Marilyn Monroe, JFK, Dorothy Kilgallen Murder Mysteries Resolved Per New Evidence In “Collateral Dam

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Well, welcome, great to have
you with us. I'm Bill Martinez,

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and we're going to talk about probably
one of the longest running conspiracies and

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questions that America has had, certainly
in my lifetime I could say, is

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that people have wondered who killed JFK. Right, And here we are another

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anniversary we're coming upon and we're going
to be talking with Mark Shaw. Mark

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has just been so involved for at
least a decade and a half in researching

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what happened with Marilyn Monroe, JFK
Dorothy Kilgallon murder mysteries resolved per new evidence

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that he cites in his latest book, Collateral damage. Mark, of course,

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is the best selling author of The
Reporter Who Knew Too Much? And

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we welcome Mark Shaw to the show. Markham, good to have you with

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us. How are you, sir? Hey, Thank you, Bill.

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Good to see you again. Well, it's been it's been a while since

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we talked, and you started sending
me emails here and I said, OK,

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gotta have you on and here.
It is perfect timing a November anniversary

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and the assassination of JFK. And
so here we are. Yes. And

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it's interesting because I'm going to start
the show with an apology, which is

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not something I don't think I've ever
done too much, Bill, but a

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new evidence that I'm going to explain
and the journey as to how I got

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there is evidence that I should have
found and I did not. What we're

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going to talk about is certain proof
that of the corruption at the Warren Commission

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when it investigated JFK's death in nineteen
sixty three. In nineteen sixty four,

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we're going to be able to show
that back then there were two senators,

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a senator Senator John Sherman Cooper of
Kentucky Republican and Senator Richard Russell of Georgia

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Democrat who absolutely demanded a dissent in
the final report of the Warren Commission,

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stating that they did not believe in
the seller bullet theory. They did not

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believe it was Oswald alone, and
they had an executive meeting about that that

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I will talk about and we will
see how that particular information and what the

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senators demanded was never in the final
report, and what a difference would it

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would have made. But I missed
all that when I was doing some of

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my investigation. This all started.
I think you remember way back when I

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was working on a biography of this
man, Melvin Belly, and you remember

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him. He was a flamboyant San
Francisco attorney. I practiced law with him

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actually in the nineteen eighties. I
got to know him very well. He

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was quite a character, married six
times. He represented people like Errol Flynn

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and the Rolling Stones and Tammy Faye
Baker. And what really perked my interest

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in bell I and how he might
have been involved with some of the you

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know, some of the situations with
a jfk assassination is when I learned about

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that. His main client at the
time was Mickey Cohen. I remember him.

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He was a Los Angeles gangster,
throat type of guy, and you

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know, heavily involved with the mob. I also found out that bell I

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love to say that he was affiliated
with the mafia. Kind of made him

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look like a big guy and stuff. In fact, you'll get a kick

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out of this. He used to
go to Las Vegas and hang around with

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those guys, and bell I was
such a character. He would first thing

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he did when he got to hotel
was have them page Melvin Belly, Melvin

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Belly, Melvin Bellie, so everybody
he was there, his own promoter.

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I love it. That's great.
Yeah, So I learned about him,

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and because of the connection with Mickey
Cohen, and then I learned, of

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course, what we know is that
Melvin bell I was chosen or became or

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was supposed to become the attorney for
Jack Ruby who shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

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So that perked my interest and I
started looking into that, and it took

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me back to the nineteen sixty election, which you remember or you know we're

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young, Yes, the election when
JFK was going to lose that election.

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Joe Kennedy knew unless they won Illinois
in West Virginia, so Joe picked up

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the phone and he called the Frank
Sinatra, the family buddy, and Sinatra

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put him in touch with Samji and
Conna in Chicago, Carlos Marcello in New

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Orleans, Santo Traficante in Florida,
and all of these mafioso who got together

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and helped them win the election in
Illinois and West Virginia. And when they

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did, Joe made a deal with
the devil. If they helped him,

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then the administration would leave those gangsters
alone. But the first thing that happened,

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and the first real break I got, was when a very credible reporter,

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in fact, an editor for one
of the major newspapers in Nashville,

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I appeared on his program and he
told me about the sitting at a breakfast

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meeting when Joe Kennedy ordered Bob JFK
to appoint Bobby Kennedy attorney general. And

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as you remember, Bobby Kennedy hated
the mafia. At the Llen hearings,

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he made fun of of sam g
and Conna you giggle like a little girl,

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you know, and all of that. So when he became attorney general,

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the first thing he did was go
after those guys. He had the

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i RS go after Giancana. But
the one that really made a difference,

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as we'll talk about, is that
he deported Carlos Marcelo, the kingpin of

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the mafia in New Orleans, to
Central America, and he almost died there.

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So one of the things that I
will find we'll mention when we get

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into the Dorothy Kilgallen connection to all
of this is that while I was researching

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her story for the reporter who Knew
too Much, I found out that she

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was aware that what Marcello knew was
that Bobby Kennedy was going to be on

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his bottom all the way through and
for future years. What Marcella decided was,

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I've got to I've got to get
him off my back. I want

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to kill the rat. But if
I kill him, JFK will come after

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us with everything the government has.
But if we eliminate silence JFK, Bobby

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Kennedy will be powerless. And that's
exactly what happened. He never went after

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those guys again, he resigned his
attorney general and all of that. So,

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of course then that all led me
to Dorothy Kilgallen, and I feel

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like, in some ways, Bill
that she found me and wanted me to

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tell her story. And I'll explain
that a little bit later, but I

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got into talking about Dorothy, so
I want to stop right there because that's

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where I got into Dorothy. And
I want to tell you right now of

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the new evidence that I've found and
what the journey is from there on.

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It's amazing that I can't even believe
this sometimes, but my publisher has told

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me that interviews and presentations I've given
at various venues across the country have been

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watched on YouTube by more than eleven
eleven million people. And what happens,

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and it will happen with your show
today too, is that there will be

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somebody watching your show today who says, wait a minute, I knew about

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Dorothy Kilgallen. I knew about this, I know something about the JFK assassination.

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It's kind of called crowdsourcing where people
will then get in touch with me.

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Well, last July a man called
me and he sent an email.

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He said, mister Shaw, my
name is Morris Wolf, and I just

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watch a presentation of yours at the
Allen Library near Dallas on a collateral damage

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and I noticed the name Dorothy Killgallen
and of course my hair is percup because

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that's a long time ago. Oh
yeah, right, he said, call

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me, so I called him,
and mister Morris, you know, I

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wish I could have recorded it so
we'd have him on the show today.

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But at that particular point, all
I could do was write as fast as

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I could on a yellow pad.
And what he told me was interesting.

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I think your your viewers will be
most interested in this because he was an

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amazing, amazing man. His health
not is not quite as good as it

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used to be, but he's sharpest
to be still head I was. I

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was graduate. I graduated from law
school at Yale. My professor suggested I

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go to work for Bobby Kennedy,
and so they made the connection. I

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went in to see Bobby Kennedy.
The first thing he told me about Bobby

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Kennedy. You know how it is
when you're looking for corroboration of somebody's story,

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you look at the details they give
you. He said. I walked

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into his office. There he was
sitting there, his short his shirt leave

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rolled up like this, his no
jacket, kind of sitting there like he

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was at the That was kind of
that was kind of typical Bobby Kennedy by

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the way, it was, wasn't
it, Yes, Yes, it was

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yes. So when he told me
that, you know, JFK was much

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more formal, but Bobby was always
looked like he was ready to go play

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golf or something. So anyway,
he said, I worked for Bobby Kennedy,

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And he said, you know,
I'm honored to say that I helped

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write the Civil Rights Act of nineteen
sixty four. Wow. And that was

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I worked on title too. That
was when we decided we could use the

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car clause of people crossing state lines
who were being prejudiced. They couldn't minorities

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couldn't stay at the uh Howard Johnson's
or eat at one of the restaurants or

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whatever. So that's what we did
and we got that passed. And one

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of the senator's help was a man
named John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky. And

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I'm going to tell you about that
in a minute, he said, sure.

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Before I do that, though,
let me tell you how much the

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Kennedy's trusted me. On my bicycle, I rode from the White House to

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the Attorney General's office with an envelope
in my hands that contained secret documents.

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I got high security clearance, and
I took it back and forth and on

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a bicycle, on a bicycle eight
blocks And he said, you know why

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that was that was needed? And
I said no. He said, because

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both kennedys knew that j Edgar Hoover
was tapping their phones. Now, Bill,

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that's at the highest echelon of government, and I don't think anybody knows

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that it's it's disgusting in a lot
of ways, but who you know,

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Well, this is what he was
known for. He was known for those

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files and all the information that he
would fill with it. Yeah, yeap,

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protect himself. That's why he lasted
so long, right, good observation.

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So he said, okay, Well, I worked for John Sherman Cooper

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and by the way, by the
way, Mark, I used to go

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to parties at his house at twenty
ninth in End Street in Georgetown, and

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they asked me to come because I
was a bachelor and there were a couple

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of important women who needed somebody to
talk to. Jackie was there. JFK

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was there because JFK was a very
close friend of John Sherman Cooper's. And

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I've been able to put in fighting
for justice, photographs of JFK and his

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wife, John Sherman Cooper and his
wife at the White House. I found

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out that Jackie Kennedy called Cooper like
a grandfather. He was like an abe

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Lincoln type with all of his credibility
and all that. So he said,

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I used to go to these dinners
and guess what, mister Shaw, I

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sat right next to Dorothy Kilgallen.
Wow. Well, I mean, what

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are the chances of something like that
happening? And I don't know how this

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stuff all ends up with me anyways, But I said what he said,

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Yeah, I would describe her as
a bright light bulb. That's his quote.

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And in fact, while she was
eating her Caesar salad, she was

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interrogating me about what Senator Cooper was
doing and all that. And I said,

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it's just amazing. He said,
well, yeah, let me let

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me stop right there, but I
want to tell you about Senator Cooper.

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He was a member of the Warren
Commission and he used to invite me.

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We drove in my SOB to the
Warren Commission hearings, and uh, it

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was it was amazing because I sat
right in the back row and one of

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the things I noticed right away was
there weren't hardly any members there. The

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staff was doing the uh, the
interrogation of the witnesses, and we'll come

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back to why why that happened.
So he said that was interesting, and

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then on the way back, he
gave me some of the most compelling information

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I think that's ever been released,
and it's been in fighting for justice.

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And then I found some more as
well, he said. Senator Cooper was

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absolutely disgusted with the way the Warren
Commission was being operated. He didn't feel

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like that the full story was being
told. And in fact, he said,

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and I wrote these down as quickly
as I could possibly as possible a

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bill. The Commission members already know
about the Jack Ruby connection to organized crime,

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but they don't want to touch it. It's more than Oswald, but

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Butler, but Hoover and Chief Justice
Earl Warren keep pushing the Oswald alone conclusion.

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Our new President, Lyndon Baines Johnson
now wants to cover up and move

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on. The Commission members want to
bury the truth under a pile of stones,

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and Earl Warren is acting like a
Third world dictator. And then this

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is the one that hit me the
hardest. Senator Cooper told Wolf, the

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inability to gather all of the evidence
in certain areas, as well as a

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number of suspicious circumstances the duws from
the record has made me preclude the conclusive

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to termination that Oswald and Oswald alone, without knowledge, encouragement, or assistant

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of any person, planned and purpitated, perpetrated the assassination alone. So I

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knew that when I was dealing with
and that's in fighting for justice, and

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I knew all. I knew all
of that. So what that made me

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do, and what I feel remorse
about is that I never looked into the

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JF the Warren Commission like I should
have. You know, when I learned

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about the assassination way back when,
when I was just a freshman in college,

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I was upset. I cried,
as you'll hear that Dorothy Kilgalla did.

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I was so upset, like the
rest of the world. Exactly when

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the Warren Commission came along and they
told us the truth. They told us

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what happened, supposedly that it was
Oswald alone, and I bought that like

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everybody else did did you really?
You know? I gotta tell you,

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Mark, I never bought that.
And I've had more debates with people over

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this, and I just it just
never you know, and at the time,

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what was I I'd have been I
guess what about thirteen years old,

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I think at the time, and
so it didn't it just didn't match up.

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We're talking with Mark Shaw his book
Collateral Damage, and he's revealing,

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you know, some new information,
but we're getting the whole backstory as it's

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all coming together. And I appreciate
you taking the time here, Mark and

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pulling this together so that we can, you know, understand. I think

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there's still so much more to be
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You and I and millions of people
around the world were disappointed when President

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Trump, he was supposed to release
all of the information regarding the JFK because

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it was sealed until a specific time
that due date had come it expired.

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He released about fifty percent and something
stopped him, Mark, and I don't

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know specifically, but something stopped him
from releasing what another fifty percent. Still

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millions of documents remaining regarding the JFK
assassination, right, yes, and you

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know Biden hasn't released all of it
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There. What I wanted to do
to give give some context to all

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of this. Go back to when
the JFK assassination happened. All right,

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and we'll talk about Dorothy Cogallen and
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But you've got it. I want
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of Jed your Hoover because JFK is
dead and I think Dorothy knew through her

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investigation. The Hoover said to himself, Oh, wait a minute, they're

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going to blame this on me.
They're going to blame this on the FBI.

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We should have stopped this from happening. So if you buy that,

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and I think it makes common sense, what is he going to do.

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He's going into protect mode. The
first thing he did was to confiscate all

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of the Dallas Police Department files on
the assassination, and Dorothy Kigallen found that

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out when she inter viewed the police
chief, Jess Curry. We'll talk about

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that. So he confiscates those and
he sends them off to the Bureau in

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Washington, d C. Because the
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investigate. He didn't want that to
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It was there. It was their
purview, wasn't it. I mean it

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should have been investigated by the Dallas
police. Well yeah, and you're going

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to just be shocked at this next
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he stole JFK's body. He basically
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and before they could do any autopsy
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d C. Where they did the
autopsy. In fact, Cyril Weck,

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who would be a great guest for
you, the forensic scientists, told

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me he has examined the autopsy and
all that the worst one he's ever seen

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in sixty thousand of them he's seen. So they do that, so there's

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no autopsy. So he's now,
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he's shouting Oswald alone, Oswald alone
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He tells the Justice Department, we
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that Oswald acted alone and with no
one else. So he's sealing off all

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the loose ends here and then and
then what does he do, Well,

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he decides that wait a minute,
I hear the Congress is going to investigate

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the JFK assassination. I hear that
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and I have proof of that happening. Well, he talks it over

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with his buddy LBJ and they say
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the excuse that he uses for going
ahead with a federal investigation. Get this,

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is that the JFK assassination is not
a state crime. And obviously it

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was, yes, but he doesn't
want it investigated. There. So what

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do they do next? They get
together, they say, well, we

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need a commission to look into this. Let's let's put it put together a

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group of people. We'll get Earl
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That'll give it validity, and then
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And he got to remember, Dorothy
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job back there, as we will
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JFK's death. So she's watching all
this happen. And the one that really

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stuck out with me and your your
viewers will really be interested because we're going

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to refer to this photo a couple
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here right here, okay, right, and so what does he do?

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Well the first one that stuck out
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Well, if you know, Alan
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been fired by JFK two years earlier. What in the world is he doing?

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And we'll explain why he was on
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death. Who he who he hated. In fact, he didn't stare for

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him at all. Second, of
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as the president. Then we go
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National Archives that indicate the conversations that
uh uh that uh l b J and

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Hoover had about how who to put
on the commission. We'll put Dallas on

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there because we know we can control
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A. Let's put Jerry Ford on
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cliches, uh LBJ says to Hoover, well, you know he can't think

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and chew gum at the same time, so we know we can control him.

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So then they put on a couple
a couple of other people. They

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put on hail Bogs who they think
they can represent, they think they can

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control from Mississippi, and then they
made two mistakes. But nobody ever picked

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up on the two mistakes until I
got all this new information through Morris Wolf

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and Dorothy John Sherman Cooper, the
Republican from Kentucky and UH and UH Richard

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Russell from from UH from Georgia.
So Dorothy, then you know, is

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knowledge of all this. She's quizz
quizzical about it. She writes these columns

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that we'll talk about Oswald file must
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forth. But at the same time, the members, Cooper and Russell are

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starting to object to what's going on
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fact, I have a letter that
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I want to resign from the Warren
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like I'm doing my job if I'm
not even invited when some of the witnesses

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are going to appear, like Lee
Harvey, Oswald's brother, you're kidding they

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were eliminated from Yeah, they did. Because Hoover is figuring out he can't

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control Cooper and Russell, so he
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LBJ talked him into not doing so. But the first thing document that I

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found was on December fifth, nineteen
sixty three. It's the United States Senate

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memoranda that Russell wrote war to LBJ. Something strange is happening. Warren and

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Cottenbach. And by the way,
that's Nicholas Kottenbach, who is the acting

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Attorney General. They put him as
on as an advisor to the Commission to

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Protect the Kennedys. They didn't want
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They didn't want to know about what
I have proven that Bobby Kennedy was

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involved in Marilyn Monroe's death. So
they got Kotzenbach on there and the FBI,

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and they are apparently and others planning
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Only one even considered to kill JFK. That is Lee Harvey Oswell. So

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that's the first indication on a document
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much more, more, much worse, because you're going to hear about documents

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being destroyed, committee meetings not being
recorded, And the first one was September

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eighteenth, nineteen sixty four. This
document from Senator rich Russell's oral history at

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the University of Georgia. And here's
what it says. Richard Russell forced a

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final executive session. Now this is
six days before the final report is issued.

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Bill. Now, Richard Russell forced
a final executive session of the Warren

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Commission. His main agenda was to
present his prepared dissent document and refused to

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sign the commission report unless the dissent
was included. After presenting his concerns,

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Russell was joined in dissent by Senator
John scher Sherman Cooper and to a lesser

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extent, Representative Boggs. In an
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Senator Cooper recalled that Russell's well seasoned
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Like Russell, Cooper was very impressed
by the strong and compelling testimony of

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Governor Conley and thus was willing to
follow Russell's lead in rejecting the single bullet

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theory and the Oswald alone theory.
So you've got these two gentlemen who organized,

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especially Russell, this executive committing meeting
where they talk about this dissent and

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what comes out of that meeting is
LBJ and Hoover promising these two senators that

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the descent will be in there.
I'm going to talk. I want to

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talk about the implications if it would
have been in there a little bit.

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Hang on one second, let me
ask you real quick. So, so

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even Conley didn't believe ultimately with the
Warren Commission's report, what they're saying in

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here is that the testimony by Connolly
let them believe that there wasn't it didn't

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make sense to see single single bullet
theory, single bullet theory. And also

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it may have gone as far as
the whole Oswald alone thing. You know,

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Connolly was always kind of suspect of
all that he wasn't you know,

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it didn't sound like he was all
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has been perpetuated forever and strolled by
a lot of scientific investments and investigations and

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everything. So here's what happens then, and this is where where it's just

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tragic. This meeting they believed Cooper
and Russell was being recorded by a sten

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steniographic company hired by the Commission,
and Russell found out well, Russell saw

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a woman in there with a machine
and it looked like that she was recording

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everything had happened. Later on he
found out that that woman was not recording

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that session. She was doing some
work on a deposition or whatever. So

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there is no record of that meeting. That's the first thing at Hoover and

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j LBJ did to make sure there
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wanted. And the second one is
worse. You heard me talk about Russell

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saying present his prepared descent document.
All right, what did Russell find out

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that document disappeared? Wow? Obviously
it was destroyed because they didn't want any

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evidence of that happening. So in
early September or September eighteenth, the dissent

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was considered. Those two men were
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what Morris Wolfe told me really made
a lot of sense when he told me

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to look at the cover. Well, look at the photograph of the Warren

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Commission. He said, Russell and
Cooper are so upset, and you can

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tell in the photograph right exactly.
Look here here's Senator Cooper hiding behind Senator

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Boggs, and if you look at
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the other end is Senator Russell who's
looking at Chief Justine Warren like he's just

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could hit him in the head.
So, you know, it's little things

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like this that Dorothy Kilgallan taught me
and I learned from being a former criminal

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defense lawyer, that you look at
because they corroborate what happened exactly. The

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evidence is there. It's the first
time it's ever been exposed. I missed

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because I didn't go far enough into
what Morris Wolfe told me about what happened

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here exactly. But now we're being
able to reveal that. And let's talk

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about and you're already way ahead of
me on this for sure, about the

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implications if a dissent would have been
in the final report, and because what

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would have occurred, in my opinion, is there would have been more investigations.

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They would have investigated the Mafia,
the CIA, the Cubans, the

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Russians, the LBJ, they would
hooever, all FBI, all of this,

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but they closed the door on it. So, in my opinion,

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in the future, anybody who's going
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Warren, the proof of the Warren
Commission corruption, because that just changes everything.

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It really does well. And you
touched on the motivation that part of

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their motivation was to keep the cover
up of the fixed election of nineteen sixty.

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Yeah, it was, and so
everybody had an agenda on that commission,

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you know, and Hoover with heovers, you know, a cringe every

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time I think his name is on
the FBI building. But he was a

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smart man. He had them all
sign a code of silence. They would

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not talk about the proceedings, they
would not talk about the final report,

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and none of them did. And
Marswolff told me that John Sherman Cooper,

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other than talking to him about it, went to his grave, and so

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did Russell without although Russell late in
life found out about the deceptions and he

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gave a final interview with a radio
show in Georgia just before he died of

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cancer, where he talked about all
this, but it didn't get much play

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at that time. You know,
the Commission had done its job so well

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that everybody believed it and everything well, and they were able to squash the

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media, you know, pretty much
like they do today. I mean they've

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controlled it, but even more so
today than then. But even you know,

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to think that they could keep this
covered up for so long, Mark,

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it really speaks of the power of
you know, of the government.

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I mean, because the government has
all these media entities under control. UH.

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Radio, you know, as far
as the radio concern, you know,

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with the FCC, UH you know, could you know, tighten down

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the screws pretty quick and UH and
then other governmental agencies to put pressure on

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the newspaper you know profession as well. Well. One of the one of

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the relevances here is what happened back
then happens today. And that's why I

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tell people, why why do we
worry about this? Well, there should

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have been more questions ask about the
jfk assassination, just as they are today.

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Don't accept anything left or right or
middle or whatever it is. Do

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your own research, check into things. You know, you can't trust anything

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because you're right and landing on the
media. Back then, all of the

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newspapers, the television, all this, they all bought the oswald A loan

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theory. In fact, I found
where CBS UH did a three part program.

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People can look at it on the
internet bringing in Kronkite rather who are

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the other big Morley Safer all their
big guns and they did all these experiments

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on how many bullets and everything.
Yeah, I remember that, yeah,

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exactly. And they came back with, hey, the Warm Commission got it

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right, Yeah they did. Yeah, and and so and it happens today,

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you know, every once in a
while out here. And I did

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yesterday about a radio show in in
Dallas that's coming out with a three part

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series this week that just basically is
still Oswald alone. I mean, they

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haven't done their research whatsoever, but
the but you have to think about this,

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Okay, what's happened here? Uh
LBJ and Hoover have buttoned up the

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whole holes about anything other than the
than the Oswald alone theory. They've done

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that. Now, by the way, he qualified as a marksman, which

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is barely qualifying in the Marine Corps, I know, and personally, and

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then and then with the twenty nine
dollars you know, rifle and I don't

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care. I mean even though he's
in even though he's in a kill zone

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and you know, the limousine slowed
down, that's still I mean, the

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chances of executing those shots, I
mean, what are the odds? Mark?

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Yeah, that's for sure. And
Dorothy we're going to talk about,

408
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:25.880
well when she interviewed Jess Curry,
the Dallas Police Department police chief, when

409
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.759
she went out to investigate and everything, and in daily plause and all that,

410
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.759
he told her the shots he sent
his officers to the overpass. So

411
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:34.759
there's all of that. But let's
look at the media back then, because

412
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:41.759
they're all buying this Oswald alone conclusion. If you believe my research, here's

413
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.720
what I believe happened. First of
all, Melvin bell I was on call.

414
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.599
I have a witness who was right
there with him when a waiter came

415
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.559
up and said, you'll never guess
what happened. Some guy named Ruby just

416
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.000
shot Oswald, and bell I said, well, now I'll have to defend

417
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.720
Ruby, so I think he knew
about the assassination before happens. They then

418
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.200
go ahead and Ruby kills Oswald,
that shots Oswald's I mean, yeah,

419
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:12.680
Ruby shot shoots Oswald. That closes
Oswald's mouth. Another loose end. Now,

420
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.640
Belli uses a psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense
that nobody, including Dorothy and the

421
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.519
jury believed because it makes Ruby look
crazy. Yes, so now all of

422
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.880
these these holes have been filled up
in everything. But there's one problem out

423
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.039
there. All the media is going
along with Jaeger Hoover. But there's one

424
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.319
problem. And her name is Dorothy
Kilgallen, because I want to tell you

425
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:44.000
just quickly how she got involved in
the JFK assassination and why they were close.

426
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.160
They were close friends in New York
City. He used to go to

427
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.599
her home, and I have proof
of this, playing charades. They met

428
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.599
at different restaurants in New York City, and then he invited her to the

429
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.599
White House, and she brought along
her three year old son, Carrie,

430
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.000
who was the love of her life. And they went to the White House

431
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.559
and Pierre Salinger set it up for
a meeting in the library and Dorothy and

432
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.359
Carrier. There here comes the President
of United States and he shakes Carry's hand,

433
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.440
and Carrie had brought letters from his
third grade class. Oh wow,

434
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.279
JFK makes a big fuss over there, gives him a p one nine pin

435
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.000
all of this, and you can
just imagine how honored Dorothy was and how

436
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:29.240
much that shures that meant to him. So in fact, the very first

437
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:34.440
column after she cried about JFK's death, her friend's death, it said something

438
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.559
like, what I remember is a
tall man stooping over a little boy making

439
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.440
a fuss over the letters he brought
from his third grade class. This is

440
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.759
the man who was killed in Dallas. So you see it was personal.

441
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.000
Now you have to go back with
Dorothy a little bit. Not only was

442
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.160
she the star on What's My Line, the CBS show for ten years,

443
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.759
she had a radio show and that
was watched by ten million people every Sunday

444
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.240
night. She had a radio show
listened to by a million people a day.

445
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:09.679
She investigated the doctor Sam Shephard case
which became the Fugitive, the Charles

446
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.199
Lindbergh baby kidnapping case, all of
the big cases at the time. So

447
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.199
she was a very Ethley Bailey,
who I practiced law with a little bit

448
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.039
in the in the nineties, said
she was She was a great She was

449
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:28.239
one of the best criminal trial journalist
I ever saw, one of the best,

450
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.760
and she was. So now she's
going to get involved on a personal

451
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.360
basis she goes to Dallas. I
always like to say, right now,

452
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.639
there's so many so called experts out
here out there who have written books,

453
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.119
spoke about this. They're doing it
right now in conferences some places in the

454
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.599
country. They were not there when
the JFK assassination happened if you weren't.

455
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.840
I wasn't. But I've been able
to use Dorothy's evidence in her in her

456
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.679
investigation because she she shared it with
me in some ways and I could find

457
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.719
it, especially like through Morris Wolf
and others. Soulay. She goes to

458
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.639
Dallas and she starts in and the
first thing that she does is she goes

459
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.280
to the Jack Ruby trial and she
listens to the testimony. And you remember

460
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.320
that he had said that he just
happened by the Dallas Police Department went inside

461
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.480
and there happened to be Oswald.
Well, she found out from the testimony

462
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:27.239
of a parking garage guy from across
the Carousel Club that Ruby came in the

463
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.440
day before he shout Oswald on the
phone. He heard him. He heard

464
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.800
Ruby say he would be there when
Oswald would be transferred. He'd make like

465
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.960
a reporter to get into the basement, and he would use his police friends

466
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:43.159
to help him. Dorothy later wrote
a column about all of the police friends

467
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.239
that Ruby had, including those that
were accompt at his Carousel club and all

468
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.360
that exactly all that, and so
right away she knows that Ruby's not telling

469
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.760
the truth about what happened there as
many people wondered about too. So she's

470
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.159
got that information and it really concerned
her. So what she does do.

471
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.679
She's at the Ruby trial. Her
first column was about Ruby and and how

472
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.320
he would prance across the courtroom and
here was a guy who nobody ever knew

473
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.920
about and now he was a star. I think it said Ruby Stars at

474
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.639
last was the name of the column. Because he was an unknown, he

475
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:21.639
was a mafia wanna be all this
and now he's a star. So uh

476
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.320
then then just out of the Blue
Bellies co counsel Joe Tannahill and I have

477
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:32.000
this information in this interview up on
the Dorothy kilgallonstory dot org that people can

478
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.679
learn more about Dorothy and all the
things I'm saying. Tannahill says to Dorothy

479
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.360
Jack Ruby would like to talk to
you. There were four hundred reporters at

480
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.400
that trial. She will be the
only one who interviewed Ruby. There.

481
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.360
Wow, so you can see you
can see her in the courtroom with her

482
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.639
files against her chest. They meet
behind and this is this is proven,

483
00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:00.679
behind a railing separating the spectators from
the from the council tables. They talked

484
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.280
for about eight to ten minutes,
as she tells people at that time,

485
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.000
Now you're gonna say to me,
wait a minute, Mark, right now,

486
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:12.920
you got to tell me and my
viewers and listeners what he told her.

487
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.280
I'll explain to you to why I
can't oh, okay, okay,

488
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.199
and you'll understand. So what does
she do with that information? We don't

489
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.199
know exactly what she said is I'll
tell you, But what did she do?

490
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.000
The first thing that Dorothy did was
go to New Orleans to investigate Carlos

491
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.719
Marcello. She was sack hard.
You know, I used to with my

492
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.320
criminal cases, with all my all
my murder cases, you always look at

493
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.199
motive. You got to look at
MODI. Well, who has the greatest

494
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:45.960
motive to silence JFK? And that
has to be in her mind, Carlos

495
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.880
Marcello. So she goes to New
Orleans. She takes a kind of a

496
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.559
beefy hairdresser with her to protect her
because now she knows she's kind of in

497
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:59.599
danger because Hoover obviously is looking over
her shoulder with these Oswald Alone columns and

498
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:04.159
other things she's doing. He knows
she's talking to Jesse Curry. So she's

499
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.000
starting to get scared. She takes
this guy with her and they're about halfway

500
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.599
through and she gets a phone call
and she tells the hairdresser, go to

501
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.880
the airport, get on a flight
right now, go back to New York

502
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.199
City, and don't ask me any
questions. She stays a bit longer,

503
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.440
and we believe from what he told
us, what he did an interview and

504
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:29.480
other things that she had connected Oswald
Ruby and Carlos Marcello. She go back,

505
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.400
She goes back to New York City, and we can talk about Maryland's

506
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.639
death in a little while, but
she does the same thing that made the

507
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.760
same mistake that Marylyn made. Now
we're gonna have just Dad's up Mark.

508
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.679
We've got about eleven minutes left here, so just in terms of pacting,

509
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.719
so go ahead and let's move on. So we'll talk about Marylyn. They

510
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.440
were blabbermouse. Maryland talked about what
Bobby Kennedy and Jack Kennedy told her,

511
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.880
going to the press with it,
and that's what led to her death.

512
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:57.679
Dorothy goes back. She says,
I'm going to crack the JFK assassination investigation

513
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.880
wide open, and then her pair
Chester says, well, you better be

514
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.880
careful, and she says, I'm
afraid for my life and my family.

515
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.360
I bought a gun. If the
wrong people knew what I know about the

516
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.840
assassination would cost me my life.
Wow, and Dorothy Killgallen without going into

517
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.280
details. On November eighth, nineteen
sixty five, She's found dead in her

518
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.559
in a bedroom she never slept in, wearing her eyelashes, her hair piece

519
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.519
and her makeup, wearing clothes she
never wore to bed. There's a book

520
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.000
on her lap upside down. Anybody
with any sense will tell you that's a

521
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.280
stage deafiny. I was going to
say, yeah, can you say stage

522
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.280
yes? So the medical examiner comes
later in the afternoon with the police.

523
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.119
But before that, the reason I
can't tell you what Jack Ruby told Dorothy

524
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.639
Kilgallen is that according to the butler
and his daughter confirmed this. Just after

525
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.559
Dorothy's body is found, the FBI
raids her apartment. They come rushing into

526
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.400
the apartment. They go up to
her office on the fifth floor, and

527
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:01.199
they confiscate all of her files and
documents about the assassination and about a book,

528
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.440
a manuscript that she's writing, a
tell all book about the assassination.

529
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.800
So what happens. The medical examiner
sees an empty second all bottle by her

530
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:16.119
bed and believes, okay, this
is another celebrity who overdosed. The conclusion

531
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:23.480
they come up with ish she died
of an overdose of barbituate's circumstances undetermined.

532
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.679
Now I have since interviewed doctor Michael
Boden, who you know that, on

533
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.559
a radio show in New York,
and I asked him about that because I

534
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.880
said, doctor Boden, you signed
the autopsy. He said, no,

535
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.360
no, I didn't. I said, it's right here. I said,

536
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.960
is that it was that the conclusion
overdose of drug circumstances undetermined? And he

537
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.000
said, well, we didn't really
know how she died. It was suspect,

538
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.440
but we didn't really you know.
So that was a bunch of ball

539
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.599
as well. Right, So what
happened was that we're able in the books

540
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.840
starting with a reporter who knew too
much. I'm not going to go ahead

541
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.079
and get into it. You don't
have time, and that's okay. I

542
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:04.599
can show you exactly how Dorothy Callen
died. But believe me when I say,

543
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.360
when they did a little review of
her bodily fluids a couple of years

544
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:15.559
later, two toxicologists found three barbituates
in her system fino, barbital, tu

545
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.519
lanol, and second all a lethal
dose of barbituates. That's what killed her.

546
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.239
And when people say to me,
why why do we need to pay

547
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:29.719
attention to Dorothy Kilgallen and her research, I say, because they killed her.

548
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:35.800
She couldn't write that book for Random
House. Yeah. Wow, Well

549
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.360
in these last eight minutes, let's
uh, if you can mark, let's

550
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:49.079
unfold the the RFK Marilyn Monroe story. Well, collateral damage, you know,

551
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.480
wasn't supposed to happen. I was
gonna quit with the reporter who knew

552
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.360
too much. Then I found the
Ruby trial transcripts and I wrote denial of

553
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.840
Justice. Uh. Then I I
was going to quit, But I never

554
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:07.159
bought Marilyn Monroe, Uh, you
know, committing suicide. And I found

555
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.000
a column by Dorothy two days before
Maryland died. Dorothy is on the upswing.

556
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.199
She's going to Holly or Maryland's on
the upswing. She's going to Hollywood

557
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.480
parties. She has a love now
in her life, bigger, a bigger

558
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.519
name than Joe DiMaggio who she was
married to, the baseball player. Uh,

559
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.960
she's got Broadway offers to UH to
play in New York. She's got

560
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.000
movie offers all this. So once
I saw that, and I found out

561
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.360
that Dorothy and Marylyn were good friends, I thought, wait a minute,

562
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.679
that does not sound like a woman
who would have been suicidal. Yeah,

563
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.159
exactly, And that was the determination
the front pages, Marilyn Monroe commits suicide.

564
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.119
No investigation there by the way.
So anyway, I started looking into

565
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.239
that, and I decided that you
know who, who did Marilyn Monroe have

566
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.400
any love affairs with before she died? Who else could have silenced her?

567
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.679
Well? First I looked at JFK
because they had a very short relationship.

568
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.719
You might remember she's saying Happy Birthday
to him at Madison Square Garden in that

569
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.079
see through outfit. We'll never forget
that, but that short lift. And

570
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.639
then I thought about Bobby Kennedy,
and I was able to find through my

571
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:22.159
documentation at the National Archives and through
witnesses who were there, that Bobby Kennedy

572
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.360
was concerned and so was JFK.
Marilyn Roe was going to talk to the

573
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.239
media about matters of national security that
JFK and Bobby had told her, including

574
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.639
JFK's setting up the assassination of Castro, and I have a CIA document that

575
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.559
proves that. Well, they obviously
couldn't let her do that, so I

576
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.079
thought Bobby Kennedy is the one who
could have been involved here. The document

577
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.639
also said that he had a torrid
love affair with her in early nineteen sixty

578
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.280
two, so I knew that.
I proved that he was in Los Angeles

579
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.119
the night that, the night before
when Maryland died, and so I was

580
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.960
able to piece that together in terms
of Bobby Kennedy having been complicit in Marilynman's,

581
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.760
Marilyn Monroe's death, and only one
more point about that, if Bobby

582
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:17.800
Kennedy would have been prosecuted for being
complicit in Marilyn Monroe's death, based on

583
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.559
all the evidence that I have and
others have, there would have never been

584
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:28.079
a JFK assassination because he would have
had to resign as Attorney General, which

585
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.440
mean that, of course, there
would never have been a death of Dorothy

586
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.000
Kilgallen because she wouldn't have had to
investigate a JFK assassination because there wouldn't have

587
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.639
been one. So I've been able
to link those three deaths, and I

588
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.159
just want to say, finally,
none of them got the justice they deserve.

589
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.679
Certainly JFK did not get the thorough
investigation he should have had. Maryland

590
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.440
certainly didn't, and Dorothy didn't.
And that's just sad. It really is

591
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.360
sad. And on the sixtieth anniversary, you need to think about JFK and

592
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.519
the positives and all the things he
could have possibly done, getting US out

593
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.400
of Vietnam, saving us from a
nuclear war, with a missile crisis,

594
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.440
civil rights, all of that,
but will never know because he was killed.

595
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.280
Yeah, it wasn't so much that, Yeah, I mean, he

596
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.199
was holding back the forces to get
us involved in Vietnam. And it was,

597
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.880
of course it was LBJ who immediately
when he took over as president.

598
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.679
Next thing, you know, we're
sending thousands of American young men and women

599
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.559
to Vietnam. Yeah, you know, somebody mentioned that yesterday, and I

600
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.760
guess that wasn't my recollection. I
thought we were more involved. But LBJ

601
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:40.440
was the he was ligit because what
happened was, you might recall Eisenhower had

602
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.599
warned JFK about Vietnam. He says, this is going to be a huge

603
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:49.159
problem. You got to be careful, and he also mentioned at that time.

604
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.760
I think it was one of the
first times we heard about the industrial

605
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.519
military complex, and he said that
they were going to really drive this issue

606
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.840
and he needed to be mindful of
it. So through you know, out

607
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.119
his presidency he was able to hold
back the forces and you know, and

608
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:12.320
there's of course some story there that
that was another potential reason for why JFK

609
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.039
had to be taken out. Yeah, I've heard that too, and it

610
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makes sense. But the whole cover
up of the Warran Commission, see,

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none of that was this was ever
investigated. Yeah, that's where I feel

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like all of the research out there, research out there, researchers out there

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should be very upset and now go
back into the commission and look into it

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even more. There's got to be
more information out there. I'm not that

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smart a guy. It's it's out
there, so really ask the questions and

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find out even more than I found. Well, it's kind of like trying

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to figure out all the shell companies
that the Biden family has hiding foreign money.

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I mean, these guys operate at
a level the deep state operates at

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a level of their own control,
and they know how to protect themselves and

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if we'll ever, you know,
get the whole truth and nothing but God

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only knows. But this is the
problem with the truth that is quite bothersome

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for people who lie. Is the
truth eventually finds a way out, doesn't

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it. I do want to deny
that I have any assets hidden in Swiss

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banks. Okay, that's not anything. There was no reference to you.

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Mark don't want any congressional investigations of
me, that's for sure, right exactly.

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So in terms of this new evidence
that has been coming, of course,

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you know, you've been pulling on
strings of evidence, you know,

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for over fifteen years now as you
as you cite and you know, some

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I'm sure of taking you to rabbit
holes. Others have been quite provocative in

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starting to put this more and more
together. So we've got two minutes left.

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I'm going to let you kind of
summarize, you know, your recent

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findings. Where we are today on
you know, the sixtieth anniversary of the

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assassination of JFK. Well, what
I want to do too is let people

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know it's Mark Shawbooks, that's my
website, and I answer every single email

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that comes to me because I'm always
worried that I won't get something, for

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instance, not answering Morris Wolfe.
So it's m mshaw I am at Yahoo

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dot com. I think there's another
connection here with Marylyn Dorothy and JFK's death,

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and I think that's the death of
Robert F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty

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eight. I was going to ask
you about it. I'm not going to

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go in that today into that today
because we don't have time. But it

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has to do with motive, and
you might just think in your mind,

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who had the greatest motive to have
killed? Have Robert Kennedy killed? Well,

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just think about Carlos Marcelo for a
minute. I was going to say,

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well, then Robert Kennedy. Wasn't
that Robert Kennedy's first statement when they

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told him that his brother was he
goes, it's Carlos. It's Carlos Marcelo,

646
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a guy from New Orleans. Right
now, Marcelo knows that Robert Kennedy

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is running for president, and if
he becomes president, what's the first thing

648
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he's going to do. He's going
to come after me, Meek, Carlos

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Marcello. I haven't been able to
put the links together yet, but I'm

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going to work on it. And
maybe one of these days, you know,

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I'll come up with enough information we
can talk again. How about Well,

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always look forward to talking with you, Mark, You're always welcome on

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the show. Again. Remind everybody
of the website so they can get their

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hands on your book. And as
you say, this opportunity what we've shared

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with them hopefully motivates them to,
you know, do a deeper dive,

656
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find out for yourself, own your
own knowledge, as we're fond of saying

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here on this show. So again, the website, they can go to

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markshaw dot com and then the email
mshaw I in at Yahoo and find it

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for justice. I think the way
it's written in Morriswelf's photograph and everything is

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in there, I think that will
really shock you because there's even a little

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bit more than I was able to
talk about today. Yes, exactly.

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Well, Mark Shaw, again,
thank you so much for the time.

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We appreciate it. God's me and
my friend take care too. You're a

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good man, Bill. Thank you. Mark Shaw has been our guest whole

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powerful information here and the discussions and
of course all the conspiracy theory is interesting.

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You know, the conspiracy series,
they all start out as a conspiracy

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until they become true. But sooner
or later, I'm with you. I

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hope that we will discover the whole
truth and nothing but because you know,

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for me, in my lifetime,
this was one of the biggest lies that

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I believe that we've had to tolerate
and live with. And it's no wonder

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that it has been the basis of
continual lies brought to you by the deep

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State and by the government that we
supposedly, we the people are supposedly in

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charge of. Again, our thanks
to Mark Shaw and our thanks to you

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for joining us today. For more
information on the show. To be a

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part of this mighty movement to return
to God, check it out Bill Martinez

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Show dot com. May God bless
you and keep you and make His face

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shine upon you. May He be
gracious unto you and give you peace.

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Thank you so much for being with
us. God bless Prett