July 10, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 07 10 26

The Bill Martinez Show 07 10 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 07 10 26
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Are you ready, Yeah, okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live,

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a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics,

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and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, welcome six minutes after the top of

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the hour, Bill Martinez here with Richard Lyons, the author

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of The DNA of Democracy and The Shadows the Acropolis.

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Richard, how are you very good? Bill, Good to see you.

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Well.

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Happy post fourth of July, the celebration of our two

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hundred and fiftieth anniversary and birthday continues.

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Huh yeah, well, thank heaven, we got to two fifty Yeah.

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Well, you know, but then here we are at a

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bit of a crossroads, not one that we're so unfamiliar with.

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I mean, historically, we've been at crossroads like this before.

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And there is just something about the resilience of the

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Constitution and this great American idea that beats back the opposite.

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Yes, true, I find it a bit ironic that here

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we have beaten socialism all around the world, and socialism

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has proven it does not work after one hundred years

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and hundreds of millions of lives and persons prisoned, and

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yet we're facing it here in America where it's never

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been tried fully because they say here rather than anywhere

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else in the world, it can work.

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You know.

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To me, after everything is all said and done, and

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I'm gonna put it in a spiritual context, is that,

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spiritually speaking, socialism is everything that is against God and

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everything about the great American idea. When you consider its roots,

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it was all about God. I know we've talked about

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a lot of successes over the past few weeks of America,

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but one of the things that I believe that's been

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underreported is the impact of people faith. Usually when they'll

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talk about well, you know Jefferson had his faith, and

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you know, George Washington in the hand of divine providence,

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his references and that sort of thing. John Adams the

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same way. You know, early on the presidents were very spiritual.

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But I think that when they say that, they say

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it in such a way that it it almost makes

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it less significant. I mean, this was the driving force

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and even coming down to the reality of what really

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brought everybody together was the concept of freedom. Well, freedom

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doesn't come from socialism, it doesn't come from communism, It

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comes from the Bible, it comes from the mouth of

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God himself. And this is what rallied the people and

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gave them the faith and belief to put it all

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on the line. You know their you know their treasures,

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their you know their reputations, their very lives, for the

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sake of this great American idea.

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Right yeah, And that's that's really well put Bill. That

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In fact, the first settlers to this country, as most

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most people know. I don't know whether they teached it

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any we were in school, but the first, the first

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persons to come to North America over torrential seas, risking

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everything and coming here with nothing but the shirts on

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their back, came to this continent to have religious freedom.

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Because back in England, largely every time there was a

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different monarch through the Tudor period, one or another sect

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of Christianity was being persecuted. You know, people were being

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prison put to death, asked where all their friends were.

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Did they take mass? Were they Puritans, were they Calvinists?

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Who were they? Whereas in America they built their own

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communities based largely centered in their faith, and then they

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built their own churches, and they didn't look to a

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pope in Rome, they didn't look to a bishop in England.

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They looked to their own experience of God. And there

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was something in the seventeen hundreds called the Great Awakened

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which centered on the Spirit of God, the other part

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of the Trinity, not the Father's Son, but the Holy Spirit.

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And it's centered on the individuality of God in each person.

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And so the individual was the temple, not the church

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down the street, right. And that has a lot to

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do with our faith in individual rights, along with as

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you said, the Ten Commandments, the first common law of humanity,

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which was received from God. And that's where we get

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our sense of our rights come from our creator in

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alien rights. No government can take that away by right.

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Well, let me respond to two things here, Richard, that

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you talked about. Number One, I don't know if you

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saw this survey. I just ran across it this morning.

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I said, forty six percent of Americans don't know US history.

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I believe that. I'm surprised. It's I'm surprised, you think, yeah, oh,

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because since since nineteen sixty five, Bill, it's been the

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concerted effort of the Democrat Party, who has been in

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charge of education, to limit the education on that we

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have of civics or dis country. And normally, if people

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are educated at all, it's in the negative, right, negative perspective.

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You know.

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I know quickly people like to say, well, we got

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to blame it on the teachers in the education system.

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Certainly they're part and parcel of it.

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But you know, even the Bible talks about the responsibility

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of the father, you know, to tell his children about

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the history of God. It's just like here, we've been

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blessed with this incredible blessing from God called the United

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States of America, and it was up to all of

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us that wanted to preserve freedom to tell our children

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about it and don't rely on liberal teachers or you know,

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some other movement because sometimes you know, even as the

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kids were growing up, I'd ask them, I go, who

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told you that? You know, they'd come up with something ridiculous,

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you know, who told you that? And I even wrote

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a piece here a couple of years ago, you know,

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just telling America, you know, asking America because there was

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goofy stuff about Trump and you know, democracy in our

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democratic you.

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Know who told you that?

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You know? Do you even get people to pause to think?

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So? Number one, I think that that was eye opening

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for me that we have so many people that just

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do not know us history, and that's all of our responsibility,

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especially those of us that want to preserve freedom.

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Right.

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Yes, And the fact is our history is one of

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the most unique histories in the history of humanity. When

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you talk about the sacrifices that went into the Revolutionary War,

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the part that the women played in that revolution, they

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literally became the defender of the home, the runner of

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the family business. There are so many examples of that.

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And then you have the revolution in itself was a

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great sacrifice. But then after I think it's seventy five years,

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the country was split between well, wait a minute, there

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is a line in our Declaration of Independence that says

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all men are created equal. From the time of the

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revolution and for the all those years afterwards, there was

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a movement in America for the abolition of slavery. Right

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from the revolution. There was half of the country thought

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the revolution was imperfect because it did not eliminate slavery.

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At the time of the Constitution, we eliminated the slave trade.

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We sun seted it in twenty years so everybody could

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get out of it, and we did in eighteen oh eight.

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It was outlawed forever. We were one of the first

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countries to do that right after England in the world. Right,

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I mean, there's still the slave trade in Arabia today

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and in Africa. We were one of the first countries

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to eliminate it. And then we suffered a million casualties

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in a civil war in order to have that line

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from our declaration of independence applied through the thirteenth, fourteenth,

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and fifteenth amendments into the constitution. And it costs the

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country over a million casualties. And you know, if you

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go to the wealth that it destroyed two million dollars

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a day. The war costs the North and in the South,

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the entire South was burned to the ground. Yeah, I mean,

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that's quite the sacrifice to make of a majority race

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going to war with itself for the rights of a

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minority race. It's unheard of in history and people should

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really appreciate it.

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Well, you know, you're exactly right, and there's just again

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so much like I've often said, is that you know,

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sometimes you got to go back to the beginnings, you know,

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when it all started, and you're recounting these things that

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are so important that people must get their minds around

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you know, but this is.

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Well, we're talking with Lyons, the author of the DNA

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of Democracy and the Shadows of the Acropolis.

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Richard. You know, here we go.

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If we're going to have another two hundred and fifty years,

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the people, you know, I've been saying, the silent majority

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cannot remain silent. I mean, you've got to get in.

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You've got to know when it's time for peace and

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time for war. The Bible says in the Book of Ecclesiastes.

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And you know, the fact of the matter is is

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the day America became a free country, it declared war

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on the world, on all these other nations that didn't

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believe in freedom, didn't believe that individual rights right.

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And exactly, yes, right, Well, it wasn't not so much

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at war with the world, Bill as I would put it,

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I would put it, we were showing the way. Yes,

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they called the Constitution a new order for the ages

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and not just for America. But for the world. But

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sam what happened in most of the world is what

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occurred in France with their revolution. They went through a

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revolution in which, through the passion of their democracy in

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the middle of Paris, they butchered large swaths of their countrymen,

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and then out of the chaos. Instead of having a

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George Washington who handed his sword back to the Continental

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Congress and presided over the Constitutional Convention, they had Napoleon Bonaparte,

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who said, no, that's my sword, I'll use it on

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whom I like, and I'm going to conquer the whole

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continent of Europe. So very different. That's the norm of humanity,

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is what Bonaparte did exact. That's happened throughout human history.

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What George Washington did, and what makes our history so

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utterly unique is his place in our history. Jefferson's place

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in our history, John Adams's place, as you said, in

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our history, Abraham Lincoln's place in our history. These are

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all persons of very different backgrounds with one dedication, and

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that is to our common liberty, and that is to

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our rights as individuals. We have rights as individuals. The

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state does not have a right to take those away.

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And socialism. The state has all the rights and individuals

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have none.

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Well, and as you say, and I agree with you,

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that America was to be as you know, one of

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the early pastors put it, that shining light on a hill.

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And we have, you know, our democracy and our freedom.

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We've attracted people to such a degree that even today, Richard,

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I mean, if you opened up which we had a

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little bit of experiments for four years, and borders, everybody

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came rushing in as many people as we could get here,

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as fast as they could in order to partake in this,

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you know, American dream. So we have more people wanting

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to come to America than go to anywhere else that

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I'm aware of.

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And here's the Irony Bill. The Democrat Party, by design

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and strategy, acted unconstitutionally and against laws passed through constitutional

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process to allow fifteen to twenty million people into this country,

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hoping to turn them into socialists based on dependency on

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government rather than rather than the promise for which they came,

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which is opportunity to be free and be prosperous. They're

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banking on them becoming dependent.

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How many of those can we turn around, Richard, to

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give them a chance at the bite of the big apple,

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be able to say, hey, look at you could be

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the best version of yourself if you do it the

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American way, if you want to do it the way

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the Democrats and Joe Biden wanted to be, well, then

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you are going to be mediocritized and you're going to

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be less than what you desire for yourself and your family.

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That was really well put. What you will be is

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what they tell you to be, right, not what you

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bring yourself up to be. Very different sorts of futures

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in the Democrat Party. Unless you're a Democrat, you don't

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go anywhere.

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Yeah, and even more so now that the party has

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been hijacked by the socialists. I mean these people, I

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mean it's a meaning I say. These people they didn't

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they didn't even have the courage to start their own party.

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They went out and stole one, they apprehended the Democratic Party.

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That is so telling, Thank you, Bill, that's I got

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to use that because it's very true. They don't create

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anything themselves, not even their own political party. They live

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off parasitically. Yes, first it'll be the Democrat Party, then

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it'll be they will live off the fruits of capitalism

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not create those fruits, right, They want to siphon the

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money to create power for themselves over the economy and

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then be able to tell us what we can and

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can't create, what we can and can't consume, what we

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can buy and can't buy in their little grocery store.

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Did you I I just read a story bill that

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these democrats socialists are going to all the little groceries

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in New York City and the bodegas and asking them

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how they succeed, so they can first they can replicate it,

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then they can take all their suppliers and starve them out.

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It's really something. But they are exactly correctly said they're parasitic.

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They can't even start their own political party.

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You see, the big difference between the owners of the

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bodegas and the Mamdanis of the world and the socialists

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is they don't want to work that hard, Richard. I mean,

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these owners of bodega's, they are the heart and soul

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in the epitome of Americanism.

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They work in exceptionalism, right.

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They work. They're open from six am to ten pm.

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I mean that's a long day.

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You're exactly right. These are the persons who came here

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and wanted the op opportunity.

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And willing to do whatever it takes to do that.

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But you get mom Donnie, who's been raised, you know,

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by his parents. I mean, I don't know, is this

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the first home he's actually lived in on his own,

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his home?

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I know, I know, but I mean it's still exactly.

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And then you've got you know, a mayor up in Seattle,

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and it's like this is. And now you've got some

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of these you know, elected, not elected, but they they've

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won their primaries.

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And one of the women.

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She's she's been in education. I mean, she hasn't done

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anything outside of education. She's been in school for twelve years.

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But this is where the man, the president who began

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socialism in America was Woodrow Wilson, and he his whole

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life was spent on college campuses, right, He was the

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president of Princeton, So he was an educator all of

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his life, but not in reality. And I think I

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think you're right that the owner of the Bodiga has

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more education and reality in one day's work, and a

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lot of these people have in their whole lives. Because

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it's nice to you know, to work with theory and

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there's a place for that. But there's common sense and

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practical on your feet, you know, working for a living.

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Well.

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You know, when you bring up an excellent point here

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regarding theory. I used to say this about Barack Obama,

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that he lived in the world of theory, and it

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was like, where's the evidence, where's the empirical data that

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demonstrates that your theory is solid, that you're going to

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take over a fifth of the economy with a medical

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program that on its face is unsustainable, and especially the

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way you're presenting it, I mean to the point that

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you know, even Joe Wilson had a guttural response. If

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you remember during the State of the Union, when Barack

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Obama was, you know, lying to the American people and

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he couldn't help himself. It just came and goes, that's

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a lie. And of course, you know Wilson got chastised

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for it. But the fact of the matter there is is

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that after everything was all said and done, Joe Wilson

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said the truth.

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Barack Obama lied.

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Richard Well, he lied about a number of things. That

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you could keep your doctor, you could keep your insurance company.

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But what happened was that the government got into healthcare

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to a degree that now you have institutional bureaucracies that

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are so full of people that doctors can't function exactly

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because you have insurance companies telling him they have to

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do this one, A, B and C.

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I mean, if somebody comes in with a sore throat,

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you have to consult a bureaucracy about what medicine they

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need or what tests they need to take, what the

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costs of the tests are. You are doing so much paperwork.

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I go to a hometown guy, I went to school

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with him in high school. He's the doctor here. He

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has one nurse and three women to take care of

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all the bookwork.

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Yeah.

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I mean that tells you what's going on the ratio there.

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And then the billing department. So three for compliance and

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one for billing, and one nurse. That's our that's our healthcare.

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And you've got a whole bureaucracy. What happens when government

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goes into a sector, bill prices go up, taxes go up,

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choices go down because they invaded a market that was

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once virtuous and self sustaining and clog it up with rules, regulations,

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and government red tape.

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Yeah.

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Well, case in point interesting you you mentioned your friend.

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I have a friend I went to high school with.

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He's my personal doctor. Yeah, a couple thousand miles away,

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but you know I've gone through the process with him.

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Thirty five forty percent of his billing is like you said,

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it's administrative costs, it's compliance, right, And and the deal

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is is that back in the old days, Back in

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the old days, I mean, you know, you could go

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in and you could get a you know, a service call.

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You could go to doctor apployment and it was around

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you know, fifty seventy five bucks. Now it's two hundred,

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you know, just walking in the door because of all

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the compliance in the regulations that are tied to it.

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And here's here's what I'm finding through you know experience, right,

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practical experience. When you go to a doctor, he's checking you,

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and he has certain symptoms, but then the government demands

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that you take you know, three or four tests that

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that doctor would not prescribe based on just common sense,

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but because he has to comply. You're getting an MRI

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or you're you're getting blood tests and you're analysis and whatever,

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but things unnecessary to your treatment that the doctor would

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not prescribe, but that the government demands, and so the

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cost of everything goes up. Our healthcare costs more than

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double the next nearest developed countries healthcare costs. So what

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they do, and this is perfect socialism. They have so

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damaged the marketplace that now they're saying it's not affordable.

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They say the only way to make it affordable is

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not to return to free enterprise, but to go to

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full out socialism.

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Single payer. That's what that was the design from day one. Richard,

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gotta leave it there, Okay, thank you so much, as always,

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Bill Martinez here with the crime expert and author Neils

523
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Grabilius joins us.

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Now.

525
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Hey, Misson Hill's how are we doing?

526
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I think I'm pretty good? Master martinech how are you? Hey?

527
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I'm doing terrific.

528
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You know post you know July fourth, but the two

529
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hundred and fiftieth celebration continues.

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Why not?

531
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I mean, if the Pride people can get a month,

532
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why can't we grab a month or two or maybe

533
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even a year.

534
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Why not?

535
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.319
Well, I mean they have Pride Season, Pride Day. You know,

536
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there's a Pride event in the men's room in Griffith

537
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Park after nine pm almost every day of the week,

538
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according to the Vice Squad.

539
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But what do I know in Martinez?

540
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:02.200
Well, yeah, exactly.

541
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.880
Well, you know, hey, for inquiring people, you know, it's

542
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somethings you don't need to answer.

543
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It's just rhetorical, right.

544
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I understand. I'll keep my mouth shut, mister Martinez, you don't.

545
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You don't have to admonish me further.

546
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.519
No, no, hey, i'd be the last one, I mean,

547
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.480
because otherwise we'll both get in trouble here real quick.

548
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.839
But hey, look at some things to catch up on.

549
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.759
You know, Nancy Guthrie's case in and out of the news.

550
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.279
It's just every time you hear about it's just heartbreaking.

551
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.119
But the latest is the FBI are pursuing I think

552
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:41.920
they've already arrested somebody regarding these illegitimate ransom demands. They're

553
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.960
finding out that they're not. But you know, Nils, maybe

554
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.680
you can help us out because what's being reported is like,

555
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.559
you know, the ransom demands were legitimate, you know, it

556
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.319
looked credible, and then now, yeah, the FBI is saying not.

557
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.599
So, I mean, what's the story here, really?

558
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.079
A friend of mine named Bill Martinez says, in the

559
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:09.920
absence of facts, opinions hold forth. So I always believed

560
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.440
that the ransom notes were bogus. I think at least

561
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.799
two people have been arrested for extortion for sending ransom

562
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.839
demands through the media. You're trying to use burner phones

563
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.880
and randomizers. One of them was even a former employee

564
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:31.319
of the State of California. And it is extortion. It's

565
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:36.519
not a joke. It's serious stuff, and it wastes law

566
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:43.039
enforcement resources that could be going elsewhere. My information from

567
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.079
sources in Pima County law enforcement is that it is

568
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.400
a technical investigation at this point, with them attempting to

569
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:59.079
separate some DNA profiles from those of Nancy Guthrie. There

570
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.799
was a blood trail out the front door. There's been

571
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.279
a lot of speculation about this character going in the

572
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.039
back door. If he went in the back door, he

573
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.039
wouldn't need to steal the camera, and there wouldn't have

574
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.920
been a blood trail at the front door.

575
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.759
Now we have.

576
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.200
Two possible scenarios here. My information from my Pima County

577
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.319
sources is that there was no break into the house.

578
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:23.599
Okay.

579
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.599
There is one media source saying that there was a

580
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.799
break in and it was through the back and that

581
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.400
the floodlights weren't working or something like that.

582
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:32.119
Okay.

583
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:38.799
I don't believe the ladder. I believe the former Nancy

584
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.599
Guthrie probably knew or thought she knew the man banging

585
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.440
on her door at one thirty in the morning. She

586
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.480
had all of her babies, she wasn't incapable of living

587
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.559
on her own, and she would have dialed nine one

588
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.960
one if a stranger was trying to get into her

589
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.359
house like one thirty in the morning.

590
00:32:58.759 --> 00:32:59.160
Okay.

591
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.519
And even though the Catalina Hills, you know, it's kind

592
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.799
of a nice area of two sonnets, not that isolated

593
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.160
from the rest of the city. Law enforcement can respond

594
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.559
very quickly to the Catalina Hills in my experience. So

595
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.119
what this points to his personal motive? This wasn't some

596
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.920
terrorism kidnapping for ransom.

597
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.839
Or a cartel gang.

598
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.400
Or something like the cartels would never do something like this,

599
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.359
kidnapping some old lady from it. When I hear that

600
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.880
in the media, you know, my head wants to blow

601
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.799
up build because those guys would never do anything to

602
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.599
bring undo law enforcement scrutiny to them. And on a

603
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.680
more basic level, it's unmanly. They'd never do it. They'd

604
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.920
never get caught doing it. And if they caught somebody

605
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.839
in the cartels or Mexican mafia or something like that

606
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.839
involved in something like that, it'd be a death sentence.

607
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.799
Nils, from what you're saying, if I'm deducing this correctly,

608
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.720
are you saying that maybe the footage of the guy

609
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:11.639
with the mask is more kind of an orchestrated situation,

610
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.360
because if she'd have known the person, the person wouldn't

611
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:16.480
have worn a mask.

612
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.320
I think that she thought she knew the person.

613
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.000
So maybe that guy was told what to say at

614
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.000
the door to get her to open the door.

615
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.519
Okay, as opposed to a visual Yes.

616
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.840
But the other thing is he's got his roscoe stuck

617
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.480
right in the front of his trousers an open carry.

618
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.000
If he was part of the criminal class, the traditional

619
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.280
criminal class, and he's out capering with a gun. He's

620
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.880
going to keep that gun concealed to the very moment

621
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.360
that he needs to use it, okay, because he doesn't

622
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.079
want to bring any law enforcement scrutiny on himself. Now,

623
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.559
Arizona is an open carry state, but if you're a

624
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.800
convicted felon, you can't open carry clothes, carry that sort

625
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.920
of thing. So your options are very different if you're

626
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.440
already convicted of a felony.

627
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.239
Yeah, but convicts, we know they don't need to hear

628
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.119
of the rules. You know what, I'm going to obey

629
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.000
your stinking laws. I don't need your stinking laws right right.

630
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.639
But at the same time, if you want to successfully

631
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.159
execute your crime, you keep your gun covered until you

632
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:19.960
need to use.

633
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:21.199
It, right exactly.

634
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.000
But you know, hey, look at maybe I didn't cover

635
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.159
my gun, but my face was covered right exactly.

636
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.599
And even though I quote unquote went in the back door,

637
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.079
I still had to remove the camera from the front.

638
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.760
Didn't just obscure it with a b with a bush

639
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.639
like at the beginning. He actually removed the camera, which

640
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.800
tells me it's a fair amount of sophistication as to

641
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.679
knowing what he was going to encounter in terms of

642
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.039
security at that house, So it looks like personal set

643
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:51.480
up to me.

644
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.760
Well, Nils, I tell you, from day one, I've always

645
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.599
thought this had to be a bit of an inside job.

646
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.920
I think there's some part of the inside story that

647
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.599
we're not getting that's being kept from us. And but

648
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.880
it just seems like like everything And you know you've

649
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.000
been you've been studying this all your life, and you

650
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.679
will have forgotten more than I could ever learn on

651
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.400
this deal. But I just I just have sensed, my

652
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.440
my spidy senses from day one is said that this

653
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.119
is something too close to home.

654
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.559
I think you're correct. And now think about what a

655
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:35.880
hone chiz Bill. It's it's our emotional reaction to a fact,

656
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:41.559
a statement, or a piece of information that hits us

657
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:42.440
the wrong way.

658
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.280
Yes, that's that's what a home chi is.

659
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.519
Right, And it seems like there's lots of lots of

660
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.920
incoming that have come into our minds that just you

661
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.000
can't reconcile it.

662
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.119
I agree.

663
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:05.199
It is my belief that the Tucson law enforcement people

664
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.239
will solve this with the aid of the FBI. Honus

665
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.599
will be solved, her remains will be found. I don't

666
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.079
believe she she depoted that that location alive.

667
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.320
I think she was killed.

668
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:24.519
Well, I guess uh, well, in some sense, uh.

669
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.880
That would be a relief to the Guthrie family if

670
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.000
that was the case, that it was sooner not later,

671
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.079
that she was tortured in some sort of extreme manner.

672
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.599
And maybe, you know, the.

673
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.960
Other possibility you've talked about it that this was a

674
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:47.000
kidnapped for ransom gone wrong, that something happened that that

675
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.880
you know, caused her demise to happen premeditatively.

676
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.960
If I'm saying that that's that's a possible, prematurely prematurely

677
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:56.559
is a better word.

678
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.599
Not premab Prematurely, I consider kidnapping for them to be

679
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.599
incredibly remote. Yeah, you know, they'd have to have really

680
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.079
good inside information, a good plan, that sort of thing.

681
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.920
Now they planned well enough that they've been able to

682
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.320
invade identification and location thus far.

683
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.480
But I don't think that that will go on forever.

684
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.400
That do you kind of feel like maybe the news

685
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:26.320
is tightening around the evidence here in such a way

686
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:31.480
that this could possibly be exposed maybe before the end

687
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:31.920
of the year.

688
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:34.760
Potential exists.

689
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.039
The people in the Bureau who handle scientific investigation are

690
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.920
very closed mouth. They have to be, and you know

691
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.760
their investigation is mostly air tight at this point.

692
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.440
The Pima County people, I get more from them. They're

693
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:52.239
the ones.

694
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.400
Telling me that it is a technical investigation at this point,

695
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.960
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696
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.800
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775
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You know, just to put a bow around this, Nils

776
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when we're talking, you know, a technical investigation.

777
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.199
I think that's the word you use, right, is that? Okay? Exactly?

778
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:34.320
What what does that mean?

779
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.679
Let's say you come to a crime scene and you

780
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have DNA profiles for four people in there intermixed. So

781
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if you have blood on blood, spit on spit urine

782
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.679
on urine, semen on semen, things like that, it can

783
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.239
take quite a bit of scientific resources to separate the

784
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.840
DNA profiles, especially if one of them is only trace

785
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.760
rather than fulsome like a blood trail. That's an example,

786
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:07.760
and I'm not saying that that's what's occurring here now

787
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.000
in the realm of cellular metadata. This gets out into

788
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.880
the weeds of something I will characterize as radio electronic combat.

789
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.000
I had to take a week of radio electronic combat

790
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.719
in the Army and it was all AMFM, voice, radios,

791
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:31.039
noncommunication signals, that sort of thing, and it was the boringest,

792
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.079
driest subject.

793
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.039
In the world.

794
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.320
Well, you need to have a technical guy who can

795
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:41.079
separate all of the cellular telephone signals that night, and

796
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.960
then try to attribute a cellular telephone signal to a

797
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.920
perpetrator or a group of perpetrators. Now, the way that

798
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.039
a crime of this is like this is typically perpetrated.

799
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:58.000
They conduct reconnaissance, which in the criminal world is called casing.

800
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.280
Casing the job, whether it's for burglary or robbery or kidnapping,

801
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.559
a murder, whatever, They're going to look at the place

802
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.599
they have to go. They know the way in, they

803
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.360
know their way out. If their professional criminals are going

804
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:16.480
to have some cover for status, cover for action, if

805
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.400
they're contacted by law enforcement. You know, all of these

806
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:25.800
things go into the planning of criminal behavior. Now, I

807
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.719
continue to believe that this was a very well executed

808
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.760
crime done by an amateur or somebody with not that

809
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.079
much criminal experience. Okay, just simply because of the way

810
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:40.239
the gun was carried.

811
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:42.400
Hy ah.

812
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.320
I don't believe any of these ransom demands. I think

813
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.199
this was all personal motive.

814
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.599
Personal motive, like he was getting back maybe Nancy Guthrie

815
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.519
or her daughter ticked off somebody.

816
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.320
That exists within the realm of possibility, right. The other

817
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.119
possibility is something a little bit more immediate and close,

818
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.840
and I don't want to get into accusing somebody. What

819
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.880
if one sibling wanted to accelerate his inheritance or her inheritance.

820
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.400
Savannah Gothri has all the money in the world, Okay.

821
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.119
The brother Cameron, I believe, is a retired Navy or

822
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:30.760
Air Force fighter pilot. Okay, less of a motive for him,

823
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.280
and I will leave it at there. There's a third

824
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.320
sister with a husband who's an educator I believe, an

825
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.920
immigrant from Italy, that sort of thing. There are a

826
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.840
lot of different possibilities here, and I would be going

827
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.880
off into something speculative and irresponsible and potentially libelous if

828
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.000
I took you a much further.

829
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.119
Well, let's leave it there.

830
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.920
But I appreciate what you're saying because you know the

831
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.920
whole technical aspect. I mean, these people that that exceed

832
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:06.320
in this discipline, wow, I mean they they are of

833
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.519
a unique mindset, as you say, because this is very

834
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.440
tedious to be able to, you know, to unwind this

835
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:16.320
ball of yarn.

836
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.480
Right, it's a needle in a needlestack rather than a

837
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.559
needle in a haystack.

838
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.000
Would be easy in comparison.

839
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:28.679
Right, exactly, Well, let's talk about the pelosis. Paul Pelosi

840
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.920
still having a hard time driving. He got cited for

841
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:34.800
a hit and run his latest episode.

842
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.199
Huh.

843
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.119
Well, even at his advanced age, Paul hasn't figured out

844
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.840
what you do when you hit somebody else's car. Do

845
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:47.119
you leave a note under the windshield wiper saying gosh, sorry, stranger,

846
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.119
I clipped your car. I hope I didn't do that

847
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.199
much damage. Would you please call me and let me

848
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.079
know what I can do to set this right. Well,

849
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.679
Paul didn't do that. Paul just left the scene. Okay,

850
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.719
you know, the hit and split as it's golden California,

851
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.039
seems to be like a bronze medal event in the

852
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.119
Democrat Olympics. What the hell do I know?

853
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:09.400
Bill?

854
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.519
Okay, it's a big problem, and I often get these cases.

855
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:14.920
And in fact, in the last.

856
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.400
Loan Man, I detail a hit and run case with

857
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.960
the guy who was drunk worked at a hospital.

858
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:22.960
Put a put put a woman.

859
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.519
I injured her so badly that she got taken to

860
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.639
the emergency room of the hospital at which he was employed.

861
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.039
But he covered his tracks pretty good, except for leaving

862
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:36.639
his trunt bumper with the license plate at the scene

863
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.159
for and the police were so you know, busy doing

864
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.480
other things they didn't even bother themselves with it. So

865
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.960
it was if it fell to the private detective to

866
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.880
handle what the police detectives were, you know, doing other things.

867
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.360
On Can you imagine how silly that must have been.

868
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.679
It is like, you know, here they are doing all

869
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.639
this investigation, trying to figure out and then a private

870
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.000
detective comes in and goes, hey, let about this bumper

871
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.280
in the license plate.

872
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.000
Do you think that might have any relevance whatsoever.

873
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.440
Well, they didn't even investigate it.

874
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.119
They sent a patrol unit over to take a report,

875
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.960
and the tow truck cleaned up the scene, and they

876
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.519
left the bumper in the gutter, and I found it.

877
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:16.639
That's what I did.

878
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.239
They left the bumper in the.

879
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:26.960
Gutter, right, so I decoded the if you're a civilian,

880
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.159
this happens to you, the police are forbidden by policy

881
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.039
from identifying who hits you, hit your car, put you

882
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.159
in the hospital. We could never do that, We couldn't

883
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.159
violate their privacy, right, So you have to hire somebody

884
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.400
like me to handle the situation. So I went over

885
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.559
and knocked on his door, and he still had booze

886
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.960
on his breath and was shaky at you know, eleven

887
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.519
thirty in the morning, and I said, the woman that

888
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:56.559
you hit is in the eer at the hospital you

889
00:49:56.679 --> 00:50:02.000
used to work at. I took a tape re cooded

890
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.000
confession from him.

891
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.039
Now, when you do that, you have to miranda. I

892
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.639
just curious question you. You're not an official and a

893
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.000
law enforcement officer, so you don't have to give him

894
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:16.880
a miranda.

895
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:18.440
You don't have to mirandize him.

896
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:18.559
Do you?

897
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.800
Under certain circumstances I must, oh. I like if a

898
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.360
government entity puts me on the job. Occasionally I will

899
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.239
have a police agency deputized me to do what they

900
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.039
cannot do or must not do. And when I'm working

901
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.119
under those circumstances, I always mirandize them.

902
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.039
Okay, Oh so so even in that case, as you're

903
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.679
holding up the bumper with his license plate, you go,

904
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.039
you pull out your cheat sheet and read him his

905
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.079
miranda rights. Right.

906
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.719
I didn't have to read him his rights, hunta.

907
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.400
I just said, you know, you used to work at

908
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.400
the hospital, So let's get this all squared away. The

909
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.599
best way to do this is to be fearless and

910
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.760
thorough from the very start. You know, try to start

911
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.760
your life over because you did something and they never

912
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.679
filed felony charges on him. Only wound up with was

913
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.360
losing his job in a lawsuit.

914
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.559
Oh wow, crazy. So for Paul Pelosi, I mean for

915
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.039
him to leave the crime. You don't know if he

916
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.079
was drunk, you know what his blood level was at

917
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.320
this point right now, I mean, he's walked away with

918
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.199
evidence of a crime.

919
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:33.360
Right still illegal though in California. Bill, Let's break it

920
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:38.360
down for the audience. What's really illegal in California? Ltting

921
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.599
fireworks on fourth of July, being disrespectful to Karen Bass,

922
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:47.920
making a Gavo del Tardo Gavin Knew some joke, what's illegal?

923
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:49.400
And beating up men in skirts?

924
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.480
Tell me what's illegal in California? Bill, I'll listen patiently

925
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:53.880
and wait.

926
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.119
Well, whatever the residing district attorney says says is illegal,

927
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.000
it seems like, yeah.

928
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.480
I mean there's some there's some potential there. I bet

929
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:04.880
that san fran Nan will have a fix for this.

930
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.519
You know, well she got she was able to get

931
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.679
him out of the other one, and uh, you know,

932
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:13.920
and I still don't know that story. That's got to

933
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.400
be a fun story to decipher at some point down

934
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.840
the road how this guy comes into his house and

935
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.400
and supposedly is beating him over the head with a hammer.

936
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.880
I don't just sounds out.

937
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.880
Of talking about the illegal alien from Canada, right exactly

938
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.360
in the city where illegal aliens had a problem. Well

939
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.400
that was the onlook. He has to illegal alien in

940
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.440
the history of illegal aliens in San Francisco.

941
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.079
Right right.

942
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:43.599
So I wonder if he's getting any kind of special

943
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.119
Pelosi treatment there because he took a bullet for the team.

944
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:49.360
What it's hard to say.

945
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.400
It's hard to say, do you think they'll deport that

946
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.480
in an illegal alien?

947
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.119
Well, he's right where they want him right now. He's

948
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.440
locked up and quiet. He's not doing any TMZ interviews.

949
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.920
Oh by the way, hey, speaking of Karen Bass, this

950
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.360
is this whole deal so bewildering, especially in light of

951
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.320
all the talk about socialism. What's happened with these candidates,

952
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.760
these socialists, candidates from the Democratic Party that are winning

953
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:23.000
these primary running runs in that and you've got, you know,

954
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.360
so many problems in Los Angeles and Karen Bass, of course,

955
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:29.880
the big issue is homelessness. The thing that she said

956
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.840
four years ago she's going to have it sculled under control.

957
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.360
She's going to take it, you know, take it by

958
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.239
the horns and fix this problem. And here it is

959
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.719
four years later. It's worse than what it was before

960
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:43.039
she was elected the first time.

961
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.400
Yes, well, she's not going to do anything other than talk.

962
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:53.079
She's going to count on certain segments of the California

963
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.960
political media to drive her getaway car while she tries

964
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.920
to fight off the communists. She's a communist. Well, the

965
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:08.000
worst communist is Nithia Ralman. So the communists running all

966
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.320
of the homeless angos, the drug treatment angios, all of

967
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.559
this that federal money that they get, the state money

968
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.119
that's cryptocurrency for those people. And they're going to make

969
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:25.519
sure that every dead body, cartoon character, house, pet, wino, junkie,

970
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:31.519
bum hype, et cetera, turns in a perfectly executed ballot

971
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.880
at the very last minute, just like in the primary.

972
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.400
And I'm going to say right here, I think Nathia Ralman's.

973
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:38.400
Going to win.

974
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.760
Really that could be interesting.

975
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.760
I think it'll be wildly amusing. I mean, look at

976
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.840
Mom Donkey, Stan, Look at what Mom Donkey did in

977
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:56.239
New York. And now he's got a bunch of flaming socialists,

978
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.119
outright communists running for office. You know, you've got the

979
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:07.519
governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, trying to libsplain the communists.

980
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.440
They don't want to offend these Jacobins in the Democrat Party,

981
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.639
so they won't stand up to them yet. But they're

982
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.199
going to have to because their voters are going to

983
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.800
start going over a little bit at a time to

984
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:21.480
the GOP.

985
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:26.159
If the GOP can mind itself right now.

986
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.400
But you know, the way that they have effectively suppressed

987
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.280
the vote that you have, like in New York, you know,

988
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.880
people being elected with what twelve to fifteen percent of voters.

989
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.079
I mean, LA is going to be the same thing.

990
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:40.760
I mean, the.

991
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.039
Vote is so suppressed, I think you'd probably be lucky

992
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.079
to get twenty percent of the voters.

993
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:47.239
Do you think.

994
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.719
I'm excited? You know, Remind me what it is that

995
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.400
I do for a living. Oh, that's right. I solved problems,

996
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:01.079
right and his problems? Do I solve the people who

997
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.320
voted their way into the problems that they loved so

998
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.679
much that they virtually signaled over prior to getting victimized

999
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:08.719
by their own ballot.

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Well, I'll tell you to be continued no doubt. Neils

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It's my sincere pleasure. Mister Martinez.

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Right now, I'm glad you could join us.

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We've got Trevor Lauden with us, the New Zealand author, researcher, speaker,

1032
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and political activists. It's been Trevor who has been shouting

1033
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.719
from the timbers at least for a decade and a

1034
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.760
half that the socialists are coming. Well, guess what they are.

1035
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.440
No longer an existential threat, as Trevor has been.

1036
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:04.920
Saying, they've been living amongst us.

1037
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:10.800
They have borne down into institutions, including elected officers, and

1038
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they came out loud and proud last night, Trevor.

1039
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:21.280
They certainly did in New York across the state to two. Well,

1040
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.519
they basically run won three congressional primaries, so there'll be

1041
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.519
three more of them in office probably after November, plus

1042
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.320
several state Assembly seats, as a state Senate seat and

1043
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.159
others around New York.

1044
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.320
But that's just capping off a whole run.

1045
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:49.280
The one seats in Albertquerque and at Los Angeles Portland, Oregon, Minnesota, Detroit,

1046
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.760
you name it, all over the country. There's now hundreds

1047
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.440
of them in office around the country.

1048
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.880
Right, I mean, think about that, hundreds in office now

1049
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.480
and growing, and it's like we've got mom Danni's sprouting

1050
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.920
out all over the place. But not a big surprise

1051
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.800
for you. You've been warning us on that, like I said,

1052
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.199
at least for a decade and a half.

1053
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:11.920
Yes I have.

1054
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:14.000
And by the way, I didn't mention they also won

1055
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:18.039
the DC mayoralty and one DC council seat as well.

1056
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:23.800
But yes, a decade and I'll follow Democratic Socialist America

1057
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.480
for nearly twenty years now, and we need to understand

1058
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:31.280
that this is just the latest iteration. It was the

1059
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.599
founder of DSA, a guy called Michael Harrington who wrote

1060
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.559
the blueprint of the Great Society back in the nineteen

1061
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:45.079
sixties that massively expanded welfare in this country and destroyed

1062
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:46.639
families all over the place.

1063
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:47.920
Under Lyndon Johnson.

1064
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:53.880
Was DSA through Quentin Young, Obama's personal physician, who gave

1065
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:58.519
us Obamacare. It was DSA through Alisao Medina that gave

1066
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.559
us illegal immigration amnesty, you know, the push for legal

1067
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:03.639
immigration amnesty.

1068
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:07.320
So what we see now is the damage they have

1069
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.840
done in the past, but this is going to be

1070
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:09.599
on steroids.

1071
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.119
They are really making a big push here to fully

1072
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.400
take over the Democratic Party and to basically destroy this country.

1073
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.079
Well, they really have taken over the Democratic Party.

1074
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.079
You've got AOC, you've got Bernie Sanders now that have

1075
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:28.880
put their stake into this party and looks like they're

1076
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.960
going to have total control. And I think, on one

1077
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.400
hand and a strategic end and I was discussing this

1078
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:38.119
with somebody else earlier, Trevor, is that the way they

1079
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.559
came in, it wasn't like they created a whole new party.

1080
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:45.639
They came in and overtook the Democratic Party. And so

1081
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.159
they present the illusion as if it is still a

1082
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.559
Democratic Party, but it's not. The Democratic Party and the

1083
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:56.000
Democratic Socialist Party are antithical, are they not?

1084
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.159
Well, the Democratic Party's been moving to the lyft. The

1085
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:05.639
DSA is communist, yes, you know, they are a communist organization.

1086
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.199
They have so that they this is a communist organization

1087
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:15.320
taking over the Socialist Democratic Party. So yeah, it's a

1088
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.800
it's a big lurch to the left, and it's it's

1089
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.320
patchy around the country, but the main place is Los Angeles, Chicago,

1090
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.760
New York, Washington, d C. These are Boston. These are

1091
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:34.639
all heavily influenced by DSA now plus many many other centers.

1092
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.079
But the other thing is they control a union movement,

1093
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:42.880
They control groups like Indivisible, they control the US Left,

1094
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.880
the Sunrise Movement, people like this Working Families Party.

1095
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:48.280
This is all part of a whole.

1096
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:52.000
But the point we have to understand is these people

1097
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:56.719
are tied to the Chinese, the Cubans, and European and

1098
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.920
Latin American communists. This is part of an internetational movement

1099
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:03.320
to take down the United States.

1100
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.960
Where else is this taking place besides the United States?

1101
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.639
Trevor Well, It's already taken place in Brazil. Brazil was

1102
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.800
a big model for this under LULAA, the Marxist, and

1103
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:18.400
it was Lula that set up the sle Polo Forum,

1104
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:23.079
a gathering of Latin American communist parties with Fidel Castro. Well,

1105
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.440
DSA is now an associate member of that organization, which

1106
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:31.320
which was specifically set up to recover for communism in

1107
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:36.119
Latin America while was lost in Eastern Europe. So it's

1108
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:40.239
happening in Canada, it's happening in Australia, it's happening in

1109
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.840
the United States and in Britain, where the Communist Party

1110
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.719
is very strong in the British Labor Party, and a

1111
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.559
new pro communist leader is just about to take over

1112
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.719
British Labor, a guy called Andy Burnham. So this is

1113
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.199
happening in most of the Western countries, most of Western Europe,

1114
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:02.159
and all of the pretty much all of the Anglo

1115
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.320
sphere except for New Zealand right now.

1116
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:09.199
And it would seem that what is consistent in these

1117
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.800
areas that you've just cited, all dealing with immigration issues,

1118
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.559
all dealing with you know, all kinds of ideas and

1119
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:18.400
not enough money.

1120
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.360
Yeah, well that's right, and you mentioned immigration. Immigration is

1121
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:29.519
the key weapon for destroying the conservative voting base and

1122
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:34.360
all of the Anglo sphere. You know, the Australian Marxist

1123
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.239
leader Anthony Alberanesi who now runs a place, you know,

1124
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.199
he was elected by the Communist Party of China. Essentially

1125
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.800
they have he caught. The Communist Party of China called

1126
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:49.960
on Australian Chinese to vote for Albanesi and they want

1127
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.840
several key electorates for him. The influence of China and

1128
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.880
Canada as extreme now they are, you know, dictating their

1129
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.119
comes of elections all over the place, and in places

1130
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:07.280
like California, the influence of Chinese is very strong. As

1131
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.400
in New York, where you'll find DSA is very strong,

1132
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.679
you also find the Chinese are very strong San Francisco,

1133
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:20.840
Los Angeles, New York, Boston. These go together hand in hand.

1134
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:26.840
But we've got to understand DSA is an agency of

1135
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:32.360
foreign powers. It is a tool of the Chinese and

1136
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:37.280
foreign communists. And one of the main way this is

1137
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.480
playing out right now is that DSA is leading the

1138
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:44.960
charge against data centers all over the United States. You know,

1139
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:49.360
big AI centers, Begause and I understand people's concerns about these.

1140
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:53.079
People are concerned about their privacy, they're concerned about resources

1141
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.400
being used up. But the battle to shut these down

1142
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.280
is being led by DSA because DSA is doing on

1143
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.920
behalf of the Chinese exactly because because the war for

1144
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.639
the twenty first century in the next century is going

1145
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.079
to be fought on AI and Trump has made it

1146
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.800
very clear America has to win this, and we don't

1147
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.719
win it, China will and they will dominate the planet.

1148
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:20.159
So DSA is out there right now trying to retard

1149
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:25.719
America's development of AI as much as it possibly can

1150
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:27.679
because they are working for the enemy.

1151
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:29.079
Yeah, exactly.

1152
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.039
You know, people may think, well, you know, I'm not

1153
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:35.440
seeing a lot of Chinese around. How are they able

1154
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.679
to leverage so much influence and power? We see what

1155
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.880
they've done in media, in sports and other areas. But

1156
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.880
I say, look, look at the example of what happened

1157
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:49.480
in Minneapolis. You've got eighty thousand Somalis there, Trevor that

1158
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:53.719
have basically taken over that city and ultimately the state.

1159
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.119
Eighty thousand is a voting block. So it doesn't take

1160
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.599
a lot of people in order to wield this kind

1161
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:03.119
of influence in power, does it.

1162
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:04.440
No, it doesn't.

1163
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.079
Well, look in San Francisco, they have a group called

1164
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:11.320
the Chinese Progressive Association, which works as the agency for

1165
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.880
the Chinese Communist Party. But you cannot get elected to

1166
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:19.519
the San Francisco San Francisco City Council without the blessing

1167
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:24.840
of the Chinese Progressive Association. Now they have expanded that

1168
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.280
influence that they started in San Francisco into Sacramento, into

1169
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:35.119
la and also into Washington, d C. Through Nancy Pelosi

1170
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.880
and many other people, and Gavin Newsom of course, but

1171
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:43.599
they also The Chinese Progressive Association also runs major voter

1172
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:49.599
registration organizations and all of the key swing states through

1173
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:53.679
a group they started called Seed the Vote. They also

1174
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.960
started Black Lives Matter too, by the way, but the

1175
01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:59.920
Seed the Vote claims they won six of the seven

1176
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sites stays targeted in twenty twenty for Biden Harris, and

1177
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they did so.

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There is an exaust and see.

1179
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The Vote is staffed largely by Democratic Socialists of America members,

1180
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.440
but it's a Chinese operation.

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We're talking about Trevor Ludman, the New Zealand author, researchers, speaker,

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and political activists.

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Yeah.

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I mean they're bringing in the numbers. It's concentrated, it's focused,

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and they're overwhelming this democratic republic. You know, So what

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should be the strategy of fair minded Americans who are

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looking at the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, you know,

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less than two weeks away, and we're realizing the warning

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of one Ronald Reagan that said that you know, democracy

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is you know, we're one generation from losing you know,

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our liberties and our democracy.

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Well, look, this is going to take well, it's going

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to take our action, grassroots people getting behind making sure

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that the Democrats are defeated in the midterm elections. That's

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essential because if they win and they win the presidency,

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the illegal immigration pipeline starts all up again, the borders

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fly open again. More Muslim immigration in America's finished, you know,

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it's gone.

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But it's also going to take federal action.

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Now.

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I just noted that one of the leader of the

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Antifa group that attacked an ICE facility in Texas some

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time ago just got one hundred years jail, one hundred

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years jail, or as co conspirators got between thirty and

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fifty year terms. We got to get serious about going

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after DSA for their legal activities, for their work for

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foreign powers, and we've got to start prosecuting these people

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actually make this is the modern Communist Party. And we

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know the Communist Party worked for the Soviet Union. They

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had four hundred agents in the Roosevelt administration who did

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all sorts of sabotage on this country. Set up the

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United Nations, Goddessons of the World Monetary Fund, all this

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kind of garbage it was still suffering from today. These

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people are actively committing trees and against the United States,

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and we need to be setting up hearings to investigate

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these people and treat them as the communist foreign backed

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communists that they are. So's it's the local people have

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got to defend their own turf. They got to get

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educated on DSA. They've got to make sure these people

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don't get elected. But we do need federal action. We

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need to treat this as a as a as a

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national security threat, which it is.

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Well, I think some of the inherent problem for the

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masses is Trevor, they don't understand democratic socialist. It sounds

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it's uh, you know, it just sounds you know, well,

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it's you know, like it's Democratic Party related, and they're confused.

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They don't get it.

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I mean, it's almost like we need to retitle the

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d essay to the democratic Communists.

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Yeah, yeah, we need to brand them as Look, they

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say it themselves that they are communists. You know, the

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difference between democratic socialism and communism is essentially three to

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five years.

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Yes, that's what it is.

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And look, they have cross membership with the Communist Party USA.

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And Liberation Road, the Freedom Road socialist organization. They have

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several communist groups operating within their ranks. They have a

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Communist caucus. One of their co leaders as a member

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of that. As I've said, they work with Brazilian Communists,

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European Communists, Chinese communists. They have very deep connections to

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01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:30.119
the Cuban Communists now very deep, and the Venezuelan Communists

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as well, all enemies of America they work with. So

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we need to be going after these people in prosecuting

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them as acting as unregistered agents of foreign powers, for espionage,

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01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:47.640
for subversion. Several of their look One of their members

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served fifteen seventeen years in jail for spying for the

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Soviet Union in East Germany. Was prosecuted in the nineties,

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01:15:56.680 --> 01:16:00.399
got out of jail straight back into DSA. Now he's

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a leader of the Washington DC branch. They took him

1338
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:09.319
straight back. A convicted traitor who sold military secrets to

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01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:14.439
our enemies was welcomed back into DSA. God called Kurt Stand,

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him and his wife and his buddy. Three of them

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01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:24.319
all got prosecuted, all got fifteen to twenty one years jail,

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but Kurt Stand was allowed straight back, and as was

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his daughter.

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She's in DSA as well.

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Yeah, the character of these people is so noted. Even

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Mike Johnson was speaking about it in saying that you've

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got the one bang in California refuses to say the

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pledge of allegiance. You've got Hemingway out of New Jersey

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01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:50.760
ties to al Qaeda and other terrorists.

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Chevalier wants to abolish the border. Mendoza Arizona, decriminalized trans prostitution,

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01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:03.960
whatever that is. James and Iowa wants to apologize for

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being white in Garyott and Iowa performed a Satanist wedding.

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These are anti American.

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People, and this is what we've been saying on the show,

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01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:15.840
is that you need to look at it through the

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prism of either their pro American or the anti American.

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And the good news is, you know, here for many years,

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like you say, almost twenty years, Trevor, you've been yelling

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from the timbers about democratic socialists that were in our government,

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but they kept themselves in the closet. Now because of

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Mam Donnie, I guess we can be grateful for Mam

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Donnie getting elected in New York.

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They're loud and proud and they're out of the closet

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full blown.

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Well, absolutely that.

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I got four members on the Alla City Council, four

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01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:51.560
on the Portland, Oregon City Council, hundreds of state legislators, reps,

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01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:55.000
school board members, several members in Congress. They should have

1369
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.560
up to maybe eight to ten members of Congress. And

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01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:02.800
the next and the next session, you know, probably Cory

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Bush out in Missouri, may Vang who just mentioned out

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01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:12.560
in the Sacramento who wouldn't support America they're talking about.

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01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:14.920
Their new policy has just come out. Abolished the Senate,

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01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:19.279
abolished the presidency, make Puerto Rico state, made Washington d

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01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:23.279
C estate. Why make Puerto Rico and Washington d C estate?

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01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:27.319
Because why make Washington d C and Puerto Rico states?

1377
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:31.760
Because that's two more left wing senators from each one,

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01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:36.720
which will give the Democrats, which are controlled by DSA,

1379
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:42.119
an unassailable majority. So you know, they're playing a very

1380
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.319
long strategic game. But the point I keep on emphasizing

1381
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:50.239
is they are foreign backed, they are foreign agents. This

1382
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:54.399
is not just an American phenomenon. This is an international

1383
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communist phenomena.

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01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:57.199
And people need to understand.

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01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:58.960
You know, if you want to know what somebody is

1386
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.600
going to do look what they've done, and the socialists

1387
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.520
are not concerned about the individual. You know, this is

1388
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.239
why Karen Basker care less what's happening in LA with

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01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:10.000
people that are suffering still without homes and may never

1390
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get home again, because she's a socialist. She's citing with

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01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.680
this group of people. But that's that's their nature. It's

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01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:22.279
not about the people. It's about power and control. It's

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about their infrastructure, right.

1394
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Exactly, It's all about Persi. Mandami right now is stacking

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as stacking the New York City government with hundreds of

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his people. So even if he's not the mayor the

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next the next, you know, we'll have the same thing.

1398
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.720
See David Dinkins back in the early nineties was also

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01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:50.159
a DSA member, and under Dinkins, he didn't enforce the laws.

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The streets were filthy. Times Square was full of prostitutes

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01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:58.119
and drug addicts, and the tourists stayed away. That was

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01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:03.840
New York's lowest point under a DSA mayor, and Giuliani

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01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:05.960
had to come and to fix it up. But look,

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01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:10.079
Mandami is ten times worse than Dinkins. This is way

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way bigger now. Back in those days, DSA was six

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thousand members. Now it's one hundred thousand members. You know,

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in the Los Angeles you mentioned Karen Bass very deeply

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tied to the Cubans, a former maroist, a former DSA

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supporter herself, and her main opponent is Nithia Rahman, who

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is a DSA member. So you got communists versus socialist

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01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:36.199
were he really got two communists on the bella exactly.

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Darryl Gates, who is the mayor of Los Angeles years

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are the police chief, a very good one, accused Karen

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Bass of running Cuban weapons to Los Angeles gangs back

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in the day, and now the woman is mayor. You know,

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can you believe that?

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You know?

1418
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.760
But the media is so weak and so compliant that

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the voters never this kind of stuff.

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And we had mount up and wake up here, Trevor.

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That's the call, right.

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It is, And you know it's been so Pratt was

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01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:13.720
loudly talking about DSA and his campaign against Karen Bass.

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But you know, nine points ahead in an election night,

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and now now he's out of the race because of

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the ballots that came. And this is what takes federal action.

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You cannot clean up the vote FORUDS. You cannot clean

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01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.600
up the corruption. You cannot clean up the socialism from

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California or from Illinois.

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You've got to do this federally.

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This is a federal problem and only the Feds can fix.

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This exactly Well, he's a New Zealand author, researcher, speaker,

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01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.920
and political activist. Trevor has always appreciate the time. Thank

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01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:48.479
you for being with us. Take care of God speed,

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01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:49.039
my friend.

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01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.199
You most welcome, Bill, Thank you very much.

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Streaming TV is where it's at. It's not about cutting

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the court anymore.

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That's all news.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Steve Bonta from

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The New American.

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01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.920
He's a publisher of the New American magazine. Hey, Steve,

1505
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:32.439
how you doing?

1506
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:32.880
Hey?

1507
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:33.640
Bill, how are you doing?

1508
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.159
Hey, I'm doing trip. Just a sidebar, by the way.

1509
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:40.600
The commemorative issue, I guess it's a collector's issue that

1510
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:42.920
you did on the Deep State, that your team did,

1511
01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:47.399
it's just absolutely outstanding. I've had more comments from friends

1512
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:51.000
in my circle that I've mentioned about what a great

1513
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:53.880
job you did in breaking down, you know, the history

1514
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.319
of the deep State and dealing with some of these

1515
01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.000
issues that some would consider as conspiratorial.

1516
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:01.239
Yes, well, thank you so much.

1517
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.279
We we aimed to please, and we felt that a

1518
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:07.399
thirty years was time to revisit the issue in a

1519
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:08.279
special issue so.

1520
01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:11.279
Well, and like you said, it's you know for people

1521
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:13.960
that you know think whenever you hear you know one

1522
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.319
right here there it is when you think about the

1523
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:20.920
illuminati and you know the roots of you know, the

1524
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:24.199
deep state, and really it just comes down to just

1525
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.159
comes down to who's who's got the money, right, Yeah, I.

1526
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:29.800
Mean, certainly money is a large part of it. There

1527
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:31.840
there are other issues as well, but yeah, I mean,

1528
01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.640
at some to some degree. I mean that the people

1529
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:38.880
who are the ultimate movers and shakers behind what we

1530
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:41.560
call the deep state, I think are perhaps maybe not

1531
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:46.039
a political but they're certainly driven by an ideology. I mean,

1532
01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:49.960
they're not without ideology. They have goals. They have an ideology,

1533
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:53.560
the ideology of power. I suppose that motivates them. So

1534
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.840
I mean, and this accounts for their their zeal and

1535
01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:59.760
their tenacity in trying to achieve those those goals, not

1536
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:04.359
just in a single country like the United States, but worldwide.

1537
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.760
You know, it's interesting because Democrats are always accused of,

1538
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.680
you know, being so interested in power and control, you know,

1539
01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:13.600
as Lindsey Graham would state it. But I got to

1540
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.079
tell you, the deep Stater ors make the Democrats look like,

1541
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.119
you know, their little pawns on a bigger chessboard.

1542
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:24.560
Well, sure, I mean the Democratic Party being I guess

1543
01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:28.199
what would have once been called the court faction. You know,

1544
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:31.119
it's the party whose whose raizone deetra is to defend

1545
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:36.680
the status quo and to follow power wherever it leads.

1546
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.880
And you know, the Republicans, until recently have been primarily

1547
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.079
the loyal opposition, have a different, different funct so they're

1548
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:45.520
you know, the Democratic Party, certainly in the United States

1549
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:52.000
is more sympathetic certainly to the aims of the globalists

1550
01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.800
and the radical left and the other main factions within

1551
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:58.279
this this you know, the deep state, the conspiracy, that's

1552
01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:04.319
that's trying to too radically overhaul the culture government and

1553
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:08.119
you know the totality of the United States and recondition

1554
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:11.560
it so that it will fit with a new world order.

1555
01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.720
I mean, that's a term people hear that can spirit

1556
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.520
That's actually the term that they've used for centuries to

1557
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:18.600
describe this utopian project.

1558
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:21.319
Yeah, because how many people are we talking, you know,

1559
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:25.199
maybe a thousand or so. Elites I mean uber elites

1560
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:30.199
that are very private and secretive, that are the lever pullers,

1561
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:35.039
as you say, looking in terms of an ultimate goal

1562
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.439
of global control and power.

1563
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.439
Right, I mean, it's I don't know how many there are.

1564
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:45.920
It's certainly a small minority of people, but actually there

1565
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:48.159
is a large I mean, there are different layers to

1566
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:49.560
it is. There are a large number of people who

1567
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:54.479
are ideological supporters in varying degrees. And it's hard to know,

1568
01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:56.399
you know, those who are at the apex of the

1569
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.399
power of power, so to speak, how many they may

1570
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:01.840
actually be. But they're certainly found all over the world,

1571
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:06.319
you know, and and and speak different languages and at

1572
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:11.079
least professedly belong to different you know, religions and cultures

1573
01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.199
and this kind of thing. But uh, but in their

1574
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:17.800
innermost convictions they are globalists. They don't they don't you know,

1575
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.399
those things are are just are just trappings are our

1576
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:24.520
you know, our superficialities, so you know, and and many

1577
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.960
of them probably are not household names. I mean we

1578
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.239
tend to say, oh, well, this billionaire or that politician,

1579
01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:31.720
those are those are the are the deep state. But

1580
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:35.119
a lot of them are people who are, uh, you know,

1581
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.560
perhaps not so well known to the general public or

1582
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:40.840
not at all who world power and and you know,

1583
01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:43.600
and characterizing it, I mean, I find the term deep

1584
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:48.520
state to be not misleading, but perhaps limiting, because it

1585
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:56.119
implies that at root this movement is is political and

1586
01:29:56.119 --> 01:29:57.800
and that's no more accurate than to say, well, it's

1587
01:29:57.800 --> 01:29:59.640
just a bunch of you know, central bankers, you know.

1588
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.359
I mean, that's part of it too. But it's not

1589
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:05.439
purely about money either. At route it is actually spiritual,

1590
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:10.680
and the political and the financial and the cultural ramifications

1591
01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:13.239
are are aspects of it. But rude, I mean, there's

1592
01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:16.039
there's a there's a powerful spiritual or dare I say,

1593
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:20.439
anti spiritual conviction among the people. And I mean one

1594
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:23.000
example of this, and this is not a contemporary figure,

1595
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.439
but someone who lived several hundred years ago is John D.

1596
01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:28.840
Most people have no idea. I mentioned John D and

1597
01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:30.359
one of my artor and most people have no idea

1598
01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.039
who this guy John D was. Well, I'll tell you

1599
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:38.640
he was. He was a practitioner of black magic, including necromancy,

1600
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:42.720
which is where you try to raise the dead black

1601
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.520
black magic. He actually did this with a guy named

1602
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:47.199
or tried to. I don't know how successful he was,

1603
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:50.760
but he he went into graveyards and tried to raise

1604
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:53.960
dead people and commune with spirits with an even more

1605
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:58.119
sinister character named Edward Kelly, who followed him around. He

1606
01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:01.520
was fascinated with all aspects of the occult. He say, okay, well,

1607
01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:03.479
he sounds like a really weird fringe character.

1608
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:04.760
Well.

1609
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:09.760
He was also a polymath at the apex of elizabethan

1610
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.359
England's you know, kind of not only academic but political scene.

1611
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:15.560
And he was a privy counselor to Queen Elizabeth the

1612
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.479
First and he was the guy who is credited with

1613
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.520
thinking up the idea of the British Empire. It was

1614
01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:24.960
his idea. He went to Elizabeth and said, you know,

1615
01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.560
here's what we need to do to change the world.

1616
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:30.439
We need to take all of these wonderful civilized laws

1617
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:32.640
and this whole system of British civilization and we need

1618
01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.279
to find a way to extend it worldwide, and we're

1619
01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:38.279
going to do this by you know, uh. And he

1620
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.600
proposed this this project, and so you can find that

1621
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:43.920
in Wikipedia. That's actually not secret. Most people are just

1622
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.239
unaware of the fact that the guy who thunk up

1623
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.680
the British Empire, one of the most consequential events of

1624
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:54.640
the last thousand years was this weirdoes. Yeah, so this

1625
01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:57.079
kind of shows and and and and and as his

1626
01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:58.880
motivation to this, I don't think it was you know,

1627
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:02.399
petty partisan politics or whatever was the equivalent thereof back

1628
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:05.199
in Elizabethan, England. It was it was owing to his

1629
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:09.359
spiritual views and in his case and many others like him,

1630
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.359
people who inclined towards the occult, this idea and the

1631
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:16.920
perfectibility of man, this idea that that we ourselves are

1632
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:20.159
capable of bringing about an earthly paradise. I mean that's

1633
01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.680
certainly the motive. That's that's what socialism is in a.

1634
01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:23.640
Fact, right exactly.

1635
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:27.359
Yeah, yeah, it's basically godless, I would think, even though

1636
01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:30.920
they may claim some sort of you know, religious ideology,

1637
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:36.359
but it is, you know, it seems to be humanistic

1638
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:40.159
more so. And as you mentioned, you know, they like

1639
01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.680
not having their names and lights. They don't want to

1640
01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:46.640
be noted figures, it would seem.

1641
01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:49.199
Yeah, And I mean, unlike in John D's day, were

1642
01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:52.159
some of these these these occult guys had sort of

1643
01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:54.800
rock star status because that was the age when things

1644
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:58.439
like alchemy were very celebrated. Still your latter day John

1645
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.880
D's are not you know, not the sort of people

1646
01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.840
that most people are aware of. I mean, probably the

1647
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.600
last such I would think would probably be probably Alistair Crowley,

1648
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:09.359
and he's of course been dead for a long time,

1649
01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:11.920
but he was kind of a celebrated cultist, and he

1650
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.079
was very influential politically too. He was he had his

1651
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:19.079
contacts in the highest, you know, corridors of power in

1652
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.279
both you know, Britain and the United States, and was

1653
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.319
highly and remains highly influential. I mean, certainly in the

1654
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:27.119
world of entertainment. It's it's hard to, you know, to

1655
01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.880
comb through much of the output of Hollywood without coming

1656
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.680
up with references to Alistair Crowley and to his exactly

1657
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:37.199
his beliefs so called Thelema and everything else his philosophy. So,

1658
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:39.640
you know, and then there are people like that today.

1659
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:41.239
Most of them are you know, are not not. I'm

1660
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:44.119
not saying they're all occultists like like Crowley, but I

1661
01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:47.199
am saying that, you know, I mean, Adolf Hitler once

1662
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:50.119
made a comment about Nazism. He said, people that look

1663
01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:52.880
at Nazism and I'm paraphrasing, but he said, people who

1664
01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:56.439
see Nazism as just a political movement don't understand what

1665
01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:58.920
it's about. And in that he was telling the truth,

1666
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:02.760
right because not season also originated as an occult movement.

1667
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:03.439
Uh.

1668
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:07.560
You know, the Tula Gazellschaft, which Hitler and all the

1669
01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:11.359
inner circle of the Nazi belonged to, wasn't a cult organization,

1670
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:13.479
and it was derived from what we would now call

1671
01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:15.720
the you know, the early New Age or you know,

1672
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:21.680
movement of the Theosophical Society, and you know Helena Plovotsky

1673
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:23.560
and any Bazant and all that crowd. You know, again,

1674
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:26.720
these are not necessarily household names anymore unless people into

1675
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:29.079
the occult, you know, which I do not recommend, by

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01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:32.800
the way. But the point being is that that again Nazism,

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01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:38.520
which was a terrible, enormously you know, uh, consequential part

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01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:42.119
of you know, the globalism in the mid twentieth century,

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01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:46.600
you know, and obviously rot Cheryl Havock was ultimately spiritual

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01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.319
in nature. And this is this is the important thing

1681
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:52.359
to bear in mind. These people are you know, some

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01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:54.279
of them, they may be atheistic, but they do have

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01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:58.479
their their their philosophy and their goals and and and

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01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.159
which animates them well.

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01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.560
And this is why they embraced, I believe, embraced in

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01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:08.880
part Darwinism. You know, so you know so how I

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01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:12.640
want to say, you know so easily, let's put it

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01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:13.000
that way.

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01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:16.439
Yeah, well, and many other things. It's one of the

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01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.479
reasons for their tremendous patience. I mean, you want to say, well,

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01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:22.560
you know, I I often hear the idea of conspiracy

1692
01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:25.319
debunked on more or less at this base. Rush Limbaugh

1693
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.359
used to do this. He used to say, well, you know,

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01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:31.279
it's impossible to keep a conspiracy secret, you know, these people.

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01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:34.760
And to an extent, he's right in the sense that

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01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:36.680
if you look out, if you look at the evidence,

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01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:39.920
it's not really that secret. You know, there are admissions

1698
01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:45.520
against interest, you know. Obviously Carol Quigley's book Tragedy and

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01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:48.399
Hope is a really good example of that. And and

1700
01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:49.920
but there are others as well. I mean, if you

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01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:52.680
can't read the writings of any of these prominent occult

1702
01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:56.880
people from John D. Onward without coming into, you know,

1703
01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:00.920
across references of a secret globally brotherhood. They call it

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01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:02.760
by different names, but they all have the same the

1705
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:05.399
same They say. The world is secretly controlled by these people.

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01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:09.039
And they're good, you know, because their aims are noble

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01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:10.880
in all this and they know each other and they

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01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:13.399
speak to every but you know, they all the same thing. Well,

1709
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.399
are they're all just making this stuff up? Obviously? You know,

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01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:19.560
the the the the skeptic is going to say, well,

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01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:21.520
they're just all making up. But are they all making

1712
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:22.439
up the same story?

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01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:22.840
You know?

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01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:25.199
I mean, you know, the whole idea of so called

1715
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.800
esotericism is the idea of this this there's this, this

1716
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:33.520
group worldwide that has this has this power. I choose

1717
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:37.000
to believe it. I mean, I see enough evidence suggest

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01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:40.159
that this that this is essentially a correct picture.

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We've got mare from Steve Bonta from the New American

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after this, stay with us.

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Hey, welcome back. We're talking with Steve Bonta. He is

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the publisher for the New American magazine.

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When you look at the fruit on the tree, I

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mean the tree is going to bear a specific fruit

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on its root system, and so it's quite telling.

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I mean you have to really just you know, purposely

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01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:09.640
blind yourself, you know, to that reality to see these

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underpinnings that are going on and of course that are

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being manifest more and more in our country today. And

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we're going to talk about that in just a moment.

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But to kind of wrap things up again, congratulations on this, uh,

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you know, on this publication and the special Commandmative magazine.

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Steve.

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How can people access it?

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Well, it's a you can order it online to go

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to the New American dot com our website again here

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here it is again, yes, right and all of its glory.

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You can you can order a palette if you want.

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We've got several palettess in our warehouse right now that

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are ready to be shipped at a moment's notice. But yeah,

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I'm we're very proud of this issue, and it's selling

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very well, and we're hoping that it opens opens more

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eyes as to the the I mean, there are lots

1818
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.880
and lots of people Bill out there who are sympathetic

1819
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:02.279
in varying degrees to the to the cause of freedom

1820
01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:05.439
and limited government, all this stuff which is so important.

1821
01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:09.199
But it's important, you know, to understand also from whence

1822
01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:13.760
the opposition derives its vitality. You know, why is it

1823
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:17.279
that it's so hard to win this fight? Why is

1824
01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:19.399
it that it always seems like two steps forward, three

1825
01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:23.439
steps back. And the answer is because the enemy is organized,

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01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:28.600
and no complete accounting of the freedom struggle is possible

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01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.199
without acknowledging that, without saying, you know, understanding somewhat the

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01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:33.760
nature of the enemy.

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01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:34.199
Face.

1830
01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:37.039
Well, you're exactly right. I see the enemy working a

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01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:37.479
lot harder.

1832
01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:39.840
I mean, look at what's happening, you know, across our

1833
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:42.359
country with the Democratic Socialist I mean, they're out of

1834
01:42:42.359 --> 01:42:44.359
the closet, full blown. I mean we've known this for

1835
01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:47.159
a long time, you know, for decades that this was

1836
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:51.399
a you know, a growing organization, and now here they are.

1837
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.680
I mean, they've captured you know, the mayor's seat in

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01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:58.199
New York. You've got three candidates in New York heading,

1839
01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:02.399
you know, potentially to Congress, and they're very outspoken about

1840
01:43:02.439 --> 01:43:06.439
their democratic, socialistic not even leanings, but their commitment.

1841
01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:07.720
Yeah.

1842
01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:12.279
Absolutely, And I mean, I mean that's obviously socialism is

1843
01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:16.359
the main kind of the public face of this of

1844
01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:20.000
this this drive for for for for global control, and

1845
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:22.119
you know, this type of thing we call it socialism,

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01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:28.079
but it's it's just the ideology of pure amoral, collectivized power.

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01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:31.760
That's all it is. And everything that and again with

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01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:35.760
and even with socialism, just just confining our our analysis socialism.

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01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:38.920
People often make the mistake of saying, well, socialism is

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01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:43.680
basically this this political and economic theory, and it's not.

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01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.119
If you look at the origins of socialism, you find

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01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.920
that all of the you know, the people it was

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01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:52.039
also a radical social experiment. I mean, all the first

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01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:55.239
socialist communes were all into getting rid of marriage and

1855
01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:57.720
the family and having you know, as they called it

1856
01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.199
then and now free love and all the rest of this.

1857
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:04.920
There's always been this counter cultural, moral or anti moral

1858
01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:08.600
dimension of the thing we call socialism. So just looking

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01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:11.560
at it as a like a politically a political partisan thing,

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01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.760
or maybe an instance of extreme you know, but purely

1861
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:19.479
political zealotry is it doesn't you know, fails to capture

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01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:22.199
the totality of what socialism is. And so there's nothing

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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:27.600
at all inconsistent about the fact that the same people

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01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:32.159
who are espousing uh socialist you know, economic and political

1865
01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.640
collectivism are also a spouse, are trying to get rid

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01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:38.239
of the family, are trying to destroy family values, are

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01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:43.000
implacable foes of organized religions, particularly Christianity, all that kind

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01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.319
of thing. It's all of a piece.

1869
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:52.000
Right, And in all the years of human history, what

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01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:54.920
success record can you point to and say, you see

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01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:58.760
here during the Roman Empire or you know, during you

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01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:02.199
know another empire it worked brilliantly, or you know the

1873
01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:05.680
Russians handled it, or you know whatever I mean. Every

1874
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:09.920
time you look at socialism as a history element, you

1875
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:14.199
see mediocrity, you see devastation, human carnage. So here it

1876
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:17.439
is the striving to have it your way, like as

1877
01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:20.079
if you're ordering up a hamburger. You end up in

1878
01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:25.000
the process just you know, debilitating the social norms and

1879
01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:27.159
the things that brought you to the dance.

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01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:29.840
And you've just blown up the whole party.

1881
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:32.199
Well, that's true, and I think that a lot of

1882
01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:35.399
people on the left, at least the more intelligent ones,

1883
01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:41.159
they know this. But they're motivated by a desire to

1884
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:45.439
destroy the existing order, and if that can be accomplished

1885
01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:48.279
by socialism, then so be it. I mean, the whole

1886
01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:52.079
The term radical comes from the word for root radics, right,

1887
01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.319
And the idea is that the only thing that will

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01:45:55.359 --> 01:45:59.520
suffice to bring about this aforementioned earthly paradise. You know

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01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:04.560
this said, this, this utopia that human kind, God listened to. Utopia.

1890
01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:07.359
I have to say, uh, you know, you know, done

1891
01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:12.119
by the hands of man, is the total uprooting of

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01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.640
everything that went before. And of course is anyone who

1893
01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.800
you know who knows anything about gardening? What if you

1894
01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.520
pull a planet by its roots, you kill it? Yes,

1895
01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.800
but that's what they want to do, is to kill utterly.

1896
01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:27.640
And if that means, you know, the death of billions

1897
01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:33.279
of souls and the desolation spoken of by Tacitus, then

1898
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.279
so be it. As long as you know, we can

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01:46:36.319 --> 01:46:40.359
emerge at the far end with something new, something radically new,

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01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:45.680
we will finally have banished God and morality and all

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01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.359
the other things that they consider to be the source

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01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:51.439
of all of the ills and troubles on this earth,

1903
01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:54.199
and will have created this new temporal paradise that will

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01:46:54.199 --> 01:46:56.680
not be encumbered anymore by those things. People will to

1905
01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:58.680
do what they want. That will be the whole of

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01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:01.840
the law, as Alistair Crowley famously put it, you know,

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01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:04.840
and uh, and that will suffice and if and if

1908
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:08.039
to get from there, from here to there, we have

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01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:13.239
to sacrifice most of humanity on a modern day you know,

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alter of Moloch, well, so be it. Yeah, I mean

1911
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obviously you have to to break a lot of eggs

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to make this particular omelet. That's that's the reasoning. So

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I think you know a lot of them. You know,

1914
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do know that theirs is a recipe for desolation and destruction.

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But that's what they want, you know, they say, some

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people just want to watch the world burn. That's kind

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of become a bit of a of a punchline, but

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it's actually true.

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Right, that's what.

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And they're not satisfied with socialism. I mean, socialism is faced.

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It's the yellow brick road to communism, right, I mean,

1922
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it's not a big leap once you once you become

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a socialist, you know, the transition to communism is you know,

1924
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almost natural.

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Well, communism is is sort of a specialized form of socialism.

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Most communists will say, I mean, like the Chinese Communist Party.

1927
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They they anymore, they say, we're socialist, you know, I mean,

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so socialism is the more correct term. Communism generally nowadays

1929
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refers to a specific brand of socialism advocated by Karl

1930
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Marx and that crowd, and a lot of people like

1931
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the Fabian Socialists for example, really don't believe in that

1932
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because they say, you know, this, this abrupt, violent revolutionary

1933
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scheme that communism requires ain't gonna work. What we need

1934
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to do is is is erect the house of socialist

1935
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world order bit by bit gradually, you know, basically, transform

1936
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hearts and minds, and you know, if necessary, rule and ruin.

1937
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But you know what, but but more this more gradualist approach.

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And then the other problem, you know, and the reason

1939
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that modern day Marxists oftentimes you know, reject you know,

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the the communist recipe. Per says, they say, well, you

1941
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know the problem with communism is, you know, it only

1942
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it only works if you have a large un educated

1943
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peasantry like they had in Russia or China, and that's

1944
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why communism had never really taken root, you know, taken

1945
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over in countries that have higher standards of living, in

1946
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education and so forth and so on. So so there

1947
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are you know, some differences in that, but you know,

1948
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Marxism writ large certainly, you know, embraces all of the above.

1949
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Well, you look at what happened with Germany.

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I mean, Germany was a pretty you know, intellectual, you

1951
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know country at the time. Of course we're talking communism

1952
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and we're talking fascism as opposed to communism. But you know,

1953
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any ism whatsoever, you know, that relies on a constituency

1954
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that's been dumbed down and mediocritized. You could argue that

1955
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our educational system has been very effective in doing that

1956
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with this new generation.

1957
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Yeah.

1958
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Well, I mean the thing is, again, if I were

1959
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a new World Order, right, I'd be looking at the

1960
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Nazis and saying, that's not the that's not what I

1961
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want to do, because look, it didn't last very long, right,

1962
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I mean, it was obviously a failure. They tried to

1963
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do too much too quickly, and so you know, ended

1964
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up coming a croppers of the rest of the world.

1965
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We know what happened to Nazism. So so what they're

1966
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what they're saying instead, is they say, well, let's how

1967
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can we make this permanent? You know, how can we

1968
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how can we ease humanity through this radical transition into

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a new, entirely new order and make sure that it sticks,

1970
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you know, and make sure that we never return to

1971
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a time of sovereign nations and you know, religious faith

1972
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and all the you know, belief in a God that

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doesn't exist, you know, fairy tales and all this type

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of thing. Again, that's what they think. And so you know,

1975
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in in their in their hidden conclaves and conferences and

1976
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so forth. I mean, I have no doubt this is

1977
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the kind of thing that they're that they that they discuss,

1978
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you know, very serious terms, is how do you bring

1979
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this about and make it stick?

1980
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See about thirty seconds left. What about the hope for America.

1981
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I'm gonna let you wrap it up.

1982
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Go ahead, Well, the hope for America resides in bringing

1983
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these hidden things to light and in also instilling in

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people and appreciation of the positive values of the founders.

1985
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You know, the fact that there is a God that

1986
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he has given to us unalienable rights that make us

1987
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who we are that the proper state of man in

1988
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this world and universe is as a free moral agent,

1989
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not a slave or a chattel, and everything that flows

1990
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from that, and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution,

1991
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so all of these things work together, and when we

1992
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have enough people with with that critical understanding, we're going

1993
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to have a free country again, and the tide will

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turn well.

1995
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And here we are on the verge of celebrating two

1996
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hundred and fifty years and we have Europeans and people

1997
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for around the world coming into our country and celebrating

1998
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our country and helping us appreciate just how exceptional the

1999
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United States of America is, right.

2000
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Yeah, yeah, And good for them. Who would have thought

2001
01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.640
the World Cup would be such a transformative place political event,

2002
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But hey, we'll take it.

2003
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Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you. He's the publisher of the

2004
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New American magazine. Steve Bonta. Thank you, Steve, Take care,

2005
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God bless Thanks Bill, same to you.

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