Rogue Prosecutors: How Radical Soros Lawyers Are Destroying America’s Communities

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W FORCY Radio. Well, good
to have you with us. I'm Bill

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Martinez. Good afternoon. I've got
a great guest for you that you want

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to hear about, and this will
answer some questions. I know there's been

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a lot of frustration with these rogue
prosecutors that are out there. We're wondering

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what the heck is going on?
Why is the rule of law not being

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respected in our country today. Well, two senior legal fellows, Zach Smith

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and Charles Simpson at the Heritage Foundation
have written the first and only book about

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the so called progressive prosecutor movement that
was created by George Soros in twenty fifteen.

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The book, entitled Rogue prosecutors,
how radical Soros lawyers are destroying America's

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community. It breaks new ground and
exposes the origins, the beliefs, the

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playbook, funding, and real life
consequences of the progressive prosecutor movement. One

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of the authors is with us,
Zach Smith. Now, Zach, welcome

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to the show. Good to have
you with us. Well, thank you

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for having me on though, good
to be with you. Well, I've

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been looking forward to this. We've
enjoyed an earlier conversation. But I believe

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that this type of format would give
us a little bit more time to get

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into detail, to lay down the
foundation, because people are wondering, wait

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a minute, how did we get
here in twenty twenty three where we have

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rogue prosecutors that are turning communities on
their heads. Right. Well, Unfortunately,

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as we lay out in the book
bill, this has been a movement

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a long time in the making.
It shouldn't come as a surprise. It

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actually has its ideological underpinnings and a
Marxist movement. From the nineteen sixties and

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the nineteen seventies, there was a
movement called the prison abolition movement, which

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actually believed we shouldn't send anyone to
prison for any reason, which is an

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absolutely insane idea, and many people
reacted that way when this idea was pushed

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forward and put forward to them.
But what's happened today, unfortunately, is

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that many of the core tenets of
that prison abolition movement have been repackaged and

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made more palatable for mass consumption,
and essentially today many of the policy goals

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of that prison abolition movement are being
accomplished and implemented through this rogue prosecutor movement

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instead. And where the consequences in
the communities where these rogue prosecutors are in

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power have been absolutely devastating. Crime
is increasing, particularly violent crime, and

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those cities are being devastated from top
to bottom. Well, Zach, it

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seems like the people really didn't have
much of a choice the way this was

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thrust upon them. It was presented
as some kind of you know, reimagining

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of the justice system. But you
know, clearly, what we're finding out

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after all these years is that we
may have jumped way over our skis on

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this because look at the results.
I think some people immediately kind of realize

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that, wait a minute, this
is dangerous here. We're messing around with

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the balance of law and order.
But regardless, the left being held bent

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the way they are, you know, they're not willing to consider any counsel

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from the people in the communities that
it's going to affect. And now here

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they are and voices are being heard, you get rogue prosecutors now that are

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being impeached and kicked out of office. But still they continue to move forward

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because as progressives always think, Zach, they always need more time and more

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money, and they'll prove that they're
right, right, right. Well,

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unfortunately, you know what happened,
Bill, is that when a lot of

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these rogue prosecutors were initially running for
office, they came forward and we're putting

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forward pretty uncontroversial statements. They said
things like they didn't want to lock up

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anyone unnecessarily, they wanted a fair
criminal justice system, they didn't want overly

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linky prison sentences for minor crimes.
All of those statements are pretty uncontroversial,

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something that probably most reasonable people would
agree with. But what happened when these

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rogue prosecutors got into office, it
quickly became apparent that what they meant by

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these uncontroversial statements, and once you
or I or any other person on the

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street would understand these statements to mean
were something radically different. And so what

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Colley and I do in the book, not only do we walk through the

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back round and the funding of this
rogue prosecutor movement, we have eight chapters

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where we highlight eight different cities that
have or have had rogue prosecutors in power,

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and we talked about their policies,
their rise to power, and the

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crimes that would not have happened but
for these rogue prosecutors and their policies.

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And I have to tell you Bill, when we got into it, started

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researching it, started talking to victims
and their families, it's absolutely heartbreaking and

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absolutely infuriating because so many of these
crimes that were committed, so many of

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these victims, all of this could
have been avoided if these prosecutors just would

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have done their jobs and hold criminals
accountable and would if they would have sought

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justice for the victims. But Zach, they changed the rules, is what

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they did. And this stuff defies
common sense. Like in the book,

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the opening, you cide the story. Maybe you can share that with our

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audience because you set the stage with
the story and it sounds like, oh,

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it's just one of those stories,
but it's real life. Tell our

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audience about that if you would,
Zach, well, I'm happy to do.

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A villain. I think it's important
to realize these are just a sampling

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of stories. There are many,
many more like these. But essentially that

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opening story, we have someone a
woman who is out jocking early one morning

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and unfortunately was attacked and sexually assaulted
by a repeat offender who should not have

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been out of prison in the first
place. But what happened in many of

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these communities is these prosecutors not only
are they not prosecuting crimes, they're not

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seeking bail for even repeat violent offenders, and so you truly have a revolving

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door where these offenders are released back
onto the community to almost immediately victimize more

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and more individuals. And again,
just like that unfortunate woman suffered as a

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result of this, the same thing
is happening time after time after time in

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cities around the country. And Zach, the thing is we've learned from experience,

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at least we would hope that we've
learned from experience. But in some

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of these communities, these eight communities
that you talk about, clearly, I

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mean it's like they're being you know, baptized, rebaptized with something here that

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really, you know, doesn't make
sense, and they're learning the hard way.

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It's almost like you're defying gravity.
You know, gravity exists, but

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all of a sudden you get these
rogue prosecutors that want to redefine you know,

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the basic laws of nature and man's
God. Well, and I think

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it's important to realize Bill because one
of the things if you listen to these

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rogue prosecutors when they go out and
talk and give speeches, they will say

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that the data and signs support their
approach, that they're actually lowering crime rates

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in their communities. Well, not
only is it absurd on its face and

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laughable, but when you dive into
the numbers, the numbers are the studies.

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These site don't actually say what they
play. And I think it's important

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to highlight the shell game that they're
playing in a lot of ways, because

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what's happening in many of these communities
is the prosecutors release a list of crimes

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and they say, here are fifteen
crimes I'm not going to prosecute. That's

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actually what Rachel Rolins did in Boston. We talked about that in our chapter

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on Rachel Rowlins. Well, guess
what happens, Bill. If the local

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DA tells police We're not going to
prosecute any simple possession cases anymore. Why

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are police officers going to waste their
time and limited resources arresting people for simple

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possession. And so when these das
come out and say, well, after

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I implemented my policy, arrest for
simple possession are down eighty five percent or

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ninety percent, Well, of course
they are exactly cook the books on.

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This is what they did, exactly
exactly, and the crime still happening.

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It's just not being prosecuted and the
offenders aren't being held accountable. Well,

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the people are finally getting it all
these years later, this grand social experiment,

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so to speak exact, and they've
made movements Chess about Dean and San

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Francisco, you know, was outed
by his constituents. La Gascon was attacked.

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He survived by the hair on his
chin, engine and others as well.

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So the people are starting to speak
out, and I think in the

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process of doing this, Zach,
I think the good news is is people

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are realizing they have more power than
they thought they had. Well, that's

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right. I mean, look if
the Chase of Booting's policies were too radical

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for the citizens of San Francisco.
That should really tell you how bad things

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have become. But your right,
Chase of Booting was recalled and removed from

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office. Kim Gardner resigned in Saint
Louis. Marilyn Moseby and Baltimore lost her

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bid for reelections. She's under federal
indictment. Kim Fots in Chicago said she's

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not going to run for reelection when
her term is up. And so these

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are all good wins. We should
be very pleased to see that hopefully different

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policies will be implemented in these offices
in the cities. But I also think

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it's important to realize Bill there's still
more work to be done. We estimate

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there are over seventy rogue prosecutors at
least seventy around the country right now,

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and so with each election, more
and more of these prosecutors are running for

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office. They're continuing to be back
financially by George Soros and other left leaning

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billionaires. And so while people are
starting to wake up, while people are

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starting to push back against these policies, this fight is far from over.

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And this is something we as Americans, as citizens, need to stay vigilant

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against for at least the foreseeable future. Well, this is a conscientious dismantling

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of the institutions certainly that you point
out here in Rogue Prosecutors, Zach,

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this is not by accident. George
Soros with the money, and as you

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say, other backers that are supporting
this, have found a way to really,

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you know, take over these communities
very inexpensively. It's not that expensive

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to get a prosecutor elected, right, that's right. You know, historically

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they're about twenty three hundred local elected
district attorneys in our country. And people

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may not realize, but those local
elected das they build a lot of power.

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Most crimes in our country are prosecuted
at the local level, not at

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the state level, not the federal
level, but by these local elected prosecutors,

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even serious crimes like rape, robbery, murder, a whole host of

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crimes. And traditionally these local elected
DA races, they've been many times they're

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uncontested, someone runs uncontested for office. They've been low dollar affairs, even

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in large cities, and many times
you would see even in big cities a

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six figure of fundraising effort by a
district attorney candidate, that would be a

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huge, huge amount of money.
And so when you had George Soros and

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these other left meaning billionaires parachuting into
these cities essentially give being seven figures to

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their preferred candidates, that's an astronomical
sign. That's some that's basically unheard of

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in these elections. Yeah, because
their competitor is that Just to help people

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understand, here, their competitor,
what do they got? Maybe a couple

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hundred thousand, So George candidates will
outspend their competitor, what a ten to

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one? Yeah. Yeah, Oftentimes
the Soros supported candidate are raising significantly more

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sums of money. I also think
it's important to realize Bill we estimate that

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George Soros and his related entities have
given about forty million dollars in direct campaign

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spending since twenty fifteen to these candidates. But keep in mind he's doing a

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lot of work outside of direct campaign
funding in terms of providing an infrastructure,

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in terms of providing tanks, resources, and some estimates, it's hard to

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follow the money precisely because a lot
of it is kept out of public view.

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Funneled in such a way so that
public disclosures don't have to be made.

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But essentially some estimates put that sum
somewhere around the one billion, Yes,

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that's billion, with the be a
dollar mark to fund this movement.

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Well, we're talking with Zach Smith. He is a legal fellow. He

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and his fellow legal fellow Charles Simpson, Simpson, I should say, I'd

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keep wanting to say Simpson, forgive
me. Simpson at the Heritage Foundation have

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written the first and only book about
the so called progressive prosecutor movement created by

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George Soros in twenty fifteen. And
of course George is already appointed his heir

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apparent, his son, right,
that's right, and his son Alex has

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stepped in is going to take over
officially many of the functions that George Soros

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was previously serving. And Alex Soros
has said that he is more political than

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his father. He said that he's
going to focus more on domestic US politics.

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And so I think it's fair to
assume that this push to supposedly help

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make our criminal justice is the more
equitable, more fair to essentially notify at

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laws that he doesn't like by electing
his preferred DA candidates. I suspect we

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should think that effort will continue,
and so far this past election cycle it

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certainly has continued on as if not
more aggressively than it has before. Zach

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in the book Rogue Prosecutors, the
thing you know, for me, the

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big takeaway that should really solidify what's
going on. Here are the personal stories

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we touched on one. And you
think since twenty fifteen, you know,

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the lives that have been so altered, and it almost appears with impunity,

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which is really sad when you think
that this is taking place in today's America.

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Well, it is, and it's
tragic. And one of the sad

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ironies Bill is, you know,
so much of what these rogue prosecutors are

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doing are It's being done in the
name of racial justice. It's supposed to

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help minority members of our communities,
But if you look at who's actually being

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victimized when violent crime rates increase,
its primarily minority members community, particularly young

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black men, are by a march, being victimized by increased shootings, by

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increased homicides, and so the very
individuals these policies are supposed to help are

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actually being victimized by these policies.
The most well and going back to that

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basis and how it began, and
how these minority communities looked at what George

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Stores was presenting. It sounded good
on paper, but you know, typical

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of the Democratic Party, this was
a fundraising issue, This was a vote

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getting issue. They got the votes
of these people that didn't know better.

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Now they're starting to know better and
they're taking a step back. But meanwhile,

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like all things political, well,
it takes a little bit of time

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to change people's minds, even when
you have the facts and the reality right

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before them. Zach, Well,
everyone deserves to enjoy the public safety privilege.

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You know, the public safety privilege
is something that if you live in

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a middle class neighborhood, if you
live in a wealthy neighborhood, you don't

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really have to worry about violent crime
day in and day out. But if

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you live in a poor neighborhood or
working class neighborhood, you don't get to

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enjoy that public safety privilege, particularly
when police officers pull back, when officers

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are being defunded, and when the
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and so again, the very individuals
these policies are supposed to help are the

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people being victimized the most by these
policies. And like you said, they've

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worked the numbers, They cook the
books and present in such a way that

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when they go before the media,
and unfortunately the media is not very curious.

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I mean, you know, you
and Charles, you did the math

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really quick. You figure this out, and you go, wait a minute,

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you guys are cooking the books,
these numbers. We know how you're

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able to do this, but that
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in politics, and this is why
more and more people are getting so disgusted

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and losing faith in the political system. Zach, Well, it is and

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you mentioned it. Bill. You
know what's important to realize. And I

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think one of the things that Colly
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is really bring home the point that, yes, you have these numbers in

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terms of the increased murders, in
terms of the increased rapes, robberies,

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all of the terrible things that are
happening in these cities, but behind each

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one of these numbers is a person, a victim, and their families that

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are left to suffer. And one
of the ones I'll highlight quickly, Bill

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is we talk about it in our
chapter on Maryland mos by Deputy Glenn Hilliard.

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He was a sheriff's deputy in Wacomico
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was killed in the line of duty, shot by a repeat violent offender who

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never should have been on the street
in the first place. The Heritage Foundation

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we actually did a short video on
Deputy Hilliard and his life and service.

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Talk to his widow, Sheriff Mike
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time. It's called an avoidable tragedy. I would encourage everyone not only to

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read about Deputy hilliard story in our
book Rode Prosecutors, but also to watch

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this short video because it really hammers
home the point that these are real people,

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these are real victims, and there
are real and irreversible consequences to the

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harms that are being caused. Yeah, the Hilliard family will live with us

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through till the day they die,
and the local community as well. That

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was so well served, you know
by mister Hilliard. I mean, this

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is this is a sad commentary,
but like you said, it's like that

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old, that old television series.
You know, this is just one of

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a million stories in the Naked City, and this is a pathetic and a

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heartbreaking story, and time and again, then you go back and say where

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where, where's the nexus? And
all this the nextus clearly are these rogue

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prosecutors? Are they not? Yeah? It is, And you know,

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Bill, one of the ironic things
is, I think George Soros, it's

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ironic and diabolical in some ways.
George Soros and his backers they realize they

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never could have achieved their policy goals
by getting their policies passed through the state

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legislatures in many of these states.
These policies are too controversial, the harms

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too obvious when you really dig in
and see what's happening. And so they

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figured out, for a relatively small
amount of money, when we're talking electoral

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politics, they could get their preferred
prosecutor into office and essentially nullify the laws

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on the books. You know,
it doesn't matter how many arrests police officers

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are making, it doesn't matter how
strong you're sentencing laws are that are on

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the books. None of that matters
if the district attorney won't prosecute criminals.

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And in that sense, what George
Soros and his acolytes deserve credit for realizing

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is that the DA, in many
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what judges do, what police officers
do, none of that really matters

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exactly. We're talking with Zach Smith
his new book Rogue Prosecutors, How radical

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Zach Smith continues with us. We're
talking about his new book, Rogue

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Prosecutors, how radical source lawyers are
destroying America's communities. Zach, let's go

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back for just a moment, if
you don't mind, and help people really

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get their brain around, because I
know they're still asking, going why are

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they doing this? What is it? What good are they projecting or thinking

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that they're doing by bringing these prosecutors
into our community. And we see the

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destruction that's taking place on the local
community, but their hell bead, they

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really believe they're doing a service to
these local communities. Help us understand that

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belief system. Well, the individuals
who are pushing this movement, they'll be

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very blunt and tell you exactly what
their goals aren't exactly why they're doing this,

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if you know where to look.
So we talked about how they're saying

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pretty bland, poll tested things on
the campaign trail, but in the academic

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writings in their own journals and websites, they're very straightforward about their goals and

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they will tell you their goal is
to quote fundamentally dismantle and reimagine our criminal

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justice system. And again, this
movement stems from the prison abolition movement,

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this idea that no one should be
locked up for any reason, and more

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fundamentally, many people on the left
and many people who support this rope prosecutor

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movement have unfortunately bought into two myths
about our criminal justice system. They've bought

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into the myth that our criminal justice
system is systemically racist, which it's not.

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And they've also bought into the myth
that we have a mass incarceration problem

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in our country, which we don't. If you look at who's incarcerated in

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state and federal prison, it's not
first time non violent offenders by and large,

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it is repeat violent offenders. And
so I think it's important to realize

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whenever any of these individuals talk about
either not incarcerating as many people are letting

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people who are currently incarcerated out of
prison early, that necessarily means that repeat

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violent offenders are going to be back
on the street, back in our communities,

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revictimizing individuals again. So based on
this theory, they throw out all

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historic empirical evidence and come up with
this idea if only and you say,

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they reimagine and toss out the hard
data because as you say, the people

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that are imprisoned buy in large.
I don't know what you can say.

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Maybe even these are criminals. They've
broken the law, right, Everyone who's

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since stayed or federal prison has been
convicted of a crime. Absolutely. And

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you know the other thing, Bill, many of these individuals they have to

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commit a series of crimes, are
a very serious crime before they ever end

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up in state or federal prison.
This isn't county jail, This isn't people

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who may be in the drunk tank
overnight. These are violent criminals. And

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this idea that not incarcerating them helps
communities, This idea that shorter prison sentences

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are appropriate even for violent crimes,
that's just nonsense. The US Sentencing Commission,

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a federal body that is in charge
of setting federal sentencing guidelines for the

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entire country. At the federal level, they've done studies and they've found that

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longer prisons and its do help reduce
recidivism, the likelihood that someone will offend

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again once they're released back into communities. And so if you look at the

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actual data and science, not only
does it not say what the road prosecutors

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say it says, but it actually
directly rebuts many of their ideas and theories

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and presumptions that they put into practice. Yeah, this is amazing. Again,

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we're turning communities upside down based on
their theory and of course coming out

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of a place where yeah, I
mean, if prisoners could write their own

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law, that's what they would do, right right, Well, we don't

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have to imagine this. We talk
about in one chapter George Gascon and Los

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Angeles. You mentioned him earlier.
There's actually video circulating on the internet of

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prisoners toasting him in prison with essentially
prison made wine or alcoholic beverage, toasting

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him thinking they'll be out of jail
soon because of his new pol In Philadelphia,

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the criminals refer to Larry Krasner,
the district attorney there as Uncle Larry,

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because he's supposedly so friendly to criminals
and their interests, and so anytime

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you have the criminals supporting a district
attorney, I think it shows that things

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have gone off the rails. We're
not taking the correct approach, because the

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role of the district attorney is certainly
not to be a friend to criminals,

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is to seek justice and to hold
criminals accountable for their actions. Well,

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and if they come out, we
would only hope that there would be some

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reform that they would feel sorry for
their offenses so as to reduce recidivism.

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You know, how how is that
working? I mean, well, it's

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not so much. How is that
working? Zact. But based on your

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research and all that you've been looking
into here, when somebody is a criminal,

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what should be in a sense,
you know, is there a set

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time amount roughly that if we have
prisoners who spend twenty years in jail,

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for example, for their offense,
that recidivism levels start start moving in a

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positive direction to where they will not
reoffend because of the time spent and the

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seriousness of the punishment. Or is
there data that points us in that direction.

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Yeah, the US Sentencing Commission study
that I mentioned earlier does point us

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in that direction. Essentially finds that
longer sentences for certain federal offenders and do

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reduce recidivism rates. But what's so
important, Bill, what's happening is,

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look, Callie and I and I
think most reasonable prosecutors, we don't think

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that everyone needs to immediately go to
prison. You know, if someone stills,

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you know, a cocola from the
local seven to eleven are convenience store,

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that person probably doesn't need to go
immediately to jail or prison. But

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there has to be accountability for their
actions. Maybe you send them into a

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diversionary program, say if you complete
certain steps, you won't be prosecuted for

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this crime. But the key thing
there is there's accountability. If that person

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can't or complete that diversionary program,
I think, guess what, They're going

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to be prosecuted and they may spend
a little time in jail, or they

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may have other consequences imposed on them. And that's what's so lacking right now

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in so many of these cities,
with these road prosecutors, they say they're

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in favor of diversion they say they're
in favor of alternatives to incarceration, so

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are most law and order prosecutors.
The key difference is that these road prosecutors

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aren't providing any accountability. They're just
releasing the criminals back onto the street.

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And that doesn't do anyone any favors
because guess what, Bill This will come

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as a shock. But many people
with mental health problems, many people that

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are addicted to drugs or alcohol,
they don't want necessarily to get the help

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they need unless they're forced to do
so, and there are consequences if they

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can't taking the necessary steps. Exactly
got to go to break. We've got

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more from Zack Smith after this.
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Welcome back, No martinis here.
We're talking with Zach Smith. He is

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one of two senior legal fellows.
He and Charles Stimpson at the Heritage Foundation

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have written the first and only book
about the so called progressive prosecutor movement.

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It is not so called. It's
reality. We're living under it. Created

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by George Soros in twenty fifteen.
The book entitled Rogue Prosecutors How radical Soros

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lawyers are destroying America's communities. It
breaks new ground and exposes the origin,

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the beliefs, the playbook, funding, and real life consequences of this progressive

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prosecutor movement. Zach Many would say
that the whole system is rigged against Black

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its systemic. But I mean,
you've got to throw out a lot of

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empirical evidence. You have to keep
it in the realm of the emotion and

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maybe focus on a couple of few
exceptions to come up, you know,

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to any kind of level of conversation
with them, to even agree with their

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perspective, because you know, just
from the get go, when when you

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look at the numbers, it's not
like, you know, the justice system

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is going out and going into black
communities and just you know, throwing people

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in jail just because I mean,
these are repeat offenders, as you noted,

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people that are stubbornly bent on breaking
the law. They don't care about

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their neighbors, they don't care about
their families, sadly, and you know,

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these are the ones that are filling
the jails. But yet the narrative

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today is, oh, well,
it's just you know, it's just the

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white people. They're picking on blacks. Well, look, could there be

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are there racist individuals that work within
our criminal justice system? Almost undoubtedly,

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But I think when those individuals pop
up, when they show that they behave

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in a racist manner, they're appropriately
dealt with, they're condemned, they're held

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accountable for their actions, and that's
appropriate. That's good. But to say

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there may be some racist individuals who
work in the criminal justice system is saying

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that the entire system itself, from
top to bottom is systemically racist. That

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just doesn't connect, and it just
doesn't follow. And as you mentioned,

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over the past decades, in fact, we've worked very hard as a country

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to eradicate racism in our country,
to make sure that everyone is treated equally,

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regardless of their race, or their
ethnicity, or their gender. And

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yet so many of the left today
are now seek to reverse that and echoing

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talking points that you would have been
expected to hear from Frankly, segregation is

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half a century ago, that people
should be categorized or treated differently because of

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their race, and that just cannot
stand in our country. You know,

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the other important thing bill that I
think it's important to push back against that

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the Rogue Prosecutor movement talks about.
They put forward this idea that there's certainly

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certain categories or crimes that are quality
of life crimes that are essentially victimless,

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things like petty theft, things like
prostitution, things like simple possession of drugs.

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But this idea that these crimes are
victimless or that they don't harm their

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communities, it's just nonsense. I
mean, look again, what happened in

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San Francisco. Walgreens, Walmart target
other retailers are closing their doors, they're

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moving out of communities, reducing their
hours. And to you know, someone

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who's a middle class family, to
someone who's a wealthy family, those store

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closures, those reduced hours, may
may be no more than a minor inconvenience.

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It's not a big deal to go
earlier in the day to drive the

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extra few miles. But if you're
a single mother, are a single parent,

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depending on public transportation, depending on
being able to go to the pharmacy

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before or after work, those are
life altering consequences and they have very real

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impacts on the quality of your day
to day lives. And that's what's lost

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so often in this entire discussion again
is the victims, the people who are

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victimized when crime goes up, and
also the impact on the quality of life

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in communities where these repeat violent offenders
are being released once they're out of prison.

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What about the job loss that I
mean, You've got some young kids,

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teenagers in that they've relied on the
Walgreens and these other retail operations,

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so where they can begin to enter
the job market, go to school,

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have a part time job, and
be able to cover their expenses and here.

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It is what the report last week
Walgreens is. I think they're all

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together closing. I mean there are
hundreds of stores that they're closing down.

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I think they're just about out because
you know, with what's happening, and

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now you can't even go into a
pharmacy like in New York or San Francisco,

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Los Angeles, and that things aren't
under lock and key. I mean,

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it's ridiculous. I just wanted to
but toothpaste. I gotta get somebody

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with a key to come and open
up, you know, the cabinets.

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I can get a tube of toothpaste. Are you kidding me? Well,

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unfortunately, that's what happens when laws
aren't enforced and you send a message that

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lawlessness will be tolerating, you get
more lawlessness. You know. The other

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thing Bill is, we're talking about
national retailers target Walgreen, CVS. You

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know, it's unfortunately when they have
to close stores, but they're able,

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by and large to weather the financial
storm. They can absorb the losses now,

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not indefinitely and certainly not at the
rate things are currently going, but

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they're better able to deal with the
consequences. The people who are really impacted

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are small business owners, mom and
pop shops that are repeatedly vandalized. That

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makes it difficult to do business in
their neighborhoods where they may have been for

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many, many years. It makes
it more difficult for them to get insurance

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for their business. Often there's deductibles
if the insurance will even continue to write

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coverage in certain high crime cities,
in certain high crime areas, and so

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again, the consequences of not prosecuting
these supposedly victimless crimes really are much more

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dire than those involved in the rogue
prosecutor movement would want you to believe.

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Yeah, it's again, it is
a conflict and belief system. They have

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a set belief system that is incongruous
with vital and vibrant communities. And it

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is amazing to me, Zach,
especially when you gave that number to us

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earlier, that we're talking over seventy
rogue prosecutors of this nature. So it's

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almost like, if you haven't experienced
a rogue prosecutor, they're good, be

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one coming to a community near you
soon, right, Well, that's right.

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And so far the efforts have focused
primarily in large urban cities like Chicago,

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Los Angeles, San Francisco. But
make mother State. The movement is

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being more aggressive. They're moving out
into rural areas, into suburban areas.

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Right outside of Washington, DC and
three of the largest counties in Virginia,

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Fairfax, Arlington, and Loudon.
There are George Soros backed rogue prosecutors in

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those counties that received anywhere from seventy
to eighty percent of their funding during the

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primaries. They are from a source
back entities, and so the movement is

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going to continue. It is continuing, and the most important thing we as

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00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:46.960
Americans can do is continue to be
vigilant and pushing back against this radical movement

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wherever it pops up. And look
what's happening. People are moving out of

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these blue states. They're moving out
of these areas where these rogue prosecutors are

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there. But you know, people
aren't getting it till maybe they get the

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tax bill that they've got to make
up for the losses of other people just

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00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.559
saying, look at I've got to
protect my kids, I got to protect

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00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:14.000
my family, and law and order
is key. Businesses won't survive when law

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00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:19.440
is happening. We know that that
is clear. It's inarguable We've got a

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00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.360
couple of minutes left here, Zach
and I did want to address before we

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talk about the way forward, which
is how I want to summarize our conversation

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today. In your book, Let's
touch on Alvin Bragg. He's been in

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the news lately because of his attacks
on Donald Trump. But it goes beyond

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that, doesn't it. What really
does Alvin Bragg? As we detail in

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our chapter talking about Alvin Bragging his
policies, he really is brought in wholeheartedly

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to this rogue prosecutor movement. He's
also put forward what we call a day

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one memo we talk about in our
book, saying there are many crimes he

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won't prosecute, even violent crimes.
His policies were so radical that New York's

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00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.920
mayor came out again them. The
police commissioner in the City of New York

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00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:07.960
came out and said essentially that Alvin's
Bragg policies were endangering the lives of her

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00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.119
officers. And that's exactly what's happened. And so you know, it's ironic

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00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.360
in some ways that you see him
devoting so much time and attention to prosecuting

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Donald Trump under a very novel legal
theory. I think many legal commentators from

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the left and right would agree that
the theory he's pursuing against Donald Trump,

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whether you like Trump or dislike Trump, is a very novel one that's likely

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going to be difficult to prove from
a legal standpoint, regardless of what a

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00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.079
jury might find. They spent so
much time and resources prosecuting that case when

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00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:44.000
he's not doing the basic blocking and
tackling required to keep the citizens of New

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York, the citizens of Manhattan safe
on a daily basis. Well, and

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here it is. I mean,
all our prosecutors should be about the furtherance

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of this great American idea and our
democracy, and Alvin Bragg purposely is doing

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is interfering in the whole process altogether, kneecapping a presidential candidate. But that

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aside. Where do we go from
here? Zach, Well, we talk

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about this in the last chapter of
our book Bill The Way Forward, and

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we show it doesn't have to be
this way because we compare two jurisdictions of

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roughly the same population. One has
a row prosecutor, one does not has

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a traditional law and order prosecutor.
And I think it's important to mention this

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is not a democratic or Republican issue. This should be a left or right

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issue. Everyone deserves equal justice under
the law, Everyone deserves equal treatment,

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and everyone deserves to live safely with
their families in their communities. And so

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the best way forward we talk about, among other things, is recognizing these

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row prosecutors, pushing back when many
of these poll tested talking points come out,

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and most importantly, holding pro prosecutors
accountable for their actions if they refuse

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to do their jobs and they used
to prosecute criminals and to seek justice for

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00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:07.559
exactly well, Zach, we have
stressed on this show that you must own

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your own knowledge. I admonish our
viewers and our listeners as well, don't

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00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.280
just take our word for it.
Hopefully, what we're talking about today and

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this book and all the effort and
everything that went into this book, what

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00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:28.199
you and Charles have done on behalf
of our constitutional rights, on behalf of

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00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.280
America and its citizens, it goes
a long way, but it's up to

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us, we the people. I
mean, because you know we talk about

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this often. The Constitution activates we
the people, and in order for us

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00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:45.760
to realize the full benefit and the
infrastructure of the Constitution, we the people

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00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.239
must engage, and we cannot engage
in a lais a fair sort of attitude.

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We need to own our own knowledge, don't just take our word for

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00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.719
it. Hopefully, what we've shared
with you, what Zach is shared with

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00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.960
you said, you know what,
I'm going to check in that I'm challenged.

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00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.159
Zach challenged me, So I'm going
to look into it. God bless

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you for doing that, because you're
the kind of citizen that America needs right

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00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.039
now. The reason America is where
it is right now is because we've had

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00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.000
too many citizens that didn't understand the
Constitution. They didn't understand we the people,

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00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.239
and this is why we have the
America that's hanging in the balance right

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00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.719
now. Zach. So congratulations on
the book. I cannot thank you and

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00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.840
Charles enough for doing this because this
goes a long way in giving us the

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00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:37.519
background and understanding the battle that we're
in. Well, thank you for having

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00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.199
me on the show. Bill.
I really appreciate you taking the time to

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00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:44.920
have this conversation because you're absolutely right. Knowledge is power, and the best

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00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.639
thing we can do is to help
highlight this movement, make people aware that

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it's happening. And again, as
we talk about in our last chapter what

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00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.239
to do about it, How to
protect yourselves in your communities when these rogue

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00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:04.960
prosecutors inevitably show up again, there
is there's action, there's activism that must

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00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.360
be taking place because there have been
others George Soros now his son who is

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00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:15.760
going to replace him, and the
infrastructure that they have created to dismantle this

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00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.239
country. It's well in place,
isn't it, Zach. It is and

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00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.760
it's going to continue for years to
come. Or we've seen it in just

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this past election cycle, many of
these rogue prosecutor candidates have won their primaries,

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00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.800
and often in big cities, whoever
wins the primary will win the election,

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and so it's important to stay vigilant. But if you want to learn

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00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.159
more about the movement, it's funding, its origins, and what to do

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00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.599
about it. I hope everyone will
consider picking up a copy of our book,

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00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:47.400
Rogue Prosecutors, How radical Soros lawyers
are destroying America's communities, and we're

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00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:52.159
going to link it on our website
at Bill Martinez Show dot com as well.

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Zach, again, congratulations to you
and Charles. I mean, this

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is really a gift to democracy and
a gift we the people and highly recommend

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that you do pick up get your
copy of Rogue Prosecutors. How radical SOURIUS

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lawyers are destroying America's communities. If
there's going to be anything different, it's

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going to be between me and you
to stand in the way and do something

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about it. Our thanks to Zach
Smith for coming on the show and talking

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to us about his new book and
for you to be a part of this

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mighty Martinis movement to return to God
and to save our country. Go to

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Bill Martinez Show dot com. May
God bless you and keep you and make

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his face shine upon you. Go
and be blessed beyond your imagination. Thank

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you for being with us.