that happen.

1883
01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:50.079
Like I'm technically black and native, so I have a

1884
01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:53.800
five percent higher average chance of failing. So there's always

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01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:57.640
that temptation of when you do fail, blaming the system

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01:45:57.680 --> 01:46:00.279
out there. The reality, though, is you have eighteen more

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01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:04.479
chances to succeed, get up, hopefully, kept some money in savings,

1888
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:06.079
you know, and just go on with your life.

1889
01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:08.640
You know, it's interesting because here in America we like

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to talk about fifty states all, you know, being laboratories

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01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:16.000
so to speak, that we can observe and experience and

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you know, even vicariously, but learn, you know, the mistakes

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01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.560
of other states and you know, make some adjustments. But

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01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:25.920
you know, now, because we're such a global society, you know,

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01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:28.439
we've got more than fifty. Yes, we have our fifty states,

1896
01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:30.600
but we got all these other countries that are doing

1897
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.920
gooseball things that are nonsensical, and you go, okay, note

1898
01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:35.600
to self, let's not be that stupid.

1899
01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.359
Yeah, I mean there's a lot there, Like I like

1900
01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:43.039
the Laboratories of Democracy model. There's some criticism of it.

1901
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:44.239
I mean, I think there are a lot of people

1902
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.479
on the right, including a lot of Trump guys, they

1903
01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:49.079
would prefer kind of a top down not not a

1904
01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:52.199
king or an imperial president, but a strong leader that says, okay,

1905
01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:55.640
San Francisco, you can't do this. There's certain things you

1906
01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.319
can't teach in the schools anywhere. I liked the idea

1907
01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:01.159
you can try something and see whether it works or not. So,

1908
01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:03.960
I mean, they're doing some interesting things with healthcare exchanges,

1909
01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:06.800
even religious healthcare in the South that are worth looking at.

1910
01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.279
You can also look at failures, right, I mean, so

1911
01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:15.239
I think it was Colorado that legalized marijuana, epedrine, mushrooms,

1912
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:19.039
a bunch of other stuff, Krayton, And I mean you

1913
01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:21.319
got to see whether, except for coc and harrow and

1914
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.359
whether legalizing drugs works, and I would say from the

1915
01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:28.359
data it doesn't. People seem to be high constantly. There's

1916
01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:31.479
an odor of that public places, but more importantly, like

1917
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:34.279
DUI's are up by a substantial about like more than

1918
01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:37.920
a quarter and it's impossible to tell when someone's on

1919
01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:41.600
say LSD or the strong strand of marijuana as versus alcohol.

1920
01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.920
You know, you're not swaying around. You just seem like

1921
01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:48.119
a goofy person, but you're behind the wheel of an suv.

1922
01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.880
So I mean, yeah, there's there are positives and negatives,

1923
01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:54.560
But I like the idea that you can learn from

1924
01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:55.760
other regions of the country.

1925
01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:56.239
Yet.

1926
01:47:56.439 --> 01:47:57.880
Yeah, but I would hope that at the end of

1927
01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:00.399
the day you run it through the matrix socaty am

1928
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:04.000
I more or less free as a result of that experiment.

1929
01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:08.560
Yeah, Well, it also depends on what you mean by free.

1930
01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:11.159
Like a Coloraden If you talk to people in Colorado

1931
01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.159
or California, they will say, well, we're very free. We

1932
01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:17.479
can have gay pride parades in the street. You can

1933
01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:22.359
be homeless here without being arrested. The major drugs are legal,

1934
01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:25.199
as they are in Amsterdam. You know, we allow a

1935
01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:28.039
great deal of public display. The problem with that is

1936
01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:29.800
that a lot of it starts, and this is where

1937
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:32.319
I am extremely conservative when it comes to crime, immigration,

1938
01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:34.880
so on. A lot of that starts to impinge on

1939
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:39.039
practical freedom for real people. So if you're a young mom,

1940
01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:41.359
can you really walk down a street that's full of

1941
01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:45.079
yapping prostitutes, Like, is there a certain level of crime

1942
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.840
where you're not free to take public transportation? Did you

1943
01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.239
see this debate on X the other day about whether

1944
01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:56.079
you would rather sit next to neo Nazis or crackheads

1945
01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:56.720
on the train?

1946
01:48:57.760 --> 01:48:58.840
No id seen, no one?

1947
01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:03.920
Okay, the Patriot Front, the card right march to the

1948
01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:06.600
guys that march and protest the government. There's a mini

1949
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.079
note that they all look like FBI agents, might be,

1950
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:12.479
might not be. But those guys got on the train

1951
01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:14.840
in DC because to travel in central DC you need

1952
01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:17.359
to take the train, And there were all these other

1953
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:20.560
just like DC types on the train, so arranging from

1954
01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:24.800
African American obvious drug addicts to looking politicians. So you

1955
01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:27.359
got to see this Monty Python style scene where you

1956
01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:29.800
had like the hard right voice their faces covered up,

1957
01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:32.680
sitting next to like bombs with their stuff and bags.

1958
01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:35.319
And so people started talking about this and saying, well,

1959
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:38.000
which of these would you most like to have living

1960
01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:40.000
next to you? And my response is just this is

1961
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.039
why I drive, Like looking at this picture, this is

1962
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.640
what I would do is go to the dealership. Right sure,

1963
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.279
My girls stuffs up to date. So I do think

1964
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.399
though banter aside, like if if you have issues like

1965
01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:54.359
that regularly, if they're homeless individuals living on the train,

1966
01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:57.760
you in fact have less freedom. So in the less line.

1967
01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:01.319
But I think there's a line between freedom license. I

1968
01:50:01.319 --> 01:50:03.880
think it was a Quinus that said that. So freedom

1969
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:07.479
is the ability to do those things you need to do,

1970
01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:10.319
or those things that will let you pursue a positive goal.

1971
01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:14.479
License is the ability to do anything. So I don't

1972
01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.960
actually know if I'm more free if I'm allowed to

1973
01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:20.439
use heroin. I'm an aggressive former athlete, I'm an addictive personality.

1974
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:23.039
Well it probably happened is that I've become hooked on heroin,

1975
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:25.079
and then I have no freedom at all. So the

1976
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.640
state can intervene and say, well, we understand that this

1977
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:31.640
actually destroys lives. We're gonna ban these drugs. We're gonna

1978
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.439
ban I would I think we should return to a

1979
01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:37.479
ban on prostitution. Looking at OnlyFans tax revenue last year,

1980
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.159
we're gonna take these things, We're gonna move them off

1981
01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:45.279
the table. Gambling would be another one. DraftKings sore. Where

1982
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.359
that balance lies is where the work of the government

1983
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:51.399
has to be done. How do you maximize, as you said,

1984
01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:55.199
actual freedom, actual positive outcomes for adults, and even as

1985
01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:58.199
a professional political analyst, that's surprisingly difficult.

1986
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.600
Yeah, and I see that it is. But I also

1987
01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:05.680
I think I lean more with a quitness because I

1988
01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:10.039
look at the individual. I you know, I want individual freedom.

1989
01:51:10.399 --> 01:51:14.239
If that is being promoted and protected, then I think

1990
01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:19.199
these other ancillary influences can be dealt with just by

1991
01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:23.119
a common sense because we'd say, no, I don't want

1992
01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:26.720
to go through a red light because I'll put myself

1993
01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.000
if I disobey a red light. I'm going to put

1994
01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:32.159
myself in danger, but I could hurt somebody else, right.

1995
01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.199
Yeah, well, I think that's a good that's a good

1996
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:37.880
example of what we're talking about. I mean, so obviously,

1997
01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:41.319
no one has the freedom to drive exactly as they

1998
01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:44.359
see fit. I mean, I already drive pretty fast, but

1999
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.399
I'd probably go one hundred ten miles an hour on

2000
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:50.399
average if I could do that without cops harassing me.

2001
01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:53.399
I don't think the state would view that is good.

2002
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:55.319
I actually am a good driver, but a lot of

2003
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:58.880
other youngish males aren't. You'd see reps.

2004
01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:03.199
By the side, older people married to politicians like Paul Pelosi.

2005
01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:06.479
He's a terrible driver. He and Tiger Woods they need

2006
01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:11.279
drivers for them. I think, well, I.

2007
01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:13.039
Mean that that is an illustration of if you're gonna

2008
01:52:13.039 --> 01:52:14.600
go to your club and you're gonna have five drinks

2009
01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:16.439
and you have Tiger Woods type of money. I mean,

2010
01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:19.199
like you someone a buddy will have the night day

2011
01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:22.920
of his life. Your driver. I mean, you're caddy. Someone

2012
01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.640
can take you home. You don't need to get in

2013
01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.800
the range rover and start swerving around the road. I mean,

2014
01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:29.640
I saw that video and it's just like, my god, man,

2015
01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:34.039
what are you doing? But yeah, there are obvious and

2016
01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:36.119
I think we both kind of worked around this point.

2017
01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:38.399
They are obvious restrictions and we placed on freedom. You

2018
01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:41.640
try to maximize freedom under those. But I will say

2019
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:45.920
that whenever people advocate for something that's probably going to

2020
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:49.319
produce a negative outcome, Like I have some OnlyFans girls

2021
01:52:49.399 --> 01:52:51.760
quote unquote that follow me on Twitter and debate feminism

2022
01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:53.880
and so on, and if you actually ask them, like

2023
01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:55.359
do you think you should be able to do some

2024
01:52:55.439 --> 01:52:58.399
of this, they'll probably say, well, I'm exercising my free will.

2025
01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:01.840
It doesn't matter whether you like it. I'm being me.

2026
01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:05.560
I'm doing what I want and I think you can say,

2027
01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:07.720
well if I if I think you're going to burn

2028
01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:09.920
out of this business in four years and cost society

2029
01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:11.479
a lot of money while you do it and recover

2030
01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:15.239
from it, I might vote for a restraint on that.

2031
01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.039
And that that's where we go to the voting booth

2032
01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:19.359
and say should you be able to do this? And

2033
01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:21.760
even even like if you buy beer on Sunday, like

2034
01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:24.279
spend one day sober with the family, you know, or

2035
01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:27.279
ye beer on Saturday, show your IQ, you know, those

2036
01:53:27.279 --> 01:53:31.760
are those are logical restrictions within society. There's always a

2037
01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:35.039
tension between the very puritanical that want to restrict everything

2038
01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:38.079
betting on poker in your house and then the people

2039
01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:42.720
that want to legalize everything imaginable. And I don't know

2040
01:53:42.720 --> 01:53:45.279
if there's again the golden mean is probably the best

2041
01:53:45.279 --> 01:53:47.600
way to look at that. The best the best society

2042
01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:49.680
is somewhere in the middle, right.

2043
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:52.760
And this is why we need to have conversations and

2044
01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:55.399
be able to talk with one another so that we

2045
01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:59.560
can uh, you know, debate these issues and work through them.

2046
01:54:00.279 --> 01:54:04.239
To me, that's the sign of a healthy society that

2047
01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:07.720
can deal with these dynamic tensions in a way to

2048
01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:11.119
where hey, look at we're doing less harm. I mean

2049
01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:13.079
we're gonna We're gonna do harm anyway. I mean, we're

2050
01:54:13.079 --> 01:54:16.840
just within our own natural humanity. We're such knuckleheads that

2051
01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:20.399
were nobody's perfect here, but we want to mitigate as

2052
01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:21.600
much harm as possible.

2053
01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:25.319
I would say, yeah, I think that's right. I mean,

2054
01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:30.239
so I used to refer to this as the greatest

2055
01:54:30.520 --> 01:54:34.000
short term and long term quantum of total happiness that

2056
01:54:34.039 --> 01:54:37.000
you can get to. That's the goal of life, and

2057
01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:39.399
that includes a lot of tough situations like would you

2058
01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:42.319
be willing to sacrifice your life to protect a wife

2059
01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:45.880
and two kids, for example? Yes, But I mean the

2060
01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:49.039
goal is the maximum amount of happiness. Happiness is the

2061
01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:53.920
reason you do other things. Almost always, the reason you

2062
01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:57.319
have a drink, or take a walk, or cut off

2063
01:54:57.319 --> 01:54:58.880
an argument with your wife is that you think the

2064
01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:01.880
result will be more positive than the absence of the result.

2065
01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:04.960
So if we say that's the goal, what what is

2066
01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:07.079
the thing that most gets you there? And obviously the

2067
01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.119
classic example of this is just greatest good for the

2068
01:55:09.159 --> 01:55:12.680
greatest number. And I don't think we've ever found a

2069
01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:16.079
better purpose for society. The problem is that you know,

2070
01:55:16.119 --> 01:55:18.800
while we're quoting the famous people, you know, Adam Smith

2071
01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:20.600
and a quietness, and I mean this is this is

2072
01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:24.760
Thomas Soul, Like, there are no solutions, they're only trade offs.

2073
01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:27.640
So of course, you want to feed everyone enough. You

2074
01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:30.840
want to make jobs available, have some very minimum baseline welfare.

2075
01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:32.960
You want to feed everyone enough that no one starves.

2076
01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:35.359
But once you do that, you're gonna have a problem

2077
01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:38.079
with obesity. If everyone can eat mostly as much as

2078
01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:41.199
they want, it's better, it's improved. But now, what do

2079
01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:43.199
you do about the problem of everyone being fat and

2080
01:55:43.279 --> 01:55:45.479
out of shape, including me often? You know, so you

2081
01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:49.840
have to Society has to keep moving to adjust to

2082
01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:50.600
new threats.

2083
01:55:51.479 --> 01:55:53.880
Well, and part of the reason, you know that we're

2084
01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:57.319
designed in a way to get hungry, you know, to

2085
01:55:57.399 --> 01:56:01.600
experience hunger, is so that we'll do some thing about it. Again,

2086
01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:06.399
in terms of self responsibility, that we will not count

2087
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:09.119
on somebody else giving us a fish, but that we

2088
01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:11.880
ourselves will go out and fish to feed ourselves and

2089
01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:12.640
our families.

2090
01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:13.920
Yeah.

2091
01:56:13.960 --> 01:56:17.640
Absolutely, But that's another basic point that one of the

2092
01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:21.359
issues with society is that humans haven't changed much since

2093
01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:24.359
we were, you know, out there killing Neanderthals. I mean, like,

2094
01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:26.680
how do you know when you need food, well, because

2095
01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.279
you feel hunger in your stomach. How do you know

2096
01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:31.279
when you're interested in some of the opposite sex. They're

2097
01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:33.159
quite visceral physical reactions.

2098
01:56:33.239 --> 01:56:33.439
You know.

2099
01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:36.119
Do we feel anger at about the same level that

2100
01:56:36.159 --> 01:56:38.479
we ever did according to a recent English study, I mean,

2101
01:56:38.840 --> 01:56:41.119
Americans are still pretty good with our arms or some

2102
01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.520
of the more aggressive people on the planet. So how

2103
01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:48.359
do you take these creatures that developed to be in

2104
01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:51.279
a particular set of situations, and for example the ancient

2105
01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:55.439
Middle East? There you're in a community of thousands, everyone's

2106
01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:57.359
related to one another. How do you take those people

2107
01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:00.720
and put them in Houston, Texas and make things work?

2108
01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.800
And that's the question of society. And there are questions

2109
01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:06.600
that go along with that, like redistribution. You and I

2110
01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:09.399
might kind of gripe about that as reasonably well off

2111
01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:12.760
conservative guys, But every society has the question of how

2112
01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:15.039
much do you take from the producers and give to

2113
01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:18.199
the takers? And there's a tendency to say, well, nothing,

2114
01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:22.119
But I mean the taker group would include children, disabled, veterans,

2115
01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:24.720
people you hate to describe even in that fashion. So

2116
01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:26.159
you do have to make a decision. I mean, the

2117
01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:30.359
biblical type thing. Ten percent generally the interpretation. You know

2118
01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:32.800
the first taxes, and you know if you look at

2119
01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:35.119
England or something or along the same level. We're a

2120
01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:38.319
bit beyond that now. But that's the first question of society,

2121
01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:39.600
and the second is keeping the peace.

2122
01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:42.960
Well, we'll leave it there for now. Good fun as always.

2123
01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:46.640
Doctor Wilfrid Riley, Professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University,

2124
01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:49.680
is the author of two great books, Taboo, Ten Facts

2125
01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:52.399
You Can Talk About and Lies My liberal teacher taught me.

2126
01:57:52.479 --> 01:57:53.720
Thank you, will take care.

2127
01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:54.680
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2128
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