Questions About The Hunter Biden Conviction & President Bidens’ Ant-Gun Claims Are Just False

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W FORCY Radio. Well, good
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John Lott is going to be joining
us in just a moment. John is

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the president of the Crime Prevention Research
Center, author of Gun Control miss How

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politicians, the media, and Botch
studies have twisted the facts on gun control.

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What I've always appreciated about John is
that he is a researcher. He's

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a researcher's researcher. And as you
know about the show, it's about the

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facts, the whole truth, and
nothing. But let's bring doctor John Lott

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on Now, John, how are
you buddy doing great? Thanks for having

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me on. Bill good too.
I always appreciate your you know, your

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commitment to come on the show,
John, to make sure that you know,

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people are getting a balanced understanding of
what's going on, because we have

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an administration that's so much against our
Second Amendment. Right. Yeah, Well,

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it's not just the administration. You
have the media and lots of other

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people who are aligned there. You
can't entertainment police shows on TV without seeing

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a huge amount of misinformation about guns. You can't pick up a newspaper or

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whatever. I mean, you read
the New York Times and or some posts

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these days, and it's they don't
even find it necessary anymore to provide an

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alternative viewpoint on it. And there's
a lot of misinformation that I think really

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endangers people's lives. And it's just
it's not just the administration. I mean,

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you have I worked in the Department
of Justice up until January twenty twenty

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one, and you have real issues
with the FBI and others putting out data

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these days. There's a lot of
political corruption and a lot of different areas

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well. John. It's one thing
to have misinformation but when the misinformation you

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can be lethal that you know,
now we're having a serious problem because the

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things that you're reporting. I mean, we spent two and a half three

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years here recently. We had to
follow the science. We got to know

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the facts and understand what's happening.
And now this administration has decided to turn

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their back on the facts, on
the research that you continue to faithfully present

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to them so that we can have
a balanced and intelligent conversation and debate about

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our Second Amendment. Right. And
what you've proven time and again is your

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information is correct and it's saving lives
versus what they're presenting, which is putting

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more people in danger. Right.
I mean, you want to make sure

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people know the safest course of action
to take when they're confronted by a criminal.

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For example, you want to know, you know, what things motivate

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mass murders that go and kill people
in these shooting attacks. You want to

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know how to go and stop these
types of things. You know. Unfortunately,

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if if you know it's take women
for example, who are being stalked

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or threatened. The type of advice
that you see given to them is they

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should change their jobs, they should
go and move. They should go and

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move in and live with other people. They Whenever they go shopping, they

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should make sure that somebody's going shopping
with them. When they go to work,

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they need to go and change the
roots that they take in order to

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go to work and the times that
they go. Their whole lives have to

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be completely uprooted and changed. You
know, maybe once in a while you'll

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hear while you should take, you
know, some type of martial arts classes,

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but you'll never see advice being given
out by these women's groups or the

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politicians to go and get a gun, to be able to go and get

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a concealed carry permit, to go
and get the training, even though that's

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by far the safest course of action
for those women to go and take.

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And you know, if you have
a two hundred pound man going up against

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a hun or twenty pound woman,
even knowing martial arts are going to have

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limits in terms of how much they're
going to be able to go and protect

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the woman in that case exactly.
So, uh, you know, guns

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in many senses are the great equalizer
that are there. But yet somehow that's

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such a politically incorrect piece of advice
to go and give people that you know,

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people's lives are in danger, they're
told to go and get you know,

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you know, orders or protection.
But those are essentially just pieces of

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paper. So if somebody's going to
go and kill a woman, and you

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say, well, if they buy
light the order of protection, they get

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an additional year of prison. Well, you know, is that really much

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of an additional penalty for somebody who
may already be facing life sentence the death

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penalty for murdering somebody? Really as
areous additional penalty that they face. Exactly,

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It's not enough of a deterrent,
is what experience has taught his time

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and again again. John. You
know, I believe that anybody that enters

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into this debate has to start with
the Constitution. Why is it, Why

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is it that our framers decided to
give us the second Amendment? Right,

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it could have been the tenth,
it could have been down the road,

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or not even mentioned at all,
but this was the second most important amendment

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that was afforded to the citizenry of
the United States of America. Why well,

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I mean, obviously we've just gone
through the American Revolutionary War. The

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first shots that were fired, and
it were in Lexington and conquered when the

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British troops were going to confiscate the
weapons and ammunition that the columnists had at

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the time there, and so they
kind of saw firsthand one major reason for

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having it was just to be able
to go and protect themselves against the government,

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but it was much more than that. That was just one suggested reason

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that was there. It wasn't meant
to be kind of the catch offer everything.

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And they they knew back at that
time the government police weren't able to

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protect people. In fact, you
know, the country really didn't have professional

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police back then. Even cities like
New York. New York didn't have policing

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until like eighteen forty, so,
you know, people largely had to go

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and defend themselves. It was something
that was just taken for granted that it

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was necessary for people to have the
option to be able to go and protect

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themselves right well, and the fact
of the matter remains, John, is

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that not only were we to protect
ourselves against a tyrannical government, but humanoids,

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I mean the human passions or such
that you know, you've got something

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I don't have, I want what
you have, and so it's a way

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to you know, protect ourselves and
protect the property that we've owned and earned

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right to protect lives. I mean, that's what I was just saying.

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You didn't even have police until in
New York City until after eighteen forty.

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So people even you know, whether
it's New York City or surely even outside

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that people were responsible for protecting themselves. Uh you know. It wasn't like

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you could instantly depend upon, uh, you know, some agency to come

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and protect exactly at that point,
John, was there a false argument that

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came into play here. Uh you
know, they said, oh, well,

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if we're going to be civilized,
we need to have a police force.

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But there was lots of things that
came on. I've studied kind of

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policing more in the seventeen eighteen seventies
and eighteen eighties in the West, and

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what you see there is that essentially
who's paying for protection? So you used

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to have the cattle towns in the
West, would the shop owners and others

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would kind of get together and pay
for kind of private security guards to go

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and protect their businesses when you have
the cattle rush is going on. The

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thing is they didn't want to have
to pay for it. They wanted other

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people to have to pay for it, and so they'd put like taxes on

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the local saloons and stuff in order
to pay for the you know, police

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that was there. So it was
really just a way to get other people

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to pay for the protection that you
had, at least in those areas.

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And you know, that's it's kind
of a normal thing to get other people

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to pay for the benefits that you're
going to beginning and exactly. That explains

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a lot of it, it really
does. But in that process of doing

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that along the way, don't we, you know, subordinate some of our

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liberties here right? Well, I
mean, when you're directly paying for a

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service, you have a lot more
control of the service than when somebody else

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is collecting the tax revenue and they're
making decisions. I mean, obviously,

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you can be one of many people
who vote for the city council or the

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mayor who's going to be making decisions
on these things, but you don't have

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as much direct control as when you
yourself are the person who's directly paying for

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the services there. It only makes
sense, doesn't it. John, We

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got to go to quick break.
Let's pick it up. We've got more

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Bill Martinez here along with doctor John
Lott, the president of the Crime Prevention

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Research Center, author of gun Control. Miss John recently you had written a

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piece. I suppose according that this
was from real clear investigations, says his

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gun violence is spiked across the country. Republicans have pointed to the steady stream

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of shootings in Democratic controlled cities such
as Chicago, Detroit, and Saint Louis

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to argue that strict gun laws are
not the main driver of mayhem. Break

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that down for us if you would, right well, I mean, earlier

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this year, you had Gavin Newsom
make a lot of news, the governor

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of California, going out and saying
that the murder rates were much higher in

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the states that had voted for Trump
in twenty twenty than the states that had

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voted for Biden. And that's true. It was a little bit higher,

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a little bit less than seven per
hundred thousand in the states that voted for

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Trump and about a little bit over
five per hundred thousand and the states had

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voted for Biden. The thing is, the data was already out for twenty

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twenty one at the time, and
you would think that either Newsom would have

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looked at that, or you would
have had the fact checkers look at that,

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And in fact the reverse was true. Murder rates went up a lot

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between twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and they went up particularly more in

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the states that voted for Biden than
the states that had voted for Trump.

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In twenty twenty one, you had
a murder rate that was almost eleven per

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one hundred thousand in the Democratic States
and about a little bit less than eight

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per hundred thousand in the states that
voted for Trump. Trump. And so

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but in any case, uh,
you know, the thing is fighting crime

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or dealing with crime is a local
issue. Policing is determined locally. The

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budgets for police are determined locally,
the policies that police follow are determined locally.

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District attorneys are virtually always elected locally. Judges are virtually always elected locally.

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So the decisions on who you arrest, who you charged with crimes,

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who you convict, the sentences that
they're given are local decisions. And so

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one thing I wanted to look at
was to see what happened in the counties

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cross the country. And what you
find is that it's the counties that Biden

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won that had a much higher even
for twenty twenty, had a much higher

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murder rates than the counties that Trump
won. And the difference between the states

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that Trump won and the states that
Biden won. The reason why the states

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that Trump won in twenty twenty that
had had higher murder rates was driven by

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the hot even much higher murder rates
in the Biden counties in those states.

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It was, it was much higher, it was about twice as high.

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I mean, Biden counties had much
higher murder rates in both the states that

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Biden won and the states that Trump
won. But they were about twice as

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high in the states that Trump won
then the states that Biden one. And

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you know, a lot of gun
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it's gun control issues and the Republican
states that they don't have as much gun

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control as causing the higher murder rate. But if that's true, you would

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think it would be a much higher
murder rate across the whole state, exact,

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just in the in the few counties
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mean, I can give you some
examples. You look at um uh,

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Louisiana for example, Louisiana is a
very Republican state. New Orleans, though

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is heavily democratic, About eighty percent
of the vote in New Orleans went towards

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Biden, even though you know,
almost sixty percent of the vote went for

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Trump for the state as a whole. But New Orleans has a murder rate

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of about fifty per hundred thousand.
Just as a comparison nationwide, it's about

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it was about six point five per
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And uh. But because you have
a large population in New Orleans and because

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they have such an astronomically high murder
rate in this heavily democratically controlled city,

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it pulls up the murder rate for
the whole state. The same firm Missouri.

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Uh, Missouri is a heavily Republican
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East Kansas City are very heavily democratic
areas. In Saint Louis, the murder

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rate is fifty one for hundred thousand. Over they have an over eighty percent

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vote rate for Biden in Saint Louis. And so, you know, it's

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just you know, they want to
go on Plaine. They want to go

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and Blaine. Uh, you know, Republican state policies for it. But

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they ignore the fact. First of
all, it doesn't make any sense when

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if they'd actually been honest and looked
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see that you know, you just
can't hit one particular year to go and

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prove your point there. But they
ignore the fact that law enforcement is overwhelmingly

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a local responsibility. And these slides, what they're showing is that, you

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know, though it's set out as
you know, Trump versus Biden, it's

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really democratic policies and local governance versus
Republican policies and local Republican governance right there,

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John. And this evidence is so
empirical. I don't know how they

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can so stubbornly resist the facts.
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point it out to them to begin
with. I mean, the general media

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general media is completely incurious. They
couldn't even they couldn't even look at the

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data for twenty twenty one just to
see whether or not the pattern that they

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were saying at the state level held
for one more year. You know,

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you'd think at least they would do
that, given that the data for twenty

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twenty one was out well before Newsom
made his comment, or the different fact

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checkers were out there exactly. But
you know, if they can't even do

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that, it's not too surprising that
they won't even take the additional step,

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which would require a little bit more
work and go and look at the data

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at let's say the county level in
the country. And it's really shocking when

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you see the data at the county
level, such as what you see there

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on the second slide that's being shown
there that how much even the higher murder

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rates in the states, in the
states that Trump won, were driven by

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the even higher murder rates in the
heavily democratic counties. Exactly. Well,

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John, And the thing is it's
so frustrating is that you've done all the

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work for them, you present this
to them. I mean, you're not

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you know, you don't have a
specific agenda here, here's the facts,

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and then they just straight arm you. And as you say, there's a

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lack of curiosity amongst the mainstream media
and the ruling elites because they have an

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agenda, they have an endgame here
that has nothing to do. Don't don't

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bother me with the facts and the
evidence that will protect people. Uh,

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this is what we want to do. We want to take you know,

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the rights, the gun rights of
you know Americans. We want to take

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it out of their hands. Right
Well, I mean Gavin Newsom again,

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you know, he's proposing at twenty
eighth Amendment to the Constitution that's there,

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has a whole range of different types
of rules that he wants to have,

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you know, raise the age for
gun ownership to twenty one, mandate waiting

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periods, have background checks, and
the private transfers of guns, and have

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an assault upon his band. But
you know, even there you see an

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abusive statistic. So, for example, on the first one that he wants

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to have raised in the age of
gun ownership to twenty one, the point

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that he makes is that you have
a lot of crime disproportionately committed by eighteen

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nineteen twenty year olds. And again
that's true. Again, it's very misleading

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because what you're talking about with this
change is to make it so that eighteen

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nineteen twenty eight year olds who can
now legally buy a gun, who can

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legally pass a background check, those
are the ones that are stopping, not

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just all eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. Do you have a lot of gang

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members who are eighteen nineteen twenty year
olds disproportionately, Yeah, you do.

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And we know John that they follow
the law all the time. So right

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right, I mean those guys are
already banned. Ninety percent of murderers have

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a violent criminal history. They're already
banned from being able to go and be

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able to go and legally buy a
gun. So the rule isn't changing for

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them. What the rule is doing
is it changing for those who can who

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can pass a background check? And
the thing is, so you want to

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go in a seat. Do those
who can pass a background check? Are

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they committing crime at high rates?
And in fact they commit crimes at very

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low rates? Right exactly, there's
some evidence. Let's lease, let's pause

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when doctor John Lott continues. John, of course, is the president of

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the Crime Prevention Research Center, and
John, as you were saying earlier,

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what it boils down to is not
only the abuse of stats, but I

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would say the abuse of common sense, because what you're pointing out time and

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time again, even though the mainstream
media is incurious and they want to straight

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arm you because their help bent on
their agenda, they're not help bent on

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our constitution and the liberties that it
affords us. Because I think that's the

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highest call that we can have on
this plane this side of heaven, is

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freedom, our God given freedom that
comes from God along with the inalienable rights,

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not from governments. Right. I
mean, I usually don't make arguments

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on rights and stuff like that.
What got me involved in this debate was

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about what makes people safer. I
do research, I do numbers. I

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mean, there are plenty of people
who go and argue rights types of issues,

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But what motivated me and what keeps
me involved in this is trying to

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figure out what makes people safer.
And unfortunately, I think that there's a

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lot of misinformation that occurs on me. So, you know, we're just

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talking about kind of the justification for
raising the age to twenty one that they

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can't even distinguish between those that the
law would be making a difference for,

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you know, the ones who can
currently packs a background check. The question

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is are they law abiding compared to
ones who couldn't pass background check? But

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there's so much more misinformation. Just
in the last week you had Democrats in

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the Senate when they were voting on
this pistol stabilizing brace, the buyden imistration

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was putting up. So just so
everybody knows, a pistol stabilizing brace is

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essentially a strap that fits to the
gun and a round a person's arm.

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And the reason for having it is
that some people are disabled, some people

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you know, originally it was designed
and that's the point. That's the point,

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John, who's most likely going to
benefit from that? Right? Right?

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Well, you have military veterans who
may have lost part of their hand

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or who may be paralyzed and the
and have difficulty holding on to a gun

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because of the recoil of the gun. So the stabilizing brace kind of allows

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them to use a gun defensively when
they couldn't do it otherwise. Exactly.

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But you go and you listen to
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last week, Senators Durban and Schumer, and they're out there saying that when

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you attach the strap to a handgun, a semi automatic handgun, it turns

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the semi automatic hand and gun into
a machine gun. Yeah. You look

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at that, and you say,
come on, guys, yes, you

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know we really this un serious that
you know, you know it doesn't change

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the inside firing mechanism of a gun, which is completely different. I have

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to take this. I apologize.
This is I've tried to warn you about

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this before. I apologize. Okay, him, we'll go off We'll go

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off camera for just a little bit. Rebel here right now, John has

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a personal issue to deal with,
and then let me know when he's ready

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to come back with John is referencing
here is Senate Democrats have rejected this measure

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to block a pistol brace rule.
The joint resolution that passed the gru and

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faced a veto threat from Biden.
Are you back with us now? Yeah?

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Yeah, I apologize. Oh no, no need to apologize. Winners,

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Dan, You know, the one
thing, the one thing about Bill

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Martinez gonna show John and I think
you know me enough by now, is

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that family is most important and family
always comes first. All right, well

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thanks, I appreciate your thoughts on
that. So um anyway, so you

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know they're making these ridiculous comments about
how adding a strap onto a gun changes

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it from a semi automatic to a
machine gun. Yeah, all you know,

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absurd statements. Biden the week before
he was making a comment about,

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you know, you add a strap
to a handgun, it turns it into

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a gun. I don't know.
I guess I learned something new. I

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thought a handgun was already a gun. But you know, maybe maybe Biden

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knows something that I don't know.
Or adding the strap to the gun makes

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it so that it can fire larger
caliber bullets. Uh. It just uh,

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you know, it just uh,
you know, it's just absurd type

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things, and yet the media doesn't
call them out on it. You will

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not find any fact ackers to go
and say these are absurd comments that are

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there, and you know it just
it's just something that goes on and the

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media doesn't care. And the amazing
thing to me is that the politicians think

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that they can get away with this
exactly. Well, John, it almost

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makes you wonder if they even knew
what a pistol brace was. I mean,

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you had Senator Kennedy of Louisiana,
he brought it unafford to demonstrate and

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show him what it was. And
you wonder how many of those senators there

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during that debate had actually seen or
even held a brace to even understand what

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it did and who it was to
serve. The other question I have,

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John, is that of the shootings
that they're disturbed about, how many shootings

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involved a brace? What we're talking
the brace like we're talking about here?

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Yeah, Well, I mean,
over the last twenty five years, there

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have been two mass public shootings that
have used stabilizing braces. But there's no

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evidence and no argument that it made
any difference in either of those two things.

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Neither of the guys who used it
were disabled in any way, right,

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And you know, it just it
just didn't matter. So here you

417
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have millions of people who are disabled
who benefit, who are able to go

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and use a gun that they couldn't
do otherwise for defense who are now being

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stopped from being able to go and
do that and they can't there's like no

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serious cost benefit discussion involved. Well, and how does the ATF coming to

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play over this debate on this brace? John Well, I mean it comes

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into it in the same way that
the ATF is doing all sorts of other

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crazy things right now under the Biden
administration that Democrats in the Senate approved ahead

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00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.239
of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, firearms, an explosive who's you know,

425
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an ideologue on these issues, who
feels very strongly on them, and

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and you know he's pushing through all
sorts of rules. I mean, this

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is stabilizing. Braces were originally approved
during the Obama administration, hardly an administration

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that one would consider to be friendly
to gun ownership exactly. But you know,

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as I say, this is just
part of many things that they're doing

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here. One of the things that
they're doing is the zero tolerance policy for

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gun dealers, where if you make
one paperwork mistake, no matter how trivial,

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no matter how inconsequential, they put
the guns store out of business.

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It's this crazy stuff that's going on. They put many thousands out of business

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so far as a result of that. Could you imagine if we applied the

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same standard to government agencies. If
a government agency over the last fifteen years

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made one paperwork mistake, no matter
how trivial, no matter how inconsequential,

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we put the government agency out of
business. You know, it's nobody would

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take that seriously, I assume exactly. But somehow they want to make it

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so that that applies to gun dealers. Well, we've got to go to

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break again. We're talking with doctor
John Lott, and we've got more from

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three nineteen and we're back with your
bill, Martinis. Here we're talking with

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doctor John Lott, the president of
the Crime Prevention Research Center, author of

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Gun Control Miss John, What you
and I We've got a history of about

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eight years here, I think eight
ten years that I've known you and we've

494
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had this discussion, and I gotta
tell you, I don't know maybe I

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was supposed to hear it today and
how I could have possibly missed it after

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all the times that you and I
have talked about gun rights, and you

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said clearly that it's not so much
about rights, it's about what makes you

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safer. And I'll tell you when
you said that, somehow this time it

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connected with my spirit, with my
mind. This makes so much sense because

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that's the question that we need to
ask when it comes to, you know,

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gun control, what is going to
make us more safe? What's going

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to make us less safe? I
think it takes the politics out of it

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because when you realize that in any
confrontation with some with somebody who has a

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gun, life and death is measured
in seconds. Now even police will admit

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the average response time measured in minutes
somewhere ten fifteen minutes. Right, So

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when it comes to being more mindful
of what's going to be as safe,

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00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.000
you know, what's going to make
us safer? I think that changes the

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00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.960
discussion and puts it in a different
perspective, doesn't it? Well? I

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think so. Look, I mean, obviously, lots and lots of people

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value freedom, but there are lots
of people who are wanting to trade off

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freedom for safety. And I think
ultimately, you know, safety is the

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bottom line for a lot of people. And anyway, that's what motivated me.

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00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.159
Yeah, but hang on, John, just a second. For safety

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versus real safety or safety perceived,
and what's happening because of the narrative out

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00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.679
there, the false narrative, the
misinformation, people get a false sense of

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00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.719
security, so they end up surrendering
their freedoms in the name of safety and

517
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.840
they get neither. No, I
agree, And that's kind of the misinformation

518
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.519
type stuff that we've been talking about
that right, the fact that there are

519
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.440
people out there who produce a lot
of kind of partial, kind of out

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00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:04.920
of content x or false information there. And we've already gone through several examples

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00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.000
of that in the show, you
know, just simple things. You know,

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do you want to pick just one
year to compare a state murder rates

523
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.039
for Do you want to look at
state or do you want to look at

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00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:21.119
local? Do you want to look
at all eighteen, nineteen and twenty year

525
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olds or the ones who are going
to be affected by the change, who

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can already pass a background check,
you know, do you want to make

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00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.800
claims that, you know, adding
a strap to a handgun turns it into

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a machine gun. You know,
just things that are kind of simple points

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to make to people that should be
pretty despositive, but you know, unfortunately

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they're not being made out there.
And look at the very beginning of the

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00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:00.519
show, I kind of mentioned television
cop show coverage, you know, and

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you'll see things like virtually every time
that somebody and a TV cop show a

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00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.280
civilian uses a gun defensively, something
goes wrong. If you watch ABC,

534
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:19.320
NBC, CBS, Fox, time
after time, something goes wrong. Either

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00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.440
they shoot the wrong person, or
the guns taken away from them, or

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00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.719
they get in the way the police
being able to do their job. Something

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00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:37.159
goes wrong. That's not real life
what happens. But or you see that

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00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.679
the police talking about air fifteens and
then showing what they say as an air

539
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.239
fifteen and making it look like a
machine gun. You know, a couple

540
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.679
of seasons ago, we went through
all the crime guns used and TV cop

541
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:57.440
shows, and about eighty five percent
of them were machine guns. In the

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00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.239
United States as a hole, since
the nineteen thirties, there there's been one

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00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.119
murder committed with a machine gun.
And yet if you will go and watch

544
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:13.159
something like Magnan PI, the new
reboot of it, you'd believe that on

545
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.960
any given Sunday in Hawaii you have
more people murdered with machine guns than you

546
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.519
see, uh, murdered in the
entire United States actually with machine guns since

547
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.840
the nineteen thirties, right, So
it's just, you know, it's just

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00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.360
uh, well, it's it's all
it's all building up that perception, you

549
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.639
know, for an and uh you
know, for a projected and an agenda.

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00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.840
John, we get that we've got
about five minutes left, and I

551
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:43.480
did want to address, you know, because this comes into play here,

552
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:50.119
the Hunter Biden conviction and penalty on
gun possession. Explain that if you would

553
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.480
please, well, just so you
know my own background, I was chief

554
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:59.360
economists for the United States Sentencing Commission
in Washington, which sets the criminal penalties

555
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:04.519
for all federal crimes. I also
worked in the Department of Justice, US

556
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:13.039
Department of Justice dealing with the background
check system for gun purchases. And you

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00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.320
know, all I can say is
this guy should have been facing like four

558
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:23.880
felonies just for the gun type issues
that were there. Any normal person would

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00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.559
have easily been going to jail for
the amount of evidence that they had with

560
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:32.559
it. But you know, so
you have multiple laws that were broken.

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You have when he purchased the gun. He lied on the fourty four seventy

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00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:45.559
three. You're supposed to say whether
you're using controlled substances by the federal government,

563
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.480
and he claimed that he wasn't.
And yet you have his biography,

564
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.280
you have statements from himself and his
dad. You have statements from his lawyers

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00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.239
saying that he was a drug addict. You have even the agreement that they

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00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:07.079
had the plea agreement with the prosecution, where the prosecution agrees in fact,

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00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.840
they're using that as a justification for
why he shouldn't be going to prison.

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00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.760
He's just going to go and get
some outpatient treatment for his addiction. That's

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00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.320
there, right, And that's that's
not to mention his infamous laptop, right

570
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.280
right. I know they didn't even
look at the laptop. They wasn't even

571
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.599
given to them to look at for
this um. But you know, obviously

572
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.079
as pictures and other evidence of drug
addiction type stuff. And then you have

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00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.559
the fact that he was possessing the
gun. It was in his possession.

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00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.880
There so that's another felony. And
then you have things like the gun at

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00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.840
the within one hundred feet of the
school that's there in terms of it being

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00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.400
deposed of, and you have other
issues that can be involved, such as

577
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:59.119
bringing in the Secret Service to try
to go and uh and get the forty

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00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.760
four seventy three the gun purchased for
from the gun dealer, to try to

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00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.480
hide the whole thing from a current
you know, being made public. You

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00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.760
say multiple crimes that were committed,
multiple serious crimes. Look, when I

581
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.440
was in the Department of Justice,
one case that I came across was a

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00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:25.920
sixty three year old man. His
wife had gotten death threats, so he

583
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.039
was going to buy she was going
to get a concealed carry permit as a

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00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.440
present for her. He was going
to buy her a handgun. So he

585
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.239
went to a store try to buy
a handgun. The thing is forty years

586
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:45.280
earlier, he and his brother had
gotten to a fist fight in their front

587
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.880
yard. The neighbors had called the
police. They had been arrested, and

588
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:54.639
both he and his brother had pleaded
to a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. Well,

589
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.320
that's a covered defense that bannedju from
being able to go and buy a

590
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.320
gun. He had had no other
criminal activity before or in the forty years

591
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:10.519
afterwards. And yet when he filled
out the forty four seventy three he said

592
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.880
that he didn't realize that that was
a prohibited offense. The prosecution says it

593
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.719
should have been clear when he read
read the form there, and so he

594
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.840
had broken the law. He had
lied on the form, and he was

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sent to jail for three years.
Wow, for years. Just in June

596
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:40.239
this month, you have a situation
where a woman in Virginia who was using

597
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:49.679
marijuana which was legal in Virginia even
though it was prohibited federally, pleaded guilty

598
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:58.199
to under federal prosecutors for lying on
the forty four seventy three form and in

599
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.440
possession. So two of the things
where you know, a hunter Byan's using

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00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:07.880
cocaine and heroin, Yeah, exactly. You know that's not legal in the

601
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.800
state that he was in, let
alone federally, and uh, you know,

602
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.400
and he's getting off without having to
go to prison at all. Well,

603
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.639
in the fairness issue is problematic,
and this is why you're having such

604
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.400
outrage. And then on top of
that, he ends up at a dinner

605
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.239
with Merritt Garland at the White House. Terrible optics, to say the least,

606
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.920
but such is the case for the
Democratic Party and the hypocritical party that's

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00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:38.159
out there. Doctor John Lott cannot
thank you enough for all the information,

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00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:43.280
your time and coming on the show
to you know, fill us in on

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00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:47.280
all these important issues. He's the
president of the Crime Prevention Research Center.

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Doctor John Lott, are thanks to
you for more information and by the way,

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