Jan. 20, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 01 20 26

The Bill Martinez Show 01 20 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 01 20 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Good morning America. Bill Martinez here six minutes after the

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top of the r Nick Bryant is back with us,

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the veteran investigative journalist and who has become the twenty

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year Epstein expert.

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Dick huh, Yeah, we're coming up on twenty years. Actually,

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it's been twenty two years that I've well, actually thirteen

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years since I first started investigating Epstein.

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Well, you know, when you started investigating him, what drew

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you to him? You said, Hey, I got to follow this.

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I had written a book called The Franklin Scandal, a

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story of powerbroker's child abu some betrayal, and it was

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about an interstate child trafficking network that was covered up

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by federal and state authorities. I spent seven years on

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that book and I couldn't get I live in New

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York City, which is the mecca of publishing, but I

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couldn't get anybody to touch it. Finally, a publisher on

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the West Coast, a small publisher on the West Coast,

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published it, and I was very grateful but what I

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saw with the Franklin scannal and what I saw with

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Ebstein looked similar.

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With Ebstein, there were.

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A number of victims that were reported to be molested

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by him, and there was a grand jury that looked

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into Ebstein's child abuse, and the grand jury concluded that

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no children had been abused. And that was the same

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thing that happened in the Franklin scandal. Grand jurors are

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very susceptible to being corrupted, and I can get into

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that if.

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You want me to.

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But I went down to Florida in twenty twelve and

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I just started knocking on doors and I eventually got

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Emstein's Black Book, and the victims are under massage. It's

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kind of a euphemism, and a lot of the victim

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there's one hundred and seventy four people that are under massage,

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and a lot of them were underage girls. And I

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started to call them and they told me about being

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flown around. One told me about being flown around to

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an island. So I quickly realized what I had written about,

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and the Franklin scandal was very similar to what was

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going on with Epstein.

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Well before we get into Epstein, you know, you touch

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on the Franklin scandal, just to kind of bring people

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up to speed on that. Tell us a little bit

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more in the background of the Franklin scandal.

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Franklin scandal was a it's about a pedophile network that

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was active in the nineteen eighties and it was covered

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up towards the.

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End of the eighties and into the early nineties.

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And the center of the Franklin scandal was Omaha, Nebraska,

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and kids would be flown all over.

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The country, much like we're seeing with Epstein.

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A lot of I managed to acquire the Seal Grand

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jury testimony and exhibits one of the grand juries that

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declared that not a single child been abused, and a

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lot of the flight logs went to Washington, d C.

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And in Washington, d C.

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There was a party house that was right for audiovisial

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blackmail and it was owned by a ciasset named Craik Spence,

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and politicians and other powerbrokers that would go to those parties.

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The parties would start out as like generally a pretty

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standard political party with.

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Cotails and things like that, and then at.

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A certain point, maybe at ten or eleven, something inappropriate

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would happen. Someone would fire up a joint, or coke

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would break out, or something sexually explicit would go down,

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and the people that didn't want to stick around for

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that would split. But then the people that did, and

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you got to keep in mind that they had been

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plied with alcohol, oh sure would be compromised. And I

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look at and Lawrence King was the one in Omaha

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that got the kids or a lot of the kids,

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and Craig Spence was the one in DC that he

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got kids too, But he was the cisset who was

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who was a blackmailer. And I kind of look at

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King is like Dwayne Maxwell, and I look at Craig

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Spence as Jeffrey Epstein.

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You know, it almost smacks of you know, Hoover's you

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talk about black book in the files he held on

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politicians And as you say, in DC, interesting that that

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was the epicenter and that you had a lot of

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kids going in in d C. And so how much

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of these perpetrators were they politicians or were they all

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or what I.

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Think that they were politicians and captains of industry and

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also people in the media. What we're seeing with Epstein

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is politicians and captains of industry and science people. But

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most of the people in the Franklin scandal that I'm

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aware of were politicians, captains of industry, and also people.

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In the media.

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And here you have a grand jury that meets and says, hey,

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there's nothing here, right.

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Well, what happens with grand juris is a special prosecutor

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has chosen and he presents or she presents evidence to

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the grand jurors, who are just people that have shown

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up for jury duty and then they've been funneled to

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a grand jury. So they have no idea of what's

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happening except what the special prosecutor shows them. So there

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was a new or extreme court justice that said special

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prosecutors have so much power over grandeurs that they could

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get them to indict a ham sandwich.

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Damn sandwich yet right, and.

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Both the grand juries in Nebraska there was a state

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gr injury and a federal grandjury declared that a single

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child hadn't been used. And I've got the transcripts for one,

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and then Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida released the transcripts

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of the Epstein injury, and it was appalling. At that

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point law enforcement was aware of I think about twenty

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one kids, and they had the statements of five and

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only two of the kids were called. And one had

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been molested when she was fourteen, she was now sixteen,

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been molessed multiple times when she was sixteen and she

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was now eighteen. And Lena Belo Loovok, who was a

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special prosecutor, just destroyed those kids. And she was calling

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one a prostitute, and then the engageers picked up on that,

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and so she essentially indicted a ham sandwich. And I

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can't believe that there hasn't been anything punitive against her.

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But that's that's the Epstein case. Everything is turned on

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its head.

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Well, it's what's surprising to me is you said here

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it is you have as an investigator, You've got this information,

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you got the Black Book, you got all this background.

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But yet people are yelling and screaming about they need

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to see the files. I mean, how much more do

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we need to see here?

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Nick?

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Well, actually, if the Justice Department had a will, I

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don't think we need anything else. We know who a

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lot of the perpetrators are, and we know who a

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lot of the procurers are, and according to the federal government,

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there's twelve hundred victims. So if the Department of Justice

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that the Department of Justice couldn't panel a grand jury

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next week and subpoena the procures, and the procures once

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they were looking at child trafficking is a heavy sentence

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in the federal system. It's fifteen to life. So if

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the procures were looking at five indictments of child trafficking,

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which would be five life sentences, potentially five life sentences

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did roll over on the purpse, and then we've got

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lots of victims to discuss how they were abused by

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the purpose. So we wouldn't need any more information. We

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just need a will by our government to prosecute pedophiles.

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Well, you know, you have Pam Bondi saying hey, I've

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got the information. She kind of teased it, said she

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was going to release it, and here all of a sudden,

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things are stalled out. We've got to go to quick break, Nick,

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So let's you know, we'll come back, we'll talk about this.

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I also want to talk about another area too that

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maybe you have some knowledge of as well. So stay

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with us. We've got more from the investigative journalist and

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Nick Bryan, the

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investigative journalists, and we're talking the Epstein files. Uh, Nick,

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So what is it with Pambondi? I mean she says

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she is, she doesn't, and of course then you get

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a situation where you know, people are really getting antsy

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about this. I mean, this is really detracting from even

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Donald Trump to the point that he's at the Ford

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Motor Plant and a Heckler you know, refers to him

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as a pedophile protector, and he didn't take too nice

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of it. In fact, he gave him the one finger salute.

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Right well.

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Pam Bondy initially told us that there were thousands of hours,

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and the actually there is thousands of hours because we

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know that a couple of hard drives were taken out

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of Jeffrey Epstein's safe in New York and also discs,

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and that was one of the first things the FEDS

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did after Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen, was opened

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up at safe and see what he had, and Pam

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Bondy initially told us that there was child abuse material

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or child pornography that had Epstein molesting children, and then

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the Department of Justice came out with the July fifth

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document that said that no one signed, but it was

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from the FBI and the Department of Justice that said

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Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell acted alone, and the child

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abuse material, the thousands of hours of child abuse material

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in Jeffrey Ebstein's safe was downloaded from the internet. So

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Ma'm Bondi is contradicting herself from what she previously said.

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And I believe that the Trump administration thought that this

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would be enough that they could close the door on

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Jeffrey Epstein. But people, child sexual abuse and child sexual

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trafficking is really maybe the most heinous of crimes.

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Oh, I would think exactly. So who's being protected here?

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Nick Well, I believe I've written three books about ci

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blackmail Franklin scandal, and then I also wrote it was

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originally called Confessions of a DC mappam of the Politics

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of sex, lies and Blacks. Now it's called Compromised, and

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also another book. And I think I believe this and

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Tim Burshett who is a sitting congressman from Tennessee. He

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said that his colleagues were being compromised in honeypots.

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He came out and stead of the sitting in Congress.

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Right through my research and I've.

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Been researching this since two thousand and two, two thousand

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and three, I believe that our political system is rife

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with blackmail. I think that Donald Trump might be protecting

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some of his friends, but he's also protecting a system

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that's rife with blackmail.

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You know.

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you know, donors, champions in industry, and again, the nature

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of this, as heinous as it is, and what we're

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realizing is much more pervasive. The one thing sidebar I

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just wanted because I had been following this for quite

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a while. I'm from southern California and been in the

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media for many years, and I am still appalled at

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the lack of information coming out for these child stars

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that had been molested, many too many ended up committing suicide,

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the effects that had on their lives, and that it

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still amazes me how what's happened in Hollywood amongst these

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young kids and how they were abused how that's been

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skirted around.

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Well, the system, I hate to say, is almost perfect

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because you take kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, generally, from

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dysfunctional families generally, and then they get molested repeatedly, and

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generally drugs are the carot for these kids, and at

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some point they lose their youthful marketability and then they're

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just expunged. And what you have is a young adult

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who has been repeatedly molested and chances are is a

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drug adictor has problems with alcoholism, and.

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They and what kind of future spouse or parent is

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this child going to be having gone through this kind

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of abuse.

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Well, not only that, but they a lot.

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I saw this with the Franklin scale, not so much

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with the Epstein scandal. Is they go on to compromise

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their own credibility by committing.

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Crimes to support their drug habit.

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Yeah, and you know, I think we've.

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Seen that in the Hollywood kids too. Well.

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Yeah, and the kids, like you say, for the Hollywood kids,

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the enticement is, hey, you're going to be a star.

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You're going to be on the big screen, and and

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you know, and here time and time again. But you know,

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and maybe Hollywood is thankful in some sense that the

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focus is on Epstein because it takes it takes a

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spotlight away from them. But you know the reality of

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it all, Nick, And what I've been able to observe

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is that this is so pervasive and so disgusting that

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it really compromises the very foundation of our civility and

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our culture, does it not.

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It's, as I said, political system that's rife with compromise

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or compromat is going to be. We're going to end

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up with the political system that we Yeah.

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And.

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We as citizens of America.

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Feel that we have no that we have no voice,

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and a government that's gone wayward, and that becomes the

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problem is the government becomes wayward and it feels like

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it has doesn't have to respond to checks and balances.

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Yeah. Well, Nick, and I think part of it is

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that nobody's claiming sainthood here. I mean, we're all humanoids.

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We all have our bucket of sins if you want

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to call them in that that you know, infractions or

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whatever it is you want to refer to them as.

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We all have our issues that we deal with. Nobody's

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perfect here, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable and

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others accountable. Then, like you said, we end up yielding

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to the kind of government that we are dealing with

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right now, and all this chaos, I mean, all this

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Natzi stuff. I mean where you have what you would

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otherwise think are very smart people can't even answer the

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question if a man can get pregnant. I mean, this

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is up to isn't it.

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Well, what we're seeing is horrific.

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But you've got to keep in mind that our Department

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of Justice and FBI, that two most important law enforcement

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arms in the United States of America, are covering up

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for child molesters.

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Because they're using that information, as you said, and that's

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why I mentioned early on this just so smacks of

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JEdgar Hoover's files that he kept right.

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Yes, I believe that compromount is at play here, but

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as Americans, we have to hold our government accountable for this.

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We cannot let the government cover up the molestation of children.

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And that's why I started Emstein Justice because we want

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initially one thing. We want an independent congressional commission that

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incorporates non governmental personnel. And we want that independent congressional

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commission to answer two questions, why is the government covering

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up challenge trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

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Very simple baseline things.

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I mean, all this illegal immigration we had and a

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lot of kids and human trafficking that's taken place. Does

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this call work together hand in glove, Nick.

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Well, human trafficking is I think a horrific problem in

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the United States. If you want to go with the

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Centers for Disease Control, just go with their numbers. Twenty

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five percent of underage girls have been molested in five

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percent of underage boys. And many studies have found that

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that's kind of conservative for underage girls and white conservative

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for underage boys because men are reluctant to talk about

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being molested.

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But anyway, if you just go with the CBC.

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Numbers, you've got over fifty million Americans that have been

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molested and as when they were underage. And that's a

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huge pool to pool from when you're trafficking children.

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Yeah, exactly. And again it creates a perception and a

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you know, like you said, in a sense in scientific terms,

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kind of a culture of where this dysfunction can run amock.

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And so it's important, it's critical, I believe, to our

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civilization into our country that we pursue the truth, no

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matter how painful it may be and no matter where

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it leads. Nick Brian is an investigative journe list. He's

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the director of Epstein Justice dot com. And Nick, thank

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Absolutely? Look when Syria erupted into civil war, more than

480
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.839
six million Syrians fled. Remember, Iran is a country more

481
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.680
than four times the size of Syria. Now, what actually

482
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.880
makes this perhaps even inevitable is.

483
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.680
That if Iran.

484
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.279
Falls into civil war and there likely won't be a

485
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:17.640
smooth succession should there be a change in regime, then

486
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.599
of course you're gonna have a wave of refugees. But

487
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.240
if the Islamic Republic reasserts control, the way they do

488
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.519
this is not only by shooting the crowds in the street,

489
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.799
which we've now seen, but also by hosting a number

490
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.079
of public executions.

491
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:37.599
After the facts.

492
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.480
So if it looks like the Iatla Ali Kamene's gonna

493
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.359
be victorious, I would expect many Iranians to pick up

494
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.559
and flee. The question is are we ready for that?

495
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.880
And remember the Trump administration cut one third of its

496
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.799
donations to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. People

497
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.480
could say that's wasteful. I would actually argue that UNHCR

498
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:06.440
unlike many other UN agencies, is actually actually provides a

499
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:07.599
lot of bang for the buck.

500
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.279
So you regret to Trump's decision to pull that money away,

501
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:15.640
or we may end up having to come back because

502
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.960
of the necessity if in fact we start having Iranian

503
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.480
refugees fleeing the country.

504
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.480
Well, let me put it this way.

505
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:28.480
Traditionally, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has taken

506
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:33.000
this expanse of sort of European socialist West European approach

507
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.359
that there is never a migrant and that wasn't a

508
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:40.559
legitimate refugee. On January first, twenty twenty six, Barhamsala, the

509
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.039
former President of Iraq, became the UN High Commissioner for

510
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.160
Refugees and he takes it back to the future approach,

511
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.519
which was in nineteen fifty one, the UN Convention defined

512
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.039
a refugee as someone that was fleeing war and you

513
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.119
would settle them right away in the first place they

514
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:58.720
ended up.

515
00:30:59.079 --> 00:30:59.519
None of this.

516
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.039
Refugees can go wherever they want, and Barham Sala wants

517
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:03.359
to go.

518
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:04.680
Back to that definition.

519
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.880
I would actually argue that right now we have more

520
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.319
to gain from actually working with UNHCR than working against them,

521
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.200
and I would actually note that UNHCR has actually been

522
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:21.960
helping the Trump administration establish registration centers along our southern border,

523
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.920
so it's not as if they're these internationalists that we

524
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.599
need necessarily to oppose.

525
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:31.599
Well, that's good to have an understandable and updated understanding

526
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:36.200
of what you know the United Nations, you know, Refugee

527
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.640
Center is doing, and how they've revised their doctrine.

528
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.319
Indeed, look, it's always a long term battle. It's a

529
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.799
battle of interpretation. But even though we're going off on

530
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.440
a tangent here, traditionally the head of the United Nations

531
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.839
High Commissioner for Refugees was always a European. There was

532
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.599
an exception with the Japanese once and pre revolutionary Iran

533
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.319
barham Sala, who used to president of Iraq. Is unique

534
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.400
because he's the first High Commissioner that was actually a

535
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.119
refugee himself, not once, but twice, and therefore comes with

536
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.400
a different perspective and has traditionally been known in Washington

537
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.000
and in the United Kingdom as someone who we can

538
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.359
work with, and not only Democrats can work with.

539
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.480
Well, I know you say it's a little bit of attenent,

540
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.720
but I think it's important because this is a possibility,

541
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.160
and I think we need to get in front of

542
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.240
this to where we could be proactive as opposed to

543
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.559
reactive too often are as you know, I mean, you've

544
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:37.000
been advising our government and other officials for years. We

545
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.759
seem to be a little late to the game here.

546
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.519
So the fact that you're bringing this to the awareness

547
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.480
and we get a little bit in front and more anticipatory,

548
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.039
I think is a positive thing, don't you.

549
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.079
I do, Look, Bill, you know me, and you know

550
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.920
that I'm quite conservative, and I'm also very cynical about

551
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.559
the United Nations. I strongly believe in reforming it, but

552
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.480
I prefer to go after it with a scalpel rather

553
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.759
than an axe. So the aside from you and HCR,

554
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.480
the World Food Program does good work. And I would

555
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.079
say that the other thing which the United Nations does

556
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.960
that perhaps the United States can't do or can't do

557
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.160
as cheaply is some of the peacekeeping missions. So, for example,

558
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.559
you've had successful peacekeeping missions in Sierra Leone and Liberia

559
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:24.119
and kotifoar. What made them successful is when they were finished,

560
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.279
they got up and they disbanded. Then you have these

561
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.599
wasteful or peacekeeping missions in Congo and Cyprus and so

562
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.119
forth in Morocco that go on and on and on

563
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.480
costs billions of dollars and basically become an entitlement for

564
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.400
Pakistani or Bangladeshi peacekeepers. The fact of matter is, we've

565
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.799
got to separate the wheat from the chaff, because it's

566
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.480
a lot cheaper to actually prevent a civil war than

567
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.079
to actually deal with the ramifications.

568
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.920
Of one, well exactly, And you know, and to that end,

569
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.640
I think that you know, the Supreme Court is still

570
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:03.319
dealing with the Trump's tariff moves and that you know,

571
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.359
if it's constitutional or not. But when you look at

572
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.840
the benefit of what Trump has done in utilizing tariffs

573
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.079
to settle disputes and not let them you know, bust

574
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:18.079
into a war that could you know, impact neighbors and

575
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.719
other things, how do you think that's going to play out?

576
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:22.000
Well?

577
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.119
Look, I mean I can quiple with Donald Trump, and

578
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.519
I certainly do because I also tend to be a

579
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.000
traditional free marketeer, and I worry that whatever gains we

580
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.559
get from tariffs in the in the short term actually

581
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.599
a rod or economy in the long term, so that

582
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.000
that's actually part of a broader debate. That said, I

583
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.079
have absolutely no problem with using all the mechanisms of

584
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.320
US power in order to fulfill US interests. You know,

585
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.719
we've talked about this before though, but in US military

586
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.039
academies they teach something called the dime paradigm, that every

587
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:57.199
strategy should have a diplomatic, informational, military, and economic component

588
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.679
to it. And what traditionally American administration haven't understood is

589
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.199
the whole is thet greater than the sum of the parts.

590
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.559
You don't want to just sequence it where you start

591
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.679
with diplomacy and if that doesn't work, you try economy

592
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.719
and so forth. You got to do them all at

593
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.880
once if you're going to actually be successful.

594
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.800
Exactly well, and it seems that the Trump administration has

595
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.719
embraced that more than previous administrations. Michael am I ruying.

596
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:24.840
No, That's exactly what I'm saying.

597
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.599
And that's where, while we can quibble about sanctions and

598
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.400
some of the economic tools, where I do think Trump

599
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.760
is on the right track is actually integrating all the

600
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.599
tools of power in order to have a coherent outcome

601
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.320
or coherent goal to which we're aiming.

602
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.599
Well, focusing again on your run, Trump is laid out

603
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.719
a red line, and it seems the Iyatola is crossing

604
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:53.280
that line. We get mixed reports. Originally was we heard

605
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.119
maybe three thousand people have been murdered. Now we're hearing,

606
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:00.440
you know, thousands upon thousands, twenty thousand plus possibly that

607
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:03.199
are being murdered in what you suggested. Could you know?

608
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:09.000
Because that's what happens when governments get disrupted like this,

609
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.760
then there becomes a force factor that comes into play.

610
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:18.159
And is this going to drag America into Iran? To

611
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.159
settle it? You know, to settle this conflict.

612
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.320
I don't think anyone's aiming for boots on the ground,

613
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.000
but I see three historical parallels very quickly. Number one

614
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.280
was George H. W. Bush in nineteen eighty nine with

615
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.760
Canneman Square. The second was George H. W. Bush when

616
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.199
he called upon the people of Iraq on February fifteenth,

617
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.239
nineteen ninety one to rise up and throw off the dictator.

618
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.239
And the third was Barack Obama's red line with Syrian

619
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.480
chemical weapons. In each of those cases, we stood down,

620
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.559
and it led to much greater conflict. If George Bush

621
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.880
had sided with the Chinese protesters, not with troops, but

622
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.000
in other ways back in nineteen eighty nine, then perhaps

623
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.440
we wouldn't be talking about a future war with China. Likewise,

624
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.920
in nineteen ninety one an Iraq that set us down

625
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:02.239
the path to a future war.

626
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:03.719
Now, if you.

627
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.039
Actually had to say, policy practitioner, how would you actually

628
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.280
solve this problem? I would say that what Trump should

629
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.360
do is take the Cargoil terminal. It's fifteen miles off

630
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.159
the coast of Iran and ninety five percent of Iran's

631
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.360
oil exports go through it. If Iran can't export it

632
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.800
to oil, it can't pay the people that are shooting

633
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:24.159
the crowds in the street. That's how you end this

634
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:25.159
thing quickly.

635
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.320
Somewhat similar to Venezuela.

636
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:33.920
Right, Somewhat similar to Venezuela. The difference is that in

637
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.679
Iran you have this chokehold. Now you may remember him,

638
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.840
but the commander of US Pacific Command under Jimmy Carter

639
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.320
was a guy named James ace Lyons, and when the

640
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.079
hostages were taken in Iran, he came up with this

641
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.719
idea to blockade all the Irani imports and take the

642
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:56.119
Cargoil terminal until Iran released the hostages. Jimmy Carter said no,

643
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.320
and we had our hostages there for four hundred and

644
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.480
forty four hundred and forty five days. I would say

645
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.159
it's time to revive a Slion's plan and I think

646
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.000
we could again end this very quickly.

647
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:08.880
Got to go to quick Break. We've got more from

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doctor Michael Rubin after this, stay with us.

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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Rubin.

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UH.

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Doctor Michael Rubin is a Director of Pulsey Analysis at

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the Middle East Forum and a Senior Fellow at the

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American Enterprise Institute. Let's switch our focus to greenland. You

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know I think Trump has made some rather aggressive statements.

731
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You know, it bothered me, you know, truthfully, that he

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came so aggressively. I think there's a way to make

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nice and maybe achieve our ends. But Donald Trump and

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Donald Trump ways sometimes, you know, I think he gets

735
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he gets in front of his skis a little bit.

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That's my opinion.

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Oh, you're absolutely right. Well, you know, I've spent some

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time in Greenland. I can give you anecdotes about going

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to a Chinese restaurant in Greenland and having General sus

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Seal which was quite bitterly on the menu, and wayl

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Lo Maine. At any rate, what we should have done

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with Greenland is what we've done with countries like Micronesia,

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where we take charge of their defense but they technic

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and their foreign policy. But they have independence. And unfortunately,

745
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I think Donald Trump's rhetoric has set a wedge. The

746
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Greenlanders originally wanted independence, and they could have had it

747
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with a protective agreement. Unfortunately that shit may have sailed.

748
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So he's really made it more difficult for Marco Rubio

749
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and JD. Vance to come up with something. How are

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they going to cut this baby in half? Or is

751
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it just impossible.

752
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I think it may just be impossible. Put it this way,

753
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if Trump wants to take Greenland, he will take Greenland.

754
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The question is whether NATO can survive something like that.

755
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Yeah, that's exactly right. And meanwhile, I mean when you

756
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look at, for example, when you go back historically and

757
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saw what we did with Alaska, right, and that was

758
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a strategic move that really paid off incredible benefits. And

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you know, hopefully and prayerfully I say, is that if

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we can find something there, I think it's a strategic

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move for America to partner up with Greenland in such

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a way, because I still think they're vulnerable. I think

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after this thing settles down, Greenland realizes that they're kind

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of like the almost forgotten stepchild of Denmark, are they not?

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They were? And look when I was there.

766
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I was there in two thousand and seven as a tourist,

767
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and then I had an extended state because Air Greenland

768
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went on strike. You can talk about West European labor

769
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unions and so forth, and so I got stranded in Greenland.

770
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But you're absolutely right. I would say a much better

771
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analogy you're absolutely right with Alaska would be to Hawaii

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and then of course, some of the South Pacific territories,

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some of which we've allowed to become independent under an

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American umbrella. That's ultimately what we should have done, rather

775
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than broker this confrontation in the way we have.

776
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So it's gonna extend this and instead of probably something

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done in a in a more congenial way, possibly in

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the Trump administration. Like you say, if Trump wants it,

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he's gonna be aggressive, He'll make it happen. And I

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think that that's gonna be a problem, I think for

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the citizenry of America, because we don't you know, we

782
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don't like that kind of bravado.

783
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I think no, I think you're absolutely right. Look, the

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benefit even if we don't take Greenland is Denmark and

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NATO are now taking Greenlandic security seriously in a way

786
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they never have before. It's sort of like Trump's rhetoric

787
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during his first term suddenly led all the NATO countries

788
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to pony up. Perhaps that is what Donald Trump is doing,

789
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but I don't want to discount the fact that Donald

790
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Trump actually means what he says exactly.

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Let's talk to Ukraine, Russia. Where are we.

792
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Ultimately, it's very easy to say we want to have

793
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a we're going to impose a peace agreement between Russia

794
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and Ukraine that this is going to win Donald Trump

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the Nobel Prize. What I like in it too, however,

796
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is having a ribbon cutting for a skyscraper whose foundations

797
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haven't even been built. It's one thing to try to

798
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impose this agreement, it's another thing to tell the Ukrainians

799
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that they need to give up their freedom. And I'll

800
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be blunt on this. I think Donald Trump is wrong.

801
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I think the Ukrainians are right. And if you incentivize

802
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an appease, even after the fact Russian aggression, it's only

803
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going to repeat.

804
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Yeah, you're inviting more of the same. I mean people

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do that which they get rewarded for. Putin and I'm

806
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with you on this, Michael, And I've said this from

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day one. Putin cannot be rewarded for this action.

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No, You're absolutely right. I think it was.

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In July of twenty twenty one, Vladimir Putin published a

810
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long essay in a Kremlin journal talking about Ukraine, and

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his main thesis was Ukraine is artificial. There is no

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such thing as Ukrainian. They have no right to exist.

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When you're motivated by that same sort of that ideology.

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You can't compromise it with it. It's like the Islamic

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Republic's ideology towards the state of Israel. When you don't

816
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believe that they have a right to exist, How do

817
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you actually have a diplomatic agreement?

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How do you get Putin to the bargaining table without

819
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going nuclear?

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I mean, ultimately, I don't think Putin will go to

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the bargaining table. I think what you're doing is you're

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looking at a model like North Korea and South Korea,

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where you have an armist you might have a ceasefire,

824
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but you don't have a piece. And that lasts in

825
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the Russia and Ukraine's case until Vladimir Putin dropstead of

826
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natural causes.

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Right, I mean they're talking, you know, like a DMZ

828
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zone similar to your point, like North and South Korea.

829
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Well, absolutely, the difference is you do it on Ukrainian's

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terms rather than force Ukraine first to see territory, because

831
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again I don't believe that Russia is sincere in maintaining

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any agreement. Remember Russia has twice in nineteen ninety one

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with Almati Declaration and then in nineteen ninety four with

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a Budapest Miran mirandum affirmed Ukraine's sovereignty over all of

835
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Ukraine's territory. Fumi wants Fumi twice? Are you going to

836
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make the same mistake three times?

837
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What's the best we can hope for here, Michael?

838
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I mean, I think the best we can hope for

839
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right now is Vladimir Zelenski to continue for Europe, if

840
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not the United States to support him so that he

841
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can resist Russian aggression and then ALTI once Vladimir Putin

842
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is out of the picture again of natural causes, then

843
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we can try to have a much more sustainable piece.

844
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What is this doing for NATO? I mean, is this

845
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embolding NATO? I mean, as you mentioned earlier, you know,

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Trump has put a lot of pressure on them, you know,

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to pony up and pay their fair share. And I

848
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think just about all. I think there's still one, was

849
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it Spain that's still hesitant to come up to a standard.

850
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But I think overall, I mean, Donald Trump's been good

851
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for NATO.

852
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I would agree.

853
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Look, recessions create stress tests for banks, and the strong

854
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banks survive and the weak banks fall apart. What we've

855
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seen with the Russia Ukraine War is really NATO's greatest

856
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stress tests. And the fact is Ukraine has become more coherent,

857
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more cooperative, and has shown that it is a force

858
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with which to be reckoned. Donald Trump and Steve Witkoff

859
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.920
might not fully understand that, but I can guarantee you

860
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that Vladimir Putin US.

861
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.840
Well yeah, I mean, look at this was a war

862
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that was only going to last a week, right.

863
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.079
Oh yeah, I mean Vladimir Putin thought he was going

864
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to be in Kiev in three days.

865
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Right. Well, you know it says a lot about the Ukrainians, right.

866
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Well, absolutely, and this is one of those things that

867
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can't be bargained away. I mean, look, there's any number

868
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of issues which I think our intelligence community needs to

869
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.079
have an after actions report study. How did they get

870
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things so wrong? We could talk about Iraq WMD, but

871
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this whole thing with Russia and Ukraine is another factor.

872
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.039
People forget that in February twenty twenty two, when this

873
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was first starting, that Jake Sullivan, based on US intelligence

874
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at the time, of course, he was Biden's National security

875
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advisor was trying to get Vladim Vladimir Zelensky to I'm sorry,

876
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President Zelenski, Volodimir Zelensky to flee and the fact of matters,

877
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thank god Zelensky.

878
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Didn't right exactly well. And the thing is, again we're reminded,

879
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as Obama famously noted, elections have consequences, and what is it.

880
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I mean, it just seems like when it comes to

881
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:12.559
military action and things, the Democratic Party just does a

882
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.280
terrible job. I mean, we already heard, you know, Gates

883
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.519
had already said that when it came to foreign policy

884
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.519
in his forty years of relationship with Joe Biden, he

885
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.920
didn't get anything right, and of course that continued on

886
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.519
through his presidency. And it just seems to be something

887
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.840
that I don't know about the Democratic Party that when

888
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:35.920
it comes to military operations, they just seemed to be

889
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off the mark. Here.

890
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.199
Well, let me put it this way. During the Cult War, we.

891
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Had communists, we had anti communists, and then we had

892
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.559
some people that wanted to be anti anti communists.

893
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They couldn't care.

894
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About Soviet tyranny, but they just wanted to defeat the

895
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.880
people that were trying to oppose Soviet tyranny.

896
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Unfortunately, in the.

897
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US Congress now and there's a bit of this in

898
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both parties, depending on the administration. We have people that

899
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:08.000
are not anti tyranny, they're anti whoever's trying to oppose tyranny.

900
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If they happen to be of the opposite party in

901
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the White House.

902
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It's so goofy. It's it's a wonder that our government

903
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even operates in any kind of level of competency because

904
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:27.960
of all this, you know, this just variance of mission.

905
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.840
You know, what is it? What is it all about? Here?

906
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.960
And I and I think that Trump has really has

907
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.000
his head is hands full because he's fighting wars at

908
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.519
every turn. I mean within his own party. You know.

909
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.239
The Democrats, of course, they are who they are. And

910
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and with the this obvious come out of the closet

911
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:51.760
Democratic socialist movement. Uh boy, I'll tell you, the sides

912
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.840
are being pretty well pretty well identified here, are they not?

913
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.679
They absolutely are. The question is whether what we're seeing

914
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.760
right now an anomaly or whether it's the new normal.

915
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And America has had its strongest when we have someone

916
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.679
like Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil who can put their

917
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:14.320
partisan differences aside in order to work together for the

918
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.159
broader American interests. Unfortunately, when it comes to the White House,

919
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.519
and when it comes to Congress, those days seem to

920
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.920
be passed in America is all the worse for it.

921
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.280
Well, it just seems like Trump, I mean, for all

922
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.320
the good that he's doing and all the good potentially

923
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.400
that he could do, he is a lightning rod.

924
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.519
Absolutely. Look, people have Trump de arrangement syndrome. You know

925
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.320
that I worked in the Bush administration. People had bushed

926
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.920
arrangement syndrome. And in an age of TikTok and an

927
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.440
age of YouTube, in an age of people getting their

928
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:48.320
news in five second clips and Americans not having any

929
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.719
common platform upon which we can all agree, this sort

930
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:57.159
of whiplash policy is simply going to get worse.

931
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.480
Well, and this is for me. I was hopeful for

932
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.000
this American First concept because I thought that if we

933
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.800
could think in terms of what is best for America,

934
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.960
that's a good starting point. And when you talk to

935
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.440
people on both sides, all sides, and you talk about

936
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America First, without you know, any kind of political designation

937
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.400
or party designation, you seem to be able to reason

938
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.400
a little bit easier and get back to the tip

939
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:25.960
O'Neil and Reagan era.

940
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Yeah.

941
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.800
No, Look, I don't think there should be anything embarrassing

942
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.360
about putting America first. When I worked in the Pentagon

943
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:36.639
during the initial invasion of Iraq and people were talking

944
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.639
about the shape of the Iraqi government and compromises you

945
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.639
might need to make, and the natural compromise would be

946
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:46.360
the compromise that the United States made between provinces when

947
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.360
you had a Congress, when you had a Senate. And

948
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:53.199
there's almost an embarrassment about the American model. And that's

949
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.400
something I don't understand why we should be embarrassed by

950
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:00.239
our own constitution, by the American model, when frankly it's

951
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.320
done wonders for the United States and our coherence here.

952
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.440
And when you have disparate peoples in Iraq, you have

953
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.239
different populations and different provinces, it would have been a

954
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.119
natural and our own State Department was recapping ourselves.

955
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.559
Yeah, amazing, And you're exactly right. Doctor Michael Rubin, Director

956
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.440
of Policy Analysis at the Middle East Forum, Senior Fellow

957
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.159
at the American Enterprise Institute. Michael, how can the folks

958
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:24.679
be in touch?

959
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Look?

960
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.719
You can follow me on Twitter at m Rubin nineteen

961
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.440
seventy one or else. If you want late breaking analysis

962
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Bill Martinez here, and we've got Heymutt cheryld did and

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very popular doctor Curry Myers. Be fortunate to have him

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on with us right now to talk about the cop

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hensive use of force assessment Minneapolis ice officer involved shooting,

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among other things. Doctor Myers. Always good to have you

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with us. How are you, sir?

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Oh, thanks so much. It's always a pleasure to be

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on two.

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Well, he's applied criminologist, academician, author, consultant. It's a little

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early for me to say Akama division, but you know

995
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I'm stumbling through it. Author, consultant, and a retired sheriff.

996
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So he knows from what he talks and from what

997
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he comes from, so, you know, help us understand where

998
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we are today in Minneapolis. I mean, it seems, you

999
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know a lot of people are looking at it and going, wow,

1000
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this is George Floyd all over again.

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Oh well, that's what it's turning into. And it's a shame.

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I wish, and I think the whole United States wishes

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that Minnesota would have like five minutes of calmness for once,

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you know, I mean it just constantly is the things

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that are occurring out of the state or mind boggling,

1006
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and it's a result of the non enforcement of laws

1007
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that leads us here and why the federal government has

1008
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to go in. Now. The shooting bill is certainly a

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tragic case. No one wants to see anybody killed by

1010
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law enforcement. We don't want to see anybody killed at

1011
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all this, but tragedy and illegality are not the same thing.

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And I did an assessment on my substack, doctor Currymiers

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dot substack dot com, as you know, and in that assessment,

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I was dispassionate, of course, which we should be, and

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professional in the assessment. And it seems today that law

1016
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enforcement shootings often become like a carnival ride. So much

1017
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of the comments, especially from elected leaders, especially in Minnesota

1018
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exact and community leaders, are made with feelings, they're made

1019
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with cognitive biases, and they're fueled through social media in

1020
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traditional media, and this is only adding to the issues

1021
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that's going on. But the real question here is this,

1022
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and that is the unattended consequences. In some cases, I'm

1023
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ashamed to say that might be intended consequences of these

1024
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non joint law enforcement operations. When Minneapolis decides, because of

1025
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their sanctuary policies, are going to say, we're not going

1026
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to help the federal government at all, particularly on these

1027
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federal immigration led raids, when the operational objective is not

1028
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just illegal immigration, but going again after criminal legal aliens.

1029
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That's what the federal government is focusing on, Bill, is

1030
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the apprehension of criminal illegal aliens. And if that's the case,

1031
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:57.960
Minneapolis doesn't have an argument here because law enforcement should

1032
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.880
be assisting with them because because they have committed criminal crimes.

1033
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.480
And I'm not saying that ICE does not pick up

1034
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.679
non citizens and arrest them. If they are with the

1035
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.639
criminal legal aid exactly, or around or surrounding, or they

1036
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.639
come up and provoke law enforcement and find out they're

1037
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.119
in this country, they're going to get arrested as they should.

1038
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And so this even though we've had a shooting, the

1039
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:30.000
shooting occurs as a result of the sanctuary policies where

1040
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.519
the city of Minneapolis and the police chief of Minneapolis

1041
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:38.039
has failed in the state has failed to provide the

1042
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:42.519
necessary assistance because federal law enforcement is not in the

1043
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:46.239
position to go in and do this work without local

1044
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law enforcement and state law law enforcement assistants.

1045
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We work together, right, Well, you have to because the

1046
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:58.280
local law enforcement they understand the community right and when

1047
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.880
they're there represented, it brings a level of calmness. But

1048
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.840
when you have a governor and a mayor in this

1049
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:10.000
particular case in Minneapolis, you know, just you know, with

1050
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.039
all their rhetoric revving things up and agitating the locals

1051
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:18.039
all the more. I mean, Curry, look at look at

1052
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:22.320
the assaults. Now they're up thirteen this against ice officers

1053
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:28.480
up thirteen hundred percent of vehicular attacks, thirty two hundred percent,

1054
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.199
death threats over eight thousand percent increase targeted through ice

1055
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.599
because of these sanctuary cities and these politicians who are

1056
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.679
championing the cause and revving up the locals to get

1057
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.679
in the way and interfere. And which begs the question.

1058
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.559
You know, in Renee Goods situation, she was supposedly a

1059
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.360
legal observer. What the heck is a legal observer?

1060
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.440
That's that's the great question. Because she wasn't a legal observer.

1061
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.920
She was an illegal observer. And let me frame this

1062
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:05.599
for you. Most people are only seeing the shooting. Most

1063
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.960
people see the fifteen seconds prior and maybe the five

1064
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:13.559
seconds after. What people are not seeing to have full

1065
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:18.199
context is the roads and people who are these legal observers.

1066
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:23.280
They're trained by NGOs, non government organizations and entities who

1067
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.119
make money off of this because all these people are

1068
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:29.639
being paid or the vast majority of people that are

1069
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.320
showing up or being paid, and the other ones are

1070
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:35.480
sheep because they do what they're told to do. And

1071
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.880
you have block roads, well, blocking a road is against

1072
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.880
the law. There are many things that are against the

1073
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:47.599
law that local police could address and prevent. If ice

1074
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:51.159
is going to a particular address, they should be able

1075
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.960
to share that address, which they can't now because they

1076
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.039
the Minneapolis police leaks it where they're going. But they

1077
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.199
should be able to work together. They should go to

1078
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.280
an address where they think a criminal, illegal alien is

1079
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:07.199
at arrest that person and in the meantime, local or

1080
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.320
state police is helping protect the perimeter making sure that

1081
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:15.320
roads stay open. We have this is not a third

1082
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:18.880
world country. We have laws in this country. And the

1083
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.800
laws are you can't block a public roadway ever you

1084
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:23.719
have no permission.

1085
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:27.199
Yeah, it's just simple, full stop. But you know, there

1086
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:31.039
they are in Minneapolis. They're getting away and breaking the law.

1087
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:34.840
Well as you know, as a former sheriff. It starts

1088
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.800
with little laws being broken, and then they mount up,

1089
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.599
they accumulate, and now you start getting big laws being broken,

1090
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.960
bigger laws, and you put people in danger like Rene Good.

1091
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:52.440
And yet the mayor and the governor take no responsibility

1092
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:58.159
whatsoever for exacerbating and promoting this kind of behavior. And

1093
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.639
it's almost like it's almost fact they're begging that there's

1094
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.480
more fatalities that take place. I hate to say that

1095
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:06.679
because they're not backing off Curry.

1096
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.360
No, they're not backing off at all. And they are

1097
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.119
they are. I mean, this is the new that they

1098
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:17.320
feel emboldened to do this because they are being supported

1099
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.000
by the political figures at some point. We haven't seen

1100
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:28.280
this kind of these kinds of issues regarding not enforcing

1101
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.199
federal law or the states not getting behind federal law

1102
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:36.639
since the Civil War. This is how bad it's gotten.

1103
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.599
Well, it's like Alabama, which isn't that far back either,

1104
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:41.159
it's about sixty years six.

1105
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.320
Yeah, where they had to send in federal troops, which

1106
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:47.320
by the way, were the National Guard, which are federalized troops.

1107
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:52.239
They don't belong to the governor, especially when the president says, okay,

1108
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.440
you're going to go under my authority, which they have

1109
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.320
primary responsibility to go under the president's authority, not a

1110
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.880
governor authority. When it's under the president's authority, they act

1111
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on behalf of the governor doing whatever it needs to

1112
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:07.599
be done, and the governor can use them for assistance

1113
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:11.519
put down riots as well, those kinds of things. And

1114
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.400
this is the problem that we're having. And at some

1115
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:18.639
point are they going to arrest people who are fonementing this.

1116
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.679
It's not just freedom of speech right where they're phone

1117
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.599
minting this. You can't yell fire in a crowded you know,

1118
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:26.599
And that's.

1119
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:29.119
What that's and that's what the governor is doing. I mean,

1120
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.199
he almost suggested the other day. Current I thought this

1121
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:34.880
was just dangerous as all get out, was that here

1122
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.079
we have the National Guard, as you said, under the

1123
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.360
authority of the president, and he says, I'm going to

1124
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:44.239
bring in my own national guard. So what are we

1125
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going to have a battle of the national Guards right

1126
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:47.840
there in the streets of Minneapolis.

1127
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.320
Yeah, Well, he doesn't have his own national guard. The

1128
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Adjutant General of the the the Minnesota National Guard gets

1129
01:05:56.119 --> 01:06:01.239
appointed by the governor, often concurrence by the Department of

1130
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war now, but when when the president federalizes them, he

1131
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can't make any the governor can't make any orders for

1132
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that to happen. They're troops. They're going to follow what

1133
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the what the President and the Department of War puts

1134
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out that says, this is the things that we need

1135
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you to do at this particular time. So it's all

1136
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window dressing and then the other thing that.

1137
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But it's dangerous because because then what are they going

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to do. They're out there in the field and they're

1139
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.159
going I got the Governor saying one thing, I got

1140
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:34.920
the President saying another, Department of War doing this. You

1141
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.960
know what laws am I supposed to follow? And now

1142
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we're back to that goofy stupid video that Democrats, congressmen

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and senators made, you know, creating some you know, all

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kinds of potential issues when it comes to law and order. Anyway,

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we've got to go to quick break. We've got more

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Doctor Curry Myers is the applied criminologist, retired sheriff and

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former state and federal law enforcement officer with more than

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thirty five years of experience in policing. And let's say,

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with policing comes public safety. Some people forget doctor Myers,

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that you know policing and public safety are they're hand

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in glove right well?

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Absolutely, public safety and public policy, criminal justice, public policy matters.

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And as an applied criminologist, you don't hear much from criminologists.

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They're not opining on any of these things, unless it's

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always to say everything's wrong, We're doing everything wrong. Criminologists

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by and large are not getting involved. This is right.

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Why I really am an applied criminologist, because it's just

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not theory. But we want to look at the application

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of what law enforcement does in their work. And I

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call balls and strikes. If I see something that I

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don't agree with or I think is against the the

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common value, against the Constitution, I call that out right exactly,

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I have no I have no problem doing that. But

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there there are in many ways there's constitutional standards. And

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if we're falling, then let me give you an example.

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This shooting in particular, we had the mayor, to your point,

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we had the mayor and governor and the Attorney general

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of the state, by the way, all say this was

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not a necessary shooting. It was not a legal shooting

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and there was no justification for that.

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And they said that. They said this within an hour

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of the of the action, with not letting all the

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facts are any investigation, right.

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So there's so there's no facts. But but the the

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the legal question is was it objectively reasonable at the

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moment force was used? And the Supreme Court has already

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gone through this many times and have said no, necessity

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is not the constitutional standard. Courts of explicitly rejected least harm.

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When it comes to least harm when police officers are

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reasonably perceived in seconds to take some sort of lethal action.

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They're not trained into those two seconds to shoot out tires.

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They're not trained to do anything else. The car equals

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a deadly weapon is doctrinal and it's been covered in

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the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter the speed, it doesn't

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matter the intent. It doesn't mean anything other than the

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contact to be coming towards the officer and the perception

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is they are going to get hurt. And a police officer,

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you know, it's true when a police officer reacts within

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a couple of seconds, which this officer did. It would

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be different if the car went by and after the

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car went by ten to fifteen seconds, then he drew

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his weapon and shot at the car later, right, because

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the threat has potentially, you know, potentially gone. This is

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this is a lesson in physics, not motive.

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Right. And the problem is, unfortunately you're fighting you know,

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public opinion because it's running rampant, fueled by the rhetoric

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like you said of the Attorney General, the governor and

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the mayor and UH and law is clear, the Supreme

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Court has UH has decided on this. But yet that

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gets lost in the emotionality of the whole atmosphere, right,

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And so people start seeing it through their own eyes

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and their own justification. Uh. And though they're wrong, they're

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they're putting they're endangering their their citizens, they're not bringing

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them to uh to safety's it's like they're igniting this

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and like you said, you know, screaming fire in a theater. Uh,

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you know, and you know they're just amping up the

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days here.

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Well, I think you and I have discernment, and many

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people in America have discernment. But I think we've lost

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the importance of discerning things before we speak. And it

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seems to me that feelings have become the norm, and

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we respond to feelings. And again social media and that

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contagion itself fuels it because when somebody agrees with you,

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then it fuels that person to continue on. It's quite frankly,

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it's leading to the dark psychological traits. And when we

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see the dark psychological traits start to affect people, then

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they're going to take and escalate it to another level.

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And this is the reason, you know, we're starting to

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see Christianity and we're starting to see faith resurge in

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America again. That the data is supporting more and more

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people are following those things, and this is one of

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those where now it's become kind of a good versus

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evil concept in the world.

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It really is. I mean, it's that clear. Again for

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discerning people, we understand that that is the case. It's

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good versus evil because all these things is that you

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look at, you know, the speech that's out there, the

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reporting that's out there. Does it add or take away?

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Is it doing harm or is it is it helping?

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Is this more issue based or is it solution based?

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And it seems that one side more than other. And

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you can say the one side take it out of

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the political realm, say that those that lack discernment and

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that are interested in reving things up, they seem to

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anchor themselves into the issue more than the solution.

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That's right, Yeah, that's exactly. It's that's frame perfectly Bill,

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what you just said. And then you get into other

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issues like where ICE all of a sudden is not

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law is the non law enforcement you're hearing that. You're

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hearing that from going attorney generals where they're law enforcement officers.

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ICE agents are federal law enforcement officers. That's full stop yes,

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they have authority to carry firearms under eighteen eleven. They

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do it just like an FBI agent or a DHS

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agent or a DEA agent. They have the authority to

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make arrests. They have authority to enforce criminal statutes. I

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know that coming into this country often can be at

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first a civil issue, but if you re enter into

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the country illegally, that becomes a criminal issue. There are

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many things that they enforce as a result of doing

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their work and the use of force. DOJ policy reflects

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the current state of the Supreme Court decisions and so

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immigration violations, you know, yes, but when you disrupt and

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when you harm others or perceived harm, it's still a

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threat to law enforcement officers and bill. It goes back

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01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:02.680
to the sanctuary cities and states that have introduced this,

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because we're not just seeing it in Minnesota are the

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ones primarily responsible for the chaos because when ICE comes

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in to do what they've been told to do and

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do actually what Congress has asked them to do.

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For simce, we seventy five million people voted for Trump

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and said this is what we want done. So it's

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much more. It's the totality of the citizenry that is

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01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:31.920
spoken at the voting box and said this is what

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we want done. Now the manner in which it's executed,

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I get it. Some people because of the way the

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mainstream media has narritized this whole situation because they've convoluted

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illegal immigrants. I mean, you come in illegal, you're illegal, okay,

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And I don't know, you know, does it become uber

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illegal after you stay here beyond thirty days or a

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year or what. But then on top of that, you've

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01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:02.640
got people who have, you know, committed crimes. Clearly, they've

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murdered people, they've they're involved with human trafficking and drug

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running and on and on. And you know, but you know,

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the the nice neighbor who did your lawn and lives

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next door whatever, has been there for twenty years, is

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all caught up in this immigrant illegal immigration net, and

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people are focusing on that, on that exception, as opposed

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to all the bad guys and even bad women who

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came in recently to the tune of anywhere. I mean,

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you hear these numbers, fifteen to twenty million illegal immigrants,

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and even you got Maduro said, hey, look at America

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was being stupid and they opened up their border. So

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I emptied out my prison and prisons and all my

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01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:50.159
insane asylums. I sent them all, hey, go north, and

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go north to America. And then you look at their

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crime rate, and their crime rate went down, what about

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01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:59.960
what seventy five percent because they emptied out their jails

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and they send them here.

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Same thing with Cuba. I mean, most of the South

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American countries released their bad people and said, if you

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make it, you can make it to the United States

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and make your living there and do what you need

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to do. And this is also about the failure to

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have assimilation right. The whole purpose of having a seven

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year time window to become an American citizen is for

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somebody to assimilate, learn the common language, which is an English,

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understand the laws. We're having people that come into this country.

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They're not assimilating, and they're starting these little pockets of

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kind of third world countries from where they came from.

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Look at this Somalian incident where fraud has become rampant.

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So in many ways, the culture where they came from,

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if it's a culture that's based on crime or being

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able to get away with things, they bring that culture

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to the United States to include traffic enforcement, traffic laws,

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not following the traffic laws. And then you have the

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government in many ways, such as California and others, that

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allow these things to occur, and then and then they

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prop it up by even offering. For instance, California allowed

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people to get licenses, including people who are truck drivers

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CDL licenses. I used to help and and be a

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consultant for many people in the in the trucking industry

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on safety and security, and CDLs are difficult to get.

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They're not an easy thing to get, they're not an

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easy thing to maintain. You have federal transportation auditors come

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into organizations all the all the all the time, saying,

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where's your data, where's your information, where's your log books?

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01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:41.479
Where's your medical history? Are you here? Legally?

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01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:44.520
All of those speaks you speak the language. Can you

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read this sign? Stop?

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Yeah, no, U turn or whatever?

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You know?

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That's those are the things that are done. And when

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California issue driver's license to to non citizens, most of

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01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:00.359
them couldn't even speak the language. We saw the increase

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on the highways and deadly accidents that occurred. So I

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don't want to just say this is only related to

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ice going in and arresting some people who are criminal

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non citizens. This is bigger than that.

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In this systemic issue, isn't it.

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Absolutely? It affects, It affects crime. I always say that

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that criminal justice public policy affects so much, including economics.

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So when you have bad criminal justice public policy and

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you no longer feel safe, people are going to retreat

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01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:39.319
from that city, businesses are going to retreat from that city,

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and it causes an economic bubble. It causes medicine deserts,

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food deserts where they no longer can stay, and they

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and people leave and go to other places to live

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because they want those amenities next to them, and the

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illness that is fueled by often drug addiction, probably eighty

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percent of the time it's fueled by drug addiction. And

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of these major metropolitan areas is this chasm of decay,

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that is people are leaving, businesses are leaving, and then

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at some point it'll spread to another city because they've

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hallowed that out. It's almost like a pass where they

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come in and they just completely dismantle a city and location.

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And it used to be that suburbia was kind of

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a safe place, but now we're seeing where once they

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eat everything and rot everything out of that city, they'll

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kind of go ten miles north south east west to

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another city and start there.

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Yeah, why not? And if they have those some magnets

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that says, hey, we're going to coddle and protect you

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and provide for you even more. All the faster than

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that contagion will spread and drop roots there until they've

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sucked everything out of that zip code as well. Doctor

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Curry Myers, he's the America's applied criminologist. I like that

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that you are applied and that it demonstrates that you

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you know and you've moved it out of there. It's

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in the practical. He's a retired sheriff and author of

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the Advent of Feral Man. Doctor Myers, always an honor,

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to have you

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with us. We've got Jeff Camp, former NFL QB. Just

1542
01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:53.479
in time. We could be talking football instead of these

1543
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.439
other important things. But hey, they're the things of the world.

1544
01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:00.159
But you know, we learned so much, you know, from

1545
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:05.920
watching football and and even seeing the response from you know,

1546
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:10.000
from grown men. You know, it just you know, especially

1547
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for us guys, it's it's like the little boy and

1548
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.199
us really never grows up. I mean, the love for

1549
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.399
the game and the passion and the emotions of it

1550
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.640
they continue no matter what age you are, right, Jeff.

1551
01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:27.520
Something about teams and pressure and not knowing what's going

1552
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:29.960
to happen and seeing it turn out. Well, that's exciting

1553
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.479
to us. It's what keeps the NFL going on. This

1554
01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.920
college playoffs that are coming tonight, the championship.

1555
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:37.760
Yeah, that's right. Well, and of course by the time

1556
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:42.079
people see this interview that we're doing now, you know,

1557
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:47.359
the college championship will have already been decided and you know,

1558
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:50.239
hopefully your team wins. You know, one of them will win,

1559
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:54.000
that's for sure. So but over the weekend and the

1560
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:58.119
way the playoffs are set up for for next week,

1561
01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:01.159
you know, with some some great football, you know, And

1562
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.560
it brings back to mind that that opening to a

1563
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.159
wide world of sports, you know, the thrill of victory

1564
01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:08.760
and the agony of defeat, right.

1565
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.520
And that was my favorite show as a kid growing up,

1566
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.239
the wide world of sports taking you all over to

1567
01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:18.479
see ski racing. I used to want to be a

1568
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:22.760
ski racer, but I had to settle for pro football, Bill, Yeah,

1569
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:26.319
settle for it. Well, Buffalo, where it was nice and

1570
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:31.479
cold and racing on the ski slopes was the winter activity.

1571
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.439
Well, I'm not sure if I had a chance to

1572
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:36.279
share with you last week, but I ran across a

1573
01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:38.640
quote from Mark Twain that I thought was really profound.

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01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:42.479
You said, the two most important days of your life

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01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:45.760
is number one when you're born and number two when

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01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:52.319
you discover why.

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01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:57.880
He was going to your purpose, right, that's right. You

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01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:02.279
don't just exist. We're made to live for a purpose.

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01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.960
I mean going back to God. He made us to

1580
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:09.600
steward this world in creative and wonderful, responsible ways, with

1581
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:12.720
all sorts of gifts and talents. Everyone's different, there's lots

1582
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:16.920
of different roles, but you need to know kind of

1583
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.439
as Twins said, what's your why? And there was that

1584
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.359
author recently last fifteen twenty years of Business, author Simon

1585
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:29.520
Sinek says, start with why and any venture, figure out

1586
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.119
your why. Figure out the why, and that motivates people,

1587
01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:37.079
That clarifies decisions. If the decision is moving you closer

1588
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:41.319
to your why, then go there. If it's going to

1589
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.680
distract from that why, it's not going to take you there.

1590
01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:48.199
A lot of people, boy, you know, they want their

1591
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family to do well, they want to bless their kids,

1592
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:54.520
they want their kids to have a great future. But

1593
01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:58.159
sometimes knowing that that's their why, they might forget and

1594
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.680
say I'm going to take this job that makes me

1595
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.039
more money in another city, but it's going to mess

1596
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:06.760
up all the schools and the home and the neighborhood

1597
01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:08.399
and the short commute and the amount of time that

1598
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you get to have with your family. So remembering what's

1599
01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:16.000
my why is really crucial to whatever direction you're going.

1600
01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:17.279
God made us for the purpose.

1601
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:19.960
And I think that part of that why, or at

1602
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.239
least for me anyway, because when I had to stop

1603
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:25.079
to look at it, because you know, I was dealing

1604
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:28.640
not only with that, but also and you and I

1605
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:30.760
touched on this a little bit last week, and that

1606
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.520
is that the higher calling that God has for us,

1607
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:36.479
you know, abandoning the temporal things, the things that are

1608
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:39.800
going to fade away, you know, Colossians, Philippians addresses is

1609
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:44.520
particularly Philippians is, Brothers, I do not consider myself to

1610
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:48.039
have arrived and achieved. I let these things of the

1611
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:50.359
world go. I leave these things. I leave behind those

1612
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:54.159
things and reach for the higher calling. And what I'm

1613
01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:59.720
what I'm discovering here in this, in this question, it's

1614
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:04.000
about why. Is the why I believe lies in the eternal,

1615
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:09.640
the ultimate why. And it's easy to get distracted, as

1616
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:12.560
you say, you can have all kinds of worldly success

1617
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:16.119
on the football field, making gazillions of dollars and having

1618
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:23.279
fans and a very active and successful following, but ultimately,

1619
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.439
you know, as you said, that can detract you from

1620
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:30.640
the things that are near and dear and maybe more precious.

1621
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.960
Well, you remember the story, and probably some of our

1622
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:39.319
listeners do. In the fifties, there was a young, very athletic, strong,

1623
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:45.159
academic young man named Jim Elliott and his why God

1624
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:47.319
grabbed a hold of him in college and made him

1625
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:50.880
want to be a missionary and take the good news

1626
01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:54.079
of Jesus to people that had never heard it. And

1627
01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:58.000
he ended up going to South America as a missionary,

1628
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:02.880
and he was pursuing this group people who were resistant

1629
01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:08.600
to any outsiders. Now, eventually his wife and others were

1630
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:11.720
able to present to them the love of God, the

1631
01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:17.039
story of Jesus, the Gospel, and forgiveness and many many

1632
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:21.000
of them embraced him. But they practice cannibalism and murdering

1633
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:23.800
at the point that he was trying to reach them,

1634
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.079
and he actually lost his life in that quest. But

1635
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.680
in the long term, his wife and others who followed

1636
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:30.319
him reached them.

1637
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:30.640
Well.

1638
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:32.960
Jim Elliott, who lost his life at age twenty five

1639
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:36.079
or something, had this amazing quote that says what you're saying.

1640
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.880
He is no fool to give up what he cannot

1641
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:47.479
keep to gain what he cannot lose. So his perspective was,

1642
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:51.000
I cannot lose eternity. I cannot lose the love of God.

1643
01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:54.760
Roman says this, You can never escape God's love. Once

1644
01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:58.159
you receive it, he is with you forever. There's no

1645
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.960
more condemnation. Won't be punished for your sin, you won't

1646
01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:05.800
be banished from him his adopted daughter or son forever.

1647
01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:11.319
And you have a role in the eternal Kingdom of

1648
01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:15.680
leading people back to our heavenly Father through Jesus. And

1649
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:20.680
that's the gospel message and that kingdom which lives in

1650
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:23.680
your heart and my heart and believers in Jesus right now.

1651
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.800
While it's an imperfect era, that kingdom will be perfect

1652
01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.800
when Jesus returns everything he tended to be completely lovely,

1653
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:36.039
lovely with no tears, no cancer, no death. It's going

1654
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:39.720
to be that way. So Jim Elliott gave up his

1655
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.319
life to help others find that which he couldn't lose,

1656
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.039
and that is the eternal perspective. That you were expressing

1657
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:51.039
a minute ago. So it makes you know, the spiritual

1658
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:54.399
formation of your children more important than the sports formation.

1659
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:55.000
Right.

1660
01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:59.279
It makes your character and the grace and dignity you

1661
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:03.359
show to people work more important than the dollar that

1662
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:06.520
you scratched and clawed and manipulated for advantage to get.

1663
01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:10.199
So it gives you a longer term time horizon, a

1664
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:13.079
more important purpose. And it all comes down to the

1665
01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:16.279
word love. We are to love others as Jesus loved

1666
01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:18.720
us and introduces to him Who's the source of love?

1667
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:23.359
You know, as you're saying this, I'm recalling very briefly.

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I ran across the video last night, and it was

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it was tough to watch because here is, I believe

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as a pastor's on an airplane. You know, a lot

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of crazy stuff going on airplanes these days. Anyway, it

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looks like it was a pastor who is reading scripture

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and one of the passengers got really upset and I

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mean just flat out cold cock this pastor, I mean,

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just leveled him out. Well, of course, my instinct was, oh,

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you know, let's get it on, you know kind of deal.

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He did nothing pastor took the blow, I mean, because

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it wasn't some little patty kate kind of hit. I mean,

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this guy hitting pretty hard, and he just started reading

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from the word and he stayed the course with this

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guy and in a few moments and it was an instant.

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Next thing, you know, he's hugging this guy and the

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guy was hugging him back.

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Well, that was pretty much the lifestyle of Martin Luther King.

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As we celebrate his holiday. One of the most central

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tenets of his life was to return evil with good

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and to use love to overcome hatred and to show

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dignity in the face of indignity. Well, he faced incredible

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indignity and discrimination and violence was his life was threatened

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over and over and over, and of course they took

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his life. But King never resorted to hatred. He did

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speak truth, but he showed love, was willing to forgive

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anyone that would apologize.

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And come together.

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And I think that's a legacy for us to take

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away on this national holiday, that love conquers hate and

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good is always stronger than evil. And Joseph proved that

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when he said, you know, don't worry what you meant

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for evil, God meant for good. That pastor modeled that, Yes,

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and I think that's what we need to model in

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each little instance. We may not face something as Severest

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doctor King who was killed for human rights and dignity

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and the equality of mankind, or that pastor getting cold

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cocked out of the blue on a plane, but there's

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a lot of little indignities that we could show more

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grace in suffering in the name of love.

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Amen. Well, Jeff Camp, how can people be in touch

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with you?

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Jeff Kemp Team dot com And I'm doing a zoom Actually,

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You got it? Jeff Kemp, former NFLQB Ministry leader and author.

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Thank you, Jeff. Take care, God bless Zibell.

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here and we've got my friend doctor Alvida King joining

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us today as we record this, of course, Uh, it's

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Martin Luther King Day. And you know, I'll tell you,

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you know, the legacy of your uncle continues because as

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I was sharing with somebody else earlier, Alvidaz, that doctor

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King let go of the things of this world to

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reach for the higher calling those eternal issues of life.

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And I believe this why his legacy is so strong

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01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:06.239
and why people hold to it to this day. What

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do you think.

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01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:13.199
I'm so glad you approached that topic asking about the legacy,

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01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:18.560
because I had a few activities and what they were

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01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:21.800
saying was, oh, let's put on a good show, and

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I said, I am not prepared to see my uncle

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Legacy reduced to be in a show exactly. And so

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everywhere we are now, I believe if you go by

1811
01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:36.520
his own words, he says, I'm paraphrasing.

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01:45:36.640 --> 01:45:38.399
Never mind that I.

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Received several awards and no Bill Police Prize and all

1814
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of it, that I have degrees, he says, tell people

1815
01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:49.680
I tried to help somebody and his son, dex the

1816
01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.479
king who passed away. A couple of years ago. Dexter

1817
01:45:53.960 --> 01:45:57.199
did a program with young people, and the question they

1818
01:45:57.199 --> 01:46:01.520
wanted to know was was he a kind man? He

1819
01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:07.039
loved God and he served humanity. Now you know Pat

1820
01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:11.880
Boone right and past our friend right. So Pat had

1821
01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:16.239
written a song about him a few years ago, and

1822
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:20.000
in it he talked about he wasn't a perfect man,

1823
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:22.960
but he served a perfect God. And then Pat is

1824
01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:27.079
a beautiful lyric and my song let freedom ring. Thank

1825
01:46:27.159 --> 01:46:30.479
God that king had a journey.

1826
01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:32.479
So those are my reflections.

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01:46:32.960 --> 01:46:35.239
Well, and you touched on something. He's so key here

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01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:39.600
And this is the word freedom. People don't realize. They

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think freedom is just another word in the dictionary. But freedom,

1830
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freedom comes from God. And look around, what's happening around

1831
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:53.279
the world today. Freedom is breaking out because God is

1832
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:57.359
up to his God thing, isn't he God? God?

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Think, righteousness and justice appear to get and that's obedience

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01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:07.239
and surrender to God with water divine order, and out

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of that flows opportunities for success and blessings and liberty.

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Liberty and freedom do come from God.

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And I think the Bible, if you don't mind me

1838
01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.640
reminding people in the spirit, there's no male or female

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bond or free labor, free only Christ, God and all.

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And where the liberty of the Lord is, yes, there

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is freedom. And that's for all of us who accept

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that message.

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Right, the spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, who went

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to the cross to free us, to liberate us. And

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you know, and you look at all all the different

1846
01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:48.800
areas of the world, whether it's Iran or Minneapolis where

1847
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there's such chaos and everything. I mean, it's a clear

1848
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:57.960
delineation right that it's about good and evil. So you

1849
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don't need to be a genie is here to figure

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this out.

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01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:05.159
Right, I said that earlier.

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I've been doing interviews all day and people ay keep

1853
01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:13.960
asking about either Minnesota or the Middle East and all

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01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.119
these various issues and I said, they said, well, what

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do you think about ice?

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01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:18.479
I stay.

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01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:21.640
Well, in my uncle's day, that would have been tantamount

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01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:23.920
to call in the National Guardian.

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To stop the riot.

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So I speak, and so I said that what my

1861
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:32.199
uncle taught us to do. I was a youth organizer

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01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:35.000
in the nineteen sixties before he was killed, and what

1863
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:39.119
we were talking to do was to demonstrate or protest peacefully.

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01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:46.079
The problem occurs not with the protest, but not protesting peacefully,

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and people need to know the difference.

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01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:54.399
They really did, right well, because doctor King again was

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reaching out for that higher calling that year. You know

1868
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.000
the fact that we're all made in the image of God.

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And as you've said repeatedly on our shows previously and consistently,

1870
01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:09.239
Doctor King, that were all of one blood.

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01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:10.840
One blood, one human rights.

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01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:15.560
Yeah right, And so when you think about made imagiodeo,

1873
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:18.720
made in the image of God, as C. S. Lewis said,

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01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.880
when I ponder that, I consider that I've never met

1875
01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:26.319
a mere human being, right, did.

1876
01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:27.720
He do mere humanity?

1877
01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:32.119
Or yes, it referred to and it's not mere because

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01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:32.880
he's one of us.

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We are all actually unique yeah, yeah.

1880
01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:42.000
Yeah, yeah, holy and unique wo woven together in our

1881
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:46.119
mother's womb with all that we would need. I ran

1882
01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:50.079
across this, this quote from Mark Twain the other day.

1883
01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:52.319
I'll share this with you because it really stopped me

1884
01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:57.399
in my tracks. He said, Uh yeah, he said, there's

1885
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:02.079
two days that are most important in person's life. Number

1886
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:07.600
one is your birth. Number two is when you discover why.

1887
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:13.439
I'm familiar and you know, I know you're here too.

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01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:14.199
You have to be.

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01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:18.640
But it's finally dawned to me God, I'm here to

1890
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:22.439
serve you and to please you and to do your biddings,

1891
01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:26.359
and therein I am blessed. So there's no anxiety.

1892
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:27.680
Why am I here? What am I going to do?

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01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:32.159
How am I gonna do? You know? Some get it early,

1894
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.079
some get it late. I was a little bit late,

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01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:35.239
but I did get it.

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So thank God, Thank God for his grace and mercy

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01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:43.319
right help. I know, I hear you. You know this

1898
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is I also wanted to talk to you because as

1899
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:50.800
an evangelist's founder and founder for Speak for Life, this

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topic has always been near and dear to both our hearts,

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and that is life. Mother Teresa said, any country that

1902
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accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but

1903
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to use any violence to get what it wants. I

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mean talk about selfishness of our humanity, and we can

1905
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be selfish, but God calls us to that higher calling.

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And we're reminded this month that there is sanctity of

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life to be celebrated.

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Right, we have the March for Life this month. Even

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when Roe v.

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Wade was overturned, we already knew when people are gonna

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people say keep the baby. They don't know how and

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they may not have the hearts that pass parents repore.

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So we're going to have to teach and embrace and

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to help during this time period. So the work is

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not over, it's just shifted to even serving more and

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to serve that community, that mom, that dad, those grandparents,

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that family, and they need our help.

1918
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Then they do exactly. And the thing is is that

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we have local centers throughout communities across the country that

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are helping this option. Adoption is in.

1921
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That's awesome, cleaning up the adoption cleaning up the foster

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system so the kids don't get hurt in that either,

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and yes, awesome healthy adoption.

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Right. And I'm associated with the Knights of Columbus and

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today Elvido we have donated over two thousand sonograms to

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these pregnancy centers and counting it. I mean there, it

1927
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is such a heart amongst the Knights to do this

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and promote life, because we know that when women see

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what's inside and what's growing with them, this miracle that

1930
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they're carrying with them, they say, I can't do that.

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That's my baby. Oh that's a baby, that's my baby.

1932
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So yeah, it helps, it does.

1933
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It's amazing.

1934
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Yes, I think it's estimated that something like ninety ninety

1935
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five percent of the women that see the sonogram change

1936
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their mind. This is why planned parenthood has stopped them

1937
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and kept them from that information.

1938
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Yes, as a matter of fact, you know, I did

1939
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have abortions and a miscarriage. I saw the sonograand of

1940
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my son, who's a grown man now married with his

1941
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own son. I said, wait a minute, that's a little

1942
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hard that's little hands.

1943
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Oh no, I can't do this.

1944
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So I saw it was a called the ultrasound sonogram

1945
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back then. That's ultratown, you know. And I stayed at home.

1946
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So you're right, you're right.

1947
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Well, And the other thing I wanted to address with

1948
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you was Congress's allowance in this budget debate to again

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fund planned parenthood. I mean there's something fishy. I know

1950
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it's tied into other things, but you know, to bargain

1951
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life for political purposes. I think it's disgusting.

1952
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It is.

1953
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And even with our president, and I know that he

1954
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benas abortion is disgusting. He said that, and he's done

1955
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quite a bit for the cause for life. But the

1956
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story is not over yet. And what we need to

1957
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do midterms is to get some different people in Congress.

1958
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Would you please remind people little bet and so something

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can be done after the midtimes.

1960
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As well, if we get some more people in.

1961
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There, Albeita, How can we get people to understand the

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sense of urgency and how critical this is. I mean,

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this is this is so foundational life him God says,

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I mean, it is such the basis of our humanity.

1965
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You know what, what can we do, short of maybe

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Jonah himself being spit out by a whale on the

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on the shores of the United States to get people

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to wake up?

1969
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Well, you've got to do what you're doing.

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Stay in these air ways, I will too, and out

1971
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in the battle. Fill on the ground and recruit and

1972
01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:00.119
get more of these young people. Let them know of

1973
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good news. And the Gospel of Christ and the sanctity

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of life. And as we continue to do that and

1975
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stay diligent in every gener race, every decade, every platform,

1976
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every genre, as the human race, and don't ever lose hope,

1977
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don't think it's impossible, and keep that faith, keep that hope,

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and keep that love.

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That's what we must do right now today.

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Well, and I think that's one of the reasons why

1981
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Charlie Kirk was assassinated elvid Is. And he was telling

1982
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us young people. He was telling go get married, have children.

1983
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I mean, he was echoing what God said said to

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his creat.

1985
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The Word of God says, you'll.

1986
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Be fruitful and multiply. Right.

1987
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Absolutely, you got one more question. I've got to leave you.

1988
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I've got it.

1989
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I'm saying, Hey, I'm gonna let you wrap it up

1990
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right now. We got fifteen seconds. Go ahead, summarize and

1991
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bring us home, if you would.

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This little song, this little light of mine, I'm going

1993
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to let it shine, let it shine, let us shine,

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let us shine be a light my friends.

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Amen, Doctor Alvita King, Thank you, God blessed, take care,

1996
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Thanks Bill, see you soon.

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1999
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2000
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2001
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2002
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2003
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2004
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