June 2, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 02 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 02 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 06 02 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, OK, do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning. Six minutes after the top of the

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arm Right Now Bill Martinez. Here with Judicial watchis Chris Farrel,

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the director of Investigations and Research for JW. Hey, Chris,

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good morning to you.

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Hey, Bill, it's great to be with me the thanks.

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Hey.

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Lots to catch up on one of the big issues

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that I think people are confused about because the left

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has been, you know, writing their own story and that's

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regarding this you know, Trump agreement to choose transparency over

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a payout, and the left, you know, you just see

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gray matter from their brains just splattering all over the

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TV screen. Huh.

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You're talking about the settlement, YEA fond of about one

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point I.

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Guess seven seventy six, you know, one point seven. I

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love it.

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Yeah, Yeah, you know it's interesting.

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There's all sorts of compensation funds that the government has

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instituted for people for lack of a better term, if.

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They've been screwed with. Yes, that's a technical term.

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But you know, the Black farmers had a huge multimillion

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dollar settlement fund created by the Agriculture Department because in

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fact they had been mistreated or unfairly treated and they

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had a legitimate claim. And so the government does this

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all the time. Our good friend Katherine Herridge, who's now

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an independent journalist, which's previously had been with CBS and

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Fox News.

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Catherine went through and did.

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A detailed, point by point example of other instances in

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history where settlement funds had been created by the government

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and large payouts have been made because people were able

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to identify and explain how they had been either shortchanged

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or victimized by government policy. And so this is no

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different than a half dozen other funds like it for

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people who want to bring a claim and say, look,

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I was mistreated, I did not have an even break,

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and I'll want to bring a claim. So there's no

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problem with it.

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Yeah.

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The thing the problem I have with it, Chris, is

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that we the people are paying it. That's right, it's

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from our taxes. It's not coming out of their salaries.

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Nobody's paying a price, you know, for their egregious sas

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I mean, because some of this stuff, look at some

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of it, you can give them the benefit the down, say, okay,

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I can see how this mean. But I mean this

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is nothing short of weaponization and purposeful.

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That's exactly what it is. I mean, look, this is

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the trade or one.

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Of the techniques of how business is done in Washington, DC.

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And that is the punishment is the process. So all

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they have to do is announce that you're under investigation

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or that you're being liked at for whatever, and that

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means you have to go out and to get an attorney.

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How many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars?

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Is that right? Yes, And they grind you up with.

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Legal processes and you know they'll they'll stick the irs

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on you. There's all sorts of ways in which the

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government could grind you up and torture you. And at

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some point they just they drop the case, they say okay,

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never mind, they walk away, and you're still stuck with

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you know, four hundred thousand dollars in legal bills.

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Well if you're lucky, right right, And so that's.

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That's what's trying to be explained here. Or you know,

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they phony stuff up. They launch your search warrant on

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your home and your property, and they go through all

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your computers and your cell phones. They tear up your

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house and then they say, okay, well never mind and

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they walk away.

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Well, I mean that's crazy, that's punishment, that's torture.

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Right exactly. Well, and the other thing I'd like to

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see happen, Chris, is that there'd be some sense of

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due process on this, that this needs to be resolved.

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When something comes up like this, it needs to be

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resolved in an expeditionary expeditions sort of way, not something

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that's taking six ten years to resolve. Because you know,

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as you just as you said, with the power of

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the government. You know, they're not paying legal fees like

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you are. It's not a fair fight. They're dragging out.

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They're going to beat you up by attrition, you know,

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just just as you pointed out. So, getting back to

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this situation, here's Trump. He gets an award because it

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all started with his tax returns, right, right.

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They unlawfully leaked the details of his tax returns. Again,

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that's a political smear job, right, They're trying to make

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them look like he's a crook or a fraud or

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you know some negative you know, desire to smear the guy,

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and so they unlawfully leaked.

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Details concerning his tax returns.

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I mean, it's a racket. It's a government racket to

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destroy the guy. They did everything under the sun. They

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tried to jail them, tried to assassinate them, you know,

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tried to break him, tried to attack his family. And

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this is just one more instance.

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It's incredible. I mean, you talk about the books they're

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going to be written down the road, Chris, about all

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the the government's weaponized to attack one single figure like

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Donald Trump. I mean, what a threat that he must

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represent to the establishment, that the deep state at all

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would go after him like this.

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Right, that's exactly right, which is I think also why

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he sort of revels in making you know, certainly he

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has no lack of ego, right, So yeah, when he

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makes sort of outrageous claims or when he you know, offers,

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he floats out kind of trial balloon ideas about doing

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things in part he does it just to torture them back, right, Oh,

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no doubt, that's been crazy. And so when he says,

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you know what, there should be a two hundred and

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fifty dollars bill, and I should be honest, you know,

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whether it ever happens or not, isn't the point well,

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it is funny. I think this is really this goes

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to show you the derangement syndrome. You know, their lawsuit

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was brought to against Trump over the renaming or the

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additional naming of the Kennedy Center right right, and so

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of all things. The illustrious US District Court Judge Christopher

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Cooper here in DC, who was appointed by Barack Obama.

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He issues an order that says, you know, within forty

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eight hours, Trump's name must be taken off the building. Right.

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I mean, you gotta think about this. You have a

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federal judge issuing forty eight hour edicts to remove someone's

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name from a building. We have nothing else to worry about, right,

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There's no other problems for a federal judge to worry about,

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them removing Trump's name from a building.

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And this, this shows you the vendetta, right right exactly.

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So then we have to take away you know, somebody's

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in the legal staff instead of them doing some other business.

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Now they got to go and respond.

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To this crazy edict right right right.

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And this isn't something that's going to be done in

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forty eight hours either.

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No, I mean, and no trial, right, no, no discovery,

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no pleadings just the unilateral decision of a government lawyer

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wearing a black robe, right, who's a political hack. He

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gets to decide the fate of humanity based on an

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accident of political favoritism, meaning a guy who gets supported

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as a federal judge, Chris.

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Is there any way to stop this or we just

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have to wait until all these judges punch themselves out

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and they finally realize nuts enough because you know, the

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Supreme Court has chimed in a little bit, but not enough.

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In my humble opinion, number one, number two, Congress needs

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to step up and start you know, affecting you know,

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some judicial removement. You know, let's impeach these guys.

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Yeah, well, you know, Jim Jordan, call your office, right.

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The chairman of the Judicial Judiciary Committee of the House

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is a wall. I mean he's good at kind of

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blustering for a moment or two and a couple of

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snappy soundbites, but the level follow through is, you know,

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less than zero. This is part of the charade, the

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farce that or the illusion I guess that we have

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some you know, equal justice under the law for everyone.

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It's a farce.

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The legal system is horribly broken, and it's very one

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sided that people talking about a two tier justice system.

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There's really about a three or four tier justice system

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out there. And the average person, this is why they

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don't trust the government. They don't trust the courts, they

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don't trust the FBI, because they see it's a game, right,

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it's all just whose side and who gets to control

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the Xbox? You know, it's like ten year old's fire

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right over a video game, and it's it's exhausting.

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Unfortunately, Well, without a doubt, and the people who believe

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in the constitution that you know says right there, there's

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a government of four by we the people. Well, you know,

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we the people didn't vote for this.

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No, no, no, And again a lot of the I mean,

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this is the danger of generalization. So I'll issue my

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own warning or disclaimer on this.

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Tan well ta, well, let's do it on the other side.

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Let's go to quick break. We'll pick it up more

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from Chris Ferrell after this, stay with us.

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of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch, Chris Ferrell. Chris,

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you were saying, yeah, we.

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Were just talking about the judicia making a very dangerous generalization,

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but it's good for conversational purposes. Look, they're really high

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end attorneys, the superstars. They're very busy making money, thank

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you very much, and they're not terribly interested in sitting

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on a bench and hearing cases because you know, in

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an afternoon they can make, you know, more money than

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a judge gets paid.

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In a month.

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Right, So the high end guys, the real legal brains,

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are busy making money. They're really horrible ones are busy

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selling their services to the public and couldn't get appointed.

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But there's a sort of a mediocrity.

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Right, pational mediocrity. They're not terrible, they're not stupid, but frankly,

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they're not terribly bright, and they know where their bread

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is buttered. And they're sort of partisan political uh, you know,

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they're amenable, right, they're willing to go along and so

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very often, not always, but very often that becomes kind

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of the rank and file of the judiciary because they're

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not smart enough to make the really big bucks, and

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they're not you know, they're not dummies. They're somewhere in

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the middle. And unfortunately, you know, they owe their their

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seat on the bench to some politician who's a pointed

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them and put them through the system. So it's very frustrating,

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it's very disappointing.

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Yeah, the dynamic of quid pro quote continues, right, Nancy Pelosi, Yeah,

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no doubt. Well, again, getting back to the seventh one

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billion was seventeen seventy six billion, not all total one

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point seven seven six billion that Donald Trump was awarded.

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He doesn't take it for himself, Okay, I mean, he's

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he's a guy, he's President of the United States, chief

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executive officer, commander in chief. He's not taken any money

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from the people. He's given that money away. So in

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this case too, he sets this aside and says, okay,

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we're going to make people whole who have been abused,

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who've been weaponized, have been the subjects of weaponization of

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the government. Right, And so the big thing that comes

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to light is January.

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Sixth, exactly.

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I mean, I can give you one example a couple

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retired in their early seventies who they have a small

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sort of ranch, yet outside of San Antonio. They were

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here on January sixth. The wife actually has a hip

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that had just been operated on, so she wasn't feeling

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too great. They went back to the hotel. They didn't

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even go near the Capitol. They went to the over

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by the White House. And then when people started moving

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towards the Capitol, she wasn't feeling too great. She wanted

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to go back to the hotel and lay down and

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rest her hip, and they did. And they even had

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a card swipe at an ATM showing that there weren't

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anywhere near the Capitol. But somebody said that the husband

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looked like a guy who might have been in the picture,

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because you know, there were crowdsourcing a lot of these photos.

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And so the FBI joined Terrorism Task Force show blows

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through the gate of their ranch. It's a small, little

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five acre like ranchatt out in Texas. They blow through

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the gate, they.

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Flash bang the house.

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They dragged them out there underwear, only to be told whoops,

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never mind.

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So I mean where do they go? I mean, what

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are they going to do?

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How are they made whole for really a horrific, abusive discretion.

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There's no reason to go after him the way they did.

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And they kept pointing at the picture, telling the guy

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this is you, this is you. He goes, you know,

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is it a white guy in his seventies with gray hair?

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Well, Bill, you know, I mean how many hundreds of

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thousands of people could that anyway? You get the point? Yeah, right,

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It's just it's craziness. And you know, they should have

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a right to come back and say, no, make me whole,

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fix the gate on my farm, right.

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Yeah, exactly, at least at least do that, and maybe

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buy some underwear for me.

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Too, Just say exactly, yeah, exactly.

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What about Ashley Babbitt?

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Right there, you have a case where Bird, the police officer, promoted,

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of course from lieutenant to captain and given a medal,

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he shoots her dead, totally unjustified shooting. And thankfully we

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were able to represent Ashley Babbitt's family the estate and

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get a settlement for her for the family because a

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police officer was just trigger happy, frankly, and he had

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a horrible track record professionally with it. When it came

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to handling a firearms, he left a loaded weapon in

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the visitor's bathroom Capital Visitor Center bathroom. I mean, you

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know what kind of a moron he shouldn't be trusted

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with a weapon, right.

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Yeah, But the Left made him into a hero.

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I mean, this is the case where there are some

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fundamental disagreements on who and what we are as a

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country and what the authority and scope of government and

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police powers are.

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And it is it is a fundamental difference. Uh.

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You know, I I saw yesterday driving around running some errands,

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a guy with a big sign on the side of

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his car no secret Police, and the ICE and police

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was highlighted, meaning, you know, ICE doing enforcement rates? What

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the hell is secret about ICE?

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Right exactly?

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I mean, if you're an illegal alien, you're probably not

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too happy about ICE doing enforcement. But other than that,

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who is supposedly being subjected to secret police activities?

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Answer?

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No one, right, But there's this narrative, there's this mindset,

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you know, they.

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Were thrilled with.

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You know, in Fairfax County, Virginia, not far from where

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I'm sitting right now, it's something like eighty five percent

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of the murders. The homicides in Fairfax County are performed

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by illegal aliens, you know. The DA and a guy

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named Discano testified before Congress about two weeks back.

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It is worth your while to watch this.

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Guy's testimony about how he deliberately and willfully refuses to

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abide by any kind of ice detainer, how he turns

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people loose out of the jails. He turned one guy

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loose and within forty eight hours the guy killed two people.

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I mean, this is the kind of revolving door justice.

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And he's a Soros DA, yes exactly. He got elected

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on Soros money, right, And look, this is, like I said,

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there's very different mindsets as to what you know, kind

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of truth justice in the American way is all about.

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And some people favor, you know, this Bolshevik approach to things,

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and others have a much more traditional American point of

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view that you and I share.

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Yeah, exactly. Judicial Watch continues to be vigilant about voter

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integrity and good news. I guess coming out of California,

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you know, on the eve of an important mayoral election

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that's coming up there, you've cleaned up. I think initially,

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when you and I talked in the state of California

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was three million. I didn't realize just in La County

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alone it was almost probably almost one and a half million.

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Right, yep, yep, yep, that is exactly correct. And we've

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done this from state to state around the country. Right now,

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our grand total is above six million dirty voting roles,

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people that are on the voting rolls who are either

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moved away, or they're dead, or they're felons, or there's

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some other sort of disqualifying reason. And the obligation at

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the this is normally at the county level, although the

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state has an obligation to oversee it.

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But these county.

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Voting registrars or secretaries, so they should enroll everybody who's eligible.

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But on the other hand, they should double check the

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list to make sure it's accurate.

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Exactly Well, they usually.

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Get very busy enrolling everyone, and they're not usually too

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good double checking the list to make sure it's accurate

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and complete. And so we've gone to them and said, look,

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you need to double check New York City. This is

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last year. It's very funny New York City with eight

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million people. They came back and said to us, well,

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We've checked our voting roles and we removed five people. Okay,

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so that's unreasonable, right, that's a ridiculous number to scrub

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the voting roles. Right, it's got to be hundreds of

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thousands of people moved dead whatever.

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I mean, Well, you know twenty percent of the people routinely.

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Just check with the mail office. They'll tell you twenty

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percent of America moves every year at least.

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Right.

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So I mean, now, does it take work? Of course

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it does, you know, is it easy?

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No? But that's part of the problem.

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That's the obligation that the registrars and the secretaries of

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election at various county governments. That's what they're supposed to

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be doing making because if you don't do that, right,

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if you have children and forty percent more people registered

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to vote that even live in the locality, you're asking

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for gamesmanship, exactly for corruption shenanigans. I don't want to

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use the F word and say fraud because that has

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a very specific legal meaning. But there are other fun

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and games that you can do to manipulate the numbers

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and the outcome. And so if the voting roles are inaccurate,

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how the hell they would you ever know who was

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actually supposed to show up and vote?

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Exactly? Well, Chris Ferrell has always we appreciate the time.

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He's the director of Investigations Research for Judicial Watch. Be well,

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my friend, Thank you so much.

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Hey, good morning to you. I'm glad you could join

519
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us Bill Martinez here along with Jeff Kampf, the Mystery

520
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leader and author and the former NFLQB mister Jeff. How

521
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we did?

522
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I'm well?

523
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Thanks?

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Bill?

525
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Hey, you were at the Coulston convention. Tell us about that?

526
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What's going on?

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Well?

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Late in Chuck Coulson's life, after his turnaround from going

529
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to prison and accepting Christ and then starting a ministry

530
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in the prisons, he realized that our culture needed to

531
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change if we were going to repair the fatherlessness and

532
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the crime and the outer wedlock birth rates, and to

533
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change the culture. We need believers in Jesus to be

534
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salt and light that is compassionate work like giving adoption

535
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:37.039
alternatives to pregnant young moms and also working to change

536
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the laws so that our country doesn't support the changing

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of gender or the murder of babies. But we also

538
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need people that can understand the times and explain it

539
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to their grandkids and to their children, to people in

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a political circle or at their church, and that God

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called us to both love and truth. And so the

542
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Coulson Fellows Program is something Coulson started to train people

543
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in Christian worldview for a year straight with a lot

544
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of reading, exercise and small groups. And I got trained

545
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in the very first class back in two thousand and

546
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two or so. Their national conference had a number of speakers,

547
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including Os Guinness. He spoke about a topic you'd be

548
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concerned about that we're not losing America yet, but we're

549
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losing the republic, Republic of you know, the balance of powers,

550
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because humanity's got evil inside of us and we need

551
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to have checks on power.

552
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That's crucial to us.

553
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And we are moving towards Authratorianism and totalitarianism. Socialism is

554
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into that. The conservative movement can do the same in

555
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the name of reversing the wrongness of the past administration.

556
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We go overboard.

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And there are criticisms to made of this administration in

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that regard, as there were of the ones before it.

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But the most interesting stuff that I was listening to

560
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was on AI mm hmm and the continued movement away

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from the divine image of God being found in mankind

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and destroying it and creating our own machine. It's almost

563
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like a God, and so that was really interesting. A

564
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guy named abduh Murray, who was raised Muslim and accepted Christ. Oh,

565
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I got a granddaughter interrupting ourselves.

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It's okay, say I say I, it's okay. You're you're

567
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on the air with us.

568
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Gosh, you're set the door and off.

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Kid.

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You were so gorgeous.

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Yeah, A, I can't do that, ken it A. I

572
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can't give you a kiss. Yeah I can't say, Grandpa,

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come play with me.

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But it's fooling us.

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And abdu Murray, who is now a believer and who's

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committed to truth. His ministry is called Embrace Truth. He

577
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gave a very articulate, balanced talk about AI is not evil.

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Human use of technology will tend to go evil if

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it leaves God out of the equation and it doesn't

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use biblical principles of discernment. And what's happening today is

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the power of AI is being worshiped by some in

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the scientific world. I think it can make us move

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past and beyond humanity, which is dehumanizing us.

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The image of God is disappearing.

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And then some of the people at the grassroots who

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are lonely and are having trouble with relationships, maybe because

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their mom or dad didn't love them well and they

588
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don't know how to get along and make a friend.

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They're crafting their own AI chatbot that relates to them

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exactly the way they want. It never makes a demand,

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it never disagrees, there's no friction, and people have companions

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romantic partners. And one of the concerns was for a

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lot of the now thirteen year old and youngers, their

594
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very first romantic relationship will be with an AI generated

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fake entity, and it will pull us away from the

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God who made us to connect soul to soul. Right,

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So I'd pray that we parents and teachers and adults

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would wake children up to the risk of letting AI

599
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A strong tool end up creating an imitation, a counterfeit relationship.

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The first human relationship is friendship. Built upon that comes

601
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the second, but the most you know, a prolific relationship

602
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marriage and mothering and fathering and brother and sister, and

603
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the Christian relationship of you and me as two brothers

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to one another right in the body of Christ. But

605
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it all comes down to the principle of subsidiarity. Human

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friendship is the most important thing we need to recultivate,

607
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and men are missing it and we're lonely and more depressed.

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Young women are stuck comparing themselves on Internet, body image

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and all the rest of it instead of true friendship.

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So we got to use AI as a tool. But

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if we let it replace our thinking and replace our relationships,

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it's going to shrink humanity and crush our souls.

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Well, it starts, you know, with the fundamentals, Jeff, I

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mean our current system right now, as you heard during

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this event that you went to at the Coolsten Center,

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is that. I mean, you know, we had a problem

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here in River City, and it's foundational, the foundational tenants.

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This is why we've been saying you and I've been

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saying this for year. Now, You've got to go go

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back to the beginning. In the beginning, what was God

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in that? What was his design? What is the legitimate

622
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versus the illegitimate. What's happened, just to your exact point

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is we've allowed human conscious human values to supplant God's values,

624
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and so everything's compromised, everything's corrupt. You know, I would

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be curious. I mean, Chuck Holsum was alive today, you know,

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to have a conversation with him, because he was there,

627
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He was in the beast, he was in the inner

628
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.119
circle of the beast. Could he not see at that

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time because it was already evident that the corruption on

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00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.639
our republic was already there and beginning to thrive. He

631
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.599
fell victim, and he came out of it, you know,

632
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:49.559
with a particular view and understanding. But here we are today,

633
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.840
fast forward, many decades after him and since his passing,

634
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.000
we're saying, whoa, you know, we have lots of problems

635
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.239
here in our government. So our foundation is rocky. So

636
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whatever you bring in AI or some other great innovation,

637
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space travel, all that that's on the horizon for us.

638
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If the foundation is corrupt, how are we going to

639
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be able to handle this in a way that exalts God.

640
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.119
Yeah, I think let's clarify for our listeners. When you

641
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speak of foundational things, and you said in the beginning, God,

642
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we're talking about the core principal truths and the paradigms

643
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and the ethical standards that we anchor ourselves to under

644
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.920
the reign of God, Amen versus. The reign of humans

645
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:51.280
America was very unique, imperfect, but so advanced by taking

646
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the Jewish systems from Moses and the law and the

647
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priests and the respect for women and the individual. Okay,

648
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.280
and then Martin Luther came along, and even though the

649
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Catholic Church carried us the faith of Jesus, the corruption

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of power had stopped the people from seeing the Bible.

651
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And Martin Luther said, people are all equal, and that

652
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today has led to a pope, for example, who's one

653
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of the people who's more humble. I'm not saying he's

654
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a perfect man, but he's more humble than the popes

655
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we had of the thirteenth century in the fourteenth century,

656
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that that corruption led to the Reformation, and that our

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form of government. It took the real or the realization

658
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that humanity is flawed and we need checks and balances,

659
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and we can only be a good nation under God.

660
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We can only have a liberty and freedom under God.

661
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We need people of moral faith, as our founding fathers said. Right,

662
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so today when we face the drift toward authoritarianism and

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power based leadership, be it in a corporation or on

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a sports team, or in a government, or internet marriage,

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as we see our marriage. Yeah, yeah, because I mean

666
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we have taken sometimes the headship teaching and turned it

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into dominance teaching. Headship is responsibility. Jesus is the greatest

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head ever and he laid down his life for us.

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His bride.

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You know, a good husband who is a good head

671
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is saying, I'm taking responsibility for my family. But I'll

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die on the sword to keep unity with my wife.

673
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I'll die on the sword to make sure that we

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stick with God. So the foundational principles you're talking about

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are number one, God is God and we're not. Number two,

676
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we're sinners and we need a savior. Number three, we

677
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need God's guidance, which comes in the Mosaic ten Commandments

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and everything Jesus has taught which agreed with it. He

679
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.360
simplified it down to love your Lord your God first, foremost,

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and more than everything else, rationally dominantly the center of

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your life. That's what he really meant. And then you'll

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love others as you love yourself. Take care of yourself,

683
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don't abuse yourself, don't get hooked on drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, computers,

684
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social media. Take care of your soul, okay, but then

685
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take care of other people in similar ways. So the

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foundational principles. If we use AI, it's got to be

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under God.

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Yes, that's it.

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And it's got to be for the purpose of improving

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human relationships, not replacing human relationships. And right now many

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people are using AI to replace human relationships by creating

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their own little virtual avatar that says everything and does

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everything and looks exactly what it wants to. That's not

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It gonna be a helpful thing for young people whose

695
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first romantic relationship is an AI bot.

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Yep, exactly Well, to be continued, no doubt, Jeff Kemp,

697
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thank you so much as all ses the author and

698
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ministry leader, former nfl QB Jeff. How can they be

699
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in touch?

700
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They can be a touch at men huddle dot com,

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where I strengthen friendship, help men's Strengthen Friendships and Jeff

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00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.079
kempteam so Menhuddle dot com and jeffkempteam dot Com.

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This report is sponsored by IBM as AI transforms how

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work gets done. A new IBM CEO study finds success

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will depend on how quickly organizations redesign their workforce. CEOs

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agree people are the priority. Eighty three percent of CEOs

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say AI success depends more on people's adoption than the technology,

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but many organizations are still struggling to redesign roles, build

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new skills, and rethink how teams collaborate. This gap is

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already showing up in the workplace. CEOs say only twenty

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five percent of employees are using AI as part of

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their jobs, even though eighty six percent believe their workforce

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have the skills to collaborate with AI. Looking ahead, CEOs

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expect the impact on jobs to accelerate by twenty twenty eight.

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Twenty nine percent of employees may need reskilling for different roles,

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while fifty nine percent will likely require upskilling to perform

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their current roles more effectively. The findings suggest the real

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challenge isn't just adopting AI, it's aligning jobs, skills and

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Hey, good morning, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez and well, it's been so long since John

776
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.800
Fuller has come. I was looking back at my notes

777
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and go, it's a number of you.

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John.

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Were you afraid to come on? I mean, you're always

780
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such a great resource.

781
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.360
I've fit by the proverbial phone waiting for a phone call. Bill.

782
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.599
Okay, well, let's we got to do this sooner. You

783
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.119
you've been been away too long. John Fuller course is

784
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:46.840
a co host with Jim Daily with you know, their

785
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.679
weekly podcast and all their informative shows. That focus on

786
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.000
the family, and so whenever we can get John on

787
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.760
the air with us, it's a it's not only an honor,

788
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.119
it's a privilege. John, appreciate you. Thank you so much.

789
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.000
Well, I always feel like I'm talking to an old friend,

790
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.360
and it has been too long to make sure that

791
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.000
we connect again. But I love talking about you know,

792
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.800
radio and about media ministry and about touched lives and

793
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.360
impacts for christ.

794
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Well, you know, the title here is Christian Radio Dead.

795
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.119
It's interesting that that would be the title. I had

796
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:25.559
several conversations in the last couple of years with various

797
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:31.159
syndicators and Christian radio companies, and it's amazing. It's like

798
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.679
they've gotten caught, in my humble opinion, they've gotten caught

799
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.639
in the in the cultural perspective of it. And you know,

800
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.920
I'm an old radio guy. I've been around radio for

801
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.360
over fifty years, as you know, and so you know,

802
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.599
it's always been alive and well to me. I think

803
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.199
it has to do with perspective. Like I said, I've

804
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.639
gotten in some heated conversations with it. But because I'm

805
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.360
surprised that some of these, you know, some of these

806
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.199
national commpanies are willing to, you know, in the name

807
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.960
of podcast and social media, are willing to devalue their

808
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.760
radio properties. I'm saying you and I may be out

809
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:12.800
of stand by the exit and offer them five cents

810
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.079
of the dollar and we'll collect a lot of radio

811
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:16.079
stations along the way.

812
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.559
What do you think, Yeah, well, there is this. I

813
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.679
appreciated the clickbait headline you gave for our conversation. Is

814
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.480
Christian radio dead? The answer is no, it's not. It's

815
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.599
alive and well, and it's really permeated all of the

816
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.679
forty eight the lower forty eight states. It's in Hawaii,

817
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:38.880
it's in Alaska. So there are Christian radio operators, managers,

818
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:44.880
programs that go everywhere, pretty much ubiquitous. What's encouraging is

819
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.159
a recent research study by Pew and by the National

820
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:54.519
Religious Broadcasters that indicated that Christian radio is Christian media

821
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.440
rather is consumed by six out of ten Americans every week.

822
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:04.119
That's radio, pod cast, blogs, sermons. That's something and so

823
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.960
I think that's reflective bill of why Christian radio isn't dead.

824
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.400
There's a hunger for truth, big amount castle truth exactly

825
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.280
as we offer truth grounded in God's word. I think

826
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.760
the culture is ready for us living that out, not

827
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.639
just proclaiming it, but living out the full Gospel, the

828
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.239
truth and the grace and the love. As we do that,

829
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.679
there's impact in their changed lives.

830
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.880
John I Graham with you one hundred percent. And this

831
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:37.360
is why to me, this is hallowed ground. This is

832
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.000
something that God has given us, you know, this outlet,

833
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.840
and we should be vigilant to pursue the truth no

834
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.519
matter where it leads, that holds consistently with a biblical worldview.

835
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.920
And when things get askew, then it's okay for us

836
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.880
to be fruit inspectors and to you know, raise caution

837
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.679
to those entities that are purveyors of less than the truth.

838
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.480
Yeah, for some you know, churches, some radio ministries, for

839
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.880
some people engaged in the culture, there's kind of a

840
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.639
guarding of the truth and they don't lead with truth,

841
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.039
they lead with something else. And there's no judgment there

842
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.119
here at focus on the family, we remain very committed

843
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:26.480
to being biblically rooted and very clear about our Christian

844
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:32.000
expression of faith. We are helping families thrive in Christ.

845
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.360
As Jim Daly has said, this is actually as doctor

846
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.840
Dobson originated. We can bring people to have better relationships

847
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.679
in the family and in their environment and in their community.

848
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.079
But if we don't bring them to the author of relationships,

849
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.440
the author of family, then we've only gotten them kind

850
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.679
of temporary help. So we want to introduce people to

851
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.000
Jesus as we've led very boldly with truth and being

852
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.679
unashamed about it, even though that means that we believe

853
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.320
in old fashioned things like a man and a woman

854
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.639
make a family. That that is actually I think a

855
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.719
calling card for the culture that says, what you can't

856
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.119
just decide what you want. Actually, no, there's this foundational

857
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.000
truth that life is built upon. We do best to

858
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.800
follow the creator's design.

859
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.599
Well, you can choose what you want. You know, God

860
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.480
loves us so much that he does allow us to

861
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.199
make that choice. But here we are people of faith

862
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.239
who've you know, been there, done it, bought the T shirt,

863
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.960
paid the price, and we're saying, hey, you don't have

864
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:36.960
to pay the price if you don't want to. But

865
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.760
maybe you need to fall off the roof and realize

866
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.480
that gravity still exists, right.

867
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.280
Well there is. Yeah, this is one of the challenges

868
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.559
for parenting is I think we've we've and I was

869
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.440
guilty of this many years ago when our kids were younger,

870
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.400
overly protecting them. You know, there was a point where

871
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.599
we were coming in the house. One of my kids

872
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:58.960
was up the tree in the front yard and I said,

873
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.320
be careful up there, and my wife looked and said,

874
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.159
what's the worst right, I mean, they'll fall and break something.

875
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.280
I mean that's gravity, as you said, so there is

876
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.880
an element of us in family letting consequences roll. I

877
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.719
think for us as believers, we do well to proclaim Jesus,

878
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.239
to bring his claims to be the Son of God

879
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.400
to those around us, to do that in a loving way.

880
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.960
And that's really what a lot of our programming is

881
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.960
about here at Focus.

882
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:28.519
These days.

883
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.360
We're talking about marriage, we're talking about family, but we're

884
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:39.360
also just raising the conversation to incorporate difficult conversations in

885
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:44.760
the culture, tackling difficult relationships, loving our neighbors well, even

886
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.639
when they might think you're that person we want to

887
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.280
be cognitively, you know, disorienting to them to say, wait

888
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.000
a minute, I thought Christians were you know x y

889
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.920
Z No, I'm just your neighbor. I'm a Christian and

890
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.599
I care. As we try to equip the Saints to

891
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.639
do that people come to Christ. Just in the past

892
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.320
twelve months, our surveys tell us that one hundred and

893
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.360
seventy three thousand people made decisions for Christ as a

894
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.599
result of something God was doing through Focus on the Family,

895
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.559
as one hundred and seventy three thousand commitments to Christ

896
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:21.039
or rededications in one year. So we're finding people resonate

897
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.079
with the messages we're proclaiming for the kingdom, and we're

898
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.639
grateful for that kind of impact.

899
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.280
Well, John, I think sometimes what happens, particularly with Christians,

900
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.880
is we think that we should be living the hunky dory,

901
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.920
comfortable life. Jesus himself said, hey, get ready, you know,

902
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.119
put on your crash alments, in your seat belt, slaves

903
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.800
and gentlemen, it's going to be fun. And in so

904
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:43.559
many words, that's Bill Martinez's words.

905
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.320
I don't what translation is that again, Yeah.

906
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.280
Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, that Bill Martinez Bill Martinez translation.

907
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.679
But essentially that's what he said, get ready, It's not

908
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.039
going to be all comfort. But you know, and I

909
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.719
think that sometimes Christians we delude the message. You said

910
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.760
something about, you know, it was critical that Jesus is

911
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.480
the author of our faith. But the other thing to understand,

912
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.880
he's not only the author, but he's the finisher. So

913
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.320
what does that mean. When he's the finisher, that means

914
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.800
that when you hit these areas of travail that he

915
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.440
said you're going to hit, well, then go to the finisher, right,

916
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.800
He's the one with the answers to get you through

917
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.920
those tough times when you're dealing with you know, rebellious children,

918
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.440
or maybe a marriage that's in crises, or you know

919
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.159
an unexpected heartbreaker, you know, death in the family. You know,

920
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.559
Christian persecution that's happening all the world around the world

921
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.519
that we're seeing, you know, more and more is increasing

922
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.119
ever so more. But it's amazing especially in those areas

923
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.920
John you read about that there where Christian procution persecution

924
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.639
is such a height. Also Christian conversion is at a height.

925
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.639
Yeah, and that's because people find that it almost like

926
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.159
Peter said to Jesus, where else are we going to go?

927
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:07.159
Exactly that you are life. And so in this Christian

928
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.599
walk I've you know, I came to Christ at a

929
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.599
time when it was very popular to just seal the deal,

930
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.360
get in the kingdom, and in my youthfulness I thought cool.

931
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.320
Life is going to be good now, and it is,

932
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.519
but I somehow thought I was going to be insulated

933
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.639
from challenges. And I just want to tell you back

934
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.760
to the you know, the power of Christian radio, the

935
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.320
presence of Christian radio where it's just on. I had

936
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.440
a moment a few months ago. We were going through

937
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.079
a really deep valley with an individual in our family

938
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.880
hospitalized for three months and we didn't know if we

939
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:41.400
were going to get him back or not. It was

940
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.800
it was the hardest time, the really hardest time we've

941
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.880
ever gone through as a family. And I spent many

942
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.840
a day just crying with the Lord and pleading on

943
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.159
this boy's behalf. And there was a day when I

944
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:55.880
had to come into work. I got to come into

945
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.119
work and I had the Christian radio on. Chuck Swindall

946
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.880
is on and he's talking about suffering this passage and

947
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.719
first Corinthians were or Second Corinthians, I guess where Paul

948
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.280
is talking about this thorn that was given to him. Yes,

949
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.079
and I got something from that short little bit of

950
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.960
message from Chuck Swindahll. I got to work, I had

951
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.719
to stop the car. I came in and that little

952
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:20.000
nugget carried me through the day. It was perfect. What

953
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:21.920
was a long day. I got back in the car,

954
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.760
and sure enough, Chuck Swindall was back on the radio.

955
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.840
They heared him a second time, and I picked up

956
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.320
just about where I had left off, and that was

957
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:34.760
a whole nother message for me.

958
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.079
It was a.

959
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.320
Continuation of his sermon. But the radio was on and

960
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:44.199
I wasn't searching for this, but God just drove this

961
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.760
message into me. And I was two miles away from

962
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.559
my home at a red light, sobbing with the Lord,

963
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.400
saying I accept. Because Chuck was saying, if suffering is

964
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.320
the path, why do we run from it? And so

965
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.360
I guess just to put a loop on all that,

966
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.559
if suffering is the path for us as believers, and

967
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.360
if nobody in this life can avoid suffering, why don't

968
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.800
we live that well with joy, with confidence in God,

969
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.119
with an eye on Heaven, not on this temporal place,

970
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.039
and say He's going to power me through this through

971
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.800
his spirit. I'm gonna make it. I embraced suffering in

972
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.599
that moment, and it's made me a better man. It's

973
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.800
given me a richer testimony, and it's given me an

974
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.079
ability to relate to people around me who are going

975
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:33.079
through far worse things than a child in the hospital.

976
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.599
They're going through the loss of life, They're going through

977
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.280
a child they can't talk to, they're going through a

978
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.800
spouse that is cold, and every day is just a

979
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:45.079
pain point. So as we live out the gospel and

980
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.679
as we offer confidence in Christ, I think the world

981
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.920
is watching and they're waiting for us to say this

982
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.119
is the way. He's the way, the truth and the life.

983
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.360
Well, John, the Bible talks about a word aptly spoken, right,

984
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.920
and this is what Christian radio does. It puts out

985
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.159
words aptly spoken that goes out to find its mate.

986
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.239
For you that day, that moment Chuck Swindall gave out

987
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.960
that word and it found its mate in your heart.

988
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:18.239
It was God's bomb of Gilead, especially for you and

989
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.639
your family and for those that you've carried that message

990
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.880
forward and sharing your testimony that and it's amazing. This

991
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.360
is the beauty of Christian radio is that word multiplies itself, right.

992
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.719
It does, yes, And you know, there are so many

993
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:38.000
good people in Christian radio and in Christian ministries. You know,

994
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.280
we get a chance to talk to about one hundred

995
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.800
and thirty five hundred and forty different people a year

996
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:48.039
in our studio, and every time we're in the studio

997
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.960
getting ready to have that conversation with the guest about

998
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:55.400
whatever it is they're talking about, kids and emotions, a

999
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.840
cold marriage, loss of a parent, whatever it is, we pray,

1000
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:03.599
because we believe there's something sacred going on in the conversation,

1001
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.280
that there will be ministry here in this studio and

1002
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:12.039
for those nearby. And then when this airs on any

1003
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.360
number of outlets around the world, or on podcasts or

1004
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.280
YouTube or however people listen. Whatever that point is, we

1005
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.199
believe God will speak in it and through it to

1006
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.360
meet needs and time and again he blesses that effort.

1007
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.280
It's not us. It's not us. We're trying to be

1008
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.159
faithful and to do what we can with what He's

1009
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.119
given us to do. But any impact like that, that's

1010
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.320
the Lord's doing, and we're grateful that he does so much.

1011
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.599
Real quick story, we had a listener who said, I'm

1012
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:43.320
calling you because I got in my car to make

1013
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.920
a really important phone call. I accidentally turned on the

1014
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:52.079
radio and there you guys were talking about the importance

1015
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.960
of trying to stay together if you're thinking about getting divorced.

1016
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.079
While I was going to my car to call my

1017
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.000
divorce attorney, and I heard you, and so I did

1018
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.480
call him. I heard your phone number, so what should

1019
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.920
I do. So that's the power of the presence and

1020
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:10.440
the Lord speaking through a tool to reach a heart

1021
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.320
just where that woman needed it. So presumably she didn't

1022
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.239
go through at the divorce. And there's generational impact as

1023
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:19.280
a result of staying together. Not that it was all

1024
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.920
honkey dory perfect, but in the grid of life we

1025
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.880
developed that faith in God and generations get touched well.

1026
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.280
John Fuller, thank you for your faithfulness and the ministry

1027
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:35.039
what you and Jim Daily have been doing for you,

1028
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.199
for we people of faith. You know you've been such

1029
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.760
a blessing all these years. John Fuller the co host

1030
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.599
of Focus on the Family's daily broadcast with Focus President

1031
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.960
Jim Daily, which has a domestic audience of over six

1032
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.320
million listeners and counting. John Fuller, thank you so much

1033
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.000
for being with us. Take care, God bless my friend.

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Thank you so much.

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Bill.

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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

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Well, Good morning America. Greg, Glad you joined us. I'm

1057
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.719
Bill Martinez. Six minutes thrapped to the top of the hour.

1058
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:14.000
Doctor George Barnet is back with us. Finally he's been

1059
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.400
running as heart as he can to stay away from you.

1060
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.360
I don't blame you. I mean, actually the true story

1061
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.599
is he buys me lunch in California and then I

1062
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.880
stand him up. On the following weekend, I confess I

1063
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.239
throw myself on the mercy of the court. Doctor George,

1064
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:30.519
please forgive me. Never will it ever happen again?

1065
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.159
Yeah, I've heard that before. Yeah, throw clink, I get.

1066
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.039
It right, exactly. Please get that well. I'll tell you.

1067
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:44.320
As spiritual grows, I should say, a speculation grows about

1068
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:48.320
a spiritual awakening amongst young Americans following the September twenty

1069
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.599
twenty five assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk. A new

1070
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.840
research from you and the Cultural Research Center at Arizona

1071
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:59.519
Christian University is finding that gen Z is moving in

1072
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.360
two opposite spiritual directions at the same time. What's going

1073
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:05.639
on here, George.

1074
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:09.639
Well, you know, I mean, people often change in this manner.

1075
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.000
There's some good things that happen in their life. There's some,

1076
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.159
you know, not so good things that they move toward.

1077
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.320
And so that's what we're seeing with this particular generation.

1078
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.440
First of all, we got to remember that when we

1079
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.159
talk about all these changes that are taking place in

1080
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.000
the beliefs and behaviors.

1081
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:27.159
Of that group.

1082
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.280
Every behavior or belief change that we're talking about isn't

1083
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.559
experienced by every person in that generation. Most of them

1084
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.519
experience one or two of these, not the whole shooting range.

1085
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.159
So we've got to keep that in mind. But then

1086
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.639
also when we look at the big picture, we stand

1087
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.920
back and say, Okay, is this a generation that's in

1088
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:53.159
the beginning stages of revival. I don't think so. It

1089
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:54.760
certainly doesn't look that way.

1090
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:55.320
Now.

1091
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.039
There's some good things that are going on, but as

1092
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.599
I mentioned, there's some counterbalancing things too, So to me,

1093
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.000
it kind of looks like business as usual. We've seen

1094
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:10.719
no change in the worldview of that particular generation over

1095
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.960
the last year or two, and so they remain the

1096
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:17.559
lowest of all the generations in terms of having a

1097
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.719
biblical worldview. But in defense of that group, you've got

1098
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.239
to recognize also that it took them years to develop

1099
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:29.000
exaceral view, and so if they're going to change it,

1100
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.960
that's going to take years as well. So maybe we

1101
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:33.400
just need to be more patient.

1102
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.400
Well exactly, well, you know, I keep reminding people we're

1103
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.880
of the microwave generation. We stand in front of a

1104
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.920
microwave and yell her rap, you know. And and of

1105
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.800
course I think in this case, for all the right reasons,

1106
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.960
we want to think optimistically. You know, that God is moving.

1107
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.719
We see responses. You know, you've heard me talk about this.

1108
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:56.760
I say, you know, evidence of you know, bonfires, I say,

1109
01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.679
bonfires of revival maybe here and there, you know kind

1110
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.239
of thing. But they're just not It doesn't seem to

1111
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.039
be that one catalytic event that brings them all together.

1112
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:08.920
And as you said, and rightfully so. And that's what

1113
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.079
I remind people as well, is that, you know, especially

1114
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.920
the last five years of their educational life, they've been

1115
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.079
indoctrinated to believe something that you know that a lot

1116
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:20.920
of people in mainstream America are trying to understand, you know,

1117
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.199
what's going on with our kids? What happened to our kids? Right?

1118
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.559
Yeah, And you know, you talk about a catalytic event,

1119
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.239
and so a lot of people were saying, oh, the

1120
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.400
murder of Charlie Kirk would be that, right, because immediately

1121
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.880
after that we heard all these reports about, oh, Bible

1122
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.119
sales are breaking records and a lot more people are

1123
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.679
flocking back to church. So we actually did a piece

1124
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.679
of research, and that's in this report here where we

1125
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.079
look at four months before Charlie was murdered and four

1126
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.599
months after he was murdered, what happened. And with this

1127
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.559
generation gen Z in particular, what we see is, yeah,

1128
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:01.440
there were some changes. On balance, they actually moved farther

1129
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.000
away from Christianity than closer to it, So I don't

1130
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.320
think we can say that that was probably the catalytic event.

1131
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:12.599
We did see that church attendance went up. We saw

1132
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.360
that more of them were willing to call themselves Christian.

1133
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:20.639
We saw that more of them said, well, I'd be

1134
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:24.400
willing to read the Bible, and they would do it occasionally,

1135
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.000
but there wasn't a concerted effort. There wasn't a consistent

1136
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.320
effort to do that. And then with their beliefs, and

1137
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.400
beliefs are important because you do what you believe, so

1138
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.360
you've got beliefs preceding behavior. When we look at the

1139
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:42.639
changes in belief what we see is that they've moved

1140
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:47.199
closer to socialism than capitalism. They've moved farther away from

1141
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:52.920
believing absolute moral truth exists. They've moved more towards saying

1142
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:56.360
that they believed Jesus Christ's sinned while he was on earth.

1143
01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.880
You know, they've moved more towards saying that you can

1144
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.280
earn your way into heaven. So you know, you look

1145
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.400
at those things, you say, yeah, that doesn't sound like revival.

1146
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.920
To me, right, exactly. Well, and Corer, you know to

1147
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.320
all that you've been doing in your research is biblical worldview,

1148
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.679
and as you said, it's stuck at one percent. I

1149
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:18.800
mean when I saw that number, George, I was surprised.

1150
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.039
I thought, oh, come on, give me a tick at least,

1151
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.519
you know, right.

1152
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.280
Yeah, I mean that's what we were looking for. It's like,

1153
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.599
come on, show some positive movement. The president of Arizona

1154
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:31.079
Christian you know, I work closely with her, he said, George,

1155
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.400
before you retire, before you leave, we want to make

1156
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.239
sure that you see some positive growth in all of this.

1157
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:38.880
You know.

1158
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:40.440
So I guess I'm going to be there a bit

1159
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:42.719
longer because you know we're not seeing it yet.

1160
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.760
Well but just what, Well, when you get to heaven,

1161
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.519
they'll be positive growth. Absolutely, they'll be rocket's redglaar.

1162
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:49.800
Right.

1163
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:50.679
Yeah. You know.

1164
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:52.360
The other reality is once we get to have and

1165
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.119
we're not going to care about all this. We're going

1166
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.280
to be focused on God and Jesus, and you know,

1167
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.800
it's like, hallelujah, I've made it. I'm here, Let me

1168
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.239
enjoy it, let me glorify you this as a vacation.

1169
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.079
Yeah, exactly, because like I said, there's you know, when

1170
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:08.880
you get to have it and there's no fussing or fighting,

1171
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.000
you are in the midst of truth, right You're surrounding

1172
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.400
your bait, and truth is like, oh my goodness, you know, well,

1173
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:18.320
how did I miss this? You know, and all those

1174
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.920
things that are attached to our humanness will fade away,

1175
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.920
thank God, because of God's glory. And can't wait right

1176
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:28.719
because all this fussing that we do right now, what

1177
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:32.519
a waste of time and energy and humanity and a

1178
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.840
degradation of God's Creation's that's what makes me sad. Is

1179
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.519
I see these kids today that they're wasting precious time.

1180
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.840
George, Well, it's true now, Bill.

1181
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.360
Last night I turned in the final manuscript for my

1182
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.039
next book, and it looks at what we call the

1183
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.440
seven cornerstones of the Biblical worldview, kind of breaks the

1184
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.719
down and talks about what can you do to really

1185
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.639
embrace this And one of the things that struck me

1186
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.320
after going through the entire manuscript re editing it is.

1187
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.639
You know, we put so much energy into so many

1188
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.480
things that don't matter at all, And if we just

1189
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:10.880
realize that the only reason we're here is to no

1190
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.239
love and serve God with all our heart, mind, strength,

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and soul every moment of every day. And if we

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simply did that, and I'm not trying to be naive,

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I know they're going to be the troubles of the world.

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We're in a spiritual war. I get all that, but

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sometimes we lose sight of the big picture, which is

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that ultimately we were made by God for him. Ultimately,

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if we confess our sins repent except Christ as our savior,

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we're going to return to Him and enjoy Him. And

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that's all that's going to matter. So all this other

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stuff that's driving us nuts every day we're not going

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to remember, We're not going to care about, and it's

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not going to matter. So let's get a jump on

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it and say, hey, you know what, let me figure

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out it doesn't matter now and just start focusing on

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the glue glory of God and doing things that will

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bring honor and pleasure to Him. And He's going to

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bless me for that and everybody's going to be happy.

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Well exactly. And George, the thing is is that even

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on an individual basis, it is the peace of God

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that surpasses all understanding that you now you get the

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key and you get to open the lock to God's

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so it's really an issue of priorities. What matters

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most to me, I think sometimes when I get all

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wound up in my daily travails, the issue is that

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I have prioritized the things that seem important in this

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life rather than prioritizing the things that.

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Are important to God.

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And so if I'm really going to be a disciple

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of Jesus, I need to have the mind of Christ,

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Jesus didn't get caught up and all that stuff, you know,

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or along every day. He dealt with the day as

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it came to him. But somehow he maintained that focus

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on heavenly and internal things. And that's what each of

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us who's trying to be a disciple of Jesus needs

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to keep in mind. I've got to have that same

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focus that Jesus had. He told us it's possible to do.

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He told us it's not easy to do. We know

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going to make our choices appropriately.

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the one and only and even infamous some say, and

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I second that emotion. He's the director of research at

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Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center, the author of Raising

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Spiritual Champions, and we're talking about his latest installment, gen

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Z moving toward faith and away from it at the

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same time. It's interesting, you know, and I think it's

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endemic of the human experience. You get that push pull

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kind of dynamic going on. By the way, this is

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the third report in the twenty twenty six America's Worldview Inventory,

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which is I guess going to lead to your new

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book soon to be coming out. You know that again

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is going to remind us of all these things that

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you've learned. I mean, George, this has been you know,

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decades of work in research. And in fact, I was

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just bragging about you to a friend this morning. You know,

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he said, what are you going to do? I go, well,

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I got an interview with doctor George Barna.

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I go.

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He's just become such a dear friend and he's helped

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me so much because when I came out of Bible College,

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you know, the idea of a biblical worldview, he was

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the only one that was talking about it, and it

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just it just really wrung with me. It just it's

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just so connected in my heart. And it also was

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confirmed when God said, hey, I want you to talk

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about that. I want you to talk about my truth

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and I want you to talk about biblical worldview. And

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look what happens. He puts us two knuckleheads together and

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we've been joined at the hip ever since. And you know,

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and we've and we've almost made it to the FBI's

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you know, most wanted.

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Well, you know, heaven's getting a knucklehead sandwich today, I'll

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tell you that.

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But you know, it's.

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Interesting, yeah, because when I think back about biblical worldview,

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you say, I was the only one talking about Well,

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when I came to christ after a couple of years

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working in the research industry, I was hired by a

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Christian ministry to do research for them, and so I

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built up their department doing that and marketing and whatnot.

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And when I came into the organization, they had meetings

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with me for a couple of weeks, and they pretty

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quickly realized this guy doesn't know anything, and so they

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sent me back to Washington, d C. Where the National

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Religious Broadcasters annual event was their convention. This was back

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in nineteen eighty two, I mean eons ago, and I

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didn't know anybody in the Christian world because I was

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a new Christian, didn't know the lingo, didn't know squat,

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and so I said, well, I guess I should go

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to the keynote sessions. Well, the keynote sessions were Chuck Colson,

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Charles Stanley, and Francis Schaeffer. It's like, you know, the

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pantheon of living worldview biblical worldview thinkers, and they all

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talked about biblical worldview, which is a phrase I'd never

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even heard, and so I was just stunned and overwhelmed

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by what they did. And the last session was doctor

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Schaefer's session, and on the way out, his publisher, Crossway Books,

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gave everybody a free copy of his new book at

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that time, called a Christian Manifesto.

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And I stayed up till two or.

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Three that morning reading that whole book, and then woke

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up the next morning started rereading it because I didn't

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understand half of it, you know, But I mean that

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was for me what got me on that trail. So

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you know, we always stand on the shoulder of giants

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who came before us, as they did as well, you know.

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So if I have the ability to open anybody's eyes

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and ears and heart to this notion of biblical worldview,

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which simply means you got to think like Jesus so

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that you can live like Jesus, which is what being

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a disciple is, and that's what we're called to do

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while we're on earth. So I mean, it's one big

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circle that we're trying to move people into. But yeah,

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I mean, what a great introduction I had to the

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whole process. And I hope people get to read their

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works as well, because there's so seminole. Chuck Colson wrote

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great books about worldview. Francis Schaeffer wrote, eye opening, you know,

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mind blowing stuff about worldview. And I'm like a pop

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worldview guy, you know, I take it and bring it

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down to the what was branches because that's all I

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can understand. But you know, I mean, we've all got

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to get in the entry somehow and then start making

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progress down that pathway to thinking like Jesus.

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Well, as you said, thinking and being like Jesus, and

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as you were saying earlier to me, the thing that

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consistently sticks out is that the first thing Jesus did.

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It's always first things, right, you got it starts with

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first things. What was the first thing that Jesus did? Right?

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Yeah, for sure? I mean you know he starts, well,

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first the first thing he did. I'm not sure what

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you were going to say. What I would say is

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once he got into ministry, he started building relationships, right,

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you know, because if you're going to make disciples, they've

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got to know you, they've got to trust you, they've

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got to spend time with you. That's what relationships are about,

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you know. And then he started engaging in showing them

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a different lifestyle. Now they're intrigued, and so then they

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start asking questions then you have the conversations and he

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He didn't just jump in and say all right, here's truth.

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No, I mean, there was a lot of foundation that

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he laid before he got into that.

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What I was going to say was that he got

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away and prayed.

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First thing before he started into ministry.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, he had to have his foundation right.

1428
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.399
Right, and his source was the Father.

1429
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:42.319
You know.

1430
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.439
The Father is the source, the source of truth, and

1431
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.479
the one who gives us wisdom, that gives it to us,

1432
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:54.159
you know, without any sense of rejection and compromise. You know,

1433
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:55.960
if we asked for it, he'll give it to us.

1434
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.479
But you see, we're not asking. And I think that's

1435
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.199
one of the other challenges that we have. We, you know,

1436
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.319
in the process of building a relationship not only as

1437
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:09.600
you say, horizontally, but we have to build the relationship

1438
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.399
vertically with God. And when you as you do, then

1439
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.640
you get to ask some of these questions that probably

1440
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.039
here to before you thought, oh my god, if I

1441
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:17.439
asked that question, he's going to kill me.

1442
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:19.840
You know, absolutely, you know.

1443
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.800
And one of the things that I think we learn

1444
01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.880
over the course of time and experience is that you know,

1445
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.720
we we think we're pretty together, we're pretty good. You know,

1446
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:33.159
we're doing fine. But with time and experience with God

1447
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.239
and in His word, what you come to see is

1448
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:41.239
that I have no power except that which God gives me.

1449
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:45.479
I have no wisdom accept that which God gives me.

1450
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.680
And what he gives me he didn't give to me

1451
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.199
for me. He gave it to me so I could

1452
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:56.600
be a blessing to other people. Principle. So yeah, I mean,

1453
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.840
the deeper we get into this and you don't have

1454
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.399
to go too deep to real life those things. But

1455
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.920
the deeper and deeper you go, the more you realize, yeah,

1456
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:07.039
it's not about me. I'm just a conduit. I'm a

1457
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:12.039
vessel that God wants to use to impact the lives

1458
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:15.079
of other people, just like other people allowed Him to

1459
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:18.000
use them so that I could come to him. So

1460
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.119
that's how the family of God.

1461
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:22.880
Grows, Right, George, I got to tell you there were

1462
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.159
several surprises in this latest report. One of them that

1463
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:28.960
got my attention right away was this five point increase

1464
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:32.159
in weekly church attendance since May of twenty twenty five,

1465
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:36.119
alongside an eighteen point increase in the belief that Jesus

1466
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:39.359
Christ sinned while on earth. Who told them that.

1467
01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:44.680
Well, I'm not sure they're actually listening, or maybe they're

1468
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:49.359
going to the wrong places. But I mean, there's this

1469
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:54.520
whole thing where people walk into the church with a

1470
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.399
full slate of religious beliefs.

1471
01:20:57.760 --> 01:20:58.439
It's not like.

1472
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:02.840
They're coming in in a vacuum or as a blank slate.

1473
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:07.279
That slate has already been written all over. And so

1474
01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:10.960
if they come to church often what happens, we found

1475
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:13.920
is they're looking for confirmation for.

1476
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.159
What they already believed.

1477
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.760
And if they don't hear anything about what they already believed,

1478
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.319
they just keep on believing what they were believing, right,

1479
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:24.760
And so they walk into the church with these kinds

1480
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:27.439
of beliefs. You know, at the same time that there

1481
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:30.439
was an eighteen point increase in thinking Jesus in there

1482
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:32.720
was an eighteen point increase in thinking there's no such

1483
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:37.760
thing as absolute moral truth, you know, a fifteen point

1484
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.960
increase in thinking I have to earn my way into

1485
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:43.279
heaven if it exists, and if I'm going.

1486
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:43.760
To go there.

1487
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:47.119
So there's a lot of garbage that people walk into

1488
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:51.840
the church believing and thinking that the guy up front

1489
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:57.119
behind the podium is magically going to attack and persuade

1490
01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:02.279
these people to think differently. Is not a good probability.

1491
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.840
And that's why each of us building relationships with these

1492
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:08.640
people coming in is so critical because we can talk

1493
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:11.439
to them about what they believe, find it out, and

1494
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:14.560
dig deeper into it with them, and then we have

1495
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:18.560
the opportunity to bring the change into their belief system

1496
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:20.279
that they so desperately need.

1497
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:22.560
Well, Doctor George, as we wrap things up on to

1498
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.319
remind everybody, he's the director of research at Arizona Christian

1499
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.800
Universities Cultural Research Center, author of Brazing Spiritual Champions, new book.

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01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.840
Whin's the new book coming out middle.

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To end of June. It's called how to Think Like Jesus.

1502
01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:39.640
Wow, I love it. I cannot wait. Well again, as

1503
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:43.920
we wrap things up from this research, what's the key

1504
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.239
takeaway that you want our audience to get.

1505
01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.359
Don't even worry about whether or not revivals happening. Want

1506
01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:55.600
to be part of revival happening in America. And in

1507
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:58.399
order to do that, don't look for it elsewhere and

1508
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.560
applaud it as it goes on. You be part of

1509
01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:06.439
that revival impetus that needs to have feet on the

1510
01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:09.760
ground here in America. Find the people in your circle

1511
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:14.079
who don't know Jesus, Show them Jesus by how you live,

1512
01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.640
and then explain Jesus to them through your conversations.

1513
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:18.800
I love that.

1514
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:23.079
Go be the Revival. What a call. It's just like

1515
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.880
Jesus says he was leaving Earth. He gave us a

1516
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:28.439
clear commandment. George Barnet, He's not leaving earth, but he

1517
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:32.960
tells us clearly, go be the Revival. Thank you, Thanks Bill,

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love you take care, take care of my friend.

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for Patriots, Hey.

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Good morning, welcome back, good dad, your weather us Bill

1590
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.039
Martinez Here, of course, we are remembering a hell of

1591
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:49.840
day in our country, Memorial Day and James Hony is

1592
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going to be joining us in just a moment. He's

1593
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a senior policy advisor at USAA and a retired Navy

1594
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Master Chief. It is a powerful tribute now covering part

1595
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.760
of the National Mall in Washington, with more than six

1596
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hundred thousand poppies placed to honor fallen US service members,

1597
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.039
and as I mentioned, joining us now as retired US

1598
01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:13.760
Navy Chief Petty Officer James Honey, the senior Policy advisor

1599
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.960
at USAA, to talk about the meaning behind this poppy

1600
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:21.079
wall of honor and why continues to resonate with military

1601
01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:23.920
families across the country. James, welcome to show. Good to

1602
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:24.920
have you with us.

1603
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:28.159
Thank you, Bill, thanks for having me.

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01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:32.800
I've always maintained that being a military, being a Marine myself,

1605
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.880
that this is a most hallowed day for anybody that's

1606
01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:41.840
served in the military, for the families associated, and primarily

1607
01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:45.479
for those that went before us and paid the ultimate price. Right.

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01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:51.880
You're exactly right, Bill. In this nation we have a

1609
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:54.760
solemn promise to those that go and fight and defend

1610
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.960
our away a life in our freedoms that no one

1611
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:01.479
has left behind, and if someone in combat, we make

1612
01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:04.159
sure we return them to their families. That includes their

1613
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.680
stories and their legacy and their memory. I think that

1614
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:08.520
on a moral day, it's a perfect time for us

1615
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:12.680
to pause, reflect to remember that memory and that legacy.

1616
01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:16.239
Well as some of us might remember from history, the

1617
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:19.960
poppy has been a part and associated as remembrance of

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01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.279
the fallen for well over one hundred years. And here

1619
01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:26.720
we are about to celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

1620
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.479
Our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary doesn't happen without the

1621
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.760
sacrifice of the million plus men and women of the

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01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:35.279
military that paid that price.

1623
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:41.600
Right, You're absolutely right, Bill. And here at the USAA

1624
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.399
Poppy Wall of Honor, we have over six hundred and

1625
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.520
forty six thousand poppies that are in this poppy wall

1626
01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:51.239
behind me. That's there to represent the over six hundred

1627
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:54.119
and forty six thousand service members that we've lost in

1628
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.439
combat since World War One. And here, if you come

1629
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:01.880
to visit, you really truly get to understand the weight

1630
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.119
and the gravity of what that sacrifice and service means.

1631
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:08.359
What a hallowed walk, you know, to go buy this,

1632
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:11.960
I mean, we're seeing pictures of this on screen, and

1633
01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:16.319
this is majestic and I think it's also I mean,

1634
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:19.640
in your sensing is that people are walking by, they

1635
01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:23.520
do so with honor and respect. There seems to be

1636
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:27.359
and maybe I'm over emphasizing this, but there just seems

1637
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:32.000
to be a you know, a quietness about it, a solemnity.

1638
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:33.000
Is that fair to say?

1639
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:38.800
It's very fair to say, Bill, it you know, it

1640
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:41.760
evokes that type of feeling and emotion. You know, the

1641
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.720
gravity and the weight as I was describing a minute

1642
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:50.279
ago certainly comes through. And in flanders Field is a

1643
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:54.399
poem that was written after World War One. A soldier

1644
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:57.600
was burying a good friend at the end of World

1645
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.319
War One and he was able to recognize all the

1646
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:03.279
poppies that were growing across flanders Field, on the cemetery

1647
01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:05.600
and across all the grave sites, and he put that

1648
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:08.760
into poem and that poem became popular, and that's how

1649
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:12.199
the poppy became a popular symbol to recognize that loss.

1650
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:15.760
You know, every time I hear that poem, I cannot

1651
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:19.479
help tears will just you know, come out of my eyes.

1652
01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:22.279
I mean they just rolled down my face because it's

1653
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.199
so poignant, isn't it? It is?

1654
01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:30.600
Bill? And you know, yourself, being a marine and a

1655
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.960
fellow service member. You understand that weight, and you understand

1656
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:38.399
what loss is and and it it's heavy on you.

1657
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:42.600
And it's good for us to have these moments in

1658
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:45.880
these days together that we remember those that we've lost.

1659
01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:48.960
Yeah, and this is so important, as you say, James,

1660
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.960
that we that we share it with our family members.

1661
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:56.199
I mean, the tradition must be carried forward and we

1662
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:59.680
must honor the fallen and remember that freedom is not free.

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That comes with a price.

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You're absolutely right, And no one is truly lost until

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they're forgotten. And if we can keep their memories alive

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and keep their legacy alive with all of us, you know,

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then that sacrifice will be honored and understood. And that

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is what we're doing across Memorial Day in this country.

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Many people will view this as the official beginning of

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01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:27.960
summer and are going to want to have barbecues and

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surround themselves with family. That's a good and necessary thing.

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But while we do that, I asked that we take

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a moment and reflect and remember those that have paid

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that sacrifice.

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We're talking to James Hone, who retired US Navy leader

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currently serves as a senior policy advisor at USAA retired

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01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.720
after nearly thirty eight years of military service, including serving

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as the sixteenth Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy.

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What a career, James. I mean, you look back on that,

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01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:02.680
and I'm sure you have to be proud of your

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01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.560
you know of your experience, your accomplishment and service to

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01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:09.920
our country. And I say, thank you for your service.

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01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:18.520
I appreciate that, Bill, And you understand, as being a

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01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:22.720
prior service member and a Marine yourself, that it's it's

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01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:23.760
an honor to serve.

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01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:25.560
Yes, it's a privilege.

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01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:28.640
And in the men and women that I was able

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01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:32.399
to serve with all those years is why we do it.

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01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:36.319
And I look back on those thirty eight years with

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01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:40.079
nothing but fondness and respect and gratitude.

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01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:42.840
You know. I had a colonel that I met at

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01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:46.560
a Laying of the Reef ceremony last year, and somebody

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01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:48.479
had come up to him and said, thank you for

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01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.680
your service, and it's very kind of people to remember

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01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.840
that and say. But I loved his response, James, and

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01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.840
I shared it with all my military brothers and sisters

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01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:00.399
I speak with. His response was perfect, and I said,

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01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.159
I'm going to steal that response. He said, I did

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01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:03.840
it for you.

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01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:09.000
Exactly. You deserve it.

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01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:12.159
That's what I like to tell fellow Americans that thank

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01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:14.119
me for my services, because you deserve it.

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01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.319
Yeah, I mean think about that. You deserve it. And

1704
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.239
it's humbling in so many ways. And if people can

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01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:23.680
really gather that, I know, there seems to be more

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01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.920
and more conversation these days. You know that only about

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01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.680
one percent of our population serves in the military. And

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01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.640
you know, I think that whenever anything positive happens in

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01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.560
your life, you want to share it with other people.

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01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:37.479
And I think, oh wow, you know for the other

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01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:39.720
ninety nine people. You know, my experience in the Marine

1712
01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:43.319
Corps was absolutely incredible, just as yours was in the Navy.

1713
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:45.399
I mean the things that you learned along the way,

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01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.439
the people that you met, and friends that you were

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01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:52.720
able to make along the way as well. I mean,

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01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:56.720
where else but the military could you possibly experience something

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01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:57.680
so exceptional.

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01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:05.039
You're absolutely right that one percent that serve are exceptional.

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01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:05.880
Uh.

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01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.560
They are the finest men and women that this country has.

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01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:12.279
And uh, it's incredibly humbling that the people that you

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01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:16.119
get to serve with, uh, And uh, I'm with you.

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01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:16.479
It was.

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01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:18.560
It was tremendous.

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01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.319
Yeah, you know, you touched a little bit on some

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01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:25.119
simple ways that people can honor the Military Memorial Day

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01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.920
this year. And you know, and I say, anytime you

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01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.399
can get the family involved, get the young kids involved.

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01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.159
I mean, it's amazing you watch them whenever the stories

1730
01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:38.079
of you know, military accomplishments the history of our country,

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01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:41.439
their eyes lighten light up, you know. And even though

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01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.880
there is you know, some controversy over you know, the

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01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:49.000
military and action at times, but it's okay. It's it's

1734
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:55.000
part of the rich tapestry of our history, isn't it.

1735
01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:58.840
It certainly is. And I agree with you. We should

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01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:00.960
involve the youth of this nation and make sure they

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01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:04.920
understand and it sparked their imagination and let them understand,

1738
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:08.239
you know, what this means. And this is a perfect

1739
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.760
way to do that. On this weekend, come down here

1740
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:14.119
to the National Mall in Washington, DC. And I know

1741
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.720
I'm biased. After thirty eight years of the Navy, I

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01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.399
went and visited capital cities all over the world. We

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01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:22.880
have no finer and more beautiful city than Washington, d C.

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01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:25.640
It's the finest of the capital cities in the world.

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01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.680
Come down here to the National Mall. The USA Poppy

1746
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:32.079
Wall of Honor. We're located right here by the World

1747
01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:36.079
War Two Memorial. Come learn and understand what that legacy

1748
01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:38.760
and the weight and the gravity of that service.

1749
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:42.199
James, What is it about the poppy? Why has it

1750
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:44.760
become such a powerful symbol of remembers? I mean, going

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01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:48.720
all the way back, you know, to the early nineteen hundreds,

1752
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.039
it just seemed to just capture the imagination and the

1753
01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:53.920
hearts of people across the country.

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01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.600
Bill, as you and I were just talking a few

1755
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:02.640
minutes ago, and the poem in flanders Field that gets

1756
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:06.640
people's attention when when you read that and understand it

1757
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:11.039
and the emotion that evokes that people want to then

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01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:14.199
represent and put a poppy on their lapel and h

1759
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:15.359
and be a part of that.

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01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:19.159
Again, as we wrap things up here, James, I'm so

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01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:22.199
grateful for your time that you've given us today. Where

1762
01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.560
can the good folks go to experience the USA a

1763
01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:26.800
poppy Wall of Honor or learn more?

1764
01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:29.079
Well?

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01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:30.880
Come here at the National Mall. We're right next to

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01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.840
the World War Two Museum World War Two Memorial here

1767
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.640
in Washington, d C. And if you can't come to

1768
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:40.800
d C, visits at USA dot com slash Memorial Day.

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01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:45.079
And as a final wrap to this, James, your sentiments

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about Memorial Day.

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01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:54.760
My sentiments are as I said. It's a solemn promise

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01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:57.600
that we have to those that have pay that ultimate

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01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.279
sacrifice to keep their legacy alive. No one is truly

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01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:04.680
lost until they have been forgotten. So let's keep them alive.

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01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:09.199
James Honey, Senior Policy Advisor at USAA, a retired Navy

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01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:12.319
Master Chief. James, an honor to have you on the show.

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01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:13.960
Thank you so much for being with us. Take care,

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01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:14.760
God bless.

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01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:17.000
You're welcome.

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Thank you.

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In Flandersfields, the poppies blow between the crosses row on

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01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:25.560
row that mark our place, and in the sky the

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01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:30.640
lark still bravely singing fly scarce heard amid the guns below.

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01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:34.640
We are the dead. Short days ago we lived, felt dawn,

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01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:37.920
saw sunset glow, loved and were loved. And now we

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01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:41.960
lie in Flandersfield. Take up our quarrel with the foe

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01:38:42.439 --> 01:38:45.880
to you from failing hands. We throw the torch, be

1788
01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:48.720
yours to hold it high. If you break faith with

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01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:52.479
us who die, we shall not sleep. Though poppies grow

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01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.159
in Flandersfield. May this day be a hallowed day for you,

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as we Remember those who paid the price for our life, liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness. Memorial Day, twenty twenty six

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Hey, we're back with you.

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Bill Martinez here along with Bill Devlin, the pastor himself,

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and we're going to be talking about Memorial Day, amongst

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other things. He's a decorated Vietnam a combat vet and

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Purple Heart recipient. We're grateful for your service, Bill, you know,

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and I like it.

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I was.

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I met a colonel at a wathlaying ceremony last year.

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You might appreciate this. And people who often say, you know,

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with me being a marine, I served during Vietnam States,

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but you know, people will say, hey, thank you, you know,

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thank you for your service. And he had the best

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line I've heard so far. He said he tells people

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when they say that, he goes, you know, I did

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it for you.

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Amen. Oh that's a great line. Perfect.

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I told him. I said, I'm going to steal that,

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and I try to remember that as often as I can,

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because you know, when it comes down to it, Bills,

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you know, that's what we did. We did it. We

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did it for We did it for them. Uh, you know,

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all colors, black and white. You know, we didn't sit

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there and say, oh, we're still gonna do it for

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the white folk. I mean, we did it for Americans, right.

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01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:19.600
Yes, we did. And you know we all bleed the

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same color regardless of our outside color. And thank you,

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Bill Martinez, and welcome home from a fellow Vietnam vet.

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And you know I always have with me my DD

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two fourteen, right, because I'm always on fire. I carry

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you with me actually, because I'm always on fire about

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stolen valor, like something like US Senator Richard Blumenthal.

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Oh my gosh, yes, and many others. And you got

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Governor Waltz.

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Governor Waltz is yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It goes on and on.

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It's like, but put on your big boy pants and

1907
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just don't lie about your military service and show us,

1908
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you know, give me your DD two fourteen. I'll tell

1909
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us everything. And you know, I wear my Vietnam pin

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on my lapel every day to remember those sisters and

1911
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brothers who never made it home. And I'm privileged, you know.

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I volunteered to go in and then I was gloriously

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transformed by the power of Jesus after I was in

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the Navy, which I call the Junior Marines. After I

1915
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was in the Navy after a year, and I was

1916
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gloriously converted to Jesus by one of the Jesus freaks

1917
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there in southern California. And then two weeks later God

1918
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told me to go over and fight in Vietnam. So

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I volunteered twice. And I'm happy. My line is, I

1920
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was grateful to shed my blood to provide freedom for

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all of US Americans. So it's not every day you

1922
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meet somebody who has shed blood in order to secure

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the freedom. And of course those who gave the ultimate sacrifice,

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those sisters and brothers that we now will memorialize again

1925
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on this coming Monday, on Memorial Day. So, brother Bill,

1926
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thanks so much for bringing attention to that, and I

1927
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was happy to serve. I spent four of the best

1928
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years of my life on the USS boss Cel DD

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eight forty five that was forward deployed out of Yukoska, Japan,

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and we spent a lot of time throwing bombs over

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there in Vietnam. And so I'm grateful to be home.

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Five great kids, all married, all love Jesus, and we're

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expecting grandchild number fourteen here on August twenty twenty six.

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Yeah.

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And I have two Nigerian granddaughters and I have a

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Nigerian daughter that we adopted. Their parents were sadly murdered

1937
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.680
and beheaded by Boko Haram. So I am a full

1938
01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:56.479
time pastor to the persecuted church. I go to fifteen

1939
01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:00.000
countries in Africa, Middle East, and Central Asia, and I

1940
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:05.520
care I pastor, the persecuted church and all these fifteen countries.

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Think of Nigeria, Northern Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Gozas, Syria, Jordan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan,

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Sri Lanka. Those are some of the places that I.

1943
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Go, Well, Bill, and you're a testimony here in your

1944
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travels to these persecuted areas, and you're seeing the church

1945
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grow in the midst of persecution. God has a way

1946
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of reversing the plans of the evil one, thinking he's

1947
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going to ultimately destroy, you know, his creation, and God says, okay,

1948
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you know, have at it. And meanwhile, you know, the

1949
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.560
church is expanding and people are coming to Christ in

1950
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:46.359
record numbers.

1951
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Yeah. And you know I always say Jesus is all

1952
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about addition and multiplication, and that's God's mathematics. Well, I

1953
01:47:56.359 --> 01:48:00.119
say to people, you know, Satan has mathematics too. It's

1954
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:04.720
called subtraction and division. So you know, when you think,

1955
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.399
what's amazing to me is that the addition sign is

1956
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in the you know, the shape of a cross ross.

1957
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I was going to say, exactly as is.

1958
01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:18.720
The multiplication sign. And yet the subtraction sign is only

1959
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:22.720
it's not the complete cross. So I am privileged to

1960
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be over there to minister and pastor the persecuted church

1961
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:31.199
in these fifteen countries. God gave me that idea fourteen

1962
01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:34.159
years ago. I was pastoring a big church in Manhattan,

1963
01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:36.479
New York City. Who wouldn't want a pastor in New

1964
01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:37.119
York City?

1965
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Right?

1966
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And God just used three words God, Gospel, and good News.

1967
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And God said, take the first two letters of those

1968
01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:50.600
three words, GoGG o, go, go go. And I said, Lord,

1969
01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:52.680
where do you want me to go? And the Lord said,

1970
01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:55.520
go to the persecuted church, Go to the broken, the neglected,

1971
01:48:55.560 --> 01:49:00.760
the forgotten, the dispossessed, the disenfranchise, the persecute church. And

1972
01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:04.840
I've done now, over the last fourteen years, three hundred

1973
01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:11.880
mission trips, give or take a few to these persecuted Christians,

1974
01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:15.640
brothers and sisters. And you know what's sad, Bill is

1975
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:18.000
I'm the only one that does it. You know, you

1976
01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:20.119
would think that there would be a ton of pastors.

1977
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:23.960
But when I ask pastors to come with me to Iraq,

1978
01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:26.960
you know what they say. They always say, is it's safe.

1979
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:30.039
And I say to them, the call of Jesus never

1980
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:34.119
gives provision for safety. Security, or comfort. We're warriors.

1981
01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:34.680
You know.

1982
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I learned how to be a warrior in Vietnam, and

1983
01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:41.840
that's I was a baby Christian. I arrived there about

1984
01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:44.399
a month old than the Lord. And there were two

1985
01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:49.479
hundred and fifty enlisted in officers on my ship, and

1986
01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:55.600
there were only two believers there, me and brother Smitty,

1987
01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:58.479
a petty officer first class Bostin's may we are the

1988
01:49:58.520 --> 01:50:01.880
only two believers. I'm this on this ship. And we

1989
01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:06.000
were mocked, we were ridiculed, you know, Holy Joe all that.

1990
01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:10.640
But you know that persecution, so to speak, Bill, really

1991
01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:15.439
it stealed my spine. And now here I am, fifty

1992
01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:18.239
five years later, still being a warrior for the Lord

1993
01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.199
Jesus Christ and pastoring the persecuted church.

1994
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Amed well, God bless you. You know. Could you imagine

1995
01:50:24.039 --> 01:50:26.520
Jesus asking the Father when the Father says you must

1996
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go to the cross, that Jesus would say, is it safe? Yes?

1997
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Exactly?

1998
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Yeah.

1999
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So I you know, I'm always about beating up my

2000
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.800
fellow pastors, like, hey, you get out a plane and

2001
01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:44.359
you fly all the way to Tel Aviv, Israel, because

2002
01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:48.600
I want to walk where Jesus walked, Okay, Or you

2003
01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:50.960
want to go and visit to seven churches of the

2004
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:54.920
Revelation in Turkea. And I said, look, the flight to

2005
01:50:55.039 --> 01:51:00.399
Nigeria is much shorter from JFK to Abousha, Nigeria. Come

2006
01:51:00.399 --> 01:51:03.319
with me and visit the persecuted church. And you know

2007
01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:07.760
they'd rather run to Israel on a big tour and

2008
01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:10.640
instead of going to the persecuted church. So I'm always

2009
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:16.039
challenging and calling my fellow brother pastors to a deeper

2010
01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:18.600
level of commitment to the persecuted church. You know, we

2011
01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:21.640
don't like to hear about the persecuted church. It's I

2012
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:23.520
do a lot of weeping when I'm over there. I

2013
01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:27.079
just got in from northern Nigeria attempting to rescue eight

2014
01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:31.039
children from an Islamist orphanage. They were kidnapped six years ago.

2015
01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:33.880
So you know, you meet with women who have seen

2016
01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.840
their husbands be headed in front of them simply because

2017
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:40.560
they love Jesus, their children cut in half by Boko

2018
01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:44.800
Haram or Islamic State West Africa Province. So but you know,

2019
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:48.239
it doesn't seem that my fellow pastors want to go

2020
01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:50.880
with me. They'll fly to Israel, they'll fly to Turkey,

2021
01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:53.840
but you won't come to Iraq. You won't come to Nigeria.

2022
01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:56.920
You won't go to Egypt or Sudan to weep with

2023
01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.840
those who weep. And you know, Esis said, as you

2024
01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:02.960
did it unto the least of these, you did it

2025
01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:07.000
unto me. So come with me. You can see me

2026
01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:11.039
at livereckless dot info. That's livereckless dot info. People don't

2027
01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:13.920
even like to go to my website, brother Bill, why

2028
01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:17.720
not live reckless? Yeah, right, exactly, to live reckless. But

2029
01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:19.840
that's what Jesus has called to.

2030
01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:23.159
Do, right and the deal that would happen. I got

2031
01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:26.359
to imagine for you, especially the first time that you

2032
01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:30.159
went to Nigeria, what did that do for your faith?

2033
01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:33.560
It actually strengthened my faith. And I've been twenty times

2034
01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:37.000
to Nigeria in the last five years. I started to

2035
01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:39.720
go and my first trip was in October of twenty

2036
01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:42.920
twenty and then I traveled there about five times during

2037
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:45.479
the midst of COVID. Don't ask me how I got in.

2038
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:48.399
It was the Lord, but it really you know, when

2039
01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:52.720
you're there seeing the suffering of our brothers and sisters.

2040
01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:55.760
You know, families that have had their church burned down,

2041
01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:59.319
families that widows that have had their houses burned down,

2042
01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:02.199
their homes burned down. You know, I was just with

2043
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:08.279
Northern Nigerian Plateau State in Zeka village where the Fulani

2044
01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:12.640
Jihannas Islamis came in and killed over fifty people. That

2045
01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:15.720
one of the mothers two of her children were cut

2046
01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:18.760
in half with a machete and they went to place

2047
01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.119
the machete on top of her head. She went like

2048
01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:23.399
this and they cut her right hand off. I was

2049
01:53:23.439 --> 01:53:27.039
able to get a reprosthesis through the Red Cross. But

2050
01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:29.359
you know, when you go there and you see the

2051
01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:33.119
suffering of our sisters and brothers there, it really breaks

2052
01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:37.000
your heart. And for me, brother Bill, it stimulated me

2053
01:53:37.119 --> 01:53:41.000
to continue to return to them in order to love

2054
01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:45.000
them and to and this is important to say to them,

2055
01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.880
the Church in America, the Church in the West, has

2056
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:53.359
not forgotten you everything that we enjoin America today because

2057
01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:56.760
the time they come where you know, as people greater

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01:53:56.840 --> 01:54:00.720
than I have said, freedom is never free. We're only

2059
01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:05.920
one generation away from total chaos and anarchies. So we

2060
01:54:06.039 --> 01:54:08.760
have to continue the fight. And part of that fight

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01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:12.239
that families can do. Moms and dads bring yourselves and

2062
01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:15.840
bring your children, whatever their ages are go as a family,

2063
01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:18.560
and remember those who gave all a man.

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01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:22.800
Over a million, people, bill over a million, and all

2065
01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:25.880
the wars combined have paid the ultimate price for the

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01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:30.279
freedoms that we enjoy today. We are a grateful nation

2067
01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:34.800
and this is an opportunity to remember them. Be grateful again,

2068
01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:39.159
and not only for them, but they're families that to

2069
01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:43.600
this day, you know, carry the weight and that missing

2070
01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:46.800
part of their lives for somebody that paid the price

2071
01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:50.279
for our freedoms. I mean, God bless them, Bill Devlin,

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01:54:50.319 --> 01:54:51.479
thank you, God bless you.

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01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:53.720
Take care of all right, check out Live Reckless dot info,

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01:54:53.840 --> 01:54:56.079
and God bless you Bill Martinez, and welcome home.

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