Science And Data-Driven Policing Works!

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FOURCY Radio. Well, thank you, and welcome. Welcome to Build a

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Martinez. Good to have you with
us here. We're going to talk about

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the science and data driven policing that
does work. Doctor curry Meyer is going

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to be joining us. Any points
out that policing American cities is not easy,

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especially in areas with chronic and high
rates of crime. But you know,

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there's a science and data driven approach
to that has tremendous potential for making

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neighborhoods safer. It's called law enforcement
Combined Action Teams or league hats for short.

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The retired sheriff who has a combined
thirty five years of professional experience as

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a law enforcement officer at the local, state, and federal level, and

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as a criminologist, professor, and
university executive, is here to explain doctor

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Curry Myers. Welcome to the show. Good to have you with us,

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sir, pleasure to be on.
Thanks so much. Sorry with you.

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Well, you know a lot of
pain in River City, especially in these

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urban cities in blue states particularly that
have gone absolutely vertical in terms of you

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know, kind of crime. I
mean, what was it last night?

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We just had her. Yesterday we
had a congressman whose car was was hijacked

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and by gun in Washington, d
C. And so this is supposedly a

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gun free zone Washington, DC.
So you know, it's equal opportunity.

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Nobody is protected. Well, we
start out gun free zones. Uh,

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I make the argument on the on
the gun. When anybody brings up gun

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regulations or restrictions, is the answer, My first response are criminals by nature

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do not follow laws. So it
seems like a pretty basic axiom in common.

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That's pretty basic. So I want
to cause people for especially elected officials,

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who think that they have the handle
or the answer to everything that can

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be done legislatively. There are some
things you just can't do, and what

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it ends up doing is the unattended
consequences, which actually becomes an abridgment to

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the Second Amendment of the of the
United States Constitution. So I know of

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the only we have gun laws on
the books. My recommendation is that if

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you have a felon in posies,
they should be charged with felon in possession

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of a firearm. If a person
commits a crime with a firearm, there

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should be a charge. There is
a charge, and there should be a

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charge against that person for possession of
a weapon. And then naturally, if

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they use the weapon, that should
be an additional charge, either additional charge

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or in sentencing they use it as
an enhancement sentencing of the charge. So

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let's stop trying to introduce more laws
and let's deal with the laws that are

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on the books. But it seems
like most of these folks don't want to

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They actually don't want to enforce the
laws that are against the criminals. Criminals

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for some reason have become victims and
victims have become criminals. And look what's

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happening. It's the criminals that are
running the straits of America. After George

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Floyd, we had the movement to
fund police And how's that working for you

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now? Right? Oh my goodness. If you look at the I don't

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know if they're unintended consequences or intended
consequences. Some may argue that they're intended.

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But what's occurred as a result of
the of the riots of twenty twenty

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has flipped the criminal justice system on
its ear, which it was should have

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never been intended to do. There
are opportunities for important for improvement and law

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enforcement, and I write about this
all the time in my substack that's doctor

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Currymeyers dot substack dot com. So
there's things that we can do better or

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different. But when you flip it
on its ear and you have a defund

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movement, the cause and effect of
that is we've had police officers leaving droves.

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We've had we've had retirements, we've
had early retirements, we've had senior

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field officers leave with ten fifteen years
on the job, and we have a

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problem actually bringing people into the profession. So this is something that can't be

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fixed immediately. This is we're going
to fill the effects of this for decades

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to come, no doubt about it. I mean, it's not like you

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can go down to I keep telling
our audience, it's not like you can

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go to Costco, go to Aisle
fifteen and go find yourself a police officer

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with fifteen twenty years worth of experience. And sadly, these police officers for

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the most part, are gone.
There's no return for them because too much

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is at risk and they see how
reckless these cities have become and it puts

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them in jeopardy and it protects the
criminal. As you say, so,

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who wants to be in that environment
when you don't have a fair chance to

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be successful at doing a job,
especially one that is as dangerous as being

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a police officer, who is there
to serve and protect and then woth Politicians

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actually have doubled down on a lot
of this, For instance, hiring standards

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and many urban sectors have been lowered, which is incredibly stupid. You want

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police officers to be at the highest
level of ethics and morality because they have

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a difficult job and they're constantly exposed
to nefarious actions and activity. So now

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they're actually letting some people who become
police officers can have lower level felonies and

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still become a police officer. Well, what a lot of people may not

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realize is that a police officer has
an enormous amount of data at their disposal

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to look up things about you,
and it's important that those things be looked

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up only when they have a legal
requirement to look those up. There's intelligence

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reports, there's federal information, there's
state information, there's local information. And

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someone who's up to no good is
going to use that for bad things if

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they've been a bad actor in their
previous life. So I cautioned, this

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is what happened in Memphis. Memphis
lowered their standards instead of raised their standards.

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And of the five officers that were
involved in the brutal beating of that

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one citizen, three of them were
hired and had actually previous criminality associated with

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them. You know, you talk
about some of these cities having a hard

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time finding police officers. It was
reported here recently the city San Francisco has

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now gone out to Austin, Texas
to try to find law you know,

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potential law enforcement officers. So they're
recruiting out of Texas, which is interesting

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because for many years the governor of
Texas recruited businesses out of California because of

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the tax advantages and you know,
a market that supported businesses. So I

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find it ironic that now you've got
a city in California it's so desperate that

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they're willing to try to recruit out
of Austin, not having a great amount

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of success, by the way,
because these kids are smart enough to figure

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out that it's I mean, if
they go there, they're going to have

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to deal with a very liberal state
where you know, the kind of woke

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policies that you've referred to run quite
rampant. Well, if any any police

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officer that leaves the set now,
Austin has its own wolfissues. Yeah right,

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And they're finding out too. They're
dealing with those, and they're starting

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to ratchet back a little bit because
it's hurt their department significantly and their police

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chief just resigned it not too long
ago as a result of it. But

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police officers are not going to go
to California. They're not going to go

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to Oregon. They're not going to
go to Washington, They're not going to

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go to Minneapolis. They're not going
to go to New York. They're not

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going to go to Illinois. I
can go down a whole litany of places

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and it's because the number one,
the department has to back them. And

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I'm not saying back then when they're
doing something wrong. I'm talking about be

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supportive of law enforcement and ensure that
they get the right kind of training,

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they get the right budgets, they
get to do the right things and be

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held accountable. The other thing is
they no police officer wants to go to

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a state where there isn't enforcement of
the law. And if prosecutors aren't enforcing

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the law and judges aren't sentencing,
once somebody gets convicted appropriately, then police

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officers are going to say I'm out
of here. And so it's actually work.

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We have in the Midwest. We
have recruited a number of New York

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City police officers. I know Florida
has been very successful exactly in bringing officers

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down and even giving them stipens for
they used to never it was let me

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back. When I was a police
officer back in the eighties and nineties,

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it was extremely unusual for police officer
to leave to go to another state because

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generally you had to start back over. Yes, you didn't get you know,

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I mean, your pay started over, your ten years started over,

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your seniority, all those kinds of
things, Bill, And you know what

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they're doing now. They're bringing you
in at a higher level, equal,

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if not more, to the pay
that you once had. And they're also

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bringing you in with the seniority that
you had at that department in many why

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not? Why not? I think
I think that's smart you got. You've

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got an asset there with these with
these men and women, with all the

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experience, like we referred to.
You can't train somebody and deposit into their

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brain and into their every aspect of
who they are, fifteen years worth of

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experience. That's something you have to
you have to do on the job out

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on the field, not something that
I can put I can, you know,

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dump into your skull in a classroom. Well, it probably takes somewhere

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in the neighborhood of two hundred and
fifty two hundred to two hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars to train a police officer
up to be at the level that you

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want them in, you know,
and that includes the first year, not

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only going through the academy, going
through the equipment expense, going through all

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the ride alongs ensuring that they're partners, looking at them and observing them and

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making sure that they do better.
Extra training that occurs, it's extremely expensive,

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and you would much rather hire people
that already had that training and basically

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have introduced them to your own you
know, specific laws of the state that

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you're going to and maybe SOPs of
your organization as opposed to completely start over.

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And I will tell you, Bill, one of my biggest concerns,

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especially in the urban sectors, is
they have a depletion of law enforcement officers.

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We're going to see elected officials rely
on fines, fees, and forfeitures

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to supplant police budgets. And what
that means is it's using police as a

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form of revenue. So I give
Chicago as a perfect example where they put

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up somewhere in the neighborhood of two
hundred and fifty to five hundred cameras alone

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on the streets and highways, and
their primary mission was to use it for

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using fines to supplant the police budget. The pol the police department didn't even

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they don't believe in that, but
the mayor at that time, Lori Lightfoot,

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approved that, and they had cameras
anywhere. And if you want to

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talk about an abridgment to freedom,
then all of a sudden, you get

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a bill in the mail for one
hundred and fifty bucks or two hundred bucks

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because you supposedly were driving too fast. And oh, by the way,

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LORI lightfoot lowered the miles per hour
that a ticket could be given so that

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more of them could be given.
So I am a big believer that a

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police officer, if you're going to
get sited or it needs to be by

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a well trained police officer in person. Well, and I also maintained that

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you need to have some sort of
remedy to where if you want to challenge

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said ticket, that you can you
know, here recently, I got to

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tell you, doctor Myers, I
was in a small city in Georgia and

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a bus was a three lane road
on east side, so six lanes total,

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three lanes. I'm on the inside
lane. The bus is way off

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to the right, lower right,
out of the way. I'm you know,

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we're there visiting. And I go
driving down the road and in less

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than I would say, less than
thirty seconds, as I'm passing the bus,

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all of a sudden, the stop
sign flips out right. Well,

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their algorithms in their system registers that
as an offense. Now, I'm not

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anywhere close to the bus. The
bus is way off to the right and

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uh and I'm I mean, there's
no way even if I if I'd have

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seen the sign and slammed my brakes
on, I probably would have caused an

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accident. Uh. It was it
was crazy. And then when I called

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them, because they sent me a
notice, you know that a notice of

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violation, and I tried to,
you know, call the clerk, the

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clerks as well, it's not in
our venue. We're not the ones that

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are purview, we're not the ones
that handle it. It's it's the company

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that issued the ticket, which was
a company out in Texas, and so

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I tried to contact them, and
they claimed they didn't have the uh,

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they didn't have the ability to do
anything with it. That I had to

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go back to the county clerk,
went back to the clerk and uh.

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And it was just one big,
you know, frustrating circle of and waste

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of time. And I still haven't
gotten this thing resolved. And because I

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you know, just out of principle. It's almost because even the clerk,

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you know, they he did pull
up the video and he says, yeah,

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we see, we see your dealers
but we can't do anything about it.

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Well, and for you for them
not to be able to if that

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was set up that way, that's
absolutely wrong. It's I'm against camera camera

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used for violations to begin with,
right, But if it's going to be

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set up where you've got to go
to a corporation to get this, but

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the corporation says they're not empowered to
do that, so then you have to

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to your pointing back and forth,
Yeah, you have to set up a

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court date that's like fourteen fifteen hours
away one way, or twelve hours that

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I'd have to drive, you know, up there, and uh, and

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you have to be there in person. There's nothing. You can't even do

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a zoom a zoom meeting or have
a conference call with anybody who could adjudicate,

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you know, a two hundred and
fifty dollars fine, So they're counting

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on that that you just you know, you surrender, You send the two

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hundred and fifty bucks and you know, move on. Well, and the

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other thing is what they hope They
don't expect people like you to to fight

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it. You are, but the
vast majority of people don't have the time,

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they're not willing to invest the time, and they're end up gonna they'll

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they'll usually contact the prosecutor and get
the charge reduced to something that's not going

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to affect their license, and they
pay, you know, twice as much

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for the fine in it. And
and so the city still makes money on

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those kinds of things. So this
is this is one of those opportunities for

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improvement. I write about a lot, and I caution people because I'm starting

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to see more and more of it. Uh. Number one, because the

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city, not counties. You don't
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states doing this. By and large, cities are the ones that supplant their

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budgets with fines in particular. YA, fees and forfeitures affect all agencies,

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but finds in particular generally are in
city departments. Right, you know,

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when you were talking about out you
know these these states in cities that people,

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particularly police officers, are shunning.
It seems that the thing that they

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have in common is that they're run
by the Democrats. They are woke,

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and they are putting their very citizens
in jeopardy. Here as the crime rates

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in blue states versus red states,
so to speak, have continued to you

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know, to increase dramatically, and
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The American people at large, especially
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going to tolerate this, although you
know, it's clear that some people have

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already had enough. They're moving out
of New York, they're moving out of

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Illinois they can afford to California.
I think u Hal says that is their

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number one state of truck rentolds moving
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So people are voting with their feet. But it's much much more diabolical

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than just you know what's happening,
because it seems like this is systemic.

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Doctor Myers. You you've been studying
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looking at, you know, this
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law enforcement, our Attorney General,
the FBI, the Shenanigans they've been doing,

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you know, they've been getting away
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corrupt they seem to be. This
is sending the wrong message out to other

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people in law enforcement, I believe, and it's giving the wrong impression to

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everyday citizens that you know, they're
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about one percent of the counties are
responsible about for forty percent of the homicides

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that are occurring in the United States
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that will tell you you a lot. And those one percent of counties are

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all, not partially, all of
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administered by leftist politicians. I'm not
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is no Democrat that's, you know, running things anymore. It's people that

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have decided to do woke criminal justice
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that number in itself, you know, there's still crime in other areas of

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the country. There's still homicides that
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but our crime was would not be
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of counties that have actually taken their
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decriminalize virtually everything right, and in
doing that, they have incentivized all the

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wrong behavior. And the matrix is
quite clear. I mean, you look

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at the numbers. The empirical evidence
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the whole process of corrections is to
correct people. And if you don't

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correct people, then there's no carrot
and stick to ensure that people are going

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to do right. Listen, humans
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away with something, especially if we
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the three legged stool of success,
which is the lack of family, faith,

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and formation. And the more family
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mitigated or reduced with a person,
the more that they lose touch with the

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boundaries that they're supposed to have,
the civic nature that they're supposed to have,

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and they're more inclined to commit crime. And so if and then you

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throw so you throw that in itself, which is really a social contagion that's

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going on. That's one. You
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two, which means we have less
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for those police officers. So you
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third is that we've had woke prosecutors
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every crime that's committed, which that's
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to do. I have no problem
with understanding cashless bail if you're a one

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time offender, if you don't have
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give you an opportunity to succeed.
If you commit crime and continually to commit

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commit crime, then you have to
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then last if you decriminalize everything,
then what are you going to arrest people

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for to keep you know, to
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when you even bother to have a
police force. Yeah, just realize,

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Bill, I mean Bill, just
recently in Seattle, one of the teenagers

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that was arrested for a murder charge. The judge sentenced him to we gave

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him no bail, so he did
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for Pete's sake. Oh wow.
The teenager was stunned and said, you

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mean I don't get home detention and
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expectation now is you are going to
get out regardless of the crime that you

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commit and if you if you there's
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a violent offender, you should under
most cases bail should be extremely high or

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not granted if if you have a
significant criminal history. And the other thing

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is if you have a significant commit
a criminal history and you could commit a

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low level offense. Then that is
where you need to pause about bail,

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and the judge should really reflect whether
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But we have and and the judges
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And so that means prosecutors need to
say more, own, judge, we're

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not going to have any we expect
no bail for this person. They need

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to stand up and and actually put
these guardrails in and it's automatically going to

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make the streets safer. But but
you're you're you're putting it on the prosecutors.

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But where are the judges. I
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liberal judges that have taken over I
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they're they're they're rather activists in nature, which is just adding to the problem.

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And as you say, promoting these
criminals. Now it's like the victims,

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I mean, everything's been turned upside
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are the criminals, and uh,
you know, and the criminals become the

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victims. It's so bizarre that where
even in some of these cities, like

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we talked about, you can steal
up to you know, about what nine

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hundred and ninety nine dollars. I
mean, I know who's running the data

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California. You can hire, yeah, but I mean and without peril,

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without any consequence whatsoever. So then
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And now you're getting the net effect
of these businesses saying I'm out of

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here. You know, I can't
make money here. I mean, it's

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tough enough when you're having to deal
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you know, some petty theft.
But now this is amounting into the billions

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of dollars. It's costing these big
chains who who hire local people, and

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they can't afford it anymore. So
they've they've allowed the judges, the prosecutors.

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The system is, you know,
is crippling these local businesses. No,

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I agree, And Bill, I
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uh don't have an involvement at this
at all. Oh, I didn't.

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I didn't take it that. I
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I yeah, because I agree with
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just like the prosecutor, and many
of them come from the same woke ilk

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yes, these urban areas, and
they actually believe what they believe, but

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it does take. If a prosecutor
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it's very important for a judge to
pause and say what are you doing?

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You know and know where this person? Well, kind of like what happened

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with Hunter Biden, right, the
judge read read the sement, say have

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you ever seen anything like this?
This is insane? Right, which they

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didn't before. I mean not the
same judge, but a judge before apparently

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was okay with some of the things
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absolutely, And I just wrote a
substack on you mentioned businesses. I just

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wrote a substack on the unintended consequences
of crime on businesses and it's astounding what's

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going on, and the public sees
it, you see it. But we

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have a large amount of criminal activity
that's going unabated. And as a result,

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what does the business community do.
They start looking at their bottom line

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and if they know there were somewhere
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dollars and losses just in this year
alone, it's increased significantly. And most

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of this has occurred starting from about
twenty nineteen on and that's when crime started

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to spike so a lot of people
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We saw a little bit of this
prior to the riots in twenty nineteen,

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and then the riots just opened the
floodgates. But businesses are going to

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say, I'm only gonna I'm only
going to take the loss for so much,

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and at some point it makes more
money for me to shut down and

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not even operate than to than to
operate. And so what we're doing is

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just recently, I think we've seen
nine Target stores and all in urban sectors

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that are closing. We saw Walmarts
all of the same thing. We've even

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seen places like Starbucks who have who
have supported these movements. Target Target,

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by the way, supported the movements
too, so they're filling the consequences for

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their support. And then the other
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C. I find this fascinating.
So Washington d C is a it's a

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heck hole. I mean, it's
there is people are having a hard time

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there not being with There was just
a reporter killed last night in an in

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home invasion. Uh, there's a
four increase in carjackings that are occurring in

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those areas, the high murder rate. It's one of and I love Washington,

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d C. I used to be
one of my favorite places to go

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visit right uh and because I'm a
his orient and I just when i'm there,

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it's just a special place. And
it's been turned to a place where

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people don't want to go and there
are now So politicians did this by having

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woke criminal justice policy, and then
businesses react by saying I'm leaving or and

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a lot of them have said,
well, we're not going to take cash

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anymore because a lot of the cash
is causing more crime. And so the

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city of Washington, d C just
put out just this, Yeah, I

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just saw that on you, and
they said, you've got to allow cash

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now. And so the businesses don't
know what to do because if you have

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cash, you have more cash management
issues. And don't forget about internal theft.

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A lot of these thieves are internal
employees because it's hard to hire good

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people. So it's a it's something
you see all that you're talking about here

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when you talk about you know,
the three leggage store and all see it

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all sits on the foundation of what
John Adams said, and that is that

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our constitution is made for a moral
and righteous people. Okay, you take

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morality out of the picture, and
you allow people to run rampid like they

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are right now, the Constitution is
imploding. It's falling on itself. The

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mere weight and lack of moral authority
and moral foundation is just allowing the foundation

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of the Constitution to implode on itself. Well, anytime you have this lack

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of faith and family information, it
begins to develop into moral relativism exactly.

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And moral relativism as it is it
you know, it's kind of like communism

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sometimes when you when you look up
the definition, you go, oh,

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that's I wish everybody could do what
they do. You know, it's such

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a perfect word and all these kinds
of things. But ultimately you become self

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absorbed in moral relativism and the other
person no longer counts. Well, nobody's

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accountable under that kind of thinking,
exactly, and it leads to it leads

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to anarchy, yes, and most
importantly, it leads when you couple that

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with the fact that we don't have
families and we don't have faith. The

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first thing is faith, family,
and formation. So we have to have

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a faith understanding that we're serving something
greater than ourselves exactly. And there's a

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there's guidelines to follow. And I
would say God was the first football coach

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because the Ten Commandments gave us we
know what to do. You know that

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God created the playing field correctly,
right, So I mean all that,

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but we know we know that we're
broken as humans, and we know that

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we sin and we make these mistakes. But but but understanding and knowing that

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you've committed sinful behavior. We have
people today that don't know that they're committing

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sinful behavior right when you and I
might might view those different. So that's

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one thing. And then if you
look at the family, if you don't,

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we have fatherlessness that is an all
all time high exactly in the in

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the in the black community. It's
it's eighty percent, right and then and

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and that's and that's brought to you
by by government bureaucracies and their idea that

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they could they could do a better
job. And so here it is Reagan's

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warning. I'm here from the government, and I'm here to help, right

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and look how much they've helped these
black families in promoting fatherlessness and single motherhood,

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uh and and abortion and on and
on. Right, So when you

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have you have that lack. You
have the lack of faith. You don't

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have families anymore that are intact,
and then all of a sudden, who's

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going to form your children? Yes, so the formation of that show.

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You don't have a father giving guidelines, given boundaries, holding people accountable.

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You don't have a more mother often
that's giving that love, providing the boundaries

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that she provides. So we have
children in today's world, it's not necessarily

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their fault. We have children in
today's world that are lost, yes,

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and they don't know where to go. So the only really places that they

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can go are, in my opinion, two different areas, and one is

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the internet and the other one is
in groups. Right, because because observational

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learning is how we are formed if
we're not given guardrails. Now, consider

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this for just a moment, just
as you laid this out, Uh,

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doctor Curry Myers, who is our
guest right now. He is a former

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law enforcement officer at local, state, and federal levels. You know,

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consider this add to the mix.
Now, the millions of illegal migrants who

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have come across the border illegally and
that are beholden to card tells. How

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is that going to add to the
problems that we are currently experiencing in the

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local communities, especially when you talk
about formation, so Bill might if it's

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adding, it's become a perfect storm
because all the stuff we just were talking

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about is already insane. And then
oh, by the way, we're also

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going to have no borders. Yeah, and so we have people coming into

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this country. There are many people
that want to come to this country because

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they want to escape lawlessness, ruthlessness. I get that, but let's make

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it simple for a second. If
we have ten million people come into this

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country and even five percent are up
to criminal no good, imagine the number

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that that is. Oh yeah,
and the fact that it's and I'm talking

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about now, I believe it's higher
because we really don't know the backgrounds that

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are going on. And we're seeing
the killer that just escaped in Pennsylvania not

412
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too long ago, wanted for murder
and actually serve time and murder for Brazil.

413
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And what a lot of people once
again do not realize, is in

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South America and Central America and to
some extent the islands of the Caribbean like

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Cuba, for instance, in Haiti, they are letting out their prisons and

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letting out their jails. First,
well, Trump was right when he said

417
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they're not sending their best, are
they No? And that's I mean,

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those are proven facts. It's not
innuindo. Those are the people that's being

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let out. If you look at
for every hundred people that cross the border,

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ninety percent of them are young,
single males that are crossing in the

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border. Now let's take it a
step further. If we want to cause

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terrorism, what's the best way to
infiltrate and come into this country. Well,

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you use the lax immigration system to
come in to the border. So

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we have Middle Eastern terrorist organizations,
we have the Chinese military. We're all

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specifically coming into this country through the
border and setting up in different areas of

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this country. So we know,
specifically for the Chinese before we had a

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00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.440
balloon for Pete's sake, go over, a spy balloon, go over and

428
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.639
hover over very sensitive things. Let's
say that we have just five thousand Chinese

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soldiers, which that's nothing compared to
the millions of people that are crossed in

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So there's a very good chance we
have five thousand highly trained Chinese soldiers that

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have come into this country illegally and
they've set up locations. We know that

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the Chinese have set up police departments, for Pete's sake in America, their

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own police departments, and they're setting
up to spy on people and to potentially

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do intelligence gathering on soft targets and
be involved in criminal activity themselves. So

435
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.079
it only took nineteen only took nineteen
on nine to eleven, right, exactly,

436
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.519
that's exactly true. So we have
that in the Middle Eastern terrorist organization.

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00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:29.000
So you throw the borders and we
have fentanyl. That is it's I

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00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:34.920
consider it a poison. It is
a drug that it's being sent to us

439
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:42.599
by the Chinese and working with the
cartels of the Mexican drug trafficking organizations purposely

440
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:47.440
to send into the United States as
a poison to get people addicted. Because

441
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:54.480
it's one dropper foll is the cut
for you know if literally twenty pounds could

442
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.039
kill an entire state. Yes,
spentanol. So it's an amazing amount of

443
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.400
fitball. Well we're losing I don't
know. I've heard numbers anywhere from seventy

444
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:10.159
to one hundred thousand people overdose on
fenanol. I mean this is in a

445
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.719
sense, it's a form of biological
warfare that is being executed by the communist

446
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.280
Chinese. That's the point of origin. But you know, the communist Chinese,

447
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.039
they got away with COVID. They're
getting away with this. And then

448
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.159
cartels are building up an infrastructure within
our country. It's not just on the

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00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.920
other side of the border. People
think, oh, well, the cartels,

450
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.559
you know they stop. No,
they are. Well, they're about

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00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:37.119
in every state of the Union.
They have operations for drug running, for

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00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.360
human trafficking, for sex trafficking of
young girls. Oh, by the way,

453
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.079
you know, this is all going
on here in our country. And

454
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.239
this is all being done on purpose, by design. This is not by

455
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.480
accident. What the current administration is
doing to this country. They all I

456
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:59.719
can figure, doctor Myers, is
they must hate America so bad that you

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00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.599
know when it all started with Barack
Obama when he talked about the fundamental transformation

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of America. Well, you're seeing
it right now. This is the fundamental

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This is the next phase of the
fundamental transformation that he talked about. I

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00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.159
think people will do anything to say
well, bad, people will do anything

461
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:22.880
to stay in power, yes,
and use that power against you in including

462
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.400
and we don't know what kind of
alignments that people may have with the Chinese.

463
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.840
There are there are there's a lot
of money out there and people,

464
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.480
if you have no morals and no
values, you're going to get aligned towards

465
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.400
that money. And we already have
and we've seen it's one of the accusations

466
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:45.239
in the Biden crime family is the
potentially payments from Chinese. So how do

467
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.800
you look the other way? And
some of these things on purposely? Those

468
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:53.000
are all questions that have to be
asked. You know, I emphatically can't

469
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.079
say yes, but I can't,
but I certainly can't say no, right,

470
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and so you never know how much
what kind of people have been bought

471
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off, and you have that.
I mean, we had a US senator

472
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.239
just the other day in New Jersey
that you know, again he gets his

473
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:13.639
day in trial, but he has
been accused of taking money from the Egyptians

474
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.280
and giving and again he's been accused
of it, so he gets his day

475
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.599
in court. But the whole purpose
of getting that money was the funnel intelligence

476
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.920
back to the Egyptians. So exactly, well, you know, doctor Myers,

477
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:31.000
you've had so much experience and you
talk about formation, you can see

478
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:37.519
how things are lining up and our
political system has been so compromised. I

479
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.719
mean, Peter Schweitzer, Miranda Devine. There's been extensive writing and research on

480
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.760
this of our elected officials being captured. Trevor Lauden, who's done a lot

481
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:53.159
of vetting, in fact, wrote
a recent book just citing fifteen elected senators

482
00:39:53.360 --> 00:40:00.280
who are compromised. He said even
earlier in an interview that I had with

483
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:06.519
him that in the House there's over
one hundred card carrying Democrat communists, communist

484
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:13.480
Democrats who are in our government.
So they're well entrenched. It is shocked

485
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.199
to me. You wonder, you
go, how can these people put their

486
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hand on the Bible and swear to
defend our constitution against all enemies foreign and

487
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.920
domestic. How can they take that
kind of oath when they know in their

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00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.679
hearts of hearts they're lying through their
teeth. Yeah, not just elected officials,

489
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but people that they've hired and now
work in the government. Yeah,

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00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.639
it's all part of the cabal.
I mean, you know, Barack Obama

491
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when he left office, in order
to secure his legacy, he made sure

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I think it was four thousand of
his people that were, you know,

493
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.239
part of the bureaucracy or part of
his administration so that they would not lose

494
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their job. He moved them,
he conveniently and strategically moved them into government

495
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:06.360
service so that they would maintain a
position within the government. And UH set

496
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.400
up these, as you say,
these guard rails, you know, to

497
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.280
uh, you know, to produce
a specific result that had nothing to do

498
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:19.840
with our constitution but had everything to
do with this diabolical plan to bring America

499
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.280
down. Well, and the hiring
process again has changed so much. I

500
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:30.280
mean, you go back to when
I was hired, significant backgrounds were done

501
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.679
in anything that would come up,
would would basically ultimately comportise to stepardize the

502
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:42.519
opportunity to work. And now,
I mean, there are many many mental

503
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.360
health issues that people have they're getting
hired. There's different types of perversions going

504
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.079
on. They still get hired because
apparently everything's okay, that you can do

505
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.440
right and there's there's nothing wrong.
You're okay, I'm okay, and you

506
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.719
know your truth. Your truth is
your truth, and my truth and everything's

507
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.000
all. I mean, there's things
in the DSM. You know, when

508
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.639
when I went to school and as
a criminologist and studied the DSM, four

509
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:15.119
that said was abhorrent and and against
the common good are perfectly allowed. Now

510
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:21.639
we're at a point where we even
want to give children the right to change

511
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:25.840
their sex and change their gender without
parent notification. That's how far we've gone

512
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:31.159
down in a slippery slope compared to
twenty years ago, where if you cross

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00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:37.280
dress you wouldn't have even been able
to get hired. A yeah, how

514
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.480
and the thing is so amazing.
Everybody's head is spinning, doctor Myers,

515
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.800
because this has happened with such rapidity. I mean, this, this hasn't

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00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.360
taken you know, decades. It
almost seems like this this radical sexual you

517
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.679
know, I call it perversion.
I know some people might take exception to

518
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.280
that, but you know, but
my definition this is it is a demonstration

519
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.599
of perversion to do what we're doing, and also criminal to you know,

520
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.440
for schools to do this to kids
without parental notification, and on and on.

521
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.719
But I mean, this has happened
in such a short period of time,

522
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.199
and I guess we can be grateful
for COVID, you know, because

523
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.679
COVID exposed that, didn't it.
Yeah, I did expose a lot of

524
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.760
things. As a matter of fact. That A big concern of mine is

525
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:32.119
using public health to enforce certain criminal
statutes or to try to affect public policy

526
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.360
a certain way. Right. We
saw that with mask mandates, where many

527
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.400
of the of the mayor's woke mayors
and some of the woke governors wanted to

528
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.800
use police to enforce mask masking.
We've seen it with whether or not shots

529
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.519
have been done, whether or not
your group separations to occur, And most

530
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:59.199
recently we saw the new Mexico governor
try to enforce Second Amendment bans based on

531
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:05.519
public health, which is incredible.
Luckily a federal judge struck that down,

532
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.440
but it's my goodness, it takes
a federal drudge judge to strike that down.

533
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.199
She should have been run out of
her state on rails correctly with.

534
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.920
So that's the kind of stuff we
are seeing. And when you don't have

535
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.920
those boundaries again, you don't have
that faith, family and formation. Our

536
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.000
kids are going to get lost into
the into the internet, and into group

537
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:32.719
and group activities, and that's where
the dark psychological traits can can really fester

538
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.000
and come out in somebody. And
so I think we're seeing an increase,

539
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:45.880
especially in the dark tetrads, which
is Machiavelianism narcissism, certain psychopathies, and

540
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.320
sadism. And then when you think
of psychopathies, think of like the overabundance

541
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.480
of the seven Deadly sins if you
will to make it easy, and then

542
00:44:53.559 --> 00:45:00.719
sadism and then so you know,
and in particular, young adult boys can

543
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.880
become sucked into the dark tetrads.
And we're seeing that with the use of

544
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.440
Internet, and you think of internet
and group violence, we're seeing all times

545
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.360
high of group violence. We're seeing
groups doing it. Used to be a

546
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:22.639
shoplifting was one person, two people. We're seeing shoplifting where fifty people,

547
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.400
one hundred people will come into a
store and just rampage it. We're seeing

548
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.840
car jaggings that are done by groups
of people. We're seeing we're seeing robberies

549
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.400
done by groups, home invasions done
by groups, burglaries done by groups.

550
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:43.519
Never before we've seen that kind of
group behavior where you can be de individualized,

551
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:49.400
where you can be lost in an
anemony, and you can kind of

552
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.639
disappear and people guess what they're doing. They're masking up because we allowed masks

553
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.920
to occur, and the whole purpose
of masking up is to conceal one's identity.

554
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.239
Exactly, so it's never ending.
Well, this is this is a

555
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.679
generational issue. This isn't going to
be something we correct overnight. I think

556
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.280
this could take a long time,
you know, to write the ship doctor

557
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.400
Craie Meyers. We've got about three
and a half minutes remaining here. I

558
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.400
want to give you an opportunity to, you know, summarize what we've talked

559
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.599
about, to talk about solutions.
What can we do, because we need

560
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:30.719
to do something systematic to offset this
insanity that's happening, and it starts with

561
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.840
one citizen at a time being courageous
enough to know what it is that they

562
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.800
believe in and what they stand for
and for whom they're standing. Oh definitely,

563
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:45.440
And first, thank you so much. It's an honor to be on

564
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:50.719
your show. And the fact that
I'm able to give a long interview with

565
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.800
you means so much to give context
to people on how important it is.

566
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.239
So I'm really blessed that you have
this kind of forum to get the word

567
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.119
out. So thank you number one
for that. But I think that's one

568
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:06.920
thing that we need to do.
The really good part about social media and

569
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.280
the Internet, it can be used
for good like this, Yes, where

570
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.119
more people are able to see real
life things and discussions that are going on

571
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.440
and just not listen to certain types
of media that betray it. So that's

572
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.719
the first thing. The second thing
from a law enforcement point of view,

573
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:29.320
we really need to focus on violent
crime. Recentivism for violent crime is high.

574
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:34.039
It's about sixty percent for offenders that
get out within their first three years,

575
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.880
they'll reoffend. It goes to seventy
and I'm talking about violent offenders,

576
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.199
not all criminals. Violent offenders will
go to about seventy percent. If you're

577
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.639
under the age of twenty five at
skyrockets to eighty percent will reoffend when they

578
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:52.280
get back out. So the data
is overwhelming that we need to focus on

579
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:59.920
recidivism and violent crime first and foremost. Second is we need to fund police

580
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.519
appropriately and we need to get back
to the levels of police and make sure

581
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.719
that we're supporting them, molding them
accountable naturally, but supporting them for the

582
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:15.800
work that they do. Third is
that we cannot have bail. Cashless bail

583
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:23.480
reform applied unitarily for everything that's insane. There's a time for cashless bail.

584
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.079
Generally, that time is for somebody
who's a first time offender. Other than

585
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:35.039
that, other people should suffer going
through the ramifications of bail and not be

586
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.840
let out if they've reached certain markers. Judges have a responsibility to sentence people,

587
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:47.719
and the problem is the legislatures often
have addressed this, but many prosecutors

588
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.599
and judges are departing from what the
legislature wants to do on their own.

589
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.840
So that's one of the issues,
exactly. Third, not third, I

590
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.400
think I'm down to six or seven. We have a mental health cry in

591
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:05.280
this country, and we need to
stop enabling people with mental health crisises.

592
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.719
And that's what we're doing. We're
letting homeless people in camp, We're letting

593
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.760
drug addicts in camp, and we're
saying you're fine, go hang out in

594
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.000
that park. Exactly, we're going
to leave you alone. That is the

595
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:22.239
most horrific public policy I've ever heard
of in my life. And think of

596
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.719
the crime, Think of the abuse
that people get, Think of the sexual

597
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.679
abuse that women are having, Think
of the community. We're having third world

598
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.840
diseases, for Pete's sake, pop
up because the encampments and plus the illegal

599
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:45.800
aliens that are bringing in third world
diseases that are left untreated so if we

600
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.199
have encampments like that, they have
to be cleared out, but there's a

601
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.519
place that they have to go exactly. And once they get arrested or put

602
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:59.159
into the system, they need to
either be given to mental health practitioners or

603
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.000
given to treat programs so they can
get the help that they need. And

604
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.960
if you're a and if you're a
supplier, you go to jail and then

605
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.119
go to prison, prison if you're
found guilty of it. The other thing

606
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:17.239
is the black community is I feel
so badly for them because a lot of

607
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:22.400
the defund movement particularly affects them because
there's no police officers on the street.

608
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.559
And you talked about businesses. The
first place businesses are going to leave is

609
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.239
the urban sectors, right, and
you're going to turn into food deserts,

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medical deserts where they're not going to
be able to think of the people that

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are sixty or seventy that are living
in the urban sector. They can't afford

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to leave. They have no place
to go. And now grocery store has

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closed, their pharmacy has closed,
their doctor has moved on. They have

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no place to go. And so
we've got to get our urban sectors back

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under control or it's going to look
like the old movie Escape from New York.

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Yeah, exactly. And then last
but not Bill, it goes back

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to what you and I have been
talking about from the beginning. This starts

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at home. It starts with faith, having a faith life, that you're

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serving something greater than yourself. It
doesn't mean a particular religiosity. That's up

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to the individual to pick that.
It's a but you're serving something greater than

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yourself and you have a commitment to
faith. Family is next. If you're

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a dad today watching this, you
have a responsibility to take care of your

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family. Sometimes that means you can't
do what you may want to do in

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life. Your family comes first,
and then last, but not least,

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is how are you going to form
your children into good, great Americans in

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the future who want to serve and
protect, have humility, and be understanding

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of their neighbor. And if we
have that, we can go in the

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right direction. But you know,
all those things I just unpacked, that's

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a big mots of ball. Yeah, exactly, one step at a time.

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It is a process, no doubt, Doctor Curry Myers, thank you

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so much for being with us.
Doctor Myers, A retired sheriff who has

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a combined thirty five years of professional
experience as a law enforcement officer at the

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local, state, and federal level, and as a criminologist, professor,

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and university executive. Doctor Myers,
again, thank you for being with us

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so much. Appreciate your insight and
experience. Take care, Yeah, Bill,

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God bless you. Thanks so much
again. Our thanks to doctor Curry

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Myers for being with us today.
For more information to be a part of

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this mighty movement to return to God
and to save our country, go to

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Bill Martinez Show dot com. May
God bless you and keep you, make

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His face shine upon you. May
He be gracious unto you and give you

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peace. Go and be blessed.
Thank you so much for being with us.

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