Pro-Life Pregnancy Centers Under Attack By Pro-Abortion Vandals-Where Is The Justice Department?

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W FORCY Radio. Well, welcome
to Bill Martinez. We're asking questions like

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you're asking questions, and this is
one that we hear repeatedly from our viewers,

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And the question is pro life pregnancy
centers are under attack by pro abortion

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vandals. Where is the Justice Department? Right? Number one question? And

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hopefully we're gonna get some answers here. Susan Swift is with US pro life

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attorney with Pro Life Legal. She's
going to take us inside a pregnancy center

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that pro abortion vandals attack. Since
the Dobb's decision by Scotis the Supreme Court,

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they return the issue of abortion to
individual states, activists have resorted to

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violence and criminality to force their choice
upon Americans who choose life. She says,

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California, by the way, is
abortion apocalypse central and explains how it

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got there and what we as pro
life citizen can do about it right now.

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Susan, welcome to the show.
Good to have you with us.

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Thanks so much for having me back. It's really a pleasure to be with

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you. Well, always great to
have you with us, Susan. So

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what's going on? You know,
where is the Justice Department? Whether these

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activists are you know, storming the
homes of justices on the Supreme Court or

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going to their children's schools. I
mean, this is this is beyond the

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pale, and meanwhile the Justice Department
is just sitting there letting it happen.

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Merrick Garland comes off with weak excuses
and cover for this kind of behavior,

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and it's a wonder that nothing worse
has happened, although it got pretty close

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where you had somebody traveling across the
country and ending up at Brett Kavanaugh's house

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with Zip ties and a gun right. That's right. We are living in

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a pro abortion tyranny. That's what's
happening. The FBI is investigating pro life

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fathers and mothers. I think it
was Mark how they actually went to his

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home where he has his wife and
seven children's gun point to arrest him simply

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because he was praying outside a pro
life center. So we was attacked.

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He was attacked by abortionist, right, I mean, actually his son was

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attacked, and he stood up to
protect his son, and the FBI came

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after him to investigate him. And
and we're seeing look at we also know

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from recently disclosed documents at the FBI
is not just targeting maybe one church.

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No, they're they're targeting religious Catholic
organization. I think it's SSPX there for

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people who go to traditional Latin mass. So all of a sudden, now

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this is a religious persecution that's going
on for primarily pro life individuals who are

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seeking to worship and seeking to profess
their faith outside of you know, on

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the sidewalk. First Amendment freedom,
that's what we should be enjoying, and

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yet we're not because our FBI,
our DJ is weaponized against the American people.

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Especially those who speak about pro life
issues and against abortion exactly, and

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Susan, as you say, this
is a clear attack on our First Amendment

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right, and we the people need
to understand that that we do have these

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inalienable rights and we have got to
speak loud and proud against the weaponization of

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our government. Otherwise, you know, this is the beginning of yet even

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worse things to come, no doubt, absolutely. I mean, if you

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can tyrannize one group of people for
what they believe and silence them, cancel

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them, and then demonize them and
prosecute them and throw them in jail,

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how are we any different from you
know, say, you know, nineteen

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thirty five Germany, because that's exactly
what happened, is the you know,

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Hitler went after the Jews and tried
to blame them for all of his problems

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and demonized and ended up with a
tyrannical government that led to World War Two.

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I mean this, and we're seeing
this from our own government, that

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we are our DOJ and our FBI
are persecuting pro life individuals, and that's

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also happening out here in California.
I will remind you that California is the

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epicenter. It is ground zero for
the abortion apocalypse. Abortion got started here

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in nineteen sixty seven when Governor Ronald
Reagan signed the Bilinson Bill, which was

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the first therapeutic abortion bill, and
from that time, the evil of abortion

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on demand twenty four seven without excuses
has now spread across the nation. You

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see it replicated in Michigan and Vermont
and all of these different states that are

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now enacting what we've just enacted in
California Proposition one, which is reproductive freedom

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whatever that means. It's this broad
drive a truck truth very very vague.

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Or what local cities are doing,
like Los Angeles City, they've recently passed

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an ordinance this is back in November
twenty twenty two, targeting pregnancy centers for

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fraud, for mis information, just
like we've seen. I believe it was

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Senator Uh, you know, she
pretends to be an Indian Senator Warren.

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She's got high cheekbones. So yeah, right, exactly, Well I'll do

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it. Yeah. So she's the
one that came out and said we have

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to we have to get rid of
these pro life centers. She's literally urging

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people to shut down and attack these
these pro life centers and and pregnancy pregnancy

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centers and pro life clinics because they
shouldn't be allowed to speak. And Los

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Angeles count Los Angeles City has already
got an ordinance that's targeting at least five

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of these pregnancy centers, saying,
well, you might be guilty of misinformation.

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We are going to find you up
to twenty five thousand dollars for for

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misinformation whatever that means. See,
we're we're weaponizing new terms, these these

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vague terms, and we're going after
pro life people who have legitimate businesses.

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They are licensed medical pro life clinics, and they are also licensed pregnancy centers

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a meaning they are they have submitted
their documents to the State of California.

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They're operating a business just like anybody
else. And now our state is going

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after them with all kinds of different
legislations trying to silence them. And that

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is why I founded Pro Life Legal
Professional Corporation because yeah, Susan, like

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you said, I mean, this
is the model, because what happens in

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California doesn't stay in California. They
become the poster child and it spreads across

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the country. And when you really
break this model down, it's the same

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thing that they did with the Team
parties during the Obama administration. They first

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called it out and then they interrupted
their their flow of business. And you

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know, it's so ironic because you
hear the Democratic Party talk about suppression of

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vote like as if they own that
ground, and they are the greater suppressors

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of voting of any of the parties
that I'm aware of, and that was

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clear with what they did. As
I said, as an example with the

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tea parties, I maintain that they
have affected probably you're probably looking now in

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total anywhere from ten to twelve voting
cycles because they would not give tax exemption

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to the Tea parties, that would
not allow them to organize, they would

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not allow them to open up bank
accounts. And so they're using this same

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strategy for everything that is against climate, everything that is about life, anything

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that doesn't coincide with their agenda.
Right. Well, yes, And I

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will just make the point that the
that the pro life issue is not exclusively

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a Republican or a Democrat thing.
There are Democrats for life and they do

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a good job too. So this
issue crosses political barriers. And I'm very,

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very troubled that our government is targeting
pro life people like Mark Howke and

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pro life centers and things like this, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, because

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again they are. There are good
people on both sides of the aisle who

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want to protect the unborn, and
a lot of the places are look just

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so you know, pro life medical
clinics and pregnancy centers outnumber abortion mills.

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That's true in California and it's true
nationwide. There are more of us than

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there are of them, though,
the people who are trying to abort these

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babies and profit from it. So
what can we do to help these pro

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life clinics stay open and make sure
that they can come alongside women and say

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you don't have to kill your baby, there's no reason. We'll give you

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resources, we'll give you help,
we'll give you counseling. What can we

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do as regular Americans? We need
to defend these pro life clinics and centers

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from attack, and the easiest way
to do that is to go to pro

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life Legal dot dot com. Because
I've formed a law firm to protect and

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help these clinics stay compliant, stay
up to date with all of the laws

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so they can keep their doors open. They are the boots on the ground.

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That's how we minister to women.
That's how we tell them, please

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don't kill your baby, will help
you, will give you a referrals to

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adoption. We'll give you diapers,
anything you need. And most of all,

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these clinics and centers give women hope
that encounters the lie of the pro

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abortion that says, oh, your
life is over, the baby's gonna you

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know, is going to change your
love in a bad way, or you're

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gonna die. That's just simply not
true. And this is fundamentally a First

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Amendment issue. And we as Americans, we can't keep sitting back and doing

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nothing and waiting for our government,
waiting for the DOJ to do something.

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DJ is not going to do anything. Id's not going to do anything.

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It's time for us to mobilize and
to act to save these pregnancy clinics and

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these pregnancy centers. You know,
without a doubt, we're talking with Susan

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Swift, pro life attorney with Pro
life Legal Susan, as you say,

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the sounds of the women which ignited
this organic movement for life at through forty

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nine years of horrific experience, counting
the chemical abortions that have took place.

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Over one hundred million babies in America
alone have been murdered and aborted, and

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the women who have experienced this have
been telling their stories. This is why

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this movement generated such inertia and caused
the Supreme Court to deal with this once

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and for all and to uh and
to pass the Dobb's decision. You know

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that it would go back to the
States, But that's the that's only the

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beginning of the battle. To your
to your call is that we have to

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stand up. We have to come
together, shoulder to shoulder, back to

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back, demonstrate some courage and understand
that the success stories that you hear from

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these women that you know, we're
not hearing on the mainstream media. And

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I would say even fathers today,
Susan, they're realizing, oh my god,

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I can not believe what I did
by believing the government. Because even

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when you go back to Ronald Reagan's
term, he bought into the lie.

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It was supposed to be very rare
and very safe, and since then it's

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become nothing. But that has it
exactly because now that used to be that

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this is the incrementalism that the pro
aborts want to keep pushing, which is

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safe, legal and rare way back
in the day in the seventies. Right.

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Well, it, first of all, it's not safe. We know

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that women die from aspiration abortion and
from chemical abortion as well. That you

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know, the chemical abortion is the
abortion pill. That's two the two pills

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mithopristone and mithoprostaal and that can kill
women as well. Just go on the

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FBA, you can look it up
at the data is there, so and

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hang on just a second, Susan, for just a minute, expand a

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little bit, because I want to
make sure the audience understands with these chemical

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abortions, we're giving pills to young
girls, young women who find themselves pregnant.

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And it sounds so basic because the
propaganda, the narrative again, the

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false narrative that's being told them,
told to them, Oh, it's like

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taking tylean, all right, and
then when they get home, they end

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up aborting their baby and there's their
baby horrifically lying in the toilet. Yeah,

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this is what's happening. Because again
the Abiden administration has loosened all of

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the rams. Those are the risk
evaluation mitigation strategy strategies that the FDA had

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placed on the are you four eighty
six? That's another term for mythopris stone.

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It's it's the drug protocol. It's
the two it's two drugs that you

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take for this chemical abortion. It's
mythopris stone, which starves the baby to

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death. It interrupts the natural hormone
progesterone, which is what maintains a pregnancy.

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It begins, you know, at
conception, and it continues and maintains

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the pregnancy all the way through till
delivery. That's what progesterone does. Well.

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Miss PRIs stone stops that so that
the baby starves to death. Sometimes

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it doesn't quite starve all the way. And then what happens. You take

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the still two days later, which
is misappro mithapro stall, and that induces

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very strong uterine contractions, so it
puts the women in labor, and then

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she will deliver a dead or dying
baby. Yes, there have been cases

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where the baby is still alive and
she's probably alone at home and she's on

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her toilet and she delivers into the
toilet. That that is that is the

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state of you know, the the
chemical abortion. Today, the pills can

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be shipped through the mail u the
Biden administration even authorized pharmacies to be able

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to You can just go drive through
right aid CBS. You know, like

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you're ordering it, like you're ordering
a hamburger and a milkshake. Right.

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Yeah. All you have to do
is I think they'd like to make it

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over the over the counter. You
just go in right now. You still

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have to get a prescription, but
the way that they do that is telehealth

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medicine. So a woman, a
girl can get on telehealth medicine. She

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can estimate her own self, well, I think I'm about four weeks or

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eight weeks or ten weeks along.
She doesn't have to be accurate, and

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gone are the requirements that she at
least appear to a clinic and get an

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ultrasound to properly date the pregnancy.
Because here's why it matters if you're more

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than twelve weeks. I believe twelve
weeks along, the chemical abortion procedure is

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more dangerous, and that's why it's
recommended for you know, I think it's

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ten weeks under, twelve weeks or
under and past that that it's counter indicated.

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You're supposed to be getting, you
know, a surgical abortion, because

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that's safer again. But you see, these these abortion mills aren't doing that.

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What they'll do is they'll just on
telehealth medicine, do a you know,

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a thirty second you know chat whatever. It is a very very small

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They're not requiring women to come in
and get an ultrasound dating to confirm how

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far along she is. They prescribe
the chemical abortion, which is the most

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popular form of abortion today. This
is according to a twenty Gutmocker Institute survey.

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I think it was fifty six percent. So we're at the majority of

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all abortions today are chemical abortions.
And they prescribe the medication. The girl

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can drive through Walgreen, CBS right, pick it up, take the pill

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at home to start starving the baby. Two days later, take the uterine

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contraction pill mifipristol, and then deliver
into the toilet or on her bed in

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a big bloody mess. And she's
scared. Nobody tells her that. They

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tell her the lie like you just
said, Oh, it's just like taking

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a tile in all, which is
just not true. They go through,

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they go through labor, They go
through labor right there to deliver a baby

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and maybe on the floor of their
bathroom, and they're alone and nobody's there

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with them, and that that's the
state of abortion in America. And this

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is why it's so important that these
pro life clinics and pro life pregnancy centers

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are kept alive and functioning so that
these women can find alternatives, so that

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they can go and say, well, I'm a little bit concerned about,

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you know, abortion, What can
do I have any options? Yes,

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of course you do. And that's
why we again, pro life medical clinics

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and pro life centers outnumber these abortion
mills. But they don't get a lot

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of press, and they certainly don't
get any money from the government, like

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all of the God God forbid that
they'd get any kind of support and the

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things you're talking about, you know, for our audience and our viewers to

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understand this isn't some sort of theory. With these pro life centers. They

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have been networking and operating for decades
and the success stories abound. I mean

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it is. I mean, here
in Florida where I live, we support

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a couple of centers and it is
so rewarding Susan to hear and to see

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these little babies that you know,
not that earlier months before the mother was

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getting ready to abort. She changed
her mind and got the support, Like

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you said, the essentials, whether
it's diapers, counseling, uh, you

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know, just to have somebody that
they can talk to to get them through

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this situation and boil. You know, there's just something about life how it

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renews us and enlarges us, isn't
it. I mean it's a total miracle.

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It is. Life is a miracle. And and and children are a

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blessing. I have seven children of
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they came from. And yes,
one at a time with my husband,

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so little old school that way.
But but but really they're they're a blessing.

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And what happens is they magnify your
life. And yes, you can

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do you can do. You can
go to college, you can go to

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graduate school, you can go to
law school, you can you can do

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this. It just means you you
juggle your life a little bit differently.

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And they are a blessing. And
get guess what then, when you get

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a little older, you have a
natural family that wants to support you.

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When you know you're getting into your
seventies or eighties, guess what, You're

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going to have children and grandchildren,
and that's a natural support system. But

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you see, that's that they don't
want that. The abortion mills want women

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to be afraid. They want to
tell them, oh, you know,

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it's dangerous, you're going to have
to change your life. You're never going

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to have a career, you're never
going to have the life that you wanted.

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It's just inconvenient for you. And
you've got to remember about ninety eight

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percent of all of the abortions that
we're talking about are for convenience. We're

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not talking about rape, incest,
or the life of the mother, because

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that's less than two that's two percent
or less if you take it all together.

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So there's no point in talking about
those those very very small categories.

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That's what they the pro aborts always
want to do. They want to direct

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back to that. They want to
give you a horror story of a girl

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who's raped at thirteen, et cetera, et cetera, because they want you

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to avoid shutting down the ninety eight
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They're not for the life of the
mother, and they have nothing to

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do with rape or incest. So
you have to remember what we're talking about

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here, and really this does boil
down to a legal issue, the First

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Amendment and the right to profess your
faith that you believe that life begins and

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that comes from God, or that
you believe that simply human life starts at

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conception according to science. I mean, we don't even have to debate when

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does the soul enter the body?
We don't even have to get into that

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debate at all. How about we
just follow the sciences as doctor Anthony,

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as we were told to do free
for two and a half years. Right,

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This is Bill Martinez and Susan Swift
continues whether she's a pro life attorney with

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Pro Life Legal as Susan. At
the end of the Supreme Court session I

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believe it was the end of April, there was some controversy over miffopress Stone,

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and there was a lower court decision
banning or limiting the FDA approved use

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of the abortion pill. And the
way I kind of read this, it

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kind of reminded me of the Wisdom
of Solomon, where he had two women

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arguing over a child. One had
died in the middle of the night and

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Solomon and his wisdom came and was
going to use a sword to cut the

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baby in half in order to satisfy
both women. And this decision, I

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kind of looked at it a little
bit like that, if I might say,

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because there was wisdom that took place, because the pro lifers could have

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really stood on this and the pressure, although the pressure was there, but

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what happened pro lifers said, you
cannot eliminate if you're going to be doing

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chemical abortions. You cannot eliminate one
of the pills. They work in tandem

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with one another. If you just
use one and not the other, you're

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putting the woman even in more danger. And for the understanding and sake of

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that, a lot of pro life
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we need to back away from that. It reminded me that story of

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Solomon and the two women fighting over
the baby. Does that make sense?

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Yes, I hear what you're saying. I had not heard that Abbie Johnson

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had come out against you know,
basically going I think I know what you're

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talking about. Which is the fifth
circuit case that would be uh to look

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at the FDA. And the question
I believe was did the FDA properly or

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improperly? Did it follow its own
rules when it approved mythopriss Stone In the

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very beginning in two thousand, which
is also known as for r U four

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eighty six and per life obstetricians began
challenging the FDA way back in in two

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thousand. You have to remember it
was the Bill Clinton administration that shoved this

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through, that put the put the
screws to the FDA and said we got

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to get this thing approved, and
actually it was in combination with the Rockefeller

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Population Counsel. Yeah, you can't
make this stuff up. So these are

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eugenicist I mean this right. I
mean they're the ones that are their heads

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are just absolutely exploding right now because
they don't believe that the Earth can sustain

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three billion. We're now at eight
billion. We're beyond their imagination right now,

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and we're actually far below what we
could sustain. I believe I saw

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a study and I'm sorry, I
just I haven't in my head, but

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I don't remember where the source was
that the Earth can sustain I think around

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sixteen billion people. We have the
capacity to feed and help sixteen billion people.

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But the problem is just we have
an unequal distribution of freedom in and

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you know, around the world.
But getting back to to you know,

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mythopristone and mythoprostall, which are the
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use of this drug, you know, being pushed through by the Bill Clinton

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administration, the Rockefeller Population Council,
and since then a group of pro life

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obstetritions have been challenging that decision,
saying, hey, FDA, you didn't

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follow your own rules. You didn't
apply the same type of rigorous controls to

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your approval process as you do for
so many other drugs. So they brought

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a k before. I believe it
was a district court judge in Texas,

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based in Texas, and he made
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they immediately approved. It went up
to the Fifth Circuit and I haven't heard

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the final decision there, but they've
been deliberating it that whether or not the

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issue is and if they're going to
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Did does the FDA have to follow
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because look, if our government,
if the restrictions that we place on our

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government, we the people on the
executive branch, on the legislative branch,

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why can't they obey their own rules. You can't just make things up.

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You have to have authority to do
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But I had not heard that that
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in particular, have said, oh, well, we need to back away

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from this. Well, it wasn't. It wasn't from the standpoint of it

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was the idea of protecting the woman
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you can't divide those pills. I
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the story thing. Here's the scary
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work together. However, Gavin Newsom
that I'm in California and Gavin Newsom is

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our governor, he has already begun
stockpiling the second pill, which is mithopro

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stall. Because what he's saying,
and a lot of the pro abortion folks

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are saying, is fine, you
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get, we'll just go to myfopro
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while the baby is still alive to
complete the abortion. That that is very,

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very scary. But that that I
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it, because then you're going to
be women delivering premature babies at ten weeks

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or twelve weeks or whenever they give
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was one woman out of I think
it was the UK, thirty weeks along

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and she had taken the chemical abortion
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was alive and then died. So
you're going to start seeing that, and

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our governor Gavin Newsome is stock hiling
this dangerous drug. So, yes,

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abortion is dangerous for women. Absolutely, guess what, it's one hundred percent

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fatal for the babies. So this
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using it. It is not.
It is not. And also let's get

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to the bottom of the real issue
of this. And this is something that

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Alan Guttmacher made up in collaboration with
his good friend Margaret Sanger, who founded

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Plan Parenthood. She was a vow
to eugenesis. She was a white Anglo

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Saxon Protestant who wanted to make sure
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Okay, let's just BottomLine that Alan
Guttmocker was his friend, her friend,

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and he came up with the theory
that, oh well, abortion is

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healthcare because pregnancy can be dangerous to
a woman, and therefore abortion is healthcare.

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It's a lie. Who are it
is never necessary for a woman to

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have an abortion to save her life. There you can go to doctor Anthony

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Levettino, a Live Action has invested
in done an interview with him, and

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he explains why abortion is never necessary
necessary because abortion is simply the killing of

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the baby in the womb before it's
born, and that is never necessary to

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save the woman's life. If you're
really talking about those less than two percent

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of rape, incest or of the
life of the mother. What you do

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is you deliver the baby prematurely,
which honorably allows it a chance at life.

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Maybe it's seventeen weeks or twenty weeks, or you know, God forbid

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it ten weeks. But at least
you don't kill the baby in the womb.

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You give it a chance to live. And again, this is less

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than two percent of all of the
cases that we're talking about. And yet

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planned parenthood and the abortion cartel promote
abortion as healthcare, which is the lie

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of the century. It is not. And look at how many people families

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here in America are willing to adopt, and stories that abound. In fact,

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I interviewed a gentleman here for the
second time, and his conception was

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as a result of a ray.
His mother opted to carry him to birth,

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and he is a very successful individual
contributing. He's an award winning artist.

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And there are stories like that that
abound that are being squashed by the

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abortion mill because it doesn't fit the
narrative, and here is a woman who

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had the courage to choose life,
and she's not carrying her with her in

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her mind, Susan the horrific memory
and the idea, because I remind people

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often when I speak with women who
and even men now including that have experienced

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abortion and participated in abortion, they
will tell me, oh, Bill,

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my child would have been seven today, or my child would have been fourteen

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today. I mean, you carry
that in your heart, in your very

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soul until the day you die.
And you think, wow, if these

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people are caring that kind of memory, what about these young girls now that

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are experiencing chemical abortions and they see
their baby in a toilet that there has

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been aborted. That is something you
cannot unsee. No, it's very tragic.

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And you're absolutely right. The stories
of regret and remorse and and and

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the decades long sometimes decades long regret
that come from from women. It's it's

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anecdotal, but it's and it's not
available in the mainstream media because they don't

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want you to think about that.
But that and that is why these pro

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life medical clinics and pregnancy centers are
so vital today because they come alongside women

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who are afraid of who've listened to
the lies of the abortion industry, and

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they say, you don't have to
kill your baby, and we will help

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you. We will give you anything
that you need, and and and parental

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training classes that come alongside you.
Even sometimes legal aid, anything that these

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women need, rent of food,
anything that they need, so that they

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are not alone and that it's the
most important thing. And again that's especially

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what the pregnancy centers do. The
difference between a pro life medical clinic and

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a resource a pregnancy resource center is
the licensing. If you want to be

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a medical clinic, you have to
be licensed in the state to offer certain

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medical things like an ultrasound, a
pregnancy test, things like that, and

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there's there's steps you have to go
through to make sure that you're properly licensed.

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Pregnancy centers are. They don't offer
medical things like you know, the

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pregnancy test or ultrasound. They offer
counseling, words of wisdom, support,

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all of those things. A lot
of it is a spiritual as well,

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so that's a it's a different level. And yet here we have we have

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pro aborts at all levels of government, whether it's federal, state, county,

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local, and they're trying to silence
that message of hope and that message

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00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.240
of support and that that the messagees
on even on their websites. They're they're

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00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:58.720
threatening to say, well, that
might be misinformation if you call yourself a

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comprehensive reproductive you know, therapy play
if you if you use these words,

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you're not providing abortion, and therefore
you're not offering comprehensive reproductive health. I

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mean, what a lie like Planned
Parenthood doesn't offer comprehensive reproductive health either,

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because all they do is abortion.
They don't do prenatal counseling or postnatal anything.

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They don't do any of that.
But no one's ever going after the

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you know, abortion industry for its
selective marketing and it's misinformation that abortion is

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healthcare. Yet what they're doing is
they're always targeting these medical clinics and the

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pregnancy center saying you're guilty of misinformation
and we're going to prosecute you, We're

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going to find you. They're trying
to shut them down and drive them out

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of business. Not to mention,
they've got their their their minions in Jane's

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Revenge and roots as these are terrorist
organizations that are targeting these these I mean

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you've seen the images from last year
when the Dob's decision came out and they

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started throwing paint all over these these
different facilities, and they would scrawl on

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the sidewalk in in red ink.
You know, if abortion ain't safe,

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you ain't safe. They're threatening people. There are lots of people who simply

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want to give services and help and
hope to these young women who are finding

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Well, welcome back bill Martinez here
along with Susan Swift, pro life attorney

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with pro Life Legal, And you've
been hearing the background in the story and

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you say, Okay, what can
we do. Susan explain to our viewers

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00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:49.280
what they can do to come alongside
and stand for life. Sure, I've

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formed pro life Legal dot com.
Pro life Legal dot com. It's a

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professional corporation. It is a law
firm. It's a nonprofit law firm,

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00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.840
and it's dedicated to helping these pro
life clinics and these pregnancy centers stay open,

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00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.760
keep their doors open in the face
of these withering attacks from you know,

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from from state organizations. Like I
said, Los Angeles City's got an

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00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.719
an ordinance that's trying to sue these
these pro life clinics into oblivion by saying,

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00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.559
well, you've got misinformation, you're
misleading people. This is fraud.

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They're trying to weaponize the business code
against these legitimate businesses. Well, look,

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these most of these places are staffed
by volunteers. A lot of them

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00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.880
have shoestring budgets. They can't afford
a lawyer. And and what do you

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00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.559
do look after your sued. After
a clinic is sued, then they've got

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00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.039
to desperately go try to find somebody
to represent them. But what about at

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00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.320
the beginning, before you get started, when you're forming your corporate articles,

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00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.199
when you're starting to when you're applying
to the state, when you have to

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00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.960
renew your license, when you're doing
when you're putting up your your website and

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00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.559
you're advertising. Who helps these clinics. No one, as far as I

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00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.320
know, there isn't a nonprofit law
firm that's help. Think these clinics start

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00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.400
out in compliance with state laws.
I know it doesn't sound very sexy,

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but this is this is the easy
way that the state and the and the

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00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.800
you know, county have to target
these places and shut them down before they

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00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.199
can even do any good. And
that is why it's so important that they

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00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:21.719
have access to lawyers and so ProLife
Legal dot Com is a force multiplier because

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00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.719
you can always donate to one clinic
near you and a center near you.

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00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.719
That is very very good. But
how do they all get help? Again,

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in California, I think they're approximately
one hundred and eighty pro life medical

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centers and clinics and pregnancy centers.
We outnumber the abortion mills. But all

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00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.079
of them need help, So how
do you help all of them at the

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00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.360
same time. That's the business model
for ProLife legal dot com. Well,

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Susan. The thing that's interesting and
frustrating all at the same time is that

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here a pro life legal or pro
life entity gets no governmental money, but

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yet Planned Parenthood and all these other
abortions centers somehow manage to get taxpayers money.

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00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.000
How how is that? Right?
Yeah, it baffles me. I

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think. I think the last figure
I saw was around six hundred million,

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six hundred and fifteen million dollars from
the federal government. I guess this is,

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you know, in spite of the
High Amendment or anything else. I

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guess. I guess the fig leaf
is, oh, well, we don't

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use it to promote abortion, we
use it to keep our electricity on or

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00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.239
whatever. I'm not really even sure
it's It makes me crazy because a Planned

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Parato International is a billion dollar organization, billions of dollars. They're charging women

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to kill their babies, and they're
getting government money on top of that,

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And these little pro life clinics and
these little pro life centers they don't get

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00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.079
a dime from the from the government, from state or federal, nobody.

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00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:51.840
These are and that is why this
is a nonprofit. Pro Life Legal dot

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00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.639
Com is a nonprofit designed to serve
them because looks as you opened your show,

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well where is the Justice Department Where
they're not. They are on the

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side of the pro abortions. They
are on the side of the population controllers.

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They want to silence the message of
pro life, especially because some of

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it is based in faith, and
they don't want us talking about the fact

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that we're killing American citizens. As
you said, over one hundred million babies.

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I've seen, you know, at
least over sixty million. That's ten

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times the number of Jews that were
incinerated in ovens and by Hitler, and

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00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.000
we have to step up and do
something. And I think these pro life

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clinics and centers need lawyers to help
them. Well, the sixty million is

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just straight up abortion. The other
forty is coming is what they estimate as

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a result of chemical abortions. So
when you combine the two, you're well

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over one hundred million babies that have
been murdered in the process. And the

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thing is, again, consider the
model. That's what I keep telling people,

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Susan. You have to look at
how the government, how the bureaucracy

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is working. Nancy Pelosi very clearly, you know, was very honest in

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talking about the idea of quit pro
quo. Of course she's using it against

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00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.400
Donald Trump, but that's that's the
realm of the coin in the bureaucracy and

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00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:16.559
the government. So what happens is
the government gives the pro abortionists money,

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the pro abortionists support Democrat candidates,
and the wheels on the bus just keep

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going round and round, right,
I guess though. It is really very

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frustrating. But again I remind you
there are good there are good Democrats for

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Life, the organization Democrats for Life. They their slogan is a good one,

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00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.599
which is pro life for the whole
life. They're good organizations. So

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there are people on both sides of
this issue. But it is time for

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all Americans to step up and stop
the killing of unborn American citizens. This

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is just wrong. So again,
what can you do? How can you

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help all of the clinics. You
can go to pro life Legal dot com

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and you can make a small donation. I mean, you know, if

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you're going to go, if you're
going to go buy a coffee at Starbucks,

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00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.239
you're going to be supporting abortion there. How about you go to pro

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00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.360
life legal dot com and give us
a little bit of help so that we

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can help these pro life medical clinics
and pregnancy centers keep their doors open.

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They are the boots on the ground. They minister to these women. They

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make a difference, and we know
that thousands upon thousands of babies have been

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saved by their ministry, by their
everyday work in the field for women who

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are facing crisis pregnancies. But they
can't afford lawyers they need, and when

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they're forming their organizations at the very
beginning, they can make mistakes that leave

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00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.400
them open to attack by a vicious
government that is only interested in supporting the

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pro abortion Uh. You know,
their their minions, their handlers, their

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00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.119
donors. If if that's the case, that's what they're doing. They are

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00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:53.039
they have marching orders from the abortion
cartel to shut down the alternative, which

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00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:59.119
are medical clinics and pro life pregnancy
centers. Sad to think that our babies

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00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.519
have become you know, ATMs,
it's just about money. Uh, you

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00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.760
know, forget about life and all
that that involves. Uh, it's just

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00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:15.199
about you know, funding their diabolical
desires and aims. Uh. You know,

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speaking of Abbey Abbey, you know
as a you know, she worked

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as you know, her story is
infamous. She worked for a clinic and

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00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.960
when she finally reconciled that it was
about the money, it wasn't about health

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00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.599
care for women, she bought into
that phone narrative as a college student and

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00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.920
thought, Okay, I'm helping you
know, the sisters, the sisters,

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00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.880
you know, the ya ya sisterhood
here you know, and my fellow sisters,

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00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:46.760
and went in with that that perspective
until she saw an actual abortion and

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00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.440
it gave her a serious wake up
call and along with her since many other

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00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:58.639
clinic workers who have participated in these
abortion clinics have seen the truth and it

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00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.400
is set them free. We've got
about four minutes left here, Susan,

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and I want to give you an
opportunity and for our audience to hear some

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00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:12.039
stories, because you have stories that
could occupy us for days of you know,

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00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.559
the reality of women who chose life. Yes, I think the most

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00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:22.320
important takeaway is to illustrate the difference
between the abortion mills and these pro life

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00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.079
medical clinics and what they do.
The pro life medical clinics, they are

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00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:31.599
licensed to give pregnancy tests to give
pregnancy verification so that women can very quickly

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get on you know, the welfare
they need or any state support, because

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00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.800
it takes weeks otherwise many long time. So they make sure that the women

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get the facilities they need. But
more importantly than that, they change minds

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by showing them their baby in an
ultrasound on an ultrasound machine, because I

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think the statistic is over eighty five
percent of women who see their baby on

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that you know, that screen,
the ultrasound machine. They see it and

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they say, oh, it's not
a clump of cells, it's a baby.

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I can see the heartbeating, I
can see the little outline of the

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nose. I can see that's a
baby. I can't keep my baby.

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That is, and that is a
powerful a truth because you're showing them a

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picture. And the abortion mills will
never do that. They will never turn

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the screen around and show the woman
her ultrasound lesson. They don't want they

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don't want them to see it,
and I want to see the truth.

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They're hiding the truth. What they
do is they perpetrate the lie that abortion

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is healthcare. It is not.
And what they do is they keep the

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truth from these women, and they
convince them they should just go ahead and

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go through it. There's a very
powerful testify destimony to a girl who had

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gone through three different abortions, and
she was young. I was starting in

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you know, fifteen sixteen, and
her third time, she went in there

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and she was crying. She's up
on the table, and I mean,

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I know her, I know her
personally. I won't use her name,

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but she was crying, and she
told the nurse, she said, and

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the nurse said, you don't want
to do this, honey, do you

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And she said no, I don't. And the nurse put her hand on

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the girl's shouldren said it's a k
It'll be over real soon. They didn't

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listen to her. They didn't it
didn't respect her choice at the moment to

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say no, I don't want to
do this, I want to go home.

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They gave her the abortion anyway,
so they lied. I mean,

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this is because it's again, as
you said, it's about the money.

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And I believe it's about the agenda
that Margaret Sanger and Alan Guttmacher had,

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which is, we need to control
certain populations, certain ethnic populations. We

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already know from a lot of the
laws that they're passing out here in California

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that they're sending abortion access that the
money for, you know, increased abortion

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access. This is seventy five if
you need to look it up. That's

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a bill that's passed. They're sending
money into these basically minority centers because there's

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a disparate racial impact of what they're
doing, because the rates of black and

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brown women choosing abortion are much higher
than whites, and yet here we have

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like twelve seventy five. They're targeting
these these clinics in minority areas, which

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is exactly what Margaret Sanger was wide
design, no doubt about it. Well,

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Susan Swift, I cannot thank you
enough if I appreciate you coming on

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again as well. Always caution our
audience, you have to own your own

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knowledge. Hopefully, the conversation that
we've had today, the information that Susan

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has imparted to us, motivates you
to look into it deeper so that it

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becomes so that you own the knowledge
that it's not just you spouting off a

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bumper sticker slogan or slogans from people
that want to continue this false narrative of

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misinformation. We have too much information, too much knowledge there and there's no

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excuse and so you know, please
be motivated to check it out for yourself.

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Susan. Where can people go for
more information? They can go to

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the website ProLife legal dot com,
or you can do dot org. It

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all points to the same place,
ProLife Legal dot com. Susan Swift,

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thank you so much for being with
us today and look forward to have having

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you back as we continue this on
for this information in pursuit of the truth,

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no matter where it leads. For
more information and for you to be

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a part of this Martinus Mighty Martinis
movement to return to God and to save

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our country. Check it out go
Martinez Show dot com. May God bless

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you and keep you and make His
face shine upon you. Go and be

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blessed beyond your imagination. Thanks for
being with us.