Feb. 25, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 02 25 26

The Bill Martinez Show 02 25 26
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Hey, six minutes after the top of the hour. Right now,
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Bill Martinez here, Hey, and we're Gosha. I'm excited to
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have Kenon speed Hack back, I mean chasing down for
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the last month or though it seems he's been on
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the road traveling. Everybody wants to hear from him because
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he's got his pulse on all things America. Kenan, welcome back.
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Good to have you with us.
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Thanks Bill, great to be back. Sorry for the delay.
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No, Hey, that's okay. You're always worth the wait. Kenan
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is the founder chairman of the SMI Group, LLC and
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international consulting firm Investment Bank, author of fiction and nonfiction books,
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and a frequent speaker and contributor to media including Rope
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Clear Politics, The American Mind, National Review, TV radio podcast.
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He's everywhere you know, Kenon. I was thinking in preparation
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for our conversation here is that most Americans consider free
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speech to be respectful and beneficial for all concerned. But
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what happens when free speech becomes toxic and deleterious to
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the greater good, or when adversarial sources disrespect our core
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founding values only to cause chaos and disruption.
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So what happens, you know, let me answer the question
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two ways. First, free speech means people can be toxic,
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they can say things that are deleterious to America. I mean,
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the core of American free speech is just that free speech.
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There are a few exceptions, and by the way, hate
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speech isn't one of those exceptions. The exception that's a
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bit like that is a speech that is imminently going
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to cause violence and does so. There's an exception for defamation.
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There're an exception for true state secrets. But we live
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in a society where we don't want the government telling
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us you can't say that because it's too toxic and hateful.
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On the other hand, speech is speech. Speech is not action.
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There is no First Amendment right to get in the
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face of an ice agent and to spit at him
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or to impede the work he's doing. There is no
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free speech to set a police car on fire or
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a private citizens car on fire. There is no free
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speech to demonstrate in a way that interferes in traffic
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or is unsafe or unfair. And one of the parts
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of free speech that's a little bit more limited than
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the others is the right to protest, because that's just
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not exercising free speech by you and me having a conversation,
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or by standing on the street corner and speaking into
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a megaphone. That's free speech. There's a tendency to interfere
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in the rights of others. That type of free speech
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is allowed only within reasonable restrictions. That's why cities can
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demand permits. That's why they can tell protesters to protest
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across the street in the park and not in the
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middle of the street. So I know my ANSWER's got
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a bit long, but I'm an absolutist when it comes
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to people's rights to say stupid things, false things, and
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toxic things. But I'm also an absolutist on the fact
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that free speech and actions or activities are just not
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the same.
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Well, I agree, but let's break it down. You know,
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at least the first part here of what you addressed
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in terms of free speech, I mean, because we are
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allowing that space for people to express their emotions, you know,
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at any level, including as you say, quote unquote hate speech.
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Then it really behooves we the people to be discerners
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of what is beneficial speech and how to manage that.
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Just because somebody says something that could be toxic, we
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don't have to drink it, do we.
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No, we don't. Now. There's a doctrine called the counter
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speech doctrine that originated in the early nineteen hundreds, and
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the basic notion is that the remedy for speech that's
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false or toxic is more free speech, so that you
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can correct the record. But we're living in a period
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right now, and I don't want to say, but I
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actually believe that's true full stop. We are, however, living
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in a period right now where foreign actors and foreign
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money and malign influences are intentionally using social media, whether
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it's TikTok, whether it's X, whatever it might be, to
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coordinate and communicate falsehoods. We saw a bit of that
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during the height of the Cold War, when the Soviet Union,
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using the tools that were then available, did much the
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same thing. And what we need today to understand is
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that speech we may think is originating with American activists,
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even far left, crazy radical activists, may not be. It
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may be originating in China, in Qatar, in other locations
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that don't have our rights of free speech but are
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abusing American rights of free speech to try to change
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the dialogue here.
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And unfortunately, you know, based on our First Amendment right
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and having a free and fair press, our press is
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checked out. And it's almost like they're compounding the problem.
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You know, we need a free and fair press to
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act as a filter, you know, for these outside agencies,
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because you have that dynamic coming in, You've got social
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media coming in kennon As. You know that it's just
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creating and adding to the chaos. And when you look
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at reports like from MRC for example, you know they're
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demonstrating based on their analysis that like ninety five percent
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of that which is reported in the mainstream media about
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Donald Trump is negative. How can that be? I mean,
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you know, you talk about the Cold War, the Soviet
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Union would have loved to have had that kind of press, right.
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Yeah. Ninety five percent of the guests on Colbert and
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Jimmy Kimmel are Democrats, are progressives, and I think it's
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actually less than five percent on Colbert were or have
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been Republicans. We have a free press, we don't have
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a fair press. We have free rights to broadcast, for
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the most part, what you want to broadcast, but we
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don't have fair broadcasters. ABC is the home of The View,
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an extremely far left talk show on every day. It's
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the home of the Jimmy Kimmel Show. Two hours a
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day of far left broadcasting. That may be free, it's
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not fair. So we do about that. I don't think
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what we do about it, though some conservatives do, is
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try to get the SEC to regulate these broadcasters and
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to force them to have more balanced programming. Again, I'm
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a First Amendment absolutist, but what we do need to
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do is we do need to do everything we can
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do one to stop the indoctrination of our youth in
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elementary school, junior high, and high school. That's not a
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free speech issue. That's an issue about ending DEI. That's
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an issue about not allowing school teacher unions to dictate
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the curriculum in our schools. There's nothing to do with
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free speech. There an indoctrination of our children in schools, faculties,
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and universities that have only one perspective. That's not a
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free speech issue. That's an issue of the way in
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which people have been recruited that placed ideological preferences above merit.
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So we need to make those changes. We need to
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stop what's happening in America, which is our children are
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growing up not understanding why America is so exceptional, not
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believing that America strives for there to be no racism,
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for there to be a color blind meritocracy. And America
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may not be perfect, but it is one of the
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most perfect. In striving for that goal. We fought a
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civil war and millions of people were killed or injured
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or dislocated in order to make America a better place.
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That's not being taught today in the schools. We need
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to correct that so that when adults listen to biased
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news media and bias social media, they have some ability
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to discern that which is real from that which is fake.
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And that's where we need to focus, not unlimiting free speech,
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but on educating the public to understand that free speech
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is being used for nefarious purposes.
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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with Kennan speed Back, the
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founder chairman of the SMI Group, LLC. He is a
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frequent speaker and contributor to media including Real Clear Politics,
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The American Mind, National Review, TV radio and podcasts. And
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we're honored to have Kenan with us. Kenan to just
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unwrap a little bit more and kind of summarize what
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get back. I've been saying this for a long time.
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We need to return to first principles and why education.
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Why did our founding fathers and those that came up
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