The 10, How to Live and Love in a World That Has Lost Its Way

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Radio. Well, hello and welcome. This is Bill Martinez and we are

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live. Pastor Robert Jeffer is going
to be joining us in just a few

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moments talking about his new book,
Experiencing God's Blessings by Rediscovering the Ten the

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Ten Commandments. You've heard me so
many times that one of the challenges that

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we've had right now in terms of, you know, our country and the

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call culture, is that we've lost
our way and that we needed to get

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back to first principles. This book
reminds us of the importance of first principles

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and why they are a blessing.
In this latest book, How to Live

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and Love in a world that has
lost its way. The renowned pastor and

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author, doctor Robert Jeffers shows us
how God's blessings come from living out his

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most fundamental instructions, the Ten Commandments. Far from what most people think,

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the Ten Commandments weren't given to restrict
our freedom, but to enhance our happiness

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and I might say our freedom.
According to pastor, they invite us in

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the blessing of a loving relationship toward
God and the resulting spillover into our relationships

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with others. Doctor Jeffers, welcome
back. Good to be talking to you.

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How are you great, Bill,
Good to be with you again.

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I'm so excited to talk to you
about the Ten because this is so consistent,

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as I mentioned in the introduction here
with something that I believe that God

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had shown me, is that we
needed to get back to first principles like

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any organization. And this is what
leadership will do. Is when an organization

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loses its way, a inspired leader
will say, let's go back and think

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when were we doing this right?
When were we thriving? When was the

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company at its happiest condition? And
that takes leadership to do that. And

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I believe God inspired you to take
the country, take the globe back to

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first principles and say, hey,
let's go back to the beginning and consider

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God's commandments, his Ten Commandments.
Well, that's exactly right. And people

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said, why would you write a
book called the Ten about the Ten Commandments?

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And the subtitle you mentioned explains it
all. How to live in a

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world that has lost its way?
Bill, I think regardless of people's political

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persuasions or their spiritual inclination, I
think everybody would agree we are living in

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a time of chaos and confusion where
we've lost our way. And we've been

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here before as a country. Back
in eighteen sixty three, when America was

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being torn apart by the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln issued the first Proclamation calling

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for prayer and repentance. And in
that proclamation he asked the question why is

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our nation being torn apart? And
then he answered the question by saying,

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because we have forgotten God. I
believe that same diagnosis applies today. We

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have forgotten God. We think our
way is best. And so I said,

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let's go back to the most basic
commands of God, these thirty five

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hundred year old commandments, and see
how they apply today. And that's what

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my book The Ten is all about. It's a fresh look at the thirty

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five hundred year old Ten Commandments.
Yeah, pastor, when you go back

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into the Book of Genesis, in
the opening versus, you know, what

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was the condition of the world,
It was arc a void in essence.

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What it was saying is that it
was in chaos because there wasn't order.

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And God is a god of order. And in the process of bringing order

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to his creation, you know,
you get first the Spirit hovering over the

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chaos and softening hearts and and and
bringing you know, divine order to it.

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And now with the population, God
needs to come back and say,

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okay, here, here's the recipe. Here's in a sense, in order

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to you know, so that we
would be blessed. Here's the Ten Commandments.

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This was what you must you must
live by, as you say,

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to to really bring us, you
know, even what our Constitution referred to

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as those God given rights and the
right of freedom. Right, Well,

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that's right. And you know,
if there's one theme in this book,

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the Ten and our discussion over this
next hour that I want our list and

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viewers to understand, it's this God
gave us the Ten Commandments, not for

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his benefit. He doesn't get anything
out of them. He gave them for

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our benefit. They were never meant
to repress us, but to bless us.

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And one of the lies of Satan
Bill is that God is this cosmic

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killed joy who's trying to restrict us
and prevent us from any kind of happiness

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whatsoever, and he tries to box
us in with these commandments. Nothing could

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be further from the truth. These
are meant to bless us. And I

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tell people years ago, when my
little girls were five and two, we

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drove up to Pike's Peak in Colorado. Stress drive up to the top,

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and we got out, and my
oldest daughter, Julia immediately started running toward

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the edge of the mountain. They
were running any guardrails, and instinctively I

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yelled out stop. Now why did
I tell her to stop? Was I

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trying to rob her of some great
experience? No, one's trying to keep

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her from going over the mountain's edge
and killing herself. Exactly only with God.

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He says, no line, no
stealing, no adult trait. Stop,

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not for his benefit, but for
our benefit. And that's what we

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talk about in the ten. How
these really are guidelines, guard rails if

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you will that allow us to experience
the best life possible. Well, as

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you mentioned in the book, I
mean God is the designer. He set

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up specific rules which in a sense, he summarized in a quick sentence to

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Cain. You know, when Cain
was all despondent because his sacrifice was not

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accepted past her, and he just
said, look, if you do right,

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will it not go well for you? Which speaks of God's infrastructure in

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saying here, if you stay within
the guard rails, you're going to be

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blessed. It will go well for
you. Right, that's right, and

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you know God put it in the
right order. If you do the right

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thing, you'll start to feel the
right thing, exactly, And most people

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get it reversed. They say,
when I feel the right thing, I'll

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do the right thing. No,
feelings don't produce actions. Actions produce feelings.

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And you're exactly right. But again, in understanding the way God had

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created the infrastructure of humanity of this
planet, of his world, it is

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all consistent with his character. And
his character is you know, is reflected

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in the Ten Commandments, is it
not? It is? And you said

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it well when you talked about God
made us He understands this. These are

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his prescriptions for how to live.
I tell the story in the book about

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five years ago I bought a new
car, which I rarely do. I

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drive him to the wheels fall off. But our deacon chairman said, you're

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embarrassing the church by driving your car
around his time to get in the car.

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So I went and got one and
handed my life savings over to the

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dealer and an exchange bill. He
gave me this big, thick book listed

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filled with all kinds of dos and
don'ts. For example, in the book,

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on page thirty seven, it said
don't text and drive. At the

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same time, I thought, who
is this guy to tell me I have

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to limit my freedom of speech for
his benefit? And then it said I

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love this one. Don't drive with
the driver's seat in a reclining position.

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If I'm not supposed to do that, why did he design the seat to

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recline in the first place. I
know it's a silly illustration, but the

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point is God is our creator.
He knows how we operate best, he

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knows the optimum way to live,
and he gave this for our benefit.

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That's what the Ten Commandments are all
about, exactly because He is a constant

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flow of blessing that we are to
take and then bless others. Right,

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So it's it's just this circle of
beneficence that starts with God, goes through

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us, that goes to others.
And you know, as Jesus said,

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it's about loving God and loving one
another. And that it honors that most

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important commandment? Does it not?
It does? And let me put a

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little finer point on it. Let's
take the command or the restriction. It's

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only two words, and Hebrews in
the Ten Commandments, no adultery. Now

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why does God say that? Well, think about it. God is the

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one who designed the whole idea of
sex. Sex was God's idea. He

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not only designed the act, he
designed the equipment to perform the act.

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And God said, now, look, I'm coming up with this wonderful experience

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for you. Here's how to enjoy
it. Sex is best enjoyed between one

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man and one woman in the security
of a marriage relatedationship. Those are God's

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instructions not to rob us of something, but to allow us to experience what

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he had in mind exactly in a
sense, in one way, in a

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different sense, it's like the law
gravity, the law gravity exists for our

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benefit, but if we violate it, we find out really quick that we

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violated and there's clear consequences. But
so much of sin, like the Book

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of Ecclesiastes talks about, is that
because it's deferred the consequences of said sin,

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it gets complicated, and then we
misunderstand who God is, don't we

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we do. That's one of my
favorite verses from Ecclesiastes eight to eleven.

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Because the sentence against an evil deed
is not executed immediately, the sons of

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disobedience are fully given to do what
is evil. We think, just because

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we don't get struck dead with a
bolt of lightning the moment we sin,

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we think, well, maybe God
doesn't really care, Maybe I'm the accept

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to the rule, maybe God doesn't
exist. But we often refuse God's patience

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with God's tolerance for sin. There
comes a time when God says enough,

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and God allows us to experience the
painful consequences of violating these ten commandments again,

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not because he hates us, but
just like a father loves a child,

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he wants us to experience the consequences
of our disobedience exactly well. And

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then we go back to the Garden
of Eden, you know, where Satan

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asks even Adam, you know,
did God really say, you know,

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questioning you know, God's involvement with
our lives and the things that he set

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out for us. So he brings
in that doubt. And and there's you

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know, sometimes we give, you
know, too much credit to Satan.

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Sometimes we don't give him enough,
and sometimes we misunderstand our own humanity as

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a result of our fall. Well, that's right. And you know,

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Satan isn't very original, he's not
very creative because he doesn't have to be.

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The old ways work just fine.
And you know, in the garden,

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he tempted Eve first of all by
causing her to doubt the word of

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God. Has God really said this? Did you interpret it correctly? Are

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you sure these are God's words and
not somebody else's words? And then when

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Eve said yes, he said so
and so and so and so is Satan

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tempted Eve to doubt God's character his
motive. Well, the reason God said

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that was He's trying to rob you
of something wonderful. He's jealous, he's

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paranoid, he's afraid you're going to
be like him. And Satan does the

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same thing with us Bill today,
he causes us to doubt God's word.

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Has God really given these ten commandments? Did God really give them to Moses?

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And it's for all people? And
then cause us to doubt God's character.

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Well, even if God gave them, he did it for his benefit,

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not for yours. And he set
it up, you know, again

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getting back to the basics and the
fundamentals of it all. It starts with

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who God is. He is the
creator God, and there is a specific

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way, a very holy way,
in which we are to honor God.

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Let's break down. You know,
the first commandment, if you would,

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you read it to me. I
don't have my Bible here. You read

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it to me and I'll comment on
it. Okay, I was looking at

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let's see here we must in your
book you say we must esteem God alone.

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That's right. Usually have no other
gods before me. And you know,

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of course this is a prohibition against
idol worship. But an idol is

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much more than a little statue we
bow down to. An idol is anything

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or anyone we love more than we
love God. And it can be a

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person, it can be a position, it can be a possession. But

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whenever we put more value in a
person, possession, or position, then

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we do God. We're guilty of
worshiping someone or something else. And again,

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the reason God says this is not
because he's paranoid. It's not because

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he's jealous. In a negative sense, the scripture says, God says,

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I'm jealous. But in a positive
way, God says, I don't want

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you getting distracted by other things that
will ultimately disappoint you. I am the

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only source of genuine and lasting blessing
in your life. And you know,

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and in honoring God, in understanding
the awesomeness and holiness of God. I

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mean, I was reading something this
past week about the weight of God.

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I remember when we were growing up, pastor you probably experienced the same thing.

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Everything in the vernacular was, oh, that's heavy. Yeah, remember,

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oh that's heavy, right exactly.
But when you think about out the

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holiness of God, as much as
our human mind could possibly conceive it,

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it is that's heavy. That it
really is heavy. Yeah. Yeah,

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the trials of this world seem heavy, but God is much heavier, if

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you will and substantive. I think
about that word from Paul and Second Corinthians.

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He said, for this light and
momentary affliction is not compared to the

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eternal weight of glory that awaits us. You know, think about what Paul

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had been through, beaten three times
within an inch of his life, shipwrecked,

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imprisoned, all of these things.
He said, the affliction I've suffered

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is light light? How could that
be light? Well, compared to what

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compared to what awaits me, what
we're going through right now is very light.

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If somebody said, you know,
is a brick, is it heavy

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or light? Well, it depends
on what you're comparing it to. A

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brick is very heavy compared to a
feather, that's compared to a fully loaded

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jumbo jet. It's very light.
And Paul is saying, compared to God,

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his glory, the rewards he has
for us, what we're going through

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right now is very light. Exactly. We're talking with Pester and doctor Robert

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Jeffers his new book Experiencing God's Blessing
by Rediscovering the Ten How to Live in

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Love and the World that has lost
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ten commandments. The second one thou
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Right. That's right, And this
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we are worshiping the true God.
Pardon me. So many people think that

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God is just the sum of our
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imagine him to be. I remember
my friend David Jeremiah told about a sermon

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he preached one time about the exclusivity
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a woman came up to him and
started to give him a peace of

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her minding. She really couldn't afford
to lose, and she said, doctor

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Jeremiah, I just want you to
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send somebody to Hell for not trusting
in Christ. And David said, well,

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I'm sure that's true. The God
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the God you serve is the God
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And so we need to be sure
when we're worshiping God, it's not

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whomever we think God is. It's
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God. And this is why it's
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know why this comparison always comes up
in our conversations, but I got to

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tell you, Pastor that the idea
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illegitimate. I use the comparison constantly
of bank tellers what they do in studying

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currency. They don't study the illegitimate. They study the legitimate, and by

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disciplining themselves in studying the real,
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And I think therein lies the opportunity
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draw a night to God and really
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imaginings. And this is I think, in part why God tells us not

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to make any graven images, because
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up being in our likeness. There's
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come up with could approximate the awesomeness
of an immortal God. Well, that's

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right, Bill, and that's why
it's so important to understand that the only

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depository truly that's reliable about God is
the Bible. The Bible is the only

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source of accurate information, and if
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to know God's war. Hebrews one
ten says that God in these last days

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has spoken to us through his son
Jesus. Christ is the living word of

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God. The Bible is the written
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contradiction between the living word Jesus and
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so number two thou shall not make
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three of the ten thou shalt not
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in vain. And there is a
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than just a curse word. There
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word of the name of God.
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We tend to limit taking God's name
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the ged curse, which when I
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you could possibly say, and it
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limited to cursing. For example,
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manipulate other people, we preacher types
are really bad about that. God told

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me we need to build this building, or God told me you need to

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give a million dollars to the church. Right, better be sure God really

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told us that before we invoke his
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behind it is to take God's name
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doctor Eugene Merrill's a recognized Old Testament
scholar. He translates this verse, don't

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use God's name needlessly a curse in
manipulating other people, even in joking or

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jesting. And I've been guilty of
this bill Old stories before a joke about

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two guys who go to heaven and
they stand before God and God says to

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them blah blah blah blah blah.
That seems harmless. No, that's using

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God's name needlessly. Remember Hebrews,
they thought of God's name as so sacred

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yahweh. They would even pronounce the
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our. Yeah. Even when the
even when the scribes would go and write

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the name of God right, they
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again honor uh, honor God.
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need to refocus. And like you
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your book here is that it causes
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Okay, have I been loose?
Have I been casual when it comes

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to God? And uh, you
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things, well you know, God
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you that? Are you a false
prophet? Because we read in the Old

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Testament. This got the the children
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the false prophets came out right,
that's exactly right, and there were severe

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consequences for false prophecies. You'd be
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And you know, aw Towzer said, what comes into our minds when we

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think about God is the most important
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the name of God, or when
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God, automatically there are to come
holy thoughts that God is above everyone and

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everything else. And that's why we
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sake, but also for the sake
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tend to trivialize that if they hear
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and here we are as people of
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know, the Father. Well,
how do we reflect the Father if we

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misrepresent him even in our own conversations? You know? Is that again,

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one of the recurring themes Pastor has
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or so is that we need to
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we need to be better, that
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to raise the bar a bit that
yes, we're talking about abusing and using

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the name of the Lord Thy God
in vain. But even with us and

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the things that we say, if
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know, promoters of misinformation or disinformation
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we are in a sense violating the
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And if we are impeding that reflection
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sin? It is? And remember
we are the priest of God. That's

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what Peter refers to us. You
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very own possession, a royal priesthood. What did the priests do in the

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Old Testament? He represented the people
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to the people. And we already
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is really something that helps represent God
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you know, Jesus said the Holy
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I have a sense, pastor that
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I sense the spirit just winces or
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it's a it's a shock. Uh, you know to the Spirit and uh

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and his sensitivity and uh. You
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Spirit of God, will be more
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that we will we will do better, you know. So that you know,

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Paul used a really vivid illustration of
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Corinthian six said, when you engage
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Spirit of God to a harlot.
I mean, if you're in dwelt by

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the Holy God, engage in sin, you are asking the Holy Spirit to

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join you in that sin. Now, the Holy Spirit can't join in any

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sin, so he has to think
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separate himself from the believers. There's
a separation that occurs when we engage in

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sin. It's not that we lose
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between us and God when we involve
ourselves and sin. And what was David's

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cry, You know, Lord,
do not take your Holy Spirit. I've

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messed up, right, that's right, and that's to me, that's the

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worst thing of all to imagine being
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Jesus was separated from his Heavenly Father
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why have you forsaken me? Right? And this is again being sensitive

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to the Holy Spirit in us,
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birthright. Our birthright is Christians.
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who disrespected his birthright? Yes,
right? And again I mean I'm sharing

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this with you just as we're talking, because God's bringing this up to me

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again, reinforcing and hoping our audience
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truth of God. Here is that
we need to up the game here and

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how we are participating with God's eternal
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whether it's God's name and how we
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the birthright that we have as new
creations. That's right, and that's what

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the book the ten is all about. It's about how to do that,

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not just some overt actions you can
do or not do that you can check

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off your list and say, I'm
a holy person. But in one of

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these commands, as you know,
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How do these thirty five hundred year
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whether it's don't steal, don't lie, remember the Sabbath, and keep

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that holy. How does that apply
to me right now? Exactly? It's

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amazing thirty five hundred years pasting it. You know, when you ask people,

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you go, how are you doing
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I think I've done pretty good.
The self evaluation, you know, of

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the of the Ten Commandments measured you
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But that's not you know, that's
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don't know how they know they're doing
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name more than five commandments. I
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I did take your test, by
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I you know, you probably get
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and tenth, you know, was
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it's a little bit different. But
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God's point is still well taken here. But you're exactly right. I mean,

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that's the thing that shocking is that
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country doesn't even you know, they're
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of course, ever since the mid
sixty is when our government and this movement

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of separation at church and state decided
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hallways of schools. Well, how's
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wholesale effort to remove God from the
public square, especially the schools nineteen sixty

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two prayer out of the schools,
nineteen sixty three Bible reading. But in

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nineteen eighty this was the culminating ruling
Stone versus Graham. The case was over

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whether or not Kentucky schools could just
display the Ten Commandments, not teach them,

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just display them. And the Supreme
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you can't do it, because if
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are to be displayed and have their
desired effect, it might cause school children

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to read, venerate, and perhaps
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not a permissible objective under the establishment
cause of the Constitution. I mean,

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unbelievable. We can can't post these
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them. And that's unconstitutional now,
because you want them to go murder one

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another. Well, and what happened
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Seventeen years later, at the Heath
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fourteen year old open fire on a
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killed two, seriously wounded three,
all in a Kentucky school where, seventeen

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years earlier, the most powerful court
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post the words thou shalt not kill. I'm reminded of what God said to

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jose and jose A four to six. He said, because you have forgotten

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me, I will forget you and
your children. And that's what we're happening,

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see happening right now. And the
worst of it is that people failed

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to see the connection. Pastor Yeah, and look, Bill, I'm not

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saying posting the Ten Commandments will end
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lot of things that need to be
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You cannot teach people they're nothing but
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they act that way. When you
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so is wrong. No, everybody
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need a divine standard. We need
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us, like we did for the
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country's history, that there is a
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fourteenth verse, Pastor talks about where
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epistle is that basically, you need
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up, you're going to be fooled. You know, you're on baby's milk,

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on baby formula here, and you're
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know the difference between good and evil. And this is clear right now,

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is we have a lot of immature
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know the world you understand, because
they have no interest in God and the

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things of righteousness. Okay, so
they're going to be in darkness, they're

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going to be in chaos. But
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we say, grow up, get
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be mature to know the difference of
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in Isaiah that there would be that
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good will be called evil. And
hello, we're here right now, are

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we not. We are you take
any issue somehow restricting people's right to murder

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children in the womb, that is
the greatest evil of all. To try

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to restrict that so called freedom,
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it in the same sex marriage.
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try to repress people's right to call
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two women holy and so forth.
It's just upside down. Everything's upside down.

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the Ten Commandments to tell us what's
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can decide for their own what's good
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that long ago, one hundred years
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twenty years ago, when the majority
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human being to own another human being, right slavery survived. They say,

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well, we can turn to courts. Maybe courts can tell us what's right

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and wrong. Don't forget the Supreme
Court of the United States and the Dred

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Scott case said that African Americans were
nothing more than chattel property to be exactly

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our soul and bought. However,
you wanted to. No, you need

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a divine standard, and commandments are
the starting place for that divine standard of

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what you're well. And this is
why our founding fathers said that, you

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know, if you were going to
be a legislator, you needed to believe

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in God. You needed to demonstrate
that you were a follower of God's commandments.

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Were you not? That's right,
our founder said, our system of

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government was only designed for a religious
people. I mean it's totally inadequate in

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any other kind of society to work. Yeah, it's the classic wrong Gospel,

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wrong church. You know, in
talking about the discernment of good and

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evil, we are seeing this quite
clearly in what happened a month ago on

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October the seventh in Israel. This
was absolute evil that was manifest And it's

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quite an observation to look out over
the globe and see how many people do

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not recognize evil for what it is. And I don't know why we shouldn't

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be surprised. As like you said, you know, when it comes to

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abortion, we have murdered over a
million babies. I mean over one hundred

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million babies. I should say that's
the number, over one hundred million babies,

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including Abortiveatians as well as out and
out you know the abortion procedure that

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it's taken down over sixty million,
So you know that that's a clear violation

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of the commandment that we talk about
in this book, the ten that will

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not murder, and that's what the
Hebrew says, murder rotsa. There is

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some killing that's allowed, and we
go into this. You have a right

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to kill in capital punishment. God
created capital punishment Genesis ninety six, giving

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government the right to do that.
But another instance of killing that's allowed is

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a just war. With your Catholic
background, you understand that concept. And

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we need to realize. I mean, Israel not only has the right,

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they have the responsibility to stop the
violence in their country by killing these hamas

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animals, and that is a right
that God gives them exactly. Well number

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four of the ten. Remember the
Sabbath, keep it holy. A lot

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of discussion on the Sabbath. Is
it Friday, Saturday, is it Sunday?

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You know, but God still wants
us to take a break because He

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took a break. Well, that's
right, and not because he was tired,

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as I've heard some people say.
But an example for us, look

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If there's one truth about this I
want people to understand, is it's what

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Jesus said. The man was not
created for the Sabbath. Sabbath was created

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for man exactly. We'll get all
mixed up about this. They think it's

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about what you can and can't do
on a certain day of the week.

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When I was growing up as a
Baptist, the worst thing, the most

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debauched thing anybody could do on a
Sunday, was to go to a movie.

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I mean, you watch TV and
TV football all you wanted to,

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but don't you dare go to a
My grandparents were Methodist. Every time I

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saw them go to the movie on
Sunday afternoon, I wanted to convert to

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Methodism because I wanted that freedom.
That's not what the Sabbath is about.

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God is saying you're not an animal
where you weren't meant to work twenty four

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hours a day, seven days a
week. There needs to be one day

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a week that you say no to
work and you concentrate on refreshing yourself physically,

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emotionally, and spiritually in the worship. Now the day has changed.

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It's interesting. Of the ten commandments, Jesus repeated nine of them, but

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he left out one. You know
which one he left out. Remember the

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Sabbath and keep calling because the day
of the Sabbath would change from Saturday to

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Sunday with the resurrection. But the
principle still remains. We need a time

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to take off from work. Well, it's God's gift to his creation,

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isn't it It is. It's a
wonderful gift. It's again, it's for

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our benefit. And by the way, a Sabbath includes. One way we

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refresh ourself spiritually is by gathering with
other believers. People say, what if

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I want to take my Sabbath on
Saturday. The only problem with that is

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most churches don't meet on Saturday.
They meet on Sunday. And corporate worship

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is vital to your spiritual health.
Hebrews ten twenty four and twenty five says,

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do not forsafety assembling together of yourselves, as has become the habit of

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some. We need to be together
to encourage one another spiritually. We're talking

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with Pastor Robert Jeffers his new book
to Experience God's Blessing by Rediscovering the ten

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How to live and love in a
world that has lost its way passing to

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tell you about six months, six
months, six years ago, I was

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in Israel and a Friday afternoon,
I'm there at the Western Wall and to

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watch and experience the energy and the
celebration of Jewish believers coming in to open

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up the Sabbath day. My goodness, it'll forever be in my conscience and

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my memory. How uplifting that was. You just want to be sure you

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don't get stuck on an elevator or
Shabbat elevator. With the top of every

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floor, you can't bunch the buttons
right exactly. But it was so it

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was so cool watching them come in
arm in arm, you know, praising

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God there to the Western Wall.
It was just it was really special.

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Well, like you said, it's
a gift, something to celebrate, not

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something to just try to check off. I did this. I didn't do

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that exactly. Tabbath for our benefit. Well, the fifth commandment, honor

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your father and mother. Yeah,
you know, Paul recast this command children,

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obey your parents, for this is
right. And he quoted the Deuteronomy

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version of the ten command and said, this is a commandment for the nation.

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It will bless the nation, it
will go well for you. In

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the land, and what the Bible
is saying is every well functioning society needs

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to learn to submit to authority.
And the first place we learn to submit

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to authorities in the home for children, that by obeying their parents. If

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children don't learn to submit to their
parental authority, they'll never obey their teachers.

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They'll never obey an employer or a
government official. They learned that in

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the home. But it's not just
confined to the home. When young adults

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leave, why they may not obey
their parents. They ought to seek their

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parents counsel and wisdom. A lot
of times there's victory in that council.

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But then and build This is key. We can honor or dishonor our parents

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even after they're dead, by the
way we think about them, by the

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way we speak about them. And
we ought to choose to speak about and

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remember the good things our parents did, nothing but bad things. I hope

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there are some things my children will
forget forever that I made, mistakes that

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I made, And if we want
our children to reverence us after we're gone,

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we need to model that for them
in the way we honor and speak

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about our parents. You know,
when you think about the legacy, doctor

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Jeffers. I mean that's what really, ideally is what we would want,

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right, you know that that legacy
would be passed on to generation to generation,

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all all coming you know, from
the wisdom of God, which is

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the beginning of all knowledge. Right, that's right exactly, And again,

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no parent is perfect, but we
need to learn to honor our parents.

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And I would just I've seen this
so many times, Bill, people who

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are still imprisoned by bitterness and unforgiveness, and I just remind people, forgiveness

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is something we do. We don't
wait for somebody else to do something.

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Said, if somebody is wrong,
you forgive them. It doesn't matter whether

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they're in the next room, the
next state, or in the cemetery.

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You have the power to let go
of your desire to hurt somebody for hurting

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you. Yeah, you want to
forgive often and quickly. Yes, you

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don't want that fettering, that's for
sure. The sixth Amendment that shall not

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kill, We touched on that already. You already mentioned seven thou shall not

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commit adultery. We've got about seven
minutes left here, pastor number eight thou

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shall not steal. Yeah, you
know again we're easily think that this doesn't

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apply to us, that we haven't
been involved in those smashing grab robberies we're

519
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.320
seen on TV right now, right
stores. But there are a lot of

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ways to steal when you don't work
at full late hours and give your employer

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00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:52.079
everything they're paying you for as an
employer, if you don't give your employees

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a fair wage, that's stealing to
slanger somebody is to rob them of a

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reputation. I mean, we don't
have any right to forward emails and social

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media posts that disparired somebody's character,
especially if we don't know the information we're

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passing along is true or not.
How many times have you gotten an email

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or Texas said, now, I
don't know if this is true or not,

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but thought this was interesting. That's
damaging. That's stealing somebody's reputation from

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them exactly, and also touches on, you know, bearing false witness and

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lying. I like in the ninth
grade, this is this is this was

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good. I had to underline this
when I love this. This was Winston

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Churchill who said he referred to it
as terminological in exactitude. I love that

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that you remember that, and you
noted in the book. So, yeah,

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sometimes politicians take a free pass on
this idea about line. But it's

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interesting this command is a specific kind
of line. Don't bear false witness against

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your neighbor. And God hates all
ling. And the reason is when we

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lie, we're more like Satan than
we are like otherwise that he's the father

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of lies. That's right. But
then God penpoints one kind of line,

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and that is lying about another person, passing along information that is either not

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true or unnecessary. When we speak
a word about somebody, we ought ask

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ourselves, do we really know it's
true? Is it really necessary? And

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is it really helpful? Paul said, only speak such a word as is

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good for edification, for building up
people, that it might give grace to

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those who hear it well. And
going back to the whole theme of the

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book, it's being blessed to be
blessed. When you're uplifting others, you're

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uplifting yourself, are you not?
Absolutely? Absolutely? And we're either in

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the process of building people up or
tearing people down. And the greatest thing

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we can do is encouraging one another. We use to have a person on

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our staff who used to say,
be nice to everybody because everybody's having a

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hard time. We all need encouragement. Oh amen to that. Let me

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tell you number ten, thou shall
not covet. That's you know. Some

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people don't don't quite hear that term
covet anymore of these days. But we

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know what it is. You know. When I first started studying this,

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I'll have to say I was a
little disappointed in God for closing with that

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one. I said, God,
I thought, you know, God,

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if you'd let me help you rewrite
it, I would have ended with a

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bang, with something really big,
you know, building up with the climax.

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No adultery, no murder, no
coveting. I mean, in that

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kind of a minor transgression. And
yet the truth is Bill, It's the

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basis for most of every other sin, and it's saying what God hasn't given

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me, what God has given me
is not sufficient. I need something else

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or someone else to be truly happy. God has short changed me. That

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was the basis for the first and
in the universe. Lucifer, in charge

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of all the angels, said he
wasn't happy with his position as the number

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one angel keeper. He wanted to
be like God. I will ascend to

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the Holy Mountain, I will become
like the Most High. And ever since

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that time, Satan has tried to
persuade us God hasn't given us what we

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need. We need something else,
And that craving for something else is what

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coveting is. And of course the
best antidote to it is contentment, being

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at peace and grateful for what God
has already given you. Well, and

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that's what the apostle Paul said,
I've learned to be content and essentially the

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good times and the bad times,
right, yeah, And he said,

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I learned. It doesn't come naturally
in our society. It is something we

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have to learn. But certainly one
way to be content is regularly expressing gratitude

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to God for the good things in
your life. And it's amazing how innate

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that is. Because our kids sometimes
some of the first words that they say

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isn't mom or dad, it's mine. You know, that's mine? Good?

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Where did that come from? You
know who taught you that? But

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it's amazing how that is. We've
got about two minutes left here, Pastor,

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and you know, getting back to
Israel, I think good news.

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I had heard that the faith leaders
were getting together for a national Day of

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prayer that we can all join in
with them, you know, to pray

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for the peace of Jerusalem, to
pray for God's wisdom. I mean,

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we have a lot of policy speaking
politicians, a lot of politicians, a

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lot of opinions as to how this
war should be conducted. Again, going

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back to the book of Ecclesiastes,
there's a time for war and a time

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for peace, and it would appear. And again, these are appointed times,

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these are God mandated times. And
I think that when you move in

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accordance with these god mans times,
it goes well for you. If you

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violate it, then not so much. Right, That's exactly right. And

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you said it at the top of
the show. This is ultimately a spiritual

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battle that is going on. God
promised Israel his protection, her endurance forever.

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Satan has tried to nullify God's promise
by destroying Israel. He's empowered people

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like Froh Herod and Takis Epiphanes and
Adolph Hitler to try to destroy the Jewish

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people. And these leaders have been
destroyed in the process. And Hamas I

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ran, they're not just waging war
against Israel, They're waging war against God

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and c the war nobody can win. Well, you know, and that

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was the thing I was going to
ask you. My final question is that

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this is a time of revelation,
isn't it? It is? And I

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just started a series yesterday interrupted my
study of Ephesians. I've been a six

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part series. Are we living in
the End Times? And by the way,

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that book just comes out tomorrow,
Oh, living in the end times?

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00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.239
People can go to our website for
Pathway to Victory PTV dot org and

603
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.239
get a copy of it. Well. Even doctor Graham before he passed away,

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was asked by a reporter, doctor
Graham, are these the last of

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the you know? Are these the
last days? And he says, oh,

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no, they're the last of the
last days. And that's exactly what

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I talked about yesterday. You know, many people don't know Billy Graham was

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a member of our church for fifty
four. I remember that, Yes,

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exactly, yeah, And he had
a way of saying it. I believe,

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and Bill, what I always say
to people, are these the end

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times? I don't know about for
the world, but I'm living in my

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end times. I both at the
eight I've got about twenty more years and

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one of two things is going to
happen. Either he's coming or I'm going,

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but the end is closed for all
of us. Amen. Well,

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Pastor, can I thank you enough? The book is awesome Again, Ladies

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and gentlemen. You must read this. And you may think, oh,

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how parochial. You know the ten
command and you know, I've had it

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on my wall. Maybe it's been
there even still even though it was taken

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down the hallways of education. Maybe
they're still in the hallway of your home.

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But uh, this is a chance
to reconnect with first principles and to

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uh and to you know, do
better, think better, be better.

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Uh and and this will will go
a long way. And this is I'll

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tell you. I saw the comments
on h on some of the readers on

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this and they said they just couldn't
put it down. They thought, well,

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this is pretty academic, but once
they got into it, just uh

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it raptured them, you know.
And I appreciate By the way, listeners

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can get the book at Amazon dot
com. And there is a study guide

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that goes along with it that makes
it great for a small group Bible premy

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school class. Great idea again to
wrap things up. Where can they go

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for more information? Pastor Or again. Amazon dot com has it on sale

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right now, or you can go
to our website at PTV dot org for

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Pathway to Victory and you can get
either the or the new book Are We

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Living in the End Times? Doctor
Robert Jeffers has been our guest his book

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The Ten How to Live and Love
in a World that has Lost its Way.

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Pastor, thank you so much for
being with us. You bless us

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so much. I appreciate you,
Bill, It's always fun. Thanks for

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having me. You take care of
our Thanks to Pastor Robert Jeffers, Well,

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what a great man of God and
insight and how God has used him

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to bless us. We thank him
greatly for being a part of this show,

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and I thank you for sharing a
part of your day with us and

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for more information on this show and
to be a part of this mighty movement

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to return to God. Check it
out Bill Martinez Show dot com. May

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God bless you and keep you and
make His face shine upon you. May

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He be gracious unto you and give
you his peace. Thank you so much

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for being with us. God bless
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