May 12, 2025

One On One With The Producer of the Documentary Fentanyl:Death Incorporated.

One On One With The Producer of the Documentary Fentanyl:Death Incorporated.
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Season 2

The explosive documentary from Producer, Dr. Robert Marbut, Fentanyl: Death Incorporated, is taking America by storm! This is a film which delves into the multifaceted aspects of the dangerous drug, featuring insights from leading experts in international and domestic supply chains, law enforcement, medicine, harm reduction, and more. This most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the Fentanyl crisis, Fentanyl: Death Incorporated uncovers the truth behind Fentanyl

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Radio well and welcome Bill Martinez here.

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Good to have you with us. We're going to talk

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about this very pernicious drug that is out in the

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marketplace that is killing a generation of young people in

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our country. I've seen it as an act of war.

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You may have heard me talk about it with other guests,

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but like never before, especially when you look at the

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numbers and what's been going on in the last decade,

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how many we've lost. I've heard numbers anywhere between eighty

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one hundred thousand a year. I mean, think about it,

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that's more than we've lost in Vietnam in what seven

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eight years of Vietnam, ten years of Vietnam. Sixty sixty

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three sixty six thousand Americans died in Vietnam. And here

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we've got young people that are dying, you know, from

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overdose a fentanyl. Ventanyl has been introduced into other drugs,

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and these kids think they're taking you know, maybe a

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tail and all or something. And I'm talking about kids

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that are in college, maybe working late night on a

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term paper or studying for exams, and they need something

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to keep them up. And the friends says, hey, look

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at I've got this. This will you know, this will

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help you out, And little do they know that it's

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laced with fentanyl. It's even to the point where now

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we understand that that marijuana, you know that the kids

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smoke quite liberally these days, that that is even being

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laced with ventanyl. This is how pervasive that it is.

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Of course, it's very well accepted that it originates out

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of China and from China goes to Mexico. Mexico formulates

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the ventanyl in pills, and in some cases the pills are

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looked made to look like almost like candy. Anything that

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they can do to inspan tize people and make it

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seem like it's you know, not so dangerous. But the

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kind of collection that the FDA and in our law

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enforcement officials are picking up, they're they're in such large

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numbers that they could eradicate our entire country, if not

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even cities at one Fell Swoop. I mean, it's just

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it's just unbelievable. But there's been this kind of casual,

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laissez faire attitude about fentanyl. And we're going to have

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a doctor Robert Marbert going to be joining us in

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just a moment and looking forward having him on the show.

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He is the producer of filmmaker of the documentary Fentanyl

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Death Incorporated. It's the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on

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the fentanyl crisis. Death Incorporated will provide an in depth

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exploration of the most dangerous drug created of all time.

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Think about it as I was missing to you. I mean,

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this originates out of China and then goes to Mexico,

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they formulate the drug, and then it's sold here and

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of course, completing the kind of the trinity of this

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whole process are the consumers here in America. In some

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cases you can say long term drug addicts, but in

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many cases we've got innocent children in a sense, that

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have died accidentally, and you've heard these stories, and it's

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amazing to me why there isn't a greater outrage happening,

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you know, around the country over this. You know, parents

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are coming out in mass numbers and you know, up

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in arms about this, but still it's under reported. It's

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almost like our media is complicit in this massive extinction

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of young people. And think about it. I mean, this

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is in many cases the people that are dying here

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are our young people. It's our future of our country,

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eighteen to thirty five year olds, and like I said,

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in many cases unsuspectingly taking the drug and then dying,

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and it's just excruciatingly painful as you can possibly imagine.

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I want to play right now a trailer, you know,

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from this documentary as we await our guest doctor Robert Marbot,

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who is going to be joining us hopefully any minute now.

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So let's go ahead and run this trailer.

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This is fentanyl. This is your brain on fentanyl. This

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is your friend's brain that was doing fentanyl with you.

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This is the guy down the street also doing fentanyl.

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These are kids who thought they were taking a purpose

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that they got from a friend who got it off

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the Internet, but the pill was laced with fentanyl and

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now they're unconscious and unresponsible. This is the Mexican cartels.

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This is the Mexican cartels working with Chinese chemical companies

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to make pills by the millions, destabilizing the border to

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traffick enough vindol to kill the entire population.

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Of a country many times over.

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This is the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to

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make finnel or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian

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super labs are producing fiddel to export the countries around

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the world.

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These are gangs and drug dealers.

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Near you, haphazardly mixing fennol powder with other chemical like xylazine,

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which is a horse traquilizer, causing the user's skin to

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fall off.

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Hey, at least the eye last longer. Any questions.

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I have a question, what is the super lapp?

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I want to know why are we seeing these record

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overdose deaths just in America?

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Why is this happening here?

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Our local hospital rooms are blowing up. Why because they're

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killing our children?

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How do we change that offense? Bron Day, How much

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of this deli poison it's coming across the border. How

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come all these people are all passed out?

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Where is all of this stop coming from?

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Is China purposely addicting our nation? Health com parents protect

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their children from fed hill That's a tough question.

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Yeah.

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If that doesn't capture your heart and brings your brain,

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I don't know what. And it's just a trailer, okay.

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And doctor Marbe is encountering some technical difficulties right now

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in joining us, but hopefully he will be on here

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in just a moment so that Tea can give you

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more of the background of what in what went into

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producing this and the motivation And you can only imagine

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the motivation was without doubt, I would think the sympathy

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that he had to have had with you know with

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uh uh, you know, with the parents and the victims

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of of death incorporated of of ventanyl and you know

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the people that that are responsible. Uh and uh, you know,

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this is the thing that it's just unbelievable. You know,

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what's what is what is taking place here with you know,

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with the situation with Ventanyl. Trying to get a message

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to doctor Marbat right now so that we can get him,

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you know, another invitation. Somehow he's having some difficulty in

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connecting with us. So I'm going to uh send a

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message to the studio, to our producer to this is

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what you're seeing me do here right now, Ladies and gentlemen.

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This is as you know, this is live. So but

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you can put up with us here for just a

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moment as we try to get him connected. Was so

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you can get connected with the with the show here

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so that you can hear him, you know, firsthand for yourself,

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because he has so much insight into this and when

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I had spoken with him before this. You know, this movie,

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this documentary Fentanyl Death Incorporated. For those people in the

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country who have seen this movie, it's really as you

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can see from the trailer, it's quite captivating and it's powerful.

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And this film, as I mentioned, delves into the multifaceted

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aspects of this dangerous rod, featuring insights from leading experts

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in the international and domestic supply chains, law enforcement, medicine, harm,

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harm reduction, and more. It is by far the most

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comprehensive documentary on this topic on the fentanyl crisis I

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think that's out there. It's certainly the most comprehensive I've

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ever experienced. And as I said, this is going to

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give you an in depth exploration of this most dangerous

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drug that is created of all time. And it's amazing,

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you know that here we are then, we're coming off

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of everything we just came off of with COVID and

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you know, understanding more about gain of function and all

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these dangerous chemicals that are out there. But meanwhile, I

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guess the thing that astounds me is that fentanyl has

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been around, you know, so long, has been out there,

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and it keeps killing, like I said, eighty to one

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hundred thousand young people every year. And you know, I

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looked at it when I when I spoke with doctor

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mar but before I looked at it as a as

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kind of an act of war against our country. And

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I know that that sounds pretty uh, pretty wild when

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you think about you know, you think about an act

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of war with a you know, another nuclear power like China.

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But we we keep kind of playing patty cake with them.

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You know, we're worried about, you know, some of the

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trade deficiencies that are going on. We got bigger, bigger

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fish to fry here. I mean, when they are involved,

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I mean single handedly, I mean we already know and

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I know this is disturbing but I think it's pretty

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well uh accepted that China was the starting link in COVID,

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that all the information has come out as indicated that

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it wasn't as innocent as uh as they would want

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us to believe, whether it was the who so social

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media platforms and others thinking that COVID was just you know,

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something that just happened out of the atmosphere somehow, and

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it was, you know, something that came from a bird

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or whatever. But I think it's very well accepted now

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according to the latest reports, that this came out of

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a laboratory in Wuhan, not the wet markets of China,

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and so that's been covered up. And here in America alone,

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we lost over a million people, if you want to

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believe the numbers and associate them all with COVID. The

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death of people who died of COVID over a million people.

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And I don't know, it's just amazing to me that

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our country just kind of just shrugged our shoulders about

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it and just took it all in stride like it

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didn't matter. But wait a minute. You know, our parents, grandparents,

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relatives died and as you heard me report before, they

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died alone in the hospital and without family, anybody there

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to say goodbye, and all that happened there out of

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China and the way I believe that this country was attacked,

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you can say, you know, we don't know for sure

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if it was intentional. Most people, I guessed, in order

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to avoid the obvious, you know, are quick to say, well,

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it was maybe some sort of lab mistake or you know,

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some unfortunate occurrence, But regardless of what it was, it happened,

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and people should be held irresponsible. You know, China should

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be held responsible, but they're not being held responsible, and

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they're not being held responsible for what they're doing with ventanol.

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I believe the Trump administration this time around is putting

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some pressure and I think that's one of the bargaining

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points of this whole situation with the trade deal that

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they're trying to work out, and they've gotten some cooperation

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out of Mexico where they're trying to take some responsibility

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and close down some of these factories that are manufacturing

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you know, these these pills. But this is just incredibly,

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incredibly disturbing and the reality of what's going on, and uh,

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doctor Robert Marbert and his team, as I mentioned, to you.

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He is the producer, he's a filmmaker, and they have

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produced this powerful documentary, Fentanyl Death Incorporated. And I believe

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that doctor Marbert is connected with us. Now, thank you

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for your patience. And it looks like it's only going

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to be on on audio only, but even an audio only,

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it is a privilege to have doctor Marbaret with us. Now,

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Doctor Marvith, welcome the show. Good to have you with us,

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Doctor Marbith. Can you hear me now? Doctor Commercial says

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he is okay, all right, I know we're just kidding this.

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I'm trying it or if this is my fourth try,

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are you hearing me?

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I can hear you there, I can hear you. Okay.

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I guess we're gonna have to do it without a camera.

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So that's fine. I will make the most of this situation.

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I've been, you know, leading up and explaining to our

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audience the documentary. We played the trailer for the documentary,

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and so we'd counted a privilege and honor to have

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you explain to our audience. So why the documentary? Why

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were you motivated to do this?

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Well, about four years ago, when I was still working

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at the White House, I was up on the hill

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talking to a senator who I consider a real friend

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and don't want to mention his name to embarrass him,

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a good, good friend. He was on the type of

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committees you would expect that would understood the Finnel crisis.

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And what I realized was the senator said, well, after all,

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fitnel is just met just stronger, and that couldn't be

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more wrong and incorrect. Fentanyl actually puts your chest cavity

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to sleep, It paralyzes your heart, it paralyzes your lungs,

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whereas meth is an extreme upper it's like somebody on speed.

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And so my concern was when a senator who I

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had done many briefing papers for who's a friend, doesn't

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understand what this is about and how we got here,

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and they should. That was what the impetus for me

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to get a documentary going. And then as we got

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it going, we just came across more and more information

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about how bad it was, how we got here, and

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how lethal.

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The situation was.

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When was this and that would have been about three

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and a half years ago, because I carried into the

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Biden administration a little bit and when I immediate left,

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I said, we got to get a documentary because all

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the white papers I'm writing aren't working and we need

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to do something more visual, more understandable, I guessed. And

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along the way it became a much bigger project than

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we thought.

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Yeah, but denol had been around a lot longer than

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just three years ago, I think. I mean, are we

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going on close to ten years? If not over ten years,

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doctor Margaret? Or on misunderstanding something?

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No, that's exactly my point.

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Wait, fentanyl came on the scene right when the Purdue

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Pharma was coming down, you know, after all the lawsuits

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and Purdue Pharma was no longer able to distribute their

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version of oxycodine, and hospitals stopped prescribing it, doctors stopped,

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the pharmacy stopped carrying it, and so you had all these,

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you know, millions of prescriptions and hundreds of thousand people addicted.

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And that's where China and the Mexican cartels backfilled it

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and they saw business opportunity. And so this has been

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around a long time. And at that point I really

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thought a friendly senator, especially who we're reading briefing papers,

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would know all about it.

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And they did it. And if they don't know what,

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you know that was my point.

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If a senator on the right committee doesn't know, we

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got major problems going here.

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Well, especially because at this point oxy codin had been

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off the market, bendall in the market probably at that

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point somewhere eight to ten years already exactly. And so

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eight to ten years, and you've got data pointing to

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all this danger in young people dying, and he thinks

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it's just a minor drug out there that's maybe not

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as consequential as it should be.

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is just you know, we had gone through PCP, we

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had gone through cracking cocaine, we go through black tar,

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angel das, we were just finishing up on math, and

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I think a lot of people thought just this is

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our next one. But nobody understood how lethal fentanyl was

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compared to any of those other dry I mean, it's

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a hundred times more powerful than morphine. Yet you know,

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in some super versions or s fentanyl or soup fentanyl,

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some of those are actually even.

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More powerful than that.

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And in literally two to three grains of assault equivalent

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of fentanyl will kill you or I and one rice

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grain will kill fifteen people. And I don't think anybody

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understood how lethal fentanyl was, and I think that was

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sort of you know, there were many mistakes made along

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the way, and the priory administration that I was very

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frustrated with is they were sort of slow to react

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to all crises. But they could not see to talk

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about fentanyl because that it meant you had to talk

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about borders, and that was an inconvenient truth to be

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able to How do you say, we're worried about the

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fentanyl supply, but we're not really worried about our borders.

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Well, and that's what I was explained to the audience

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is that the chain which began in China, they're producing,

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you know, the raw ingredients, they're shipping it to Mexico.

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Mexico is formulating it, and then it's coming into a

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ready made market. As you say, they were backfilling the owners.

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I mean, they had a market that was ripe and

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addicted to oxycodin and they needed to have an answer

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to their pain.

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And it was interesting, you know, when you break it down.

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I don't like to dwell too much about how we

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got here, but you do need to know a little

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bit so you understand how to get out, you know.

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But we got to think about solutions.

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But in the beginning, the Ellissa fentanally legal fentanyl, which

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by the way, is not very pure, not very scientifically made.

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It's made in jungles and back alleys and basements. We're

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backfilling the white collar addicted folks who many had had

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shoulder surgery, knee joint replacement. That was where it came from.

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And it was over prescribed and misprescribed, and so that

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was a group that people politically didn't really want to

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talk about. And then it was also simultaneously hitting the

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homelessness street, especially on the west coast and the northeast.

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And that's a group that a lot of people just overlooked.

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They say, Oh, they're just druggies, we don't need to

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worry about them. And that's where it eventually started. But

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by about twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, it was

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east to west, north, the south, big city, small city, rural, urban.

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It's everywhere now, and we need to understand it because

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the numbers really aren't going down.

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No, yeah, exactly, So what are we talking? Over a

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million people have died of fitting all over Dosa since

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since came into the country.

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Yeah, we're pretty close to it.

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We may not be right at that, but if not,

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we'll be at it this year. And remember there's finnel

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kills you in a lot of different ways, and so

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not everybody measures all four. But there's the recreational drug use,

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which is what the media does talk about, unfortunately because

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it's way more than that.

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But and it's the number one killer of.

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Eighteen to forty five year olds in America, full stop

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over everything else.

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But what a lot of people are not aware.

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It's the fastest growing killer for children zero to four.

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And they're obviously not drug addicts. They're just getting poisoned

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by finnyl dust being out in public or a park

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bench or the street. And our documentary talks a lot

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about it. But now you got two other types of

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fentanyl overdoses starting to happen. Like in Philadelphia was the

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epicenter of trink, which was a purposely laced fentanyl with

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horse tranquilizer. They were trying to reduce the death rate,

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is what they were trying to do, but still keep

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the power of the high. And so that's lacing and

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so often that that's reported under trink horse tranquilizer death

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not fentanyl.

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And then there's the people where.

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They don't know that the fentanyl is in the supply,

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like weed, co crack math. You're starting to see fentanyl

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really poison the other illicit drug supplies that and I

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by no means I'm saying you should be taking those

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other type of drugs because they're they're fatal too in

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a high dosage. But when you start adding fentanyl to it,

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it really is Russian Roulette. And Dea is estimating about

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two thirds of all other illisted drugs have some level

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of fentanyl in it.

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Now, that's amazing. How insane is this that the suppliers

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are killing author customers. This doesn't make sense.

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to do their best to lower it. They're trying to

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do it to mix it, you know, hence the lacing.

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But the reality is fentanyl is something so powerful that

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was built in the lab, designed in the lab, and

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nobody understood how powerful it was in the beginning. And

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I mean the people who were creating it, they they

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don't want.

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People to die. They want them to live so they

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can buy more and more and more.

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Right, But the high of fentanyl is such a powerful,

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strong magnet that draws people to it. So they're trying

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to balance the high, the potency of.

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The high, without making you die.

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And that's why they're really working hard now to lay

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sit and dilute it now.

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But sadly, you still die.

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I have yet, you know, I work on the street,

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as you and I've talked before. All the time, I've

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been working on the street for twenty five years, and

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I've never seen a drug where I have not met

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anybody who's been on it more than eighteen months. Most

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of the people I know have only been on it

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eight nine months, And most doctors say the sort of

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half life of a user of ventanyl is somewhere around

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twelve to fourteen months.

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You just die that fast.

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So sometimes it's in pure overdose you took the wrong amount,

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and sometimes it's just the slow breakdown of all your systems.

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It paralyzes your lung, it paralyzes your heart, starts to

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affect your kidneys and liver, and then it starts affecting

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other body systems that you slowly crash and thing finally, creator.

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Does it work a little bit like heroine to where

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you your body builds up a certain resistance to where

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you've got to, you know, add more fentanyl to to

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your dose.

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Absolutely, you know all the opioids.

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Have that problem that if you start very carefully and

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I to me, let me make it real clear, I

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don't think he can make fentanyl safe, and I don't

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think he can make the fentanyl supply chain safe.

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So but from a user point of view, they say,

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all right, I'm going to.

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Start real, real light, dilute it down to a really

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low level, and then start And what they find is

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two things happen.

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You build up that resistance as you talk about that,

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almost all opioids and many other drugs do the same thing.

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But it also brings you back to get more addicted

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and you crave the high more. But you start using more,

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and you're using more often, and so you get this

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double whammy. And that's why you just I challenged somebody

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to tell me I was a regular FITNAL user eighteen

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months ago, and they're alive. You just can't find somebody

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like that now. It's just so deadly.

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Well, yeah, and you talk about the life expectancy of

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a user being somewhere between fourteen and eighteen months. I

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mean I had never heard that before.

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I mean, this is and that's on the high end

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because you get you know, a lot of people are familiar.

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You know, one pill the dead or one pill kills

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you know, there's several programs around the country you talk

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about that there's a lot of people die on first

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use of Fitanyel.

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You hear that all the time.

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And so when I'm talking about fourteen months, sixteen months,

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twelve months, that doesn't even count the group of people

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that die instantly on first use.

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That's just the outer edge of.

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People who are really scientifically within their view of science,

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trying to dilute it down. But the reality is this

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is so powerful you need white glove, you know, vacuum

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laboratories to measure this out to get to low levels.

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And you can't do that on the street.

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You can't do that in the jungle or in the

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basement in a back alley.

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You can't.

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We're trying to take the most powerful drug ever invented,

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and we're trying to treat this like weed on the street,

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and like.

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As if you have some sort of exact formula, if

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it's done out of some you know, garage or backstreet

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operation type of deal. You have no idea how much

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of the ventanyl is actually in that pill, do you

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at all?

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It's a crapshoot.

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And you know, we have a part of the movie

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we have a dea Task Force agent who is a

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deputy sheriff in San Diego, and he goes the amount

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of instruments that you medically need to manage this to

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get the fight dosing to live and not overdose.

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It's so minute.

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There's no measurable scales on the street or formulas to

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do this.

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And to think about, let's flip it.

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And talk about that professional pharmaceutical grade fentyl that's used

469
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:24.240
for surgeries, in particular heart surgery. With that fentanyl, you

470
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:28.119
probably couldn't have open heart surgery. It's a perfect medical

471
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.720
drug medication for that because it slowers your heart rate

472
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:37.000
and it reduces your breathing. So that's really an important

473
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:42.119
drug to be used. But when you're in that circumstance,

474
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.759
you were in a medical operating room and you got

475
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:52.599
at least one medical MD anesthesiologist. You normally have a

476
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:57.240
tech you're hooked up on a device that's monitoring seven

477
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.440
or eight vital signs. You have the overall operating doctor

478
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.279
managing you, and you have a nurse, so you at

479
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.440
least have two full time people to part time people.

480
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.640
In a more advanced surgery, it's sometimes more than that,

481
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.319
monitoring how you're doing fentanyl, and that's not how people

482
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.119
take it on the street at all, you know, And

483
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:24.160
so even in that case, they're minutely managing it and

484
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:28.000
they're watching your oxygen, your blood, take your.

485
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.839
Pulse, your blood.

486
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.559
Pressure, several other things, and nobody's doing.

487
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:35.319
That on a street.

488
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:40.160
And especially if you're taking fentanyl all alone at your house, nobody's.

489
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:41.599
Going to know exactly well.

490
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:41.920
You know.

491
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.920
It brings the question of are there accidental desks in

492
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.240
the operating room because of vmyl I?

493
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.240
You know, there's always desks around antiseesiologist, you know, you know,

494
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.000
they always talk about it when you use, you know,

495
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.640
any sort of thing that puts you to sleep and

496
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:00.039
do that.

497
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.720
But it's nothing like it was.

498
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:03.319
You know.

499
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.599
Medical fitler was invented.

500
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:10.440
In nineteen fifty nine by a guy named doctor Jensen,

501
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.680
a long long time ago. In the beginning, there were

502
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.559
a lot more you know, on the table desks, if

503
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.880
you will, and they've gotten real good on how to

504
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.319
monitor it. And so they know how to properly use it.

505
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.480
So if you're being told you're going to have fitnyl

506
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:31.119
for heart surgery, that will probably make heart surgery possible

507
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:33.519
because a lot of people would just die of shock

508
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.079
on the table before Fittler was used for open heart surgeries.

509
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:43.440
And so so bentanyl really when properly used, and I

510
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.920
mean medical fentanyl, but there's nothing remotely like medical fentanyl

511
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:48.599
on the street.

512
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.160
It's illicit bentanyl on the street.

513
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.000
It's not medical fitanyl at all, and you're not getting

514
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:55.839
the medical care when you're taking it.

515
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.000
Yeah, on top of that's a monitor. I'll tell you,

516
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.960
doctor Marbut now that we have you here, I'm going

517
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.519
to play for the audience because some may have joined

518
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.400
us late. I want to play the trailer to the documentary,

519
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.160
but I want you to introduce it to our audience

520
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.400
now that we have you here, So go ahead if

521
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.079
you would please.

522
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.359
Awesome, it's uh, we got a real fun and I

523
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.799
mean fun. It's entertaining, not not the topic is fun,

524
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.839
but it's entertaining.

525
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.720
It's engaging.

526
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.200
And it's a bit of a spoof on the Just

527
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.640
Say No to Drugs that that was about thirty five

528
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.960
forty years ago when drugs were really benign compared to

529
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.880
where they are now.

530
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.759
And so it's a take off on that.

531
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.359
Yeah, that was the one that said this is your brain,

532
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.960
and this is your brain on drugs, and that demonstration,

533
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.079
and so let's go ahead and let's play that trailer again,

534
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:55.680
if you would just give me one second, okay, standing by,

535
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.759
this is your brain on fedloh, this is your friends

536
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:00.440
brain that was.

537
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.880
Doing fentanyl with you. This is the guy down the

538
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.519
street also doing fentanyl. These are kids. He thought they

539
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.119
weren't taking a purpose that they got from a friend

540
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:09.720
who got it up the internet. But the pill was

541
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.519
lace with fentanyl. Now they're unconscious and unresponsive. This is

542
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.880
the Mexican cartels. This is the Mexican cartels working with

543
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.359
Chinese chemical companies to make pills by the millions, destabilizing

544
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.119
the border, to traffic in that fendyl to kill the

545
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.920
entire population of a country many times over. This is

546
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.319
the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to make finnel

547
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.839
or smuggled in by the tonnage and Canadian super labs

548
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:31.799
are producing fiddel to.

549
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.200
Export the countries around the world.

550
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.200
These are gangs and drug dealers near you, haphazardly mixing

551
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.720
fennyl powdered with other chemical xylazine, which is a horse tranquilizer,

552
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.799
causing the user's skin to fall off.

553
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.839
But hey, at least the eye lasts longer. Any questions,

554
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:49.400
I have.

555
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.359
A question, what is the superlapp?

556
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.759
I want to know why are we seeing these record

557
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.240
overdose deaths just in America?

558
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.599
Why is it happening here?

559
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.559
Our local hospital rooms are blowing up.

560
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:02.880
Why?

561
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.480
Because they're killing our children?

562
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.400
And how do we change that?

563
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.200
Off of defense broad Day, how much of this deli

564
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:09.880
poison is coming across the border.

565
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.759
How come all these people are all passed out?

566
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.240
Where is all of this stuff coming from them?

567
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.119
Is China purposely addicting our nation health?

568
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:18.839
Can parents protect their children from federill?

569
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.160
That's a tough question, That.

570
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.920
Is tough question. And the reality is is that our

571
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.079
young people, as doctor Marbot had pointed out, eighteen to

572
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.680
forty five year olds, this is the strength of this

573
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:38.000
next generation, the future leaders, the future of our country,

574
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:46.440
A generation of young people that are being annihilated through fennol.

575
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.279
You know, doctor Marbat, as you were saying, you know,

576
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.359
the takeoff of the commercial, well done of the trailer.

577
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.319
I shouldn't say not the commercial is that of what happened?

578
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.960
What we're doing, you know, saying no on drugs? And

579
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.200
if I remember back at that time, there were a

580
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:08.440
lot of public service announcements about drugs. But you're not

581
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.559
seeing a lot of public service announcements for Ventnyl. What

582
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.679
have we lost? In translation?

583
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:19.679
Here in we do a little dive microdive just about

584
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:25.320
San Francisco in our documentary and we want One of

585
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.679
our things we do is there's if you're in San

586
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.239
Francisco and you do cigarette smoking in a public building

587
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.679
or right outside of public building, you can I think

588
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.519
the first tickets like two hundred and eighty five dollars.

589
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.440
And I was out there as part of the filming

590
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.800
and doing some research and owner it was either a

591
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.400
store own or a patron it called police to report

592
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.920
the guys smoking outside the building, and the police respond

593
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:59.000
if we're two blocks away from an open consumption site

594
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.679
for Finnyl. And so here you are in San Francisco,

595
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.199
and we did some digging around and you can get

596
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.320
up to it. If you're a repeat offender, your final

597
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.039
ticket can be eight thousand dollars for smoking illegally in

598
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:17.840
public a cigarette, but in fentanyl. The City of San Francisco,

599
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.239
in the County Health Department at that time, was actually

600
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.320
paying for a site for you to go use fentanyl.

601
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.360
They call it a safe consumption site.

602
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.039
And as I've said before, you can't make fentanyl safe.

603
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.119
You can't make the drug supply safe with fentanyl.

604
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.639
So here they send people to go die basically and

605
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.679
with no culpability.

606
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.880
With taxpayer subsidy.

607
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.800
But then we're going to give you a ticket for

608
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.960
smoking a cigarette outside of building. And I'm not promoting

609
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.400
illegal use of cigarette smoking outside of building. I'm not

610
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:54.760
promoting that. But why is it we treat cigarette smoking

611
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.800
one way in fentanyl, which is really deadly, and the

612
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.719
government is saying we're going to subsidize you to do

613
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.320
fit though it makes no sense.

614
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.440
Yeah, I mean, we're already losing eighty to one hundred

615
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.679
thousand people a year. I don't think people who smoke

616
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.760
are hitting those kind of numbers, you know, but this

617
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.159
is Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. But this is unfortunately,

618
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.320
this is a country we live in right now where

619
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.960
everything is inverted. You know, up is down, down is up,

620
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.199
and I don't know what is it going to take.

621
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.239
But again, I'm surprised looking at this situation. Why, you know,

622
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.599
when we look at years years ago, when there was

623
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.519
you know, public service announcements, radio stations across the country

624
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.519
constantly would be running commercials. I mean this program. I

625
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.679
know that Salem Communications has helped you in producing this documentary.

626
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.280
I think they have like about one hundred stations still,

627
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.400
and I think even with the relationships with other broadcasters,

628
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.000
that we should be able to bring everybody together and

629
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.320
put these commercials out, put these public service announcements out

630
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.039
to make people aware, doctor Margaret, because I think that still,

631
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.480
I mean, here you are, you're talking to an elected

632
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.880
official not that long ago, when we already knew or

633
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.760
people that should be aware, especially when you're on a

634
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.280
committee and you're you know, you should know about how

635
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.639
dangerous this is, and they're just so largely ignorant. And

636
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.360
I mean that's kind of you know, it's not even sad,

637
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:33.760
I mean, it's irresponsible.

638
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.199
Well that's why here's the way I think we need

639
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.840
to think about it in context. Think about this this

640
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.800
this case, I don't even know if it's a data

641
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.480
factoid or just a concept. More people have died Americans

642
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.719
servicemen and women, all seven branches of uniform service, plus

643
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.239
the intelligence agencies in a hundred years of Americans being

644
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.880
at war World War two, Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo, Go War one,

645
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.920
Go War two, Afghanistan, Iraq, Global warrantear, a few other

646
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.760
un things. Add all that up, We're people have died

647
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.480
in fentanyl since I talked to that senator that then

648
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.719
died of fentanyl than all the wars for one hundred

649
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.800
years that United States has been involved in. And we're

650
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.480
not acting like we're at war. And think about China.

651
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.239
And I spent three weeks over in China with filming

652
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.960
on the movie and researching, and I think initially it

653
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.159
was all about the money. They wanted to make some

654
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.760
quick hardback currency greenback, and I think that was it.

655
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.920
But real quickly they realized we can days stabilize our

656
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.880
number one adversary not fire a shot, and Americans actually

657
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:56.719
send him money. I mean, it's really if you could

658
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:03.079
have a war footing and and kill your oppositions population

659
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.719
eighteen to forty five in the most successful way over

660
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.840
any other cause of death, What a great way to

661
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.400
destabilize your adversary and not spend any money and actually

662
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:16.320
make some money.

663
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.199
It is they have really figured it out and we're

664
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.000
not acting like that. But China.

665
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:26.800
Now, I will say President Trump gets this issue unlike

666
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:30.639
any other president you know who before, you know, because

667
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.480
this still was going around during the Obama administration in

668
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.320
the beginning, the very you know, Infancy and everybody I

669
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.760
talked to back then, They're like, Oh, it's just another drug,

670
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.639
it's another thing. And then when Biden's group came in,

671
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.320
it was very slow to react. They tried to react

672
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.440
in the last three or four months going to the election,

673
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.079
but I had Maybe I'm too cynical, but were they

674
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.440
reacting because it's the right thing to do, or are

675
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.239
they're reacting to salvage the campaign that was in a

676
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.239
ditch at that point?

677
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.000
You know, are they really trying to do the right thing?

678
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.400
And I just think they were just late to any crisis,

679
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.159
but this crisis in particular.

680
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.559
Yeah, I think we give them sometimes. I think we

681
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.599
give politicians too much credit. And that does sound cynical,

682
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:25.239
but that's based on years of experience and observing what

683
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.760
they do is that they're more interested than getting re

684
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:33.840
elected than really good policy, and there's very few politicians, sadly,

685
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.119
that are around that are willing to, you know, put

686
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.960
it all on the line and fall on their sword

687
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.719
for the American people. And we keep electing them into

688
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.360
office thinking that they have a mindset like that. But

689
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.480
the fruit of their efforts tells you differently. It tells

690
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.639
you you know, these things that as you say, and

691
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.239
I'm with you on it, it makes us all cynical because

692
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.320
this goes on for, you know, such a long time,

693
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.920
and then you look at you know, Okay, so here,

694
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.800
first of all, you've got an adversary that says, hey,

695
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.840
I want to be where you are. I want to

696
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.320
be the predominant ruling nation on the planet, and we are.

697
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.719
And they've made it clear they want to overtake America

698
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.639
and they've been very systematic about it. They have bought

699
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.920
our politicians. We know that money comes into the country,

700
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:34.239
and we know through the Confucius Institute they have invaded

701
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:39.920
our universities. They're controlling education. We know through the supply

702
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:44.480
chains America, through our trade policies, have allowed them to

703
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.559
get an upper hand to take over and even steal

704
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.159
intellectual property from the people who have engineered it and

705
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.760
created it and did all the R and D and

706
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.960
on and on. At every turn, China has proven itself

707
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.159
to not be an ally. They clearly, as you say,

708
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:07.320
are an adversary. And so here they get away with ventanyl.

709
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.360
They bring this in, and so does does ventanyl be

710
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:16.800
get covid, And it demonstrates not only to the communist

711
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.480
Chinese they want to overtake America, but to the world

712
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.320
America is a bunch of knuckleheads. And we're vulnerable to

713
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.239
this because, you know, because of greed or whatever it

714
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.079
is that you want to put it on. But you know,

715
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.880
you look at all the money that China has put

716
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:39.800
in to you know, to I guess as Miranda Devine

717
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.880
put it to elite capture our elected officials.

718
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:48.199
And then take go back ten years. You're exactly right

719
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.960
on all that about China. So take up everything you

720
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:56.320
just said, and then add to the mix the supply

721
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.800
chain that was already developed by the Mexican cartels into

722
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:00.840
the country.

723
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.840
And that's what China didn't have.

724
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.039
And so they have this very unholy alliance between the

725
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.960
China and everything you just said.

726
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.960
Add in the Mexican cartels and get it in. And

727
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:13.800
now in.

728
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.920
The last couple of years, you're starting to see the

729
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:21.599
Canadian biker gangs come in and are there now backfilling

730
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.199
because the Southwest border in the last three months has

731
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.079
really started to get closed down. Like I meant, President

732
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.599
Trump is serious about closing the border. And now you

733
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.639
got sort of a move to the Canada. And I

734
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.559
always want to remind people why Canada is so important,

735
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:46.159
just like the southwest border is right there, the northern border.

736
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:46.639
A lot of.

737
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.840
People don't are not aware that the US Canadian border

738
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.920
is the longest land border between any two countries.

739
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:53.800
In the world, exactly.

740
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:58.280
And so we got to get it serious on the

741
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.960
northern border, just like we've got and serious on the

742
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:01.960
southwest border.

743
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.119
And we got to get serious with China.

744
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.400
And then you had one thing there that I think

745
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.760
we should always and those are part of the solutions.

746
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.400
We got to get tough on Canada, Mexico, and China.

747
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.519
But the other thing is we have to at some

748
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.039
point have an honest question or an honest sort of

749
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.159
dialogue inside the United States.

750
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.480
Why is it we're four four and a quarter.

751
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.000
You know, four point two five percent of the world population,

752
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.559
We're consuming thirty eight thirty six percent of the fitnel

753
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.000
world supply, and we're sixty six percent of the worldwide

754
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.400
death total reported.

755
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:39.360
Now, not all.

756
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.519
Countries report their death so I understand that sixty six

757
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:48.519
percents probably closer to forty or fifty. You get the point.

758
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.880
Why are we ten times the death rate of the

759
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:52.960
rest of the world.

760
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:53.639
Why are we.

761
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:58.440
Consuming so much illiicted drugs compared to You know, when

762
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.599
you go to China, there's not a fentanyl problem in China,

763
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.079
And ironically, when you go to Mexico, you go to

764
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.000
Mexico City, you almost can't find fentanyl or anybody using fentanyl.

765
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.920
So they know how dangerous it is, but they let

766
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.239
us do it well.

767
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:17.679
And probably the way they enforce it to doctor Marbat

768
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.079
is that if you are selling it or participating it,

769
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.360
you don't pass go collect two hundred dollars, you go

770
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.800
straight to jail uh and and in some cases there's

771
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:28.800
a death sentence there.

772
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.360
Yeah, go ahead.

773
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:36.360
In China that they execute dealers. And what I was

774
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.000
told when I was on the ground, if you lap,

775
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.599
if you get caught, especially the high volume or high

776
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:47.280
quantity or the high potency drugs, if you get caught,

777
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.800
if you're alive in two weeks. That's that's very unusual.

778
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:55.599
You know, you you you probably have some other benefit

779
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.239
to the Chinese Communist Party. You got something else you're

780
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.119
going to help them with in trade. If not, you're

781
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.400
they execute you. And you know, the trials less than

782
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.440
a day. And I'm not promoting non fair trials. I'm

783
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.559
not promoting that. But the point is they within their

784
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.960
system take drug distribution very serious. And you look at

785
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.880
the states of California, Washington, Oregon.

786
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:24.960
They had all passed.

787
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:30.519
Legalization, decriminalization of drugs through up and down, and then

788
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.519
you got places like Chicago, Atlanta, New York at time

789
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.440
not now, where they weren't prosecuting it. So whether it's

790
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.519
because you decriminalize it formally or you just don't prosecute it,

791
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.559
really doesn't matter. If you're not prosecuting a high volume

792
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.199
potency drug dealer, drug drug distributor, we're going to.

793
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:53.880
Go backwards on this issue.

794
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.119
If we lean into it, we're going to go forward.

795
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.119
And I will say there was one thing that was

796
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.480
sort of missed in the last election that I'm starting

797
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:03.639
to get hopeful on.

798
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.559
California is a blue state. We all know that a

799
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.559
lot of people have missed.

800
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:14.320
Last election, November election, they voted two to one to

801
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:20.400
overturn the California legislature to start to recriminalize drugs, and

802
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.280
a lot of people missed it because it was all

803
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.760
you know, we had the presidential election and everything else

804
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.920
going on, you know, the Senate in the House.

805
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.760
But even California Blue voters are saying, this is nuts.

806
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.559
We've lost our brain, we've lost our way.

807
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.679
We've gone woke, and we're more worried about pronounced than

808
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.880
saving people's lives exactly.

809
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.519
And then hopefully they don't run into activist judges that

810
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.840
are so compassionate to say, well, the voters really didn't

811
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.360
mean to vote that way. They have done this in

812
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.079
the past. I know that because I was born and

813
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.719
raised there. There were eight million people that voted for

814
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.480
the definition of marriage and it took one again judge

815
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.800
in San Francisco to erase eight million votes. You know,

816
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.840
welcome to the blue state, insane state of California, which

817
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.360
I still have kids in, which is very disconcerting, as

818
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.679
you can imagine. But anyway, I'm wondering, doctor Marbat. We

819
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.519
only have about three minutes left here, but is there

820
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.960
some sort of I mean, with all the intelligence that

821
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:24.840
we have offering, I mean, the fact of the matter

822
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.880
is is that we've got an addicted consuming base here

823
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.639
in this country that's a magnet to all these illicit drugs.

824
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.159
And as dangerous as ventanol is, is there some sort

825
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.360
of methadone like drug that can help these people so

826
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.559
that it helps them, you know, either get off the

827
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.599
drug or you know, to help ameliate the danger of fentanyl?

828
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.880
Sadly, the short answer is there's some that have some

829
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.960
nominal benefit or have been proven that can work a

830
00:48:59.000 --> 00:48:59.480
little bit.

831
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.119
But here's the problem. Fentanyl kills you so fast.

832
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.920
Remember that, you know, thirteen eighteen month window.

833
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.079
You just don't find people that far.

834
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.760
And so if you wait for treatment and you're taking

835
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.639
such a powerful drug, you're dead before your treatment starts.

836
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:19.400
And so.

837
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.840
Really the only good way to deal with fentanyl is

838
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.840
not to get started in the first place. I know

839
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.719
that sounds a lot Nancy Reagan ish, but it really is.

840
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.679
We've never seen a drug this powerful, and the best

841
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.360
way to not get hooked on fentanyl is not start.

842
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.159
And also to realize back to what the DEA is

843
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.960
finding that two thirds of all elicted drugs on the

844
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.760
street have fentyl at some level in it, and so

845
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:55.280
we really have to fight this by not saying there's

846
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.400
a safe way to do it. We can get you

847
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.239
off of it, or we can make fentanyl say if

848
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.760
you have to say no and keep repeating how lethal

849
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:04.719
this drug is.

850
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.719
And that's where we solve this.

851
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.559
Well, it's a very comprehensive approach. That's only one part

852
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:13.880
I think in terms of it. But like you said,

853
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.800
we've got to disrupt, disrupt the supply chain. The cartels

854
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.280
are very deep into our country. They're involved in every

855
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.880
state of the Union. Before I remember when we first

856
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.039
started noticing it, it was maybe a dozen states. Now

857
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.760
it's pretty well been identified that the cartels are in

858
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.320
every state of the Union, and so they have their

859
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:38.039
operations for drugs and sex trafficking and every evil thing

860
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.800
that you can imagine that would generate income. And the

861
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.639
fact of the matter is is that, you know, it

862
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:48.519
really brings into question the morality and soul of the

863
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.840
American people. Are we that corrupt that we cannot see

864
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:56.880
the danger and what we're doing, you know, to our

865
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.039
fellow citizens and what we're doing to our families participating

866
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:04.320
in all these things that are illicit, that are empowering,

867
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.559
and the cartels are saying thank you very much because

868
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.599
we basically have created a big booming business for them.

869
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:16.000
That's exactly right. And you point about we kind of

870
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.960
want by and depended the same time. It's critical, right

871
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.320
and we've got to go out after all the border

872
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.280
in China for prosident working item.

873
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.599
Well, doctor Marbat, again, I want to thank you so

874
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.639
much for being with us, and again, knowledge is power

875
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.719
and we've got to continue to do everything we can

876
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.920
to you know, get the word out there. So doctor,

877
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.960
doctor Robert Marbat, who is a Senior Fellow at the

878
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.639
Discovery Institute. He served under three presidential administrations, most recently

879
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.199
as the executive Director of the US inter Agency Council

880
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.159
on Homelessness from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one under

881
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.079
the Trump administration. Thank you again for your time and

882
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.119
for coming on the show, Doctor Marbat, take.

883
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.360
Care, Thank you very much.

884
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.079
And thank you ladies and gentlemen for sharing a part

885
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.639
of your day. And hopefully this information we've shared with

886
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:13.639
you has been empowering, not only for yourself individually or

887
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.840
for others that you may have some influence under because

888
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.880
It is amazing, you know, the amount of people who

889
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.840
are dying, This is the lethality of this drug is

890
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.599
something that we cannot we cannot underestimate. As doctor Marbat

891
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.360
that illustrated. I mean, the amount of people who have

892
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:37.599
died from fentanyl exceeds the number of casualties in each

893
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.280
of the wars through the nineteen hundreds and the current era.

894
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.400
I mean, think about that, and again the numbers continue

895
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.519
to grow. So thank you again for being with us.

896
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.039
May God bless you, may keep you. May His peace

897
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.679
be upon you. May he be gracious unto you. Thank

898
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.320
you so much for being with us. Less