July 15, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 07 15 26

The Bill Martinez Show 07 15 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 07 15 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live a program

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about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, glad, you can join us Bill Martinez along with

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Barry maguire. He's back with this has been a minute

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or two. Hey, Barry, how you been.

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Just right? I mean, every day's adventure, you know. And

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we're having the time of Karen and I having timer

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lives right now. That's the best time of life ever.

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Whoever thought that life began at ad Yeah.

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And here it is, Berry, I mean our two hundred

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and fiftieth birthday of this great country of ours. And

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I mean, you know, I know we're going to talk

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about our our us. When we say soccer, they say football,

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some say tomato, say tomato. But you know, it's just

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been all this coming together has just just been a

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great time in season to live in, right.

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It has been. And I tell you that the whole

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day of the weekend, but with the whole day of

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the fourth and I mean fireworks never brought tears in

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my eyes before. With those fireworks. You got a hand

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it to the guy.

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He pulled out well, and the thing is too Barry

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I mean when you and I were growing up, I

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mean we had little sparklers. You might have some, you know,

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you might have a couple of you know, some serious

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explosives here and there, but nothing like what the drones

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are doing now right.

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It's just it's just unbelievable. And I must say, our president,

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I think God's putting there. I think he's doing great things.

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But his ego just drives me crazy. And he gave

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a great speech and it was all about us, and

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I got that. That was that was it. He talked

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about us, our roots, our character, God providing for us.

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It's it's just it was a brilliant speech and a

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great evening and a great tribute. I mean, it's what

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an amazing privilege we had alive at this moment in time,

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particularly spiritually. I mean, I think the Lord's any day now,

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so soon.

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And very soon. I'm with you, Barry. I mean, I

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keep reminding people as Billy Graham before he passed away,

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you know, he was asked by one reporter says, well,

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you know, doctor Graham, you know, are we living in

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the last days? He goes, oh, these are the last

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of the last days.

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Yeah, I think AI is really proving it Ai is

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not in Bible scripture, in prophecy, and Bible's prophecy is

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complete in every way. And battle already still seven years

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away from when we're gone.

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That's right exactly here.

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So we're will I be in seven years and so

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you have to back that up to today. You got

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to say, we're right at the customer. That's all going

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to take place. So we treated like and I think

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it's the way every Christian should be right now. And

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you and I are very sensitive to this. We're on

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the same page.

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Right.

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My picture is the last lap in the Olympics when

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they're in the arena and they call it the gun lap, right, yes,

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and you hear the gun that echoes to the stadium

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and the TV cameras go down to the front runners

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and and it's a beautiful thing to see as they're

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grimacing and they're just they're just gonna do everything they

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can do in that gold. And that's where we need

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to be right now. It's it's it's we're in the

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gun lap. Yeah, we have everything we can to get

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as many people in have it as we can before

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the trumpet sounds and it's over. We're in this last lap,

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and we can't. We can't waste it. It's it's it's

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get off the bench, folks. If you're not doing it,

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we hope that we can encourage you to do that

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right in the next two moments.

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Well, and again, you know, we need to be reminded

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of what, what and who blessed us with this great

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American idea. I mean, this is the hand of God. Clearly. Now,

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it doesn't mean that America will always be just because

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it has been. Because you mentioned revelations. We don't see

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America in the Book of Revelations. And also we see

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where Israel, where the Bible says, look at if whoever

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blesses you, I will bless whoever curses you will will

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be cursed. Right, and so in those final days, in

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those final days, Israel is standing by themselves.

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Happened before very eyes, is it, Bill? Just yeah, it's

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it's unbelievable that is actually happening in the church in

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do you and I both have respected Yes, I mean,

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but it is biblicult, it is by old prophecy, and

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so it's it's it's back to this. You know, when

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you see these things begin to happen as bad as

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they are. When you see these things begin to happen,

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lift up your heads and rejoice.

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Right exactly, well, you lift you lift your head because

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you want to reorient yourself with the truth of God.

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Am I connected to the truth of God? Am I

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connected to the buying? Or have I bought into the

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narrative of the day? And I'm being fooled and bewildered.

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Yes, and that vine folks, if you haven't figured that out,

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But it's very clear in the number of scriptures. But

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we're the branches, we're out the tree. But he bears

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fruit through us. That's new Christians. Yes, that's new Christians.

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In fifty eleven he says, when you bear fruit, ah,

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then I'm with you. Yes, and my joy be with you.

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Your joy will before you would have in spite of

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all the bad stuff. We all have it. You know,

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you can have joy every day, uninterrupted joy every day

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if your focus every day is living for His purpose

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and not your purpose.

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Right exactly, it's my purpose.

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He didn't have a purpose for you, folks, He doesn't.

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He has a plan for you fulfill his purpose. Well

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what's his purpose? Oh yeah, it's the seek and save

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the lost? Oh yeah, In Romans Day twenty eight, he says,

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I'll make everything in your life work for good if

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you love me and live your life for my purpose

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to seek and save the loss. So the one thing

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that we don't want to do share our faith. But

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I don't want to do that. I'm not gifted, I

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don't have the person. We have all these excuses, there's

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no excuse, folks. But when you do that, you step

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into his promise. I'm making everything work for good. And

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with eighty percent of Christians now living in fear, the

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statistics are pretty clear on that, folks. When you when

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you're living in fear, you're telling God, I don't trust

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you God.

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That's right.

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And if you're living in fear, you can't you can't

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share your faith. It's a thunderum, right. But when you

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share your faith, you immediately for that moment, you step

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into the arena where God is orchestrating your steps and

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making every day an exciting day. I mean, we've already

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prayed this morder to God, who thank you for the

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heal you're going to bring into their life. You already

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know the conversations we're going to be having today. You've

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those and just help us to be aware of them

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and watch for them. And and you know, our ministry

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theme is move everybody that one person day, I mean,

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find one person a day to share your faith with. Okay,

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well let's see of all the people that are going

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to hell. I'm gonna be around all these people go

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to hell. How do I pick one? And how do

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I pick the right one? And then if I picked

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that one, at nine o'clock, am I off the clock

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for the rest? Move everybody? And that keeps you in

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the game. Folks, when you're doing that, I mean, I'm

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a normal guy. I built a rather large business with this.

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By doing this business was by God. God's my God,

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and I was doing it. My business was my platform

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ready by pulpit, but it was in the board meetings,

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in the sales calls. It didn't matter if they're voting

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with me or voting gets to me a tournyment doesn't matter.

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My goal is to move those people closer to Jesus.

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And even when I got turned down in sales calls,

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I walked away excited because I knew I just knew

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that person closer to Jesus. That's right, exactly, Folks, funded

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the logic. That means I'm living for God's purpose. So

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even though I got turned down there, I know God's

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going to make it for good. Yeah, that's a great

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place to live. That is total f it's freedom.

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Well exactly because it's not on you, Barry. This is

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God's responsibility. This is the Holy Spirit. He says, he

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sends forth his word and it will not come back void.

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So I mean, hey, do I want my word to

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go out there that is a human failing and human

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limitation or would I much rather plug into the power

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of God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth.

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I'll choose God and.

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The hardest of hearts. It doesn't return more. They can't

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get away from the back because that was speaking through

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you to them. I don't care quite right, Karen, and

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I know you know the story. We've been sharing our

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faith every day. We just figured out if this is

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our fiftieth year, we've been sharing our faith all day,

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every day and cool and even if the person doesn't

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look like they really receive it, they can't get away

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from it. Yeah, because God just spoke to them at

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the very least, they can't get away having that. A

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Christian just loved on them, Yes exactly, But quite frankly,

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I've never had I was asked yesterday in a program,

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what do you do when they revile you and they

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come against you and they yell what you And I said,

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I in fifty years, I've never had that. That's that

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possible because I had that? Why I don't want you

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have that? I said, you know, if you want to

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offend somebody, they'll offend you back. If you attack somebody,

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are you going to hell? Have you accepted? But if

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you Jesus said, and this changed our whole life fifty

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years ago. Just sometimes scripture just bounced off the page

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as you've read forever, but said you, how do we

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share O faith? And it's send all the points in

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the memorization?

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Yeah, right exactly.

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You know, he says, they'll know you're right, disciple by

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your love.

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Yeah exactly.

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We can all love on people. It's so easy. And

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you know what, it's easy to love of people that

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don't look like us. Yeah, that are different ethnicities that

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have the piercings of the tattoos, because quite frankly, they're

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hurting the most and the need of love, and you

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and I have an advantage but I look at myself.

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They think I'm a I'm a pressure. I'm an old

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white guy a pressure. So I love on them. They

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don't know what to do with me.

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Yeah, right exactly. That's not what I understood, and that's

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what I love Barry. Sometimes when people go, I misunderstood you.

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Talking with Berry McGuire, the world famous found our resident

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and America dot Com is his website. He serves as

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a third generation President McGuire's car Watch. He's been on before.

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We've talked about his book and his background and everything

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like that. And I mean, he he has such a

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big smile for a reason, and that's because Jesus is

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in his heart, and he realized that Jesus is all

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the difference because, as you say, Barry, you know, Jesus

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gives us the contrast. The contrast is that light against

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the darkness. It is that truth that's undeniable. And as

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you say, when you come into people who are holding

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onto a lie and you bring the truth, now they

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may walk away stubborn, but that truth sticks on him.

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It does get away from it. It's much fun. And

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you know, folks, all things work together for good, even

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in the bad times. And we lost a forty nine

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year old daughter bad time. It wasn't good for me.

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Yeah, oh my god.

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So you know what, Twenty three thousand people have watched

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the video of Nicole Maguire's celebration of life on YouTube.

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We had a salvation message. Hundreds of people say because

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of her passing. She said, Heaven, she's having fun. You know,

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I was dying in the hospital and I said, God,

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if I die, I go die, try to lead as

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many people to you as I can. At the end

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of that day, I told you this before, but there

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was twenty three different doctors and nurses that I minister

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to h during that two and a half weeks at

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the hospital. But they don't expect you to praise God

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and be happy to have joy when things are bad.

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Last night we all watched that soccer game and it

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was heartbreaking our guys. Wasn't not one of their best games.

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They're better than what they played last night. It wasn't

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exactly clearly what they do at the end, and you

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will keep watching it.

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Yeah, they were praying.

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I took a picture of it. It says four to

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one loss and there they are circle and they're praying. Yeah,

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in prayer. I hope they didn't just pray before. I

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hope they pray now. And there they were all holding

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hands and praying and thanking God. I thought, that's that's

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what loving the Lord is all about. Because our testimonies, folks,

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are stronger when we're in trouble. If you're in for veil,

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if you have cancer, if you have you just like

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I don't care what it is. This is the time

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to let your light shine because people don't exactly Your

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testimony right now is more powerful than ever before when

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you express joy and peace, And how can you do

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that because you know, when you honor him, when you're

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looking for his purpose, he can say the loss and

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move people closer to Jesus. He's gonna make it okay,

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he's just right, or he's gonna make it work good

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for good. So when you know that, you can got

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to laugh even in the you know, the final word.

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The Guid's in charge. He's going to take care of

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it and use this for his glory. That's a fun way.

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Let's freedom, it's.

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Folks, really exactly. That comes from God and only from God,

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not from government. We know that. And you know, Berry,

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as you were saying, you know, you said early on,

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you know because some people you and I have been

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in business all our lives, and you know, some people say, well,

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you guys have been salesman, you're salesman. You just naturally

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do this and that kind of thing. And then you

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get the people say, look at I don't know how to,

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I don't know how to you know, win souls to

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Christ and all that, and I encourage him and say,

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look at, you know, to me, one of my favorite

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testimonies in the Bible is the blind man. He wasn't

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you know, it wasn't highly educated. All he was is,

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He says, all I know is I'm blind now, I see.

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That's all I know.

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What a powerful testimony? And and what did the Bible

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say about how we bring people into the kingdom. It

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is by our testimony and the blood of the Lamb,

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which means that God has done his part. It's up

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to us just to say, hey, I'm not a genius here.

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All I know is I was a messed up knucklehead

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before and then I met Jesus. And I mean, you

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think I'm bad now you should have known me before, right.

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Oh, I love your heart. We we somehow the churches

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see getting people raise their hands and scept the Lord

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as the finish line, and it's not the start line.

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In fact, Romans ten nine says, when you believe your

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heart and you confess with your mouth, it's confession that

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makes it real. And folks, this is what life saw.

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You know.

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It's the one mandate for Genesis, the revelationship. Why is

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he mandated you share your faith? Do you know it's

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for you? It's secondarily for the loss. It is in

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Isaiah forty three ten. Write this down. If you don't

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write any of the scripture down, write this scripture down

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Isaiah forty three. Ten. Let's say it the Lord, I

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point you as my witness, so that you will believe.

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I would say so if they'll believe, he says, so

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you'll believe this word gets really excited. What was he

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saying here? Because when you're sharing scripture, when you're sharing

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your faith, God's way, not where you're educated, but just

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you just do it by loving on people. Here's how

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the flow. I give it to you sixty seconds. It

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happens one thousand percent every time I know it for

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fifty years, multiple times to day. It always happened His way.

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You love on people. Just love on people. Let them

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know you're a Christian in some non defensive way. You

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might say, oh, that mustn't made God cry, that must

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have made God laugh, or boy, God saved your baby.

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Some way that you could just put God in the conversation.

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Once they know you're Christian, that changes things for them.

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They're not offended with now they know. And within five minutes, folks,

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I guarantee you, within five minutes, they will open up

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and they'll share an insight into their life. It may

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just be a well God could ever love you, whatever

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it is, and here's the best part of all. You

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can't prepare for these conversations. They happen through four or

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five times a day in the line of Starbucks, wherever

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they happen, and they bring that up. And when you

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don't have the words, God gives you the words every

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single time. In fact, it's promised in Luke twelve twelve

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the horse will give you the words to say when

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you need them exactly for natural And all of a

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sudden you're quoting a scripture you haven't thought of for years,

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and you're quoting for Batim, and the person is changing

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in front of you, and all say. You realize, at

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that moment there's no other way in life and human exists,

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you can have this. All of a sudden, you realize

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you're right where God wants you at that moment, that

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he's he he or he organized the conversation. Exactly give

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me the words to say. The person next in front

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of you is changing. That's that's intimacy with God, exactly

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oneness with God. This is what lifetime. It's the one

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thing Satan can't let you do. He's stopping you from

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doing that. Fear. That's that's from the Satan. That's his

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number one wupping against us as Christians is fear, and

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we can overcome fear easy when we know we're living

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for His purpose, not our purpose. Folks, I'm not a fanatic.

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I love I love the soccer game last night. I'm

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a Dodger fan. I'm going Saturday night. I love good food.

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I'm a beach wem. I'm a car guy, and I

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hate by the way. I built a global business doing this,

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so I'm not I'm not wacko. But it's all temporary.

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And then it's all a pellette where I live. I

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use it all of my pulpit for opportunities to walk

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around and just move everybody around. Crolsure to Jesus. And

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then when you're doing that, it's the interfere. It's the

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beginning of joy. Every day, peace exactly to your steps,

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answer to your prayers. I mean what I'm doing this,

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it's so simple.

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Right exactly, you know. And Isaiah. The verse in Isaiah

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reminds me again of what God said that it's better

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to give than receive. Right. So here you are, you're

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giving of the blessing that God has given you, and

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you freely release it and it goes forward and then

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what what what kind of joy does that bring to you?

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Because you've released that wonderful gift that God has given you.

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Right, Okay, So that's why I wrote a book entitled

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Ignite Your Life Shameless quick. I don't make it money

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of the book, but Ignite your Life Amazon bestseller, by

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the way, But it's fifty years of talk about most

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important it's the scriptures in this book. My surge is

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really how I use those scriptures in everyday life. But

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the point is that you're making and it's true when

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you have that conversation with someone. I was just with

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a Southwest agent. He's checking me in and give me

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my tickets, and we're ministering to him. One thing led

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to another, and he says, and there's a big line

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behind it, says, can I walk you to your gate? What?

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Can I walk you the what? Yeah? Sure? So he

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sets sounds a computer, takes Karen's bag, and he takes

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us to us say what is going on here? So

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we're sharing, we're taking advantage of the moment, both of them.

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Sure, exactly.

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He's emotional and we look at him and say, by

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the way, it looks like you'd like to know more

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about God. Boy, do I ever we have these cards, folks.

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Of course you can get these off our website.

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I love that God.

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Yes you can. We'll send these to you free charge.

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That doesn't mention our ministry. There's no sign into just puremids,

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but we tell them you're going to love this site

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seeking god dot org. That'll tell you everything you need

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to know about God, how much he loves you, he

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made you, he loves you, never leaves you once you

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spend atturney with him. They'll take this card to say

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I can get all that off this website. Really, And

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by the way, there's probably thirty percent of us right

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now listening. You're not here by accent that are not saved. Yeah,

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and speaking to you, it's not by accent. You're watching

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us right now.

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That's right exactly.

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And if you go to seeking good dot org, you

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don't need Bill or me or a pastor anybody. You

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can make this decision on your own. But anyway, we

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give these out. So guess what happened At that point,

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he's so emotioned. I said, can we pray for you?

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He said, yes.

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I'm talking about a very handsome, tall black guy about

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twenty eight years of age. Okay, can you picture this

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guy with two old folk around him, and the Holy

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Spirit came on us and it was one of those moments.

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It was just you know, now, picture I've thought of

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it later or just just before you go into clear

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and saying all that stuff. The crowd, we're right now,

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people all around us, and there's us.

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And they're all watching what's going on there.

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Which is a testimony exactly so. But at the end,

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he says, by the way I took I took a

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picture of your license, I mean, no, your ticket. I said,

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you took a picture of why'd you do that? He says, Well,

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I want to remember your name? And I didn't know

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what to say. He says, I'm going to remember this

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conversation the rest of my life.

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Wow, Wow, what a blessing. Yeah.

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Do you think that didn't ignite my life?

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I did?

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Well, very have that every day throughout the day. And

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then you never have bad days. I don't care what

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it's even more opportunitisy because people don't extect you to

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smile and bad things are happening to you. But you know,

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God's in it, and he's going to use it for

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good Man. That horrible thing, whatever it is, to lead

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people to him, that's what amen.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with the one and

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only Field Past go tvv's man in Washington. Mister, well,

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how we doing.

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I'm doing fine, build, but apparently not as good as

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you are.

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Well Aloha, Yes, you know the six hour time changes is.

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It's always interesting, but for whatever reason, it's been a

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particular challenge this year. I don't know why, because sometimes

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when it'll knock me out balances when you know, because

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Hawaii doesn't change times, they stay the same, right, So

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there's half the year they're on five hour cycle and

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the other half they're on six. Right now they're on six.

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So usually usually I get tripped up when it's on five.

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But you know, right now, it's I'm just I'm a

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hot mess.

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Well I hope you're enjoying being a hot mess.

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I am from that standpoint, I am. It's just great

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with the grandkids, and our daughter just celebrated her birthday,

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and it's just, you know, timing has just been been terrific.

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And I got two other granddaughters on o wahuu right

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now going to school, and I sent them a message saying, hey,

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look at you need to hop skip and a jump

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over here and see your grandfather, you know, So hopefully

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we can get that in. But anyway, I did want

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to first of all talk about, you know, our condolences

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and sadness for one Lindsay Graham. Uh, you know, I

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gotta I'm I gotta say this. I am ashamed of

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the Left that the way they've attacked this poor man.

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Look at. I get it that you may not agree

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with his policies and that, but they they've attacked him

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in a way that's just it's uncivil, it's Unamerican, the

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way they've attacked him.

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You know, Lindsay Graham was was literally the last of

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a dying breed. There there is a there is a

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school of thought that politics is about civility. I think

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he was. He was an exemplar of that right.

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You know.

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He he was famously part of the Three Amigos, which

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he would when whenever somebody referred to him and Senator

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John McCain of Arizona and Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut,

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the three of them formed this group that somebody nicknamed

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them the Three Amigas, and he would always wisecrack a

641
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terrible movie. Great group, but terrible movie. But you know,

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you stop and think about the three of them, they

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were all mavericks. He is the only one of the

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three who actually stayed inside the party system and worked

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with the party as we think of partisan politicians doing.

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John McCain famously ran as a maverick against his party.

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Joe Lieberman, even worse, actually lost his party's nomination when

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he ran for reelection in two thousand and six, lost

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the nomination in the primary, and then decided, you know what,

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under Connecticut law, there's no law that says I can't

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run in the general election as an independent. So he

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did that, and he defeated the Democratic nominee who defeated

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him for the nomination. Ned Lamont, a rather imposing figure

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in Connecticut politics, later got elected governor a couple time.

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So all three of them were willing to stand up

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for values that they believed in, and they all three

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shared a commitment to America's role in the world. They

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had a different view of what America's role in the

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world was to what you find today in either the

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Democratic Party or exactly the new Republican Party. The Donald

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00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.960
Trump dominated Trump Republican Party doesn't see America's role in

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the world the same way that McCain and Lieberman and

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sadly Lindsey Graham did. So it's going to be very

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interesting for me to see how does this play out.

665
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For instance, I think it's very clear to say it's

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very proper to say that Lindsay Graham was Ukraine's best

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friend in the United States Senate. Is the reason that

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us AID was not cut off to Ukraine when a

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new administration led by Donald Trump came to power populated

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by people who didn't think much of Ukraine and who

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were not very happy with Ukraine. And there were moves

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a year and a half ago right as the administration

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took over to almost totally zero out US funding for

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Ukraine's effort to defend itself against Russia. Lindsey Graham is

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one of the reasons that that didn't happen entirely. And

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in fact, if you've paid attention over the last couple

677
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of months, as Ukraine's war against Russia has now turned

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around pivoted, it turns out that Ukraine is ingenious when

679
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it comes to developing drones. And now we understand battlefield

680
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robots that are actually going out and retrieving wounded soldiers

681
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who have been hiding from Russian drones. I mean, this

682
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is the most extraordinary account of warfare taking place that

683
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we've ever seen. And now President Trump has almost turned

684
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one hundred and eighty degrees on Ukraine. He wants to

685
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license the ability for Ukraine to manufacture the patriot defense

686
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.719
system missiles that they so desperately need, but which we

687
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don't have enough of. So Ukraine is now going to

688
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start building patriot systems. Goodness gracious, who would have predicted

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that a year and a half ago. But that's all

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been made possible by Lindsey Graham. And now he's no

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longer there. He's not going to be there to whisper

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in President Trump's here and I.

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Think tells me he will still have an echo in

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that administration.

695
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I mean, yes, he will.

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This was his last trip, right, I mean he was

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just in Ukraine.

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That's right, That's right. He was in Ukraine on Friday morning.

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He returned home. He had a conversation with President Trump

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at about six thirty on Saturday, and literally hours later

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was when he was he was struck by whatever it

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was that started it. We understand it was an an

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aortic rupture that ended up killing him. Right, But you're right,

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he will echo with President Trump. There's already talked. There

705
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was a Russia sanctions bill. That's what he was talking

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with President Trump about that. He wanted to move legislation

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that would allow the president to sanction countries that bought

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Russian oil. Is it is Russia? You know, somebody said

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a long time ago that Russia is really it's a

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gas station with nuclear mystically, right, It's got natural resources.

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It's a massive country. Keep in mind this is you know,

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we think we're a big country because we have a

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continent that spans three time zones. Russia spans eight time zones.

714
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.719
It's one sixth of the land mass of the Earth.

715
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.960
Is the country of Russia. So they got immense natural

716
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.719
resources and that's the only thing that's fueling the war effort.

717
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.480
So if you can cut off Russia's ability to sell oil,

718
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.159
then you can really, you can really do damage to

719
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.880
Putin's effort to pay for the war effort against you

720
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.079
crane soon.

721
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.719
Or I wonder, and you wonder if President she is

722
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.800
going to back off, because he already has kind of

723
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.760
backed off with the straight of Horn moves, and you know,

724
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.760
so would he take the next step when it comes

725
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.599
to Russia, because he's been, you know, hip, you know,

726
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.440
joined at the hip with Russia all along.

727
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.840
Well, you know, they've been talking about building a second

728
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.599
pipeline to take Russian oil directly to China, and the

729
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.360
idea from Russia's side, the idea was We're going to

730
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.320
get the Chinese to pay for it. And the Chinese

731
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.480
diplomats who were conducting the negotiations over how are we

732
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.719
going to do this, they have apparently I just read

733
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.480
it this morning. They have apparently informed the Russian side

734
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.679
that China expects to pay no more for Russian oil

735
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.920
than what Russia charges its own people. Okay, so Russia

736
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.079
apparently had a two tiered system where they they charge

737
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.960
their their their own people one level that's lower, and

738
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.519
then they charge foreigners more for the same China say no, no, no,

739
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.760
We're going to pay exactly the same price you charge

740
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.000
your own people, and don't bother coming back to us

741
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.960
until you've agreed to that term. We have no reason

742
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.920
to negotiate with you any further until you accede to

743
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.079
that point. So it's very clear you're exactly right, President

744
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.559
g In. China is kind of pulling away, you know.

745
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.800
I think fifteen years ago he looked at Putin a

746
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.719
different way than he looks at Putin now. Now, Putin

747
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:32.280
is clearly the subordinate member of that duo. He's almost

748
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:39.199
robbin to Batman, looking up for guidance, and hopefully he's

749
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.320
hoping that China will bail him out. I don't think

750
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:42.480
I don't think China is.

751
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.800
Going to do that. Yeah, China's got its own problems

752
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.519
right now. Yes, by the way, about a minute left here,

753
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:53.559
Congress in session. I mean, the hourglass is turned upside

754
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:58.119
down and the sand is scampering through these final minutes

755
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.519
of this session. Bill, and we still have serious business pending.

756
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:03.400
What's going to happen.

757
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:07.280
Hey, we've got twenty two legislative days before the election.

758
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:11.000
We've got six legislative days left before the August recess.

759
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:15.119
The House is hoping to move a skinny budget resolution

760
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.719
that would pay for about seventy billion dollars in supplemental

761
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.800
funding for the Pentagon, about twenty billion dollars for agriculture needs.

762
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.519
They're going to attach the Save America Act to it

763
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.960
push it through the House. The idea is, let's get

764
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.000
that through the Budget Committee on Thursday, and then let's

765
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.719
bring it to the floor of the House next week

766
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.199
so that we get that wrapped up before the August recess.

767
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.400
The Senate will deal with it when they come back

768
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.519
from the August recess. You know what I'm wondering is

769
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:44.400
what's going to happen to the three hundred and fifty

770
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.280
billion dollars from Pentagon funding that the White House had

771
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.039
requested originally be part of this reconciliation bill. But now

772
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.840
they recognize that there's no way to do a bill

773
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.599
that big without finding a way to offset the spending. Right,

774
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.559
You've got conservatives and House led by Chip Roy, who

775
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.440
say we're not just going to borrow this money. Anymore,

776
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.440
we have to pay for it. If we're going to

777
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.960
spend three hundred and fifty billion dollars on defense, then

778
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.119
we got to save three hundred and fifty billion dollars

779
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.880
from some other place in the budget. And the leadership

780
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.199
looked at it and said, you know what, we can't

781
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.880
come up with that, So we can't do the three

782
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:19.440
hundred and fifty billion dollar defense.

783
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.000
How about how about if you passed legislation and allow

784
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.119
me to capture tariff money.

785
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.320
Boy, that'd be nice. We've just had a judge, you know,

786
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.880
because of the because the rulings earlier this year, including

787
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.280
by the Supreme Court, saying the president didn't have the

788
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.679
power to use that particular law to collect those tariffs.

789
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.480
I just saw that eighty one billion dollars has just

790
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.719
been refunded by the federal government to people who paid

791
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.360
the tariff that they shouldn't have had to pay. If

792
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.880
they can use the right law, there's some money that

793
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.880
can be captured right there. There's an offset, there's a

794
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.719
way to pay for the defense spending. You're right. Look,

795
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.760
the federal government spends way too much money. That's the

796
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.760
big problem. It's not just the tax burden it's the

797
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.159
spending burden, because so sooner or later, somebody's got to

798
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.400
pay for it. Either you pay for it in taxes now,

799
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.000
or you pay for it by paying back the loan.

800
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.960
That's what US bonds are. We're borrowing money from people.

801
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.440
We're borrowing two trillion dollars a year now. This is

802
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.079
an ungodly amount of money that we are burdening future

803
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.599
generations with. Hey, you and I are part of the

804
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.480
generation that has enjoyed all this government spending for the

805
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.000
last forty years that we've been building up. This thirty

806
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.119
eight now thirty nine trillion dollars in debt. Frankly, it's unconscionable.

807
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.360
I'm embarrassed to be part of the generation that enjoyed

808
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.320
services but wasn't willing to pay for it.

809
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.079
I'm not sure we enjoyed it, Bill, I think it

810
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.480
was just shove down our throats. Yeah, and politicians got

811
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.719
reelected because of it. By and large, that's my humble

812
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.679
opinion on it. We got to leave it there. Bill

813
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Pasco's always appreciate the time and insight. Uh be well,

814
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my friend, take care gutspeed, Bill pascober D Party, Tea Party,

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Bill Martinez here with the co president of Numbers USA,

891
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my cup. Hey, Mike, good morning to you. I'm going

892
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.360
to say alone, I'm rather casual here on the on

893
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.760
the island of Maui with the grandkids, so we're having

894
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.679
a good time. But thanks for thanks for adjusting your schedule.

895
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.360
We're only six hours behind.

896
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.719
And here in the swamp of DC. I'm envious of

897
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.159
you out there in Hawaii.

898
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.440
Well, I'm praying for you, you know, for all that

899
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.480
you're having to go through. I mean, this has been

900
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.960
an incredible couple of days since the weekend the passing

901
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.960
of Lindsey Graham. I imagine, you know, heads are still spinning.

902
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.679
Although the Left can't help themselves. I mean, the guys

903
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.639
barely at the corner's office and they're already taking shots

904
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.920
at in I'll tell you, the lack of civility and respect,

905
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:01.039
and they they can't stop themselves. And it's like, you know,

906
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:04.320
I got to think, Mike, that the majority of American

907
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.480
people and for me, and you know, we traveled these

908
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.360
past several days, you know, coming to Hawaii, I don't

909
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.679
might read of everyday people, you know, across the country,

910
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.159
and even here in a democratic controlled state like Hawaii,

911
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.679
people are pretty fair minded and reasonable. Yeah, I would agree.

912
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:24.400
I would agree with that.

913
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.480
You know, especially on social media, you get sort of

914
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.199
the most rabbit ten percent of folks a lot of

915
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.960
times the most outspoken, and they're not representative of a

916
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.840
lot of the views of average Americans and everyday Americans.

917
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.840
And on Lindsey Graham, I could just say the couple

918
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:41.719
times I got to meet with him and work with him,

919
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.000
he was always a gentleman, always very nice, very funny guy.

920
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.719
And for Numbers USA, you know, he was a couple

921
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.639
of years ago he was you know, Amnesty Gang of Eight.

922
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.199
But over this last Congress, he was one of the

923
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.199
best members that we had. He sponsored the birthright Citizenship

924
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.000
resolution for US. We were working on the other policies,

925
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.760
and a lot of the border funding in the one

926
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.400
big beautiful bill would not have happened about Lindsay Graham.

927
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.800
Lindsay Krant Graham is the Budget Chair, and when others

928
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.920
didn't want to do it, he pushed it forward. He

929
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.599
was champion against sanctuary cities, so he really though over

930
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.119
this last year and the Trump administration got a lot

931
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.599
of funding for border enforcement and got ice refunded and

932
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.320
all that. So he really was a champion for border

933
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.079
enforcement and did a great job as Congress for Numbers USA.

934
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:30.079
Well, Numbers USA has great cards out and they're flashing

935
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:31.760
red and we're gonna talk about that in just a second,

936
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.480
but before we do, you brought up birthright citizenship and

937
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.480
that issue that still continues where America is still scratching

938
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.480
their head going what the heck happened? And then some

939
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.079
of us thought, well, maybe, just maybe Congress might pick

940
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.800
it up. But based on their actions, they're very pleased

941
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:51.880
with the Supreme Court decision.

942
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.880
Right, Well, I don't know if they're pleased.

943
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.079
We'll see, I mean there's talk they're going to do

944
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.559
something they should, But what Roberts did was Joe terrible.

945
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.239
It was worse than any of us expected. He and

946
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.440
Cony Barrett and the liberals on that court basically said

947
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:11.840
that the Fourteenth event gives Fourteenth Amendment gives constitutional rights

948
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.360
to those who come in the country illegally that their

949
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.119
children will become citizens and made it basically said it

950
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.199
was constitutional. That means it makes it very difficult for

951
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.480
Congress to pass the lall just to change it. And

952
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.559
it was just a terrible decision by the Roberts Court.

953
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:29.280
And I mean, we.

954
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:30.239
Didn't expect that.

955
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.480
We thought at most they would say, well the law,

956
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.320
it's up to Congress, they need to decide. If we

957
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.599
didn't think they were going to say there's a constitutional

958
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.320
right to come into country illegally or overstate a visa,

959
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:41.199
are coming as a tourist and have a kid, and

960
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.199
all of a sudden they're US citizen. Clearly, the writers

961
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.960
and the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not mean that.

962
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.039
Yeah, I don't see how they came up with that

963
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.039
kind of twisted logic. It's almost to your point here,

964
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.760
and you know, quote me, correct me, if I'm wrong here,

965
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.920
it's almost like the Supreme Court created in on their own.

966
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.639
Yeah, he was citing English common law, the King's law

967
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:10.199
right before July fourth. It was basically it reminded me

968
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.280
of Robert's decision in the Obomacare where he invented that.

969
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:14.239
I remember it was in.

970
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.000
The tax and in this case the same thing in that.

971
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:20.360
You know, the court was playing little or playing like

972
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.400
they were a legislature and just writing the law and

973
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.360
constitution on their own because.

974
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:25.119
They thought this was fair.

975
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:27.039
And I mean, if you read a lot of his opinion,

976
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.960
it's just grandiose language and it's just it's an insult

977
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:31.760
to the American people.

978
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:32.280
What they did.

979
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.679
It's almost typical of attorneys. In my experienced, Mike, I've

980
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:37.559
had to deal with a lot of attorneys over the years,

981
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:41.239
worked in an organization that we had to deal with.

982
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.360
You know, the legal documents that were put forth by attorneys,

983
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.519
I mean, the way they abused the language was it's

984
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.159
just unbelievable. You're going, I just don't want these people

985
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.960
teaching my kids English, you know, because they just make

986
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.800
up words and then they would put it on the

987
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:03.119
court reported, you know, make some intelligence out of it.

988
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.559
It's no wonder that another attorney by the name of

989
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:11.280
Kamala Harris word salads her expressions so easily because she's

990
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.800
had lots of practice. But that's a whole other issue.

991
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.320
But I do want to talk about the latest grade

992
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.960
cards that Numbers USA is presenting. And you say they

993
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:21.000
are flashing red.

994
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:26.000
Right, Yeah, we've got Republicans are not doing well this Congress.

995
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.159
They started off great, they passed to the Lincoln Riley,

996
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.800
they did the one big beautiful bill that had border enforcement,

997
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.880
and since then we've actually been on defensive a lot

998
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.679
more than I would want. There was a bill that

999
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.880
was introduced by a Congressman from Pennsylvania, G. T. Thompson,

1000
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.599
for example, and it's got forty Republicans coast Bodice sponsoring it.

1001
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:45.599
And we give.

1002
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:49.239
Amnesty to those who are illegal aliens who work on farms.

1003
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:50.000
Those you love.

1004
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.440
That precedent like no other industry will come in behind

1005
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:53.920
that restaurant's hotels.

1006
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.880
And then it says, if you're an legal alien work on.

1007
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.360
A farm, you can continue to work there as long

1008
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.639
as you stay in So then it makes them indentured

1009
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:02.400
servants too.

1010
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.039
So exactly right, this is the.

1011
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.119
Kind of things that we're fighting against, where we have

1012
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.960
Republicans now that are introducing a lot of bad legislation,

1013
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.199
and we have you know, over twenty Republicans that have

1014
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.880
a D or an F in their amnesty grades.

1015
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:17.679
When you look at.

1016
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.239
Them, yeah, I'm surprised in one in particular, as a

1017
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:24.199
California Congressman, Kevin Kylie, that that shocked me that he

1018
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:29.280
was siding with the amnesty proponents. You know Salazar down

1019
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.079
in Miami, she's been talking about it in terms of

1020
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:35.000
the dignity program and that sort of thing. But look

1021
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.880
at you know, years ago, you go back, and I

1022
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.320
always say that when things are awry, you've got to

1023
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.199
go back and look and consider when it was working.

1024
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.760
And when it was working, there was a program called

1025
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:50.800
the Brassero program, and you know, migrant workers, you know,

1026
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.519
could come in work the farms, make their money, and

1027
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:58.920
then go home. That worked very effectively until somebody, some

1028
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:02.639
genius there on the hill thought they had a better idea,

1029
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.719
so they broke something that wasn't wasn't broken.

1030
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.960
Yeah, and we have a program now it's called H

1031
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.360
two A visas and those for agworkers and there it's

1032
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.679
similar to that it's a seasonal program. They come up

1033
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.360
during a season and then they go back and.

1034
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.440
Some of these bills, what they're trying to do is

1035
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.039
make them year round programs.

1036
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.280
The problem if you make it a year round program

1037
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.639
is and these guys come up, they bring their kids,

1038
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.360
they bring their families. Their families need someplace to live,

1039
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:33.039
they're gonna need hospitals to go to, they're schools and

1040
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.719
all that. Every kid they have would be a citizen

1041
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.039
now because a birthright.

1042
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.599
Citizenship, and so.

1043
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.440
You know, it's it's it's a difficult thing and it's

1044
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.480
not what the program is intended to it. You're you're

1045
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.320
exactly right that people there is an understanding and numbers

1046
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.440
you just say, understands that farmers need people extravanpower to

1047
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.239
come up. It's a long traditionist country during a season.

1048
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:56.199
When you make them year round and part of the

1049
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.840
labor force, so you're really adding a bunch of additional problems,

1050
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.480
and you're dumping onto taxpayers that problem right now, Right now,

1051
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.960
the farmers are responsible. I'm in the HTA program to

1052
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.639
pay for their housing, their medical care, all of that.

1053
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:10.960
Well, it's a year round program.

1054
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.000
They come up with kids, everything else it'll be on

1055
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.199
the taxpayers these little towns to pay for it.

1056
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.880
And build extra schools, build on their hospitals all.

1057
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.360
At Well, you guys ran the numbers. I mean, what

1058
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.199
does it look like. I mean, in terms of the

1059
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.119
impact on the taxpayer, have you gotten it down to

1060
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:25.960
that level?

1061
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.280
Well, we think there's over six hundred thousand illegal aliens

1062
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.599
working on farms right now. So if a bill like

1063
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.280
that would give them amnesty, you're automatically over a half

1064
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.119
million illegal aliens you're giving amnesty to right alone. And

1065
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.440
then we know that these people, in spite of what

1066
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:46.000
the argument is, they draw greatly on social services and

1067
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:50.400
programs from state and federal government, so they are on

1068
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.920
net drag right now.

1069
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.920
You know that is generally accepted. But yet the Democrats

1070
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.480
and those that are proponents of this program seem to

1071
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.360
ignore the obvious in light of all the other expenses

1072
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.519
that the taxpayer has been incurring. I mean, you've got

1073
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.559
some of these blue states, and not to get overly political,

1074
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.800
but let's just look at the bottom line here, they're

1075
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:18.039
going bankrupt because of their sanctuary policies. Yeah.

1076
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:22.119
Absolutely, I mean, not only is illegal immigration drag, but

1077
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.840
we just had a study done to show that large

1078
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.800
parts of the legal immigration system are a drag. So,

1079
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.800
for example, what we refer to as chain migration is

1080
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.360
where somebody who comes in because they have a job

1081
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.400
here and then they bring their extended family, well, their

1082
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.079
extended family, like for example, their parents, end up being

1083
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.119
a pretty big drag on the system because they use

1084
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.519
more medical and social services and they usually don't pay

1085
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.039
much back in. So even in our current legal system,

1086
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.679
there's a lot of drag and people that take more

1087
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.719
than they put back in, especially the case on illegal immigration.

1088
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:56.280
If you don't believe me, just try to go to

1089
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.679
in a sanctuary city, go to an emergency.

1090
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.960
Room, all exactly good life, and it's not.

1091
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.000
Only the cost, but you may die waiting get help.

1092
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.280
Yeah. I know it almost sounds cynical, but you know

1093
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.679
this is the pain that the everyday taxpayer is realizing

1094
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.360
in some of these states. I mean, forget about traveling

1095
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.400
long distance to find something. I mean, this has been

1096
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.119
created by their own governments. But the people need to

1097
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:25.000
wake up. Whether it's the cost of gasoline and everything

1098
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.199
else that's associated with some of these policies, They've got

1099
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.199
to see who it is that's presenting them. And then meanwhile,

1100
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.719
you've got this hijacking of a party that really wants

1101
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:41.679
to turn itself into a Marxist organization where people don't

1102
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.599
own anything, and they've depressed wages and everything else to

1103
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.719
such a degree that you're sitting thereself, well there's no

1104
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:50.639
way out, so I better count on them. Well, good luck.

1105
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.039
I mean history is loaded with, you know, not only

1106
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.280
anecdotal cases, but empirical evidence that this doesn't work, and

1107
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.880
what happens is welcome to the world of shared misery, right, Mike.

1108
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:03.599
Yeah, exactly right.

1109
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.800
And the last point in the sanctuary cities, it's only

1110
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:10.280
just the cost of the taxpayer expense and the terrible system.

1111
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.119
I live in the state of Maryland now, which is

1112
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.719
a sanctuary state. Veriga has gone very radical left, and

1113
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.719
you know, I was talking to some of my friends

1114
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.239
and neighbors about I said, you know, the taxes are

1115
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.960
one thing. But the fact that my family or myself

1116
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.360
or my friends whould get murdered by somebody who's an

1117
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.599
illegal alien that should have been deported, I mean, that's

1118
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.480
that's another thing. When they're putting in place policies that

1119
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.400
could you know that people are going to lose their lives.

1120
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.320
Over exactly well, my cuff. Where can the people go

1121
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.119
for more information?

1122
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.559
It always go to NumbersUSA dot org and you can

1123
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.960
look up your members, great part, see where they're at.

1124
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.840
There's a nice map there. You can look at everybody

1125
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.159
in your state and if they got a bad grade,

1126
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:51.760
you know, you can post it on social media and

1127
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:52.480
give them a hard time.

1128
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:53.719
It works. I can tell you.

1129
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.519
I get US senators calling us upset that they have

1130
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.000
they outsawid post on social media with their grade from

1131
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.440
Numbers USA. Though, always feel free to reach out to members,

1132
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.000
especially social media, because these members are on there and

1133
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.719
they want to know what people are saying about him.

1134
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.719
He's the co president of Numbers USA. Mike CoV. Thank you, Mike,

1135
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.760
take care. I have a great day, thanks Phil.

1136
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.559
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Eight hundred six nine oh three five eight, eight hundred

1154
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.800
six nine nine oh three five eight eight hundred six

1155
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.239
nine nine oh three five eight. That's eight hundred six

1156
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:15.119
nine nine zero three fifty eight.

1157
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.840
Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

1158
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.960
Well, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour,

1159
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:28.039
right now, Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell, a senior

1160
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.920
fellow at the Discovery Institute and the author Scott, How

1161
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.400
you doing about it? Happy fourth of July.

1162
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:34.159
Yeah, I'm great, Bill.

1163
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:35.800
It's great to be with you again.

1164
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.199
Yeah. Always good to have you on, especially on days

1165
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.800
like this. Here the two hundred and fiftieth celebration continues,

1166
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.960
though the fourth is in the rear view mirror. But

1167
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:50.719
here we are looking forward. You know, we look back

1168
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.159
at two hundred and fifty, but now we look forward

1169
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.400
to you know, what does God have it? You know

1170
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.800
in store for us next.

1171
01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:01.000
Right, Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I think that, you know, I

1172
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.960
would remind your audience that the fourth of July is

1173
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.480
one of the most amazing periods in human history.

1174
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:13.119
I'd call it a marker because prior to July fourth,

1175
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.760
prior to the declaration of independence, the world had never

1176
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:24.960
known a country wherein the people were sovereign, where the people.

1177
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:30.400
Had unalienable rights before God, and that they and that

1178
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.599
these these rights, you know, couldn't be taken away by

1179
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:40.480
any state authority. That was never known before. All rights

1180
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:45.440
throughout history and every culture in every country had always

1181
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.039
been determined by the state. Whatever rights you have come

1182
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:53.159
from the state, and that's it. Well, yeah, I mean

1183
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.960
we were a revolutionary country from the right, from the

1184
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.159
very foundation. Most people failed to realize that, but that's

1185
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.960
what made that what is what made America great and

1186
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.960
unique and has you know, and propelled us to becoming

1187
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:15.920
the you know, really the the strongest economy and the

1188
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:19.960
strongest military country in the world. Within about one hundred

1189
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.679
and twenty five years of the declaration of independence, our

1190
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.119
status is number one in the world was achieved.

1191
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:27.679
That is just incredible.

1192
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.920
Well, yeah, I and the thing is less people forget

1193
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what was driving this, you know, clearly was the hand

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of God. I mean, because like you say, it's incredible.

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You know, some would use terms like miraculous, extraordinary. And

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of course you had our first president, George Washington's, you know,

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constantly referencing the hand of the divinity. Absolutely.

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You know, we have to remind ourselves that, you know,

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God's time is not our time. You know, we could

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really say that the beginning of the seeds for America

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were planted in the Protestant Reformation, which really empowered the

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people to have a direct relationship with God. Prior to that,

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of course, the Catholic Church really determined the relationship that

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people had with God. But the Protestant Revolution really brought

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about a fundamental change. It isn't that the Catholic tradition,

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you know, was deficient in many ways, it was excellent,

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but corruption tends to come into all institutions because of

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the fallen nature of man. So the Protestant Reformation, though,

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did a lot to establish a foundation where people were

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sovereign that people could have a direct relationship with God.

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01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.840
And indeed the founder has understood this, and you know,

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01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:00.679
we have Washington, we had Adams we had Madison all

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saying the same thing that what came after the Declaration,

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01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:11.119
of course, was the Constitution. And what they articulated was

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that this constitution that was created after the Declaration of

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01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:22.280
Independence was would be successful only if the people were virtuous,

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only if the people were a moral and religious people.

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That was essential to the success of the constitutional Republic

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of the United States.

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And we were that.

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We were those people for the most part right up

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until the middle of the twentieth century. And it was

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01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.400
in the middle of the twentieth century we began to

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drive God out of our culture, right, and we see

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01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.320
the results. We see the results.

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Well, getting back to the beginning here, you got the

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Declaration of Independence, which was the what, and the Constitution

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became the how.

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Right, that's right, absolutely, bi, yes, yes, the Declaration was

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really a visionary document. It was a you know, it

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was a fundamentally revolutionary visionary document about how, you know,

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what God had in store for us if only we

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would live up to his principles. It did not articulate

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how government could do that, but it's of course it

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was written in the first year of the War of Independence,

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01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:37.599
the Revolutionary War. Washington was marshaling his troops to defend Manhattan,

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01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:43.800
New York, when on July sixth, a courier came riding

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into New York City found Washington and said, sir, I

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have a document for you. Here it is, and Washington

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01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.559
read the Declaration of Independence. He was so inspired by

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that document. He said, we're going to We're going to

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cease all our preparations here and and we're gonna, uh,

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01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:07.679
I'm going to read this document to you know, to

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all our people so that we can prepare our minds

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01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.760
and hearts for what God has for us to do.

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Right, well, he can chilled the vision. I mean, you

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had a lot of emotions going around and and he

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01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.719
brought it, you know, brought it to point, you know,

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because of this document. And this is what why the

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01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:32.440
Declaration of Independence was so important in writing it out,

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because everybody could come up with their own narrative, but

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you had to bring it, bring it to point so

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that people could get behind it. And once that was articulated,

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it it just you know, it united everybody because the

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vision was cast in a very clear way, wasn't it.

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01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:52.039
Oh?

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Absolutely absolutely.

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01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.440
And there's you know, there there's a lot of history

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01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.719
details if you will, about the Declaration of Independence. For instance,

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01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.440
the document that Washington received from the Courier had only

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two signatures on it. Didn't it didn't have the fifty

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six signatures.

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And why is that?

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Because the founders understood that by signing the Declaration of Independence,

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they were, you know, they were basically signing their death

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warrants exactly. They were committing treason, and treason was punishable

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by death, so they didn't they didn't want to reveal

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who all these revolutionaries were to the British. Still, many

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many of the Founders did lose their lives, they lost

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their property, their families and so forth, but they didn't

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want to make that job any easier for the British,

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01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:43.800
and so only there was only two signatures on that document,

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01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.800
and the full declaration, the fully signed declaration with the

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01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:54.880
fifty six signatures, wasn't released until about eight or nine

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months later, after Washington had a few victories under his

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01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.920
belt Aton and Princeton, New Jersey. Because prior to that

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in New York, Washington was totally routed by the British

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in three different battles, and he.

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Lost a lot of troops.

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So it was a point of real demoralization for everyone.

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And but as God would have it, Uh, you know,

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Washington was in the right place, the right time, on

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the banks of the of the Delaware River, right across

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from Trenton, about seven miles away, when one of his

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spies let him know that, Hey, in Trenton, you know

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you've got the you've got the Hessians all hold up

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over there, and and Washington, of course, the crafty stratisticians, uh,

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you know, strategy guy that he was. He said, the

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time to attack him is on Christmas. That's that's when

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we're going to make our strike, right and so and

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so was you know, in the in the wee hours

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of Christmas morning. Uh, you know, they crossed the Delaware

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and marched to Trenton, and it was a it was

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a very swift victory where there were no casualties on

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Washington size except for the two people that froze because

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it was very cold on the way there, right exactly.

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But but there were no military cash release and they

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then they defeated capture and captured all those all of

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the Hessians, which we're working for the British by the way,

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We're talking with Scott Palace, senior fellow the Discovery Institute.

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We're going to get into a little bit more of

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his book, which is a timeless book, We're Rediscovering America,

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and I know a lot of people who had their

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hands on it, you know, read it over the holiday

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because you know, I think that maybe in light of

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you know, the soccer and the you know, World Cup

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that's taking place, Scott is the Europeans are helping us

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remember how how wonderful this country is, aren't they?

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Absolutely? You know, it's just amazing how God's hand works

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in unexpected ways. We would have thought that soccer, uh

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would do this at this time, but it's happening, and

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it's wonderful.

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On our two hundred and fiftieth birthday, I mean, really,

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it's the Europeans are giving us a gift and of

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course the gift that they're getting is they're coming here

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and they're finding out that air conditioning is plentiful, and

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and that stuff. What's that stuff in my drink? It's

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called ice. We like Oh I like ice. It's it's

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it's comical, but it's it's neat to you know, to

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appreciate their animation and appreciation for this country, whether it's

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Bucky's or In and Out Burgers, or you know, they

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go into stores and they go, oh, my goodness, there's

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all this stuff that's here, you know, in their home country.

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You know, you think that they're you know, talking about

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you know, East Germany all over again or something.

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I know, I know it's it's really amazing.

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But but I think it's a it's an eye opener,

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and it could be an eye opener for the young

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people who have been indoctrinated sadly, Scott uh with this

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anti American rhetoric, this idea that you know, which really

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comes down to you know, you and I've talked about

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whether it's pro American or anti American, but it goes

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a little bit deeper than that. It just yes, that's

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that's at the top. What people can see is that

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either you're pro American or your anti American. But what's

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01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:40.119
driving this whole narrative is uh, you either are an

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01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:45.000
oppressor or you're the oppressed. And so you know, anybody

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01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.760
that's white and rich, they're in the oppressor class, and

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01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.479
everybody else is uh, is the oppressed. And so then

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01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.199
you have goofy things that take place like what happened

1435
01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:59.840
and you know in London here recently with that young man,

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01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:04.000
that eighteen year old kid that died at the hands

1437
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:09.119
of a migrant there, and the police came on the

1438
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:15.920
scene and their orientation, based on how they were indoctrinated,

1439
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.600
they defaulted to it must be the white guy's fault,

1440
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.840
this young eighteen year old who was bleeding out saying

1441
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:25.159
that he couldn't breathe, and they handcuff him, and the

1442
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:28.399
guy who kills him the twenty I think he got

1443
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:33.039
twenty five years or something. He got a serious sense

1444
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:36.399
that he should have. He was convicted, you know, he

1445
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.479
was left to kind of roam around until they finally

1446
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.279
got to it. But then it's too late because this

1447
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:44.359
young man is dead. That's right.

1448
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:48.159
Well, we have to remember that if God's hand was

1449
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:53.760
on America from its beginning, God really raised up America

1450
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:56.479
for a great cause. Well, we're going to come under attack.

1451
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.960
We are in a spiritual war. The enemy wants to

1452
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.319
take America down. And that's why we've seen all this.

1453
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:09.720
You know, the whole Woke Revolution really is just a

1454
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:15.239
manifestation of a spiritual battle against our country and against

1455
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.520
really the you know, the the Western world.

1456
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:22.520
I mean you well in particularly, I mean it's us

1457
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.239
and it's Israel, you know, yet they have a rise

1458
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.199
of anti Semitism to such a degree. And Scott, you

1459
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.560
know when you read the Book of Revelations, which we're

1460
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.159
all heading, I mean, we're starting to live out those chapters,

1461
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.479
you know, the final days. As Billy Graham said, the

1462
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:39.439
last of the last days that we're in is that

1463
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:43.840
you don't see any definitive reference of America. And I

1464
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.560
think that one of the reasons possibly could be is

1465
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:52.319
that America uh finds itself, you know, having too much

1466
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:56.399
distance from Israel, that were we we somehow do not

1467
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.640
hold to the alliance that we have prayed they held

1468
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.560
with Israel. And the Bible is clear, you know, God's

1469
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.000
made it clear said look at those who bless you

1470
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.520
will be blessed. Those who curse you will be cursed.

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01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:09.640
You know.

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01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:13.319
Well, there's certainly, you know, there's certainly different views you

1473
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.600
know about that, But I do think that that that

1474
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:19.359
you know, Israel has been a wonderful has been a

1475
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:23.279
great ally, and Israel is standing up for the values

1476
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.840
that Americans hold deer in the Middle East. It's the

1477
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:28.359
only country really in the Middle East that is the

1478
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:32.720
democratic country and gives people rights. I mean, people who

1479
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:36.279
live in Israel have most of the rights that we

1480
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:39.279
had and they give those rights not only to the

1481
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.800
Jewish people, but to old people, to Arabs who are

1482
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:47.720
living in Israel, they have the same rights, right And

1483
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:52.359
so you know, in many ways Israel is it is

1484
01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:58.359
a exemplary nation in the Middle East. But again it's

1485
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:01.439
the same phenomena that those who are on God's side

1486
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:06.520
in upholding God's values come under attack by Satanic forces.

1487
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:10.640
Right. Well, like you say, Western civilization has been under

1488
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:14.359
attack since day one. That's just the nature of man.

1489
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.199
And then and then you have, of course, out of that,

1490
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:21.279
it's so galling to them that you have America that

1491
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:26.840
becomes the superpower in an extraordinary amount of time. Scott,

1492
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:31.199
this is unprecedented. So and the only way that could

1493
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:36.720
have happened is because of you know, divine investment.

1494
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:43.039
Absolutely absolutely everything everything points to the hand of God,

1495
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:44.119
really right.

1496
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:49.479
Right, exactly. So, So here we are today where you've

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01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:51.840
got you know, so many people, you know, we just

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01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.640
celebrated fourth of July and our two fiftieth anniversary, which

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01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:01.560
will continue. But you've got, excuse me, growing number of Americans,

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01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.439
particularly on the Democrat side, that really are not very

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01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:10.760
patriotic at all. I mean, the pollings. God, it's disheartening

1502
01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:14.319
to think that people have just you know, turned their

1503
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:18.079
back on this great American idea and they want to

1504
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:22.760
replace it with something that historically has been an abject

1505
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:26.560
failure and has caused more death than any other ism

1506
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:27.600
on the planet.

1507
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:31.720
Well, you're absolutely right, and again we're reminded that the

1508
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:35.199
power of evil is great. And you know, from the

1509
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:38.039
very beginning, from the Garden of Eden, how did Satan operate.

1510
01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:42.279
He deceived he deceived Eve, he deceived Adam. He's the

1511
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:46.199
big deceiver, he's the big liar. And so these you know,

1512
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:51.920
woke communist ideologies are a manifestation of this same deception

1513
01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:58.039
where people get deceived, they get brainwashed, and they turn

1514
01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:01.880
against the very things that are good. You know, America

1515
01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:07.319
is by and large a country that is exemplary in

1516
01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:11.640
providing freedom and opportunity to its people. We're not perfect,

1517
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:15.199
and I mean, and I'm the first to criticize where

1518
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.319
where we're wrong. I mean, I think that it is

1519
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:22.319
quite alarming that, uh, you know, we have this disparity

1520
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.319
of wealth now where the power the powerful are getting

1521
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:29.560
more powerful, where wealth is being concentrated more and more.

1522
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:35.239
And I'm not saying that it's taking the wealth away

1523
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:38.800
from the people. It's not a pie that's being divided

1524
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:42.960
up because it's a dynamic, growing economy, but the wealth.

1525
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.880
But the fact of the matter is that the wealthy

1526
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:50.680
are have more power, more wealth, and more power than

1527
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.760
ever before. And so we need, you know, we need

1528
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:58.439
a revival of the values that have made us great,

1529
01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:02.399
which is we were all we all have equal value,

1530
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:05.880
and we should have equal opportunity. So I would like

1531
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:08.600
to see the federal government, you know, be more active

1532
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.039
in in uh and trust law enforcement, you know, anti

1533
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:18.079
trust law. There's many things we need to do, but certainly,

1534
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:20.600
you know, at the at the at the ground floor level,

1535
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.479
we could start with giving a good education to our

1536
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:29.119
kids in our public schools, our school our schools well, and.

1537
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:32.600
We're spending a ton of money to render this education

1538
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:38.079
that has become quite questionable and clearly evidenced and and

1539
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.000
put front and center. You know, after COVID's got we

1540
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:43.159
saw clearly what was happening in our classroom.

1541
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.199
Well COVID was you know, you know that that whole

1542
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:55.319
era was one big chapter of deception. And and I

1543
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:57.560
think people are figuring it out. I mean, I do

1544
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.920
think we're going to have election integrity this year for

1545
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.680
the mid terms because people are woken up.

1546
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:06.680
Right, you can't have the consent of the government if

1547
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:12.920
you don't hear the govern's voice and if you're you know,

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01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:18.760
bluntening with you know, ballot stuffing and you know illegal

1549
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.119
ballots and that sort of thing. You know, so this

1550
01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.800
is all compromised. And I guess this is you know

1551
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:27.399
what I'm saying about the young kids, Scott, This is

1552
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:31.800
my observation is that these young kids who have been indoctrinate.

1553
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.279
I get that. And like you said, what the deceiver

1554
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:38.760
does is he takes the legitimate and makes it illegitimate.

1555
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:41.880
He twists things right, And this is what these professors

1556
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.520
have done in these classrooms is they've taken a little

1557
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.439
bit of the evidence and they twisted it in such

1558
01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:49.199
a way to use it against and really confuse the

1559
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.119
kids all the more. But I say to them, you know,

1560
01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:55.960
I think their observation in some ways is correct. Their

1561
01:24:55.960 --> 01:25:00.359
conclusion is wrong in terms of thinking that socialism is

1562
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.840
going to be, you know, is going to solve the problem.

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01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:07.199
You know, it's big government has been the problem, you know,

1564
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:11.199
going back to the annunciation of Ronald Reagan and even

1565
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:11.880
Bill Clinton.

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01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:15.479
Sure, absolutely big government is the problem.

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01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:16.920
And why is it the problem?

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01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:21.159
Because it concentrates power in a group of people. The

1569
01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:26.039
vision of the founders was that power would be from

1570
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:29.920
the people, that the people would be sovereign, and that

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01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:34.039
they would choose who would rule them, and that they

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01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:37.640
created a system of checks and balances and frequent elections.

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01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:40.239
I might add, in other words, American people have the

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01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.279
opportunity to vote the fraudsters and the charlatans out every

1575
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:47.479
two years, and the legislature right, every two years. And

1576
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.359
really the legislature has the most power in our three

1577
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.079
part system. Right, they make the lass, they choose how

1578
01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:57.600
the money is spent, so if American people would, you know,

1579
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:02.279
would be engaged in understanding what's going on, they would

1580
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.439
vote the bums out every two years and put in

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01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:06.079
new blood.

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01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:08.560
And we've got to make sure and we've got to

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make sure there's voting integrity.

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01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:12.760
That's right, it's so imperative.

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01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.640
Absolutely well, we got to leave it there for now.

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01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.920
Scott pal Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute, author of

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Rediscovering America. Scott has always appreciate the time. Happy two

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Hey?

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Bill, how you doing? Hey?

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I'm doing just a sidebar by the way. The commemorative issue,

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I guess it's a collector's issue that you did on

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the deep State, that your team did, it's just absolutely outstanding.

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I've had more comments from friends in my circle that

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1664
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:32.279
breaking down, you know, the history of the deep State

1665
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:34.960
and dealing with some of these issues that some would

1666
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:36.640
consider as conspiratorial.

1667
01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.720
Yes, well, thank you so much. We we aimed to please,

1668
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.720
and we felt that a thirty years was time to

1669
01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:45.880
revisit the issue in a special issue so.

1670
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:48.920
Well, and like you said, it's you know for people

1671
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.840
that you know, think whenever you hear you know right

1672
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:55.800
here there it is when you think about the illuminati

1673
01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:59.239
and you know the roots of you know, the deep state,

1674
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:02.319
and really it just comes down to just comes down

1675
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.119
to who's who's got the money, right.

1676
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.159
Yeah, I mean, certainly money is a large part of it.

1677
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.479
There there are other issues as well, but yeah, I mean,

1678
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:13.319
at some to some degree. I mean that the people

1679
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:16.520
who are the ultimate movers and shakers behind what we

1680
01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:19.199
call the deep state, I think are perhaps maybe not

1681
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:23.720
a political but they're certainly driven by an ideology. I mean,

1682
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:27.640
they're not without ideology. They have goals. They have an ideology,

1683
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:31.199
the ideology of power. I suppose that motivates them. So

1684
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:34.479
I mean, and this accounts for their their zeal and

1685
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.560
their tenacity in trying to achieve those those goals, not

1686
01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:41.960
just in a single country like the United States, but worldwide.

1687
01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:45.399
You know, it's interesting because Democrats are always accused of,

1688
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.359
you know, being so interested in power and control, you know,

1689
01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:51.279
as Lindsey Graham would state it. But I got to

1690
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:53.720
tell you, the deep stators make the Democrats look like,

1691
01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:56.800
you know, their little pawns on a bigger chessboard.

1692
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:02.239
Well, sure, I mean the Democrat Party being I guess

1693
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:05.840
what would have once been called the court faction. You know,

1694
01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:08.800
it's the party whose whose raizone deetra is to defend

1695
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:14.319
the status quo and to follow power wherever it leads.

1696
01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:17.520
And you know, the Republicans until recently have been primarily

1697
01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:19.359
the loyal opposition. They have a different, different thunct, so

1698
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.760
they're you know, the Democratic Party certainly in the United

1699
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:28.720
States is more in sympathetic certainly to the aims of

1700
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.119
the globalists and the radical left and the other main

1701
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:35.199
factions within this this you know, the deep state, the conspiracy,

1702
01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:41.399
that's that's trying to to radically overhaul the culture government

1703
01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:45.000
and you know, the totality of the United States and

1704
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:48.720
recondition it so that it will fit with a new

1705
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:51.359
world order. I mean, that's a term people hear, that conspirit.

1706
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:54.199
That's actually the term that they've used for centuries to

1707
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.279
describe this utopian project.

1708
01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:59.000
Yeah, because how many people are we talking, you know,

1709
01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:02.880
maybe a thousand or so. Elites I mean uber elites

1710
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:07.880
that are very private and secretive, that are the lever pollers,

1711
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:12.359
as you say, uh, looking in terms of an ultimate

1712
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:17.920
goal of global control and power, right, I mean, it's.

1713
01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:19.720
I don't know how many there are. It's certainly a

1714
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:24.319
small minority of people, but actually there is a large

1715
01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:26.079
I mean they're they're there are different layers to it is.

1716
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.159
There are a large number of people who are ideological

1717
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:32.439
supporters in varying degrees. And it's hard to know, you know,

1718
01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:34.760
those who at the apex of the power of power,

1719
01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:37.039
so to speak, how many they may actually be. But

1720
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:40.680
they're certainly found all over the world, you know, and

1721
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:45.640
and and speak different languages and at least professedly belong

1722
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:49.199
to different you know, religions and cultures and this kind

1723
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:54.239
of thing. But but in their innermost convictions they are globalists.

1724
01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:56.239
They don't they don't you know, those things are are

1725
01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.880
just are just trappings are you know, are our superficialities,

1726
01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.399
so you know, and and many of them probably are

1727
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.359
not household names. I mean we tend to say, oh, well,

1728
01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.199
this billionaire or that politician, those are those are the

1729
01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:10.560
are the deep state. But a lot of them are

1730
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:13.840
people who are uh, you know, perhaps not so well

1731
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.239
known to the general public or not at all who

1732
01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:20.159
wild power and and you know, and characterizing it, I mean,

1733
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:23.800
I find the term deep state to be not misleading,

1734
01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:29.000
but perhaps limiting, because it implies that at root this

1735
01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:34.760
movement is is political and and that's no more accurate

1736
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:36.279
than to say, well, it's just a bunch of you know,

1737
01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:38.399
central bankers, you know. I mean, that's part of it too.

1738
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:41.880
But it's not purely about money either. At root, it

1739
01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:46.319
is actually spiritual. And the political and the financial and

1740
01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:50.520
the cultural ramifications are are aspects of it. But but roote,

1741
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.159
I mean, there's there's a there's a powerful spiritual or

1742
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:57.279
dare I say, anti spiritual conviction among the people. And

1743
01:34:57.600 --> 01:34:59.600
I mean one example of this, and this is not

1744
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:01.560
a content I'm a figure, but someone who lived several

1745
01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:05.640
hundred years ago is John D. Most people have no idea.

1746
01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:07.039
I mentioned John D and one of my artor and

1747
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:09.159
most people have no idea who this guy John D was.

1748
01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:13.880
Well I'll tell you he was. He was a practitioner

1749
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.640
of black magic, including necromancy, which is where you try

1750
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:22.399
to raise the dead black magic. He actually did this

1751
01:35:22.520 --> 01:35:23.920
with a guy named or tried to. I don't know

1752
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:27.159
how successful he was, but he went into graveyards and

1753
01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:30.560
tried to raise dead people and commune with spirits with

1754
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:34.520
an even more sinister character named Edward Kelly, who followed

1755
01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:38.520
him around. He was fascinated with all aspects of the occult.

1756
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:40.319
He say, okay, well, he sounds like a really weird

1757
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:41.159
fringe character.

1758
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:42.399
Well.

1759
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:47.399
He was also a polymath at the apex of elizabethan

1760
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:51.479
England's not only academic but political scene, and he was

1761
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:54.920
a privy counselor to Queen Elizabeth first, and he was

1762
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.119
the guy who is credited with thinking up the idea

1763
01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:01.359
of the British Empire. It was his idea. He went

1764
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:03.600
to Elizabeth and said, you know, here's what we need

1765
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.920
to do to change the world. We need to take

1766
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:08.880
all of these wonderful civilized laws and this whole system

1767
01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:11.359
of britishivilization and we need to find a way to

1768
01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:14.239
extend it worldwide. And we're going to do this by

1769
01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:18.039
you know, uh Andy. And he proposed this this project,

1770
01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:20.439
and so you can find that in Wikipedia. That's actually

1771
01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:22.560
not secret. Most people are just unaware of the fact

1772
01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:24.960
that the guy who thunk up the British Empire, one

1773
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:28.399
of the most consequential events of the last thousand years

1774
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.399
was this weirdoes. Yeah, so this kind of shows and

1775
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:35.680
and and and and as his motivations to this, I

1776
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:37.840
don't think it was you know, petty partisan politics or

1777
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:41.560
whatever was the equivalent thereof back in Elizabethan, England. It

1778
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.560
was it was owing to his spiritual views and in

1779
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.359
his case and many others like him, people who inclined

1780
01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:51.279
towards the occult, this idea and the perfectibility of man,

1781
01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:55.439
this idea that that we ourselves are capable of bringing

1782
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.520
about an earthly paradise. I mean that's certainly the motive.

1783
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.840
That's that's what socialism is is, in a fact.

1784
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:04.560
Right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, it's basically godless, I would think,

1785
01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:06.960
even though they may claim some sort of you know,

1786
01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:13.159
religious ideology, but it is, you know, it seems to

1787
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:17.319
be humanistic more so. And as you mentioned, you know,

1788
01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:20.880
they like not having their names and lights. They don't

1789
01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.680
want to be noted figures, it would seem. Yeah.

1790
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:26.960
And I mean, unlike in John D's day, where some

1791
01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:29.760
of these these these are cult guys had sort of

1792
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.439
rock star status because that was the age when things

1793
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:36.119
like alchemy were very celebrated. Still your latter day John

1794
01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:38.600
Dee's are not you know, not the sort of people

1795
01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:41.479
that most people are aware of. I mean, probably the

1796
01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:45.239
last such I would think would probably be probably Alistair Crowley,

1797
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:47.000
and he's of course been dead for a long time,

1798
01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:49.600
but he was kind of a celebrated cultist, and he

1799
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:52.720
was very influential politically too. He was he had his

1800
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:56.720
contacts in the highest, you know, corridors of power in

1801
01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:58.920
both you know, Britain and the United States, and was

1802
01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:01.960
highly and remains highly influential. I mean, certainly in the

1803
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:04.760
world of entertainment. It's it's hard to you know, to

1804
01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:08.560
comb through much of the output of Hollywood without coming

1805
01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.319
up with references to Alister Crowley and to his exactly

1806
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:14.840
his beliefs so called Thelema and everything else his philosophy. So,

1807
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.279
you know, and then there are people like that today.

1808
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:18.760
Most of them are you know, are not not well.

1809
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.600
I'm not saying they're all occultists like like Crowley, but

1810
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:24.640
I am saying that, you know, I mean, Adolf Hitler

1811
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:27.239
once made a comment about Nazism. He said, people that

1812
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.359
look at Nazism and I'm paraphrasing, but he said, people

1813
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:34.000
who see Nazism as just a political movement don't understand

1814
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.239
what it's about, and in that he was telling the

1815
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:40.439
truth right, because Nazism also originated as an occult movement.

1816
01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:41.439
You know.

1817
01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:45.840
The Tula Gazellschaft, which Hitler and all the inner circle

1818
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.279
of Nazi belonged to, wasn't a cult organization, and it

1819
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:51.640
was derived from what we would now call the you know,

1820
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.600
the Early New Age or you know, movement of the

1821
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:59.920
Theosophical Society, and you know Helena Plovotsky and any Bazant

1822
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:01.680
and all that crowd. You know, again, these are not

1823
01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:05.439
necessarily household names anymore unless people into the occult, you know,

1824
01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:07.800
which I do not recommend, by the way. But the

1825
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:12.119
point being is that that again, Nazism, which was a terrible,

1826
01:39:12.319 --> 01:39:17.840
enormously you know, uh, consequential part of you know, the

1827
01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:21.359
globalism in the mid twentieth century, you know, and obviously

1828
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:25.800
rot Cheryl Havock was ultimately spiritual in nature. And this

1829
01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:27.640
is this is the important thing to bear in mind.

1830
01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.640
These people are you know, some of them, they may

1831
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:34.039
be atheistic, but they do have their their their philosophy

1832
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:37.800
and their goals and and and which animates them well.

1833
01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:40.199
And this is why they embraced I believe embraced in

1834
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.880
part Darwinism. You know so uh you know so uh,

1835
01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:50.039
how I want to say, you know so easily, let's

1836
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:50.640
put it that way.

1837
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:54.079
Yeah, well, and many other things. It's one of the

1838
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:57.159
reasons for their tremendous patience. I mean want to say, well,

1839
01:39:57.399 --> 01:40:00.000
you know, I I often hear the idea of conspiracy.

1840
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.960
He debunked on more or less this space. Rush Limbaugh

1841
01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:05.000
used to do this. He used to say, well, you know,

1842
01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:08.920
it's impossible to keep a conspiracy secret, you know, these people.

1843
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:12.399
And to an extent, he's right in the sense that

1844
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:14.319
if you look out, if you look at the evidence,

1845
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:17.560
it's not really that secret. You know, there are admissions

1846
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:23.159
against interest, you know. Obviously Carol Quigley's book Tragedy and

1847
01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:26.039
Hope is a really good example of that. And and

1848
01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:27.800
but there are others as well. I mean, if you

1849
01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.399
can't read the writings of any of these prominent occult

1850
01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:34.520
people from John D. Onward without coming into, you know,

1851
01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:38.520
across references of a secret global elite brotherhood. They call

1852
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:40.119
it by different names, but they all have the same

1853
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:42.439
the same thing. They say, the world is secretly controlled

1854
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:45.920
by these people. And they're good, you know, because their

1855
01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:47.920
aims are noble and all this, and they know each

1856
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:49.960
other and they speak every but you know, they all

1857
01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:52.119
the same thing. Well are they all just making this

1858
01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:56.479
stuff up? Obviously? You know, the the the the skeptic

1859
01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.079
is going to say, well, they're just all making up.

1860
01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:00.000
But are they all making up the same story?

1861
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:00.520
You know?

1862
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:02.880
I mean, you know, the whole idea of so called

1863
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.880
esotericism is the idea of this, There's this this group

1864
01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:11.279
worldwide that has this has this power. I choose to

1865
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:15.279
believe it. I mean, I see enough evidence suggest that

1866
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.800
this that this is essentially a correct picture.

1867
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.960
We've got more from Steve Bonta from The New American

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look at the fruit on the tree, I mean, the

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its root system, and so it's quite telling. I mean

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you have to really just you know, purposely blind yourself,

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you know, to that reality to see these underpinnings that

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are going on and of course that are being manifest

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more and more in our country today. And we're going

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to talk about that in just a moment. But to

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kind of wrap things up again, congratulations on this, you know,

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on this publication and the special command with the magazine. Steve.

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How can people access it?

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Well, it's you can order it online to go to

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the New American dot com our website again. Here here

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I'm we're very proud of this issue and it's selling

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very well and we're hoping that it opens opens more

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eyes as to the the I mean, there are lots

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and lots of people bill out there who are sympathetic

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in varying degrees to to the to to the cause

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of freedom and limited government, all this stuff which is

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so important. But it's important, you know, to understand also

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from whence the opposition derives its vitality. You know, why

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is it that it's so hard to win this fight?

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Why is it that it always seems like two steps forward,

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three steps back. And the answer is because the enemy

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is organized, and no complete accounting of the freedom struggle

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is possible without acknowledging that, without saying, you know, understanding

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somewhat the nature of the enemy.

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Face.

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Well, you're exactly right. I see the enemy working a

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lot harder. I mean, look at what's happening, you know,

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across our country with the Democratic Socialist I mean, they're

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out of the closet, full blown. I mean we've known

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this for a long time, you know, for decades that

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this was a you know, a growing organization, and now

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here they are. I mean they've captured, you know, the

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mayor's seat in New York. You've got three candidates in

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New York heading you know, potentially to Congress, and they're

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very outspoken about their democratic socialistic not even leanings, but

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their commitment.

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Yeah, absolutely, and I mean, I mean that's obviously socialism

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is the main kind of the public face of this

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of this this drive for for for global control and

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you know, this type of thing we call it socialism,

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but it's it's just the ideology of pure a moral,

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collectivized power. That's all it is and everything that and

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again and even with socialism, just just confining our our

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analysis socialism, people often make the mistake of saying, well,

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socialism is basically this this political and economic theory, and

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it's not. If you look at the origins of socialism,

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you find that all of the you know, the people

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it was also a radical social experiment. I mean, all

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the first socialist communes were all into getting rid of

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marriage and the family and having you know, as they

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called it then and now free love and all the

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rest of this. There's always been this counter cultural, moral

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or anti moral dimension of the thing we call socialism.

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So just looking at it as a like a politically

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a political partisan thing or maybe an instance of extreme

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you know, but purely political zealotry is you know, fails

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to capture the totality of what socialism is. And so

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there's nothing at all inconsistent about the fact that the

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same people who are espousing socialist you know, economic and

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political collectivism, are also a spouse, are trying to get

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rid of the family, are trying to destroy family values,

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are implacable foes of organized religions, particularly Christianity, all that

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kind of thing. It's all of a.

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Piece, right, And in all the years of human history,

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what success record can you point to and say, you

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see here during the Roman Empire or you know, during

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you know another empire, it worked brilliantly, or you know

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the Russians handled it, or you know whatever. I mean.

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Every time you look at socialism as a history element,

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you see mediocrity, You see devastation, human carnage. So here

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it is the striving to have it your way, like

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as if you're ordering up a hamburger. You end up

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in the process just you know, debilitating the social norms

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and the things that brought you to the dance, and

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you've just blown up the whole party.

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Well, that's true, and I think that a lot of

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people on the left, at least the more intelligent ones

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they know this, but they're motivated by a desire to

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destroy the existing order and if that can be accomplished

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by socialism, and so be it. The I mean the

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whole The term radical comes from the word for root, radics, right,

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and the idea is that the only thing that will

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suffice to bring about this aforementioned earthly paradise. You know this,

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this this this utopia that human kind God listened to.

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Utopia.

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I have to say, uh, you know, you know, done

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by the hands of man is the total uprooting of

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everything that went before. And of course anyone who you know,

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who knows anything about gardening. What if you pull a

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planet by its roots, you kill it? Yes, right, Well,

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that's what they want to do, is to kill utterly.

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And if that means, you know, the death of billions

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of souls and the desolation spoken of by Tacitus, then

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so be it. As long as you know, we can

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emerge at the far end with something new, something radically new,

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we will finally have banished God and morality and all

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the other things that they consider to be the source

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of all of the ills and troubles on this earth,

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and will have created this new temporal paradise that will

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not be encumbered anymore by those things. People will to

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do what they want. That'll be the whole of the law,

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as Aleister Crowley famously put it, you know, and and

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that will suffice and if and if to get from there,

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from here to there, we have to sacrifice most of

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humanity on a modern day you know, alter of Moloch

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will so be it. Yeah, I mean, obviously you have

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to break a lot of eggs to make this particular omelet.

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That's that's the reasoning. So I think you know a

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lot of them, you know, do know that theirs is

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a recipe for desolation and destruction. But that's what they want,

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you know, they say, some people just want to watch

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the world burn. That's kind of become a bit of

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a of a punchline, but it's actually true, right, that's what.

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And they're not satisfied with socialism. I mean, socialism is faced.

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It's the yellow brick road to communism, right, I mean,

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it's not a big leap once you once you become

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a socialist, you know, the transition to communism is you know,

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almost natural.

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Well, communism is is sort of a specialized form of socialism.

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Most communists will say, I mean like the Chinese Communist Party.

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They anymore, they say, well, we're socialist, you know, I

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mean socialism is the more correct term. Communism generally nowadays

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refers to a specific brand of socialism advocated by Karl Marx,

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and that crowd and a lot of people, like the

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01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:59.479
Fabian Socialists for example, really don't believe in that because

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01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:02.920
they say, you know, this, this abrupt, violent revolutionary scheme

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that communism requires ain't gonna work. What we need to

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01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:09.640
do is is is erect the house of socialist world order,

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bit by bit gradually, you know, basically, transform hearts and minds,

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and you know, if necessary, rule and ruin. But you

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01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.600
know what, but but more this more gradualist approach. And

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then the other problem, you know, and the reason that

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modern day Marxists oftentimes you know, reject, you know, the

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the communist recipe, per say, is they say, well, you

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know the problem with communism is, you know, it only

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it only works if you have a large uneducated peasantry

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like they head in Russia or China. And that's why

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01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:41.520
communism has never really taken root, you know, and taken

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over in countries that have higher standards of living in

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education and so.

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Forth and so on.

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So so there are you know, some differences in that,

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01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:52.079
but you know Marxism writ large certainly, you know, embraces

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all of the above.

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01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:55.279
Well, you look at what happened with Germany. I mean,

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Germany was a pretty you know, intellectual, uh you know

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01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:02.079
country at the time. Of course we're talking communism and

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01:54:02.119 --> 01:54:05.760
we're talking fascism as opposed to communism. But you know,

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any ism whatsoever, you know that relies on a constituency

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that's been dumbed down and mediocritized. You could argue that

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01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:18.880
our educational system has been very effective in doing that

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with this new generation.

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01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:22.359
Yeah. Well, I mean the thing is, again, if I

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were a new World Order, right, I'd be looking at

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01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:26.399
the Nazis and saying that's not the that's not what

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01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:28.960
I want to do, because look, it didn't last very long, right,

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01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:31.960
I mean, it was obviously a failure. They tried to

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01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:35.319
do too much too quickly, and so you know it

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ended up coming a croppers of the rest of the world.

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We know what happened to Nazism. So so what they're

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what they're saying instead is they say, well, let's how

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can we make this permanent. You know, how can we

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01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:50.479
how can we ease humanity through this radical transition into

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a new, entirely new order and make sure that it sticks,

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you know, and make sure that we never return to

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a time of sovereign nations and you know, religious faith

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and all the you know, belief in a god that

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doesn't exist, you know, fairy tales and all this type

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of thing. Again, that's what they think and so you know,

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in in their in their hidden conclaves and conferences and

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01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:16.760
so forth. I mean, I have no doubt this is

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the kind of thing that they're that they that they discuss,

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01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:22.960
you know, uh, very serious terms. Is how do you

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01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:24.920
bring this about and make it stick?

2125
01:55:26.039 --> 01:55:29.840
See about thirty seconds left. What about the hope for America.

2126
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:31.600
I'm gonna let you wrap it up. Go ahead.

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Well, the hope for America resides in bringing these hidden

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01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:40.000
things to light and in also instilling in people and

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01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:44.000
appreciation of the positive values of the founders. You know,

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the fact that that there is a God that he

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has given to us unalienable rights that make us who

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we are, That that that the proper state of man

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in in in this world and universe is as a

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free moral agent not a save or a chattel and

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everything that flows from that, and the Declaration of Independence

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and the Constitution. So all of these things work together,

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and we have enough people with with that critical understanding,

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we're going to have a free country again, and the

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tide will turn well.

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And here we are on the verge of celebrating two

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hundred and fifty years and we have Europeans and people

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from around the world coming into our country and celebrating

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our country and helping us appreciate just how exceptional the

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United States of America is, right.

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Yeah, yeah, and good for them. Who would have thought

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the World Cup would be such a transformative political event,

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but hey, we'll take it.

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Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you. He's the publisher of the

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New American magazine, Steve Bonta. Thank you, Steve, Take care,

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God bless Thanks Bill, same to you.

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