New Docudrama Gender Transformation: The Untold Realities Takes a Close Look At Younger Transgenderi

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for choosing W FORCY Radio. Well, good afternoon. I'm glad you could

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join us as we delve it into
a controversial topic. Lots of questions,

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lots of answers, you know,
potential, But as you know, everything

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about this show is that we're going
to pursue the truth, no matter where

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it leads from a biblical worldview.
Now, we're grateful to have our next

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guest, Tobias Elvidge, with us. He's a code director and producer of

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a new feature docu drama titled Gender
Transformation The Untold Realities. It takes a

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closer look at the topic of transgenderism
and youth. It does so by exploring

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the roles played by the education system, the medical and pharmaceutical industries, the

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financial interests behind the transgender movement,
and the societal and political mechanisms being utilized.

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Tobias, welcome to the show.
Good to have you with us.

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It's great to be with you,
and it's an honor to be on your

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show. Well, i'll tell you
we're blessed to have you here, because

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it's like transgenderism and the whole issue
and topic has come upon us seemingly stoked

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quickly. But as you know,
the issue of transgenderism has been around,

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you know, for decades. It's
just now that it's coming into the mainstream

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and it's a bit shocking for the
majority of people, not only in America

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but around the world. It is. Actually, I didn't know so much

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about the subject before Epic Times reached
out to me and they said that this

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is a very hot topic right now, transgender and we really want to make

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something about it because it's important.
It's something especially with the children. And

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so I started to investigate the matter
and then I came across actually a Swedish

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documentary and they had actually explored this
matter quite well, and I was very

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surprised what I found they brought up
like thirteen cases of children acted to this.

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Yeah, now when when did they
produce that documentary to bias? So

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they actually made four different programs.
So the last one they made in twenty

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and nineteen, and after that the
National Board of Welford they actually changed the

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policy here in Sweden. So now
it's so much harder for children to to

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start to go on the Pubert brokers
and start with a cross holmost and everything.

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So it made a huge change.
So that's that's that's a good thing.

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Well, you know, don't you
think that's what we want to do

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is we want to find out what
the truth is to say, Okay,

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are we helping people? Are hurting
people here? And God blessed the Swedish

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people and the government and the powers
to be to not be so so convicted

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to it that they felt like,
regardless of the of the facts and the

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science, that they would continue to
move forward. They they investigated the evidence,

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the empirical science evidence, and I
guess they the bottom line was they

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determined that it was not all that
beneficial. Yeah, they were actually high

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level doctors some of the most prestigious
hospitals and they actually said right out in

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the program that this is chemical castration
of the children. So it was very

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powerful. And we had one case
also about a girl and she had been

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on the Pugrel bookers for four years
and after that the bone marrow the density

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of her bones were so weak,
so she could hardly stand up for more

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than like fifteen minutes. So she
was so badly affected by this. Right.

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Well, you know, it's interesting, like you say, when you

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know, epic Times came to you
and said, hey, would you do

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something? Could you could you do
a documentary about this topic? And you

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know, by your own admission,
you didn't know a whole lot. But

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I think I find it quite interesting
is that when we're brought into uh,

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you know, teach on topics that
were not necessarily familiar with, it's it's

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almost like the teacher becomes a student, or in this case, the filmmaker

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becomes the student as well. Right, Yeah, definitely. So I read

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a lot, and I also read
a lot of studies. I read a

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lot of like experts comments, and
also I followed out other documentaries that were

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made, and there was a lot
of positive documentaries, especially by you know,

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high profile media like Netflix or HBO. They have a lot of you

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know, pro transgender documentaries made like
just saying that it's a lifestyle, and

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they had no critical explanation at all
or like view. So I was a

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little bit surprised by how how the
media portrayed it. Yeah so, and

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we're talking Netflix here in America.
Right in Sweden as well, oh,

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Swell, so they took up a
positive footing on this, uh and seeing

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it, and I guess they would
have to have gone out of the way

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to ignore, you know, stories
like the other document especially in Sweden that

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they had produced a series of four
documentaries and other research that you were able

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to see for yourself, right.
Yeah. So, actually Sweden has some

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of the best or longest long time
time studies and research because we keep track

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of all the our patients in the
system. So that's part of our system,

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and that's why we can see we
can really follow up what happens to

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the transgender people who have this you
know change change the genders and have to

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go through the whole system with the
public workers and everything. So and those

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studies actually show quite the opposite on
many of the the you know, short

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term studies that are made in the
US that quite biased so this long time

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studies, they actually show that it's
a higher percentage of people committing suicide after

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they change the gender. So right, well, when you say, do

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you have a number? Uh,
is it like thirty percent forty percent of

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the people who have been transgendered that
that they've that has led to suicide.

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Do we have a solid number on
that. Yeah, there's one number,

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and that that's just in comparison to
you know, other groups in society.

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So transgender people, especially those who
have gone through the treatment, it's nineteen

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percent higher chance of committing suicide.
Wow. You know, to me,

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looking at that number, I would
say, whoa, let's let's slow down

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here. But meanwhile, you know, even here in America, uh,

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you know, even though we've gone
through a period of where you know,

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we needed to follow this science,
we need to believe the science. Well,

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you know, to me, when
you have facts like this, this

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is this is more than science,
isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, I

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mean there's a lot of experts that
are actually they have knowledge about this,

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but they are not here so much
there you know, you know, there's

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a that's what I also found out
through the documentary that you know, there's

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a lot of research that is not
being shown, and there's a lot of

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research that is actually you know,
it's lifted up and like like this is

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the science, but actually there's so
much more that it's not like this Swedish

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studies. There's studies meeting in Finland, and actually Finland is on the same

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path as Sweden. The kind of
you know, made it much harder for

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children to go on this path.
Um. So yeah, now you you

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say, you're saying these studies are
being suppressed, right Who Who's suppressing these

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these studies? So that's a good
question. I think. You know,

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there's uh, there's a lot of
lobbying going on, especially uh we're from

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from the UM towards like towards the
doctors in America and other countries as well

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of course, so they are you
know, lobbying these doctors, and they

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are they kind of I wouldn't say
infiltrate, but they had they had they

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managed to get into these these organizations
through the wpack UM and then they managed

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through these organizations to to highlight these
other studies that more short term studies and

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that are actually it's it's when you
look at them you can actually see that

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well, for example, they call
up people who who have gone through the

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tubular blockers and the cross almost and
then they make like a survey with them.

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But you know, the people they
find usually I mean if if you

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find them they haven't committed suicide,
of course, so then you just use

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step percentage. But you don't you
cannot call up and follow up on the

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others. So for example, that's
what's used one example. But I guess

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that the audience is good to do
your own research on this, because that's

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that's what I always recommend. When
you go through and you see the research,

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do it yourself in a clear mind
and ask yourself if there's a you

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can see if there's a gamda behind
it or not. And they usually some

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of these studies you can quite clearly
see that it's it's not so many people

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they made these studies with and it's
a quite short term study. Yeah,

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without a doubt to buy itself that
is, whether sees the code director and

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producer of this new docu drama gender
Transfer Transformation, the untold reality these Unfortunately

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it is it seems diabolical on the
surface to bias that people would manipulate information,

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you know, like this, For
I guess their own personal gain because

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the research that I've been able to
conduct it tells me that, uh,

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you know, hospitals and doctors are
making a lot of money. I mean,

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this is a very profitable enterprise.
And we go back to something that

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has become an ongoing mantra here in
the United States, and that is you

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follow the money. And when you
follow the money, you begin to realize

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the ambitions and the motivations of those
that are pushing things that on the surface,

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uh at you know, are minimally
I mean, they're highly questionable and

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common sense. It defies common sense
on many levels. You know, the

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Swedish have been able to determine very
quickly how how dangerous this is for their

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young people because nobody is checking and
saying, Okay, what kind of problems

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did we have in our society before
frans genderism came into play versus now?

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And are we you know, creating
an itch that wasn't there before and we're

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creating it and exacerbating it. Does
that make sense? It does? And

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just like you said, we are
now creating a problem and there is a

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money trail, definitely, and we've
been following. Actually it's a very she's

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very intelligent journalist, Jennifer Billick,
and she's been writing a lot of you

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know, in depth articles in this
subject matter, and she's been really following

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why is this going on? She's
I mean, she's a liberal from the

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start. She's she's been inside the
environmental movement. She's been just but then

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she's been seeing through like why why
does it happen at the same time that

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all these organizations are starting pushing so
hard for something. Usually, you know,

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when it's a human rights movement,
it comes from the ground, it

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comes from the people. And he
seems like this is not the case here.

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You have a lot of you know, really high level people, like

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with lots of lots of money,
and they are all pushing it at the

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same time like this and making it
seem like a human rights movement, but

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it's really it's not. It's coming
from And one thing is that these rich

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people, they have big interest in
pharma as well. So some some pharma

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citical companies, big really big big
ones like Striker for example, Striking Medical.

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There's and his name is Striker and
he has the Strike Medical and then

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he has also one of the largest
nonprofit what do you call it organizations for

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LBTQ. So you can see there's
a great interest there because these LBTQ moments,

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they are actually working a lot for
for the trans rights, and they

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shifted at the same time, they
shifted a lot to just focus on the

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on the trans rights. And actually
there's a lot of lesbian and gay people

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there also against this because they see
that oh, suddenly, this movement that

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they believed was good suddenly just changed
all of the focus on this path.

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Yeah, because it's not it's not
organic. It's like you said, it's

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top down. You know, if
it's organic, you've got you know,

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personal interest and direct connection to this. But when you're being told, you

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know, from the top down that
this is what you do. Yeah,

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at first, it can be a
bit confusing. And certainly, I would

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say for the masses here in America, I mean, we're not that far

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away here to bias from uh,
you know, women's rights and hashtag women

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and uh, you know, we
go for that and you know Title nine

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and let's let's have a quality for
women in sports. Now that's out the

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door. Men can compete with women. You know, women have just kind

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of been ignored. I mean,
we have a Supreme Court judge in her

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nomination process. She couldn't even define
what a woman is. So, I

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mean this has happened. I mean
at rocket speed. It's no wonder that

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people's heads are kind of jerked out
of place. It's like we need some

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sort of chiropractic adjustment for our next
because it's been snapped so hard to think

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that here we can go from honoring
women, elevating them, moving them into

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more of an equitable position and consideration, and now that's not enough. Now

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we've got to change their gender.
Yeah, it's like, what is going

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on? That's crazy? Yeah,
it really. It goes against both men

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and women, I would say,
because you know, it kind of boosts

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this view that you have to be
like the stereotypical way of a woman and

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boys and if you're not like a
you know, a regular boy, maybe

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you're a girl, you have to
change your gender instead of just letting them

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be. So that would be Yeah, So that's the crazy part because we

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have a history of humanity that operated
that way. And again, okay,

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I admit, I mean I'm not
dealing with that issue. I've got other

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issues. All humanity has issues.
Okay, that is not my particular issue,

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but based on my issue, I
mean, I have compassion for people

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who are trying to get an answer. But the problem is is that when

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you have people giving you the wrong
answers. Going back to what we talked

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about earlier, people telling you how
you should think and what you should believe.

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And I appreciated what you're saying because
what you said earlier. So key

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to our television show here and everything
we do on Bill Martinez, is that

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we tell people, Look, we
bring you the information. Hopefully it motivates

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you to check it out for yourself
so that you own the knowledge, own

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that knowledge. Don't take somebody else's
word for granted. I mean here,

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you know, don't take Bill's word
on this, don't take Tobias's word.

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Make it be your own because you
did the research. Because here we are.

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I mean, you know, it's
an exciting time on many levels,

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this time and period that we live
in the information age, right where information

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is that your fingertips, it's so
readily available. I mean you have to

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be purposely ignorant and purposely uninterested to
just let life go by and let this

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happen to you, right, Yeah, I think what we've found out through

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the interview of a lot of experts, is that there's a lot of social

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pressure. So that's one question I
had in mind. Why are so many

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social workers, therapists, especially therapist
and the psychologist and also doctors. Why

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are they all like getting along with
this without you know, looking at the

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other side and just being a part
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them they just you know, one
meeting with a child and then they send

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them on the path with the puble
blockers and everything. So because a therapist,

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you know, this should supposed to
be a gatekeeper, you know,

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and really like okay, ask the
right questions, and that's actually what they're

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doing now in Sweden. You have
to go through like at least one year

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and you know, go deeply on
like is there any underlying issues or But

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that's not what the therapist, especially
in some states in the United States,

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are doing. It's it's quite opposite. You're actually if you don't just approve

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the child's new identity, then you
can be you can lose your license,

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right, So yeah, well that's
yeah, I mean, and that's amazing.

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It's not don't use your license.
But if you're a parent, there

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are some states they are making laws
that negate your parannal right with a child,

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and already we have the educational systems
that are stepping in and circumventing parannal

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rights, which is causing all kinds
of problems here in the United States,

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as you can imagine, Tobias.
And that's exactly actually what we found because

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we started out as a regular documentary
and then when we found actually one case

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with a mother. She was a
very loving mother and a really big heart

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Christian and she she was she told
us the story that was so powerful that

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we couldn't let it go. And
even the cameraman he's very stone faced and

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he even cried, you know,
doing the au So after that we knew

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that we have to do something special
about this story, so that we choose

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to make actually as a doctor drama. So we hired actors and we make

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her story like a drama. So
that's why now it's a doctor drama.

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Yeah, I want you, I
want you to tell us more about it.

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we're back with you. Good to
have you with us. We're continuing our

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conversation with Tobias Alvig is the co
director and producer of a controversial docu drama.

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And to say controversial only because I
believe that there's so much ignorance that's

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still out there about gender transformation.
Is docu drama the Untold Realities breaks it

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down, you know, from the
ground up, to help inform us so

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that we can further our own studies. Because the fact of the matter is

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is that, uh, you know, gender transformation not only is becoming part

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of the conversation, but for some
households, it's becoming a reality. Tobias,

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you know you said that here you
are in as you start to do

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the filming, you come across this
critical story that was pivotal that really caused

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you to redirect this film project into
a docu drama in order to tell this

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woman's story. And stories are so
important. I want you to expand a

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little bit more for our audience on
her story, the story that even brought

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tears to the eyes to and otherwise, you know, I don't want to

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say hardhearted, but maybe a person
that wouldn't normally respond this way, you

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know. The cameraman that that was
there with you. Yeah, so Abigail

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Martinez, she's from California, and
when we interviewed her, we knew that

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this is something special, this is
a very powerful story. And and actually

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it was such a powerful story it
was not almost hard to believe it at

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first because it was so incredible.
And you know, it also showed,

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you know, the whole procedure,
the mechanism behind you know, what's happening

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first in the educational sector, what's
happening with the teachers, what's happening in

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there, how are they affected?
And also it shows how you're affected by

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social media and how such a like
a powerful force that is for young people

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today. And yeah, because even
I don't mean to cut you out,

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but even social media, when they
know that you're investigating next thing, you

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know, you're getting bombarded with other
you know, links and more information about

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transgenderism. Right. Yeah. Yeah, and there's a lot of you know,

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influencers that the people are that children
look up to, and yeah,

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they're like role models and they see
and a lot of these influencers they make

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it seem like it's such a cool
lifestyle. So if there's children, they

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feel like, you know, you're
a little bit you know outside in your

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school or whatever, and suddenly you
feel like you see these people that get

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so much attention, they get so
much love, and they feel like,

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oh, this is a community that
I can belong in. Suddenly you get

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this urged to also be there.
Of course, so there's a that's actually

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one of the part. We have
a researcher. Her name is Abigail.

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I'll see if I find her last
name, but anyway, she she's been

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researching this a lot, and she's
seeing that, you know, especially girls,

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there's a huge why is there's such
a huge amount of girls wanting to

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change into boys. And then she
found out, I mean before you had

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you know, anorexia or this,
this kind of diseases, but now you

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know, this is taking over a
lot of other things. And especially you

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see many of these children actually have
underlying issues and underlying diagnosis, and autism

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is one of them. And autism
makes you feel like you're a little bit

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different in the world. So naturally
these children want to, you know,

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find how they can become you know, you know, they see it as

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a solution. So that's what the
issue is, Like you say, excuse

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me, to the issue of belonging. That is so key that it is

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such a key motivator, right,
that's what you know, that's what develops

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gangs, it's what develops you know, tribes, you know, on campuses

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and that sort of thing. Is
that, by nature were a bit tribal.

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was interesting when I was doing some

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additional research on it was that girls
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high numbers into into gender transformation.
It's only been recent that they've overtaken

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the boys, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's it's like the

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last three four years, it's been
like a huge jobs. So yeah,

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And that's actually one mother that we
interviewed as well. She said that after

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the sexual curriculum and like sexual ed
or I don't know what the English terms,

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but when they had some special courses
when they were like eleven years old,

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twelve years this is at school,
yeah, school school, right,

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yeah, sexual education school. After
that, they suddenly all the girls,

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her daughter together with all her friends, they all were all something other than

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than heterosexual. So they were like
suddenly they all have these different labels out

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of nowhere. And then the mother
felt like this is so strange, and

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suddenly her daughter was also trans.
So she realized there's something going on in

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the school and she started to look
up. But you know, the sexual

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education, how it's done, and
how it's so much you know, there's

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yeah, how how how how much
influences this The girls get through that so

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biased? When when you were doing
these interviews with these girls and these parents,

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you know, in order to enter
into this, uh, this club

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in gender transformation, did they entered
immediately as soon as they declared that they

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were trans, So they first spoke
that into their lives. They weren't necessarily

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taking drugs first, So there must
be a delineated process that they travel to

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in order to get to the final
conclusion of gender reassignment. Right, Yeah,

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that's exactly what we followed through this
story. You see, first the

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education system and then actually the school
therapist in this case, she actually you

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know, she started to promote a
special club that they had, LBTQ club

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that they had in school. So
a lot of schools they have these clubs,

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and so she promoted that and then
the the daughters. She went to

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this club and at this club you
get a huge influence suddenly that if you

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have any little doubt before, then
suddenly you know that that doubt is highlight

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and suddenly it's like your whole world. Oh that's why everything is so wrong

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with me, So suddenly that yeah, it's so much highlighted. And actually

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also interviewed a therapist and she has
she had been working at one of these

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clubs, so she could get inside
information on how the therapists are are taught

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to you know, promote and how
to convince the children to to you know,

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to go on this path as well. So so it's an idea the

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motivations for them to actually convince,
not inform, but to convince a child

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h and to influence their choice.
Yeah, so according to her and according

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to others as well, a lot
of people they say the same thing.

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So they actually, you know,
when you go to a therapist, they

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have to um ask you like some
questions and then they have to say that

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if you're a little bit unsure,
then oh but you know that that you

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may be. It is a high
percentage or a high risk if you don't

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go through this, that you commit
you will commit suicide. That's what they

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also tell the parents. Yeah,
so then the parents get really scared,

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and the child of course also get
scared because then they suddenly get these ideas,

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oh maybe I will commit suicide.
So they see that this is a

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one stop solution. You have to
do it, or else you'll even commit

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suicide. So that's how it works
in many layers. So you have so

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that's that's a consistent narrative that they
tell these kids to get them in the

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road, you know, get them
down the road, and to slam the

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door behind them and tell them that
there's no turning back, right, And

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that's a consistent pattern that they do. Ye. Yeah, yeah, they

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even ask you, the parents,
would you rather have a dead daughter than

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a living son. That's a standard
question that they are taught. So you

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know, it's it's very thought through. And that's and actually, you know,

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some people they actually you know,
they have a good heart. They

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do it because they actually believe in
these studies. So they actually believe that

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they are saving lives. So there's
therapists and doctors and they believe that,

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oh, this is the right thing
to do, or else they will commit

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suicide. So that's also a part. They are not evil, they are

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not They just in you know,
brought into this. Yeah, yeah,

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exactly. Well, And the thing
is is the empirical evidence is coming out

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now is that girls especially that have
participated in h gender transformation, there is

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this dramatic uptick in suicide. So
their their theory is blown out by the

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obvious evidence, isn't it. Yeah, And that's the crazy part. It's

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actually the opposite, exact opposite to
what they are trying to say. And

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then we haven't even talked about all
the side effects. So all these people

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that we interviewed that have been through
this, and they're called de transitioners,

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and you know, they have so
many implications, so many problems. Now

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it's actually their lives are being ruined. So you know, they can't they

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can't. They are so young and
they can't function properly. So there's so

408
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.320
many functions in the bodies that in
you know, as you say, you

409
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.159
can't reverse. And like you had
this one girl the story that you told

410
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:28.320
that her bone density was so compromised
she could she could barely stand up as

411
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.360
a result of the puberty blockers.
Right, Yeah, Because when they say

412
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.000
it's just a pause bottom, that's
what they say. So that's like a

413
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.639
sales pitch almost. It's just a
pause bottom then you can continue. So

414
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.079
it's no big thing, but it's
such a big thing because you know,

415
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.840
this is twelve, thirteen, fourteen
years old, so much development is going

416
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.840
on. So if you stop that
chemically, you stop all you stop the

417
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.519
brain development. You know, there's
so many sensitive things happening in the brain

418
00:34:54.880 --> 00:35:00.559
that also get affected, of course, because it's it's like and then there's

419
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.840
yeah, other functions in the bodies
of course, and exactly, yeah,

420
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.320
yeah, Well we've got to go
to break Tobias Alvises with us. We're

421
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We're talking with Tobias Alviage from Sweden
is the co director and producer of epic

467
00:38:51.039 --> 00:39:00.760
Times document drama Gender Transformation The Untold
Realities. Tobias, what was the age

468
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:08.679
of the youngest girl that you had
interviewed that entered into this gender transformation?

469
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.920
So she started to get into it
when she was twelve or thirteen years old?

470
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:24.800
Wow? Nob, that's that's a
lifelong decision at twelve thirteen. Yeah,

471
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.199
And they actually they say the opposite
there as well, So they said

472
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.119
like, oh, you have to
do it now or else you will maybe

473
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.360
lose the chance. Because actually,
like in some states like California, they

474
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:44.840
subsidize subsidize your your everything, so
you get everything for free. But if

475
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.880
you wait too long, then then
you don't get it for free. So

476
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.199
then they use that as an argument. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're

477
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.239
using that as an argument because that's
the money that comes to that comes to

478
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.679
them. You won't be able to
afford it later on. Right now it's

479
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:05.000
free, yeah wow. And so
and so for this twelve thirteen year old

480
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:12.840
girl, you followed her story.
What's her story today? She's not alive

481
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.719
today, she's not alive. No, and that's part of the story.

482
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.079
So that's what we follow, and
we follow what happened to her, why

483
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:29.559
she's not alive alive? Yeah?
Yeah, this is heartbreaking, you know,

484
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.159
and and I know, Tobias for
you and for your cameraman. I

485
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.119
mean, you're following these stories,
and it's it's the child, it's the

486
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:45.320
parents, it's the family that's involved
that this child is no more and all

487
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.880
that the parents must have gone through
because as you say, I mean,

488
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:54.199
here's a parent dealing with a difficult
child. Um well, I mean I

489
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.800
personally, I have a son who
deals with autism and it has been a

490
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.679
challenge. Um, we haven't had
to go down the road uh, that

491
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.360
these other subjects that you feature in
your doc docu drama. But regardless,

492
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:13.280
it is a high maintenance proposition.
It takes a lot out of you.

493
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.000
And what are you grieving for your
grieving that your child could be Uh,

494
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.840
I don't know whatever normal represents or
at least fit in or you know,

495
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.800
be able to be a part of
the family and to be able to contribute.

496
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.000
And meanwhile, here you have this
uh, this weight, this confusion

497
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:36.920
that is upon this child that you
love that's around your dining table, and

498
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.679
doesn't you know it feels like they
don't fit in and uh and they and

499
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.280
they don't belong in a family that
they're born into. And I can tell

500
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.760
you it is. It's debilitating,
you know for the parents and the family

501
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.880
members. Yeah, it is.
And I mean there's so much confusion,

502
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:02.239
confusion in that age as well for
I mean especially for for artist child children,

503
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.400
but for everyone. I mean,
there's so many challenges. You have

504
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:07.920
to fit in, you have to
you know, make friends, you have

505
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.440
to you know, maybe girlfriends or
boyfriends. I mean, there's so many

506
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.239
things that they are growing up to, and then you have all of this

507
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.480
confusion on top of that. So
and Yeah, that's the thing that I

508
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.920
think they are using this confusion of
being you know, in a very sensitive

509
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.719
age, and that's what's so so
bad when we see that there's actually a

510
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:38.000
money trail, there's actually you know, people actually want to do this to

511
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:45.920
the children. And that's that's for
me, it's like it's it's eye opening

512
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.679
that that there there, there is
this you know people actually want to earn

513
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.960
money and want to do this as
an agenda. You can't help, but

514
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.960
great for these kids. Uh to
my you're in the crew followed what twelve

515
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:04.280
you said, twelve thirteen young people
right now? That was the Swedish Swish

516
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:08.119
Swedish television. Yeah, so they
made if they actually had thirteen cases.

517
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.320
But in our our document doctor drama, we follow like one main story.

518
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.679
Let's see all this mechanism leading up
to to you know, this this very

519
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.199
bad faith. And then we have
a lot of experts. We have doctors,

520
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:30.920
we have you know, therapists,
and we have also psychologists and you

521
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.760
know also mothers to other children,
and they have the transitioners that tell their

522
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:40.280
own stories on how they got affected
all these complications that he had from from

523
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.639
yeah being through what they've been through
and you know, like one guy he

524
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.920
wanted to change gender and what happened
actually is that all this estrogen that he

525
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:58.559
got into the body made him so
sick, so he almost died from all

526
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:04.880
this estrogen. So your body,
your body is not a male body is

527
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.679
not designed to handless. And you
would think the doctors would know better,

528
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.039
right or they just are they just
playing, uh you know, kind of

529
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.360
like the mad scientists and and just
you know, trying these different recipes on

530
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.840
these kids and they're they're basically turning
them into lab rats. Yeah, that's

531
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.679
so, and that's what we also
have world Higher and he's, uh,

532
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:29.719
he's one of very old re transitioner's
like eighty two or eighty four. Oh,

533
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.159
and he's been through this and then
he regretted and now he's you know,

534
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.480
fighting for for more information on this
and he's helping a lot of other

535
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:44.000
people with eighty two years old.
What a story and what stories he must

536
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.440
have with all these decades of experience
going through this, right. Yeah.

537
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.159
And you can go and check his
website as well if you're apparently listening to

538
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:58.320
this and you're a little bit unsure. Six Change regrets dot com, sex

539
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.199
Change regret dot com. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, so that he's got

540
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.800
a lot of good research there and
he's been you know, interviewing over a

541
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.760
thousand people who's been through this,
and yeah, all these experts they can

542
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.239
and all these these transitioners as well, I think, you know, they

543
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.760
it paints a very coherent picture what's
actually going on and how it affects the

544
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.119
bodies. And in the end,
what I found out is you can't really

545
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.320
change the genre. It's it's you
know, even if you manage to do

546
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.280
everything cosmetically and you know, it
will still have so many implications when these

547
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.400
people they will not have normal orgasms, they will not have you know,

548
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.119
normal There's so many things they cannot
key properly. It's so much, so

549
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.039
many things, so many complications.
So even the people that are actually promoting

550
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:50.679
it, they have so many complications
that they don't maybe dare to talk about

551
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.840
because they want about to me to
bias. I've always had a question about

552
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.559
the DNA. I mean, that's
fine, you're touching the cosmetic, you're

553
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:05.360
touching the exterior. But we have
DNA, we have the inter science,

554
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.639
the network that God created in each
of us. A lot you're not even

555
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.719
addressing that you're hoping to kind of
I guess maybe block it with you know,

556
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.840
purity blockers and other you know,
chemicals and that sort of thing.

557
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:22.360
But you cannot alter the natural assignment
and infrastructure of a human being's body.

558
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.840
No, exactly. And that's why
you know, a lot of especially sensitive

559
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.480
people, they feel all these chemicals
that are entering the body. So they

560
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:37.800
are lifelong patients. You know.
That's the other thing too. Yeah,

561
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.039
did you did you by chance did
you find a positive story in all this

562
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.559
as you were you were doing the
research and as you were interviewing people,

563
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.519
was there anything positive that you could
say? Uh, gender transformation is a

564
00:46:51.559 --> 00:47:00.199
positive thing. There there is,
Uh, there's people and there's a you

565
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.480
know, if you if if you
interview transgender people, they will consider themselves

566
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.199
happy, but many are you know, they come and they are quite aggressive.

567
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.239
They protests and we have one of
the protests in the in the film,

568
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.400
and you know, they are very
aggressive and they want to you know,

569
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.280
cancel all the other voices. They
just want to have the positive voice.

570
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.880
So that's one thing. And I
mean that that that's one of the

571
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.639
side effects that you get in the
beginning when you start to take. For

572
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:32.159
example, you're a girl and you
take testosterone and you can actually both you

573
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.079
you will maybe you will be more
aggressive naturally. And the other thing is

574
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.880
that you can get you feel high, you get you feel stronger, so

575
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.159
you can and that you can mistake
it for happiness. So I mean,

576
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.599
when you're on all these drugs,
of course you will maybe have the idea

577
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.880
that you are more happy you're you're
living. And of course there might be

578
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.039
people who are you know, feeling
that okay, they really belong in the

579
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:05.480
wrong body and now they are more
content in their new lifestyle. But sooner

580
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.679
or later, all these medical things, all these things that they have done,

581
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.639
it will catch up to them.
And that's when I think, you

582
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.880
know, it's going to be a
very sad story as well. Yeah,

583
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.400
without a doubt when you get kind
of like the eighty year old man that

584
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:22.280
you were talking about, eighty years
he's been dealing and experiencing this, so

585
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.079
he has a lot of stories to
tell. And as you said, sex

586
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.800
Change Regret dot Com is the website
that our viewers can go to tobiases we

587
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:37.320
wrap things up. Where can people
go to be able to see the epic

588
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.599
times gender transformation, the untold realities
your docu drama. So Apple Times have

589
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:52.880
a streaming platform with a lot of
similar great documentaries and it's called epop TV.

590
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:58.599
Yeah, so epoptv dot com.
And also if you go to gender

591
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.800
transformation dot com you can which I
think it's ten or fifteen minutes for free

592
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:10.079
of this documentary. And yeah,
well, Tobias, I cannot thank you

593
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.280
enough for you know, coming on
the show and giving us this information.

594
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.239
As you said at the very beginning, you know, it's our responsibility to

595
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.719
own our knowledge, not just be
told. Obviously there's been too many people

596
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.840
that have been told about gender transformation. And then you should be suspicious.

597
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.840
Okay, what is the motivation?
Do they really want you to know the

598
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.880
truth of gender transformation? And this
documentdrama goes a long way to enlighten us,

599
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.480
give us the information answer questions that
we've had, but also to motivate

600
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:51.039
us to own our own knowledge and
to you know, check this out for

601
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.880
themselves to see what's going on,
because maybe not today, but maybe somewhere

602
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.000
it could be your daughter, could
be one of your grandkids or someone else.

603
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:07.440
So the family that is influenced by
an educational system by social media by

604
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:13.960
influencers to you cause them to think
that this is a serious consideration for them,

605
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.159
right. Yeah, yeah, and
that's what we hope that more people

606
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.519
get, you know, more awareness. That's what we can do to raise

607
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:28.840
awareness and to you know, to
see that the true realities. Yeah,

608
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.679
exactly. To Bias Alvig, co
director producer of the docu drama, thank

609
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.840
you so much for being with us. You've been awesome and uh you're You're

610
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.480
a true gift to our audience.
We thank you, take care, Thank

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you so much, Bill, and
thank you for a great job. All

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right, you got it for more
information to be a part of this mighty

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Martinez movement to return to God and
to save our country. You know the

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website Bill Martinez Show dot com.
Thank you for being with us. May

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God bless you and keep you and
make his face shine upon you. Go

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forth, Okay, be blessed and
live beyond your imagination. Appreciate you.

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Thank you,