April 14, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 04 14 26

The Bill Martinez Show 04 14 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 04 14 26
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Are you ready, Yeah, okay, let's do an ill.

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Mark Tina's Live a program about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martina's.

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Welcome Morning America six minutes after the top of the hour.

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Right now, and back with us is Eric Leidenhardt. Always

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good to have him here. We're gonna be talking, of course, Iran.

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A little background. Eric is a former Air Force combat

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controller who has operating in some of the most dangerous

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combat zones.

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In the world. Eric, good to have you back with us.

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How are you.

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Damn well, that's good to be back. It's good to

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see you.

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Well.

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Lots to talk about here in light of you know,

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the big rescue and the affirmation that America doesn't leave

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anybody behind man or woman.

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By the way, in.

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Case some of us lives go crazy, they go oh,

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because you know, Pete hex says, says, we don't leave

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any man behind. You know, It's like, well, of course,

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you know, it's just everybody gets so super sensitive. They're

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just you know, we diculous. I mean, here we are

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fighting a war. Call it what you want, and everybody

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wants to be picky. Union and Monday Morning quarterback. This

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when you know, they're not on the battlefield.

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Eric, Yeah, it was. It was sad to say.

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It was sad to hear I should say, and watch

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some of these reporters ask the Secretary of War on

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you know, little comments like that, and then too, why

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would we risk so many assets to get one person?

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And you know, some of the comments that President Trump's

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just it just blows my mind. They should be cheering

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for the US and making sure they knowing that everybody

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comes home and everybody's safe and sound, and instead they're

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trying to they hate them so much they would rather

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watch an American lose his life, right, So it's it's sad.

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Well, it's quite telling, I think for the rest of

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Americans who are Americans and interested in American ideals here

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that we have living amongst US people who have been

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indoctrinated and are jaded against our American values.

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And you know, and the thing is.

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Is that we've got to continue to fight the good

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fight for freedom even though they have let go. And

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you know, they have benefited all along, all these years,

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they've benefited from, you know, the work that you've done.

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My family and other soldiers, you know, on behalf of freedom.

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For America, they have benefited from it, and here they are,

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you know, I means it takes a lot of arrogance,

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and it's disappointing even even for these immigrants who have

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come into the country that we've put out a welcome

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mat set here, come on, you're welcome, come on in,

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and then here we find out they're you know, involved

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in all these fraud schemes.

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Right yeah, I mean Marco Rubio said it best.

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You know, it's you're welcome to our house, and you

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should obey our rules and our customs, our values and beliefs.

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But then you come in here and you want to

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destroy it from the just like the place you came from.

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And then the sad part, as you were saying, is

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some of these people that were born here in America,

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there are US citizens, they believe the hype, they've been brainwashed,

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and then they want to tear down America from within.

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So there's a rotting within America. And it's just sad

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how how their brain is just skewed into trying to

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destroy a place where they do have that freedom of speech,

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where men and women have died to give them that

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freedom of speech, and the and these you know, these

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basic constitutional rights, but they think they lived in the

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most oppressed, racist country, which you look around, look at

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their entertainers and politicians, and it's just some for them

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to cry about.

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Well.

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And the thing is, it's so disappointing because you know,

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if you could talk to them, but the problem is

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they're so ideologically fixed.

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They you know, look at the hand, you know, they

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don't want to talk.

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But the deally is, sadly they're going to have to

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go through this process and realize that here all these

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causes that they've been championing are loser causes. And if

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you go back historically, if you have any interest at

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all in history, look at what happened with other empires

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and other countries that have fallen victim to this type

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of behavior that they're participating in. It brought them down

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and they were worse off than where they started.

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Absolutely, and I have a better one. I mean, just

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an empire that's crumbling right now. It's the English Empire, right,

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I mean, people are up there in their country, they're

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protesting because they don't recognize their country anymore. It's falling

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from within because they had those left leaning ideologies and

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now you know, it's crumbling and all the people their

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open border systems, and you know, they wanted to help everybody.

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Now it's just being taken from them. And in the

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English people don't recognize their own country, and that's in

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the empire that's crumbling before our eyes.

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Yeah, and like you said, I think that it's one

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of those things where people thought, hey, we want to

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be nice, we want to share our prosperity, and unfortunately

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they weren't careful about who came into their country and

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they let in a bunch of parasites basically.

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Right absolutely.

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You know, I think it's the West and some of

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these civilized countries they understand and they've done a lot

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of work to get to the point to where they're

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at and they want to help other humans. But then

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you bring in these savages that don't care, right you

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They are a parasite. There are cancer that they just

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want to destroy, want to consume, and a lot of

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these people that have come in. You look at our

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borders now too. Some of these Muslim extremists they just

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want to destroy. They are splinter cells. They want to

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get here, establish a foothold, and then they're just going

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to destroy the country.

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From within, right, And it's not just the Muslims. I mean,

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we've got the Chinese.

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There's other outside interest, you know. I mean, here it

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is we've captured Venezuela's leader. But there are some you know,

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very much loyalists to Venezuela Cubans as well, that want

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to come into this country and say, well, how dare you,

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you know, how dare you interrupt our great government that

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we've been providing for the people, even though they're eating

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out of trash trucks and their inflation is up over

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a thousand and they're starving to death, right.

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Oh absolutely, And I think part of it is that

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the media that pushes that right, they find one or

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two of those crazy individuals and they're saying, oh, the

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US sh have never come here. And then you have

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the looney tics about the no King's protests. But then

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they're they hate They're saying President Trump's a king, But

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then we took down a dictator in both Iran and Venezuela,

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and they're cheering for those two guys, the guys that

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are oppressed their people to kill their people. There was

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you know, their press, freedom of speech, all that stuff

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that rights that people didn't have, but then they they

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want America to be like that.

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So yeah, it's it's mind boggling.

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Well, even our own media.

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I mean they want to listen to maybe a semi

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comatose dead Komane and the Moo laws. They want to

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listen to them and quote them and then you know,

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malign Donald Trump. Oh yeah, by the way, the commander

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in chief and the president of our country. Right, this

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is our own media doing this to us.

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Yeah, and the media is a public enemy number one unfortunately. Right,

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they're the ones that caused the vision right when. I mean,

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elections are coming, so I'm sure there's going to be

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some type of black and white thing that they're going

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to push to divide us more.

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The abortion is going to come back to divide us more.

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The economics and everything that President Trump's you know, doing,

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they're going to say a warmonger, even though he's trying

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to stop things. I mean, he agreed to the ceasefire.

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I mean it's just you know, he's President Trump and

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his cabinet is very strategic.

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And what we're doing.

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If people don't realize that, we're making sure that China

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doesn't get over on us because they have been for

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so many years. So if we start controlling the oil

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and everything we're doing, then we start choking them out

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because China depends on that oil from exactly and industry

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at her mood.

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So now that we control it.

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You know, and I love that President Trump said to

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the NATO countries, Hey, we needed your help and you

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didn't want to, and so now you.

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Can buy all from us.

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Right, It's like everybody's friendly when we need it, but

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in time of need, you realize who your friends are

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so well.

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And like you say, how much is the United States

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the American taxpayer supported NATO's defense.

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Oh absolutely, I mean the war in Ukraine the newest one, right,

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And anytime that one of those our partner or ally

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countries we're in trouble, who goes in first? The US

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We send in supplies, we send war war equipment, a yeah,

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and it's tax I mean even Israel.

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I mean, we we help Israel quite a bit. But

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Israel at least gets in there with US.

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Right, So they're a small country, but they know what

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kind of ally partnership we have with the United States.

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But then you have England, that just England, Spain, and

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I know the French that said no, but you know,

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without us, you know, good.

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Luck, right exactly. Well, Donald Trump, in his own manner

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is taking names, isn't.

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He He is? Like I said, it's it's a very

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smart play. And if you start looking at it from

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just more of a you know, an overview of what's

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he what he's doing out there. And again, China is

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it's a strong country, right, but if we start controlling

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that oil, they can't produce.

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Anything they want to produce.

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So they're going to have to start playing nice a

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little bit, and then we have the ability to control that.

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And then you know, the US is self sufficient and

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we're establishing ourselves as a self sufficient country in nation

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that doesn't need NATO. And I think that's why President Trump.

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So you know, he said it from the beginning in

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his campaign where he cares about America first, and that's

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what I mean. He's showing that he's demonstrating that to

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the world.

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Exactly.

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We got to go to quick break. We got more

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from Eric liinhard after this stay with us.

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Hey, we're back with him Bill Martinez with Eric Lightineheart.

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He is a former Air Force combat controller who's operated

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in some of the most dangerous combat zones in the world. Eric,

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you know, put on your military hat and go back,

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I mean with your experience and that to see what

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Donald Trump and the Secretary of War did and not

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letting you know a fellow American who went down on

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the plane and what it took to go in. Like

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you said, people were complaining that we use too many people.

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Well how many is too many people to save an American?

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Right?

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Absolutely, I mean it's I think that's what inspired a

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lot of people to join the military. If you can

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remember we talked I think was last year that or

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a couple of years, you know before recruiting numbers were terrible.

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We couldn't get anybody joined the military. Right they had

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the whole trans thing and the inclusive and all ideology. Yeah,

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all that stuff that makes any sense in the military.

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Now you have a president that cares about the guys.

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You have Pete, heex Seth who used to be a

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prior military man, so he you know, he understands what

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it takes to join the military and leave your family

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and all that other stuff. So yeah, for them to

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show to not only say it, but to actually show

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that they have the military service members back, especially going

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to war, and ask him to do this type of mission,

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I mean, it just speaks volumes and that's why I

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think morale is so high and the troops love it.

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Yeah, without a doubt. I got to imagine that this

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was really a shot in the arm. And I mean

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this has been another shot in the arm because remember

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at the end of the year, Donald Trump gave all

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the military a bonus, right, Yeah.

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I wish I was in the military at that time. Yeah,

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seventeen seventy six, I believe it was.

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Yeah, right exactly, they said seventeen seven. He goes, well,

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how about seventeen seventy six. We'll just you know, makes sense, right, Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely, and he does.

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I mean, it goes how much he loves the country, right,

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and if he's what I love is that if he's

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going to put American women and men in Harm's way

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to go do this type of mission that he's going

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to have their backs, He's going to go get them

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in the amount of aircraft that we you know, I'm

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sure it was not only aircraft, but man hours and

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logistics and all that stuff that went into it. I mean,

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I ran people forget, it's not Afghanistan, Iran. I think

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it was the seventh largest military in the world. So

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for the US to go and just completely crush them

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and then to go get one of our guys, I mean,

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it wasn't a simple thing of just getting a helicopter

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a couple of you know, aircraft to go and rescue

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this pilot. I mean it was a big mission and

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a lot of coordination had to happen to go get

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this guy deep in enemy territory.

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So, Eric, from your perspective, I mean, you know we're

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getting into some of the policy here. I mean your

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background was on the on the battlefield.

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But you know the enemy.

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You know Iranians and the Mullahs and the way they act.

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You've been around it enough to know their psychology. Uh

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do you see do you see any upside short of

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just absolutely eradicating them?

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Now, the sad part is that you know that you've

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heard that they've taken away their internet, their communication, right,

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so the only information those most people are getting in

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Iran is what the government tells them. Hopefully, you know, Luckily,

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there's there's a lot of smart people over there that

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realize that their governor their government as lying to them.

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But yeah, I mean that Iran, I think was sixty

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five thousand or whatever their big prize was to capture

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this down pilot. So yeah, I mean, if they were

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to capture that pilot, I mean the amount of negative

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propaganda and I mean they would probably executed them and

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TV just to show how mighty they were.

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I mean, remember.

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Isis how they used what they used to do to

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their prisoners. So I'm glad that the US winn and

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got them, and you know, and I'm sure that there

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was a lot of you know, you heard that there

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was a big firefight getting this guy. And yeah, no,

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I think the US should continue to keep going. And

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obviously now you hear about the straight of Hormuth that

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the Iranians are not really following what the ceasefire agreement

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was and they're kind of still doing some some shady stuff.

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So I mean, what do you expect from a bunch

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of savages that are really not interested in playing nice

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and compliant to this ceasefire.

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Well, they don't know the truth.

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You know, They've lied constantly. It's it's a part of

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their doctrine and all they are. I mean, they're running

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the clock here, and I don't I don't think. I mean, fortunately,

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I think we can be grateful for the president that

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we have because Donald Trump's not going to put up

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with this and they're going to learn the hard way.

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But this is a death cult.

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And and you know, historically the only way you can

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manage a death cult is you got to give them

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what they expect.

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You've got to put them out of their misery.

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Absolutely, And they understand death, right.

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They they're not like most people in the West that

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value human life. I mean, same thing in Afghanistan, and

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violence is the way of life over there. And and

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you know, if they've been bred to hate the West,

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you know, death to America. They like to chant and

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any Infidel that doesn't believe in what they believe, they're

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they're they're there to kill us, right. So I'm glad

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that we can get them at their shore and in

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their country before it spreads here, but I mean you've

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seen it in our in our cities and some of

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the attacks that have happened, and some of these lunatics

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that wave you know it's the Iranian flag or a

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Palestinian flag or whatever flag it is that they want

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to hurt Americans just because of ourware of life and

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what we believe in.

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It's sad well, and like you suggested earlier, the way

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the migration has been going, you know, and because here

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we're talking radicals of radicals, and you may take the

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nuclear bomb away from them in their own country, but

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that's not going to stop them to go.

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You mentioned England. England's very vulnerable. That's right. They have

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a nuclear bomb, don't they.

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Yeah, I mean they, I mean England, all of Europe, right,

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I mean you have some European countries that are like Poland.

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I love Poland.

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Poland said, Nope, you're not coming to our country. I

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don't care what you call is. If you're not if

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you don't believe in what we believe in our values

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and beliefs, don't come here. And and people in Europe

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mocked them and criticized them, but they don't have the

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crime that you know other women.

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Now women aren't getting raped in broad daylight and you

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know is.

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Being abused, right, absolutely, so good on the Polish right,

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same thing in Australia. Australia, you know, they they made

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fun of us for citizens carrying weapons and all that

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other stuff, and then you had those two lunatics that

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were shooting. You know, there's all those people on the beach.

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I forgot the name of the beach. But you know

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it's it's you reap what you sew, right. You allow

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some of these parasites to love that word, you allow

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them into your country and then that's you know, eventually

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they just can't they can't function the way we do.

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So the easy fixes don't let them in our country.

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Right.

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But here, I think you're in a situation where you

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got to know, you know, like the Bible says there's

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time for peace and time for war, excuse me, and

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you got to know the difference.

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Right absolutely. You know I kind of struggled at when

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I was an operator a little bit. But God is

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merciful and he teaches you should love your neighbor, and

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you know, the Golden Rule and all that stuff, But

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people forget that God also handed out some pretty good retribution,

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right and right.

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So there's that part of it.

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And you know, trend the other cheek doesn't mean you

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just keep taking blows from your enemy.

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It's just it's just a little bit different.

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But yeah, God is merciful and he wants you to

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love your neighbor, but he also hands out some pretty

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good retribution.

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And now, yeah, I'm all about that.

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Well, He's a just god, absolutely, and at times, you know,

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justice has to be rendered. And maybe this is the

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case here for the Malas, for around forty seven years

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of terror that they've reigned on the planet, and maybe

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God is stepping in on this and saying enough is enough.

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Not to mention the fact that you know, we've had

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reports eric that they have murdered over eighty thousand of

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their own people just in Tehran alone.

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I know they're calling numbers like forty thousand of that.

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But you know, we've spoken with people there who are

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on the ground and saying, Bill, that is a low number.

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It's it's upwards of eighty thousand that they've murdered.

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Yeah, I believe that.

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I mean, we're only going to get what they leak out, right,

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or what maybe someone that was there an can push out.

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But other than that, yeah, i mean remember when they

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were there was an uprising.

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I mean they were killing their citizens for protesting and

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then uh there was who was an Olympic wrestler, Yeah

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that they executed.

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Them, Yeah, they hung them.

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Yeah.

483
00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.960
So you know, again it's just some of these people

484
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.279
that that have a soft spot for those those type

485
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.920
of regimes that will kill their people, you know here

486
00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.279
in America that they're crying for them, and then they're

487
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.160
making America to be bad. It was like, do you

488
00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.720
not even watch the news? Do you do a little

489
00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.880
bit of research on on you know what Venezuela and

490
00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:38.759
Iran and you know some of those people how they

491
00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:39.759
treat their citizens.

492
00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.319
So yeah, it's mind blowing.

493
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.839
Well, I've said the thing about this war is that

494
00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.720
it's been you know, quite revealing on so many levels.

495
00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.599
Just like you're talking about what these administrations, what these

496
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.319
isms are all about. Historically, they're not any different than

497
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.640
any of the ones that have been uh you know,

498
00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.480
have been documented in history. This is the way they

499
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.920
treat their people all for the sake of power. They

500
00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.319
really don't care about their people, you know, they're they're

501
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.559
there they're in control. They're living high and mighty at

502
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.519
the expense of the people. And as long as they

503
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.359
stay in their lane and behave themselves, everything's okay. But

504
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.599
God forbid that you want to get in their face

505
00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.359
and tell them they're doing something that's unfair. Well, then

506
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.720
you know, they'll just put you out of your misery.

507
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.640
Yeah, and I mean, it's seven right, if we were

508
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.039
doing something bad like some of what the Love claims

509
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.359
that we're in there just for America's sake, right, then

510
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.279
all the people that are Iranians and Iranian American citizens,

511
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.079
now that that you enjoy our way of living, they

512
00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:41.559
cheered and went to the streets and we're so happy.

513
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.359
But the media coverage of that was very small, right,

514
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.440
only they only cover the negative side, which paints the wrong.

515
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:48.839
Again.

516
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.799
The media, the mainstream media, is the public enemy number one,

517
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.519
and it's it's just a shame that they just are

518
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.200
not pro America. I'm not saying they shouldn't report stuff

519
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:01.880
that goes on in the country, that's but things like this,

520
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:02.720
I mean.

521
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.119
Well, well let's stop, let's have some objectivity.

522
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:07.920
I mean, the reason the First Amendment exists is so

523
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.319
that the mainstream media the media has a free lane

524
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.960
to report and keep government honest, not to be a

525
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.680
propaganda arm for one party over the other. They've been

526
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.519
politicized and weaponized. Unfortunately at the expense of we the people.

527
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.039
We got to leave it for there for now, Eric,

528
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.519
and again, thank you so much. Eric Lionheart, former Air

529
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Force combat controller right here on Bill Martinez Life.

530
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Thank you Eric gutspeed much.

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Well, good morning, welcome back. Let you join us, Bill

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Martinez here, We've got doctor Bob Palell from.

598
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Focus on the Family joining us and talk about you know,

599
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it's always always find it.

600
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Interesting, doctor Paul.

601
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.759
You know the term arreconcilable differences in marriage.

602
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.799
Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah.

603
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:34.039
It's it's the most commonly cited cost for divorce today.

604
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:38.519
And I find it interesting too because I really have

605
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.599
a hard time seeing differences being the problem in marriage.

606
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:43.319
Right exactly.

607
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.480
Well, it's like, hey, when you got married, what did

608
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you think you were going to have? Everybody was gonna be, uh,

609
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.440
you know, perfectly connected and united?

610
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.799
Well and absolutely, And you know, I think about my

611
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.480
wife and I we are very very different people, and

612
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:04.559
I'm grateful for that it's interesting Bill studying social psychology.

613
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.440
I remember how funny we are that we create cliches

614
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.200
for virtually everything. And one of the cliches we have

615
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.799
is opposite to tract. Well that okay, that makes sense.

616
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.319
But we also say birds of a feather flock together.

617
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.799
So obviously there are things about our similarities that draw

618
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:22.480
us to each other.

619
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.440
But apparently differences do too, And I thank God for that, because,

620
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.200
like I said.

621
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.039
Jenny and I are very very different people, and that's

622
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:30.680
a good thing.

623
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:31.880
Yeah.

624
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.079
I thought you were going to say that the irreconcilable

625
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.880
differences was a legal construct ever since Man came up

626
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.279
with this idea that there was no such thing as

627
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.559
no fault divorce.

628
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.680
Right, Well, and it's been the case since then because

629
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:50.240
nobody has to say anything other than irreconciliable differences. And

630
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.359
obviously differences are going to bump. You know, there are

631
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.319
times when we have conflict, my wife and I. It's

632
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.720
and like with most people, it's a result of the

633
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.400
fact that we have different ideas and different beliefs, and

634
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.799
different preferences and different desires.

635
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.319
And so forth, and they bump into each other. And

636
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:06.720
we got to figure out how to deal with that.

637
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.359
How is that different than what Moses called the hardness

638
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:11.039
of their hearts?

639
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:13.599
Well, I think that, you know, the hardness of our

640
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.880
hearts has a lot to do with everything. You know,

641
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.759
we really shut down. But I think to your point there,

642
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.039
I think that God intended us to be different. You know,

643
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:24.680
one of the things I like to look at. I'm

644
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.279
a big sports fan, and I love team sports, and

645
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.599
I think about the best teams are not the teams

646
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.680
that have a whole group of people that have exactly

647
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.599
the same strengths and exactly the same weaknesses. The reality is,

648
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.519
great teams have people that have different strengths and different weaknesses,

649
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.519
and they play to each other's strengths and they cover

650
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.559
each other's differences, and that's what sets them up to

651
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.519
be a great team. A great team of people that

652
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.839
are exactly the same would be really not a very

653
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:53.599
good team at all.

654
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.000
Well exactly. You know, I was talking with the group.

655
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.519
This was years ago as leading a Bible study, and

656
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.119
this was something the Holy Spirit dropped into my spirit

657
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.319
as I was talking because people were kind of you know,

658
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.440
they thought, oh wow, what a genius I go.

659
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:09.279
Wasn't me?

660
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.599
Don't give me I'm not taking any credit for this,

661
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.640
but the idea is that, you know, God calls us

662
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.920
to come together in a marriage to compliment one another, right,

663
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.519
and in that complimenting, if you understand what compliment means,

664
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:25.319
it's a completing process.

665
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:25.720
Right.

666
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.960
And so what God had shown me is that what's

667
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.079
happening with a lot of marriages. Speaking of the sports analogy,

668
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.519
they're not interested so much in a complimenting dynamic as

669
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.720
much as a competing dynamic. And so when you have

670
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.839
compliment versus competing, I said, well, that's interesting. You know,

671
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.519
the word is very similar, but what seems to be

672
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.400
missing is the.

673
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:49.640
L word love.

674
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.279
If you don't have love in the middle of that marriage,

675
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.200
you know, and I'm not just talking about the physical

676
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.960
I'm talking about the love that comes from the throne

677
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.640
room of God. You're going to end up in a

678
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.920
competitive battle, and at that point you're not going to

679
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.839
be able to allow the other person to exercise the

680
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.720
giftings and talents to your benefit in your relationship.

681
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:10.480
Does that make sense?

682
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:11.960
It makes total sense.

683
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.640
And you know, the reality is I'm convinced that probably

684
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:19.160
the biggest problem and the way that the enemy will

685
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:24.319
attack us from inside is power struggles. You know, I'll

686
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.559
last couples all the time. You know, okay, who is.

687
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.079
The ultimate enemy of your marriage?

688
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.480
And they'll always say Satan, I'll say, And in the

689
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.960
moment you get into conflict with your spouse, who do

690
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.000
you see is the enemy? And then they point to

691
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.319
each other and I say, exactly, yeah. The reality is

692
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.400
God created marriage as a team sport, and when you're

693
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.599
on the same team, you both win or you both lose.

694
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.359
There's no such thing as a win lose outcome and

695
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.359
marriage ever, it's an illusion from hell.

696
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.240
Because of the fact that we team. He said.

697
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.039
This was a huge revelation for me. Years ago, I

698
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.279
got into a power struggle with my son and.

699
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.200
I won the.

700
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.960
Battle because it was over a safety issue, and I

701
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.799
got him to see what I needed to see. But

702
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.720
I broke a spirit and I prayerfully said, God, help

703
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.599
me fix this, because I saw my son sitting very dejected,

704
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.519
and I realized that he's thirteen years old. At that time,

705
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.319
I realized that I had really messed it up. And

706
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.279
he gave me this word picture to give to him.

707
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.720
And he was playing the league baseball and he played

708
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.519
with a kid named Chucky and I said, hey, son,

709
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.599
when you played ball with Chucky, is there every time

710
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.000
when you win and Chuck you lose?

711
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.559
He said no. I said, how about Chuck, you wins

712
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:35.039
and you lose.

713
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:35.440
He said no.

714
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:36.920
He said why, I said, because Dad, we're on the

715
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.920
same team. I said exactly, said, I'm not your enemy.

716
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.720
I'm on your team, and therefore, if you lose, I lose.

717
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:43.359
Well.

718
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.359
Over the next several days, I started thinking about my

719
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.160
marriage and I'm big on winning and Bill.

720
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:52.200
I realized how much I set up virtually every interaction.

721
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.920
With Jenny, just like I had done with my younger

722
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.440
with my son, and I realized that I had to

723
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:56.920
change that.

724
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.480
So we created what we call the no Loser's policy.

725
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.920
Because we're teammates, we got to win together.

726
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.839
We got to figure out how to work things out

727
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.319
so that we both feel good about the outcome.

728
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.640
I love that idea.

729
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.320
I remember talking with a gal who had been married

730
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.119
like sixty nine years, so I had couldn't help myself.

731
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.159
I said, Okay, you got to tell me what's your secret?

732
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:16.119
What is your secret?

733
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.639
I mean, because you guys seem like you're you're having

734
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.639
the time of your life.

735
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:21.519
You know, sixty nine years of marriage.

736
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.639
That's a lot of battles, you know, and time and

737
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.000
she goes, oh, Sonny, she goes, I learned a long

738
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:32.519
time ago it's better to be loved than to be right. Yeah,

739
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.039
I do too, And I love I love your idea

740
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:39.159
about that. You know, our families are a team sport.

741
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.000
You know, we win together, we lose together. And to

742
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.079
hear you talk about your son, because I had I

743
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.480
had a son, my youngest son, and I was real

744
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.480
careful about not breaking his spirit. I didn't want to

745
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.039
do that, and I think, you know, in hearing you,

746
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.559
I think at times, even though it's sensitive, I was

747
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.920
about being careful not to I know at times that

748
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:01.440
I did.

749
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.239
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's an easy thing to do,

750
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.039
because you know, we get we get we get caught

751
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.519
up in what we believe to be right right.

752
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.119
We can justify it in a million different ways.

753
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.840
And I don't want anybody that I love walking away

754
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.000
from an interaction with me feeling as if their spirit

755
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.239
was broken and as if they lost.

756
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.559
Yeah, over time to make sure that not be the case,

757
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:27.719
and that has.

758
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.320
Proved to be very productive and very effective and something

759
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.239
we teach and focus on the family all the time.

760
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.360
Well, I got to tell you, I was spoiled I

761
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:36.800
had I had great parents.

762
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.039
My dad was just a terrific guy.

763
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.960
And I never would question my dad the way the

764
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.880
kids today question their parents. And yes, you know, I

765
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.440
get a different generation and a different era and that

766
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.840
sort of thing. And the kids today they're quite versed.

767
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.960
I don't know what they teach them in school. But

768
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.039
you know, it's like sometimes I think with some of

769
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.360
the kids, it's like I'm dealing with an attorney instead

770
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:04.199
of my child.

771
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.159
Well, yeah, they're very they're they're they're able certainly to

772
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.679
advocate for what they want and what they believe.

773
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At the same time, you know, we have a responsibility

774
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.840
as parents to be able to help guide our children toward,

775
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.280
you know, things that they are not old enough and

776
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.360
mature enough perhaps to see in the way the world works.

777
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.360
Although in a marriage you're talking about a very different situation.

778
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:33.679
You're talking about two equals, and generally, hopefully two people

779
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.039
who love the Lord and are seeking God. Because I

780
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.000
know that God really wants us to be in unity

781
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.199
other and with him, and and he is so faithful

782
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to that if we can just get out of his

783
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way when we're in conflict. When we have differences, he

784
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.000
will help us find a way to be to be

785
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.159
on the same page with each other and with him.

786
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.800
He's pretty faithful about that.

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Well, doctor about we have a little bit more time.

859
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I want to continue this. I like what's happening here.

860
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In terms of information because it's important you know that

861
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our audience hear this, because we know what's happening with

862
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marriage today. Well, it's been from day one since the garden,

863
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.480
marriages have been under attack, right, And all that's happened

864
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since then is, you know, the devil has become more

865
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:34.079
effective and we've become less effective in fighting off the

866
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.400
things that happened that started back in the garden.

867
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:36.679
Right.

868
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.800
Absolutely, you know there's a lot of things that have

869
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.039
infiltrated our culture and infiltrated even the Church, that set

870
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.039
people up to fail. Matter of fact, doctor Greg Swally

871
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.000
and I wrote a book a few years ago called

872
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.519
Nine Lies that Will Destroy Your Marriage and the subtitles

873
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and the Truth that will Save it and set it free,

874
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.519
because you know, we spend a tremendous amount of time

875
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.800
in our pro unraveling these things that have just ideas

876
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.800
that have just infiltrated the church and set people up,

877
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.119
good meaning, well meaning people, and the ideas are coming

878
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.400
from well meeting people almost always, but set us up

879
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.239
to fail and struggle, and we're playing right in the

880
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.679
enemy's hands. And just absolutely hate seeing that and want

881
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.440
to do everything possible to alert especially our brothers and

882
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.119
sisters in Christ, that, hey, we serve a God that

883
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.480
wants us to be successful. He wants us to thrive

884
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.599
so we can prove to the world what's possible with him.

885
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.039
So absolutely, yes, one hundred percent agree.

886
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.880
Doctor Bob prescription For those that are hearing this and

887
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.599
getting some encouragement and say, God, what's our first step?

888
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:47.400
What do we do?

889
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.599
I mean, we've been married for a number of years,

890
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.639
we have taken on some bad habits.

891
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.639
We're not being the blessing that we should be.

892
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.000
What do we do, you know, short of talking to

893
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.239
a divorce attorney, we've already talked to one.

894
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.400
You know, well, you know, if somebody is in crisis.

895
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.920
I mean, we have a program called Hope Restored, which

896
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.840
is an intensive counseling program. We work with people generally

897
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.920
for four days, and we have people that are coming

898
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.880
in terrible shape. Oftentimes they'd come with divorce papers and

899
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.199
they heard that miracles happen.

900
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.519
The only question they have to answer yes to for

901
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.360
us to work with.

902
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.599
Them is this, if God was to work a miracle

903
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.519
in your marriage, would you accept it? And as far

904
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.559
as we're concerned, the miracle could be the magnitude of

905
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.400
the Party of the Red Sea. The question is, if

906
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.480
God was to work a miracle, would you accept it.

907
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.000
Now it's a bit intimidating because people come often with

908
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.920
divorce papers drawn, and we start with them Monday morning

909
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.840
and we're done Thursday afternoon, and they're basically.

910
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.599
Saying, Okay, this is our last shot.

911
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.719
If we don't have a miracle by the end of

912
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.199
the day Thursday, we're signing the papers on Friday, No

913
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:59.800
no pressure. So what's amazing is you know, of all

914
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.840
the therapist that we have on this team, we have

915
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.360
great experienced therapists. None of us do miracles, but our

916
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.840
primary job bill is to help couple see the obstacles

917
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.320
that they have often inadvertently placed between themselves and the Lord.

918
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.239
And when they can see the obstacles, we help them

919
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.360
if they want, we help them figure out how to

920
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.880
remove the obstacles, because what we found is that when

921
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:25.800
God has access to an unhindered heart, he does not hesitate,

922
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:31.079
and we watch miracles occur at an astounding rate in

923
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.320
our program. So if people are in that condition, reach

924
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:36.519
out to us for help, we would be happy to

925
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.320
meet you. But if it's not that, at least reach

926
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.119
out to somebody for help, because the likelihood is you've

927
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.679
got things you're bumping into that you can't see, areas

928
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.320
you're tripping over that you don't realize why you keep tripping,

929
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.400
and somebody from the outside is more likely to be

930
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.920
able to help you see it than you can from

931
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.679
the inside.

932
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.519
What I've shared with people when they've asked me about

933
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.079
their particular situation is considering the cost of what you

934
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:11.920
are embarking on in terms of divorce and even on

935
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.960
the other side of divorce. What I hear constantly is

936
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.719
that people will say, you know, they get divorced and

937
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:24.000
they remarry, and they go, my god, I just married

938
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:24.559
my ex.

939
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:26.440
Yeah, here we go again.

940
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.280
Yeah, oh it's it's and you know, it's really interesting

941
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.559
to that point. I talk to people like myself who

942
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:39.800
come from a divorced family, and I asked them, you know,

943
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.760
many times their parents were toxic, and they were they

944
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.239
were thankful that their parents separated. But I asked them this,

945
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.800
I'll say, if your parents had actually really loved each other, well,

946
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.199
how would you have felt about that? Every single one

947
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.840
goes I would have loved that nobody. We never out

948
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.199
grow a desire to see our parents treat each other

949
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.599
well and love each other well. So, honestly, just know

950
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.239
that that wound. If you're facing that, the incentive to

951
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.679
find a way to make it work for the sake

952
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.199
of not just you and your spouse, but for your

953
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.960
children the generations to come is huge if there's any

954
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.800
way possible.

955
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.400
Right, we're talking to the vice president of Focus on

956
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.800
the Family's Marriage Institute, doctor Bob Paul.

957
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.599
Doctor Powell.

958
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.280
Yeah, the thing is is that when you're in that

959
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:39.679
situation and all that's expended, you know, the expense of divorce.

960
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.400
You know this idea that came up in the seventies, especially, Oh,

961
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.000
it was better for the kids that we divorce.

962
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.840
I mean, what a big life from the pit of hell.

963
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:50.639
Huh.

964
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.639
It's not only not it's not only not better for

965
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.280
the kids then. I mean, obviously, if you're at each

966
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.280
other and you're horrible toward each other and you won't

967
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.000
get past that, Yeah, there's in which it really does

968
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.559
hurt the kids. But there are ways, with God's health

969
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.159
that we can find a way to let him change

970
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.400
us and work together to create a relationship that's healthy.

971
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.599
And the cost to the family of the divorce is

972
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.639
going to be huge. And what I just heard the

973
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.760
other day is the cost to the taxpayer for every

974
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.000
single divorce is forty thousand dollars. I don't know how

975
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.920
they got those numbers, but forty thousand dollars to the

976
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.400
taxpayers of the world for every single divorce.

977
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.159
It's a heavy cost that we are paying.

978
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.079
Nationally and globally for this, and it is an international issue.

979
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.719
Yeah, when you look at it in that context and

980
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.440
an economical issue, the GDP consequence of each individual. I

981
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.199
always think sometimes because my brain goes into you know,

982
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.360
if we could measure you know, what is your contribution.

983
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.960
As an individual GDP wise, Well, let's face it.

984
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.480
You know, you have a child from a broken home.

985
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.159
He's carrying an anchor with them, or she's carrying an

986
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.519
anchor with her, And then what are the chances of

987
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.679
that individual reproducing what they experienced in their family to

988
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.280
the next family and the next set of kids that

989
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.920
come up generationally and a child operating at a less

990
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.159
than optimum because of this unfortunate circumstance.

991
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.119
Oh my gosh. And you know, I've watched a change

992
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.440
in my lifetime. When I was a young boy, just

993
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.360
starting off in school, coming from a divorced family because

994
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.400
my parents divorced when I was very young, I was

995
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.519
an oddball having divorced parents that I would go every

996
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.000
other weekend to see my father. Okay, nowadays you're more

997
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.199
of an odd ball if your parents are still together.

998
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.039
I've watched that change in one lifetime.

999
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.360
I've seen that change, and I don't.

1000
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.920
See that I don't see that the whole nation benefiting

1001
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.960
as a result of that.

1002
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:49.679
It seems to be quite the contrary.

1003
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.239
Yeah, it's lose, lose all the way around. And I

1004
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.760
think again, you know, I think we can all pray,

1005
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:01.320
and we all need to pray for Christian marriages so.

1006
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.360
That you know, we would.

1007
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.320
You know, that we would see it through God's eyes.

1008
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.800
And my prayer recently is that God would break our

1009
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.679
hearts the way his heart is broken on whatever issue

1010
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.760
we're talking about, whether it has to do with abortion

1011
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.360
or you know, family relationships, you know, go on and on,

1012
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.440
but that if we felt the Father's heart broken the

1013
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.440
way he looks down upon his creation, and we respond

1014
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.679
to that, then I think that we would experience a

1015
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.960
movement of repentance that would lead, you know, to a

1016
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.199
revival to us, a reconciling our thoughts, our minds, our

1017
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:43.079
actions with that of the Father.

1018
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:43.920
What do you think?

1019
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.400
I think that's I think that's so true. And I

1020
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.119
know one of the scriptures that we regularly quoted focus

1021
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.079
on the family is Hebrews thirteen four. Let marriage be

1022
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.920
honored by all. Yes, it's something that I think is

1023
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.039
close to God's heart because it's the fabric of our

1024
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.719
culture is going to be based around families, and you know,

1025
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.239
Like I said, it's interesting how internationally true this is

1026
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.239
because we have offices and focus on the family. We

1027
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.719
have offices around the world, and some of these offices

1028
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.280
are in nations that are not Christian. At the court

1029
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.320
sometimes they're you know, Christianity.

1030
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.039
Is not something that is.

1031
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.679
Seen as a positive, something that has to be kept quiet. However,

1032
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.280
it's interesting how many government officials in some of these

1033
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.320
countries come to focus on the family asking for help

1034
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.199
because we're focused on the family, and their families are

1035
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.039
struggling and they don't know what to do, and they're

1036
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.880
hoping maybe we know something that can help, because they

1037
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.920
all recognize that if their families are crumbling, the fabric

1038
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.199
of their culture is at risk as they're needing help.

1039
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.679
It's just a universal truth because God built this all

1040
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:00.320
and this is how we built it to work.

1041
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:01.239
Well.

1042
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:04.079
I mean to think about the history of Focus, you know,

1043
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.320
I was in southern California when Focus first came about,

1044
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.519
and what they have meant for the family, and how

1045
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.480
many marriages have been restored and children have been helped,

1046
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.760
and especially in a culture the kind of culture that

1047
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.079
we live today with social media and all these fiery darts,

1048
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.760
that's coming from the enemy. It's no wonder because here

1049
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.760
it is you have helped. It's got to be millions

1050
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.840
of people and some that you don't even know about

1051
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.639
through the radio ministry and other outlets in which you

1052
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.239
reach out and even in today's show. You know, again

1053
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.079
we're so grateful for the Ministry of Focus on the Family.

1054
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.599
I thank you for your efforts and you know, your

1055
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.239
wife and your team and everything that's involved with you know,

1056
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.079
the Focus on the Family Marriage Institute.

1057
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:54.679
You know, God bless you.

1058
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.760
And I say this because you bring so much to

1059
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.360
bear your experience and examples of saved marriages. I mean

1060
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.880
the fact that people come to these these retreats, these

1061
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.079
four day retreats, and they have divorce papers in their hand.

1062
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.480
I think the good sign is at least they're coming

1063
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.599
to the coming for counseling out, giving it one last shot.

1064
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.599
Right absolutely, Well, that's what makes them different.

1065
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.000
The average couple just throwing the towel and they're fighting

1066
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.679
for the relationship with that sets them apart right there.

1067
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.599
Yeah, Well, we got to leave it as it sits now,

1068
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.280
and again, thank you for the extra time.

1069
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:31.440
I appreciate it.

1070
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.400
Doctor Bob how the vice president of the Focus on

1071
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.039
the Family Marriage Institute. If people need some help, you've

1072
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.559
got a helping hand. Where do they go?

1073
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.280
They go to Well if they need If they need

1074
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.360
counseling help, they go to Hope Restore dot com, which

1075
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.199
is the crisis counseling program. But if they just want

1076
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:52.519
general help, Focus on the Family dot Com is the website,

1077
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.639
and you go into the marriage area and there is

1078
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:56.920
a wealth of resources available to you.

1079
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.000
Doctor Bob, you're awesome. God bless you. Appreciate you.

1080
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.800
Thank you, Bill, take care here.

1081
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:02.440
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Bill Martinez Live.

1102
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Hey, good morning, welcome, good to have you with us.

1103
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.960
Six minutes after the top of the hour. Right now,

1104
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.920
I'm Bill Martinez, and Human Callilli is joining us to

1105
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:23.599
tell us.

1106
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His incredible story.

1107
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.679
I guess the headline we could say, human is If

1108
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:32.639
Iran's walls can't speed, your murals are doing it for them, right.

1109
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.320
Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Bill, It's

1110
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:36.519
a real honor to be here.

1111
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:37.360
Yeah.

1112
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.400
So, I'm the only artist in the world asked by

1113
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.199
the State of Israel to make murals in support of

1114
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.840
the women of Iran who've been fighting for their freedom

1115
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.960
since September of twenty twenty two. My murals inspire the

1116
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.079
women of Iran to keep fighting. They showed the world

1117
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.480
that Israel is the only country in the Middle East

1118
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.920
standing with the freedom fighting women of Iran, and it

1119
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.360
reminds the world that there's a biblical relationship between the

1120
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:03.480
Persians and the Jews.

1121
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:04.280
Exactly.

1122
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:06.960
My murals are covered with Bible verses.

1123
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:07.719
Wow.

1124
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.719
Well, let's go back a little bit and talk about

1125
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:16.239
what you did after Hamas attacked Israel on that the

1126
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.119
infamous period of time was this kind of the entree

1127
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:24.679
into these murals and your appeal and connection with Israel

1128
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.440
and with Iran.

1129
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:31.079
So October seventh was a very significant time for the murals.

1130
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:34.199
At that point, I had finished seven Woman in Life

1131
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.800
Freedom Murals. Because a couple of people were praying over

1132
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.679
me and prophetically the number eighteen was born. Now to

1133
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.760
US Americans, you know, eighteen doesn't really mean anything. That

1134
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.159
means you can go to war. But for the Jews,

1135
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:54.320
it means life, you know. And so October seventh happens.

1136
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.400
I called the state of Israel and I said, is

1137
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.239
everyone okay? You know, I live in California. I don't

1138
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.280
know what's happening. And they said, we're in terrible shape,

1139
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.639
thank you for calling, and no more murals. And so

1140
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.559
then I waited a month. I waited till November seventh,

1141
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.360
and once again I called and I said, hey, just

1142
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.280
checking in how's that? And they're like, we're still horrible,

1143
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.119
We're still in disarray, and we just want to remind

1144
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.800
you no more murals. And I remember going to church

1145
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.320
and saying, God, what do I do? What do you

1146
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.760
want me to do? Here? I guess it's seven, I

1147
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.880
guess it's not eighteen. And I audibly heard the Lord say, Whoman,

1148
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.559
who are you gonna listen to me? Or man? Me

1149
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.280
or man? And I said, okay, So I just jumped

1150
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.559
on a plane. I showed up to you. I was

1151
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.159
literally the only one on the plane going to Israel.

1152
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.719
I was the only one at the airport. I was

1153
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:49.599
the only one at the hotel, and I was the

1154
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.320
only one to walk in in the streets. I messaged.

1155
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.440
I messaged the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I said, I

1156
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.159
know you said don't show up, but I'm here and

1157
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:04.159
I have a new disag And so after four days

1158
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.639
of no contact, they finally wrote me back and said,

1159
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.360
send us the design. I send the design. Two of

1160
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.039
the women that were killed on October seventh were Persian Jews. Now,

1161
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.920
of the fifteen million Jews in the world, five hundred

1162
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:23.360
thousand of them are Iranian Jews. Persian Jews, and so

1163
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.360
I sent it to them. I had the Persian Jew

1164
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:30.880
her name is Sharel Himpoor, next to Massa Amini, and

1165
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.119
they saw it and they said, we love it. Please,

1166
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.599
let's put it up. And they finally gave me the

1167
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:41.639
most prominent place in all of Jerusalem, which I think

1168
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:45.480
is the Museum of Tolerance in the city center of Jerusalem.

1169
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.039
And that goes to show, you know, obedience, If you

1170
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.880
can be obedient in a crisis situation, the Lord honors that.

1171
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.800
Yeah, he honors, he protects it.

1172
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.320
And of course you honor him in doing that and

1173
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.360
telling the story that because we sometimes get in those situations,

1174
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.039
because you got to know, if God calls you to

1175
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.239
do something, there's gonna be immediate resistance, right you think

1176
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:12.559
we should know this by.

1177
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.519
Now, yes, yeah, yeah, no, you're exactly right. I remember

1178
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.679
the first time I put the Bible verses on the murals,

1179
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.480
because the first four didn't have Bible verses, and I

1180
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.320
put the first one a Bible verse, and I put

1181
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.159
Jeremiah forty nine thirty eight, a verse that virtually no

1182
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.960
pastor will ever preach on. Over and over, there's this

1183
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.159
theme in the Bible. God says I'm gonna put my

1184
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.440
throne in Israel. Im I put my throne in Jerusalem,

1185
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.840
and put my throne in Zion. And then Jeremi four

1186
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:41.280
nine thirty says, I will set my throne in Elam

1187
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.840
and destroy her king and officials. And you and I

1188
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.199
both know Elam is the ancient name of Iran, right,

1189
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.800
And when I put that up, I just felt like, oh,

1190
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.559
man is Am, I is this gonna get destroyed? And

1191
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.880
it stayed. And then every mural from that one onward,

1192
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.840
from number five i've in Israel on where it all

1193
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.039
had Bible verses on them.

1194
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.039
Human let's let's talk about, you know, how how did

1195
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.119
the whole concept of these murals come about?

1196
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.320
So that's really that's really interesting. I you know, I

1197
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.719
live in California, and during the pandemic, my state became insane,

1198
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.239
and I live in the San Francisco Bay area, so it, yeah,

1199
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.800
it became doubly insane exactly. And there was, you know,

1200
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:30.119
the crime in San Francisco skyrocketed, home breakings and certain

1201
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.199
part of the cities went up seventy five percent. Nothing

1202
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.880
was open, no church, virtually, no church had the courage

1203
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.800
to open up the church. A church I had been

1204
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.840
going to for eleven years would not open its doors.

1205
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.079
And I was as lost and confused as everyone else.

1206
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:49.599
And I also did not get the COVID shot, and

1207
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.800
so I lost He lost even more friends for that

1208
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inane and like you never asked about the flu shot,

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00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:59.199
you never asked about measles mumps rebella. This is the one,

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00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.599
this is the one that's going to destroy our friendship.

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01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.239
So I was confused. And all of a sudden, this

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01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.320
woman who no one had ever heard of, named Massamini,

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01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.039
a poor Kurdish Iranian woman from a poor Kurdish village

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01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.840
in Iran, gets murdered because she showed too much of

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01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.519
her hair. Now, just to put this in context, hundreds,

1216
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if not thousands of women over the last forty years

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01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.039
have been killed for the same thing. There was never

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a woman led revolution after that. So all of a sudden,

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I sudden getting calls from all around the country saying,

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you used to be on the radio. You have to

1221
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do something. I'm like, what do you want me to do?

1222
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.360
There's nothing going on here. I'm as lost and reviews

1223
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.320
and they said, you got to put up a mural.

1224
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:46.159
Now I make films. I'm a movie maker that I

1225
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.719
don't really do that, but anyway, I called the art commissioner.

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01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.800
The ark commissioner basically said, I get to pick the wall,

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I get to pick the artist, I get to pick

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the design. I said, lady, you do everything. I'll do nothing.

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01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.360
I met with the artist. As soon as the mural

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01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.800
went up, we took a picture. That picture went viral.

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01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.239
A reporter named Emily Schrader in Israel saw it. She

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tagged the Vice Mayor of Jerusalem, a woman named Flora Hassen.

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And then they wrote me and said, we want woman

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life freedom murals in Israel. And I said, how do

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we do this? Well, in the Holy Land, we don't

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do anything over zoom, so you have to jump on

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01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.559
a plane. Next thing. Three days later, I'm sitting in

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01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.679
Flora's office. I said, do you have a wall? She

1239
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:33.639
said no. I said do you have an artist I

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01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.320
can collaborate with? She said no. I said, am I

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01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:41.360
paying for this? She said yes, so no, and behold,

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01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:44.519
by the grace of God. Twenty six days later, the

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01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.000
first woman Life Freedom mural goes up in the Holy Land,

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01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.119
and on January ninth, twenty twenty three. By the way,

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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.039
I was number forty five or fiftieth mural in the world.

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01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:59.480
I wasn't in the top ten. The whole world saw

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01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.960
that Israel is the only country in the Middle East

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01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.960
that will allow a mural with a woman's hair showing.

1249
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.920
To this day, I have tried to get a mural

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01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:15.800
up in Afghanistan, Katar, Yemen, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria.

1251
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:19.280
They've all said absolutely not, you will never be able

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01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.440
to put up a mural here with a woman's hair showing.

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01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:25.880
But Israel eighteen times, actually nineteen times, has said yes

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01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:27.719
to the woman life freedom murals.

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01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:28.519
Wow.

1256
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:32.960
So the woman life freedom murals. Okay, So this.

1257
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:38.559
Develops out of this initial development. Here you are, you're

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01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:42.719
making movies. Now you're in the mural business. So it's like,

1259
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:43.960
oyve all right.

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01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:48.079
Well, it's interesting because when this opportunity presented itself, I

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01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.719
went and looked at what's considered the top one thousand

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01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.960
murals of the world, and in my mind, you know,

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01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:55.679
you know, I try to be as humble as everyone else,

1264
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.639
but I'm like, I can do something better than ninety

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01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.320
percent of these. When I make a mural, I don't

1266
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.639
do it in a traditional sense, we've all seen a

1267
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.719
million butterfly murals. We've seen ultimatly sunset murals.

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01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:08.719
Hom on real quick.

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We got to go to break. We'll pick it out

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Hey, we're back with you.

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We're talking women life freedom murals with You're the creator, right,

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01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.520
you are the man who am on Khalili, a man

1368
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.079
on a mission to put women life freedom on walls

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01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.159
and in the conscious not only of America. But i'd say,

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01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.880
I mean you are touching the planet human.

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01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:42.479
Oh thank you for saying that. Yeah, you know these

1372
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:46.479
murals when I design them. And there's a couple of

1373
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.159
things that happened. One, I get messages from all around

1374
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:53.279
the world that say, I used to hate Israel. I

1375
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.439
used to hate the Jewish people. Now I love Israel

1376
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.960
and I love the Jewish people. That's my sister up

1377
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.000
there on that wall, that's my cousin, that's my mom,

1378
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.479
that's our neighbor. And so that's one of the themes.

1379
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.560
I even get messages from airb women saying, we cannot

1380
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.840
believe there's a mural with a woman's hair showing. But two,

1381
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.000
I you know, it takes so much courage for a

1382
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.600
woman to show her hair in Iran. It it takes

1383
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.239
an insane amount of courage. And so I want these women,

1384
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.640
like to hear your modern day superheroes. I want these

1385
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:31.439
women to be remembered. I want them to not be forgotten.

1386
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:33.520
And not only do I want them to be remembered,

1387
01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:35.520
I want them to be remembered in the Holy Land.

1388
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.520
Yeah, and what do they do for everybody else?

1389
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.199
I mean, yes, we're talking about the female gender, but

1390
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:45.560
this has to have an impact on all people, regardless

1391
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:46.479
of your gender, right.

1392
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:50.640
Yeah, So, like I said, this is the first woman

1393
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.720
led revolution. It started with the women. It started with

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01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.279
the women rising up, and slowly, slowly the men started

1395
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:01.159
joining in. Now, as you saw on g Nuary eighth, ninth,

1396
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.039
and tenth of twenty twenty six, just a couple months ago,

1397
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.960
fifty thousand Iranians were slaughtered in the streets. And one

1398
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.520
thing that your audience needs to remember is in Iran,

1399
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:18.039
only the bad guys have guns. And i'd personally like,

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01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.399
I'm not specifically a gun person. I believe in the

1401
01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:22.960
Second Amendment. I believe people have the right to defend themselves.

1402
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.079
But I just want you to know this is not

1403
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:29.760
a fair even surface, this is not a fair playing field.

1404
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.039
If you want this to be a fair playing field,

1405
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:35.119
give them ninety million people who don't have guns a

1406
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.880
gun and let's see if the two million people can

1407
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.079
hold them down. I don't think they will. And you

1408
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:47.399
know they're targeting young, beautiful, intelligent Iranians. And the worst

1409
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.319
part is especially one thing that the Western media is

1410
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:53.680
not reporting is the Islamic regime is bringing in the

1411
01:10:53.720 --> 01:11:01.840
worst mercenaries from Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria to kill the Persian people.

1412
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:05.600
And they're giving them machine guns to slaughter their own people,

1413
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.880
and they're doing it. They're coming in by the hundreds,

1414
01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:13.000
if not thousands, and so it's getting worse. And so

1415
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:18.319
I'm hopeful that somehow, some way, our president, President Trump

1416
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.760
will will destroy them root and stem.

1417
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.039
Well it has to be that way, doesn't it. I

1418
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:26.720
mean this is a you know, we've said this is

1419
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:31.760
a death cult. Death cults go, they they die, they

1420
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.000
fight to their last breath.

1421
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:35.880
They're not going to drop their guns. They're not going

1422
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:37.039
to drop their weapons.

1423
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:40.159
I mean, right now, okay, we got a little uh

1424
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:43.640
you know, uh, I don't know, a break in activity,

1425
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.600
call it what you want to call it. Uh, But

1426
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:51.640
but I don't think it's gonna be sustained because they're

1427
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:54.039
they're really not interested. They're just looking to buy some

1428
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.359
time right now. I mean, this is this has been

1429
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.039
their their tradition and their mindset, hasn't it.

1430
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.359
Yeah, it sure has. And every time anybody says we

1431
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:06.119
got to go back to negotiations, I just want to

1432
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:11.960
remind everyone once the uh, if the Islamic regime becomes

1433
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.720
in charge of the whole world, after they kill all

1434
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.159
the Jews, they're gonna kill all the Christians. And after

1435
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.640
they kill all the Christians. They're gonna kill all the Sunnis,

1436
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.800
just so you know. They want the whole world to burn.

1437
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:26.439
This is their mindset. You know, in the Bible there's

1438
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:31.720
only two demons mentioned by name, only two, Lucifer and

1439
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:33.319
the Prince.

1440
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.840
Of Persia exactly.

1441
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:39.039
Okay, Well, that entity, whatever it is, whatever you think

1442
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:42.640
it is, it's powerful, and it is alive, and it

1443
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:45.880
is thriving. You know, Michael says, this thing held me

1444
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.680
up for three weeks, which doesn't mean, like you know,

1445
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:53.039
Michael is able to destroy it. Maybe Michael injured it,

1446
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.840
but it's had quite a while to recover, and so

1447
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.560
the tentacles of the Prince of Persia are making its

1448
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:04.159
way to America. I hope we collectively understand that in

1449
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:10.359
this moment, our battle is with powers and principalities exactly,

1450
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:14.359
and demonic ones at the at the most.

1451
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.600
Well, and like you say, we're and we're told, you

1452
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.319
know quite clearly in the Bible that our battle is

1453
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.920
not again flesh and blood, but it's the principalities and

1454
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.319
the power of the dark world that control this plane

1455
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.880
right now and in the time being. But we know

1456
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:32.760
how this ends, I mean, because there will be that

1457
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.119
final day when all this will be resolved. But till then,

1458
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.760
you know, we must continue to fight the good fight

1459
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:39.640
of faith, right.

1460
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.479
Right, And I will tell you, as in an Iranian American,

1461
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.279
someone who was born in Iran, someone who was born Muslim.

1462
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:53.279
You know, watching this play out is so difficult. Every day,

1463
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.800
every single one of US, Iranian Americans and Iranians all

1464
01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:01.399
around the world are looking at hundreds of young, beautiful

1465
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.039
children who could actually contribute to the world in a

1466
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:08.239
significant way, all being hung and executed.

1467
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:08.840
Right.

1468
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.199
And so I know for a lot of Americans you

1469
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.600
hear them talking about gas prices and the economy, but

1470
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:19.720
you have to understand, if the Islamic regime is not

1471
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:24.359
wiped out today, your children and your grandchildren will suffer

1472
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.680
at a level you cannot imagine, because they are going

1473
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.199
to come so much stronger and so much more robust.

1474
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.840
And you know, in this sense, Donald Trump is one

1475
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.279
hundred percent and answer to prayer, because he's the only

1476
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:39.640
one that seems to get it.

1477
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.680
Yeah, why is it that so many of the American

1478
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.159
people and the media do these just say Trump so

1479
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.399
much that they can't even reason.

1480
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:51.000
You know, it's so funny. I saw a meme today

1481
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:54.760
and it said that the top Trump cures cancer, and

1482
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:58.399
then a blow everyone is protesting, saying cancer has a

1483
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:01.640
right to live. You know, I want I want cancer

1484
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:04.960
to be around and and so I I really do

1485
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.960
think this Trumped arrangement syndrome is is just it's out

1486
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:13.520
of control. It doesn't matter what Donald Trump does. Everyone

1487
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.399
has been conditioned to hate it and hate him. This

1488
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:20.359
whole idea of Trump, you know, bringing peace to six

1489
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.359
wars around the world like that should be celebrated. No

1490
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:26.520
other leader in modern history has done that, No one

1491
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.680
exactly close like you know, I know he cares about

1492
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.760
the uh, the Nobel Peace Prize. You they should absolutely

1493
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.479
give it to him just for those six wars. That

1494
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:40.800
is unprecedented. And it's funny when you talk to chat

1495
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.960
GPT or whatever and you ask it straight up, hey,

1496
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:47.880
it has Trump stopped six wars? It will do everything

1497
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:49.960
it can to not answer that question.

1498
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:52.119
Correctly, exactly exactly.

1499
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:57.039
And so yes, the Trump arrangement syndrome is insane. You

1500
01:15:57.079 --> 01:15:59.560
and I both know if Joe Biden would have done

1501
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:02.760
this or Obama would have done this, everyone would be celebrating.

1502
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:07.000
But I will tell you this, the Persians, the Iranians

1503
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:11.359
have now become some of the greatest Americans in America. Like,

1504
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.000
we love this country. We ought all of our rallies.

1505
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.720
There are American flags everywhere. We are proud to call

1506
01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:21.039
ourselves Iranian Americans.

1507
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:21.800
That's great.

1508
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.359
Let me ask you a question, because you know you

1509
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.840
understand the culture much more than the rest of us.

1510
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.239
Why do you pick on women?

1511
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:33.279
Right?

1512
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:38.640
So there it is so in Sharia law and in Islam,

1513
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.359
a woman is one hundred percent a second class citizen.

1514
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:46.279
So in Iran, you know, a woman cannot divorce a man.

1515
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:50.439
A man can only divorce a woman. In the legal system,

1516
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:55.119
a woman's testimony is considered less than half of a man's,

1517
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:58.119
like a quarter of a man's testimony. So it's almost

1518
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.239
like you need to have four women saying the exact

1519
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.279
same thing just to equal one man's testimony. We all

1520
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:07.439
know a man can have four wives, you know, and

1521
01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:11.680
a woman can only have one husband. And often you know,

1522
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.600
in divorces, the man gets soul custody of the children.

1523
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:21.000
So it's this whole idea of suppressing and repressing women,

1524
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:22.439
not giving them a chance.

1525
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:22.640
You know.

1526
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.199
One of the interesting things about the Quran, I'm sure

1527
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:28.920
many people have not read it, and I'm not even

1528
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.760
recommending reading it. But it doesn't say a woman has

1529
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.560
to cover her hair. It says a woman has to

1530
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.680
cover her chest and dress modestly. So this whole idea,

1531
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:43.479
like you know, your hair, a woman's hair is often

1532
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:48.760
referred to in poetry and literature as her glory. Yes,

1533
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:53.239
you suppressed that hair, and you have suppressed the voice

1534
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:57.960
of that woman. You've suppressed her ability to think and

1535
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:01.680
imagine and grow in a way. You know, in the

1536
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:07.119
black community, often they will say the barbershop is their

1537
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.279
community club, it is their social club. And the reason

1538
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.600
is is because when someone starts touching your hair, what happens.

1539
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.720
You become vulnerable. You want to share your thoughts, you

1540
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.880
want to share your feelings. You're in this very safe space.

1541
01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.159
So this whole idea of suppressing everything from a woman,

1542
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:32.479
from her testimony, her ability to dream, her image, it's

1543
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:36.039
all in line with Islam. And that is the truth.

1544
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:39.159
And it doesn't matter what anyone else tells you. Look

1545
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:41.800
look at your eyes, look at this. You can see

1546
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:44.279
it right in front. I mean, the only place worse

1547
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:48.439
than and we're on right now is Afghanistan. Afghanistan you know,

1548
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.359
I think about the women of Afghanistan at a level

1549
01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:54.600
you cannot imagine. My heart breaks for them because the

1550
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.439
Afghan people are so beautiful.

1551
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.479
Right Can you imagine for twenty years they had freedom

1552
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.279
and all of a sudden the carpet was pulled out

1553
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:03.159
from underneath of them.

1554
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.720
Thank you very much, yeah, thank you very much.

1555
01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:11.119
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you did do that exactly well

1556
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:13.720
whom on Khalily, thank you so much for being with us.

1557
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:15.079
You got to stay in touch.

1558
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:17.479
I want to, you know, stay on top of all

1559
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:20.520
the things that you're doing here, because you know, this

1560
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.119
is a blessing on so many levels.

1561
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:24.119
It's not only not only for the.

1562
01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:26.199
Women, but I think I think the world at large

1563
01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.640
to understand that, you know, we are made in the

1564
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.359
image of God, and uh, you know, and there's something

1565
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:35.279
hugely significant when you understand.

1566
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.479
That, right right, And can I just give you one

1567
01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:41.079
more point before we so. I my goal right now

1568
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:44.000
is to cover Texas and woman life freedom murals, and

1569
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:48.560
I just posted one in Austin that says, under Sharia,

1570
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.920
the Islamic regime gouges out the eye of a woman

1571
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.800
if she shows her hair, and that you know, a

1572
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.479
lot of people said that's islamophobic, and I said, listen,

1573
01:19:57.560 --> 01:19:59.800
I was born Muslim. You can't call someone who was

1574
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:04.279
born and Muslim islamophobic. Me understand what Islam is. It's ridiculous,

1575
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:07.319
such a ridiculous word. There's no such thing as islamophobia.

1576
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:11.399
There's only Islama trauma. So if anyone in your audience

1577
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:15.319
likes what I'm doing wants to connect, I'm on Instagram,

1578
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.640
Human HUMANTV. I have my own website, Human dot tv.

1579
01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:22.880
You can just reach out to me directly. I would

1580
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:27.560
just love to connect with you. I'm going for Texas, Washington, DC,

1581
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:30.960
and Michigan and I would love to put a mural

1582
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:32.520
in Dearborn Michigan.

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01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.000
Awesome, you got it, pum On. Thank you so much,

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01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:36.920
God blessed, take care.

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Thanks.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Well, good morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez.

1655
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Here along with the professor himself, doctor Wilfrid Riley. Hey, well,

1656
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:49.479
how you doing.

1657
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:52.079
Doing pretty well? Doing pretty well? Glad to be on

1658
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the line.

1659
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:54.800
Hey, great to have you here. Can we talk a

1660
01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:56.520
little bit of basketball? Is that all right?

1661
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:57.720
Absolutely?

1662
01:24:57.800 --> 01:24:58.159
Yeah?

1663
01:24:58.359 --> 01:24:58.840
Good game?

1664
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:03.039
Huh yeah. I didn't watch all of it. I watched

1665
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:04.960
the second part, but I mean, I'm I went to

1666
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:06.920
a Big ten school. I went to Illinois, so I

1667
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:12.399
found myself cheering for Michigan. Illinois also made the Final four. Actually,

1668
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:15.279
so we had two of the four, the four squads

1669
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:15.960
that were there.

1670
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:18.520
Right exactly, We'll tell you.

1671
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:22.800
They just Michigan just looks so powerful and even in

1672
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.760
the semis, I mean they just destroyed Arizona. It was

1673
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:28.520
like they were in a whole another league altogether. And

1674
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:30.680
the way this team was put together, I mean these

1675
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.199
were all transports, right. So what does that say about

1676
01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:35.880
the future of college basketball?

1677
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.039
Yeah, well, I think a lot of people are actually

1678
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:41.880
wondering about the sport because of this. Now, I don't

1679
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:43.920
I don't personally have a problem with this at all.

1680
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:46.479
I mean, if you've ever known anyone who's played D one,

1681
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.880
like the coaches are on a carousel.

1682
01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:49.560
Eight right, exactly.

1683
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:53.119
Every four years, you lose a game, it's over people moving,

1684
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.520
you know, the house for sale signs on your lawn.

1685
01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:57.760
So the athletes now have a little bit of that

1686
01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.840
mobility as well, have the transfer portal. I mean, they're

1687
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:03.840
in practice, they're two or three changes you can make

1688
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:07.520
in your career. You know. It definitely does affect the

1689
01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:10.600
sense of loyalty people feel toward their squad if every

1690
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:14.239
couple of years there's a fifty percent turnover. But I

1691
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:16.239
don't have a moral problem with that. I don't. I

1692
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:18.720
don't have an issue with name, image, likeness. We're not

1693
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:22.279
even getting paid to play games. It's just if your

1694
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.079
image is used on a billboard by a local car dealer,

1695
01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:28.199
as they've been forever, or if you you know, one

1696
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.399
level up, you're you're in a video game or something,

1697
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.479
you're going to get a check from that. So it

1698
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.720
takes some getting used to. But I don't I'm a capitalist.

1699
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.920
I don't see any reason these young athletes shouldn't be

1700
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.399
compensated if you're the you know, the NC DOUAA, you know,

1701
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.239
title winning quarterback or something like that.

1702
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.159
Yeah, yeah, I think a little bit is this because

1703
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:47.479
it's we're in the transition of it. It's still a

1704
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.279
little new and fresh, but I believe it'll even its

1705
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:54.640
way out. And and I've been for protecting these athletes.

1706
01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:56.520
I mean they put a lot on the line. I

1707
01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:58.560
mean their careers. I mean here they are.

1708
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:02.920
They could have a a tough injury in their senior year,

1709
01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:06.000
junior year or whatever, and there goes their professional ambitions.

1710
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:06.279
Right.

1711
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:08.159
How many stories do you hear about that?

1712
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:10.920
Yeah, well that was that was one of the problems

1713
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:14.239
with the old NCAA model, where I mean in football

1714
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:17.000
or in practice in basketball. For most people, I mean,

1715
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:18.840
you're going to be there for a football it's a

1716
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.560
minimum of three year, it's usually four years, and you're

1717
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.479
going to be playing at a Triple A, basically a

1718
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.079
pro level of the game. So I mean I assume

1719
01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.239
most people's families father will get insurance on them or something.

1720
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:32.960
But if you break your leg, you know, or rip

1721
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:34.479
your hamstring, that that's it.

1722
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:34.640
You.

1723
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:36.560
All that money you would have made in the pros

1724
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:39.039
is gone. So what we're now saying is there is

1725
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:42.560
some compensation that's available for you, and I think eventually

1726
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:44.800
we're going to regulate that at the upper end, like

1727
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.880
Michigan just you have to make fun of them as

1728
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:48.319
a guy from the Alta. I mean, like they had

1729
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:50.920
a player is twenty six. I think some of the guys,

1730
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:53.520
guys that are out there with beards, you know, like

1731
01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.760
at a certain point you have to say, like I

1732
01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:57.920
don't know, if you're still a college athlete, like you

1733
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.000
have to lock it down at a certain number of

1734
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.159
years of eligibility. It's on. But you know, good for them,

1735
01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.920
and I don't. I don't have any huge problems with this. Nothing,

1736
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:06.680
nothing massive.

1737
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:07.319
Yeah.

1738
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:09.600
I remember in grade school, we're playing basketball and we

1739
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:13.960
went and played another Catholic school and we were shocked.

1740
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:16.279
I mean we were, you know, seventh eighth graders and

1741
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.800
we're playing these guys in their shaven and we're going,

1742
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:19.359
what's right?

1743
01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:20.479
You know, what's up with this?

1744
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:21.520
No?

1745
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.800
I mean the in the Catholic leagues, in the leagues

1746
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:26.279
that allowed transfers, it can get pretty silly. I mean

1747
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:28.720
in Chicago it's that way with baseball. Or you'll be

1748
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.319
standing there at the bat and you know the guy

1749
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:33.640
on the plate as a mustache. You know, we got

1750
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:36.680
a lot of players from the Dominican Republic, the North

1751
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:39.600
of Mexico, so on. In in those Chicago leagues, and

1752
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.119
I mean, you know that this is actually, to some

1753
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:44.640
extent a serious problem, and that we don't really track

1754
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:47.560
people from other nations unless we're very unfriendly with them.

1755
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:49.760
So if you come over and you say, well, I

1756
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.159
think I'm about fourteen, and you have a birth certificate

1757
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.159
that's in that range, you're going to be doing everything

1758
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:57.399
that someone of that age would be doing, Like you're

1759
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:58.880
going to be going to middle school, or you're going

1760
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:00.800
to be playing ball, you're going to be dating girls.

1761
01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:03.880
So I mean, hopefully there's some procedure in place to

1762
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.359
find out that you're not actually twenty two. A quick,

1763
01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:09.960
very quick story, but like there's a there's an orphanage

1764
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:14.159
actually in the city where I moved to from Chicago itself, Aurora.

1765
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:16.880
The orphanage is called Moose Heart. There are enough kids

1766
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:19.319
there that they play Illinois Double A Ball, which is

1767
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:23.199
a pretty good league. But we had questions about some

1768
01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:25.600
of these orphans when I went to Aurora East. I mean,

1769
01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:27.520
like one of them at one point was from Serbia,

1770
01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:31.039
one of them was from the South Sudan or something

1771
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:33.239
like that. So you'd get on the corn, you'd go

1772
01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:35.319
there to watch your buddies and there'd be this seven

1773
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:38.640
foot two, you know, Dinka tribesmen running up and down.

1774
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:41.680
And I mean I assume there's some kind of like

1775
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:45.000
the church that was affiliated with the Orphanage had a

1776
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.800
sister church over there or something, but I never noticed that.

1777
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:49.319
I mean, they never brought in any four to ten

1778
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:52.359
kids from China. It was always, you know, you're scouring

1779
01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:54.880
the Orphans and the Masonic Network or whatever, and this

1780
01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:55.239
is who.

1781
01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.800
You want to that's hysterical. Oh my gosh.

1782
01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.880
Well, you know, and and sports has been in quite

1783
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:04.560
an evolutionary process in these recent years, and now you

1784
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:07.800
even have the Olympics saying, okay, we're going to have

1785
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.239
men play in men's sports, women are going to play

1786
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:14.399
in women's sports. So they finally made that clarification, right.

1787
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:17.640
Yeah, and I think it's about time. I mean, if

1788
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:20.760
you talk to gay rights advocates, which I don't do

1789
01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:23.039
all that often, but I've seen them interviewed on television

1790
01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:24.880
and so on, I mean they'll say, well, they've only

1791
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:32.479
been two MTF transgender Olympians and only one of them

1792
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:34.520
is a champion. I believe those are the correct figures.

1793
01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:36.520
But at the same time, this has only been an

1794
01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:40.079
issue for probably two or three Olympic cycles. And I

1795
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:43.279
mean you're now getting that generation of kids coming out

1796
01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:46.279
of high school in college who've been told this for years.

1797
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.319
There's actually a site called he Cheated dot Com. I'll

1798
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:52.119
shout out to a friend's website, but where they have

1799
01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:54.279
they're actually a couple of there's he cheated dot Com. There's

1800
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:57.399
Boys Versus Women dot com. But they're breaking down the

1801
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:02.600
total number of high school and collegiate championships won by

1802
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:05.479
trans athletes, and it's in the thirty I mean it's

1803
01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:07.159
a large number, something.

1804
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:10.319
Like I think it was over like nine hundred awards,

1805
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:13.560
scholarships and everything that have been given to a trans

1806
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:19.000
individual at the expense of a woman athlete. And you know,

1807
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.279
and it's kind of interesting because this all is on

1808
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:22.560
the heels of Title nine.

1809
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:28.079
Will Yeah, no, that's correct. It's nine hundred sum pop prizes,

1810
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.359
slots on teams, varsity teams, Olympic slots that have been

1811
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.279
taken from women. The number of just full on total

1812
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:38.199
champions that are men that are winning these awards is

1813
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.680
it's in the dozens. And yeah, I mean the Title

1814
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:44.680
nine thing is actually an issue of legal interpretation where

1815
01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:50.880
the question is Title nine absolutely protects equality of athletics

1816
01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:54.000
and of other things. You can't sexually harass across men

1817
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:58.159
and women. The Supreme Court, and embarrassingly a fairly conservative

1818
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:02.399
Supreme Court, read that to mean that sexual orientation and

1819
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:06.560
gender identity are also protected. So you can't discriminate against

1820
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.119
someone who says they're trands who wants to play ball.

1821
01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:11.920
And what that means in practice is that the meaning

1822
01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:14.600
of Title nine has shifted because you originally you've got

1823
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:16.600
a men's team, Now you have to give the women's

1824
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.680
team ninety five percent. There's much money. I'm not an

1825
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:21.800
expert in the field of law, but most people kind

1826
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:25.279
of support that. But if you're basically if you're counting

1827
01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:29.680
woman to mean man, there is nothing independent that women

1828
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:31.479
still have. And I think this is one of the

1829
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:33.920
things that made turf feminists freak out so much about

1830
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:37.199
the trans movement. Once you make that interpretation, there's a

1831
01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:39.840
very good argument for letting trans women who are just

1832
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.800
guys into prisons, showers, so on.

1833
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:48.119
Right, And they've done that and it didn't fare well because,

1834
01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:52.039
oh my goodness, you know, the natural instincts of a

1835
01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.920
man takes sober even though he may say, you know,

1836
01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:56.840
I feel like a woman.

1837
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.319
Oh yeah, I mean I got for saying this on Twitter,

1838
01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:04.000
But I mean like going to a women's prison by

1839
01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:07.760
mistake is like a nineteen seventies Beach Blanket comedy movie.

1840
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:10.039
I mean, like, you know what's gonna happen. You know,

1841
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:12.239
there are these people that have been I assume by

1842
01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:14.800
their standing, sexually deprived for a long period of time.

1843
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:18.239
They're female criminals. You suddenly come in and I mean

1844
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:20.399
it would be like Burt Reynolds with a wig on it.

1845
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:23.720
There'd be some reason it happened. But in reality, we've

1846
01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:27.199
now been taking this from the zone of comedy plots

1847
01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:31.840
into all to real reality. I mean, there have been

1848
01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:36.079
again dozens of these trans inmates reducts. The magazine does

1849
01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:37.439
some good work on this, but that have gone to

1850
01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:40.680
women's jails and exactly what you'd expect has happened. There

1851
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:42.119
have been a few rapes, There's been a lot of

1852
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:45.319
consensual sex. There have been pregnancies people, one of them

1853
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:48.720
seduced to guard guards are of course also female. So

1854
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.479
and a part of this is what I call prison

1855
01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:56.640
on set gender dysphor you where people who've never previously

1856
01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:00.600
shown any interest in being trans gang shooter and so on.

1857
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.760
Suddenly you're talking in these high pitched voices and saying, well,

1858
01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.600
I've always been a girl, and you know you if

1859
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.560
you believe this idiocy, it makes perfect sense if you

1860
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:12.960
cling to the kind of more traditional model of how

1861
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.279
humans work. It's also obvious what's going on, but very different.

1862
01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:18.640
Right exactly, Well, we got to go to Quick Brank.

1863
01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:21.239
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Kentucky State University, the author of Taboo, Ten Facts you

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Can't Talk About and lives my liberal teacher taught me.

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Doctor Wilfrid Riley will be back with us right after this.

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Hey, we're back with you.

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Bill Martinez here with doctor Wilfrid Riley, the KSU Professor

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of Political Science. Well Will, it was quite a weekend,

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Easter weekend, lots to celebrate about. I woke up with

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the news that we found the airman, and I mean

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it's really I mean, the parallel is uncanny. You know, Friday,

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he ends up, he climbed up some seven thousand miles

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out there in this deserted place in Iran, seven thousand miles.

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He's injured and he hides in a cave and then

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he's able to be liberated on Easter Sunday.

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Yeah, it's an incredibly moving story. I mean, yeah, the

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religious parallel is there for anyone who's raised in the

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Western tradition. I mean, he goes down on Friday, there's

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a very good chance he's dead. The thing's an incredible story. Actually,

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he walked something like one hundred miles to get to

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a better location, which was in the sort of mountainous area.

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And yeah, he was in a cave. There were rocks

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and rubble by the door. He actually sent out the

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message God is good and then on Sunday he kind

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of saw his people coming to get him. It's actually

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very moving, and I mean the US Special Forces did

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an incredible job here. I mean they basically built a

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primitive but real airfield out there. They were flattening the ground.

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They came in with multiple planes. In all probability, the

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Iranian shot down some of the planes. We're saying that

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there was some kind of problem with them, but some

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of the planes were damaged. Some of the planes were

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blown up there so that the enemy couldn't look at

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their technology. We brought in more planes from where God

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only knows, and we got the guy on the plane

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that all the crews of the other aircraft were picked up,

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and yeah, they left. It was an incredible response and

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it actually it illustrates the power of the United States.

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Like the main thing holding us back is people within

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our own society that don't want American success. To some extent,

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there are no other countries in the world that could

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travel to Persia, to a major enemy state that's a

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step away from being a nuclear power, build an air base,

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fight the best people in the other side's army take

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everybody that came on, all these multiple crews to the

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air base, load them on board planes, and get out

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without anyone dying. So I mean, that's what America has

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the capacity to do and to be when not interfered

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with s. Yeah, it was an incredibly.

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Moving well and the demonstration of the team, the effectiveness

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of the military if you want to say the industrial

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complex however way you want to align it, but clearly

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Trump's military organization is just unbelievable, with you know, General

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Kine and of course Secretary of War Pete Heseth.

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No, they did an excellent job. I personally, I've enjoyed

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Hegseth in that job. He's very funny in sort of

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a more polished version of the way Trump is actually.

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But I mean I listened to his press conference on

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the Iranian navy. As part of the war, we destroyed

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Iran's entire navy. So if you go to the Wikipedia

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page on the Iranian navy, they all the numbers have

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been changed. I think we talked about this once, but

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it was originally like they had twenty six light frigates

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or something, and now it's zero. And Hexeth was talking

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about this, and he said, well, we are willing to

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share the ocean with the enemy, they can have the

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bottom half.

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I love that line.

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He's done a lot of reading of Churchill and Kipling

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and so on, you can tell. And he's got these

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stock phrases ready. He's a former soldier himself. He's a

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light bird colonel, so he's got all these tattoos and

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scars from the war. He's got the word for infidel

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in Arabic tattooed on his arm. So I mean, it's

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kind of the sort of guy you want as a

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general or as a sec def And there's a lot

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of hostility. I will say this last thing. There's a

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lot of hostility to that from people that kind of

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backed what he had before, which was, for example, Lloyd Austin,

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a decent military man, but very much in the tradition

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of sort of DEI focused bureaucratic. He came from the

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paper moving side of it, at least the last ten

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01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.600
years of his career. So I would assume the troops

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really like hag Seth. You have a guy back in

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there lifting weights with them, along with JD. Van's kind

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of giving rousing speeches before the battle, given a lobster

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tales if they have to go to war. So I

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enjoy that personally.

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Well, and I think that again, you get back to

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why you have you know, warriors, and warriors need to

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hold to that ethos and supported, you know, by the

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administration that says, yes, okay, look at we're gonna train you,

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We're gonna give you everything you need that when we

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put you on the battlefield, you're gonna go out there

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and destroy stuff. And we need you to go out

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01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.319
there and you know, pillage do everything you need to

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do legally, because what's happened is diplomacy has broken down,

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and we need to encourage diplomacy, and the best way

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01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.399
to do that is go out there and kick some

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01:43:25.479 --> 01:43:27.880
butt on the battlefield, right, I don't know any other way.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's correct. Because violence

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is generally thought of as bad in the context of

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01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:39.760
an argument with your wife or something like that. There's

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a tension in civilized societies with the idea that violence

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01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:48.319
against certain categories of people, of criminals, enemies, in war,

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even the large animals that can defend themselves, is very good.

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That's what war fighting is, that's what hunting is. So on.

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01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:58.039
So there tend to be two perspectives. One is what

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you just said ver Beta, which is the military exists

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01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:03.960
to kill people and break things. We should honor that role,

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01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:05.680
and we should put the people in place that are

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01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:08.359
best at it, and that then, of course can stop it,

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01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:10.680
meditate or prey, come back home, be normal. But you

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01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:13.159
want people that are enjoy that role. And that's the

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01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:16.119
view I take of the military. The other view is

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sort of that the military is an embarrassing holdover from

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01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.079
a past era and it ought to be judged by

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kind of the most scrupulous civil rules, and I don't

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01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:27.800
think that works, and you see a lot of that

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01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:32.800
in the High West. Other than America, Australia today is

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01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:38.359
pursuing war crimes investigations against their best soldier fought in

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01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:41.239
the War on tear with US charge two machine gun

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01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:44.760
nests with a knife, killed a number of people. But

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01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.960
they're asking things like did he refuse one surrender of

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01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.640
a Taliban fighter? We got this tip from the Taliban,

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01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:53.600
and I think maybe if the Taliban calls you and

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01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:56.439
starts criticizing your best sergeants, you just hang up the phone.

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01:44:56.640 --> 01:45:00.840
So there's a dispute in society about how to how

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01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:03.119
to handle these issues. And I'm on the Hagsath side.

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01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:05.319
I think I'm on the Trump side for that matter.

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01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:07.880
You know, I think that's saying, like we would have

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01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.119
preferred to avoid a war, but if there is a war,

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01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:12.279
we're going to fight a major opponent like Persia or

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01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.239
Russia with the intent of destroying them, winning the war,

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01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:17.279
killing People's that's the attitude you have to take into

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01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:18.319
a military conflict.

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01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:19.880
Yeah, without a doubt.

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01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:22.840
And the thing is is that, like you said, that

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01:45:23.079 --> 01:45:26.880
other option, We've tried that for forty seven years with Iran,

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01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:29.640
and Iran is saying, look at you know, we want

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01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:32.640
death to America. And so we've had presidents that have

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01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.640
kowtowed to it, send them billions of dollars. And what

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01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:38.239
did they do. They had a plan and a mission

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01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:40.920
to destroy America and to take over the world. They

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01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:44.560
took all that money and invested it in terrorist attacks

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01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:46.760
and in a terrorist organizations.

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01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:49.119
I mean to me, it's that obvious.

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01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:52.800
So so here you are and then we have, you know,

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01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:55.840
a group of people, even elected officials, because they hate Trump,

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01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:59.399
and I question, you know, their loyalty towards America itself.

2089
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:04.319
Are doing everything they can to you know, disparage our

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01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:09.239
military and even you know, declare that somehow it's illegal,

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01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:12.680
you know, and they say it without any kind of accountability.

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01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:16.960
Nobody questions illegal based on what I mean, that's already

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01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:20.560
been adjudicated. You know, they you know, raised that argument

2094
01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.760
up and you know, the court slammed it down. You know,

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01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:27.680
Trump has the capacity, and there's been other presidents before

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01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:30.239
that have done this and defended our interest.

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01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:34.279
Yeah, I think there's a lot there. So first of all, obviously,

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01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:37.119
I think the president does have the capability to commit

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01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:40.560
troops without a formal declaration of war. I mean that's

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01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:43.680
been done over and over and over again, and Clinton

2101
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:47.640
launched strikes into Somalia and Sudan with full air force crews.

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01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:50.159
Bush obviously started I would call it a war. I

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01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:52.640
mean it was the Iraq or went on for eight

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01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:55.159
plus years. So I mean, I think if we were

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01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:57.720
to find out now that presidents can't do this, that'd

2106
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:01.279
be in a heck of a change. But I think

2107
01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:04.760
that this is something that we see very broadly in general,

2108
01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:08.439
which is the misapplication on the left of these terms

2109
01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:13.239
like genocide, war crime, even sexual assault, racism to cover

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01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:16.920
almost everything. So I mean Trump said, and again there's

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01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.439
a question of you know, should Trump should someone take

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01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:22.279
his phone after eight pm daily? I think that's a

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01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:25.399
legitimate question. But Trump said, okay, if we're going to

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01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.680
talk about war plants, tomorrow is going to be bridge

2115
01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:30.439
and infrastructure day in Iran. We're going to target these

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01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:33.079
major power plants that are powering army bases and this

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01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:37.279
kind of thing. And people immediately started squalling. This is

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01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:41.800
a war crime because purely civilian infrastructure isn't supposed to

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01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:44.960
be targeted during a war. But the road that an

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01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:48.119
army's marching on, or the power plant that supplies an

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01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:52.840
IRGC base isn't purely civilian infrastructure. This again, like can

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01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:55.960
the president move troops, is something that would take a

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01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.079
couple of days maybe to resolve in court. It's not

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01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:02.399
a serious issue. The problem is what you said, which

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01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.960
is this block of people in the USA that don't

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01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.279
seem to much like the USA, that are going to

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01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.319
throw up all this chaff anytime someone tries to actually

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01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:15.560
do anything exactly. This is something foreign leaders are very

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01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:18.760
aware of. By the way, if you go to Hanoi,

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01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.800
Ho Chi Min's city in Vietnam. There's a display on

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01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:24.000
the war, and some of it's just interesting, the weapons

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01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:25.840
used by either side, so on. I've had multiple friends

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01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:28.159
look at this while they were there. But one part

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01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:31.279
that's irritated everyone I know and gotten some pictures taken

2135
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:34.640
of it is a discussion of the role the US

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01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:38.800
interior left played in the defeat of the USA or

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the negotiated sort of tie we had with the North Vietnamese.

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And I mean, you see pictures of people marching in

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the street and chanting in a Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh,

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01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:50.039
the title of the city, and so on, and it

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01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:54.760
at some level viscerally disgusting that foreign generals know this,

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01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:57.159
that there's something they can rely on when they fight

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01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.920
the USA, which is the fact that ten percent or

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01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:03.239
whatever of our own population dislikes the country. So a

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01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:05.000
bit of rambling there, but that's something that's gone on

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01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:07.720
for a while. I don't think it has much impact

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01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:09.640
on real law, but it has a lot of impact

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01:49:09.680 --> 01:49:11.159
on our actual strategy.

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01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:12.000
Yeah, without a doubt.

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And it influences votes, and we got a midterm coming up,

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and uh, you know, God only knows all the all

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the fake news and everything that's been put out there

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by the mainstream media. We got about a minute left.

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You mentioned with Heseth his awareness of Winston Churchill.

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Good movie out.

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Right now called a Great Awakening that involves Winston Churchill

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and uh and George Whitfield and the Great Awakening that

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led to the American Revolution. Uh and uh and how

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in a critical part in the movie is how Benjamin

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Franklin when uh, you know, the the colonists were right

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on the border of disassembling, right, and it was unraveling,

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and he says, hey, look at uh, maybe we should pray.

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I think that's always good advice. But yes, I mean,

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I think Hagseeth is very aware of the American military

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and historical tradition, and I think that's a good thing

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in a secretary of Defense. You know, over the next

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couple of days or weeks he'll get a you know,

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for good or ill more chance to use that knowledge.

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But I think you'll think you'll use it reasonably well

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and hopefully smoke a Churchillyan cigar. That would be my

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post Easter prediction.

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Well, you got it.

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Maybe we'll join him well even by Kris Doctor Wilfrid Riley,

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Professor of political Science at Kentucky State University, the author

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of Taboo t in fact you can't talk about and

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live's my liberal teacher taught me, doctor Wilfrid Riley.

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Thank you will appreciate it. Take care.

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Thanks Bill.

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