June 1, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 01 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 01 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 06 01 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okay, us do an Iill Martinas Live a program

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about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, right now, six minutes after the top of the

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our Bill Martinez here, and we've got doctor Torson Trey,

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a physician founding executive director of Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting,

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an international medical ethics group that has spent twenty years

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investigating China's state back practice of killing prisoners of conscience

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for their organs. You heard that right. He's a producer

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and key medical expert in the powerful new documentary Silent

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Harvest The Courage to Speak Up, which exposes how forced

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organ harvesting has become a lucrative global transplant business and

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why Americans need to know it's happening right now, Doctor Trey, welcome, Michel,

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good to have.

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You with us.

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Thank you both for having me.

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Well, I got to tell you we have a of course,

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been hearing about organ harvesting. We can, you know, rewind

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here at least ten years, if not a little bit

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longer than that, when there was a investigative reporter who

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captured planned parenthood harvesting organs of infant babies, aborted babies,

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and it was disgusting to hear about it. And then

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we've been hearing more and more, particularly about what's been

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going on with China and the Wigers specifically and how

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their organs are being harvested. And it's just like I

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think sometimes what happens in the West, news like that

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doctor is so it's just so horrific. It takes us

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a wilder process. How just how horrible it is?

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Right, Oh, it does. And actually we know about it

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about force organ harvesting in China since two thousand and six.

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There was a there was a wizard blower that was

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reported in the newspaper and when I read it, my

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first reaction was that's and possible. No doctor would do that.

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We have a medical oath. So it was it took

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a while, a couple of months to get over this

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this wall of disbelief.

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Right, Well, you say, doctors take a medical oath, hippocratic

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oath to do no harm. But I'm not sure the

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Chinese follow that oath.

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Do they?

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No, they don't. And it is actually we in the West,

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the doctors in the West. I often hear that they

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try to invite doctors from China to teach them about ethics.

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But what I heard from from a Chinese doctors who

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came to the US. They said when they did the

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US and AR test for their examination, they said that

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the most difficult subject was actually esthens medical ethics because

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they don't understand this concept. They come from a from

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an environment where the party, the one party CCP, determines

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what is good and good and bad, and there is

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no sense for ethics. Actually, they con they belittle the

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West actually for having ethical standards.

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Well, it's almost inhuman. I mean, you have to sear

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your conscience in such a way that there is no

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space whatsoever for ethical behavior. And I guess you know,

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think about it, you know, doctor try this could involve

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your own children, right, your very own children in China.

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But yet you'd have to be so calloused and disconnected

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that anything that would require some ethical consideration is negated.

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Yeah, it's what we in the West don't understand. If

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we have a doctor from China here for one or

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two years and teach them, we teach them ethics with

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the hope that they go back and bring ethics back.

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We don't understand that when this Chinese doctor goes back

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to China. He's surrounded by doctors, by a whole medical

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system that only abides by the CCP. And if you talk,

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if you talk about ethics, they will laugh at you.

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And if you talk about it for a week, then

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you'll probably end up in the prison.

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Right exactly, or something worse, because you're not conforming to

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the party doctrine.

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Exactly exactly.

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It's almost theoretical to talk about something that would be uh,

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you know, ethical, because it's not. You know, they probably

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they probably don't even have a definition for ethics, right.

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Yeah, they they know that in the West, we have

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definitions for ethics, but they refuse to adopt them. They

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just basically they only follow the rules of the CCP,

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of the one party. And we have to understand that

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if the CCP says to the doctor it is okay

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to harvest organs from prison prisoner of conscience, then for

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the doctor it means it's okay. It's what we consider

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good medicine or ethical medicine. That's what they consider as

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good to follow the party line.

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You know, think about this for just a moment. You know,

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I can't help but think how numb and disconnected they are.

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Regarding the issue that most Americans are still asking about,

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which is COVID. Was it something by purpose? Was it accident?

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If you have no conscience for it, it doesn't matter,

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it's just what you know. The ruling order says it is.

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Right exactly, this is exactly true. The again, the one

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party state is basically raising the dimension of having a conscience.

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So the conscience that we have over there is replaced

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by the doctrine of the CCP. So that's the conscience

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that they have to follow the instructions from the CCP.

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So it's we are really like living in two different dimensions.

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And that's why, for example, the of the world, organ

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transportation is based on altruistic organizations, whereas in China it

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is an on demand system. They already pre screened the

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prisoners of conscience with blood tests, typing, and medical examinations.

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So if you go to China, you can get a

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kidney actually on any organ within one or two days.

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That's possible because they're already waiting.

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Yeah, they've already got it set up ready to go.

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And I understand that if particularly if you're you know,

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a practicing Muslim, then your organs are more valuable than

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the marketplace as opposed to some everyday you know prisoner

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who maybe doesn't practice whole all in some sort of

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religious practice. And so maybe your organ in the marketplace

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is not as as needed as desired.

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Perhaps, Yeah, what happened. There's a little history Hereah, this

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organ transplant boom in China started after a ninety ninety

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nine In nineteen ninety nine, they they start to persecute

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a religious movement, Fallong Bong, and of course they thought

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we cannot just eradicate this group of people because the

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world is watching, so they started to shovel them like slowly,

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one by one to the transplant centers. And that's why

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Falungbong was actually the main victim to build up this

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whole transplant system. And then they found that there are

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also people from the Middle East who prefer alal organs.

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And then that's probably the time around twenty seventeen eighty

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when they expanded this whole infrastructure into Shinjiang and the

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Wiga population right exactly.

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And speaking of Fallen Gung, you know, of course they've

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had theatrical performances here in America. The Chinese government has

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opposed it, and there they're doing these these theatrical performances

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to try to awaken the West of what's happening in

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China with you know, with their people, right, because that

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still continues to this day as you and I are talking.

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Yeah, that's true. And so what the Shallongong practitioners are doing.

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They have a performing arts group that is called chen

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Yun and they perform not only in the US but

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around the world, and they bring some of these issues

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to the attention of the people. So of course the

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CCP is not happy about it and tries to sabotage shows,

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et cetera. But it is since this topic is still continuing,

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we have to our group, for example, we have to

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continue and we we published released a new documentary on

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this topic to bring this topic to the awareness of

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the people.

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Exactly, we've got to go a quick break. We got

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more from doctor Trey after they stay with us.

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physician and founding executive director of Doctors Against Forced Organ

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Harvesting and International Medical Ethics Group. Doctor Trey, You've spent

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twenty years investigating China's state back practice of killing prisoners

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of conscience for their organs, and you decided you needed

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to have a documentary and you titled it Silent Harvest.

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I think that's quite interesting that that would be the title,

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why Silent Harvest?

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So this is actually there are several aspects here. Of course,

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the harvest is related to the organ harvesting, to the

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procurement of the organs. But what happens is China has

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played its influence on Western media to prevent them from

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reporting about it. So China follows the policy of putting

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silence on this topic. But that's one aspect for why

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we called it silent. But there's another aspect that most

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of these victims, they are basically being killed and die

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in silence alone in one of these operating rooms, and

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nobody knows about it. So we want to also that's

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a subtitle to speak up. We want to break this silence,

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we want to make this away. And a major component

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of this is to make the medical community in our

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free country to speak about it. And our observation is

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that they actually don't speak about it.

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Right well, and like you said, organ harvesting, how it

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actually looks like is they have captured, you know, these

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prisoners of conscience, and you said, they've totally qualified them.

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You know, they blood typed them, tissue matched in custy.

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Then they kill on demand when a matching patient appears.

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So what kind of dollars are we talking about?

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Yeah, this is first of all, I actually say, this

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is completely unprecedented in the entire world. So for example,

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when COVID was there, there were in the Chinese media

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they reported that somebody got an emergency lund transplanted within

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twenty four hours, within one day, and there were more cases,

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and then a Canadian patient traveled to and he got

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a kidney within three days. On the Korean documentary, they

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filmed a nerves from the Chinese transplant center and she said,

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if you paid fifteen thousand dollars extra, you can get

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a kidney within two days. So it is there are

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different people who receive these organs. Some are from China

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regular patients, then of course from Europe America and then

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from the Middle East, and they pay the highest price.

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So for example, for a kidney, you pay one hundred

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fifty thousand dollars, for a liver, three hundred thousand dollars

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for a hard same three hundred four hundred thousand dollars.

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The price varies by the country from which they come.

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So China, the Chinese industry is very business driven. And

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from there we know from a patient from Germany. She

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went to China to get a liver transplant, and after

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it was rejected, she went again, and every time she

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paid four hundred thousand euros for liver.

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Well, and that's interesting that they even quantify it from

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the country. So if I heard you correctly, are they

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saying American's body parts are in more demand than other countries.

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Not American.

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Organs, the organs from China. So the the when the

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Korean team film team went with a hidden camera to

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one of the hospitals and filmed the whole conversation pretending

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that an uncle needs a kidney. The nurse said that

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the highest the group that pays the highest price are

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coming from the Middle East, okay, right, and then from

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the years of Europe that is a little lower price,

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so it varies.

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Oh I see. Okay, so you're talking about the patient

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coming in, not necessarily the person whose body parts are

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being extracted, because primarily you cut you know, as we

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talked about the victims themselves, fallen gong practitioners, wiggers and

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other prisoners of conscience right that have been captured and

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they have been you know, blood typed and tissue matched.

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Right, Yeah, and that enables them. It's like what to

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understand that. It's like farming organ donos. That's what it is.

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The detention camps become organ douna farms. So if you

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if you, if you need an organ, they can within

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minutes they can actually identify the patient and identify the

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prisoner who would have the right organ for the patient.

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How much money are we talking about here.

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Well, it's a billion dollar industry, but it's actually not

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about so much about the money. It's a very intricate system.

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So the CCP has set it up that the doctors

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get a you know, high high premium price for doing

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the transplant, and that makes them being motivated to do

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another transplant. Think of this, uh, one truck with one

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truck transplant, they probably earn as much money as they

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would otherwise earn throughout one year, so that the money

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is like the cart if you want the car, the

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stick for the for the donkey. The money is for

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the doctors to continue this. But the incentive for the

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government is actually different. It's not a monetary profit, it's

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a political profit. They actually they delegate the executions of

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the undesired people. They they delegated to the doctors in

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the operating room. So the the incentive for the government

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it is different than the incentive of the doctors.

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This is an interesting medical I call it evolution of

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of the Holocaust. You know, the CCP probably looks at

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what Germany did and said, how much money did you waste?

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You could have leveraged all those bodies, all those Jewish

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body parts, and probably been able to sustain the war effort.

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Yeah, So in this case in China, I assume they

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really looked into what happened during the Holocaust. But in

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China it's a little probably a little bit different. They

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had previously passed the bill in nineteen eighty four that

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allowed them to harvest organs from executed by convicted and

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executed prisoners, but when in nineteen ninety nine they wanted

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to get rid of the fellow Goong practitioners unjustly because

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they didn't do anything wrong. They just had a spiritual

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belief they followed Toothoness Qassion for Barn's tolerance. So when

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they wanted to get rid of this, they initially they

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just tortured them, and in many cases they actually tortured

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them to death. And the president at that time, James Man,

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he even said, if a fellow Gong practitioner is tortured

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to death, you write in the book he committed suicide.

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So it was they really disregarded, disrespected that the whole

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person of a fellow and Gong practitioners. But then they

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probably thought that instead of torturing them to death, we

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actually can use them for organ transplantation and then we

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make out the money of it. And that's how they

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probably evolved over. You know, a couple of months to this.

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Practice, doctor Tray, how did you capture survivor testimony? I

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mean this seems like it's uh, I mean, how do

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you survive you know, this kind of activity on your body?

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Yeah. So again, this topic was made public around two

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thousand and six, so before two thousand and six, I

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assume the Chinese government was not so worried that this

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whole scheme could become public. And there's one person who

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in two thousand and four underwent surgery unwanted and he

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was then released and he has a scar and some

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parts of the lung and liver are missing. But that's

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to mine. I's the only one who escaped from this

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organ harvesting, but that was before two thousand and six.

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After two thousand and six, I believe nobody who was

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subject to ugan harvestings survived. What they do is they

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take the organs and then they treat the kadava like

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the biohazard and incinerated in the basement of the hospital

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so there are no traces. They absolutely don't want to

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have anyone to survive and possibly, you know, come to

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the West and give testimony what happened.

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Well, Doc Tray was wrappings up. I want you to

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summarize and tell the audience what they should take away

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from this documentary.

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The documentary is a summary of what we worked on

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for twenty years. It is a very concise format. It

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is about eighty minutes long. It is worth the time

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to understand this whole topic and what we have seen

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from first showings from the premiere is that people were

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very much moved by this and they immediately asked afterwards,

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you know what can I do? What can they do?

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So at the moment, for US citizens, there is a

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bill in the Senate forty nine for zero nine. Call

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your senator and ask your senator to co sponsor this bill.

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This bill will help to save lives. And then what

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else it could be done is as medical Associations Transplant

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Association to produce a transparent, publicly accessible report on transplantation

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in China because they want to hide it. But that's

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that will rather damage not only it will not only

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be harmful to the victims, but it will erode our silence,

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will eroad our system. Here we have to we have

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to understand silence is the biggest accomplice in a crime

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against humanity. And what we have to do is we

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have to stop this self censorship, which is silent. Silence

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is said censorship. We have to stop it and we

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have to speak up to stop it.

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Exactly where can they go to see the movie the documentary.

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It's on the it's on the website, there's no paywall,

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it's accessible for everyone. It's Silent harvestmovie dot com against

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Silent Harvest movie dot Com.

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Well, doctor Torson Tray, thank you so much for being

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with us. Thank you for all the great work. I mean,

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two decades of research and investigation to bring this forth.

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And this is all that you're showing. This is real.

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I mean we're not making stories up here. This is

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what's happening in China right.

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Yes, yes, it's you have to put some effort into

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it to understand that. You have to. You know, if

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you get pieces of a puzzle, but if you put

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them all together and the puzzle that image comes together,

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then you understand this is real. This is this is solid,

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this is continuing and it has to stuff.

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Doctor Torrison Tray has been our guest, Doctor Trey, thank

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you for being with us. Take care, Thank you.

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Hey, glad you can join us. Bill Martinez here with

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doctor John Zamarik. Hey, John, how are we doing.

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I'm doing that, Bill, how are you?

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Hey?

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I'm doing terrific.

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If it's okay with you, I want to talk about

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your former boss. She had a memorial for him yesterday,

490
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and what an incredible legacy. I mean, I was reading

491
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more and more about his background.

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First of all, James Robinson, the televangelist who founded the

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Stream and who founded the ministry Life Outreach International, you.

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Know, And I'm trying to look back John to think,

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you know, at NRB or possibly where our crossroads may

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have met. I'm sure I met him, but I got

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to tell you. My takeaway was that I wish I'd

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have known him better.

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Yeah. Did you ever hear him preach? No?

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I did not.

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You owe it to yourself. Go on Wife today and

502
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find some of his sermons. He was a really fascinating guy.

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He passed away last week at age eighty three. He

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was born he was the child of of a rape

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and his mother tried to abort him and the doctor

506
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wouldn't do it, and he was adopted for a while

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by a nice family, but then his birth parents married

508
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and he was dragged back to an alcoholic hom He

509
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had a really difficult upbringing of the kind that not

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many of us outside of like really poor communities get

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to nowadays. And he was seeking a father, and he

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found that father.

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In the Father Jesus reveals in the Gospel.

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And he had a deep born again experience and he

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began preaching to his fellow teenagers at the high school.

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Within a few years, he was filling stadiums with people,

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you know, getting saved and having born again experiences.

518
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He was called the young Billy Grant.

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And in fact he was sort of adopted.

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By Billy Graham.

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Billy Graham took him on as a mentor, and all

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through the sixties, seventies, early eighties he was filling stadiums.

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With tent revivals, really changing lives.

524
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And then Billy Graham suggested he turned to television, and

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he started doing a television industry that eventually became the

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show Life Today, which is still broadcast, though now sadly

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it'll be without him. And he also founded a global

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outreach called Life Outreach International, which drills wells in parts

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of Africa where the Muslims won't let the Christians have water.

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It buys shoes for barefoot kids, it rescues women from

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sex trafficking. It's all around the world. It's made an

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enormous impact. I wrote a piece commemorating James at Chronicles magazine,

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the best conservative magazine in America, and it's up there,

534
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and it talks somewhat about our personal friendship. He brought

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me on at the Stream, which for eleven years was

536
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a conservative Christian news opinion website. It's now a TV portal.

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It's like the Netflix for Christians. So look upstream dot

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all the best Christian program But I did this basic

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Chronicles about James Robinson's political involvement because as a Christian

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and as a citizen, he really wanted to help preserve

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the freedom that he saw comes from the Gospel, came

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from our fundamentally deeply Christian founders. That makes possible both

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material flourishing and a powerful economy, but also political liberty.

545
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Religious liberty, the freedom to look out for your family

546
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.680
and your friends and your country without the heavy coercive

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hand of government. Back in nineteen eighty when the country

548
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.400
really seemed to be spinning out of control, with the

549
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Russians in Afghanistan, Komane in Iran are hostages still in

550
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the embassy, gas prices skyrocketing, inflation and unemployment.

551
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They called it stagflation.

552
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And they had a Baptist Sunday school teacher in the

553
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.320
White House, Jimmy Carter, waiting to be born again. But

554
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.639
it sure didn't seem to affect his policies. He was

555
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.719
for legal abortion, he was for gay rights. He was

556
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.159
he put so called human rights first in the international arena,

557
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:29.239
helping Marxist radicals take over in places like Rhodesia, so

558
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.360
it make progress in South Africa. And he's the one

559
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.639
that let the shot topple and be replaced by that

560
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:40.280
murderous regime of theocratic apocalyptic nutcases.

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Right, So, James, I will say this, if I can

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interject for just a moment, Carter really introduced America to

563
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socialistic malaise. Yeah, if I can put it that way,

564
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is that fair?

565
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Yeah? And to squishy liberal Christianity of the kind that

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does a want to make waves, doesn't want to upset

567
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the New York Times or Harvard or Google or Microsoft

568
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that wants to play by the rules of Mammon in

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order to be comfortably tolerated and paded on the head.

570
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This is this is Levin. I mean, it's Levin that

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infects every institution, our way of life, and our own thinking. John,

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I mean, I think back in these periods, you know

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we were you know, we had to get in line

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00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.039
to get gas on odd days and even days. I mean,

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00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.440
all that that shared misery that we experienced. And then

576
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.920
Carter has an opportunity to come in and kind of

577
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pump the country up and basically just says, suck it up, Buttercup, right.

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Yeah, yeah, he just he just looked earnest and anguished,

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and we really felt like a country in decline. So

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James Robinson was meeting with Jerry Folwell and other friends

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on what was the Resurgion Christian Right, which was a

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00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.000
heroic effort to try to steer the.

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Country back onto the right path.

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00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:01.000
Yeah, and he suggested, what about this divorce movie actor

585
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from California named Ronald Reagan. And there was a lot

586
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of suspicion because he was divorced, because he had not

587
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been that socially conservative as governor of California.

588
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And he was a Democrat before.

589
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.920
Yeah, yeah, he's the Democratic Party left him. So James

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00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.440
convinced the National Religious broadcasters to invite Reagan to come

591
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address them, and Reagan made this famous speech where he said,

592
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I know you can't endorse me, but I endorse you,

593
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.199
and proud erupted and that alliance of the religious right

594
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.840
with the Republican Party was forged. That helped deliver a

595
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landslide victory for Reagan twice. And then the religious right

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00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.880
kind of kind of drifted, I mean, they kind of

597
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.679
became establishment. They started doing whatever the Republican Party said

598
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in return for crumbs. I'll never forget. In nineteen ninety six,

599
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the religious right lined up behind Bob Dole, who is

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not even pro life life, not particularly conservative. He was

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00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.679
the establishment candidate in order to stop the dangerous threat

602
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.079
of Pap Buchanan, who actually represented the religious rights of values.

603
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So and then with George W. Bush, who again claimed

604
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to be an evangelical, But as soon as nine to

605
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eleven happened, he announced Islam is a religion of peace

606
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and started importing more Muslims, more millions more Muslims into

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the country as a way of proving that we were

608
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not Islamophobic and getting us in forever wars. This is

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kind of what began to discredit the moral authority of

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00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.039
the religious right, and James Robison saw it. And while

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most of the religious right in nineteen in twenty sixteen

612
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was lining up behind Ted Cruz or Jed Bush, Robinson

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00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.320
met with Trump and unloaded all the concerns that evangelicals

614
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had about Trump, and Trump, to his credit, started shifting

615
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.079
his sales, announced he was pro life, promised to appoint

616
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pro life justice to the Supreme Court, and delivered. So James

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had a really benevolent political influence both in the election

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00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.719
of Ronald Reagan and an election of Donald Trump. But

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most of all, his heart was for the Gospel, was

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for bringing people to Jesus and preserving a country where

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we would be free to practice Christianity without the government

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imposing it on us or the government weaponizing itself to

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persecute us. And we see the Trump administration just came

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out with a report on anti Christian bias and the

625
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government under the Biden administration, and it was staggering. The

626
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.000
Biden administration was acting towards the church the way the

627
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Soviet Union did in the nineteen seventies and eighties. Not

628
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.679
outright violent persecution, but constant harassment, looking for legal loopholes,

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looking for weapons, looking for ways to harass and weird

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down believers stripped of their rights over their children, make

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Christian's second class citizens in our own country, and resisting

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that was important to James, and it's important to me

633
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and to you and to everyone. And while we have

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to be critical of Trump when he makes mistakes like

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authorizing the abortion pill, we have to we can be

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skeptical of his military interventions and use just war criteria

637
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to argue about them. We have to recognize that the

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left is unified in wanting to drive Christianity out of

639
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the public square in America, and Trump has been fighting

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back to a significant degree, and we have to demand

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more action, and we have to line up behind him

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when he's doing the right thing.

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Got to go to quick break mark from doctor John

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on the other side, stay with us.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with doctor John Sameric. John,

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I guess to kind of put a ribbon around if

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we can, on James Robinson's legacy. To me, what clearly

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comes out was his passion and understanding that was revelatory,

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that he clearly understood that the gospel and politics was connected,

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or when it's connected. When it's connected, it's a good thing.

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When it's disconnected, welcome to the world of chaos and

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shared misery.

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That's right. And you know, our mutual friend Eric mctaxas

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has a wonderful new book about this called Revolution, and

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it is a six hundred page history of the American Revolution,

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lots of fun zany anecdotes and offbeat facts he wouldn't expect,

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and I did an interview with Eric about it over

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at the Blaze. Actually, if somebody wants to read that,

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it's a fun interview, lighthearted interview. But at the heart

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of Eric's book is that what caused the separation between

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eat Britain and the colonies, more than anything else was

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the Second Great Awakening, George Whitfield and the Methodist movement.

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It existed in Britain, but it did not affect their

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elites at that point. The elites in Britain at the

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time of the American Revolution were basically secular humanists. They

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were obsessed with the Enlightenment. They regarded Christianity as a

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comforting fable for little old ladies, and they had led

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very decadent, corrupt lifestyles. Prostitution was rampant. Every British minister

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had a mistress. The British commander in Chief, General Howe,

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had an open mistress. They regarded the religiosity the fierce

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gospel belief of the American colonists. They regarded them as

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like Bible thumping primitives, as stupid fanatics, and they didn't

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think that such people could possibly defeat the greatest army

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on Earth and the best, certainly the best navy on Earth.

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The American founders, they weren't really revolutionaries. They were insisting

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on the local freedoms, the self government that their colonies

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had enjoyed for hundreds of years. The British, the secular

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liberal elites in Britain, wanted a new regime. They wanted

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centralized control of the colonies. They wanted to be able

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to tax them at will, They wanted to be able

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to start to micromanage their lives, maybe send over Anglican

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bishops who would impose liberal Anglicanism instead of the low church,

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fervent Protestantism that was common in the colonies. So what

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Eric does in his new book Revolution, which I think

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is going to be a bestseller, is he focuses on

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the religious routes of the separation between Great Britain and America.

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Now that Great Awakening would would eventually revive in Great

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Britain and you would see you would see great figures

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like who was the great abolitionist some reason?

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Oh, yes, I know what you're talking about, and he

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died young, right Wilberforce.

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Wilberforce, Yeah, William Wilberforce.

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I'm sorry, No, it's okay, it's all right.

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William Wilberforce started something called the Reformation of Manners. He

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fought it first against the slave trade and then for

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the abolition of slavery itself in the British Empire, which

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happened in eighteen thirty. And he also fought for getting

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rid of prostitution, sexual exploitations, sex trafficking, the cruelty towards animals.

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People don't realize that they would bring in dogs too

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to tear apart of bear. It was called bear baiting,

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and that was one of the most popular sports in

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Britain at the time. The Methodists, led by George William Wilberforce,

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brought the Christian Gospel to the public square and convinced

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people to not take pleasure in cruelty towards animals, not

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be cruel in practicing slavery, not take it for granted

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that a third of the women in London were prostitutes.

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These things could and should be changed, and the Gospel

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should enter the public square and transform it, not become,

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not turn into what the left called the social Gospel,

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where the whole point of Christianity is just to make

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life nicer. No unless you make Christ the center, you

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won't even make life nicer. You'll make life corrupt. You see,

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corrupt charities like Catholic charities, they just live off government money.

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They traffic illegal immigrants into the country in cooperation with cartels,

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and they cast government checks. Christ doesn't enter into it.

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That's what happens when your focus goes from God and

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the person of Jesus Christ to Mammon to the earthly kingdom.

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So it's a it's a it's a dynamic. You won't

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achieve social reform unless you're aiming at something higher. It's

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like you have to shoot for the moon and maybe

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you'll hit a star. The church can only transform society

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when it's really the church which is focused on the

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worship of Christ and the imitation of Christ. And then

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the secondary side effects of getting rid of racism and

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intolerance and selfishness and greed and corruption. Those are side

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effects of trying to do something much.

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Bigger and much more important.

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And if America ceases to do that, it will become

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what Barack Obama said, he wanted it to be just

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another country like Belgium.

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Well, you know, in Jeremiah John is quite clear and

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he says quote, are you seeking great things for yourself?

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Don't do it. I will bring great disaster upon all

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these people, but I will give you your life as a

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reward wherever you go. I the Lord have spoken. I mean,

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that is the standard, that is the governing agency. And

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it's quite clear. And James saw that. You see it.

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I see it, Eric, those of us who have been

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passionately trying to awaken the people because it is a

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waste of humanity, a waste of life. And look what's happening.

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I mean, you know, I was just interviewing some Eric

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Shiner from MRC and he was quoting one of the

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hosts of the view that said that the trans issues

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is a kitchen table issue.

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It's like, I mean, it's just it should be. But

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in the opposite sense, do you favor the mute, surgical

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mutilation and chemical castration of children who legally can't get

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a tattoo, but they can get a sex change because

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some school psychologists convinced the girl a tomboys girl, that

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she's really a boy, or a bookish boy that he's

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really a girl. Right, I mean, this is a monstrous

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industry of the sexual exploitation and mutilation of children and

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our new Democrat nominee for Senate in Texas, James Tallerico,

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who claims to be a Christian seminarian, said he loves

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trans children. That's one of the things he loves. The

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most twisted is that that this is the mainstream Democratic party,

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that it's focused on these hideous perversions and medical malpractice.

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They've turned it, trying to turn it into a sacred right.

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This is not just bad politics. This is demonic influence.

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Well it really is. I got to tell you and

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to hear him talk of God in an unholy manner.

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I pray for James, I pray for his soul. I mean,

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he has no idea and you think here's somebody, a

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seminarian who should know better. But see, this is what happens.

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I mean is go back to the garden to meeting John.

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You and I keep talking about this. You know, did

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God really say you start doubting God? Then you come

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up with some goofy ideas and tell Rico is loaded

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with goofy ideas.

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God is nine non binary. There are six biological sexes,

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six biological sexes. I'd like to see the evidence for

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that one. He's not even talking about psychological gender. He said,

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there are six biological sexes. This man is a Senate candidate,

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and you know who helped create him, the Texas Republican Party,

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which is full of rhinos. They gave him all these

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committee chairmanships in the Texas legislature. They built up James.

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They validated his insanity along the way.

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And why, I'll tell you. Let me tell you why

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they did it. They wanted to create a radical left

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wing candidate to scare people into giving the nomination to

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John Cornyn, this useless hack who has been like a

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dog in the manger, sitting in the Senate doing nothing

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except to attempt gun control and amnesty. The Senate Republicans

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are so comfortable with being useless, with being controlled opposition

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to the Democrats, and they really angry at the voters

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when the voters defy them, as they did in Texas.

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You have center Republicans saying, well, we just won't fund

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Ken Paxton. Well, was let the Democrat win? They're giving

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away the game. They would rather run. They would rather

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the Republican Party lose and we suffer the consequences as

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long as they can clean to control of this car.

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That's falling apart, rip out the engine. But it's my car.

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And if you put a new engine in and make

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it run as Trump has done, We're going to crash it.

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We're going to drive it like Thel and Luiz into

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the Grand Canyon because damn it, it's ours.

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Yeah exactly, But look what Paxton did. I paston. But

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also the Texas, what Texas did. Don't mess with us.

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We know better in spite of all the lies and

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rewritten history and all the manure you want to throw

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on us. Now we know who you are. I mean,

877
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talk about blowing nonsense out of the water.

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John Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The tantrum that Center Republicans threw a Texas voters, how

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dare you We told you how to vote, We spend

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one hundred million dollars of Republican money telling you how

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to vote in the primary, and you defied us. Who

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do you people think you are? Well, we think we're

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the people, and we think we're supposed to be in

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charge in this country. That's kind of the point of

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it in the first place, isn't it.

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Well it was. It was interesting because they tried to

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ignite a little bit of a junta and Trump kind

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of quieted that down pretty quickly, didn't he.

891
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Well, that was a brilliant piece of strategic advice from

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this woman, Carolyn Wren, who's a heroic Texas patriot. She

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went on Steve Bannon and suggested the idea because the

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Rhinos were trying to get Trump to endorse Corner and

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it looked like he might do it, and that might

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have hurt us. We might have lost. That would have

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been one of many bad endorsements Trump has made. He

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makes some varial advised endorsements. Carolyn Wren suggested this and

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Ken Paxson grabbed it. If the Senate will pass the

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Save Act and stop foreigners from voting in our election

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and stop computers from voting on foreigner's behalf in our elections,

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then Passion would drop out.

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Of the race.

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All the Senate Republicans had to do was passive bill

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that has an eighty twenty approval rating from the general public, bipartisan,

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and they wouldn't do it. So as a result, Trump

907
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had a reason to punish them, so he endorsed Paxton.

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Pason would have won anyway, but he won by such

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a margin almost two to one, sixty three percent of

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the vote against a three term Senate incumbent who had

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one hundred million dollars spent on his behalf. Could we

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speak any more plainly about what we think about the

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Republican establishment.

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Well, there it is, doctor Johns, andmeric john has always

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appreciate the time. Thank you for being with us, Take

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez live, hey right.

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Now, six minutes after the tough they are Bill Martinez here, and.

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He's back, Yes he is.

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Dennis Neil's back with is He is the best selling

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author and acclaimed journalist in author The Court Coming or

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at Connors.

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Uh.

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We've got more people that are going and gone than

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coming and staying. And maybe that's a good thing, Dennis, Yeah,

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maybe it is. People vote with their wallets and they

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vote with their feet. And Bill, I got to tell you,

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since we first talked.

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About my forthcoming book, ore Agnors, how One stay chased

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away businesses and people? Since we first talked about it

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actually came out on Amazon a few weeks ago. It

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already has hit number one in three different categories, including

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social policy, and it's rising with a bullet on a

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few other charts.

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So I'm really proud of it.

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And Amazon self published that thing and got it out

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two weeks after the manuscript, you know, was loaded into

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the system. A big publisher would have taken nine months.

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So yeah, it's fast, and it's ripped from the headlines

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of today. So a lot going on there, without a doubt. Well,

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Mom Donnie is upset. He called and said, Hey, look

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at how come Denniston right about me? Yeah, Well, Mom

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Donnie is borrowing a page from the Socialists, the four

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socialists elected to the twelve members city Council who dominate

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that agenda in Portland, Oregon. And Mom Donnie, of course

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is with backed by the same group, the Democratic Socialists

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of America. You know, he's on the front page of

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the New York Post yes morning, as a matter of fact,

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because of his new twenty two billion dollar five year

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housing plan in which he offers new opportunities to seize

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the property of landlords that don't keep their properties up to,

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you know, a certain level and turn it over to

971
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tenants maybe or turn it over to community organizer groups.

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This guy is a communist commie, Mom Donnie. He is

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a disaster. And he's also got this whole reparations thing

974
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that he's looking.

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At it and the deal ist And as you know

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as well as I do, that part of the problem

977
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New York is dealing with, especially when it comes to landlords,

978
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is regulation that has been brought to you by the city.

979
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So he's going to have to rectify that, and so

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that's going to be expensive. And so now he's the landlord,

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So what are you going to do.

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Here's how bad the regulation is in New York. It

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can take two to three years before a landlord can

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throw you out for failing to pay rent. Okay, and

985
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then you don't even have to pay the back pay.

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You just move on. My landlord.

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When I lived in Brooklyn for forty years, the last

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ten years of it, was a guy, Greek American immigrant

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in his eighties. Now he's owned one thousand apartments in

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Brooklyn that he started buying in the sixties. And he

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told me no one could do what he did today

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because of all of the regulation. Bom Donnie wants to

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build two hundred thousand new housing units, but at the

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same time he's capping rents. He's telling property owners you

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don't have a right to earn whatever you can earn.

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Out of it.

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You have to only earn this much, and you can

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only raise rents this much. It's just ridiculous. There's a

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million rent controlled or rent regulated apartments in the city

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and that's the key reason why they don't build more. Instead,

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they're blaming Airbnb for people renting out their apartments, when

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if you own an apartment, you should be able to

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do with it whatever you want.

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Its property rights.

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I mean, one of the original lines was a pursuit

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of happiness, life liberty, and life happiness. Originally I learned

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a history class long and it was life, liberty and

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the pursuit of property. Yes, and they changed property to happiness.

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But to them property was happiness and property is how

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you build something.

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Right, Mom, Donnie says, the pursuit of misery.

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Now, yeah, the entire Democrat Party is about celebrating misery,

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seeking misery, shopping for umbradge, being upset about everything. They

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haven't campaigned in several years on what they want to do.

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It's just on what they don't want Trump to do.

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Yeah.

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The thing that's amazing, And you know, I keep hoping

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the women are going to see what's going on because

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this kind of doctrine has made the women on the

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left less attractive.

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The biggest threat to democracy is not the maga Americans

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that Biden was claiming or the FBI was saying, It

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is white liberal women.

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They have gone crazy.

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And I realized recently because of a post I read

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from somewhere else. You know, journalists don't know anything. We

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know what we learn from other people and other sources. Okay,

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and a post turned out. You know whom did white

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women succeed in making themselves a special, down trodden, privileged

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class in need of an extra leg up because they've

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been so held down? I mean, white women haven't made

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They aren't oppressed the way people of color can claim

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or can cite. And yet that's why white women are

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out there. These democrats can painting for the rights of blacks,

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the rights of LGBTQ because they're privileged classes. And white

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women want to make themselves a privileged class when white

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women haven't been depressed in a few decades.

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Give me a brand.

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See, you can blame it on the View and the

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women of Newport Beach, California.

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Yes, and other other liberal enclaves.

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There's this thing about liberals where it's all about virtue signaling,

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isn't it, Bill.

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It's it's all.

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About what the appearance is, the high moral intent, and

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they never kind of look around at the outcomes and

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the bad things that happen as a result of it.

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In Oregon right now, voters.

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Have put I think they needed man.

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They've got over one hundred thousand centers to for a

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new ballot proposal in November that basically outlaws fishing, hunting, ranching.

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It would reclassify as sexual assault on an animal, of

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castration of bulls on a ranch. Artificial insemination of cows

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would suddenly become this crime. Cows would be guaranteed exercise space,

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it would grant lights.

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When are we in India All of a sudden.

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It's IP twenty eight and it's backed by Pete but

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also a thirty five thousand dollars contribution from a guy

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in Russia named Lean and Something is one of the

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biggest donations behind this.

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And they'll do this every year and wear down the.

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Public conscience until eventually someday it slips past with very

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low voter turnout.

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And it's just craziness.

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And what's happened in Oregon Because it's a Canarian the

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coal mine for blue states everywhere, it's so small that

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things show up in sharper relief.

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And what's happened. They haven't elected a Republican governor.

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Since nineteen eighty two, and the people in Oregon have

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been inside a circle of insanity for so long that

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they no longer are able to recognize sane sanity.

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This would prove it.

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In the seventies, they put regular people into eleven insane

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01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.119
asylums as patients to see if the shrinks and the

1075
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staff could detect it. They don't belong here. No, they

1076
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:09.719
failed utterly. They couldn't recognize sanity. And that's what's happened

1077
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.079
in Oregon and other super blue cities and states.

1078
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.639
Well, that's what happens with socialists. You know, we've been

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saying this on the show repeatedly, that they're so siloed

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that they've rendered themselves ignorant and stupid. You know, they just,

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you know, because everything is within the silo. That's that's

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the whole bag. I mean, ignore you know, ninety five

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percent of reality outside of your silo, and you're just

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sitting there.

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You know, and you just keep re electing the same

1086
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old people again and again, so nothing will change. I mean,

1087
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there's a super majority in Oregon that's dominated for ten years,

1088
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.440
Democrat majority for twenty years, and the Republicans end up,

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you know, they're happy to be number two. They're happy

1090
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:57.719
to be feeding at the same troth they are like,

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01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.159
as I've said, the Washington generals that get paid to

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lose against the Harlem globetrotters, and they're all too comfortable

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with that. And in some ways I feel like the

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Washington based Republican Party is the same way, happy, happy

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to lose. And those who go against Trump, whoa, yeah,

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whoa the wrath that they suffer. I mean, Trump is

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did I see seventeen for seventeen or is it one

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hundred and seventeen for one hundred and seventeen or something?

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Races that he sided with one guy against another and

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he won every single one.

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He's spending in one thousand, he's bet in one thousand percent.

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Look what happens so dramatically in Texas. Speaking of which, anyway,

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let's go to a quick break. We'll talk about it.

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Right Amazon, Yes, and also at orgonnorsbook dot com there

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you go to otherwise it's all.

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Amazon, baby.

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01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.680
But before we start and jump into the next topic,

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I've moved down to South Florida, So FLA in January

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01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:44.039
after forty three years in Brooklyn. I have not yet

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01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:49.920
found a new style of dress, a new wardrobe, and

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01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:52.880
I've been thinking about print shirts and Hawaiian shirts.

1206
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:55.520
Well, here I am the one you're wearing.

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01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.279
Right there, because you know why, I watched What's Upon

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01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:02.600
a Time in Hollywood, terribly gory, way too violent to

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01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:07.039
quit Tarantino film with Leo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, and

1210
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:11.039
Brad Pitt wears this yellow Hawaiian shirt over a white

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01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.640
tea through the entire movie, or much of it, and

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01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:14.720
it's very cool and.

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01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:15.640
That got me thinking about it.

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01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.119
So please tell me give me advice on where I

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01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:19.840
should go for a shirt like what you're wearing, because

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01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:20.479
that's pretty good.

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01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:23.399
Yeah. Well, I went to Hawaii and we're getting ready

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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:25.960
to get back and going to Maui. Our daughter and

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01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.039
grandkids are there and you know that part of the family.

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01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.159
So we're going to be escaping next month, you know,

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01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.520
for a couple of weeks, so looking forward to it.

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01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:36.159
So anyway, so we'll see.

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01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:38.279
All right, so you got you got that there?

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01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:40.640
Okay, you had a chance to plug a brand here

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01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:42.600
and sell them an ad, but I won't pass that

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01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:43.119
by all right.

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01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:44.279
Where were we?

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01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:49.319
Yes, well we were talking about here. You distracted me

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01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:53.479
and uh we you brought up something. I said, let's

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01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.640
talk about it on the other side, and here we

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01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:58.800
are on the other side and we're lost into shirts.

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01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:00.720
So there we go.

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01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:02.680
Well I'm going to buy a shirt like that. I'm

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01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:04.760
gonna have to screen capture that and search.

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01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:06.800
It on Google. Okay, So well, I think we were

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01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:08.880
talking in part about Oregon. Maybe.

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01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.520
By the way, one reason I wanted to get this

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01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.479
book out as soon as possible on Amazon in only

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01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.800
two weeks is because you know, the state.

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01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:18.640
Is in play right now.

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01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.159
And you know Tita Kotek, the Democrat governor elected for

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01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.319
the first time in twenty twenty two, ran against this

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01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:30.479
little redheaded, feisty thing, Christine Dresen. I've seen her three

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01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.479
different times met with her and an interviewed her, had

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01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.479
her on my podcast What's Bugging Me? And now she's

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01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.640
been the got the Republican nominations, this big rematch.

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01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.319
But it looks like co Tech is very vulnerable.

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01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.920
The Oregonian just ran a poll showing that she represented

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01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.840
the Portland area for fifteen years. He has terrible disapproval ratings,

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01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.439
like people are sick of it, and sixty percent say

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01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.199
that they want to move elsewhere in the next five years.

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01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.199
And so she's quite vulnerable, and Oregon could shift to

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01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.880
a Republican governor. That would be a shocking message. More importantly,

1254
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.960
for Democrats across the rest of the country, you guys

1255
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:08.960
better stop your incredibly woke policies. You better stop these

1256
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:14.319
ridiculously liberal approaches and swing back towards the middle where

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01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.399
the Democrats used to be.

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01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.600
Yeah, they can't help themselves, Dennis. I mean, right now,

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01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.319
talking to the Democrats is like trying to talk to

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01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:26.199
the Mullahs in Iran. You know, they're intractable, and you know,

1261
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.560
think about it. I mean, they are so committed to

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01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:32.039
their ideology that there's no way.

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01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:36.119
I mean, outcomes don't no longer matter, No, I mean,

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01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.439
in Oregon they spend close to twenty thousand dollars per student,

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01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.560
but they're fourth grader's rate forty eighth in math and

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01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.439
forty six in reading in the in the nation.

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01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:46.840
What kind of outcome is that?

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01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:50.840
In the Portland metro area, the government, various government agencies

1269
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.079
spend seven hundred and twenty seven million dollars a year

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01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:57.720
in a recent year on the homeless industrial complex, yet

1271
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.199
homeless went up sixty four percent in a two year period.

1272
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.039
What kind of outcome is that?

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01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:03.720
Right?

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01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:06.800
And there are examples across the way, and looking at

1275
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:08.279
in your city.

1276
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.800
Yeah, exactly, Bluestone, look at how much they're paying for

1277
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:12.159
education there and.

1278
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:16.079
Whole thousand dollars per student, and that they and they

1279
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.960
read at like a forty percent of them can read

1280
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.039
at all at at their grade level.

1281
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.079
That's just utter failure.

1282
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.479
And and don't you love what they say, we need

1283
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.319
more money, We do a better job if you gave

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01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:30.840
us more.

1285
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.239
Money, right exactly.

1286
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.159
And you know, there is no correlation at all between

1287
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.319
spending more and getting better results. Florida spends far less,

1288
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.760
it gets vastly better results. I had one political leader

1289
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.319
in Oregon telling you know what we're Mississippi now, and

1290
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.199
Mississippi is at the top of the charts in education.

1291
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:52.960
I mean, and you know, Red states and the success

1292
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:57.960
of their policies, it's being proven statistically. Steven Wore, the

1293
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:01.239
economist and former Wall feet teral guy, I've known them

1294
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:03.479
for years. Although it's not like where this came out

1295
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:05.520
with a study showing that in the past, in a

1296
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:09.319
recent ten year period up to maybe twenty twenty three,

1297
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:15.520
perhaps Red states gained cubulative income of two point two

1298
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:19.960
trillion dollars and Blue states lost more than one point

1299
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:24.840
nine trillion dollars and culative income right because of their policies,

1300
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.520
because of people moving to Florida. That's why the book

1301
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.640
is called Oregoners, because people are defecting and leaving there

1302
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.840
and companies are leaving there as a result of the

1303
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.479
policies that liberal voters that keep re electing.

1304
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.560
Yeah, but the thing is is the Red States, well,

1305
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.279
the federal government itself has to understand. Look at this

1306
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.760
is the bed that Blue states have made for themselves.

1307
01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:50.159
You've got to let them sleep in it. You can't

1308
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:54.960
allow them to come in and lobby for money that

1309
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:59.239
Red states have generated, you know, because they keep coming

1310
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.840
to the federal governm looking for handouts to support their

1311
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:03.800
failed systems.

1312
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:05.560
Well, yeah, exactly.

1313
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:09.319
I mean, mom, Donnie claims he started with a twelve

1314
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:12.399
billion dollar deficit, it went down to a five billion

1315
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.439
dollars shortfall for his first year as mayor, and.

1316
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:16.960
He's now balanced that budget.

1317
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:19.560
But all he did was rely on state help and

1318
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.720
accounting tricks and restating things and carrying them out over

1319
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.199
longer periods of time. You know, he didn't do what

1320
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:29.800
government needs to do everywhere, cut spending. This is not

1321
01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:34.000
a tax collection problem. This is a spending problem. And Bill,

1322
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:37.399
when we look at the stunning headlines and revelations of

1323
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:41.640
waste in government. You know, already the Social Security Centers

1324
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.279
for Medicare Medicaid said that there's half a trillion dollars

1325
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.279
in fraud in their programs. But now we're learning about

1326
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:52.159
all this stuff in Minneapolis and California, and my gosh,

1327
01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.479
and Stephen Miller originally said that if you eliminated all

1328
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:57.119
the waste fraud abuse, you would have no deficit at all.

1329
01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:59.359
The defense close to two trillion dollars, and I think

1330
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:00.840
he's not are off.

1331
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.760
Well, I think that's that would be a healthy start.

1332
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.640
But the other problem is more of a systemic issue.

1333
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:15.319
The government has been hijacked by political forces that have

1334
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:20.880
contributed to the inefficiency and have added to the indebtedness.

1335
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.359
Where we are, you know, I spoke with several you know,

1336
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:26.119
top economists. I was eager to talk to Steve Mark.

1337
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.279
Couldn't get through to him on it because my question

1338
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:30.319
to him would have been, as it was to others,

1339
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.399
of the thirty nine trillion dollars that we're in debt,

1340
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.920
how much of that is tied to vote getting and

1341
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:41.199
without exception the three major economists I spoke was that bill,

1342
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:47.560
without exception, it's all tied and and most of that

1343
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:52.119
is blue state driven. It's mostly Democrats who have been able.

1344
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:55.399
They've perfected it. They are ten degree black belts in

1345
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.840
utilizing the people's money to buy votes.

1346
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.119
They sure are. And you USAID was a perfect example

1347
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:04.880
of that. And look at how the Democrat party right now.

1348
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:07.479
Did I see a figure that said they had only

1349
01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.760
fourteen million in cash on hand versus one hundred and

1350
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.439
fourteen million for Republicans or something like that. And it's

1351
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:17.000
because once USAID funding stopped, Democrats stopped getting round tripping

1352
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:19.880
money coming in them from the very recipients. And the

1353
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.600
other factor though, also is unions and not all unions,

1354
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:27.159
not the blue collar we build stuff with our hands unions,

1355
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:31.239
you know, pipe fitters and steam fitters and construction workers.

1356
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:37.760
Government worker unions, now, private sector unions represent less than

1357
01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:42.840
seven percent of workers. Government worker unions ask for me,

1358
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:48.520
SEIU teachers unions, they represent forty percent of all government

1359
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:55.119
workers in Oregon. The unions controlled government. The SIE the SEIU,

1360
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:58.279
I'm told, last fall brought a two year budget for

1361
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.720
the state government. Boom dropped it on government Cotech's desk

1362
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:03.600
and says, here's your spending plan.

1363
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:04.079
Okay.

1364
01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:06.319
I'm told that when a Democrat is elected to the

1365
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.119
state Senate or House, on the first day in office,

1366
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:13.239
union shows up. It says, welcome to the legislature. Congratulations,

1367
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:16.159
here's your chief of staff, and it's a union official.

1368
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.880
There are no limits on how much money unions can

1369
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:21.359
give to political candidates, so that in twenty twenty two

1370
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:25.479
Governor Tina Kotech, who was elected, she received six million

1371
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.079
dollars from unions and when I checked, that was as

1372
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.239
much or more than any.

1373
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:31.720
Other entity trying to give.

1374
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.720
Okay, and it was teachers unions, and it was SEIU,

1375
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:37.680
there's no cap on that. And in twenty twenty seven

1376
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.159
they will oppose the first ever caps and they're at

1377
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.399
like three thirteen thousand dollars versus three thousand dollars in

1378
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:48.520
the nationwide for Congress. So unions have this incredible control

1379
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:52.039
and a grip on government, and that government worker union

1380
01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:52.960
thing needs to stop.

1381
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.399
Yeah, how is that not a problem in a democratic republic?

1382
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.840
Just asking the question. Dennis Neil, the best selling author

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Claim Journalists, author of Aura Ganers. Check it out, get

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your hands on it right away. Dennis has always appreciate

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the time. Take care of my friend.

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Thanks Bill.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

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This is Bill Martinez. We're coming at you Live. For

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more information on the show, Bill Martinez Live dot com.

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01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:25.079
Lindsey George. The doctor is the director of Clinical in

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01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.680
vivo gene Therapy and an attending physician in the Division

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01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:33.199
of Hermatology at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Doctor George, Welcome

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01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:34.760
to Schewe good to have you with us.

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01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:36.760
Thank you very much for having me.

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Well, I'm excited to talk about how gene therapy is

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01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:43.880
transforming how we treat disease and the new advances in

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01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.520
gene editing, which is just it's just amazing. I mean,

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I love what is happening in medicine today that is

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making previously untreatable conditions treatable.

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Huh, Well, that's the hope, and I think there are

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01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:01.439
some pointed examples of that.

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Well, exactly as you say, gene therapy and gene editing

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01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:09.319
are rapidly advancing fields that are changing how we understand

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01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:13.800
and treat disease, moving from managing symptoms to addressing root

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causes at the genetic level. That's the way my brain works,

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01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:19.840
you know. By the way, doctor, is that when something

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01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:21.560
happens is I want to know why, you know, I

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01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:23.159
want to get to the root of it. I don't

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01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:27.319
want to deal with the symptoms, right, Yeah, absolutely.

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01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.399
And that's really I mean, you know, in the most

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01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.640
simplistic form, that's the goal of gene therapy, right that

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01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:34.439
we know, you know, if you have a medical condition

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01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:39.960
that the root cause is due to a single gene variant,

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01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:42.960
then the goal would be to give you a functional

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01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.399
copy of that gene or to correct correct underlying mutation exactly.

1485
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:51.039
So, explain to our audience what gene therapy is in

1486
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:56.640
gene editing. I guess in basic terms, huh.

1487
01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:58.680
Sure, So gene therapy is sort of the broad umbrella

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01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.920
for a couple of different terms. So you know, as

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you know gene editing. So the idea of gene editing

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01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:06.800
is you have a single you know, you have a

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01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.399
variant or a mutation in a gene, and gene eddings

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01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:15.039
you correct that mutation. Gene addition is you have a

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01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:19.159
disorder due to a single abnormality and a gene and

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01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:22.760
you give the patient back a functional copy of the gene.

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01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:26.159
And both of those fall into the umbrella of gene therapy.

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01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:32.479
Now, how how do I want to say this? How

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01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:37.520
pervasive is this to where gene therapy and gene editing

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01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:40.000
are coming into play? You know, because we hear about

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01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:44.880
it in specific cases, but maybe we don't realize how

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broad the need is.

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01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:51.920
Yeah, it's a great question. So traditionally, you know, gene therapy,

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01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:53.680
people have been working to developed gene therapy is for

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01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:57.920
now multiple decades. Most of the work targets rare in

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01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:02.439
ultra rare disorders, although there are there is now ongoing

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01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:05.319
work targeting disorders that are far more common. So, for example,

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01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:10.239
there's a a clinical trial developing a gene editing therapy

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01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:13.800
potentially for to treat multiple forms of elevated cholesterol, for example.

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01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:17.439
But most of the work, and I think it's particularly

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01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:20.399
relevant to pediatric patients, is targeting rare and ultra rare

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01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:25.720
genetic conditions that of course each individual one is not

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01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:27.880
very common, but when you put them all together, it's

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01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:30.319
a pretty large group of patients. It's just starting the

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01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.479
pediatric population. I mean, you take a place in a

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01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.479
hospital like the Child's Hospital of Philadelphia, which is a

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01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:41.479
pediatric hospital. The estimates are up to almost half of

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01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.079
the patients in the hospital have an underlying genetic disorder,

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01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:48.520
and so the sickness of pediatric patients far and away

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01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.720
are likely to have underlying genetic disorders.

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01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:53.399
How about older adults.

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01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:59.600
Yeah, it's a great question. So the therapies that are

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01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:03.640
FDA approved are all approved in adults, and most of

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01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:07.439
them are approved to give to children because of course,

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01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:11.000
if you have one of these underlying genetic disorders and

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01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:12.920
you survive to adulthood, we'd also like to be able

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01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.279
to treat those patients, right, And then you know what,

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01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.680
we're increasingly seeing They're not FTY approved, but we're increasingly

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01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:21.800
seeing gene therapies being developed for disorders that aren't s rare,

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01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:25.199
like I mentioned the case of elevated cholesterol. This ongoing

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01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.279
work to develop being based therapies for forms of blindness

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01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:30.560
that are more common, et cetera.

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01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:35.760
Exactly. This is just awesome, you know, and think about

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01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.600
what it's going to look like five ten years from now, doctor.

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01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:44.319
George, Well, you know, I think the way I'm viewing

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01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:46.920
the field is that there's a critical mass that you know,

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01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:49.319
this has been again, you know, people have been working

1536
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:51.880
on this for many decades and have developed a critical

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01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:54.920
mass of being able to understand the technology to develop

1538
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.960
some of these drugs, to be able to manufacture them,

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01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.920
et cetera. And you're really I think now we're starting

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01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.079
to see an inflection point where this work is really

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01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:02.720
taking off.

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01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.920
Exactly. Well, how do these approaches we're talking gene therapy

1543
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:12.119
and gene editing, how do those differ from traditional medical treatments.

1544
01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.560
Yeah. So, you know, if you think about your traditional medicine,

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01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.439
particularly you're taking a medicine for a genetic disorder, the

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01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:21.960
ideas that you have repeated administration of the therapy throughout

1547
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:24.680
the patient's life right where you know, as we were

1548
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:26.640
just talking about, the idea of gene therapy is to

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01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:28.560
go right at the heart of the problem and to

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01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:34.640
provide a genetic treatment for the patient. And so the

1551
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:37.560
goal there is really to go fix the and ling problem.

1552
01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.640
And then of course the most gene therapies are administered

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01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:41.520
just one time.

1554
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:46.199
Right exactly. And speaking of the gene therapies again, how

1555
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:49.159
exactly do they work inside the body?

1556
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.800
Yeah, so, if you're going to deliver the gene therapy

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01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:53.640
directly to the body the most, you know, one of

1558
01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:56.319
the key hurdles has been how do you actually deliver it?

1559
01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:58.159
So you need you know, for lack of a better term,

1560
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:03.159
the truck to deliver your DNA, right, and what's faraway

1561
01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:06.000
what's used currently is the truck so to speak, is

1562
01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:08.920
typically a viral vector, so you take you know, viruses

1563
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:11.319
are very good at getting into cells, but of course

1564
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:13.840
we don't want the gene therapy to be infectious, so

1565
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.680
we take out the bad components of the virus and

1566
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.000
then now that there's space, we can put in our

1567
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.319
gene of interest. So we essentially just use the viral

1568
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:24.760
vector to deliver the gene of interest, but it's not infectious, right,

1569
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:27.760
And so this has proven to be a really good

1570
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.840
way of delivering the gene therapy.

1571
01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:34.800
I love that you know, you touched a little bit

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01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:37.840
on the types of diseases the gene therapy is helping.

1573
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:40.399
Can you expand on that a little bit more?

1574
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:45.079
Yeah, So there are now over twenty FA approved gene therapies.

1575
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.800
There's a lot more in development, but among the approved therapies,

1576
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:53.920
there are approved gene therapies for certain blood disorders, for example,

1577
01:30:54.039 --> 01:31:00.920
sickle cell disease hemophilia. There are approofd therapies for muscular disorders,

1578
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:05.159
so so du chem master dystrophe, Spaanna, musca atrophy. There's

1579
01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:11.039
also gene therapies for rare metabolic disorder, certain types of cancers,

1580
01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.199
and inherited forms of blindness and deafness. So these are

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01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:16.640
what I'm talking about. There are just the FDA approof therapies,

1582
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:22.560
and then there's a much more there. It's active work

1583
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:25.520
to try to develop, you know, fdaproof therapies that are

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01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:26.319
in clinical trials.

1585
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:29.239
Right, I was going to say, we're talking with doctor

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01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.279
Lindsay George. She's a world leader in gene therapy and

1587
01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:37.720
a physician scientist specializing in bleeding clotting disorders, including hemophilia.

1588
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.119
She's the director of Clinical and Vivo gene Therapy at

1589
01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:44.760
Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where she leads clinical trials and

1590
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:50.039
research advancing gene based treatments for genetic diseases. Let's talk

1591
01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:54.720
about some real world examples of how gene therapy is

1592
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.159
changing a patient's life, doctor George.

1593
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:02.399
Sure, So, you know, I think really compelling example recently

1594
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:05.079
is work that came out of the Child's Hospital Philadelphia

1595
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:11.039
and University of Pennsylvania where researchers and physicians developed a

1596
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:15.720
personalized genie editing therapy. So this was for a baby

1597
01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:19.840
that was born that had inherited metabolic disorder where he

1598
01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:25.560
can't process nutrients. He's very very sick. He developed and

1599
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.520
the group developed, and then he received this personalized gending

1600
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:34.640
therapy and he's now actually doing really well. He's developed. Well, yeah,

1601
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:36.640
it's really exciting. I mean, we have to keep following

1602
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:40.840
him to make sure he stays healthy and and and

1603
01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:42.720
I think the important thing is that this really showed

1604
01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:46.399
this this uh group of concept that you could develop

1605
01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:49.600
a personally genanning therapy. And so now the work is

1606
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:54.920
focused on doing this formally, you know, additional sonical research trials,

1607
01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:57.479
and then the goal would be to develop and approof therapy.

1608
01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:01.079
So that's one really exciting therapy. But I'll just note

1609
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:04.680
that there are multiple you know, as I was mentioned,

1610
01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.600
gene addition, where you patient has an inherited mutation and

1611
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:10.640
you give them a functional copy of the gene. There

1612
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:14.680
is approaching ten years ago, a gene therapy that has

1613
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.439
developed for an inherited form of blindness, where this has

1614
01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:20.800
helped patients restore some of their vision. And that's obviously

1615
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:25.479
dramatic impacts for patients. And then the last thing, you know,

1616
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:29.079
you're kind of talking about rare disorders versus larger populations

1617
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:31.600
of patients that actually that I'm aware of the biggest

1618
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:34.159
population of patients that have received. Gene therapy is for

1619
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:36.680
a disorder called spun on muscro atrophy that may not

1620
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:39.520
be obvious to people, but it's actually relatively common and

1621
01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:43.039
is the most common cause of infant or previously was

1622
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:48.119
the most common genetic clause of important mentality. And about

1623
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:51.600
a decade ago, approaching a decade ago, gene therapy was

1624
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:56.680
developed is now FDA approved, and these kids are and

1625
01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:59.159
so it was because it was a therapy developed for

1626
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:02.079
this geneic disease. It actually was placed on the newborn

1627
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.680
screenings that's done you know, within a couple of days

1628
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:08.239
of birth. So these paces are now identified really early,

1629
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.239
they're treated really early, and I think it's a great

1630
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:15.319
example of the science meeting the needs of the patients,

1631
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.520
where you know, it's a remarkable feat just to develop therapy,

1632
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:21.000
but it's also important to be able to implement it

1633
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.520
in the most meaningful way possible to optimize patient outcomes.

1634
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.520
So these are just a couple of really exciting stories.

1635
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:29.600
This is a lot of great news and I believe

1636
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.760
for parents especially who are there and they you know,

1637
01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:37.239
are experiencing their children in this kind of distress, and

1638
01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:41.960
gene therapy is offering an answer here possibly doctor George.

1639
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:44.239
As we wrap things up, tell our listeners where they

1640
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.840
can go to find out more about gene therapy and

1641
01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:51.079
ongoing research at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

1642
01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:53.560
Sure, if people are interested, they can go to the

1643
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:56.479
main CHOP website which is Chop dot edu, which is

1644
01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:59.720
c hop dot edu, and there are multiple links to

1645
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.199
information about gene therapy.

1646
01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.359
Doctor Lindsey George, thank you for being with us. Take care, stay.

1647
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:09.199
Well, Thank you, take care, you got it.

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Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with

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Eric Shiner's back with us from MRC video. Hey, Eric,

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how are we doing, dude?

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How's it going?

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Bill?

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Hey, it's going terrific. And of course, hey, we love

1729
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:28.000
these segments that we do with you, you know, just

1730
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:30.800
remembering the things that we probably talked about all week

1731
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:33.600
with some of the crazy things that hey, you know,

1732
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.720
the left has been coming up with pretty incredible. I mean,

1733
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:39.239
let's start off with Eugene Daniels.

1734
01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:42.279
Huh yeah. In our Worst of the Week this week,

1735
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:45.479
one of the contenders is Eugene Daniels, who says, you know,

1736
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:49.600
talking about trans rights and being able having access to abortion,

1737
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:51.760
these are kitchen table issues.

1738
01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.159
Now, Eric, you're going to tell me that this is

1739
01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:56.479
nothing that you and your family talk. We talk about

1740
01:39:56.479 --> 01:39:58.760
it around our kitchen table all the time. Right.

1741
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.399
Yeah, you know, honey, honey, are enough boys getting into

1742
01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:06.359
your locker room? You know when your girl sports that

1743
01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:08.319
you're playing, If you do you feel enough boys are

1744
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:10.079
getting in the locker room and in your restroom for you,

1745
01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:14.479
That's the conversation that they leftist media thinks that families

1746
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.239
are having Oh you know, are they take you on

1747
01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:19.760
that field trip to the planned parenthood daughter of mine?

1748
01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:24.119
You know, how'd that go? Uh? These are not kitchen

1749
01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:24.880
table issues.

1750
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:28.159
But I mean, and so deluded. They're so deluded. Bill.

1751
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:31.199
The thing that amazes me, Eric, I mean, we're not

1752
01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:35.359
talking about some journalistic schlub here. I mean, she is

1753
01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:41.600
a senior Washington correspondent for I get an ms IT now.

1754
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:44.279
But what does that say? I mean, for you to

1755
01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:49.720
reach that kind of level of credential and qualification, I mean,

1756
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:52.600
what a goofy question, you know.

1757
01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:56.079
But this is the advice that they're giving. This is

1758
01:40:56.359 --> 01:40:58.119
you know, this is what they're saying. This is how

1759
01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:00.840
they're kind of going through this democratic autopsy on how

1760
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.359
comal last the election. There's well, she wasn't talking about

1761
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:04.560
these kitchen table issues.

1762
01:41:05.439 --> 01:41:05.640
You know.

1763
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:09.000
Part of me says, go ahead, take the media's advice

1764
01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:11.600
talk about this as kitchen table issues, because I think

1765
01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:14.000
it's probably going to cost you votes in the long run.

1766
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:15.399
You know.

1767
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:17.960
I mean, some people think some of the stuff Trump

1768
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:19.960
does it's insane. You can like them not like them,

1769
01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:23.239
but when you put up ideas that you know, talking

1770
01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:25.800
about trans rights is a kitchen table issue. When you

1771
01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:29.600
put up candidates that can't say men can't get pregnant,

1772
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:33.920
you know it, that looks a lot more insane to

1773
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:37.439
people than anything else. I mean, this is an eighty

1774
01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:38.640
ninety percent issue.

1775
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.079
Well that's what I'm saying, you know, is that you

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01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:44.680
know these you know, they're choosing you know, the ten

1777
01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.840
twenty percent of an issue and trying to you know,

1778
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:53.119
force and compel America to believe in this nonsense. And

1779
01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:56.119
thank god, America for the most part is saying, uh,

1780
01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:58.199
let's just switch the channel.

1781
01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:00.880
You know, well, you know, and this is why it

1782
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.119
seems that there's no one that's really in charge of

1783
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:06.079
the Democratic Party. There's no clear person that they're going

1784
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:08.279
to put up as a presidential candidate as of yet,

1785
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:11.600
because they know, you know, this is where they're at,

1786
01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:13.920
and when they say these things, it's really going to

1787
01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:15.399
put off a lot of the independence.

1788
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:17.800
I think, well, you see, you can get away with

1789
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.159
this as long as you're in the silo. You're in

1790
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:23.279
the silo. Everybody of like mine. And see that. Then

1791
01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:25.520
every once in a while, they you know, somebody, I

1792
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.000
guess they throw them outside the silos, say Harry, you know,

1793
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.000
go ahead and speak out and this sort of thing,

1794
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:35.079
and as you say, you know, the Democrats are still

1795
01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:38.760
you know, bewildered and cannot figure out one hundred and

1796
01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.479
seven days with Kamala Harris. And then, as if that's

1797
01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:45.119
not enough, of course, this week, Jill Biden comes out

1798
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:46.640
of hiding, right with her.

1799
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:49.079
Joe Biden comes out of hiding and releases this book saying,

1800
01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:51.119
you know, I thought my husband had a stroke. Not

1801
01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:52.800
really the look of concern that she showed at the

1802
01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:54.600
end of the debate. If anybody watches the end of

1803
01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:57.279
the debate video, and they stuck around and they talked

1804
01:42:57.319 --> 01:43:00.439
to media afterwards, and that's not the conversation. But again,

1805
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:01.880
you know, this is what they do. And this will

1806
01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:05.159
actually go into our second worst of the week SoundBite.

1807
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:07.720
Is a lot of the left and especially the media,

1808
01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:09.560
they like to change history.

1809
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.840
They like to change that perspective.

1810
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.279
Oh yeah, we knew, we knew he was in trouble.

1811
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:16.520
Okay, you know the media was out there doing oh

1812
01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:18.720
any video of him walking around and shaking, you know,

1813
01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:20.600
the limb of a tree behind him was you know,

1814
01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:23.039
a deep fake. Right, He's not walking off the edge

1815
01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:25.319
of the podium and nearly falling he's he meant to

1816
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:27.640
do that. He was bending down to shake somebody's hand.

1817
01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:30.680
You know, these are cheap fakes. They practice that. We

1818
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:34.279
had Joe Scarborough saying this is the brightest Joe Biden

1819
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:37.239
he's ever seen. You know, the media played cover for him,

1820
01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:39.720
and I think that's part of why now you see

1821
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:42.319
them so focused on Trump's health and his swollen ankles

1822
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.319
and seeing his doctor because you know, they got burned.

1823
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:46.199
They got burned.

1824
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.279
So they're saying, well, we're gonna go really hard on

1825
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:50.920
this guy. Oh, of course you are, because he's a Republican.

1826
01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:53.640
But as we said, they like to change the history,

1827
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:56.000
they like to change the truth. So our second bite

1828
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.159
is sunny haustin from the view and she decides to

1829
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:03.159
say that, you know, the Black Lives Matter riots weren't

1830
01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:04.239
particularly destructive.

1831
01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:05.079
You know what happened.

1832
01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:07.520
January sixth was far worse. You can't even compare it

1833
01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:11.000
because you know, those Black Lives laugh Black Lives Matter

1834
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.960
protests were peaceful. So we're back to the mostly peaceful,

1835
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:18.920
fiery protests, right. You know this, this is what the

1836
01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:21.840
leftist media does over and over again. Whether we go

1837
01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:24.720
you know, to Donald Trump sing, well, there's good people

1838
01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:27.000
on both sides when it came to Charlottesville. Well, that's

1839
01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:29.600
clearly only part of what he said. But they like

1840
01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:31.680
to get that narrative out there, and once they do,

1841
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:33.279
it's a tough narrative to be.

1842
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:36.479
It really is. Well, even like you say, in Charleston,

1843
01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:38.640
you know the statement that Trump made, and then we

1844
01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.720
find out the Southern Poverty Law Center cook the books

1845
01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:41.960
on that.

1846
01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:47.159
The Charlotteville you know, that was funded by the Southern

1847
01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:49.199
Poverty Law Center, if you want to look at it

1848
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:51.640
that way, to a degree, a lot of money went there.

1849
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:54.199
And this is what happened, right, because all they have

1850
01:44:54.399 --> 01:45:00.600
is these divote, divisive, you know, race driven issues. I mean,

1851
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:02.319
one of the reasons race is such an issue is

1852
01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:03.640
because they keep bringing it.

1853
01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:07.560
Up even though the Supreme Court says it's an erab

1854
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.960
you know, gone by, it's an.

1855
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:12.159
Never gone by, But they can't accept it because you know,

1856
01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:15.119
I mean, why do they have their districts jerrymandered that way? Well,

1857
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:17.760
we need to have the black vote because black people

1858
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:20.439
can only vote for a black candidate, I guess is

1859
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.359
the argument, which you know in Tennessee that was proven

1860
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.760
untrue with Democrat Steve Cohen in Virginia.

1861
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:29.600
Yeah, I mean they didn't all vote. They didn't all

1862
01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:32.800
vote for the lieutenant governor. Only fifteen percent, eighty five

1863
01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:36.239
percent voted for the white woman.

1864
01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:39.680
Right, But they need to jerrymander their districts so they

1865
01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:42.079
have a district that they can completely win, or they

1866
01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.560
can try to jerrymander out. Look as they did in Virginia,

1867
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:50.079
jerrymander out all the Republicans and bleed all the Liberals

1868
01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:52.199
from up north down through the state.

1869
01:45:52.760 --> 01:45:55.479
Right exactly. Well, going back to what Sonny had to say,

1870
01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:59.479
I mean, how ridiculous Black lives matter, Summer of love,

1871
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:04.239
fire burning contest that you know, I don't know the

1872
01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:06.920
estimates somewhere two to four billion dollars, how many jobs

1873
01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:10.239
lost have not been recovered, businesses have left those cities

1874
01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:13.359
that were impacted, and that sort of thing. January sixth

1875
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:17.000
damage by comparison, I think around a million dollars is

1876
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.880
what they've estimated. So it's not even close. I mean,

1877
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.720
just on its face and looking at the data and

1878
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:27.560
the empirical evidence, I mean, that is the most ridiculous

1879
01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:30.960
statement they could come out of anybody's mouth, much less

1880
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:37.439
a co host of an ABC a national network, you

1881
01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:38.760
know product.

1882
01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:41.920
Yeah, well you know, and they have the most aptly

1883
01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:46.880
ironically named folks hosting that show. You have Sunny Enjoy

1884
01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:50.119
and there're anything but yeah, they're nothing but hate. Whoopee,

1885
01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:53.439
they're nothing but hate. Longers, they just push forth hate,

1886
01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:57.600
They just push forth this leftist narrative. But again, that's

1887
01:46:57.680 --> 01:47:00.600
what we've come to expect from the leftist media and celebrities.

1888
01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:03.920
And that will give me my introduction to our third worst.

1889
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:08.880
We had the Boss, Bruce Bringsteen. He's still up there croaking,

1890
01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:11.840
you know, doing going on Stephen Colbert's you know, final.

1891
01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:16.720
He's doing everything he can to become irrelevant, isn't he Yeah.

1892
01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:18.720
And destroy his legacy. You know, you would think as

1893
01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:22.479
an entertainer you'd want to appeal to the largest mass

1894
01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:27.000
or you possibly could. And some entertainers really do do that,

1895
01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:28.840
and I have greater respect for them.

1896
01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:29.159
Now.

1897
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:30.800
Look, you know, we can all like, I mean, yeah,

1898
01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:33.840
they're certainly entertainers that go, wow, they're a really good songwriter.

1899
01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:36.239
I like their music, but I don't care for their

1900
01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:39.520
leftist message. So it makes me m and I'm more

1901
01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:42.439
inclined to think about whether I want to buy their

1902
01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:44.880
next album better be really good. But it doesn't mean,

1903
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:47.000
you know, just because your leftist doesn't mean you're not talented.

1904
01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:48.359
Same on the right.

1905
01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:50.640
But it's interesting.

1906
01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:54.359
He goes out and he spreads the lie that Colbert

1907
01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:57.159
has been spreading, and the leftist media chamber has been

1908
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echoing that his show is getting canceled because President Trump

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doesn't like it. He can't take a joke. They don't

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want to mention the fact that this show is losing

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millions of dollars a year after year, that it costs

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more to produce than it makes in which just the

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simple economics, we can't keep it afloat. That's why your

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show is getting canceled. Not enough people are watching. Why

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are they not watching? Couldn't possibly be because you're just

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pushing a leftist message over and over and over again.

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Then I can guess the punchline to every joke is

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going to be f Trump, right, yes, right, yeah, yeah,

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I mean, who gee, where.

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Is this monologue going?

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But that's what you see across the board, and we've

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seen it and studying after study at the Media Research

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Center that these late night shows are just propaganda. I mean,

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just last night we had Jimmy Kimmel, you know, yeah,

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attacking Spencer Pratt. You know, in order to support Karen Mass.

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It's like one your show's out in New York.

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What do you care?

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But that's the thing you can't possibly have consider anyone

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that's a Republican. You have to attack, attack, attack. And

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was it funny no? Was it interesting no? Was it

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full of lies?

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Yes?

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But they hope to get those deceptive messages out. And

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you know Springsteen's crooning about it.

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I guess, well, getting back to Kimmel and his attack

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on Spencer Pratt, I mean you talk about lies. I

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mean the lies are emanating from you know, Karen Bass's camp.

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I mean all Spencer Pratt is saying is that, hey,

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you're lying, eyes are not They're not lying to you.

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I mean, you know, we've we had all this destruction.

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I don't think they've started to build five of the homes.

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And he was very very straight and up front with everybody, saying, sadly,

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a lot of you are not going to be able

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to afford to rebuild your homes. I mean, Karen Bass

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destroyed the palisades and just destroyed the lives of all

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these people. And I say her, it's her administration. I

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mean people, not I mean for them to make the

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decision not to have water.

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You know, it's funny you mentioned that, but Jimmy Kimmel didn't,

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of course, not no, you didn't mention that. He didn't

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mention the fact that they can't rebuild. He didn't man

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mention the water management. He just went on Spencer Pratt,

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you know, staying at a hotel or doing this or

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you know, looking goofy singing to the fresh Prince of

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l R song. Those are the leftist media attacks that

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you see on Spencer Pratt because they don't want to

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talk about the issues. Why doesn't Jimmy Kimmel have Spencer

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Pratt on right?

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Well? Because, yeah, well because the.

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Late Night Joes don't ever have left people from the

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right on their show. They're leftists, they're going to have

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their group, they're going to be an echo chamber. They're

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not because Spencer Pratt could have easily shot down everything

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Jimmy Kimmel.

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Was saying, right, doesn't want to cause that.

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As we wrap these up, these three candidates, we vote

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we know what next week, right.

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No, yeah, you vote this weekend, and then starting on Monday,

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we will release the winner. So if you go to

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the X the Twitter feed, the x feed for NewsBusters

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or MRC video, you'll see the area with the video

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and you the vote the poll right there, so click

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make a vote, participate.

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It's hard to pick.

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Just one as the worst, though, is it.

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No, they're pretty good. They are You guys have done

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it again. Thank you for capturing it all. He's the

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senior director Frame MARCVD, Eric Shiner, Thank you, Eric.

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Take care all right, thanks for having me. Bill pre

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