Feb. 24, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 02 24 26

The Bill Martinez Show 02 24 26
The Bill Martinez Show 02 24 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well glad you could join us America. Bill Martinez here

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with the American Minute, creator and speaker nationally renowned that

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he is the one and only Bill Fetterer. Mister Bill,

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how are we doing.

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Hey, great to be with you, Bill.

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Hey. Always good to have you here with us. Especially,

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I'm particularly interested in what you've been writing about in

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recounting history as it relates to Iran, Parts one, two,

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and three at the American Minute.

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Yeah, it's pretty fascinating when you go through from ancient

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history up to the present. So, the Persia used to

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be called Elam, and that was the name of Noah's

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grandson through Shem. So Noah had three sons, Chem, Ham

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and j fth and so Shem, out of which the

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Israel came. But Shem is also the father of Elim,

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and so Elim went down that same tigers Euphrates river

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valley and settled near the Persian Gulf. And so that

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is where Iran is. So the name originally was Ilam,

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then Persia, then Iran. Where we get this civilization that

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we have there today.

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Abraham fought a battle.

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Against the king of Elam Chado Lamar, remember when he

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had his three hundred men chasing after getting lot back,

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right exactly. But then the major empires in the world

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were Egypt and Assyria and Babylon. And then come along Elam.

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It grows and it conquers Babylon and conquers Assyria, and

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then you have Cyrus of Persia around five fifty BC,

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and it becomes the biggest empire in the world at

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the time, one hundred and twenty seven provinces. And so

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Cyrus tried invading into Greece and he browned them four

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ninety BC and he gets driven back. And we're familiar

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with the Battle of Marathon because the messengers came and

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gave the news of the victory, and they had to

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run twenty one some odd miles back from the city

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the Battle of Marathon to report the news, and so

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that gave birth to the race the Marathon. But his,

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excuse me, that was Darius. So after Cyrus, you have Darius,

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and it was Darius that invaded Greece in four ninety BC.

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And then Darius's son is Xerxes, and then for eighty BC,

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Xerxes invades Greece, wins a couple of battles, and then

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loses the famous Battle of Salamus. It was a naval battle,

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and so Xerxes is pretty bummed out and he goes

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back to Persia and he spends time with his Harem,

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and that's where we get the story of Esther and

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then Hayman and all the rest. But the Persia controlled

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the area that was Israel, all right, So Cyrus let

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the Jews go back and rebuild, and then Darius continued

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to allow them and they grew. But then Alexander the

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Great conquers and three thirty three BC right around then,

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he conquers Persia and he then dies shortly thereafter. He

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tried to meld the Greek culture with the Persian culture,

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and he had like three hundred of his officers marry

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Persian wives, and so this time you see this Greek

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culture coming into Persia. But Alexander the Great dies and

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his empire is divided into four, with a general Selucius

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taking Persia, and so it's called the Selucid Empire, and

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it's powerful.

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And one was it the most powerful of the four bill. Yeah,

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this Solucid Empire.

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Yeah, they had Ptolemies in Egypt, and so the Ptolemies

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they viewed Greek as superior to Egyptian. So for several

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centuries you had these Greek the Egyptian people, and they

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didn't even speak the language of the Egyptian people. The

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common people spoke Coptic, but Greek was the superior language,

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and that was all the way until Cleopatri. She was

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the last Ptolemic ruler and she had married.

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So for the Egyptians, it's almost like you know, deja

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vu one more time, but the roles reversed. Now instead

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of being the slaveholders, they are the slaves, right, as

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opposed to what they did with the Hebrews.

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Well, yeah, it's interesting because back in the Bible story,

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Joseph took all the land away from the people during

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this famine, right right, and it centralized power. Well, that

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power stayed centralized, so that it was passed down to

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where the pharaoh owned everything in Egypt and the people

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didn't have guns or weapons. Obviously they didn't have guns

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way back then, but they didn't have weapons, and so

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it was it was a top down system first century

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sort of like China with the emperor owning everything, but

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even more so in Egypt.

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But the history is fascinating.

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So Persia had the Seleucid Empire until one sixty seven BC.

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You have a general, a ruler.

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Of Seleucid Persia named Antiochus, the fourth Epiphanes, and he

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hated Jews, and he thought the Jews were wanting to rebel,

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and so he went in there and killed and pillaged

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and destroyed and desecrated the temple. And you had the

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Maccabee priestly family, and they started to grill a warfare

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and they drove the Seleucid Syrian slash Greek rulers out

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and it's called Hanukah where they had they rededicated the temple.

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And and so for one hundred years, Judea was its

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own nation again. And we sort of, you know, overlooked this,

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but it was not part of Persia, not part of Rome,

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not part of Greece.

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It was its own nation.

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Bill, let me ask you something here, because you brought

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up the Maccabees. And Jonathan Connor good friend said the

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other day that you know the concept of Hanika was

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not in the Bible, but originally it was in the

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Bible with the Book of Maccabee's. And what you're talking

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about is a portion of history that is documented in

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the Book of Maccabee's that has kind of gotten lost

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because it's not part of the traditional, the current tradition

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of sixty six books of the modern Bible. Right.

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Yeah, So when Martin Luther had the Reformation, I think

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there were like eighty books, you know, and then the

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Ethiopian Church has even more books. They have, you know,

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the Book of Enoch and different things. But the canon,

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which means rule or standard, decided on the six to

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six books. And how did they do that. They basically

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included the Old Testament books that Jesus and the Apostles

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personally referenced. So the attitude was if it was good

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enough for Jesus and the Apostles, it's good enough for us.

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So the Old.

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Testament books that Jesus and or the Apostles quoted from

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those are the ones in the Old Testament. Now the

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other ones, what's called apocrypha, they're allowed. They're considered good

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for history, but maybe there's some doctrinal things in there

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that are are not really clear. And so the decision

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was made to say, well, we're not going to have

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them be part of the canon, right, but there's you

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know interesting Yeah, I think sides on that.

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Yeah. I think it's fascinating and I've been doing some

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studying on it. That's why I bring that up, so

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I appreciate you addressing it.

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for Patriots, we're talking.

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With Bill Fetter, the American Minute creator and national speaker

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an author.

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Bill.

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Yeah, the again those books which you know, as you mentioned,

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they refer to as the apocrypha. We're still part of

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the you know, I guess, the accepted canon for many years,

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and it was only in the I guess, if you

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want to say the modern era, that the apocrypha, you know,

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over debate and that had been reduced. And of course

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when we talk about Martin Luther, we're talking what the

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eighteenth century.

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Right, we're talking fifteen fifteen.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sixteenth century.

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But you did have like fake news today. You had

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people writing things and attributing them to the apostles or

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somebody special. And so like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas,

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it's written by someone who knew nothing of Jewish life,

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and it's fill full of so many errors and inconsistencies

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that no scholar takes it serious. You know, little fancyful

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Harry Potter type stories that when Jesus was a kid,

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he made clay birds and claps and they flew away

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and raised the playmate from the dead. But it's written

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with obvious indications that the writer did not know what

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was going on in Israel at the time. And it

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would be like you writing a Childhood of Lincoln and

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describing him living in China.

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to read the Bible, but he heard these oral stories,

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and he heard some of those infancy gospel stories of

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Thomas included them in Islam. So now they take them

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as fact. That's a whole other interesting thing. So Persia got.

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or what.

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Israel was its own nation from around one sixty seven

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PC when they drove the Seleucids out, up until around

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sixty three BC, so for an entire century. Interestingly enough,

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they had a civil war between the Sadducees and Pharisees.

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and they sort of were embarrassed about their Jewish history,

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and they did not believe in miracles and the supernatural

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and angels in heaven and the resurrection. They were just

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political Jews, and they you know, wanted to go to

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the you know, the the bathhouses and stuff that.

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of you back from Persia, they had Ezra and he

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taught the law, and he started what's called the pharisee,

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which means the student of the law. So the word

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pharisee means student of the law. And but uh, they

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would add on traditions. And so that's what Jesus was

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critical of the Pharisees because they added on a little

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extra tradition here, extra tradition there. And he said, you

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make void the word of God by your extra traditions, right,

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And so Jesus criticized.

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believe in all the miracles and the supernatural. And Jesus

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criticized the Pharisees because they added on so many traditions

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they didn't recoonnie him. And we saw this division with

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the apostle Paul when he's first arrested and he's called

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for a hearing and the Roman governors there and Paul

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sees their saducees and Pharisees and he says, I'm a Pharisee.

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He says, I believe in the you know, angels, and

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the angel appeared to me and I believe that our

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prophecies are supernatural. And the Pharisees come to Paul's defense

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and says, well, yeah, maybe if he did see an angel.

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and the Romans rescue Paul. And but anyway, so the

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Sadducees and Pharisees got into a civil war.

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The Sadducees controlled Jerusalem.

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and so all the temple stuff was being carried on

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by this Sadducee group. Well, the Pharisees lived in the

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rural countryside and they had synagogues, which means meetinghouse. That's

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where everybody in town would come and do their business.

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And so they were sort of the decentralized ones. They

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were more of the wanting a smaller central government, so

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to speak. But it got into a war, so they

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killed thousands of each other. And so now sixty three

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BC you have Pompy, the Roman general, and he's conquering

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in Cappadocia near the Black Sea, and somebody brings him

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a message that there's a civil war going on in Judea,

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and he says.

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Great time to invade.

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So he comes in and sides with the Pharisees against

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the Sadducees and captures Jerusalem and you know, kills a

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bunch of the Sadducees and gets to the Temple mount

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and Pompey goes into the temple and he sees it,

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and he turns around and comes out and tells his men,

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don't touch this place. And so the Jews liked the Romans,

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and they liked Pompey for a while. But from that

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moment on, Judea was Roman province. And you know, gradually

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the Romans got more and more and more involved, till

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pretty soon they control the whole thing, right, And so

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the Romans were in a seventh century war with Persia

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seven hundred years and as time went on, now we

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had the Early Church and then you had pent the

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Day of Pentecost.

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So the Pentecost was, you know, before the Early Church.

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But on the Day of Pentecost, it lists the people

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that were there, uh and it says that the Parthian,

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Meads and Elamites were amongst all those different people that

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were there on the day of Pentecost. Well, Elamites, that's Persians.

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So there were some Persians there on the day of Pentecost.

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By the way, hearing and hearing the words of the

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apostles in their own language, right, Yeah, after the descent

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of the Holy Spirit.

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Yeah, the the miracle of the Holy Spirit descending, and

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then the apostles and disciples that were in the upper

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room filled with the Holy Spirit and they praise God.

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But you know, the people thought they were drunk, and

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Peters said, they're not drunk. But everybody heard them speaking

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praises to God in their own language. And well, another

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little trivia Persia. Daniel was a wise man, and the

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Persian word for wise men is magi. They were sort

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of like the court scholars, and they had their own

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schools and they would study prophecy. And so if he remember,

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Daniel studied the prophecies of Jeremiah and saw where Jeremiah

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said in seventy years the Jews will go back. And

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so he set himself to fast and pray. And then

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the Angel appears to him and says, well, from the

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moment you started praying, I was sent, but I was

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withstood by the prince of Persia, and this was Michael

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that was the prince of Israel. And so we're talking

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this sort of looks like this vigil battle going on

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in the heavenly Well.

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That's interesting here because here you've got the Sadducees that

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don't believe in angels, but yet Daniel's talking about an

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angel that is over the land contesting with the evil spirits.

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I mean, this had to just say. They probably just said,

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let's not even talk about it.

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Right, yeah. Yeah.

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So the thought is that Daniel was the head of

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these wise men, scholar advisors to the to the king

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in Persia, and that this school of studying prophecies and

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wisemen continued, and evidently a segment of them believe the scriptures.

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And they were the wise men. They said them, called

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them the three wise Men. They only say three because

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of the three gifts Gull Frankenston's merv But the Gospel

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doesn't actually give the number, but it says wise men

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from the east. But the thought is these wise men

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from the east were Persians. Yeah, all right, and so

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so the uh so that's interesting. So this war between

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Romans and the Persian goes on for seven centuries and

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bloody killings, and and then the Roman Empire becomes Christian

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it's still Zoroastrian and different type of religion. And so

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they beat each other up, and their major battles are

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in the six hundreds, and they they so decimate each

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Well, good, well, all right, so picking up here it

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our audience about that.

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00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.119
Right, And so the game that the Indian vassal state

483
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:26.640
sends over is chess, and the Persians figure out how

484
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.200
to play chess and figure out how the rules work.

485
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.759
And so the Persian Sasanian kingdom creates a game and

486
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:39.599
sends it over to the Indian vassal state called backgammon

487
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.480
and says, if you can figure this out, you don't

488
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.519
have to pay tribute anymore.

489
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.400
But if you don't, you're got to pay the tribute.

490
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.240
And they could not figure it out.

491
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.359
I had somebody try to explain how backgavin works, and

492
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.119
it is pretty confusing.

493
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.440
Well, I played it for many years.

494
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:57.519
It's a lot of fun.

495
00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:58.799
Yeah I did, yes.

496
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.720
So, but it's more complic kids than chess.

497
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.599
Right, Well, I don't think so. I really don't think so.

498
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.960
I mean, you know, you're rolling the dice and but no, no,

499
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.279
it's uh. I didn't think it was complicated, more complicated.

500
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.720
But it's interesting that the Persians figured out chess and

501
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:16.640
they had to do this on their own and then

502
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:21.039
give they give India what the backamon idea, But they

503
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.720
couldn't figure it out. So then you know, so now

504
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.079
now there their enslavement is secured, right.

505
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.880
Yeah, yeah, so so now the pressure's on. I'm gonna

506
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.319
have to have to figure out how to play your

507
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:36.880
back ammon. So so the Ssanian Kingdom. Uh is big

508
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.720
and powerful. China has a Tang dynasty and it's getting powerful,

509
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:47.240
and it decides to move its trade routes north of Persia,

510
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.880
the China Silk Road, the Gobi Desert, all the silk trade,

511
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.720
and so the Persians were not able to make money

512
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.400
like they used to. So now they're hurting, and that

513
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:05.160
contributes to the loss of the Persian Roman Wars that

514
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.000
I talked about going on for seven centuries that created

515
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.079
this power vacuum that into it came Islam. And so

516
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.599
Muhammed transitions from being a religious leader to a political

517
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.400
leader to a military leader. He fights in sixty six

518
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.000
battles and raids, killing three thousand people, and within five

519
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.759
years of his death, every pre existing culture in Arabia

520
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:28.319
is conquered. Within the next fifty years, the Muslims conquer Egypt,

521
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.279
which used to be Christian evangelized by Mark that wrote

522
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.400
the Gospel of Matthew Mark Luken John. They conquered North Africa,

523
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.480
They conquered Spain, held over seven hundred years, and then

524
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.000
they conquered Jerusalem in.

525
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:41.640
The year six thirty eight AD.

526
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.400
Khalif Umar and then you have Khalif Ab al Malik,

527
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.519
and he builds the Dome of the Rock sixto ninety one.

528
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:55.160
But now the Persians, excuse me. The Muslim Arabs are

529
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.480
invading Persia and six point thirty four AD. The Arab

530
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.759
forces are led by General Sad and Khalid ibanal Walid,

531
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.240
and k ibanal Walid was nicknamed the drawn sword of

532
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.680
Allah because he was undefeated in over one hundred battles,

533
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.240
and so this definitely was spread by the sword. And

534
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:26.440
so the Arab Muslim lure the Persians into the desert

535
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:32.440
where the Persian cavalry could not maneuver right the horses

536
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.960
and the camels, and it's one thing on land, but

537
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.880
on the sand and the shifting sand and the sand dunes.

538
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.880
And so the Persians lose the battles of Narmak and Coscar,

539
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.680
and now you have a big segment of the Persian

540
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:50.319
army is defeated, especially after the wars with the Romans,

541
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.920
and the Persians are a sitting duck, and the Muslim

542
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.480
army is charging toward Sessiphon, which was the capital of

543
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.519
Persia for eight hundred years, and the emperor is yas

544
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.720
de Guard the third and as the.

545
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.160
Muslim army is coming.

546
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.880
He sends him a message if it would be agreeable

547
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.319
to peace on the condition that the tigers should be

548
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.960
the boundary between you and us, so that whatever is

549
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:19.920
with us on the eastern side of the Tigris River

550
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:20.720
remains ours.

551
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.920
Whatever you've gained on the western side is yours.

552
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.279
And if this does not satisfy your land hunger, then

553
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.000
nothing would satisfy you. And General Sad responded that Muslims

554
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.759
were not hungry for land, they were fighting to convert

555
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.640
Persians to Islam. And so a Persian poet for Daosi

556
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:46.279
wrote a famous poem called Shaman Shaanamah, and it's the

557
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.119
longest poem ever written by one person, sixty thousand rhyming couplets,

558
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.039
and it's written in the Persian Farsi language, not in

559
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.000
the Arabic language, and so it's sort of a pushback.

560
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:03.119
But he's considered the most famous Persian Farsi poet. So

561
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.519
he writes a poem about this Muslim conquest. And he

562
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.119
has in the poem the Emperor yaz de Garde saying,

563
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.639
damn this faith. The uncivilized Arabs are come to make

564
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.239
me Muslim. And so, and that's what happened so just

565
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.800
like in Egypt, the Muslims came in and brought their

566
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:32.440
Arabic language, and the Sultan Hakim Uh, like we have

567
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:37.199
a Hakim Jeffreys, right, Hakim is Muslim name. Sultan Hakim

568
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.039
decided to cut out the tongues of everybody speaking Coptic

569
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.920
in Egypt and forced them to speak Arabic. And so

570
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.440
some towns had entire piles of tongues and they would

571
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.239
listen at the door and kick it in if they

572
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.280
heard somebody in the house speaking the Coptic Egyptian language

573
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.280
and cut out their tongues. So but in Persia they

574
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.960
brought in their Arabic. Now the common people still spoke Farsi,

575
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.159
but now the official language is Arabic.

576
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.000
And so you have.

577
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:18.760
The Muslims that now have taken over Persia, invading Pakistan

578
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:24.599
and Afghanistan and attacking the Punjab and the Sikhs and

579
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.199
the sin and all these different Indian people groups. And

580
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.440
so if then you have a melding of the Persian culture,

581
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:43.320
which was a superior culture, together with the Arab Muslim religion.

582
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:51.039
And this is called the Abasid Empire, and it's considered

583
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:57.079
the Islamic Golden age because you have Persian culture together

584
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.400
with this Islamic religion.

585
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.639
And so it elevated the Islamic religion, right.

586
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.880
Yeah, from a bunch of desert wanderers who couldn't read,

587
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:11.000
because Muhammad was a literate to these very Persians that

588
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.840
also had the Greek culture mixed in. And so you

589
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.519
had Persian scholars that were moderate and they were teaching,

590
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.039
maybe Paradise is not feel full of virgins, maybe it's

591
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.920
more spiritual. And then they would study medicine, in math

592
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.079
and science, and one of them was Alfarabi and another

593
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.679
was Avicenna, and another was a Verro's and they were

594
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.840
writing on math and astronomy and medicine. And if you

595
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.079
were to take a snapshot of the world, you would

596
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:47.480
have thought that this Persian Arab opposite empires about to

597
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.559
experience the Renaissance. But it all gets slapped down by

598
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.159
a guy named Ghazali, and he was a Mujahadeen renewer

599
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.119
of the faith, and he said, stop studying Greek stuff

600
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.239
because you'll get away from Islam.

601
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.119
Only study the Kuran.

602
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:08.960
And so Ghazzali shut down this Renaissance revival movement and

603
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:14.760
made Islam more fundamental, and so now the Bassed Golden

604
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.159
Age is beginning to slow down, but it finally gets

605
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:25.840
crushed by the Mongol invasion. So Mongols were a Central

606
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.639
Asia people group started over in Mongolia. But then they

607
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.119
had a little short horses and they'd have a rope

608
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.320
they tie around the horse with two loops hanging for

609
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.920
their big toes because they would drive barefoot. And then

610
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.519
they had composite bows where they could shoot over one

611
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:48.400
hundred yards while they're riding their horses, and they were unstoppable.

612
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:53.960
And so the Mongols came in and conquered this more

613
00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:02.400
moderate Persian culture. And if you remember, you know Disney

614
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:08.440
did the Aladdin's Lamp. Yes, that was Baghdad. That was

615
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.159
the Obbosiit Empire. That was this Islamic Golden Age. That

616
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.000
was the setting for that. But then the Mongols come

617
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:22.679
in and you have this one Mongol leader named Hulugu Khan.

618
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.559
He's the grandson of Genghis Khan. He conquers Baghdad and

619
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.079
almost slaughters everybody in the city. And there was this

620
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.960
Mongolian taboo that royal blood is not supposed to touch

621
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the ground.

622
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.679
So they take the last Obbosiit assault.

623
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And roll them up in a carpet and trample them

624
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.360
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If you're listening to a built fetter, you appreciate the

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visit here. He's the American, a creator, a national speaker

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and author, and we're recounting, you know, the history of Iran.

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I mean, so much focused on the Middle East and

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a lot of talk about what's going on in Iran

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right now. And Bill, I would just say from a

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historical point, I've been talking with you know, several spokespeople

704
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who are involved in the movement that's taking place in

705
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Iran right now and I've said that it's like they're

706
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experiencing their Patrick Henry moment. You know, you've got this

707
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ground swell, this organic movement that's happening in Iran right

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now that says, you know, give me liberty or give

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me death. I mean, they're absolutely fearless, and thousands of

710
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people have died at the hands of you know, of

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this current regime. But that's that's up to a current date.

712
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.599
But I think what was interesting in this previous segment

713
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:53.159
when you talked about how, you know, the announcement where

714
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you had a ran, you know, or the or the

715
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movement of the Muslim you know, coming into into Persia

716
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.480
making the announcement that you know, we're not interested in land,

717
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.679
we're essentially we're interested in souls, right, Yeah.

718
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:17.119
And one of the Mongol subgroups was the Turks, the

719
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.760
Oghuz Turks and then the Seljuke Turks, and they conquered

720
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.880
into what is today Turkey and then they set up

721
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.199
the Ottoman Empire Turks and that went on for seven centuries.

722
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:35.920
So fast forward, Iran has several different emperors after this.

723
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.199
You have the Safavid dynasty in Iran that switches from

724
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.639
Sunni to Shia and fifteen percent of Muslims are Shia,

725
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.119
they're in Iran, eighty five percent or Sunni, and they're

726
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:49.280
around the rest of the world.

727
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.360
And so they have a blood feud that goes back to.

728
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.960
Mohammad son in law Ali Shi Ali Ali means party

729
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.960
of Ali. His son Hussein Is is murdered by the Sunni,

730
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.039
and so the Shiad Ali's son is murdered by the Sunni,

731
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:11.519
and so they keep this hate alive.

732
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:17.679
It's like the Hatfields and the McCoy's. But the philosophical difference, though, Bill,

733
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.760
or the religious difference is what explain to our audience

734
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:21.800
Sunni and Shiah.

735
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.880
Yeah, so Ali was Mohammed's son in law and he's

736
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.199
a blood descendant of Mohammad, and so they claim that

737
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:34.639
they're the rightful errors and they rule. The Ali a

738
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.000
Tola is ahead of the Shiad. He's sort of like

739
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.719
the pope, and it's like what he says goes he's

740
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.480
a divine interpret Sunni is more like the Protestants. They're

741
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.000
there are more the local imams can decide, some of

742
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.199
them more and more modern, some of the more fundamental.

743
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.480
And they go back to Mohammad's father in law. So

744
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.400
Mohammed had lots of father in laws because he had

745
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.840
lots of wives. The six year old that he married

746
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.880
consummated at nine Ayisha. Her father is a boubacher, and

747
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.920
a boubacher fought alongside Mohammad in his battles, and so

748
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.960
he knew the way, and so the word for the

749
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.159
way is Sunni.

750
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.400
And so the killing.

751
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.880
Is the followers of the son in law fighting the

752
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.639
followers of the father in law.

753
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.480
Right and anyway.

754
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:28.320
But fast forward, so the Persians they fight the Russians

755
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:33.000
over land around the Caspian Sea, and then the British

756
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:38.760
send some Anthony and Robert Shirley to merchant brothers. They

757
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.840
go down and start trading with the Persians in the

758
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.880
sixteen hundreds a Boss the Great. And then you have

759
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.320
the Turks make a treaty with France against Spain. And

760
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.119
so now that the Turks are fighting, the Persians teamed

761
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:02.119
up with the French fighting England and Spain. And so

762
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.320
that Persia was for a while sided with Persia with

763
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.480
Spain and England. But the Shirley's eventually brought in the

764
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:14.159
British East India Company and all that, and so with

765
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:18.000
the help of that the Persians were able to defeat

766
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.880
the Turks and many battles, and then we fast forward

767
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:28.920
to the eighteen hundreds and oil. So Winston Churchill transitions

768
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.239
to the British Navy from coal to oil. But there's

769
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.000
no oil in England to speak of, and so in

770
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:39.760
nineteen oh eight Churchill helps form the Anglo Persian Oil.

771
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.199
Company called BP.

772
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:49.239
And then Germany industrializes and has little oil, and so

773
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:53.760
they make a treaty with Abdulham, the Second of Turkey,

774
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.440
and so World War One starts, and you got the

775
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.360
Germans sided with the Turks against the.

776
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.159
British with the Persians or Iranians.

777
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:06.159
And when the Germans lose, the Turks lose, and the

778
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:14.480
Ottoman Empire is divvied up into Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Elebanon.

779
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:15.079
SyRI and so forth.

780
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.760
But you have a secular leader takes over in Iran

781
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:29.920
named Raisa Shaw, and Raisa Shaw wants to secularize Iran.

782
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.960
Let women get educated, let them get jobs, let them

783
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.039
wear fashions and dress. And so now that the Ottoman

784
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.079
Empire is gone, you got out of Turks, secularizing Turkey,

785
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.360
getting rid of the Fezes and the Burkas as Mohammedism

786
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:44.920
is nothing more than Arab politics. May have suited tribes

787
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.239
in the deserts, no good for a modern progressive state.

788
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.800
And they're wearing business suits, and so you begin to

789
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.039
see that the Arab Muslim world is saying, hey, let's

790
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.840
be more modern, and let's move in the western direction,

791
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.559
and let's leave our fundamental stuff behind. And it was

792
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.559
going great until nineteen twenty eight the Muslim Brotherhood was

793
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:09.039
started and they start assassinating leaders that get to Western

794
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:14.239
They would infiltrate countries and new assassinations. So Raisa Shaw

795
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:20.840
is modernizing Iran, giving freedoms, and then you have World

796
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.400
War Two and Raisa Shaw does not drive out. The

797
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:29.280
Germans and Britain and the Soviet Union team up and

798
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:35.920
do a coup to overthrow Raisa Shaw. And then coming

799
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.880
to power is Mazdek. He's the Prime Minister and he's okay.

800
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.800
But then during the Cold War, Mazdek sides with the

801
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.639
Soviet Union and he's supported by the Tuda Communist Party

802
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.119
and what does he do. He nationalizes all the oil

803
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:56.920
in Iran, including BP's oil fields and the largest oil

804
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:57.960
refinery in the.

805
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.199
World that's BPS.

806
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.719
Britain is now having an oil shortage, and so they

807
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.559
appeal to Eisenhower for help, and Eisenhower has the CIA

808
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.440
do Operation Ajax, where we send agents over there to

809
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:19.599
create Kahas and overthrow Mazdek and back raises Shaw's son,

810
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:24.519
Raise a Pallavi Shaw, and Raise A Shaw loves America,

811
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:32.639
and he meets with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford,

812
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.800
and he's having the Cadillac Seville built over and Iran.

813
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.760
It's the fastest growing economy in the world at the time,

814
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.679
and he's letting women have freedom and they can get educated,

815
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.960
and they can wear the modern fashions, and he's wanting

816
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.840
to secularize the country and get away from all this fanaticism, right,

817
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:58.719
and then Jimmy Carter comes along, and you have during

818
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.800
the Cold War what's called color revolutions, where the Communists

819
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.039
will come into a country and find idealistic youth that

820
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:13.800
they can brainwash into creating riots and protests against the

821
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.000
leaders that want to have freedom, and these youth will

822
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.960
cause these riots. And so the Soviets did this in

823
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.559
Iran against the Shaw and they were so successful that

824
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.039
Jimmy Carter was convinced the Shaw was going to be

825
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.760
ousted and replaced with a Soviet puppet, and so Jimmy

826
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:38.840
Carter decides, rather than support the Shaw and go in militarily,

827
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:46.360
he decides to correspond with I told a Komane who's

828
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.639
exiled in France for fifteen years, and Komane says a

829
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.519
bunch of lies and says, oh, if you will help

830
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.840
me take power in Iran, I will restore order and

831
00:51:58.920 --> 00:51:59.960
the America doesn't have to worry.

832
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:01.760
We'll keep the oil coming and so forth.

833
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.719
And so Jimmy Carter is so naive, so he pressures

834
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:13.440
the Shaw to leave in nineteen seventy nine, and he

835
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.920
stands back while the Iatola comes in. The Ayahtola takes

836
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.440
all the Shaws generals who are pro American, brings them

837
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.800
to the rooftop of a high school and kills them all.

838
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:28.280
Hunts down all the Shaw's pro American supporters, executes them. Sadly,

839
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.119
that's been going on these last few weeks again exactly,

840
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:38.559
and then he starts the Hesbelaa. He funds Hesbelah Hamas

841
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.280
and the Huthis that attack Israel. Why Israel is standing

842
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.800
in the way of the Kaliphate. They want to have

843
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.679
a Kalifate, which is a one world Islamic government. And

844
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:56.840
this iotola is part of the Shia eschatology of end

845
00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:03.000
times that he believes he's the prophet troublemaker, the Sayi

846
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:07.440
corus On, whatever the name is, who's supposed to create

847
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.840
a global war. And then the twelfth Hidden Imam. They

848
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.400
think there's an old man living in a cave somewhere

849
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.360
for centuries. This twelfth Hidden Imam will come back and

850
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.079
crush the little Satan Israel and the big Satan the

851
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.400
United States, and then have this kali Fate, this one

852
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:26.800
world Islamic government.

853
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.000
Well, we got to leave it there. Bill Fetter, thank

854
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.599
you so much for being with us. Remind everybody again

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879
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.840
Well, glad you could join us Bill Martinez here with

880
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.159
John Hart from Open the Books. It's time to you know,

881
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.320
for the whole truth and nothing but John Heart. What

882
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:08.920
are he's saying?

883
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.519
That's right? Yeah? You know, we like to focus on

884
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.639
two things, truth and transparency. And I think I think

885
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.599
this country, Bill is starving and hungry for an evidence based,

886
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:22.480
reality based conversation. And as I often say, is let's

887
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.400
open the books together and find out what's true. Let's

888
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.920
find out who's right. You know, bring your best argument,

889
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.239
but we've got to agree about what is actually happening

890
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.000
so we can make the citizens can make good decisions.

891
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.760
But you know, we exist to empower citizens to hold

892
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.440
government accountable because it's ultimately it's not it's not the

893
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.639
government's money, it's our money, it's your money, and we

894
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.280
need to we're trying to facilitate and encourage good, good

895
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:46.199
citizen engagement.

896
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.960
Well exactly, it's critical. I mean, this is the government

897
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:50.719
enough for by we the people. You take we the

898
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.400
people out, and you don't have you know, federalism, you

899
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.599
don't have a government that reflects the constitution. A couple

900
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.519
of years ago, John Otb said we're on the brink

901
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.480
of a transparency revolution, and that has been the case,

902
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.320
I mean over particularly the last couple of years. I think,

903
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.519
certainly all the great work you guys have been doing

904
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:14.039
for two decades plus now and Elon Musk coming on

905
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.679
the scene, all the reveals that are happening, you know,

906
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.079
you see what's going on in Minnesota, and you know,

907
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.440
everything that your gut has told you was could possibly be,

908
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.000
it seems more and more that it's got to be

909
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.519
a duck because it looks like, talks like and smells

910
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:33.920
like right.

911
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.119
That's right, yeah, yeah, And it's it's important, you know,

912
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:38.840
let's let's try to start out a hopeful though, because

913
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:40.559
there's a lot you know, there's a lot of ways,

914
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:42.639
there's a lot of fraud, there's a lot of inefficiency,

915
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.800
and people are our right to be shocked at, outrage

916
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.360
and angry. And I think that that Unsettleness Bill is

917
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.119
a good thing in your spirit to hold on to.

918
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.440
And it's just how do we take that sense that

919
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.679
something's not right and make sure that we make things

920
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:58.800
as right as we can. And that's again, that's what

921
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.880
we're trying to do by making making the spending transparent.

922
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:04.519
So but let's let's look back. So when you so

923
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.119
twenty as we've talked about before, twenty years ago, Tom

924
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:12.039
Coburn and Barack Obama very different senators. I was working

925
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.719
for Coburn, you know, we worked together to put all

926
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.840
federal spending online for the first time. And if we

927
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.559
could put our brains in the world don't have to

928
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.719
remember twenty years ago pretty clearly, the Google search engine

929
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.760
was a big new thing, right. It was, oh my gosh,

930
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:27.199
all of a sudden, I grew up as a kid

931
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.519
reading encyclopedias and just and just the fact that an

932
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.159
encyclopedia could be online was mind blowing, exactly. And that's

933
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.840
so that was early kind of Internet. And then we realized, gosh,

934
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.000
if we could put government spending online, that will create

935
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:48.320
an ecosystem of groups and individuals who will do better

936
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.559
oversight thing Congress, and that really has happened. So when

937
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.159
you go online today, Bill and you look at it's

938
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.159
not just open the books. You know, we're the flagship

939
00:57:56.159 --> 00:58:00.760
transparency organization. There are literally thousands of accounts on platforms

940
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.360
like x that get all of their data from USA spending.

941
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:06.880
So a lot of the debates we've had this year

942
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.679
about oh my gosh, why is a grant going to

943
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:12.519
this entity in California that's funding that's really creating a

944
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.960
magnet for illegal immigration, or not spending housing money correctly

945
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:19.840
or Minnesota. You know, US is spending captures a lot,

946
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:21.679
it doesn't capture all of it. We'll get we'll get

947
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.039
to the gap there's a lot of gaps. But and

948
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.599
then we see what's happened since then. This year there

949
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:31.079
were real cuts. You know, we stopped subsidizing uh, you know,

950
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.199
PBS for instance. And I'm I'm actually a big supporter

951
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:35.920
of the arts. You know, I've got all my guitars.

952
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:37.440
I love creating exactly.

953
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.480
God created us to be creative people. But I happen

954
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:43.840
to believe that I don't deserve a subsidy for my

955
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.400
guitar collection. You know, I should be able to buy

956
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.880
my own guitars. It's not your job to buy my guitars.

957
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.920
It's my job, you know. And that's and that's and

958
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.360
that's how we ought to think about creativity. So but

959
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.440
that one issue in particular was the focus of oversight

960
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:03.480
and transparency for years. And this I just the metaphor

961
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.679
I use is transparency cuts through government like water cuts

962
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:11.519
through stone. The flow can seem mundane and unremarkable, but

963
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.159
when that flow of water finds a crack, it can

964
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:18.199
wipe away mighty, mighty walls of opposition exactly. And that

965
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.639
is how that's what the founders envisioned when they put

966
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:27.400
transparency into the constitution. Transparency is a first principle of

967
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.360
representative government and making sure that that that we the

968
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.719
people are in the driver's seat, that we're the bus drivers.

969
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:38.119
The center of gravity is with us. And that's a

970
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:43.079
that's that's been been demonstrated, you know, this year. But

971
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:45.880
but but but needs to be needs to be strengthened.

972
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:50.280
Well, step one is so important. First of all, you've

973
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:54.519
got to identify the problem, right, and so if you're

974
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:59.039
not transparent and you haven't identified the problem, then everything

975
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.239
in Like all you politicians and even recently in the Hill,

976
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.400
we heard somebody that you would have thought would have

977
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.280
been pretty smart. I mean she was a doctor and everything.

978
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.840
You know, they talk in terms. Well, John, you really

979
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.679
don't understand because there's a lot of nuance here. No, No,

980
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:19.159
there's not nuance. It either it either is or it

981
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:24.840
isn't that it's only nuance so that you can skirt accountability.

982
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.239
Right right, Yeah, And that's and so let's talk about

983
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.360
the Minnesota example for instance. That's great. It's a great

984
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.599
so you know, most of you if you haven't seen

985
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:35.599
watched the nix s early video watch it. And it's

986
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.039
got millions of views and deservedly so it's a beautiful

987
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.760
example of citizen journalism and this kind of crowdsource oversight

988
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.599
that we've been talking about and facilitating for years. And

989
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:48.599
if you so, what we're trying to do is we're

990
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.559
both we're adding to that investigation. So we're we've just

991
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.079
published you can go our sub stack, you know, all

992
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.840
of the money flowing to daycares all over the country.

993
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.039
Just we're starting with the ten most populous stay But

994
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:03.320
when you think, when you when you read about the

995
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.079
fact checking of on Nick Shirley, there's very little substance.

996
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.719
It's all they're accusing him of being too political or

997
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:12.639
his you know, his one of his sources ran for

998
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:14.639
public office. He didn't disclose that and said, well I

999
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.559
don't I don't care who ran for what office I

1000
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.519
care about? To your point, what is real? What is true?

1001
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:26.760
Are these centers the quote leering center but learning? Is

1002
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.280
that really or not? Are there kids involved? Are is?

1003
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:33.320
Do they have anyone anyone actually using these programs? Or

1004
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.599
is it just a fraudulent scheme? And and I think

1005
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.679
in Minnesota a lot of it is pure fraud. And

1006
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.840
so we're going to be following that up and retracing

1007
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.320
his steps, but also looking all over the country and

1008
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.320
we're it's out. Courage all of your listeners, go to

1009
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.639
our sub stack. If you live in any of these

1010
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:54.480
big states. You know we've published lists. So go go

1011
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.119
knock on doors, go go call call the entity.

1012
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.360
Would go do some citizen journalism.

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01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:03.920
Like we'll pay you, but we'll pay you as a

1014
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.000
contributor to to write pieces and publish it. And that's

1015
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.440
that's again, that's the beauty of what technology can do.

1016
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:12.280
Is that is that there's we don't have to wait

1017
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.519
on the main court mainstream media to do it for us.

1018
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.119
We you know we can, we can do it ourselves.

1019
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.159
And and your show is.

1020
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.760
A part of that. Well, clearly the mainstream media has

1021
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:26.519
checked out. I mean, uh, professional journalism at the level

1022
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.480
when you and I were growing up. Uh, it's lost

1023
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:34.599
its way. Uh and uh it's really violating what our

1024
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.159
founding fathers expected out out of a free and independent

1025
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:41.639
press in terms of holding our government accountable. I mean

1026
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.840
they got to be embarrassed that somebody like Nick Shirley

1027
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.880
can come out and expose something like this, and boy,

1028
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:48.880
I'll tell you did he hit the mother load Because

1029
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:52.000
like you said, when you pull that thread, you're saying, well,

1030
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:56.599
it's Minneapolis today, but how many other states are running

1031
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.440
a similar scam?

1032
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.679
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, And I think and one of

1033
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.079
the things that's really unfortunate about this the whole digital revolution,

1034
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.079
you know, and the dawn of the Internet is as

1035
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.880
significant as when the printing press came on six hundred

1036
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.000
years ago. So it's a massive technological change. And we've

1037
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.840
seen the decline of investigative journalism, not just nationally but locally.

1038
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.239
That's one of the that's one of the great tragedies

1039
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.559
really that we've seen unfold is that you don't have

1040
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.760
the local newspaper, you don't have the local beat reporter

1041
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.639
to who's able to go and work and beat nick

1042
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.760
surely to the punch uh And so part we're actually

1043
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.639
we're actually working to reconstitute that too. There are other foundations,

1044
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.920
other entities that are trying to revitalize and rebuild local

1045
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.960
journalism and sort of this non agenda based where let's

1046
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.239
just get give people the facts, give people the transparent information,

1047
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and trust people to use their brain. Trust them. You

1048
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.760
don't have to them over the head or come with this.

1049
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.480
You have an axe to grind. Just make the data

1050
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.519
available and trust the electorate to make good decisions about

1051
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:03.760
where they want their money going, but they've got to

1052
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.000
have information right exactly.

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You know, we're talking with John Heart, the CEO of

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openbooks dot com, and you know, kind of doing a

1148
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review here a little bit, and then we're going to

1149
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talk about what's going forward and what we can expect

1150
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in this coming year. But as we started out talking

1151
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.640
about this transparency revolution that's been taking place here and

1152
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.399
in this information age.

1153
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.079
So it's it's amazing.

1154
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.640
John, how all these tools are being utilized and how

1155
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:40.439
it really is empowering the people. And I think it's

1156
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:46.560
scaring that and rightfully so, the traditional politicians who've been

1157
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.000
able to get away with this, because one of the

1158
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.600
big questions recently, I've been posing to economists time and

1159
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.359
again is saying, here we are thirty eight trillion dollars

1160
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.239
in debt. How much of that debt is taught to

1161
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:05.239
voter fraud and uh and electioneering? And they said probably

1162
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:05.680
all of it?

1163
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.640
M yeah, yeah, Well well look it's yeah, there's there's

1164
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.720
an incredible amount of amount of fraud uh in the government.

1165
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:14.439
And you know, we've got to look at all all

1166
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:16.560
of our all of our systems, and so that's that's

1167
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.239
certainly one of them. And uh, you know, just to

1168
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:21.640
to kind of to kind of close the loop on

1169
01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:25.479
the on the Minnesota example, h there are one or

1170
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:27.479
there are a couple of things that really went wrong

1171
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:29.399
that are unique to Minnesota that we don't want to

1172
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:33.720
see duplicated. One is that the Biden administration issued a

1173
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:39.439
ruling where they they tagged funding to quote enrollment numbers, uh,

1174
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.920
not actual attendance. And so what that did is to

1175
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incentivize people to just have fake enrollment numbers right to

1176
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get to get money. And and that's that's one of

1177
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these things that's relatively easy to correct. But then the

1178
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second thing Minnesota did that was that was not smart,

1179
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is they got rid of their their treasurer office. So

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I'm also I'm on the board of a group called

1181
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.000
the State Financial Officers Foundation, and I want to do

1182
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to the CEO of that group. My friend oj Alaka

1183
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did a great oup ed in the Wall Street Journal

1184
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.960
describing how Minnesota was a penny wise and a pound

1185
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:14.000
foolish because they eliminated their state Treasurer office. And the

1186
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.079
purpose of that office is to make sure things like

1187
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this don't happen, to have an internal check and we

1188
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.520
work opened the book's works, you know, handing glove with

1189
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a lot of treasures around the country to help the

1190
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publicize their data to make sure that they have the

1191
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right systems in place. We did pioneering work with you know,

1192
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Josh Mandel and Ohio years ago, and they've they've really

1193
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we've we've they followed our lead in terms of setting

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the standard of putting government spending online. So Minnesota did

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01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.920
a couple of things really bad that that hopefully will

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01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.520
not be replicated. But but I think fraud the big

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01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.760
picture point I'll leave you with on Minnesota is fraud

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is a feature. It's not a bug in our system.

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In other words, fraud this isn't just one anomaly that

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01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:57.960
happened in Minnesota. Yes, there were unique things about it.

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01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.640
But but when you have government that has really set

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01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:05.800
up to reward perverse incentives, you're going to see all

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01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.079
kinds of misbehavior. And that's that's why we need to

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01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:12.119
go back to the founders and have a twenty first

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01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.439
century federalism, which is really go back to the numera

1206
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.279
enumerated powers. Instead of having four hundred agencies, let's have

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01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:20.560
four and maybe.

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01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:25.359
Five, yeah, that are that are accountable, you know, and

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01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:30.079
accountable to the voters. The other thing too, not big

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01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:34.159
surprise here that Biden would do this, because it's it

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01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:38.720
reminds me of what Barack Obama did with Obamacare. It

1212
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:41.079
wasn't about providing healthy it was just about a number

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01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.680
and so you get what you asked for, and the

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01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:48.640
people were rewarded for just putting people on the dole,

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01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:52.680
whether they were legit or not, and or legal or not.

1216
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:54.840
Yeah, exactly.

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01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:55.560
Yeah.

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01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.279
And one of the things the highlights of kind of

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01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.119
last year is I was able to testify a couple

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01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.680
of times on the hill. One was the House House

1221
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.319
Doch Committee of we talked about all the federal funding

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01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:09.359
that goes to furnish vacant buildings. That was that was

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01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.640
a funny earring and in millions of dollars going to

1224
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:14.520
paintings and conference tables and solar powered picnic tables and

1225
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.880
all these things. But then I testified before the Senate

1226
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.680
a Small Business committee on fraud within the small business sector.

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01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:25.079
And one of the things we see over and over

1228
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.079
again is that the best way to make something expensive

1229
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:31.119
is for government to make it affordable. So when you

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01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:34.560
see when you have governments, whatever government subsidizes, it gets

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01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:37.960
more expensive. And to your commacare. That's one of the

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01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.000
biggest expenses for small businesses is all of the healthcare

1233
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.760
costs have gone way way up because the government has

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01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:49.880
gotten between the purchaser of healthcare and the product and

1235
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.880
the doctor. Government is really the middleman, and it's encouraged

1236
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.760
health insurance companies to be the middleman between the patient

1237
01:13:57.800 --> 01:13:58.359
and the doctor.

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01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.760
Yeah, and like you said, this is an exception. I mean,

1239
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:05.359
this is a feature of government intrusion. Whether we're talking

1240
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:09.039
h well, let's go ahead and subsidize electric vehicles. We're

1241
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:13.039
going to give the consumer seven thousand dollars to go

1242
01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.920
out and buy an electrical vehicle. So what did the

1243
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.239
dealers do. You know, they said, well, you can't have

1244
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:20.560
all that money, so they got their price, so it

1245
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:23.279
was a windfall profit for these dealers. I mean, that's

1246
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:23.800
it's just.

1247
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:27.560
Right, same principle.

1248
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.640
Right exactly. So you know, they've got this system down.

1249
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.520
So wherever the government money goes, well then they're going

1250
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.680
to find a way to capture it. And it's you know,

1251
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.000
part human nature, and like you said, it's a feature

1252
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:43.520
of the system. So that means the system is broken.

1253
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:46.960
So is there any interest on Capitol Hill to fix it?

1254
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.880
Yeah, there's there's a Yeah, I think you know, the

1255
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:55.199
Minnesota case bill I think is encouraging it. It's it's

1256
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.720
obviously discouraging case. It's shocked and terrible, but it's one

1257
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.960
of these rare moments that's a galvanizing moment. And we

1258
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:05.880
remember the early days days of the Tea Party. We

1259
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:09.920
were trying to foment and encourage as citizen led kind

1260
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.199
of revolt against big government, and that succeeded and we

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01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:15.600
actually moved the needle. We get we got a number

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01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:17.720
of forms, we got rid of your marks for a decade,

1263
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.800
we cut spending in real terms for the first time

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01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:23.319
since the end of the Korean War, and this, this

1265
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:27.840
Minnesota case feels has that feel of the start of

1266
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:32.560
something very encouraging, the start of something promising, where people

1267
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.119
are fed up and they're but they're fed up in

1268
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.520
a very constructive way. It isn't it isn't just burn, burn,

1269
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.760
burn the country down. It's hey, how do we renovate?

1270
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.039
And that's really what's strong, what's so wonderful about our

1271
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:49.239
American experiment is our American revolution was not realistic. The

1272
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:53.800
French Revolution was neolistic, and ours is about, hey, let's

1273
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.800
continually reimagine, rebuild, renovate. Sometimes you do to get the

1274
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.920
sledshammer out and knock down a wall that never should

1275
01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:02.359
have been built, to get back to the original vision.

1276
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.760
But the end purpose is about creating something. It's about

1277
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.399
it isn't about tearing things down. It's about creating opportunities

1278
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:11.800
for growth and flourishing.

1279
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.079
Well, like you talked, and you reference burning things down.

1280
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.039
Of course, Minnesota has become famous for burning things down

1281
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.880
because it seems to be a deflection, you know, of

1282
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.720
what we're really dealing with. And so you know, our

1283
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.880
caution to we the people is, hey, keep your eye

1284
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:30.399
on the ball. Don't get distracted by what the media

1285
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:33.000
or these other interests are doing. See but again, if

1286
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.600
you don't know what vision or what the mission is

1287
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:39.359
and that what you're holding onto, you're going to be

1288
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:44.199
easily discouraged and dissuaded because there's going to be, as

1289
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:48.600
there always is, opposition to get this country back on track.

1290
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.000
A lot of politicians over the years I've talked about, oh,

1291
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:54.399
we need to do a better job. But you know,

1292
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:58.279
it's just it's just rhetoric. There's no substance to it.

1293
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:01.720
It's just conversation to get you through an election period.

1294
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:04.920
Sure, sure, yeah, And that's and that's why people just

1295
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:07.840
have to demand results. And that's and we've seen these again,

1296
01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:11.720
but we really have seen changes in pivots where nineteen

1297
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:15.199
ninety four is a great example. You know Tom Coberen,

1298
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.159
who I worked for years, he was a member of

1299
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.159
the class in nineteen ninety four, you know, I was

1300
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.119
still in college, but then worked for him three years

1301
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:23.920
later and started with him in ninety seven. Brought this

1302
01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:26.319
book Breach of Trust with them, you know twenty years

1303
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:29.399
ago that he had a great you know, service in

1304
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:31.720
the Senate, but he had he was a person that

1305
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:35.640
had a normal career. He coming to Congress is really

1306
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.399
a demotion because he had a very thriving medical practice.

1307
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.600
He was a business owner, believed he was a true

1308
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.279
citizen legislator. And I think there are thousands of Tom

1309
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:47.000
Coburn's out there, people that have done things in the

1310
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.479
real world. They might be a welder, a teacher, or pastor,

1311
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:54.720
a carpenter, plumber, you know, somebody that has a banker, whatever,

1312
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.840
whatever field they're in, they have something to contribute. So

1313
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:01.119
I think the doors, the doors of public service are

1314
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.279
wide open, and more open than people realize, because the

1315
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.880
perception is is that there's an establishment in Washington. It's

1316
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.800
sort of protected, and there is self protection commits protect themselves.

1317
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.760
But at the same time, anyone can run for office

1318
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.960
and win. And whether people love or hate Donald Trump,

1319
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.399
well he certainly proved that anyone who decides to run

1320
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:26.680
for office can win. And that's an incredible strength of

1321
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:31.000
our system that's menable to change. That change really can happen.

1322
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.079
We saw it in nineteen ninety four, and we saw

1323
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:35.039
it with the big Tea Party election in twenty ten,

1324
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:39.399
where exactly people saw to your point in allow in Obamacare.

1325
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.079
They we the people figured it out and realized, you know,

1326
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.119
we don't really want our healthcare to go up. And

1327
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:48.039
of course we didn't see the reforms we wanted out

1328
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.720
of that, but we did see electoral change. And there's

1329
01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.159
a lot of you know, we could spend two hours

1330
01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:55.920
on how we need to have better elections, better process,

1331
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:59.039
but the fact is is that is that we're in

1332
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:01.600
a better spot than that oftentimes we think we are.

1333
01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.960
Well, I've maintained the voice of way the people needs

1334
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:09.720
to be augmented and not throttled down. And that's what happened.

1335
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.199
You know, you mentioned the Tea Party, the Tea Party movement.

1336
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.800
Oh gosh, I'll tell you did the establishment and everybody

1337
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.880
freak out over that. I mean, you get interference from

1338
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:22.680
the government. Lowest learner, her shenanigans that she did that.

1339
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.439
I maintained that's still in action to this day. It's

1340
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.920
probably affected I don't know what, at least a dozen

1341
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.000
voting cycles. You think about that, John, It's disenfranchised the voter,

1342
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.760
and you can't have that in a true democracy. I mean,

1343
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.640
you got a lot of people on the left talking

1344
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:40.760
about democracy. It's my first question is how do you

1345
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:42.760
define it. I mean, you can't even define a woman.

1346
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:44.840
So let's talk about democracy. Maybe you might be able

1347
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:46.680
to come up with a good definition for that.

1348
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:47.079
Right.

1349
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Well, it's not just the IR scandal where where theyre.

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01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:55.199
They discriminated against tea part conservative groups. In the Biden years,

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01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.640
we had d banking and outright censorship, and so people

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know that's what happens when you turn the lights on

1429
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.319
in corruption. All the cockroaches start scattering, don't they.

1430
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.880
Right, that's right, yeah, yeah, and it's it's important. Let's

1431
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.840
talk about Doge for a minute, right, because Elon Musk

1432
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:19.760
came in with Doge, and a lot of people are

1433
01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.520
frustrated that Doge didn't cut more, and I wish they

1434
01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:25.960
would have cut more. But but but I would disencourage people.

1435
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:28.680
You can't when there's an effort to try to cut

1436
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.279
spending and it doesn't work as well as you think,

1437
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:36.520
you can't give up. And so so Elon the wa

1438
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:38.479
The way I would describe Elon Musk is it's kind

1439
01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:39.920
of like if you, if you're a sports fan, if

1440
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:45.560
you remember Michael Jordan retired from basketball and he played baseball, right, Oh,

1441
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:47.399
Michael Jordan's a brilliant athlete. He's going to be great

1442
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.439
at baseball. Well, it turns out he's actually much better

1443
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:53.119
at basketball. And so so Elon Musk, it turned out

1444
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:55.520
he wasn't as good at cutting government spending as I

1445
01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:58.520
wanted him to be. But he's still great at creating SpaceX,

1446
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:00.359
he's still great at TESLA. He still has and a

1447
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.479
lot to contribute to our country, and I think we

1448
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:04.880
should thank him for the effort he put in to

1449
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:06.760
try to reduce the size the scope of government. But

1450
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:10.279
let's let's learn from what work let's let's build on

1451
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.000
on those lessons and and and sort of the tech sector.

1452
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:15.720
You know when people talk about when there's like a

1453
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:20.239
startup venture that fails, that isn't really failure because that

1454
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:24.359
that failure is teaching that CEO to do it differently

1455
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:27.039
next time. It's teaching everyone in the field to do

1456
01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:30.319
to do it differently. And so so in the electorate,

1457
01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:33.199
these things, same things are true. Like we offered with

1458
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.439
cobur and thousands of amendments that fail, literally thousands that failed,

1459
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.760
but he didn't give up. He got Okay, well this

1460
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.960
this approach didn't work. Let's try a different approach. And

1461
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:44.720
then we found the bridge to nowhere. We found a

1462
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:47.640
woodstock museum, we found shrimp on a treadmill, things that

1463
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:50.760
are still talked about years and years later. And so

1464
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:53.079
that's what I would just sort of say two musk

1465
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.840
and people that are mad that DOS didn't do more,

1466
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:59.079
it's like, well, let's you know, just because it doesn't

1467
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.520
it doesn't hit them mark immediately, doesn't mean the mark

1468
01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:04.319
isn't Because the mark is there. We've got to hit

1469
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:07.119
the mark. Yeah, right, built, let's build on that. And

1470
01:26:07.119 --> 01:26:09.079
there's and there's a lot of findings that they that

1471
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.800
they had that you know, Congress still needs to act

1472
01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:15.119
on and members, members are are looking at all these things.

1473
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.079
Well, Johnny bring up a good point in talking about

1474
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:20.960
the comparison of Michael Jordan, that is that Michael Jordan

1475
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:25.439
was gifted and wired for basketball more than baseball, and

1476
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.800
uh and Elon Musk by the same comparison is that,

1477
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:30.760
I mean, you're coming into a new venue here altogether.

1478
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:34.279
That you know, you don't think like politicians. I mean

1479
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.039
you think like a businessman. Donald Trump thinks like a businessman.

1480
01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:39.439
Got a problem, fix it? You know, it's a it's

1481
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:44.399
a fifteen minute problem. Well yeah, yeah, easy, you know

1482
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:48.039
Capitol Hill. No, that that's a you know that that

1483
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:51.279
can be an entire campaign and years long. But meanwhile

1484
01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:54.079
you've got all kinds of wasted money, people are injured

1485
01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:58.039
in the process. And again, this all yields to you

1486
01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:01.039
know what you referenced earlier, and that's the size of government.

1487
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:03.039
It's way too cumbersome and inefficient.

1488
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.159
Yeah, And I think what we were able to do

1489
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:09.359
successfully is when you when you when you find a problem,

1490
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.640
you have to loiter over the target. Okay, You've got

1491
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.000
to You've got to hover over it and have a

1492
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:19.680
combined arms approach air power, land power, seapower until until

1493
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.960
the problem was solved. And and we kind of learned

1494
01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:25.439
that the hard way. So there are examples of like

1495
01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:29.439
Social Security disability, where billions of dollars were being defrauded.

1496
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.359
We identified a few fraudsters. There's a guy named Eric

1497
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:37.359
con who was who was encouraging people to sign up

1498
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:40.640
fraudulently for Social Security disability. He was getting paid millions

1499
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.560
and millions of dollars. But then we identified them sixty minutes,

1500
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.560
did a segment. Apple TV did a documentary about them,

1501
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.880
and that changed. That saved billions of dollars. But that

1502
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:55.760
took and months and months of work again loitering over

1503
01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:57.960
the target. And this is where cobD is a doctor.

1504
01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:00.840
He was able to use that perspect of Okay, well

1505
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:04.319
the disease isn't cured, I'm just symptoms. I want to

1506
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.600
treat the disease and find the root lause and and

1507
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.560
that's and and sort of the wisdom of we the

1508
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.279
people could figure that out. Like people know, they look

1509
01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:14.760
at they look at Minnesota and they think, okay, this

1510
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:18.680
is not just happening in Minnesota. That's just absolutely right,

1511
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:22.760
and we're providing the data to help them move that

1512
01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:25.439
move those investigations along well.

1513
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:27.279
And like you say, hovering over the target, I mean,

1514
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:30.760
how many other targets did Dosee exposed that you know,

1515
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.399
we've gone on to another, you know, right, another thing.

1516
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:36.960
You know, maybe there's we need to revisit some of

1517
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.720
these areas that Doze exposed and say, okay, you know,

1518
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:43.600
like anything Johnny, as you know in business, uh, it's

1519
01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:45.880
twenty percent of the problem is going to give you

1520
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.399
eighty percent of the yield. So what are the twenty

1521
01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.239
percent of the problems that we have out there that

1522
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.439
we can identify that could make eighty percent difference?

1523
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:57.840
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, I think you know, one

1524
01:28:57.880 --> 01:28:59.479
a couple of things in particular is you know they

1525
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:05.359
Dozed talked about all the the the antiquated federal account

1526
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.439
all the retirement records in the mountain up in Pennsylvania.

1527
01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.640
Fixing things like that can have an enormous impact. But

1528
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.159
but again that that is such a tedious, time consuming thankless,

1529
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:22.359
but that that kind of work and that kind of

1530
01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:25.159
rigor makes a huge difference for taxpayers. And so I

1531
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.680
hope that they continue to focus on those And I know,

1532
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:31.520
I know members of Congress are looking at that. But

1533
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.880
but I think like all of your listeners, they listen,

1534
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.399
they hear this and think, yeah, absolutely, that that makes sense.

1535
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:40.680
It's a no brainer. And politicians have to trust the

1536
01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:43.079
wisdom of the crowd, in other words, the wisdom of

1537
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.279
decent people to realize, hey, this is a tedious task.

1538
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:49.199
It's kind of like, you know, pulling weeds in your garden. Well,

1539
01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:51.279
if you really want to make a difference in your garden,

1540
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.520
you don't just mow the flower bed. You have to

1541
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:57.439
get on your hands and knees and weeds and separate.

1542
01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.479
You don't you don't want to. Everyone has had the

1543
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.720
experience where they pull up a weed and they accidentally

1544
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.479
pull up your tomato plan, or it's something you spend

1545
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:08.680
all the time caring for them. That's experience. But again,

1546
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.880
there's no quick fix, there's no magic answer. It's just people.

1547
01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:16.159
People are right to demand and expect officeholders to do

1548
01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.159
hard work and to be to be tenacious and be

1549
01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:20.119
disciplined about it.

1550
01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:21.960
But it seems like they're not.

1551
01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:22.239
John.

1552
01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:24.039
I mean, the question that comes to mind here with

1553
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.760
my audiences, they go, where's the leadership. I mean right now,

1554
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:31.239
you know, like him or not, thank God for Donald Trump.

1555
01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:37.119
Donald Trump in many ways is exam sampling leadership and

1556
01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:40.760
and and he's met with resistance and h you know,

1557
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.239
for ego's sake, establishment call it what you want, you know,

1558
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:48.760
the Beltway Blues or whatever. You know, they're not quite

1559
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.560
catching it and saying look it. You know, right now,

1560
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.520
I think we have an opportune time. We're on the verge.

1561
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.039
I think Trump is right on and saying we're on

1562
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.520
the verge of a true golden age for the country.

1563
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:03.840
And the thing is is the reverberations are going outside

1564
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.319
of the country, and it is touching the entire planet.

1565
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:07.720
John mm hmmm.

1566
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:08.479
Yeah.

1567
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:10.279
And I think I've sad what we're seeing in Iran

1568
01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:12.720
is a good example of that. I think I think,

1569
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:16.279
you know, I wouldcourage anyone to go look at look

1570
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.520
at all the images of Iran before the Antolas versus

1571
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:24.279
after heartbreaking, right, and if that, if that imagined the

1572
01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:28.560
benefit of that regime falling, what that would do for

1573
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.520
our national security budget, what it would do uh, for

1574
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:35.039
so many, so many, so many areas that affect our

1575
01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:35.840
lives every day.

1576
01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:38.960
Yeah. Venezuela the same thing. I mean these poor people.

1577
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:42.079
I mean not that long ago, John, three decades ago,

1578
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.119
one of the most wealthiest, uh, you know, countries in

1579
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:50.279
the top five certainly. And now I mean inflation through

1580
01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:52.319
the roof. I mean we complained at nine percent. They

1581
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:54.880
were at one thousand percent plus. And the people, the

1582
01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:57.560
poor people were eating out of the back of Maduial's

1583
01:31:57.560 --> 01:31:59.239
trash trucks.

1584
01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.920
Right Right's yeah, it's heart. And compare that to a

1585
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:05.760
country like Poland. You know, Poland has had explosive growth

1586
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:10.720
because they've embraced free market capitalism and I've traveled a

1587
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:14.199
lot and it kind of in Eastern Europe and you know,

1588
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.840
behind the Iron Curtain again, like we we remember that transition,

1589
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:22.159
and it's remarkable to see how some countries have really

1590
01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:24.600
flourished and others of struggle. Poland is one that's done.

1591
01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:27.760
That's a success story. Where they were behind the Iron Curtain,

1592
01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:31.960
they were under Soviet occupation and now they've they've embraced

1593
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:36.720
the principles of freedom and human innovation and natural rights

1594
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:40.159
and they're doing really, really well. And compare that to Venezuela,

1595
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:43.560
which again just went with the opposite direction and hopefully,

1596
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:48.520
hopefully that situation will will stabilize and go better. But again,

1597
01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:51.720
you can't, certainly can't. Whatever view you have of Trump's

1598
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.680
foreign policy has willingness to take action you know is

1599
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.319
not is not in question, and and that that could

1600
01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.520
open the door to incredible reform and change.

1601
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:01.840
Yeah, without a doubt. You know, you mentioned you know

1602
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:05.319
what happened in Poland, and uh, you know, great success

1603
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:08.520
record there. But I don't hear a success record coming

1604
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:12.880
from communism or socialism unless I'm missing a headline somewhere.

1605
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:16.600
Yeah, it's it's it's a share shared as Bargart, Thatcher said,

1606
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:21.920
it's shared misery, and yeah, and sadly Zorna Mondami in

1607
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:24.159
New York did not get that memo. So he's he's

1608
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:28.479
gonna make another run at at at the warmth of collectivism,

1609
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:30.800
as he put it. But but there is a lot

1610
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.960
of warmth when you when you try to micromanage a

1611
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:37.159
firm society, you end up what you end up doing

1612
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:40.079
is punishing the punishing the winners and rewarding the losers.

1613
01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.439
And well that's what we're going to see play out, feel.

1614
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.439
Well, And the problem is is that the winners have

1615
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:48.319
enough money they're leaving town, billions of dollars going out

1616
01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:52.800
the door, just like in California. And uh, they're already

1617
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:56.079
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We're talking with John Hart, the CEO of openthethooks dot com. John,

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looking back in twenty twenty five, what would you say

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01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:19.199
was the biggest accomplishment for Open the Books in exposing

1694
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:22.920
you know, something that's just so hugely fraudulent.

1695
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:26.560
Yeah, I mean there are so many to choose from,

1696
01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:29.000
and I encourage we have a sub stack up and

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01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:33.039
people can look at that. There's some some highlights. I think,

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01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:35.760
you know, we looked at bid near improper payments at

1699
01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:38.520
nine hundred and twenty five billion dollars. There's a lot

1700
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:41.159
our progress in scaling that back center to earns from

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01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:43.800
Ohio or Iowa rather has been has been a great

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01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:47.800
leader on that. I think I think I would I

1703
01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:49.560
would kind of put it a tie at two different things.

1704
01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:54.720
I think there's real movement towards an upgrade of USA

1705
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.159
spending that's built. I talked about earlier where we put

1706
01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:00.119
all government spending online for the first time, and we

1707
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.159
got all kinds of pushback and people said, oh, there's

1708
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:05.199
no way the federal agencies will coordinate. That's impossible, it's

1709
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.159
a fool's errand but we figured it out and they

1710
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:10.439
and you know, all of that spending is now is

1711
01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:13.359
now searchable now. The challenge is it's not going up

1712
01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:15.880
as fast as it needs to, and there are big

1713
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:20.199
gaps within states. So our ambition back twenty years ago

1714
01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:22.079
wasn't just to pass a law. It was to create

1715
01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:25.079
a norm and to really change our political culture to

1716
01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:28.960
make it an expectation that of course government spending should

1717
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.560
be searchable. Why what, what possible reason would you not

1718
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:35.840
have to search government spending? And so the standard should

1719
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:39.119
be real time transparency and that's our tagline is our

1720
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.439
mission and opened the books. Every di'm online in real

1721
01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:45.279
time exactly. And one of we talked about what could

1722
01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.600
what did those accomplish? Well, one of the great things

1723
01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:50.359
they accomplished is they got access to the Treasury payment system.

1724
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:53.560
And that's the I call that the administrative state Holy

1725
01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:57.279
of Holies. It's where only the goverment of doubles exactly,

1726
01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:01.760
and really the treasure the payment system is America's checkbook.

1727
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:04.520
It's so Bill you, just as you and I have

1728
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.359
the right to go to our personal account, we should

1729
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:08.479
be able to go to the Treasury payment system at

1730
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:11.239
any time and see the flow of money, because that's what.

1731
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:12.920
It's not the government's money, it's our money.

1732
01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.119
It's exactly, it's our personal account.

1733
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.039
What possible reason do we have to not see that?

1734
01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:19.880
And of course there are legitimate nationality We don't need

1735
01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:23.479
to be publishing the address of someone's CIA safe house.

1736
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:26.880
And you know privacy matters, those are national security privacy.

1737
01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:32.479
There's that's an easy exception. So Congressman Ship Roy introduced

1738
01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.199
the bill to at least give Congress access to that system.

1739
01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:38.159
And Chip Chip is a great leader in Congress who's

1740
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:41.000
actually running for Attorney general now in Texas. But I'm

1741
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:43.239
working with Chip and other other members of the House

1742
01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:46.399
to do a stronger version of that bill to create

1743
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:50.319
real time transparency for every American citizen and to make

1744
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.680
make that the standard in federal law. And we want

1745
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:55.079
to build on that to do the same thing in

1746
01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.560
all fifty states. So again, one of the issues in

1747
01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.920
Minnesota is we talked about their treasure's office, but we

1748
01:41:01.960 --> 01:41:04.720
could even have a better solution, which is we it's

1749
01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:06.680
good to always have a treasure office because you need

1750
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:09.600
someone on the ground locally who's sniffing around and making

1751
01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:11.880
sure there's no games being played. But we need to

1752
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:15.000
dramatically upgrade our transparency laws. So there was real movement

1753
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:18.600
towards that in twenty twenty five, and we would accelerate

1754
01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:21.159
that in twenty twenty six. That's that's probably if I

1755
01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:23.479
would just pick one, that's probably one of the great

1756
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:25.079
advances of this past year.

1757
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:27.960
Do you think that, and maybe you already do this,

1758
01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:30.680
and I'm just thinking, you know, off top of my

1759
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.279
head that there should be an award for all these uh,

1760
01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:37.239
you know, these fraudsters and everything goes out, and I'm

1761
01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:42.199
just envisioning a trophy with with the with the shrimp

1762
01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:44.319
on a treadmill.

1763
01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:46.079
Shrimp on a treadmill trope.

1764
01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:49.680
Sure, yeah, exactly, I mean, yeah, yeah, from open the books.

1765
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.239
I mean, here's the here's the big money wasters of

1766
01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:55.039
twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six or something like that,

1767
01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:57.680
and you know, and you don't want to be caught

1768
01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:59.840
with the you know, the shrimp on a treadmill.

1769
01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:02.239
That's a that's a very good idea. I think I

1770
01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:03.079
think we're gonna steal that.

1771
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:07.920
We'll go away. It's I I thought maybe we already

1772
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.479
had something like that, but as you were talking, I'm

1773
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.079
thinking that would be awesome. You know, the shrimp on

1774
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:15.640
a treadmill trophy. You know, you've been awarded. It's like

1775
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:18.640
getting you know, Rowan and Martin's fickle Finger of Fate.

1776
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:22.159
But this would be, uh, you know, one of those

1777
01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:24.359
you know, we would laugh about it. We'd laugh, but

1778
01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:27.640
it's also a serious issue and help keeping in the

1779
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:31.279
front of everybody's mind the seriousness that you know, this

1780
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.560
is the wasting of the people's money, right.

1781
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.079
Yeah, absolutely, Well, yeah, one award I will highlight for

1782
01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.239
you just for your audiences. We have a new Adam

1783
01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:44.720
an Jevsky Memorial Scholarship Fund, so great. So it's just

1784
01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:46.920
just to remind people, so so open the books. You know.

1785
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.680
This history is we did the transparency alall in two

1786
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:55.000
thousand and six. Adam and Jievsky, wonderful entrepreneur, a public

1787
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:59.640
servant in Illinois, took that idea and he very wisely

1788
01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:03.079
expanded to capture spending not just at the federal level,

1789
01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:06.159
but stay and local. So that's how we how Open

1790
01:43:06.199 --> 01:43:09.520
the Book started. And Tom Cobra was an original advisor.

1791
01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:11.119
I was an advisor of Opening the Books at the

1792
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:15.000
very beginning, and Adam ran the organization wonderfully and tragically

1793
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.239
passed away just over a year ago, which we've talked

1794
01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:19.680
about a couple times on the show. So that's why

1795
01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:21.880
I'm not leading the organization. But we have a new

1796
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:27.239
scholarship fund honoring Adam, honoring citizen journalism, and that's and

1797
01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:30.479
it's a very generous twenty five thousand dollars scholarship to

1798
01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:35.560
a current college student or someone incoming who demonstrates a

1799
01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:40.119
passion for these ideas of transparency and citizen led journalism.

1800
01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.640
So that's something just for your listeners to beware. If

1801
01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.520
you're interested, just you know, go to our website. There's

1802
01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:49.359
a section on the Adam and GFC Scholarship and we'd

1803
01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:51.000
love to tell you more about that.

1804
01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:54.640
Yeah, without a doubt. Wow, that's a great, great deal.

1805
01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:57.560
And plus you know, of course, as you know, John

1806
01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:01.119
Adam had been on the show regularly. We had him

1807
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.840
on almost on a monthly basis because we just so

1808
01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:08.840
believed in what Open the Books was doing. And uh, yeah,

1809
01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.640
it was it was sad when we lost him. And

1810
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.800
uh but to his credit, the organization that he had

1811
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:19.479
built was strong enough to carry on and bring you

1812
01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:20.880
on as the CEO.

1813
01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:23.680
Yeah, thank you. Well, I'm trying to do the best

1814
01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:26.319
the best I can honor honor his legacy because he

1815
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:28.359
was he was doing it not for his benefit but

1816
01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:31.880
for the benefit of the public. And we need more

1817
01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.800
people who understand that the vision is not to grow

1818
01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:38.159
government agencies but your agency, you know, and your and

1819
01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:41.760
ability to pursue happiness on your terms with your resources

1820
01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:43.079
and talents and gifts.

1821
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.039
Well, John, as we're coming to to the end of

1822
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.199
this and I so appreciate the time our audience does

1823
01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.399
as well. We're so thankful for all the great work

1824
01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:55.920
that Opened the Books has done. Uh, what what do

1825
01:44:55.960 --> 01:44:58.319
you see in this coming year? What's what is the

1826
01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:01.279
mission and the objective for Open the Books in twenty

1827
01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:01.920
twenty six.

1828
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:05.119
Well, yeah, Bill, thanks for asking. I think one is

1829
01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:07.560
back on on the real time transparency. We have a real,

1830
01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:13.000
real window of opportunity to advance and dramatically strengthen transparency

1831
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:15.399
laws at all levels of government, federal, state, and local.

1832
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:17.760
So that's that's a key priority with love your all

1833
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:20.640
of your listeners support you know, tell your tell your

1834
01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:26.000
local local officials that demand the same view of your

1835
01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.039
tax money as you do your own personal bank account,

1836
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:30.840
because again it's your it's your government money that they're spent.

1837
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.000
You have the right to understand what's happening with it.

1838
01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:36.079
And then we have a number of in depth investigations

1839
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:37.600
we're working on. We're gonna we're going to look very

1840
01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:40.560
closely back on that. On the affordability theme, We're going

1841
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:43.079
to look at kind of the history of affordability programs

1842
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:47.039
in big areas of the economy, like healthcare, education, housing,

1843
01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:50.159
and really let people see the flow of money and

1844
01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:52.800
then the results, let them come to their own conclusions

1845
01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:54.840
about about do they do you want to see more

1846
01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:58.760
or less of this? Yeah, take a very close look

1847
01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:03.359
at at at all all areas, you know, the Department

1848
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:07.760
of Education, Higher education, uh, you know, spending on sanctuary cities,

1849
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:11.319
how how the the ice effort is going. There's a

1850
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:13.640
lot to kind of look at an unpack and we're

1851
01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:17.000
going to provide the numbers and data for people to

1852
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:18.119
make up their own minds about.

1853
01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:22.000
John. I'll tell you we're looking forward to that because

1854
01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:26.479
you know, we the people sometimes think that we're becoming

1855
01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:30.279
a bit cynical here because the way we see the money,

1856
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:34.279
you know, being utilized, it seems that, you know, especially

1857
01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:37.359
with these NGOs, money was going out to these NGOs

1858
01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:41.359
and then it was coming back into the pockets of politicians,

1859
01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:45.560
and this is just exacerbating the fraud and corruption all

1860
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:49.279
the more and the misrepresentation of we the people.

1861
01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:52.720
That's right. Yeah, I would just just kind of end

1862
01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:55.039
on it again. Back on encouraging note is that when

1863
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:58.399
when we the people get engaged and make their voices heard,

1864
01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:03.960
change does happen. Politicians are terrified of technical revolts, truly,

1865
01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:08.800
and there's and again I want to see an enlightened revolt.

1866
01:47:09.439 --> 01:47:11.079
That's why what we're doing is so important, is that

1867
01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:15.039
you can't you can't have accountability without visibility. And if you,

1868
01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:17.800
if you, if you simply shine a spotlight on these

1869
01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:20.119
on these transactions, on these games that get played like

1870
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:22.960
you just described of you know, taxpayer money going to

1871
01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.279
an ng O then going back to the politicians, you know,

1872
01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:31.199
friends or their their their own LLC that's running the contract. Right,

1873
01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:34.199
So the more the more people know that all that's

1874
01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:36.920
going to get exposed, the less we see of that.

1875
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:40.960
So sunshine is a powerful deterrent and disinfectant, not just

1876
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:45.319
a disaffect, it's a deterrent. And and we have the technology,

1877
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:47.279
and we're also working a lot on on sort of

1878
01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:51.239
the next generation AI tech tech tools to help map

1879
01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:55.399
do predictive analytics on government waste and fraud to prevent

1880
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:59.039
it from happening. And so I'm very excited about what

1881
01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:02.039
the future holds and and we're going to help the

1882
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:03.960
best way that people are right to be worried about

1883
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:06.319
AI and a surveillance state, but the best way to

1884
01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:09.920
stop a surveillance state is to create a surveillance citizenry

1885
01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:14.920
and create superintelligent citizens exactly own these tools and control

1886
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:18.840
these tools, and not to not to delegate authority to

1887
01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:23.760
some mysterious AI agent, but use that agent to your benefit.

1888
01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:26.319
Let it be like a shovel in your hand or

1889
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:28.760
a track. Right, that's the future.

1890
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:33.920
Right. Freedom is with the individual. It's not with the government.

1891
01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:37.439
They're not the ones to give us. That is clearly

1892
01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:41.840
stated in our constitution. It's God given and we must

1893
01:48:41.960 --> 01:48:45.840
exercise in order to maintain a free people and a

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democratic republic, all that our founders had envisioned for us.

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And you're exactly right, John, I think talking about ending

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up on a enough note, I mean we shouldn't be

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afraid of AI. I think AI is going to go

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long ways, like all other technologies that come along way.

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You know, people initially said, oh, well, you know when

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you went from the typewriter to word processing, was going

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to replace all these people. What did it do? I mean,

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it created whole new industries. So I think we're at

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the early exploratory surges stages of it all, and I

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think good times are ahead, and I think it's the

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time to you know, embrace it, not not run away

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from it, but embrace it and as you say, utilize

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it for good.

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Right, you got it, you got it. Yeah, we call

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it a r AI in the Future of Freedom Initiative,

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So you'll be you'll be hearing more about that this year.

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Well, well titled. Well. John Hart, the chief executive officer

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for openthbooks dot Com, thank you, as always so much

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for all the information. John. Remind everybody of the website

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they can go to uh to hear of and be

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in front of all the knowing because knowledge is power

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and we need it now more than ever. Yeah.

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Probably the best starting point is Open the Books dot

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substack dot com, or you can just go to Open

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the Books dot com and you'll get to the right place.

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So John Hart, thank you for being with us. Take care.

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Thank you. Bill's a joy for sure.

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You got it. Well, great stuff here, huh. I'll tell

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you we're so thankful for John Hart and Open the

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Books and the team there, they're doing such a great

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job on behalf of we the people. Make sure you

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go to the website Open the Books dot com to

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be in the flow of the know as we say, well,

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that's a wrap for us. Thank you for sharing a

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part of your day with us. God bless you. May

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God bless you and keep you. May make His face

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