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0:00 Are you ready? Yeah, Okay, do it. Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez. Good morning America. Bill Martinez here six minutes after the top of the r Nick Bryant is back with us, the veteran investigative journalist and who has become the twenty year Epstein expert. Dick huh, Yeah, we're coming up on twenty years. Actually, it's been twenty two years that I've well, actually thirteen years since I first started investigating Epstein. Well, you know, when you started investigating him, what drew you to him? You said, Hey, I got to follow this.

0:47 I had written a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of powerbroker's child abu some betrayal, and it was about an interstate child trafficking network that was covered up by federal and state authorities. I spent seven years on that book and I couldn't get I live in New York City, which is the mecca of publishing, but I couldn't get anybody to touch it. Finally, a publisher on the West Coast, a small publisher on the West Coast, published it, and I was very grateful but what I saw with the Franklin scannal and what I saw with Ebstein looked similar. With Ebstein, there were. A number of victims that were reported to be molested by him, and there was a grand jury that looked into Ebstein's child abuse, and the grand jury concluded that no children had been abused. And that was the same thing that happened in the Franklin scandal. Grand jurors are very susceptible to being corrupted, and I can get into that if.

1:48 You want me to. But I went down to Florida in twenty twelve and I just started knocking on doors and I eventually got Emstein's Black Book, and the victims are under massage. It's kind of a euphemism, and a lot of the victim there's one hundred and seventy four people that are under massage, and a lot of them were underage girls. And I started to call them and they told me about being flown around. One told me about being flown around to an island. So I quickly realized what I had written about, and the Franklin scandal was very similar to what was going on with Epstein.

2:32 Well before we get into Epstein, you know, you touch on the Franklin scandal, just to kind of bring people up to speed on that. Tell us a little bit more in the background of the Franklin scandal. Franklin scandal was a it's about a pedophile network that was active in the nineteen eighties and it was covered up towards the. End of the eighties and into the early nineties. And the center of the Franklin scandal was Omaha, Nebraska, and kids would be flown all over. The country, much like we're seeing with Epstein. A lot of I managed to acquire the Seal Grand jury testimony and exhibits one of the grand juries that declared that not a single child been abused, and a lot of the flight logs went to Washington, d C.

3:26 And in Washington, d C. There was a party house that was right for audiovisial blackmail and it was owned by a ciasset named Craik Spence, and politicians and other powerbrokers that would go to those parties. The parties would start out as like generally a pretty standard political party with. Cotails and things like that, and then at. A certain point, maybe at ten or eleven, something inappropriate would happen. Someone would fire up a joint, or coke would break out, or something sexually explicit would go down, and the people that didn't want to stick around for that would split. But then the people that did, and you got to keep in mind that they had been plied with alcohol, oh sure would be compromised. And I look at and Lawrence King was the one in Omaha that got the kids or a lot of the kids, and Craig Spence was the one in DC that he got kids too, But he was the cisset who was who was a blackmailer. And I kind of look at King is like Dwayne Maxwell, and I look at Craig Spence as Jeffrey Epstein.

4:42 You know, it almost smacks of you know, Hoover's you talk about black book in the files he held on politicians And as you say, in DC, interesting that that was the epicenter and that you had a lot of kids going in in d C. And so how much of these perpetrators were they politicians or were they all or what I. Think that they were politicians and captains of industry and also people in the media. What we're seeing with Epstein is politicians and captains of industry and science people. But most of the people in the Franklin scandal that I'm aware of were politicians, captains of industry, and also people.

5:28 In the media. And here you have a grand jury that meets and says, hey, there's nothing here, right. Well, what happens with grand juris is a special prosecutor has chosen and he presents or she presents evidence to the grand jurors, who are just people that have shown up for jury duty and then they've been funneled to a grand jury. So they have no idea of what's happening except what the special prosecutor shows them. So there was a new or extreme court justice that said special prosecutors have so much power over grandeurs that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. Damn sandwich yet right, and.

6:09 Both the grand juries in Nebraska there was a state gr injury and a federal grandjury declared that a single child hadn't been used. And I've got the transcripts for one, and then Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida released the transcripts of the Epstein injury, and it was appalling. At that point law enforcement was aware of I think about twenty one kids, and they had the statements of five and only two of the kids were called. And one had been molested when she was fourteen, she was now sixteen, been molessed multiple times when she was sixteen and she was now eighteen. And Lena Belo Loovok, who was a special prosecutor, just destroyed those kids. And she was calling one a prostitute, and then the engageers picked up on that, and so she essentially indicted a ham sandwich. And I can't believe that there hasn't been anything punitive against her.

7:12 But that's that's the Epstein case. Everything is turned on its head. Well, it's what's surprising to me is you said here it is you have as an investigator, You've got this information, you got the Black Book, you got all this background. But yet people are yelling and screaming about they need to see the files. I mean, how much more do we need to see here? Nick? Well, actually, if the Justice Department had a will, I don't think we need anything else. We know who a lot of the perpetrators are, and we know who a lot of the procurers are, and according to the federal government, there's twelve hundred victims. So if the Department of Justice that the Department of Justice couldn't panel a grand jury next week and subpoena the procures, and the procures once they were looking at child trafficking is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's fifteen to life. So if the procures were looking at five indictments of child trafficking, which would be five life sentences, potentially five life sentences did roll over on the purpse, and then we've got lots of victims to discuss how they were abused by the purpose. So we wouldn't need any more information. We just need a will by our government to prosecute pedophiles.

8:43 Well, you know, you have Pam Bondi saying hey, I've got the information. She kind of teased it, said she was going to release it, and here all of a sudden, things are stalled out. We've got to go to quick break, Nick, So let's you know, we'll come back, we'll talk about this. I also want to talk about another area too that maybe you have some knowledge of as well. So stay with us. We've got more from the investigative journalist and director of Epstein Justice dot Com, Nick Bryan. Right after this. Your holiday to coor is down and suddenly your house looks very January Coles can help. You bring the spark back. No twinkle lights needed, save I'm betting that feels like a snow day.

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13:48 Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Nick Bryan, the investigative journalists, and we're talking the Epstein files. Uh, Nick, So what is it with Pambondi? I mean she says she is, she doesn't, and of course then you get a situation where you know, people are really getting antsy about this. I mean, this is really detracting from even Donald Trump to the point that he's at the Ford Motor Plant and a Heckler you know, refers to him as a pedophile protector, and he didn't take too nice of it. In fact, he gave him the one finger salute. Right well. Pam Bondy initially told us that there were thousands of hours, and the actually there is thousands of hours because we know that a couple of hard drives were taken out of Jeffrey Epstein's safe in New York and also discs, and that was one of the first things the FEDS did after Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen, was opened up at safe and see what he had, and Pam Bondy initially told us that there was child abuse material or child pornography that had Epstein molesting children, and then the Department of Justice came out with the July fifth document that said that no one signed, but it was from the FBI and the Department of Justice that said Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell acted alone, and the child

15:19 abuse material, the thousands of hours of child abuse material in Jeffrey Ebstein's safe was downloaded from the internet. So Ma'm Bondi is contradicting herself from what she previously said. And I believe that the Trump administration thought that this would be enough that they could close the door on Jeffrey Epstein. But people, child sexual abuse and child sexual trafficking is really maybe the most heinous of crimes. Oh, I would think exactly. So who's being protected here? Nick Well, I believe I've written three books about ci blackmail Franklin scandal, and then I also wrote it was originally called Confessions of a DC mappam of the Politics of sex, lies and Blacks. Now it's called Compromised, and also another book. And I think I believe this and Tim Burshett who is a sitting congressman from Tennessee. He said that his colleagues were being compromised in honeypots.

16:34 He came out and stead of the sitting in Congress. Right through my research and I've. Been researching this since two thousand and two, two thousand and three, I believe that our political system is rife with blackmail. I think that Donald Trump might be protecting some of his friends, but he's also protecting a system that's rife with blackmail. You know. Well, like you say, you've got a lot of politicals involved, you know, donors, champions in industry, and again, the nature of this, as heinous as it is, and what we're realizing is much more pervasive. The one thing sidebar I just wanted because I had been following this for quite a while. I'm from southern California and been in the media for many years, and I am still appalled at the lack of information coming out for these child stars that had been molested, many too many ended up committing suicide, the effects that had on their lives, and that it still amazes me how what's happened in Hollywood amongst these young kids and how they were abused how that's been skirted around.

17:55 Well, the system, I hate to say, is almost perfect because you take kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, generally, from dysfunctional families generally, and then they get molested repeatedly, and generally drugs are the carot for these kids, and at some point they lose their youthful marketability and then they're just expunged. And what you have is a young adult who has been repeatedly molested and chances are is a drug adictor has problems with alcoholism, and.

18:36 They and what kind of future spouse or parent is this child going to be having gone through this kind of abuse. Well, not only that, but they a lot. I saw this with the Franklin scale, not so much with the Epstein scandal. Is they go on to compromise their own credibility by committing. Crimes to support their drug habit. Yeah, and you know, I think we've. Seen that in the Hollywood kids too. Well. Yeah, and the kids, like you say, for the Hollywood kids, the enticement is, hey, you're going to be a star. You're going to be on the big screen, and and you know, and here time and time again. But you know, and maybe Hollywood is thankful in some sense that the focus is on Epstein because it takes it takes a spotlight away from them. But you know the reality of it all, Nick, And what I've been able to observe is that this is so pervasive and so disgusting that it really compromises the very foundation of our civility and our culture, does it not.

19:49 It's, as I said, political system that's rife with compromise or compromat is going to be. We're going to end up with the political system that we Yeah. And. We as citizens of America. Feel that we have no that we have no voice, and a government that's gone wayward, and that becomes the problem is the government becomes wayward and it feels like it has doesn't have to respond to checks and balances. Yeah. Well, Nick, and I think part of it is that nobody's claiming sainthood here. I mean, we're all humanoids.

20:30 We all have our bucket of sins if you want to call them in that that you know, infractions or whatever it is you want to refer to them as. We all have our issues that we deal with. Nobody's perfect here, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable and others accountable. Then, like you said, we end up yielding to the kind of government that we are dealing with right now, and all this chaos, I mean, all this Natzi stuff. I mean where you have what you would otherwise think are very smart people can't even answer the question if a man can get pregnant. I mean, this is up to isn't it.

21:14 Well, what we're seeing is horrific. But you've got to keep in mind that our Department of Justice and FBI, that two most important law enforcement arms in the United States of America, are covering up for child molesters. Because they're using that information, as you said, and that's why I mentioned early on this just so smacks of JEdgar Hoover's files that he kept right. Yes, I believe that compromount is at play here, but as Americans, we have to hold our government accountable for this.

21:59 We cannot let the government cover up the molestation of children. And that's why I started Emstein Justice because we want initially one thing. We want an independent congressional commission that incorporates non governmental personnel. And we want that independent congressional commission to answer two questions, why is the government covering up challenge trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted. Very simple baseline things. I mean, all this illegal immigration we had and a lot of kids and human trafficking that's taken place. Does this call work together hand in glove, Nick.

22:42 Well, human trafficking is I think a horrific problem in the United States. If you want to go with the Centers for Disease Control, just go with their numbers. Twenty five percent of underage girls have been molested in five percent of underage boys. And many studies have found that that's kind of conservative for underage girls and white conservative for underage boys because men are reluctant to talk about being molested. But anyway, if you just go with the CBC. Numbers, you've got over fifty million Americans that have been molested and as when they were underage. And that's a huge pool to pool from when you're trafficking children.

23:28 Yeah, exactly. And again it creates a perception and a you know, like you said, in a sense in scientific terms, kind of a culture of where this dysfunction can run amock. And so it's important, it's critical, I believe, to our civilization into our country that we pursue the truth, no matter how painful it may be and no matter where it leads. Nick Brian is an investigative journe list. He's the director of Epstein Justice dot com. And Nick, thank you so much for coming on. We've got to stay on top of this and make sure that you know the shroud of all this deception, you know, is pulled back so that we can deal with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but right.

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28:09 Hey, we're back with im Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Grubin. Great to have him here. Michael, of course, is the director of Policy Analysis at the Middle East Forum and a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Michael, I'm sad that we don't have anything to talk about right now because nothing is happening geopolitically that we should be concerned about right. Absolutely, it's a slow newsweek. Surely, he just you've got an interesting article here that you know, I don't know if people have just not picked up on this, but this makes a lot of sense. That is the world ready for waves of Iranian refugees?

28:49 Absolutely? Look when Syria erupted into civil war, more than six million Syrians fled. Remember, Iran is a country more than four times the size of Syria. Now, what actually makes this perhaps even inevitable is. That if Iran. Falls into civil war and there likely won't be a smooth succession should there be a change in regime, then of course you're gonna have a wave of refugees. But if the Islamic Republic reasserts control, the way they do this is not only by shooting the crowds in the street, which we've now seen, but also by hosting a number of public executions.

29:36 After the facts. So if it looks like the Iatla Ali Kamene's gonna be victorious, I would expect many Iranians to pick up and flee. The question is are we ready for that? And remember the Trump administration cut one third of its donations to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. People could say that's wasteful. I would actually argue that UNHCR unlike many other UN agencies, is actually actually provides a lot of bang for the buck. So you regret to Trump's decision to pull that money away, or we may end up having to come back because of the necessity if in fact we start having Iranian refugees fleeing the country.

30:22 Well, let me put it this way. Traditionally, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has taken this expanse of sort of European socialist West European approach that there is never a migrant and that wasn't a legitimate refugee. On January first, twenty twenty six, Barhamsala, the former President of Iraq, became the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and he takes it back to the future approach, which was in nineteen fifty one, the UN Convention defined a refugee as someone that was fleeing war and you would settle them right away in the first place they ended up. None of this. Refugees can go wherever they want, and Barham Sala wants to go.

31:03 Back to that definition. I would actually argue that right now we have more to gain from actually working with UNHCR than working against them, and I would actually note that UNHCR has actually been helping the Trump administration establish registration centers along our southern border, so it's not as if they're these internationalists that we need necessarily to oppose. Well, that's good to have an understandable and updated understanding of what you know the United Nations, you know, Refugee Center is doing, and how they've revised their doctrine. Indeed, look, it's always a long term battle. It's a battle of interpretation. But even though we're going off on a tangent here, traditionally the head of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees was always a European. There was an exception with the Japanese once and pre revolutionary Iran barham Sala, who used to president of Iraq. Is unique because he's the first High Commissioner that was actually a refugee himself, not once, but twice, and therefore comes with a different perspective and has traditionally been known in Washington and in the United Kingdom as someone who we can work with, and not only Democrats can work with.

32:19 Well, I know you say it's a little bit of attenent, but I think it's important because this is a possibility, and I think we need to get in front of this to where we could be proactive as opposed to reactive too often are as you know, I mean, you've been advising our government and other officials for years. We seem to be a little late to the game here. So the fact that you're bringing this to the awareness and we get a little bit in front and more anticipatory, I think is a positive thing, don't you. I do, Look, Bill, you know me, and you know that I'm quite conservative, and I'm also very cynical about the United Nations. I strongly believe in reforming it, but I prefer to go after it with a scalpel rather than an axe. So the aside from you and HCR, the World Food Program does good work. And I would say that the other thing which the United Nations does that perhaps the United States can't do or can't do as cheaply is some of the peacekeeping missions. So, for example, you've had successful peacekeeping missions in Sierra Leone and Liberia and kotifoar. What made them successful is when they were finished, they got up and they disbanded. Then you have these wasteful or peacekeeping missions in Congo and Cyprus and so forth in Morocco that go on and on and on costs billions of dollars and basically become an entitlement for Pakistani or Bangladeshi peacekeepers. The fact of matter is, we've got to separate the wheat from the chaff, because it's a lot cheaper to actually prevent a civil war than to actually deal with the ramifications.

33:51 Of one, well exactly, And you know, and to that end, I think that you know, the Supreme Court is still dealing with the Trump's tariff moves and that you know, if it's constitutional or not. But when you look at the benefit of what Trump has done in utilizing tariffs to settle disputes and not let them you know, bust into a war that could you know, impact neighbors and other things, how do you think that's going to play out? Well? Look, I mean I can quiple with Donald Trump, and I certainly do because I also tend to be a traditional free marketeer, and I worry that whatever gains we get from tariffs in the in the short term actually a rod or economy in the long term, so that that's actually part of a broader debate. That said, I have absolutely no problem with using all the mechanisms of US power in order to fulfill US interests. You know, we've talked about this before though, but in US military academies they teach something called the dime paradigm, that every strategy should have a diplomatic, informational, military, and economic component to it. And what traditionally American administration haven't understood is the whole is thet greater than the sum of the parts.

35:04 You don't want to just sequence it where you start with diplomacy and if that doesn't work, you try economy and so forth. You got to do them all at once if you're going to actually be successful. Exactly well, and it seems that the Trump administration has embraced that more than previous administrations. Michael am I ruying. No, That's exactly what I'm saying. And that's where, while we can quibble about sanctions and some of the economic tools, where I do think Trump is on the right track is actually integrating all the tools of power in order to have a coherent outcome or coherent goal to which we're aiming. Well, focusing again on your run, Trump is laid out a red line, and it seems the Iyatola is crossing that line. We get mixed reports. Originally was we heard maybe three thousand people have been murdered. Now we're hearing, you know, thousands upon thousands, twenty thousand plus possibly that are being murdered in what you suggested. Could you know?

36:03 Because that's what happens when governments get disrupted like this, then there becomes a force factor that comes into play. And is this going to drag America into Iran? To settle it? You know, to settle this conflict. I don't think anyone's aiming for boots on the ground, but I see three historical parallels very quickly. Number one was George H. W. Bush in nineteen eighty nine with Canneman Square. The second was George H. W. Bush when he called upon the people of Iraq on February fifteenth, nineteen ninety one to rise up and throw off the dictator. And the third was Barack Obama's red line with Syrian chemical weapons. In each of those cases, we stood down, and it led to much greater conflict. If George Bush had sided with the Chinese protesters, not with troops, but in other ways back in nineteen eighty nine, then perhaps we wouldn't be talking about a future war with China. Likewise, in nineteen ninety one an Iraq that set us down the path to a future war.

37:02 Now, if you. Actually had to say, policy practitioner, how would you actually solve this problem? I would say that what Trump should do is take the Cargoil terminal. It's fifteen miles off the coast of Iran and ninety five percent of Iran's oil exports go through it. If Iran can't export it to oil, it can't pay the people that are shooting the crowds in the street. That's how you end this thing quickly. Somewhat similar to Venezuela. Right, Somewhat similar to Venezuela. The difference is that in Iran you have this chokehold. Now you may remember him, but the commander of US Pacific Command under Jimmy Carter was a guy named James ace Lyons, and when the hostages were taken in Iran, he came up with this idea to blockade all the Irani imports and take the Cargoil terminal until Iran released the hostages. Jimmy Carter said no, and we had our hostages there for four hundred and forty four hundred and forty five days. I would say it's time to revive a Slion's plan and I think we could again end this very quickly.

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42:17 Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Rubin. UH. Doctor Michael Rubin is a Director of Pulsey Analysis at the Middle East Forum and a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Let's switch our focus to greenland. You know I think Trump has made some rather aggressive statements. You know, it bothered me, you know, truthfully, that he came so aggressively. I think there's a way to make nice and maybe achieve our ends. But Donald Trump and Donald Trump ways sometimes, you know, I think he gets he gets in front of his skis a little bit. That's my opinion.

42:58 Oh, you're absolutely right. Well, you know, I've spent some time in Greenland. I can give you anecdotes about going to a Chinese restaurant in Greenland and having General sus Seal which was quite bitterly on the menu, and wayl Lo Maine. At any rate, what we should have done with Greenland is what we've done with countries like Micronesia, where we take charge of their defense but they technic and their foreign policy. But they have independence. And unfortunately, I think Donald Trump's rhetoric has set a wedge. The Greenlanders originally wanted independence, and they could have had it with a protective agreement. Unfortunately that shit may have sailed.

43:39 So he's really made it more difficult for Marco Rubio and JD. Vance to come up with something. How are they going to cut this baby in half? Or is it just impossible. I think it may just be impossible. Put it this way, if Trump wants to take Greenland, he will take Greenland. The question is whether NATO can survive something like that. Yeah, that's exactly right. And meanwhile, I mean when you look at, for example, when you go back historically and saw what we did with Alaska, right, and that was a strategic move that really paid off incredible benefits. And you know, hopefully and prayerfully I say, is that if we can find something there, I think it's a strategic move for America to partner up with Greenland in such a way, because I still think they're vulnerable. I think after this thing settles down, Greenland realizes that they're kind of like the almost forgotten stepchild of Denmark, are they not?

44:40 They were? And look when I was there. I was there in two thousand and seven as a tourist, and then I had an extended state because Air Greenland went on strike. You can talk about West European labor unions and so forth, and so I got stranded in Greenland. But you're absolutely right. I would say a much better analogy you're absolutely right with Alaska would be to Hawaii and then of course, some of the South Pacific territories, some of which we've allowed to become independent under an American umbrella. That's ultimately what we should have done, rather than broker this confrontation in the way we have. So it's gonna extend this and instead of probably something done in a in a more congenial way, possibly in the Trump administration. Like you say, if Trump wants it, he's gonna be aggressive, He'll make it happen. And I think that that's gonna be a problem, I think for the citizenry of America, because we don't you know, we don't like that kind of bravado.

45:41 I think no, I think you're absolutely right. Look, the benefit even if we don't take Greenland is Denmark and NATO are now taking Greenlandic security seriously in a way they never have before. It's sort of like Trump's rhetoric during his first term suddenly led all the NATO countries to pony up. Perhaps that is what Donald Trump is doing, but I don't want to discount the fact that Donald Trump actually means what he says exactly. Let's talk to Ukraine, Russia. Where are we. Ultimately, it's very easy to say we want to have a we're going to impose a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine that this is going to win Donald Trump the Nobel Prize. What I like in it too, however, is having a ribbon cutting for a skyscraper whose foundations haven't even been built. It's one thing to try to impose this agreement, it's another thing to tell the Ukrainians that they need to give up their freedom. And I'll be blunt on this. I think Donald Trump is wrong.

46:48 I think the Ukrainians are right. And if you incentivize an appease, even after the fact Russian aggression, it's only going to repeat. Yeah, you're inviting more of the same. I mean people do that which they get rewarded for. Putin and I'm with you on this, Michael, And I've said this from day one. Putin cannot be rewarded for this action. No, You're absolutely right. I think it was. In July of twenty twenty one, Vladimir Putin published a long essay in a Kremlin journal talking about Ukraine, and his main thesis was Ukraine is artificial. There is no such thing as Ukrainian. They have no right to exist.

47:30 When you're motivated by that same sort of that ideology. You can't compromise it with it. It's like the Islamic Republic's ideology towards the state of Israel. When you don't believe that they have a right to exist, How do you actually have a diplomatic agreement? How do you get Putin to the bargaining table without going nuclear? I mean, ultimately, I don't think Putin will go to the bargaining table. I think what you're doing is you're looking at a model like North Korea and South Korea, where you have an armist you might have a ceasefire, but you don't have a piece. And that lasts in the Russia and Ukraine's case until Vladimir Putin dropstead of natural causes. Right, I mean they're talking, you know, like a DMZ zone similar to your point, like North and South Korea.

48:15 Well, absolutely, the difference is you do it on Ukrainian's terms rather than force Ukraine first to see territory, because again I don't believe that Russia is sincere in maintaining any agreement. Remember Russia has twice in nineteen ninety one with Almati Declaration and then in nineteen ninety four with a Budapest Miran mirandum affirmed Ukraine's sovereignty over all of Ukraine's territory. Fumi wants Fumi twice? Are you going to make the same mistake three times? What's the best we can hope for here, Michael? I mean, I think the best we can hope for right now is Vladimir Zelenski to continue for Europe, if not the United States to support him so that he can resist Russian aggression and then ALTI once Vladimir Putin is out of the picture again of natural causes, then we can try to have a much more sustainable piece.

49:07 What is this doing for NATO? I mean, is this embolding NATO? I mean, as you mentioned earlier, you know, Trump has put a lot of pressure on them, you know, to pony up and pay their fair share. And I think just about all. I think there's still one, was it Spain that's still hesitant to come up to a standard. But I think overall, I mean, Donald Trump's been good for NATO. I would agree. Look, recessions create stress tests for banks, and the strong banks survive and the weak banks fall apart. What we've seen with the Russia Ukraine War is really NATO's greatest stress tests. And the fact is Ukraine has become more coherent, more cooperative, and has shown that it is a force with which to be reckoned. Donald Trump and Steve Witkoff might not fully understand that, but I can guarantee you that Vladimir Putin US.

50:00 Well yeah, I mean, look at this was a war that was only going to last a week, right. Oh yeah, I mean Vladimir Putin thought he was going to be in Kiev in three days. Right. Well, you know it says a lot about the Ukrainians, right. Well, absolutely, and this is one of those things that can't be bargained away. I mean, look, there's any number of issues which I think our intelligence community needs to have an after actions report study. How did they get things so wrong? We could talk about Iraq WMD, but this whole thing with Russia and Ukraine is another factor. People forget that in February twenty twenty two, when this was first starting, that Jake Sullivan, based on US intelligence at the time, of course, he was Biden's National security advisor was trying to get Vladim Vladimir Zelensky to I'm sorry, President Zelenski, Volodimir Zelensky to flee and the fact of matters, thank god Zelensky.

50:55 Didn't right exactly well. And the thing is, again we're reminded, as Obama famously noted, elections have consequences, and what is it. I mean, it just seems like when it comes to military action and things, the Democratic Party just does a terrible job. I mean, we already heard, you know, Gates had already said that when it came to foreign policy in his forty years of relationship with Joe Biden, he didn't get anything right, and of course that continued on through his presidency. And it just seems to be something that I don't know about the Democratic Party that when it comes to military operations, they just seemed to be off the mark. Here.

51:37 Well, let me put it this way. During the Cult War, we. Had communists, we had anti communists, and then we had some people that wanted to be anti anti communists. They couldn't care. About Soviet tyranny, but they just wanted to defeat the people that were trying to oppose Soviet tyranny. Unfortunately, in the. US Congress now and there's a bit of this in both parties, depending on the administration. We have people that are not anti tyranny, they're anti whoever's trying to oppose tyranny. If they happen to be of the opposite party in the White House. It's so goofy. It's it's a wonder that our government even operates in any kind of level of competency because of all this, you know, this just variance of mission.

52:28 You know, what is it? What is it all about? Here? And I and I think that Trump has really has his head is hands full because he's fighting wars at every turn. I mean within his own party. You know. The Democrats, of course, they are who they are. And and with the this obvious come out of the closet Democratic socialist movement. Uh boy, I'll tell you, the sides are being pretty well pretty well identified here, are they not? They absolutely are. The question is whether what we're seeing right now an anomaly or whether it's the new normal. And America has had its strongest when we have someone like Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil who can put their partisan differences aside in order to work together for the broader American interests. Unfortunately, when it comes to the White House, and when it comes to Congress, those days seem to be passed in America is all the worse for it.

53:23 Well, it just seems like Trump, I mean, for all the good that he's doing and all the good potentially that he could do, he is a lightning rod. Absolutely. Look, people have Trump de arrangement syndrome. You know that I worked in the Bush administration. People had bushed arrangement syndrome. And in an age of TikTok and an age of YouTube, in an age of people getting their news in five second clips and Americans not having any common platform upon which we can all agree, this sort of whiplash policy is simply going to get worse. Well, and this is for me. I was hopeful for this American First concept because I thought that if we could think in terms of what is best for America, that's a good starting point. And when you talk to people on both sides, all sides, and you talk about America First, without you know, any kind of political designation or party designation, you seem to be able to reason a little bit easier and get back to the tip O'Neil and Reagan era.

54:27 Yeah. No, Look, I don't think there should be anything embarrassing about putting America first. When I worked in the Pentagon during the initial invasion of Iraq and people were talking about the shape of the Iraqi government and compromises you might need to make, and the natural compromise would be the compromise that the United States made between provinces when you had a Congress, when you had a Senate. And there's almost an embarrassment about the American model. And that's something I don't understand why we should be embarrassed by our own constitution, by the American model, when frankly it's done wonders for the United States and our coherence here. And when you have disparate peoples in Iraq, you have different populations and different provinces, it would have been a natural and our own State Department was recapping ourselves.

55:14 Yeah, amazing, And you're exactly right. Doctor Michael Rubin, Director of Policy Analysis at the Middle East Forum, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Michael, how can the folks be in touch? Look? You can follow me on Twitter at m Rubin nineteen seventy one or else. If you want late breaking analysis several times a day, go to the Middle East Forum website www dot meforum dot org. If you're sixty five or older and Medicare is your main source of insurance, pay close attention right now and listen for details on how you may save thousands of dollars on your healthcare costs. Did you know that Medicare can pay for things like gentle visits, home delivery of drugs, even a gym membership. Call us right now and learn how to unlock all your Medicare benefits. Of care and Supplemental plans that we provide can even offer you drug coverage with zero copays and pay for transportation to your doctors.

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56:49 Hey, we're back with you. Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here, and we've got Heymutt cheryld did and very popular doctor Curry Myers. Be fortunate to have him on with us right now to talk about the cop hensive use of force assessment Minneapolis ice officer involved shooting, among other things. Doctor Myers. Always good to have you with us. How are you, sir? Oh, thanks so much. It's always a pleasure to be on two. Well, he's applied criminologist, academician, author, consultant. It's a little early for me to say Akama division, but you know I'm stumbling through it. Author, consultant, and a retired sheriff. So he knows from what he talks and from what he comes from, so, you know, help us understand where we are today in Minneapolis. I mean, it seems, you know a lot of people are looking at it and going, wow, this is George Floyd all over again.

57:41 Oh well, that's what it's turning into. And it's a shame. I wish, and I think the whole United States wishes that Minnesota would have like five minutes of calmness for once, you know, I mean it just constantly is the things that are occurring out of the state or mind boggling, and it's a result of the non enforcement of laws that leads us here and why the federal government has to go in. Now. The shooting bill is certainly a tragic case. No one wants to see anybody killed by law enforcement. We don't want to see anybody killed at all this, but tragedy and illegality are not the same thing.

58:26 And I did an assessment on my substack, doctor Currymiers dot substack dot com, as you know, and in that assessment, I was dispassionate, of course, which we should be, and professional in the assessment. And it seems today that law enforcement shootings often become like a carnival ride. So much of the comments, especially from elected leaders, especially in Minnesota exact and community leaders, are made with feelings, they're made with cognitive biases, and they're fueled through social media in traditional media, and this is only adding to the issues that's going on. But the real question here is this, and that is the unattended consequences. In some cases, I'm ashamed to say that might be intended consequences of these non joint law enforcement operations. When Minneapolis decides, because of their sanctuary policies, are going to say, we're not going to help the federal government at all, particularly on these federal immigration led raids, when the operational objective is not just illegal immigration, but going again after criminal legal aliens.

59:43 That's what the federal government is focusing on, Bill, is the apprehension of criminal illegal aliens. And if that's the case, Minneapolis doesn't have an argument here because law enforcement should be assisting with them because because they have committed criminal crimes. And I'm not saying that ICE does not pick up non citizens and arrest them. If they are with the criminal legal aid exactly, or around or surrounding, or they come up and provoke law enforcement and find out they're in this country, they're going to get arrested as they should. And so this even though we've had a shooting, the shooting occurs as a result of the sanctuary policies where the city of Minneapolis and the police chief of Minneapolis has failed in the state has failed to provide the necessary assistance because federal law enforcement is not in the position to go in and do this work without local law enforcement and state law law enforcement assistants.

1:00:49 We work together, right, Well, you have to because the local law enforcement they understand the community right and when they're there represented, it brings a level of calmness. But when you have a governor and a mayor in this particular case in Minneapolis, you know, just you know, with all their rhetoric revving things up and agitating the locals all the more. I mean, Curry, look at look at the assaults. Now they're up thirteen this against ice officers up thirteen hundred percent of vehicular attacks, thirty two hundred percent, death threats over eight thousand percent increase targeted through ice because of these sanctuary cities and these politicians who are championing the cause and revving up the locals to get in the way and interfere. And which begs the question.

1:01:47 You know, in Renee Goods situation, she was supposedly a legal observer. What the heck is a legal observer? That's that's the great question. Because she wasn't a legal observer. She was an illegal observer. And let me frame this for you. Most people are only seeing the shooting. Most people see the fifteen seconds prior and maybe the five seconds after. What people are not seeing to have full context is the roads and people who are these legal observers. They're trained by NGOs, non government organizations and entities who make money off of this because all these people are being paid or the vast majority of people that are showing up or being paid, and the other ones are sheep because they do what they're told to do. And you have block roads, well, blocking a road is against the law. There are many things that are against the law that local police could address and prevent. If ice is going to a particular address, they should be able to share that address, which they can't now because they the Minneapolis police leaks it where they're going. But they should be able to work together. They should go to an address where they think a criminal, illegal alien is at arrest that person and in the meantime, local or state police is helping protect the perimeter making sure that roads stay open. We have this is not a third world country. We have laws in this country. And the

1:03:18 laws are you can't block a public roadway ever you have no permission. Yeah, it's just simple, full stop. But you know, there they are in Minneapolis. They're getting away and breaking the law. Well as you know, as a former sheriff. It starts with little laws being broken, and then they mount up, they accumulate, and now you start getting big laws being broken, bigger laws, and you put people in danger like Rene Good. And yet the mayor and the governor take no responsibility whatsoever for exacerbating and promoting this kind of behavior. And it's almost like it's almost fact they're begging that there's more fatalities that take place. I hate to say that because they're not backing off Curry.

1:04:07 No, they're not backing off at all. And they are they are. I mean, this is the new that they feel emboldened to do this because they are being supported by the political figures at some point. We haven't seen this kind of these kinds of issues regarding not enforcing federal law or the states not getting behind federal law since the Civil War. This is how bad it's gotten. Well, it's like Alabama, which isn't that far back either, it's about sixty years six. Yeah, where they had to send in federal troops, which by the way, were the National Guard, which are federalized troops.

1:04:47 They don't belong to the governor, especially when the president says, okay, you're going to go under my authority, which they have primary responsibility to go under the president's authority, not a governor authority. When it's under the president's authority, they act on behalf of the governor doing whatever it needs to be done, and the governor can use them for assistance put down riots as well, those kinds of things. And this is the problem that we're having. And at some point are they going to arrest people who are fonementing this. It's not just freedom of speech right where they're phone minting this. You can't yell fire in a crowded you know, And that's. What that's and that's what the governor is doing. I mean, he almost suggested the other day. Current I thought this was just dangerous as all get out, was that here we have the National Guard, as you said, under the authority of the president, and he says, I'm going to bring in my own national guard. So what are we going to have a battle of the national Guards right there in the streets of Minneapolis.

1:05:48 Yeah, Well, he doesn't have his own national guard. The Adjutant General of the the the Minnesota National Guard gets appointed by the governor, often concurrence by the Department of war now, but when when the president federalizes them, he can't make any the governor can't make any orders for that to happen. They're troops. They're going to follow what the what the President and the Department of War puts out that says, this is the things that we need you to do at this particular time. So it's all window dressing and then the other thing that. But it's dangerous because because then what are they going to do. They're out there in the field and they're going I got the Governor saying one thing, I got the President saying another, Department of War doing this. You know what laws am I supposed to follow? And now we're back to that goofy stupid video that Democrats, congressmen and senators made, you know, creating some you know, all kinds of potential issues when it comes to law and order. Anyway, we've got to go to quick break. We've got more from doctor Myers. After this, stay with us.

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1:12:28 Absolutely, public safety and public policy, criminal justice, public policy matters. And as an applied criminologist, you don't hear much from criminologists. They're not opining on any of these things, unless it's always to say everything's wrong, We're doing everything wrong. Criminologists by and large are not getting involved. This is right. Why I really am an applied criminologist, because it's just not theory. But we want to look at the application of what law enforcement does in their work. And I call balls and strikes. If I see something that I don't agree with or I think is against the the common value, against the Constitution, I call that out right exactly, I have no I have no problem doing that. But there there are in many ways there's constitutional standards. And if we're falling, then let me give you an example.

1:13:20 This shooting in particular, we had the mayor, to your point, we had the mayor and governor and the Attorney general of the state, by the way, all say this was not a necessary shooting. It was not a legal shooting and there was no justification for that. And they said that. They said this within an hour of the of the action, with not letting all the facts are any investigation, right. So there's so there's no facts. But but the the the legal question is was it objectively reasonable at the moment force was used? And the Supreme Court has already gone through this many times and have said no, necessity is not the constitutional standard. Courts of explicitly rejected least harm.

1:14:05 When it comes to least harm when police officers are reasonably perceived in seconds to take some sort of lethal action. They're not trained into those two seconds to shoot out tires. They're not trained to do anything else. The car equals a deadly weapon is doctrinal and it's been covered in the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter the speed, it doesn't matter the intent. It doesn't mean anything other than the contact to be coming towards the officer and the perception is they are going to get hurt. And a police officer, you know, it's true when a police officer reacts within a couple of seconds, which this officer did. It would be different if the car went by and after the car went by ten to fifteen seconds, then he drew his weapon and shot at the car later, right, because the threat has potentially, you know, potentially gone. This is this is a lesson in physics, not motive.

1:15:09 Right. And the problem is, unfortunately you're fighting you know, public opinion because it's running rampant, fueled by the rhetoric like you said of the Attorney General, the governor and the mayor and UH and law is clear, the Supreme Court has UH has decided on this. But yet that gets lost in the emotionality of the whole atmosphere, right, And so people start seeing it through their own eyes and their own justification. Uh. And though they're wrong, they're they're putting they're endangering their their citizens, they're not bringing them to uh to safety's it's like they're igniting this and like you said, you know, screaming fire in a theater. Uh, you know, and you know they're just amping up the days here.

1:16:01 Well, I think you and I have discernment, and many people in America have discernment. But I think we've lost the importance of discerning things before we speak. And it seems to me that feelings have become the norm, and we respond to feelings. And again social media and that contagion itself fuels it because when somebody agrees with you, then it fuels that person to continue on. It's quite frankly, it's leading to the dark psychological traits. And when we see the dark psychological traits start to affect people, then they're going to take and escalate it to another level.

1:16:42 And this is the reason, you know, we're starting to see Christianity and we're starting to see faith resurge in America again. That the data is supporting more and more people are following those things, and this is one of those where now it's become kind of a good versus evil concept in the world. It really is. I mean, it's that clear. Again for discerning people, we understand that that is the case. It's good versus evil because all these things is that you look at, you know, the speech that's out there, the reporting that's out there. Does it add or take away? Is it doing harm or is it is it helping?

1:17:24 Is this more issue based or is it solution based? And it seems that one side more than other. And you can say the one side take it out of the political realm, say that those that lack discernment and that are interested in reving things up, they seem to anchor themselves into the issue more than the solution. That's right, Yeah, that's exactly. It's that's frame perfectly Bill, what you just said. And then you get into other issues like where ICE all of a sudden is not law is the non law enforcement you're hearing that. You're hearing that from going attorney generals where they're law enforcement officers. ICE agents are federal law enforcement officers. That's full stop yes, they have authority to carry firearms under eighteen eleven. They do it just like an FBI agent or a DHS agent or a DEA agent. They have the authority to make arrests. They have authority to enforce criminal statutes. I know that coming into this country often can be at first a civil issue, but if you re enter into the country illegally, that becomes a criminal issue. There are many things that they enforce as a result of doing their work and the use of force. DOJ policy reflects the current state of the Supreme Court decisions and so immigration violations, you know, yes, but when you disrupt and when you harm others or perceived harm, it's still a threat to law enforcement officers and bill. It goes back

1:18:57 to the sanctuary cities and states that have introduced this, because we're not just seeing it in Minnesota are the ones primarily responsible for the chaos because when ICE comes in to do what they've been told to do and do actually what Congress has asked them to do. For simce, we seventy five million people voted for Trump and said this is what we want done. So it's much more. It's the totality of the citizenry that is spoken at the voting box and said this is what we want done. Now the manner in which it's executed, I get it. Some people because of the way the mainstream media has narritized this whole situation because they've convoluted illegal immigrants. I mean, you come in illegal, you're illegal, okay, And I don't know, you know, does it become uber illegal after you stay here beyond thirty days or a year or what. But then on top of that, you've got people who have, you know, committed crimes. Clearly, they've murdered people, they've they're involved with human trafficking and drug running and on and on. And you know, but you know, the the nice neighbor who did your lawn and lives next door whatever, has been there for twenty years, is all caught up in this immigrant illegal immigration net, and people are focusing on that, on that exception, as opposed to all the bad guys and even bad women who

1:20:30 came in recently to the tune of anywhere. I mean, you hear these numbers, fifteen to twenty million illegal immigrants, and even you got Maduro said, hey, look at America was being stupid and they opened up their border. So I emptied out my prison and prisons and all my insane asylums. I sent them all, hey, go north, and go north to America. And then you look at their crime rate, and their crime rate went down, what about what seventy five percent because they emptied out their jails and they send them here. Same thing with Cuba. I mean, most of the South American countries released their bad people and said, if you make it, you can make it to the United States and make your living there and do what you need to do. And this is also about the failure to have assimilation right. The whole purpose of having a seven year time window to become an American citizen is for somebody to assimilate, learn the common language, which is an English, understand the laws. We're having people that come into this country.

1:21:28 They're not assimilating, and they're starting these little pockets of kind of third world countries from where they came from. Look at this Somalian incident where fraud has become rampant. So in many ways, the culture where they came from, if it's a culture that's based on crime or being able to get away with things, they bring that culture to the United States to include traffic enforcement, traffic laws, not following the traffic laws. And then you have the government in many ways, such as California and others, that allow these things to occur, and then and then they prop it up by even offering. For instance, California allowed people to get licenses, including people who are truck drivers CDL licenses. I used to help and and be a consultant for many people in the in the trucking industry on safety and security, and CDLs are difficult to get.

1:22:25 They're not an easy thing to get, they're not an easy thing to maintain. You have federal transportation auditors come into organizations all the all the all the time, saying, where's your data, where's your information, where's your log books? Where's your medical history? Are you here? Legally? All of those speaks you speak the language. Can you read this sign? Stop? Yeah, no, U turn or whatever? You know? That's those are the things that are done. And when California issue driver's license to to non citizens, most of them couldn't even speak the language. We saw the increase on the highways and deadly accidents that occurred. So I don't want to just say this is only related to ice going in and arresting some people who are criminal non citizens. This is bigger than that.

1:23:15 In this systemic issue, isn't it. Absolutely? It affects, It affects crime. I always say that that criminal justice public policy affects so much, including economics. So when you have bad criminal justice public policy and you no longer feel safe, people are going to retreat from that city, businesses are going to retreat from that city, and it causes an economic bubble. It causes medicine deserts, food deserts where they no longer can stay, and they and people leave and go to other places to live because they want those amenities next to them, and the only people left in the city are criminals, mental mental illness that is fueled by often drug addiction, probably eighty percent of the time it's fueled by drug addiction. And then you have the people who are can't leave because they can't afford to leave, or they're elderly and can't afford to leave. So that's what you get in some of these major metropolitan areas is this chasm of decay, that is people are leaving, businesses are leaving, and then at some point it'll spread to another city because they've hallowed that out. It's almost like a pass where they come in and they just completely dismantle a city and location.

1:24:40 And it used to be that suburbia was kind of a safe place, but now we're seeing where once they eat everything and rot everything out of that city, they'll kind of go ten miles north south east west to another city and start there. Yeah, why not? And if they have those some magnets that says, hey, we're going to coddle and protect you and provide for you even more. All the faster than that contagion will spread and drop roots there until they've sucked everything out of that zip code as well. Doctor Curry Myers, he's the America's applied criminologist. I like that that you are applied and that it demonstrates that you know what you're talking about because it's not theoretical and you know and you've moved it out of there. It's in the practical. He's a retired sheriff and author of the Advent of Feral Man. Doctor Myers, always an honor, and thank you so much for being with us. Take care, my friend, Happy New Year.

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1:29:35 Nutrition for Patriots. Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to have you with us. We've got Jeff Camp, former NFL QB. Just in time. We could be talking football instead of these other important things. But hey, they're the things of the world. But you know, we learned so much, you know, from watching football and and even seeing the response from you know, from grown men. You know, it just you know, especially for us guys, it's it's like the little boy and us really never grows up. I mean, the love for the game and the passion and the emotions of it they continue no matter what age you are, right, Jeff.

1:30:24 Something about teams and pressure and not knowing what's going to happen and seeing it turn out. Well, that's exciting to us. It's what keeps the NFL going on. This college playoffs that are coming tonight, the championship. Yeah, that's right. Well, and of course by the time people see this interview that we're doing now, you know, the college championship will have already been decided and you know, hopefully your team wins. You know, one of them will win, that's for sure. So but over the weekend and the way the playoffs are set up for for next week, you know, with some some great football, you know, And it brings back to mind that that opening to a wide world of sports, you know, the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, right.

1:31:09 And that was my favorite show as a kid growing up, the wide world of sports taking you all over to see ski racing. I used to want to be a ski racer, but I had to settle for pro football, Bill, Yeah, settle for it. Well, Buffalo, where it was nice and cold and racing on the ski slopes was the winter activity. Well, I'm not sure if I had a chance to share with you last week, but I ran across a quote from Mark Twain that I thought was really profound. You said, the two most important days of your life is number one when you're born and number two when you discover why.

1:31:53 He was going to your purpose, right, that's right. You don't just exist. We're made to live for a purpose. I mean going back to God. He made us to steward this world in creative and wonderful, responsible ways, with all sorts of gifts and talents. Everyone's different, there's lots of different roles, but you need to know kind of as Twins said, what's your why? And there was that author recently last fifteen twenty years of Business, author Simon Sinek says, start with why and any venture, figure out your why. Figure out the why, and that motivates people, That clarifies decisions. If the decision is moving you closer to your why, then go there. If it's going to distract from that why, it's not going to take you there.

1:32:44 A lot of people, boy, you know, they want their family to do well, they want to bless their kids, they want their kids to have a great future. But sometimes knowing that that's their why, they might forget and say I'm going to take this job that makes me more money in another city, but it's going to mess up all the schools and the home and the neighborhood and the short commute and the amount of time that you get to have with your family. So remembering what's my why is really crucial to whatever direction you're going. God made us for the purpose. And I think that part of that why, or at least for me anyway, because when I had to stop to look at it, because you know, I was dealing not only with that, but also and you and I touched on this a little bit last week, and that is that the higher calling that God has for us, you know, abandoning the temporal things, the things that are going to fade away, you know, Colossians, Philippians addresses is particularly Philippians is, Brothers, I do not consider myself to have arrived and achieved. I let these things of the world go. I leave these things. I leave behind those things and reach for the higher calling. And what I'm what I'm discovering here in this, in this question, it's about why. Is the why I believe lies in the eternal, the ultimate why. And it's easy to get distracted, as you say, you can have all kinds of worldly success on the football field, making gazillions of dollars and having

1:34:16 fans and a very active and successful following, but ultimately, you know, as you said, that can detract you from the things that are near and dear and maybe more precious. Well, you remember the story, and probably some of our listeners do. In the fifties, there was a young, very athletic, strong, academic young man named Jim Elliott and his why God grabbed a hold of him in college and made him want to be a missionary and take the good news of Jesus to people that had never heard it. And he ended up going to South America as a missionary, and he was pursuing this group people who were resistant to any outsiders. Now, eventually his wife and others were able to present to them the love of God, the story of Jesus, the Gospel, and forgiveness and many many of them embraced him. But they practice cannibalism and murdering at the point that he was trying to reach them, and he actually lost his life in that quest. But in the long term, his wife and others who followed him reached them.

1:35:30 Well. Jim Elliott, who lost his life at age twenty five or something, had this amazing quote that says what you're saying. He is no fool to give up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. So his perspective was, I cannot lose eternity. I cannot lose the love of God. Roman says this, You can never escape God's love. Once you receive it, he is with you forever. There's no more condemnation. Won't be punished for your sin, you won't be banished from him his adopted daughter or son forever. And you have a role in the eternal Kingdom of leading people back to our heavenly Father through Jesus. And that's the gospel message and that kingdom which lives in your heart and my heart and believers in Jesus right now.

1:36:24 While it's an imperfect era, that kingdom will be perfect when Jesus returns everything he tended to be completely lovely, lovely with no tears, no cancer, no death. It's going to be that way. So Jim Elliott gave up his life to help others find that which he couldn't lose, and that is the eternal perspective. That you were expressing a minute ago. So it makes you know, the spiritual formation of your children more important than the sports formation. Right. It makes your character and the grace and dignity you show to people work more important than the dollar that you scratched and clawed and manipulated for advantage to get.

1:37:07 So it gives you a longer term time horizon, a more important purpose. And it all comes down to the word love. We are to love others as Jesus loved us and introduces to him Who's the source of love? You know, as you're saying this, I'm recalling very briefly. I ran across the video last night, and it was it was tough to watch because here is, I believe as a pastor's on an airplane. You know, a lot of crazy stuff going on airplanes these days. Anyway, it looks like it was a pastor who is reading scripture and one of the passengers got really upset and I mean just flat out cold cock this pastor, I mean, just leveled him out. Well, of course, my instinct was, oh, you know, let's get it on, you know kind of deal.

1:37:57 He did nothing pastor took the blow, I mean, because it wasn't some little patty kate kind of hit. I mean, this guy hitting pretty hard, and he just started reading from the word and he stayed the course with this guy and in a few moments and it was an instant. Next thing, you know, he's hugging this guy and the guy was hugging him back. Well, that was pretty much the lifestyle of Martin Luther King. As we celebrate his holiday. One of the most central tenets of his life was to return evil with good and to use love to overcome hatred and to show dignity in the face of indignity. Well, he faced incredible indignity and discrimination and violence was his life was threatened over and over and over, and of course they took his life. But King never resorted to hatred. He did speak truth, but he showed love, was willing to forgive anyone that would apologize.

1:39:03 And come together. And I think that's a legacy for us to take away on this national holiday, that love conquers hate and good is always stronger than evil. And Joseph proved that when he said, you know, don't worry what you meant for evil, God meant for good. That pastor modeled that, Yes, and I think that's what we need to model in each little instance. We may not face something as Severest doctor King who was killed for human rights and dignity and the equality of mankind, or that pastor getting cold cocked out of the blue on a plane, but there's a lot of little indignities that we could show more grace in suffering in the name of love.

1:39:48 Amen. Well, Jeff Camp, how can people be in touch with you? Jeff Kemp Team dot com And I'm doing a zoom Actually, I'm doing a live face book event coaching men with Tony Dungee and former NFL quarterback Matt houseback Thursday night on on Facebook. So if they go to my website, jeffcapteam dot com, men'll find out about that manhood coaching. That's what I'm all about. You got it? Jeff Kemp, former NFLQB Ministry leader and author. Thank you, Jeff. Take care, God bless Zibell. Your holiday to coor is down and suddenly your house looks very January. Coles can help you bring the spark back. No twinkle lights.

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1:44:58 And I believe this why his legacy is so strong and why people hold to it to this day. What do you think. I'm so glad you approached that topic asking about the legacy, because I had a few activities and what they were saying was, oh, let's put on a good show, and I said, I am not prepared to see my uncle Legacy reduced to be in a show exactly. And so everywhere we are now, I believe if you go by his own words, he says, I'm paraphrasing. Never mind that I. Received several awards and no Bill Police Prize and all of it, that I have degrees, he says, tell people I tried to help somebody and his son, dex the king who passed away. A couple of years ago. Dexter did a program with young people, and the question they wanted to know was was he a kind man? He loved God and he served humanity. Now you know Pat Boone right and past our friend right. So Pat had written a song about him a few years ago, and in it he talked about he wasn't a perfect man, but he served a perfect God. And then Pat is a beautiful lyric and my song let freedom ring. Thank God that king had a journey.

1:46:30 So those are my reflections. Well, and you touched on something. He's so key here And this is the word freedom. People don't realize. They think freedom is just another word in the dictionary. But freedom, freedom comes from God. And look around, what's happening around the world today. Freedom is breaking out because God is up to his God thing, isn't he God? God? Think, righteousness and justice appear to get and that's obedience and surrender to God with water divine order, and out of that flows opportunities for success and blessings and liberty.

1:47:12 Liberty and freedom do come from God. And I think the Bible, if you don't mind me reminding people in the spirit, there's no male or female bond or free labor, free only Christ, God and all. And where the liberty of the Lord is, yes, there is freedom. And that's for all of us who accept that message. Right, the spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, who went to the cross to free us, to liberate us. And you know, and you look at all all the different areas of the world, whether it's Iran or Minneapolis where there's such chaos and everything. I mean, it's a clear delineation right that it's about good and evil. So you don't need to be a genie is here to figure this out.

1:48:02 Right, I said that earlier. I've been doing interviews all day and people ay keep asking about either Minnesota or the Middle East and all these various issues and I said, they said, well, what do you think about ice? I stay. Well, in my uncle's day, that would have been tantamount to call in the National Guardian. To stop the riot. So I speak, and so I said that what my uncle taught us to do. I was a youth organizer in the nineteen sixties before he was killed, and what we were talking to do was to demonstrate or protest peacefully. The problem occurs not with the protest, but not protesting peacefully, and people need to know the difference.

1:48:48 They really did, right well, because doctor King again was reaching out for that higher calling that year. You know the fact that we're all made in the image of God. And as you've said repeatedly on our shows previously and consistently, Doctor King, that were all of one blood. One blood, one human rights. Yeah right, And so when you think about made imagiodeo, made in the image of God, as C. S. Lewis said, when I ponder that, I consider that I've never met a mere human being, right, did. He do mere humanity? Or yes, it referred to and it's not mere because he's one of us.

1:49:32 We are all actually unique yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, holy and unique wo woven together in our mother's womb with all that we would need. I ran across this, this quote from Mark Twain the other day. I'll share this with you because it really stopped me in my tracks. He said, Uh yeah, he said, there's two days that are most important in person's life. Number one is your birth. Number two is when you discover why. I'm familiar and you know, I know you're here too.

1:50:13 You have to be. But it's finally dawned to me God, I'm here to serve you and to please you and to do your biddings, and therein I am blessed. So there's no anxiety. Why am I here? What am I going to do? How am I gonna do? You know? Some get it early, some get it late. I was a little bit late, but I did get it. So thank God, Thank God for his grace and mercy right help. I know, I hear you. You know this is I also wanted to talk to you because as an evangelist's founder and founder for Speak for Life, this topic has always been near and dear to both our hearts, and that is life. Mother Teresa said, any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants. I mean talk about selfishness of our humanity, and we can be selfish, but God calls us to that higher calling.

1:51:11 And we're reminded this month that there is sanctity of life to be celebrated. Right, we have the March for Life this month. Even when Roe v. Wade was overturned, we already knew when people are gonna people say keep the baby. They don't know how and they may not have the hearts that pass parents repore. So we're going to have to teach and embrace and to help during this time period. So the work is not over, it's just shifted to even serving more and to serve that community, that mom, that dad, those grandparents, that family, and they need our help. Then they do exactly. And the thing is is that we have local centers throughout communities across the country that are helping this option. Adoption is in.

1:52:03 That's awesome, cleaning up the adoption cleaning up the foster system so the kids don't get hurt in that either, and yes, awesome healthy adoption. Right. And I'm associated with the Knights of Columbus and today Elvido we have donated over two thousand sonograms to these pregnancy centers and counting it. I mean there, it is such a heart amongst the Knights to do this and promote life, because we know that when women see what's inside and what's growing with them, this miracle that they're carrying with them, they say, I can't do that.

1:52:43 That's my baby. Oh that's a baby, that's my baby. So yeah, it helps, it does. It's amazing. Yes, I think it's estimated that something like ninety ninety five percent of the women that see the sonogram change their mind. This is why planned parenthood has stopped them and kept them from that information. Yes, as a matter of fact, you know, I did have abortions and a miscarriage. I saw the sonograand of my son, who's a grown man now married with his own son. I said, wait a minute, that's a little hard that's little hands. Oh no, I can't do this. So I saw it was a called the ultrasound sonogram back then. That's ultratown, you know. And I stayed at home.

1:53:30 So you're right, you're right. Well, And the other thing I wanted to address with you was Congress's allowance in this budget debate to again fund planned parenthood. I mean there's something fishy. I know it's tied into other things, but you know, to bargain life for political purposes. I think it's disgusting. It is. And even with our president, and I know that he benas abortion is disgusting. He said that, and he's done quite a bit for the cause for life. But the story is not over yet. And what we need to do midterms is to get some different people in Congress. Would you please remind people little bet and so something can be done after the midtimes.

1:54:16 As well, if we get some more people in. There, Albeita, How can we get people to understand the sense of urgency and how critical this is. I mean, this is this is so foundational life him God says, I mean, it is such the basis of our humanity. You know what, what can we do, short of maybe Jonah himself being spit out by a whale on the on the shores of the United States to get people to wake up? Well, you've got to do what you're doing. Stay in these air ways, I will too, and out in the battle. Fill on the ground and recruit and get more of these young people. Let them know of good news. And the Gospel of Christ and the sanctity of life. And as we continue to do that and stay diligent in every gener race, every decade, every platform, every genre, as the human race, and don't ever lose hope, don't think it's impossible, and keep that faith, keep that hope, and keep that love.

1:55:23 That's what we must do right now today. Well, and I think that's one of the reasons why Charlie Kirk was assassinated elvid Is. And he was telling us young people. He was telling go get married, have children. I mean, he was echoing what God said said to his creat. The Word of God says, you'll. Be fruitful and multiply. Right. Absolutely, you got one more question. I've got to leave you. I've got it. I'm saying, Hey, I'm gonna let you wrap it up right now. We got fifteen seconds. Go ahead, summarize and bring us home, if you would. This little song, this little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine, let it shine, let us shine, let us shine be a light my friends.

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