Judicial Watch’s 2023 Year in Review

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FOURCY Radio. Well, hello and
welcome. I'm Bill Martinez and this is

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the Bill Martinez Show and we are
live. Good to have you with us.

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If you have followed our radio show
over the years, A recurring voice

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and reporter comes on the show.
Actually he's a researcher. I shouldn't you

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know, lower his significance because he
is of high and significance to say the

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least. I'm talking about Chris Berrel, the director of Investigations and Research for

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Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch has had
a rich history from its very beginning and

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has been committed to holding our government
accountable and to be the watchdog of corruption.

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You may think, well, what
happened to the mainstream media. Isn't

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that their job? Well, yeah, it should be, but certainly it

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is not. And more and more, Judicial Watch has stepped up on our

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behalf, on behalf of the American
people to hold our government accountable and to

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point out corruption as they see it. They are the referees and the umpires,

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so to speak, and they fill
a needed void in the whole governmental

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process. And Chris Ferrel, the
director of Investigations and Research which Judicial Watch,

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is with us and he joins us
now, Chris, welcome to the

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show. Phil, it's great to
be with you. Thank you so much

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for having me on. Well,
I'm looking forward to this because I thought

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it would be appropriate our audience radio
as well as television to review and kind

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of review the hits of judicial Watch
and all the great things that you've done

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in this past year, you know, from Ashley Babbitt, the Biden document,

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secret suing, the FBI Hunter Biden, the gun update, and the

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list goes on and on. These
are things that Judicial Watch has been monitoring.

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But I thought before we'd start,
is you remind our audience about the

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rich history of Judicial Watch and why
you're here. So, first of all,

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thank you for the very kind of
introduction. Judicial Watch has been around

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for about twenty seven years, and
I've been with them for twenty five of

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those last years while serving as a
director of Investigations and Research and also as

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a board member. And most folks
will identify Tom Fitten our president because they'll

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see him on various broadcasts or radio
shows, much like I'm doing now with

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you, and tell them, of
course, as our resident and our chief

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spokesperson. And that's what folks identify
with their remember Tom. But the third

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member of our crew is Paul Orfanides, who is our chief attorney. He

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is a brilliant attorney. He is
arguing in front of the Supreme Court,

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and he oversees all of our litigation, all of our lawsuits. Jenishal Watch

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is a little different because we just
don't talk about public policy issues. We

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take action. We sue people,
we sue the government, and that's kind

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of the margin of difference. There's
a lot of people in DC who have

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conferences and they publish papers and all
that's good. I'm not knocking that we

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do the same thing. But we
have investigators who go out and investigate.

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We find people, we recover records
from archives. We use the Freedom of

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Information Act very aggressively, and then
of course we put that all together with

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litigation, and so we try to
be a watchdog to really educate the public

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what the government is or is not
doing right, to hold them accountable.

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You might say watchdog with teeth right
exactly exactly, not just not just pointing

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and shouting, but we try to
take a chuck out of them when we

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can as well. Well. Last
year, I mean we've when we've had

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you on the show, we talked
about Foyer request. You mentioned it right

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now, and this is a great
instrument and Judicial Watch has used this extensively.

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How many Boyer requests did you put
out last year? So I can't

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give you a number for last year, but I can tell you that overall

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in our database right now under active
management, there are more than seven thousand,

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wow. And of that seven thousand
this year in litigation, we have

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somewhere between two hundred and forty and
two hundred and eighty cases that we're suing

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over. So that's to give you
an idea of scope on that. Just

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to understand what that means. At
Syracuse University, there's something called the Transactional

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Research Accountability Center or something. What
they do is that that group at Syracuse

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they look at all the people that
are using the open records laws and they

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compile stats. And Judicial Watch is
the largest Freedom of Information Act request and

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the largest litigator in the country.
And then the next three organizations behind us

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combined don't equal our workload. Wow, so we are dominant in the field.

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No one does more open records law
requests or lawsuits than Judicial Watch does.

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Chris, I think our audience may
be surprised. They've heard of Foyer

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requests, you know, from time
to time. But you know they think,

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well, gosh, you know,
our government, we the people,

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it's our government. Why is our
government so reticent and making these records available?

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Because they should be part of the
public record, should they not.

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Yeah? The problem is that what
they end up being is evidence, right,

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I mean the rule of thumb or
what I would teach. I taught

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a tought of journalism law class at
George Mason University for five years and one

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of the things I tried to explain
to the students there is that generally speaking,

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people lie and records don't. So
you'll get Karine Jean Pierre, you

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know, standing there in the White
House briefing room saying, Lord knows what,

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and if you rely on that,
you're in trouble. But when I

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can give you five hundred pages of
you know, bank statements and emails and

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those sorts of things, that's a
much more reliable, much more compelling bit

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of evidence than something some spokesperson you
know, is out there flapping around in

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the breeze. Yeah, no question, I guess in legal parlance. And

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you know better, Chris, that
you know the written document is always stronger

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than anything that's anecdotal, right,
right, exactly. And the beauty of

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the work that we're doing is you
could even be philosophically opposite us. You

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could be some lefty socialists, you
know, woke a gender person. And

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if I can present you with a
record or a document and say here,

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read this for yourself, now,
you tell me what it means, right,

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the tendency to blow up a lot
of the rhetorically charged arguments of people

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about who's done what to who.
I forget all the hyperbolic language and the

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opinion stuff. Here's the record.
This is the documentation. You read it,

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now, explain right, when we
have an email from Joe Biden produced

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to us from the National Archives where
he's using a pseudonym, and they come

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out of the Vice President's records at
the Archives, and it shows him lining

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up a phone call with poor Roshenko
and his son Hunter is ces Seed in

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the email. You tell me about
what Joe Biden does or doesn't know about

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Kan and Ukraine and Poorshenko and Parisma. I mean, it becomes impossible to

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get away from. Of course,
I guess as a general rule, it's

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humanoids. It's tough to deal with
accountability. And it seems at a governmental

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level, at the bureaucracy level especially, there's so much interference and there's been

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such a history of escapism and lack
of accountability that they know the deal.

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I mean, it reminds me Chris
when I was talking with Denish Desuza,

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and he said that one of his
big takeaways after his stint in jail I

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think for seven eight months for election
interference or something that he was involved with,

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right, so he's sins built.
The big takeaway for me was that

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the cons never give up the con
and and and I said, well you

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might as well just say the politicians
never give up. Yeah, I mean,

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it is their stock in trade,
it's their business they have, They've

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honed their trade craft to a very
fine sharp edge, and if they abandon

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it, well, then what are
they going to do? I mean,

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this is leveraging their government position for
either some kind of power or to line

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their pockets with cash. Is what
they do for a living. And you

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can't take that away because then they'd
have to go out and you know,

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actually you're going to live a real
job. Uh, that's exactly right.

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Yeah. And the thing is is
that you know you don't expect. I

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mean, this is what cracks me
up sometimes in watching these hearings in Congress

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is like they you know, they
asked these questions like as if the person's

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going to roll over and go,
yeah, you got me. I mean,

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you know, I had I had
kind of Wrisman Comber on my podcast

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a few weeks back, and he
was all excited because you know, we

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had that check where Biden's brother was
supposedly repaying a loan. And I said,

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look, do me a favorably.
I'm old enough to remember the Watergate

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hearings. And Sam Irvin would sit
up there and make an opening remark and

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then he'd shut up, and they
had investigative counsel, they had attorneys on

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the staff would do all the questioning
and the congressman just sat there like jurors

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and listened to it. And so
the investigative counsel could work through a logical

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line of questioning and develop the testimony
from the witness to get to a point.

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And at the very very end,
if the congressman had a question here

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or there, then they would chime
in, now that I'll run it that

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way. Now, all the hearings, they're all grand standing, right,

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They all went there a little five
to eight second audio clip or video clip

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where they sound like they're a genius
or they get one over on the witness,

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and they use it for fundraising.
Frankly, I mean that's exactly exacting.

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And Staph has written the questions for
them because you know it didn't come

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from them, because as they're reading
off the sheet, you know the difference

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if if somebody is familiar with the
topic, it just flows. If they're

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not, you know, it gets
it gets halting, and you're right,

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But the problem is when they do
this, you know, five minutes from

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one member, five minutes from the
other back and forth. You never get

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anywhere, and the witness can sit
there and ropid, doope and play stupid

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games. You will remember, I
think quite painfully that Trey Goudi interviewed Hillary

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Clinton for eleven hours and didn't lay
a glove on her. H and the

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process says she looked like a martyr. She was the great victim. I

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subjected myself to eleven hours from trade
Goudi and blah blah blah. I mean,

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she still went down the tubes.
This was over beg Ghazi Mary right.

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But that's part of the problem is
that these guys sit there and they

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go back and forth and they never
get anything accomplished. So I made comber

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as if will you promise me that
you'll use an investigative council. Oh no,

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I can't do that. I said, well, good luck. You're

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gonna go round and around the circles
like every other committee. Does you really

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need to change the process that you're
using, go back to a Watergate style,

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not prosecution, but hearings, hearings, they would go a lot further.

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Well, you look at the Democrats
when the Democrats, when they get

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their five minutes, for the most
part, they're pretty much on point.

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You know, occasionally you'll get the
pontificators in that, but they're still committed

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to a line of questioning or just
you know, buttressing out the individual,

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uh, you know, to kind
of give them some relief of pain.

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Yeah, they don't synchronize their questions
with each other. Republicans are too stupid

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to do that. They're kind of
all over the place. And it's my

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it's my five minutes and I've been
every minute, been going well, but

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what is it accomplished on behalf of
the American people and the time invested here?

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Because at the end of the day, like you said, the American

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people are watching this and they go, Okay, what was all that about?

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And that's why nation they get discouraged
by that, right, It's very

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disheartening and very frustrating. That's what
turns people off. If they actually synchronized

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their work and did something effective,
the American public would would understand and they

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would proactively engage on this. Instead, they just look at them and say,

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oh, there are a bunch of
clowns, right, and it makes

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you really corrosive in the long term. It's very bad. Well, and

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it seems like it's a Cabalt because
it's like, well, kay, like

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everybody's involved in this game except the
American people who have to suffer through it.

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We're talking with Chris Ferrell, the
director of Investigations and Research for Judicial

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Watch. We're reviewing twenty twenty three. A good year it was for the

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American people in terms of exposing and
bringing light to government corruption. Chris,

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what we've been able to see in
this past year especially, is that the

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corruption is there, it runs deep, and it is going to take some

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serious leadership if they are really targeted
on cleaning this mess up, and it

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could take us a number of years. I don't think it could be done

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with one administration. I mean this
has to be all hands on deck,

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where even the American voter decides,
regardless of all the cheating or suspected cheating

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or anything that would go on in
election process, to say, Okay,

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we're going to elect officials with a
backbone and with nerve that are not concerned

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about getting re elected but are most
concerned about the constitution and getting our country

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back on track. Is that fair? I agree with you one hundred percent.

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And you know, sadly, there's
a lot of sort of professional politicians

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where job one is getting elected,
job two is getting re elected, and

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then there's other stuff that they worry
about, and that's is a real disservice

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there, I think one of the
most important things. And this is one

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of the topics that kind of recurs, you know, in giving you sort

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of a list of things that were
big this year, it actually is featured

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probably three or four times. But
we've had major, major victories in cleaning

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up voting roles around they and so
whether it's say California, Los Angeles County

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alone, Los Angeles County alone,
we removed one point five million, exactly

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big voter registrations in District of Columbia
just in the last week. This one

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cracks me up. We forced the
removal of fifteen percent of the voting roles

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for the Washington d C. The
District of Columbia had. We forced them

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to remove one hundred and three thousand
fake voter. When I say fake voter

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registration is what I mean is the
person doesn't live there, they moved away.

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There are felon and they're not eligible
to vote. The information is inaccurate.

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What folks don't understand is that voter
the electoral official wherever you live,

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and that really goes county by county, but some counties have a board of

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Elections, some have an election supervisor. However, you're organized in whatever state

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you're in. The senior election official
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the Voting Rights Back of nineteen eighty
six. Section seven says, go out

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and register everybody that's eligible. That's
a good thing if you're eligible, great,

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But Section eight says that the election
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sure that the voting roles are accurate, which means they have to go in

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and check them. So if somebody
moved, if somebody died, if somebody's

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a fellon, if somebody there's all
sorts of reasons why you have to go

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through and make sure that what you
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places blow that off entirely and they
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their voting roles. So we've gone
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between the census data and then the
voting roles, and we line them up,

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and there's places where they have,
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percent registration. Does it? I
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getting in and doing mischief, right
creating problems, and so we warned these

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officials, so we say, look, if you don't clean it up,

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we're going to sue you. Sometimes
they act on it right away. Sometimes

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they wait for us to sue them, and then they go whoopsie and they

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go in and fix it. In
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million people where the voting rolls weren't
accurate. They were just wrong. And

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so that's our effort to make sure
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voting roles clean, if they're accurate, then you're less likely to have mischief

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and gamesmanship and other irregularities. Is
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the f word fraud because that has
a very specific legal meaning and the left

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will jump up and down and scream
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want to call it it's an irregularity. But we've had multiple victories in states

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across the country to clean up voter
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think you and I talked about this
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is that being in marketing most of
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direct marketing used to do that early
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we discovered twenty twenty five percent of
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you've got twenty twenty five percent attrition
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that's how this stuff keeps mounting up. And I think that, you know,

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it's appropriate for Judicial Watch, it's
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of America that is demanding a free
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that we sue. We sue these
stats. I mean, look, look

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what Mark Elias did, you know
during COVID as you know, he and

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his five hundred Democratic operative lawyers is
legal eagles. They went in there and

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scared the holy what have you out
of these various states, and you know,

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caused them to even break their own
state laws. I mean, it's

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amazing how their level of intimidation,
what they were able to accomplish in what

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in a month's time. And here
we are, we've been having this discussion

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about voter rolls, you know,
ever since you know, twenty twenty came

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to light it's kind of been an
ongoing deal, but twenty twenty definitely brought

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it more to light where people are
saying, all right, enough with this

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already, let's get this thing fixed. Yeah, and the wild inconsistencies from

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state to state. So in California, I Gavin Newsom sending out mail in

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ballots, not ballots that were requested
by people, just him on his own

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volition, sending out mail in ballots
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You want to talk about an opportunity
for fraud, Well you can go into

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an apartment building and scoop up fifty
men in ballots and fill them all out

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and send them in exactly zero accountability, no idea who sent them in.

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How do you know that what they
the person is matched up with the with

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the belt that's received. It was
all make believe they could just do whatever

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they wanted, right. And the
thing is, Christie, Republicans have written

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off California. It's been corrupt for
so long and you've had all these I

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think at one point, what was
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just in La, but I thought
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three million names on the voter rule. I think you were able to negotiate

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and get fifty percent off, but
there's still you know, another one and

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a half million names that should be
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fashion, holding to the Cohn you
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of the way and look at it. And it's up to the citizens of

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California. I mean they themselves have
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we need to clean up the state
and what you've been getting away with

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in terms of these you know,
ballot harvesting. You know, they were

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the pioneers of that and did it
before it was it was legal. So

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in addition to that, Chris,
a lot of people don't know is Gavin

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Newsom authorized the release of a driver's
license to illegal immigrants. Well, when

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they send out ballots, they send
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So you have people who are illegals
receiving ballots. And I know this for

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a fact is the Democrats will go
because they know where the ballots were sent,

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and they go knocking on the doors
and they say, hey, we're

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here to get your ballot, and
they'll talk to an illegal and the illegal

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will say, but I'm not I'm
not a citizen. I'm not allowed to

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vote. Well, they sent you
a ballot, didn't They don't worry,

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we'll take care of it. Just
give me the ballot. No, it's

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exactly correct. And you know that
kind of nonsense or there's this this phony,

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disingenuous claim. I experienced this in
Arizona and twenty eighteen. The voting

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registrar says, well, you know, we lined up our voting roles.

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We bounced it off the DMV,
and they didn't say anything. I mean,

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the DMV was giving out licenses to
everybody who could, you know,

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walk and talk. I mean,
it's no check whatsoever, in fact that

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it's a counter check. It's actually
providing false information to bounce it. But

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that was offered to some sort of
an explanation that says, well, you

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know the roles, we bounced it
off d MV, so we know you

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don't know anything bouncing off DMV.
This goes back to al Gore in the

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dark ages of motor voter when he
was still a freenator from Tennessee. Somehow

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people forget all this stuff. But
I mean, well, you see this

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is the thing. You see,
our government's so massive Chris, and we've

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gotten away and we've added complexity to
it when we haven't even got the essentials

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underway. I mean I have always
I've always been one to vote for you

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know, I have a one day, a national one day of voting.

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Everybody is also I'm sorry the Constitution
says it's an election day. Yes,

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have election week, election season,
or a month day period. And that's

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that's another part of the problem,
because you've got crazy judges saying, well,

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we have to allow for the mails
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bad weather and a crazy excuses for
stretching it out. And basically it's look

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what number do I have to get
to to win? And now I'm going

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to keep counting until I get there. I mean that that's the corruption of

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it. Let me let me use
their their logic, Chris, because so

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often when you go in you say, hey, I got a problem with

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the count here, and they said, well, you know, we ran

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the broad numbers and even if you're
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difference. Right. Yeah, that's
that's the worst. That's the argument that

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they use, right Okay, Well
that's the lie. Yeah, okay.

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So then in the case of their
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slow, or you know, whatever
other excuse they want to use. What

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what is that number? Would that
number affect the final toll for the sake

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of having a free and fair election. Yeah, I mean, you know

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what I'm saying. I know exactly
what you're saying. I know exactly what

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you're saying. The answer, my
friend, is what was done in Florida

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where they figured out how to how
to have an election on one day.

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Right. The answer is also in
Virginia, a little different approach, but

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essentially, you know by midnight by
two am. You know, they close

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the polls at seven or eight whatever
the local time is, and you give

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them four or five hours to get
everything bundled together accounted, and you know,

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late at night or early next morning, Bang, you've got an answer.

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No one's deafing, No one's saying, well, you know, we

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expect you know, it's going to
be contested and we'll be in court for

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the next three days and blah blah
blah blah, re none of that garbage.

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You get a real answer by late
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morning. And that's what we have. We have to have that we can't

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go on with this crazy election season
that we're doing exactly Rayman to tell me

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that we shouldn't be having uh election
counting interrupted for three hours? Uh uh

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you know in in swing states.
I mean it wasn't just in one state.

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It was like in five states.
This was an orchestration. But you

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know, there's nothing here to see. Move on, obi wan kenobi Uh.

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You know we got this covered and
and nobody is supposed to have their

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suspicions uh or become a conspiratus and
that that is the problem. And you

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know we've seen I guess in Detroit
they were putting up plywood over the glass

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so people couldn't see what was going
on in the room. People were threatened.

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In fact, if we go way
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forget which exact year it was,
phybe is two thousand and eight. You

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remember in Philadelphia they had the black
Panthers panthers during Obama's an apparent. Here

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you had a greeting committee of guys
in paramilitary guard holding batons and they were

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welcoming you to the polling station.
They of that this is an interesting story.

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The guy who heads up our election
program at Judicial Watch is a very

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fine attorney by the name of Bob
Popper, and Bob Popper was the deputy

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chief of the Voting Rights Section in
the Justice Department. And that Philadelphia Black

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Panther case was is wow. He
had taken it all the way down the

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field ninety nine yards. He was
on the one inch line about to get

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a judgment against that group of black
panthers where they were going to essentially admit,

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yeah, what we did was wrong, and you know, forever swearing

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that they would never do that again. And the Obama administration made him drop

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the case. Yeah, Eric Holder, Yeah exactly. And when that happened,

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Bob said thank you, goodbye,
and he left the Department of Justice,

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and he came over to Judicial Watch. Yeah. How corrupt. How

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corrupt is that? And I don't
care if I got an mission from him.

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We saw him, We saw what
they were doing. It was clear

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intimidation, I mean, and they
were holding they were holding these these batons

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in their hand and slapping it into
their hands, which could be quite intimidating,

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I think for some of the older
folks. Right, that's an unusual

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greeting, right exactly. And then
also the thing that was that added to

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the suspicion. I think it was
in Pennsylvania. There was something like fifty

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eight voting districts. Chris, I
don't know if you remember this or not,

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but all fifty eight one hundred percent
voted for Obama. Yes, yeah,

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one hundred percent. That's that's that
is mathematically impossible. That's like the

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Wisconsin nursing homes for the dementia and
and yes, in Alzheimer's patients, and

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all of them one hundred percent voted
for Biden. Yes, maybe because they

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identified with them. I'm not sure, but it's us to come up with

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voting statistics where And I feel sorry
for these people obviously, I mean I'm

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I'm not making fun of them,
not by a long shot. Well,

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very sympathetic to them. In their
family. It's elder in the least,

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that's for sure. Yeah. But
the idea that somehow the folks in these

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nursing homes or these assisted living facilities, somehow one hundred percent, every single

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one of them, and you formally, I mean, it wasn't like this

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happened in three places. This was
entire blocks of people in these uh,

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in these medical facilities. Oh,
every single one voter for Biden it's preposterous.

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And you talk to the family members, Chris, and they say,

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my mom is only lucid for we're
lucky if she's a minute a day of

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ruscinity, how you know. And
so this was kind of a typical response

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in terms of the clarity, uh
of these poor folks in these uh,

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in these assisted living facilities and how
they were taking advantage of I mean,

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we could be talking about this till
till next year easily, Chris. But

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it's at some point, uh,
you know, there's got to be a

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line drawn here to say we're not
going to have this anymore. And if

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there needs to be a class action
suit against all these state houses, all

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these uh, you know, elector
officials to hold them into account, then

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we have to do something with some
rapidity because the twenty twenty four election is

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just around the corner. And if
you think, if you think, in

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some sort of measure of your understanding, that the Democrat the Democrats are not

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going to cheat again, I mean, it makes me sad to think that

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you're talking about a party, You're
talking about fellow citizens in our country who

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flat out our cheating and giving us
the government that we have now as Barack

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Obama said, elections have consequences.
We'll look at the consequences that we have.

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Because Joe Biden somehow got eighty two
million votes, Donald Trump gets ten

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million more than he had the previous
year. Again, the math doesn't add

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up. There were so many anomalies
in this election, and for the courts

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to ignore this or not want to
entertain it, it gives you suspicion about

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the whole, entire entirety of the
government. Chris, that is, everybody

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in the government this corrupt, would
allow this kind of stuff to occur.

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The shoot answers, Yes, I
mean, I hate to say that,

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but it's true. For an awful
lot of people. This isn't about a

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free and fair election, but it's
really about is power, power and control.

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know, that is pure Bolshevik communism. This is anything, I mean that

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literally, anything to accumulate, acquire, consolidate power. And they they really

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don't give a damn. They will
run over their mother in a truck to

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get what they want. And they
feel incredibly, you know, justified,

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very righteous about what they're doing because
they know this is in their thinking.

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They're mine they know best. And
you know, it really is about power,

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and that's what's I mean. This
is part of the great struggle that

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we're in. This is the cultural
Marxism that we're wrestling with. Uh.

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This is the kind of thing,
you know, with the oppressed and the

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oppressor. You see this kind of
language in the reaction on college campuses to

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the brutality of October seventh, where
these Hamas terrorist animals, you know,

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brutalize Israelis in ways that are beyond
your imagination, and that gets translated into

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this Marxist dialectic on college campuses of
oppressed and oppressor, and you know that

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has become so ingrained. It has
nothing to do with our founding documents,

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It has nothing to do with the
Democratic Republic, it has nothing to do

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with our constitutional system. That is
pure Marxist ideology at work, and it

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is accepted and adopted as being thus
standard now. And you know, when

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you look at statistics and reporting on
people that think that socialism is great or

419
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we should it just wasn't done right. We can do it better, we

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00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.360
can tweak it. They somehow,
they somehow forget that both fascism and communism

421
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are opposite sides of the same coin, and that coin is socialism and all

422
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:42.159
that brings is oppression. But that's
that is the driving philosophy in the country

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right now. Yeah, after hundreds
and hundreds of years of this grand experiment

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of theirs, they always say we
need more money and more time. But

425
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after all this, you would think
if there was any merit to it,

426
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Chris, you'd be able to have
a highlight and be able to say,

427
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well, at least we got to
right here in no name, country of

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the world or whatever, you know
it really but nowhere, I mean because

429
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.719
even in our country we delved,
you know, the Pilgrims delved with that

430
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.199
idea and they figured it out within
a year, right, right, don't

431
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.840
work, you don't eat. It's
that simple. Yeah, it's fundamental,

432
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So we throw out the fundamentals.
But you know, getting back to what

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you were talking about, is that
you see America's heart and soul has been

434
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so compromised and corrupted and as a
people overall. I know that's a broadbrush,

435
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.480
Daman, but look at it.
Look at these kids, and look

436
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:42.639
at these presidents of these universities who
can't even answer a direct question because they

437
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.760
cannot seem to have the I mean, these are these are smart people,

438
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.000
These are you know, supposedly smart
people. But I think they've become so

439
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.840
open minded their brains have fallen out
to where they can't they can't even discern

440
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.679
Chris good from evil. Here you
have, like you said, the Atrosites

441
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.159
that took place on October the seventh, you had Jewish women raped and drug

442
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.119
naked in the streets of Gaza.
And I said the other day, I

443
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:14.079
said, did you notice any how
many Palestinians jumped out in the street and

444
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:20.079
stopped hamats from dragging these women create
these defenseless women in the street, not

445
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.199
one They were all cheering. So
that says about a lot about the Palestinians.

446
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.800
I'll tell you what, you know
what, I don't want them living

447
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.920
next to me. I don't want
them next to my kids. I'm sorry.

448
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.239
You know, there needs to be
some reform there and they need to

449
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.039
understand that their souls are brought to
the core when they approve of this kind

450
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.760
of horrific terror that took place.
And in these people that want to talk

451
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.920
about a two state solution, I've
never believed in it. You can't you

452
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.239
can't co coincide with, you know, somebody who wants to kill you.

453
00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.239
I don't know how you coexist with
somebody like that. Well, what's remarkable

454
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.960
is that even I mean the dirty
little secret is that the general now President

455
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.679
Alsisi in Egypt, he's not going
to open the southern gates of Gosins,

456
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:17.360
of course, and welcome and welcome
his co religionists into it, nor you

457
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.519
know, nor is the King of
Jordan going to do the same thing.

458
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.239
They ask yourself, why why why
is that? Because I mean ethnically,

459
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.639
religiously, culturally, you would think
that they would embrace their brothers and support

460
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.320
them. Wait, why doesn't that
happen? Right, Yeah, because they

461
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.079
know they're compromile. They know they're
they're bringing, you know, they're bringing

462
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:44.519
a bad element into the recipe,
right that they can't they can't control.

463
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:51.039
These These are rambunctious, out of
controlled terrorists that are taking their orders from

464
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.519
a Iran or they're taking it from
some reading of the Quran that they want

465
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:01.480
to interprets the Muslim brotherhood element,
you know, and Aron and so again.

466
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.679
The other little secret that no one
really wants to talk about out loud

467
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:12.599
is that the leaders of all of
the countries that are at least trying to

468
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:17.360
be part of the civilized world,
like people who are signatories to the Abraham

469
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:24.960
Accords. Yes, or you know, civilized neighbors of Israel, countries like

470
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.480
Jordan and Egypt. They're quietly cheering
on the Israelis. They want them to

471
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:37.639
wipe out hamas half a step less
than the Israelis because they view them as

472
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:44.719
a threat. They know they're dealing
with stavage lunatics, and you won't get

473
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.920
them on CNN making an announcement about
it, of course, But behind the

474
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.960
scenes, the leaders of those countries, they know exactly what they're dealing with

475
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.960
and they're not interested in importing that
into their country at all. Yeah,

476
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:04.320
exactly. But here we are in
March of this year, speaking of universities.

477
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.239
You reported on this early on.
Now people are catching up. Open

478
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:14.480
the books, did an extensive study
to reveal how much foreign money was coming

479
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:20.639
into the universities, and you revealed
back in March of this year how much

480
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.480
money was going to Texas A and
M from Cutter. Yeah. What had

481
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.400
happened was we had heard that a
lot of money was flowing into Texas A

482
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.840
and M from Cutter and we said, well, okay, I think that

483
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.199
the number ended up being like five
hundred million dollars. There's a huge amount

484
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.719
of money, right, And Texas
A and M is a public university,

485
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.440
so under the Texas open records laws, we said, well, you're a

486
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.960
public university and you're accepting money from
a foreign country. What are you doing

487
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.440
with it? Where does it go? What? You know, people don't

488
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.760
give you half a billion dollars,
you know for laughs, that's that's a

489
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.039
lot more than lunch money, right, right, that's a lot of money.

490
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.199
So what's the You can be a
gooder friend of the Biden unt with

491
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.599
a half billion dollars by the way, so what what is where's that money

492
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.000
going and what's the outcome? And
Texas A and M said, well,

493
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.400
that's our private donation. So well
you're a public university, you know.

494
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.440
And so we went around and around
on this, and Texas Attorney General got

495
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.599
involved and we had to sue and
but we were on the front end of

496
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.440
revealing and it ended up that the
amount came out of five hundred million dollars.

497
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.280
But we ended up getting on the
front end of a lot of reporting

498
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:40.880
subsequent reporting of foreign donations to US
universities. So when you see these nineteen

499
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.199
year olds with you know, they
don't have brains, they have yogurt in

500
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.760
their heads, and they're marching around
screaming, you know, from the river

501
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:55.079
to the sea and talking about rights
and you know, gay and lesbian supporters

502
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.639
of Hamas and all this other insanity. Yeah, gays for Hamas. How

503
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.239
I mean you read you see that
and you think that's got to come from

504
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.480
the Babylon b They're not serious,
I know, but unfortunately it's true.

505
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.079
And so but when you see this
and you say, well, gee,

506
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.960
how did that happen? Now you
know why exactly? When when Katar shows

507
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:22.960
up and gives them half a billion
dollars, It influences policy, It influences

508
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:28.920
personnel decisions, it influences curriculum,
and so yeah, and these professors,

509
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.719
these professors that are hired on and
and then you know, and you talked

510
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.400
about importing, importing hatred. We've
been saying this on the show as well,

511
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.159
Chris, is that America has been
importing hatred from the Middle East.

512
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.880
We got kids coming in here.
You have no idea, there's no vetting

513
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.599
of them. They don't realize was
it somebody was exposing in the other day

514
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:53.400
UNRA their educational books on how they
teach the young kids. I mean they're

515
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.679
teaching these books are in Jerusalem,
Okay, they are throughout the Middle East,

516
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:07.599
and they're teaching Jewish hatred and I
mean, yeah, exactly, yeah.

517
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:13.880
And look, you know we report, we sew and so in this

518
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:20.760
case, we've been extraordinarily stupid and
we've given student visas out to people who

519
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:25.000
very often lie in their visa application. Uh. And you know, one

520
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.840
way to get the attention of some
of these universities is the ones who have

521
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.280
had the most protests, the ones
where people have been threatened. You know,

522
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.320
there's instant instances where Jurish students have
had to lock themselves in rooms or

523
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.000
yah, where they said I'm out
of here, I'm going home. They're

524
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.320
not even staying at the university where
that's happened. You just suspend all federal

525
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.880
dollars going to that school for two
or three years and watch what happens.

526
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.440
Exactly, turn off the money,
not for ever, not just penalize them.

527
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.719
Say look, I need to get
your attention. All the X number

528
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:13.159
of billion dollars are getting you're not
so straighten up? And then we'll reevaluate

529
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.840
you in two or three years and
we'll see if if you've come to your

530
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.599
senses or not, and then maybe
we'll turn the money back on. That's

531
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.960
the only thing they understand. That's
otherwise you're going to see the lying that

532
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.840
you saw by these three phony college
presidents in front of Congress. I said,

533
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.400
yeah, Stefanic in New York did
a job on them last week.

534
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.119
But when you turn the money off, all of a sudden they snap too,

535
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.679
and they pay attention exactly. Well, money is what brought him to

536
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.360
this point, and you take the
money away, and you'll get him to

537
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.079
the other point, right, you
know, just to your point. Another

538
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.760
thing that Judicial Watch covered last year
was what happened at the Air Force Academy.

539
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.280
They're focus on anti American critical race, theary training of cadets. Yeah,

540
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.960
more cultural Marxism at work. So
I mean for folks that don't no

541
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.280
way back just in the post World
War One era, there was a school

542
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:15.360
of thought un There's the Frankfurt School, and they specialized in something called critical

543
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:22.320
theory. In essence, it was
an effort to deconstruct all the major building

544
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.599
blocks of Western civilization. They were
going to take apart everything that you and

545
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.719
I believe in. That's their goal. School in Frankfurt, Germany ended up

546
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.480
decamping, moving off to Columbia University
in New York. Some of the people

547
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.239
split off and created the New School
in New York. But they were leaving

548
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.119
Germany in nineteen thirties because the fascist
Hitler's people didn't have any sense of humor

549
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.119
about what they were proposing, because
it was Marxist Marxist philosophy. So this

550
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.840
Marxist philosophy over time has become incredibly
influential in all of our universities. It's

551
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:06.559
contaminated everything in sight and the way
it manifests itself most most recently, is

552
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.760
in this insanity known as critical race
theory, where you go around and you

553
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:16.519
say, oh, Farrell, you're
a euro A white guy, blue eyed

554
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:23.760
devil, western European male. You're
intrinsically evil. Everything about me is bad

555
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:30.079
because I'm an old white guy and
I represent everything that is you know,

556
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:37.960
archaic and hateful and everything else.
It's institutional racism. But in reverse,

557
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.679
they're teaching this at the academies.
Worth Academy in particularly, we looked at

558
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:49.360
but frankly it's present at all of
military academies exactly, and that's really it's

559
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.079
very dangerous. Yeah, how's that
compromising the leadership. It's horrific, is

560
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.679
what it's doing. It creates division. You know, I used to be

561
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.960
an army officer a million years ago
and we were all green. Right.

562
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:07.440
It was merit based. Yes,
you got promoted. If you were more

563
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.320
on you didn't get promoted. And
so it didn't matter what color you were,

564
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.920
where you came from Richford, North
South, it was irrelevant. It's

565
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.480
did you get the job done,
yes or exactly. That's what drove That's

566
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.199
what drove the entire system. Uh. We got a couple of minutes left.

567
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.480
I want to touch on on this. Then I'm gonna let you kind

568
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:31.199
of summarize because you guys have done
just such outstanding work and in so many

569
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:37.559
areas and all the information they can
research for themselves. Again, you don't

570
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.159
have to take our word for it. Like we always say, Chris,

571
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.320
is that you must own your own
knowledge. Hopefully, what we've done is

572
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.400
motivated people to do a deeper dive
and and find out for themselves. I

573
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.440
mean, uh, let's have a
little bit more depth and uh, you

574
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.280
know, the thickness of a bumper
sticker. Let's understand what's going on here.

575
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:59.719
Uh, I wanted to address uh, you know again, we just

576
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.920
got to jobs report, and I
think what's indicative is that we saw the

577
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:09.119
numbers were reflecting government related associations.
There was some relief, you know after

578
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.239
sack. That's a union deal,
of course, the auto workers union.

579
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:19.239
But the jobs that are being created
since COVID have been coming more out of

580
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.760
the government than, you know,
than the private sector. And you got

581
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:29.840
a situation here that you reported earlier
this year on John Kerry's office. I

582
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.119
had no idea employing forty five people, John Kerry, give me a break,

583
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.719
right, Yeah, you can imagine
the carbon footprint, right, that's

584
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.920
all. Yeah. Yeah, Well, well they're they're they're I don't know,

585
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.960
they're getting their carbon credits at the
same place which they they found out

586
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.519
at COP twenty eight. Was reported
that, you know, they find out

587
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.199
all these people that were, you
know, in charge of qualifying all these

588
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:59.719
carbon credits there like that they were
all you know, phony, most of

589
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.599
them. Yeah, the whole carbon
thing and the carry it's a racket,

590
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.679
it's phony, it's a lie,
it's manipulation. It's horrific. The only

591
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:21.760
thing crazier than that is San Francisco
giving special bonuses free money to Hispanic transgenders.

592
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.960
They get twelve hundred dollars a month
for eighteen months. That's another crazy

593
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.800
Jewish Watch story. We uncovered in
fact that the acronym is gift. It's

594
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.360
like, I forget the full acronym
of the program, but they were paying

595
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:42.320
out money to Latino and black transgenders. They need special free money and they

596
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.719
get paid it every month, twelve
hundred dollars for eighteen months, for eight

597
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:51.719
eight Well, there's another crazy but
true story. It's like John Kerry,

598
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.360
he wants to turn off all the
coal fire plants in the world. I

599
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.880
mean, these people, they're out
of their minds, they really are.

600
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.679
Well, you know, it is
amazing that what has happened UH to the

601
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.559
world, and there are some countries
that are figuring it out and they're able

602
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.840
to move a little bit faster.
But we've got so much money invested in,

603
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:19.079
so much craziness invested in this country
over you know this UH over over

604
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.360
this climate you know, UH doctrine
and theology in a sense, because it

605
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.559
is that's that's basically what It boils
down to it's let's exchange, let's exchange

606
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.840
your god for our God. Right, you are exactly right. It is

607
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:40.360
a twisted theology of sorts where people
have have invented pseudoscience that you know is

608
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.639
it's their religion. You know,
exactly well, Chris, we've got to

609
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.079
wrap things up again. Cannot thank
you enough for coming on. Remind people,

610
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.440
I mean, uh, judicial Watch, you do this on your own,

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I mean donations. People are supporting
and donating to the cause. How

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can they be on the team to
support the great work of Judicial Watch.

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The best thing to do to look
at all of our work is to go

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to judicial Watch altogether. One word
judicialwatch dot org org. Okay, well

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check it out. Chris Ferrell,
thank you again. I appreciate your time

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and thank you for coming on the
show. You take care of Merry Christmas

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to you, Merry Christmas to you, Bill. Chris Ferrell, the director

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of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch, just so appreciate his time and his

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intellect and what he brings to support
the cause for the American people and our

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constitutional rights. Thank you so much
to Chris. Thank you for being a

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part of the show and joining in
and adding to the solution, and not

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adding to the problem. May God
bless you and keep you. May make

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his face shine upon you. May
He be gracious unto you and give you

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his peace. Thank you so much
for being with us. Take care,

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God bless the pub.