Judicial Watch’s 2023 Year in Review

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0:44 If you have followed our radio show over the years, A recurring voice and reporter comes on the show. Actually he's a researcher. I shouldn't you know, lower his significance because he is of high and significance to say the least. I'm talking about Chris Berrel, the director of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch has had a rich history from its very beginning and has been committed to holding our government accountable and to be the watchdog of corruption. You may think, well, what happened to the mainstream media. Isn't that their job? Well, yeah, it should be, but certainly it is not. And more and more, Judicial Watch has stepped up on our behalf, on behalf of the American people to hold our government accountable and to point out corruption as they see it. They are the referees and the umpires, so to speak, and they fill a needed void in the whole governmental process. And Chris Ferrel, the director of Investigations and Research which Judicial Watch, is with us and he joins us now, Chris, welcome to the show. Phil, it's great to be with you. Thank you so much for having me on. Well, I'm looking forward to this because I thought it would be appropriate our audience radio as well as television to review and kind of review the hits of judicial Watch and all the great things that you've done in this past year, you know, from Ashley Babbitt, the Biden document,

2:14 secret suing, the FBI Hunter Biden, the gun update, and the list goes on and on. These are things that Judicial Watch has been monitoring. But I thought before we'd start, is you remind our audience about the rich history of Judicial Watch and why you're here. So, first of all, thank you for the very kind of introduction. Judicial Watch has been around for about twenty seven years, and I've been with them for twenty five of those last years while serving as a director of Investigations and Research and also as a board member. And most folks will identify Tom Fitten our president because they'll see him on various broadcasts or radio shows, much like I'm doing now with you, and tell them, of course, as our resident and our chief spokesperson. And that's what folks identify with their remember Tom. But the third member of our crew is Paul Orfanides, who is our chief attorney. He is a brilliant attorney. He is arguing in front of the Supreme Court, and he oversees all of our litigation, all of our lawsuits. Jenishal Watch is a little different because we just don't talk about public policy issues. We take action. We sue people, we sue the government, and that's kind of the margin of difference. There's a lot of people in DC who have conferences and they publish papers and all that's good. I'm not knocking that we do the same thing. But we have investigators who go out and investigate.

3:39 We find people, we recover records from archives. We use the Freedom of Information Act very aggressively, and then of course we put that all together with litigation, and so we try to be a watchdog to really educate the public what the government is or is not doing right, to hold them accountable. You might say watchdog with teeth right exactly exactly, not just not just pointing and shouting, but we try to take a chuck out of them when we can as well. Well. Last year, I mean we've when we've had you on the show, we talked about Foyer request. You mentioned it right now, and this is a great instrument and Judicial Watch has used this extensively.

4:25 How many Boyer requests did you put out last year? So I can't give you a number for last year, but I can tell you that overall in our database right now under active management, there are more than seven thousand, wow. And of that seven thousand this year in litigation, we have somewhere between two hundred and forty and two hundred and eighty cases that we're suing over. So that's to give you an idea of scope on that. Just to understand what that means. At Syracuse University, there's something called the Transactional Research Accountability Center or something. What they do is that that group at Syracuse they look at all the people that are using the open records laws and they compile stats. And Judicial Watch is the largest Freedom of Information Act request and the largest litigator in the country. And then the next three organizations behind us combined don't equal our workload. Wow, so we are dominant in the field.

5:32 No one does more open records law requests or lawsuits than Judicial Watch does. Chris, I think our audience may be surprised. They've heard of Foyer requests, you know, from time to time. But you know they think, well, gosh, you know, our government, we the people, it's our government. Why is our government so reticent and making these records available? Because they should be part of the public record, should they not. Yeah? The problem is that what they end up being is evidence, right, I mean the rule of thumb or what I would teach. I taught a tought of journalism law class at George Mason University for five years and one of the things I tried to explain to the students there is that generally speaking, people lie and records don't. So you'll get Karine Jean Pierre, you know, standing there in the White House briefing room saying, Lord knows what, and if you rely on that, you're in trouble. But when I can give you five hundred pages of you know, bank statements and emails and those sorts of things, that's a much more reliable, much more compelling bit of evidence than something some spokesperson you know, is out there flapping around in the breeze. Yeah, no question, I guess in legal parlance. And you know better, Chris, that you know the written document is always stronger

7:03 than anything that's anecdotal, right, right, exactly. And the beauty of the work that we're doing is you could even be philosophically opposite us. You could be some lefty socialists, you know, woke a gender person. And if I can present you with a record or a document and say here, read this for yourself, now, you tell me what it means, right, the tendency to blow up a lot of the rhetorically charged arguments of people about who's done what to who. I forget all the hyperbolic language and the opinion stuff. Here's the record. This is the documentation. You read it, now, explain right, when we have an email from Joe Biden produced to us from the National Archives where he's using a pseudonym, and they come out of the Vice President's records at the Archives, and it shows him lining up a phone call with poor Roshenko and his son Hunter is ces Seed in the email. You tell me about what Joe Biden does or doesn't know about Kan and Ukraine and Poorshenko and Parisma. I mean, it becomes impossible to get away from. Of course, I guess as a general rule, it's humanoids. It's tough to deal with accountability. And it seems at a governmental level, at the bureaucracy level especially, there's so much interference and there's been

8:37 such a history of escapism and lack of accountability that they know the deal. I mean, it reminds me Chris when I was talking with Denish Desuza, and he said that one of his big takeaways after his stint in jail I think for seven eight months for election interference or something that he was involved with, right, so he's sins built. The big takeaway for me was that the cons never give up the con and and and I said, well you might as well just say the politicians never give up. Yeah, I mean, it is their stock in trade, it's their business they have, They've honed their trade craft to a very fine sharp edge, and if they abandon it, well, then what are they going to do? I mean, this is leveraging their government position for either some kind of power or to line their pockets with cash. Is what they do for a living. And you can't take that away because then they'd have to go out and you know, actually you're going to live a real job. Uh, that's exactly right.

9:43 Yeah. And the thing is is that you know you don't expect. I mean, this is what cracks me up sometimes in watching these hearings in Congress is like they you know, they asked these questions like as if the person's going to roll over and go, yeah, you got me. I mean, you know, I had I had kind of Wrisman Comber on my podcast a few weeks back, and he was all excited because you know, we had that check where Biden's brother was supposedly repaying a loan. And I said, look, do me a favorably. I'm old enough to remember the Watergate hearings. And Sam Irvin would sit up there and make an opening remark and then he'd shut up, and they had investigative counsel, they had attorneys on the staff would do all the questioning and the congressman just sat there like jurors and listened to it. And so the investigative counsel could work through a logical line of questioning and develop the testimony from the witness to get to a point.

10:50 And at the very very end, if the congressman had a question here or there, then they would chime in, now that I'll run it that way. Now, all the hearings, they're all grand standing, right, They all went there a little five to eight second audio clip or video clip where they sound like they're a genius or they get one over on the witness, and they use it for fundraising. Frankly, I mean that's exactly exacting. And Staph has written the questions for them because you know it didn't come from them, because as they're reading off the sheet, you know the difference if if somebody is familiar with the topic, it just flows. If they're not, you know, it gets it gets halting, and you're right, But the problem is when they do this, you know, five minutes from one member, five minutes from the other back and forth. You never get anywhere, and the witness can sit there and ropid, doope and play stupid games. You will remember, I think quite painfully that Trey Goudi interviewed Hillary Clinton for eleven hours and didn't lay a glove on her. H and the process says she looked like a martyr. She was the great victim. I subjected myself to eleven hours from trade Goudi and blah blah blah. I mean, she still went down the tubes. This was over beg Ghazi Mary right.

12:13 But that's part of the problem is that these guys sit there and they go back and forth and they never get anything accomplished. So I made comber as if will you promise me that you'll use an investigative council. Oh no, I can't do that. I said, well, good luck. You're gonna go round and around the circles like every other committee. Does you really need to change the process that you're using, go back to a Watergate style, not prosecution, but hearings, hearings, they would go a lot further. Well, you look at the Democrats when the Democrats, when they get their five minutes, for the most part, they're pretty much on point. You know, occasionally you'll get the pontificators in that, but they're still committed to a line of questioning or just you know, buttressing out the individual, uh, you know, to kind of give them some relief of pain.

13:03 Yeah, they don't synchronize their questions with each other. Republicans are too stupid to do that. They're kind of all over the place. And it's my it's my five minutes and I've been every minute, been going well, but what is it accomplished on behalf of the American people and the time invested here? Because at the end of the day, like you said, the American people are watching this and they go, Okay, what was all that about? And that's why nation they get discouraged by that, right, It's very disheartening and very frustrating. That's what turns people off. If they actually synchronized their work and did something effective, the American public would would understand and they would proactively engage on this. Instead, they just look at them and say, oh, there are a bunch of clowns, right, and it makes you really corrosive in the long term. It's very bad. Well, and it seems like it's a Cabalt because it's like, well, kay, like everybody's involved in this game except the American people who have to suffer through it.

14:03 We're talking with Chris Ferrell, the director of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch. We're reviewing twenty twenty three. A good year it was for the American people in terms of exposing and bringing light to government corruption. Chris, what we've been able to see in this past year especially, is that the corruption is there, it runs deep, and it is going to take some serious leadership if they are really targeted on cleaning this mess up, and it could take us a number of years. I don't think it could be done with one administration. I mean this has to be all hands on deck, where even the American voter decides, regardless of all the cheating or suspected cheating or anything that would go on in election process, to say, Okay, we're going to elect officials with a backbone and with nerve that are not concerned about getting re elected but are most concerned about the constitution and getting our country back on track. Is that fair? I agree with you one hundred percent.

15:07 And you know, sadly, there's a lot of sort of professional politicians where job one is getting elected, job two is getting re elected, and then there's other stuff that they worry about, and that's is a real disservice there, I think one of the most important things. And this is one of the topics that kind of recurs, you know, in giving you sort of a list of things that were big this year, it actually is featured probably three or four times. But we've had major, major victories in cleaning up voting roles around they and so whether it's say California, Los Angeles County alone, Los Angeles County alone, we removed one point five million, exactly big voter registrations in District of Columbia just in the last week. This one cracks me up. We forced the removal of fifteen percent of the voting roles for the Washington d C. The District of Columbia had. We forced them to remove one hundred and three thousand fake voter. When I say fake voter registration is what I mean is the person doesn't live there, they moved away.

16:23 There are felon and they're not eligible to vote. The information is inaccurate. What folks don't understand is that voter the electoral official wherever you live, and that really goes county by county, but some counties have a board of Elections, some have an election supervisor. However, you're organized in whatever state you're in. The senior election official has two obligations under the law. It's the Voting Rights Back of nineteen eighty six. Section seven says, go out and register everybody that's eligible. That's a good thing if you're eligible, great, But Section eight says that the election official has an affirmative obligation to make sure that the voting roles are accurate, which means they have to go in and check them. So if somebody moved, if somebody died, if somebody's a fellon, if somebody there's all sorts of reasons why you have to go through and make sure that what you have is accurate. Well, many many places blow that off entirely and they don't have an aggressive double check plan on their voting roles. So we've gone around the country and we've done an analysis between the census data and then the voting roles, and we line them up, and there's places where they have, you know, one hundred and fifty percent registration. Does it? I mean that is that is right for people

17:56 getting in and doing mischief, right creating problems, and so we warned these officials, so we say, look, if you don't clean it up, we're going to sue you. Sometimes they act on it right away. Sometimes they wait for us to sue them, and then they go whoopsie and they go in and fix it. In North Carolina we had to remove half a million people where the voting rolls weren't accurate. They were just wrong. And so that's our effort to make sure because we believe that if you have the voting roles clean, if they're accurate, then you're less likely to have mischief and gamesmanship and other irregularities. Is probably good. I don't want to use the f word fraud because that has a very specific legal meaning and the left will jump up and down and scream when you say fraud. So I just want to call it it's an irregularity. But we've had multiple victories in states across the country to clean up voter rolls and we appreciate that. And I think you and I talked about this the last time on the radio. Chris, is that being in marketing most of my life and doing a lot with direct marketing used to do that early on in my advertising career. Is that we discovered twenty twenty five percent of a zip code will move every year.

19:19 So if the registrar voters is not on top of this on an annual basis, you've got twenty twenty five percent attrition already baked into the cake. And that's how this stuff keeps mounting up. And I think that, you know, it's appropriate for Judicial Watch, it's appropriate, I believe for the rest of America that is demanding a free and fair voting process, an electoral process that we sue. We sue these stats. I mean, look, look what Mark Elias did, you know during COVID as you know, he and his five hundred Democratic operative lawyers is legal eagles. They went in there and scared the holy what have you out of these various states, and you know, caused them to even break their own state laws. I mean, it's amazing how their level of intimidation, what they were able to accomplish in what in a month's time. And here we are, we've been having this discussion about voter rolls, you know, ever since you know, twenty twenty came to light it's kind of been an ongoing deal, but twenty twenty definitely brought it more to light where people are saying, all right, enough with this already, let's get this thing fixed. Yeah, and the wild inconsistencies from state to state. So in California, I Gavin Newsom sending out mail in ballots, not ballots that were requested by people, just him on his own volition, sending out mail in ballots to basically every street address in California.

20:52 You want to talk about an opportunity for fraud, Well you can go into an apartment building and scoop up fifty men in ballots and fill them all out and send them in exactly zero accountability, no idea who sent them in. How do you know that what they the person is matched up with the with the belt that's received. It was all make believe they could just do whatever they wanted, right. And the thing is, Christie, Republicans have written off California. It's been corrupt for so long and you've had all these I think at one point, what was it over three three million or was that just in La, but I thought it was California as well. They had three million names on the voter rule. I think you were able to negotiate and get fifty percent off, but there's still you know, another one and a half million names that should be cleared off. And Democrats, in typical fashion, holding to the Cohn you know, are going to resist every step of the way and look at it. And it's up to the citizens of California. I mean they themselves have to say, look it. You know, we need to clean up the state and what you've been getting away with in terms of these you know, ballot harvesting. You know, they were the pioneers of that and did it before it was it was legal. So in addition to that, Chris, a lot of people don't know is Gavin Newsom authorized the release of a driver's license to illegal immigrants. Well, when they send out ballots, they send out ballots based on your driver's license.

22:23 So you have people who are illegals receiving ballots. And I know this for a fact is the Democrats will go because they know where the ballots were sent, and they go knocking on the doors and they say, hey, we're here to get your ballot, and they'll talk to an illegal and the illegal will say, but I'm not I'm not a citizen. I'm not allowed to vote. Well, they sent you a ballot, didn't They don't worry, we'll take care of it. Just give me the ballot. No, it's exactly correct. And you know that kind of nonsense or there's this this phony, disingenuous claim. I experienced this in Arizona and twenty eighteen. The voting registrar says, well, you know, we lined up our voting roles.

23:07 We bounced it off the DMV, and they didn't say anything. I mean, the DMV was giving out licenses to everybody who could, you know, walk and talk. I mean, it's no check whatsoever, in fact that it's a counter check. It's actually providing false information to bounce it. But that was offered to some sort of an explanation that says, well, you know the roles, we bounced it off d MV, so we know you don't know anything bouncing off DMV. This goes back to al Gore in the dark ages of motor voter when he was still a freenator from Tennessee. Somehow people forget all this stuff. But I mean, well, you see this is the thing. You see, our government's so massive Chris, and we've gotten away and we've added complexity to it when we haven't even got the essentials underway. I mean I have always I've always been one to vote for you know, I have a one day, a national one day of voting.

24:11 Everybody is also I'm sorry the Constitution says it's an election day. Yes, have election week, election season, or a month day period. And that's that's another part of the problem, because you've got crazy judges saying, well, we have to allow for the mails and you know, it might be bad weather and a crazy excuses for stretching it out. And basically it's look what number do I have to get to to win? And now I'm going to keep counting until I get there. I mean that that's the corruption of it. Let me let me use their their logic, Chris, because so often when you go in you say, hey, I got a problem with the count here, and they said, well, you know, we ran the broad numbers and even if you're right, it's not going to make any difference. Right. Yeah, that's that's the worst. That's the argument that they use, right Okay, Well that's the lie. Yeah, okay.

25:07 So then in the case of their argument about you know, the mail being slow, or you know, whatever other excuse they want to use. What what is that number? Would that number affect the final toll for the sake of having a free and fair election. Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying. I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying. The answer, my friend, is what was done in Florida where they figured out how to how to have an election on one day. Right. The answer is also in Virginia, a little different approach, but essentially, you know by midnight by two am. You know, they close the polls at seven or eight whatever the local time is, and you give them four or five hours to get everything bundled together accounted, and you know, late at night or early next morning, Bang, you've got an answer.

26:02 No one's deafing, No one's saying, well, you know, we expect you know, it's going to be contested and we'll be in court for the next three days and blah blah blah blah, re none of that garbage. You get a real answer by late that night or very early the next morning. And that's what we have. We have to have that we can't go on with this crazy election season that we're doing exactly Rayman to tell me that we shouldn't be having uh election counting interrupted for three hours? Uh uh you know in in swing states. I mean it wasn't just in one state. It was like in five states. This was an orchestration. But you know, there's nothing here to see. Move on, obi wan kenobi Uh.

26:48 You know we got this covered and and nobody is supposed to have their suspicions uh or become a conspiratus and that that is the problem. And you know we've seen I guess in Detroit they were putting up plywood over the glass so people couldn't see what was going on in the room. People were threatened. In fact, if we go way back, I guess it was I forget which exact year it was, phybe is two thousand and eight. You remember in Philadelphia they had the black Panthers panthers during Obama's an apparent. Here you had a greeting committee of guys in paramilitary guard holding batons and they were welcoming you to the polling station. They of that this is an interesting story.

27:41 The guy who heads up our election program at Judicial Watch is a very fine attorney by the name of Bob Popper, and Bob Popper was the deputy chief of the Voting Rights Section in the Justice Department. And that Philadelphia Black Panther case was is wow. He had taken it all the way down the field ninety nine yards. He was on the one inch line about to get a judgment against that group of black panthers where they were going to essentially admit, yeah, what we did was wrong, and you know, forever swearing that they would never do that again. And the Obama administration made him drop the case. Yeah, Eric Holder, Yeah exactly. And when that happened, Bob said thank you, goodbye, and he left the Department of Justice, and he came over to Judicial Watch. Yeah. How corrupt. How corrupt is that? And I don't care if I got an mission from him.

28:37 We saw him, We saw what they were doing. It was clear intimidation, I mean, and they were holding they were holding these these batons in their hand and slapping it into their hands, which could be quite intimidating, I think for some of the older folks. Right, that's an unusual greeting, right exactly. And then also the thing that was that added to the suspicion. I think it was in Pennsylvania. There was something like fifty eight voting districts. Chris, I don't know if you remember this or not, but all fifty eight one hundred percent voted for Obama. Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. That's that's that is mathematically impossible. That's like the Wisconsin nursing homes for the dementia and and yes, in Alzheimer's patients, and all of them one hundred percent voted for Biden. Yes, maybe because they identified with them. I'm not sure, but it's us to come up with voting statistics where And I feel sorry for these people obviously, I mean I'm I'm not making fun of them, not by a long shot. Well, very sympathetic to them. In their family. It's elder in the least, that's for sure. Yeah. But the idea that somehow the folks in these nursing homes or these assisted living facilities, somehow one hundred percent, every single one of them, and you formally, I mean, it wasn't like this happened in three places. This was entire blocks of people in these uh,

30:07 in these medical facilities. Oh, every single one voter for Biden it's preposterous. And you talk to the family members, Chris, and they say, my mom is only lucid for we're lucky if she's a minute a day of ruscinity, how you know. And so this was kind of a typical response in terms of the clarity, uh of these poor folks in these uh, in these assisted living facilities and how they were taking advantage of I mean, we could be talking about this till till next year easily, Chris. But it's at some point, uh, you know, there's got to be a line drawn here to say we're not going to have this anymore. And if there needs to be a class action suit against all these state houses, all these uh, you know, elector officials to hold them into account, then we have to do something with some rapidity because the twenty twenty four election is just around the corner. And if you think, if you think, in some sort of measure of your understanding, that the Democrat the Democrats are not going to cheat again, I mean, it makes me sad to think that you're talking about a party, You're talking about fellow citizens in our country who flat out our cheating and giving us the government that we have now as Barack Obama said, elections have consequences. We'll look at the consequences that we have.

31:37 Because Joe Biden somehow got eighty two million votes, Donald Trump gets ten million more than he had the previous year. Again, the math doesn't add up. There were so many anomalies in this election, and for the courts to ignore this or not want to entertain it, it gives you suspicion about the whole, entire entirety of the government. Chris, that is, everybody in the government this corrupt, would allow this kind of stuff to occur. The shoot answers, Yes, I mean, I hate to say that, but it's true. For an awful lot of people. This isn't about a free and fair election, but it's really about is power, power and control.

32:22 Yeah, and I mean and that, my friend, as you well know, that is pure Bolshevik communism. This is anything, I mean that literally, anything to accumulate, acquire, consolidate power. And they they really don't give a damn. They will run over their mother in a truck to get what they want. And they feel incredibly, you know, justified, very righteous about what they're doing because they know this is in their thinking. They're mine they know best. And you know, it really is about power, and that's what's I mean. This is part of the great struggle that we're in. This is the cultural Marxism that we're wrestling with. Uh.

33:15 This is the kind of thing, you know, with the oppressed and the oppressor. You see this kind of language in the reaction on college campuses to the brutality of October seventh, where these Hamas terrorist animals, you know, brutalize Israelis in ways that are beyond your imagination, and that gets translated into this Marxist dialectic on college campuses of oppressed and oppressor, and you know that has become so ingrained. It has nothing to do with our founding documents, It has nothing to do with the Democratic Republic, it has nothing to do with our constitutional system. That is pure Marxist ideology at work, and it is accepted and adopted as being thus standard now. And you know, when you look at statistics and reporting on people that think that socialism is great or we should it just wasn't done right. We can do it better, we can tweak it. They somehow, they somehow forget that both fascism and communism are opposite sides of the same coin, and that coin is socialism and all that brings is oppression. But that's that is the driving philosophy in the country right now. Yeah, after hundreds and hundreds of years of this grand experiment

34:46 of theirs, they always say we need more money and more time. But after all this, you would think if there was any merit to it, Chris, you'd be able to have a highlight and be able to say, well, at least we got to right here in no name, country of the world or whatever, you know it really but nowhere, I mean because even in our country we delved, you know, the Pilgrims delved with that idea and they figured it out within a year, right, right, don't work, you don't eat. It's that simple. Yeah, it's fundamental, So we throw out the fundamentals. But you know, getting back to what you were talking about, is that you see America's heart and soul has been so compromised and corrupted and as a people overall. I know that's a broadbrush, Daman, but look at it. Look at these kids, and look at these presidents of these universities who can't even answer a direct question because they cannot seem to have the I mean, these are these are smart people, These are you know, supposedly smart people. But I think they've become so open minded their brains have fallen out to where they can't they can't even discern Chris good from evil. Here you have, like you said, the Atrosites that took place on October the seventh, you had Jewish women raped and drug naked in the streets of Gaza. And I said the other day, I said, did you notice any how many Palestinians jumped out in the street and stopped hamats from dragging these women create these defenseless women in the street, not

36:20 one They were all cheering. So that says about a lot about the Palestinians. I'll tell you what, you know what, I don't want them living next to me. I don't want them next to my kids. I'm sorry. You know, there needs to be some reform there and they need to understand that their souls are brought to the core when they approve of this kind of horrific terror that took place. And in these people that want to talk about a two state solution, I've never believed in it. You can't you can't co coincide with, you know, somebody who wants to kill you. I don't know how you coexist with somebody like that. Well, what's remarkable is that even I mean the dirty little secret is that the general now President Alsisi in Egypt, he's not going to open the southern gates of Gosins, of course, and welcome and welcome his co religionists into it, nor you know, nor is the King of Jordan going to do the same thing.

37:21 They ask yourself, why why why is that? Because I mean ethnically, religiously, culturally, you would think that they would embrace their brothers and support them. Wait, why doesn't that happen? Right, Yeah, because they know they're compromile. They know they're they're bringing, you know, they're bringing a bad element into the recipe, right that they can't they can't control. These These are rambunctious, out of controlled terrorists that are taking their orders from a Iran or they're taking it from some reading of the Quran that they want to interprets the Muslim brotherhood element, you know, and Aron and so again. The other little secret that no one really wants to talk about out loud is that the leaders of all of the countries that are at least trying to be part of the civilized world, like people who are signatories to the Abraham Accords. Yes, or you know, civilized neighbors of Israel, countries like Jordan and Egypt. They're quietly cheering on the Israelis. They want them to wipe out hamas half a step less than the Israelis because they view them as a threat. They know they're dealing with stavage lunatics, and you won't get them on CNN making an announcement about it, of course, But behind the scenes, the leaders of those countries, they know exactly what they're dealing with

38:52 and they're not interested in importing that into their country at all. Yeah, exactly. But here we are in March of this year, speaking of universities. You reported on this early on. Now people are catching up. Open the books, did an extensive study to reveal how much foreign money was coming into the universities, and you revealed back in March of this year how much money was going to Texas A and M from Cutter. Yeah. What had happened was we had heard that a lot of money was flowing into Texas A and M from Cutter and we said, well, okay, I think that the number ended up being like five hundred million dollars. There's a huge amount of money, right, And Texas A and M is a public university, so under the Texas open records laws, we said, well, you're a public university and you're accepting money from a foreign country. What are you doing with it? Where does it go? What? You know, people don't give you half a billion dollars, you know for laughs, that's that's a lot more than lunch money, right, right, that's a lot of money.

39:59 So what's the You can be a gooder friend of the Biden unt with a half billion dollars by the way, so what what is where's that money going and what's the outcome? And Texas A and M said, well, that's our private donation. So well you're a public university, you know. And so we went around and around on this, and Texas Attorney General got involved and we had to sue and but we were on the front end of revealing and it ended up that the amount came out of five hundred million dollars. But we ended up getting on the front end of a lot of reporting subsequent reporting of foreign donations to US universities. So when you see these nineteen year olds with you know, they don't have brains, they have yogurt in their heads, and they're marching around screaming, you know, from the river to the sea and talking about rights and you know, gay and lesbian supporters of Hamas and all this other insanity. Yeah, gays for Hamas. How I mean you read you see that and you think that's got to come from the Babylon b They're not serious, I know, but unfortunately it's true.

41:08 And so but when you see this and you say, well, gee, how did that happen? Now you know why exactly? When when Katar shows up and gives them half a billion dollars, It influences policy, It influences personnel decisions, it influences curriculum, and so yeah, and these professors, these professors that are hired on and and then you know, and you talked about importing, importing hatred. We've been saying this on the show as well, Chris, is that America has been importing hatred from the Middle East. We got kids coming in here. You have no idea, there's no vetting of them. They don't realize was it somebody was exposing in the other day UNRA their educational books on how they teach the young kids. I mean they're teaching these books are in Jerusalem, Okay, they are throughout the Middle East, and they're teaching Jewish hatred and I mean, yeah, exactly, yeah.

42:07 And look, you know we report, we sew and so in this case, we've been extraordinarily stupid and we've given student visas out to people who very often lie in their visa application. Uh. And you know, one way to get the attention of some of these universities is the ones who have had the most protests, the ones where people have been threatened. You know, there's instant instances where Jurish students have had to lock themselves in rooms or yah, where they said I'm out of here, I'm going home. They're not even staying at the university where that's happened. You just suspend all federal dollars going to that school for two or three years and watch what happens.

42:57 Exactly, turn off the money, not for ever, not just penalize them. Say look, I need to get your attention. All the X number of billion dollars are getting you're not so straighten up? And then we'll reevaluate you in two or three years and we'll see if if you've come to your senses or not, and then maybe we'll turn the money back on. That's the only thing they understand. That's otherwise you're going to see the lying that you saw by these three phony college presidents in front of Congress. I said, yeah, Stefanic in New York did a job on them last week. But when you turn the money off, all of a sudden they snap too, and they pay attention exactly. Well, money is what brought him to this point, and you take the money away, and you'll get him to the other point, right, you know, just to your point. Another thing that Judicial Watch covered last year was what happened at the Air Force Academy.

43:57 They're focus on anti American critical race, theary training of cadets. Yeah, more cultural Marxism at work. So I mean for folks that don't no way back just in the post World War One era, there was a school of thought un There's the Frankfurt School, and they specialized in something called critical theory. In essence, it was an effort to deconstruct all the major building blocks of Western civilization. They were going to take apart everything that you and I believe in. That's their goal. School in Frankfurt, Germany ended up decamping, moving off to Columbia University in New York. Some of the people split off and created the New School in New York. But they were leaving Germany in nineteen thirties because the fascist Hitler's people didn't have any sense of humor about what they were proposing, because it was Marxist Marxist philosophy. So this Marxist philosophy over time has become incredibly influential in all of our universities. It's contaminated everything in sight and the way it manifests itself most most recently, is in this insanity known as critical race theory, where you go around and you say, oh, Farrell, you're a euro A white guy, blue eyed devil, western European male. You're intrinsically evil. Everything about me is bad because I'm an old white guy and I represent everything that is you know,

45:30 archaic and hateful and everything else. It's institutional racism. But in reverse, they're teaching this at the academies. Worth Academy in particularly, we looked at but frankly it's present at all of military academies exactly, and that's really it's very dangerous. Yeah, how's that compromising the leadership. It's horrific, is what it's doing. It creates division. You know, I used to be an army officer a million years ago and we were all green. Right. It was merit based. Yes, you got promoted. If you were more on you didn't get promoted. And so it didn't matter what color you were, where you came from Richford, North South, it was irrelevant. It's did you get the job done, yes or exactly. That's what drove That's what drove the entire system. Uh. We got a couple of minutes left.

46:23 I want to touch on on this. Then I'm gonna let you kind of summarize because you guys have done just such outstanding work and in so many areas and all the information they can research for themselves. Again, you don't have to take our word for it. Like we always say, Chris, is that you must own your own knowledge. Hopefully, what we've done is motivated people to do a deeper dive and and find out for themselves. I mean, uh, let's have a little bit more depth and uh, you know, the thickness of a bumper sticker. Let's understand what's going on here. Uh, I wanted to address uh, you know again, we just got to jobs report, and I think what's indicative is that we saw the numbers were reflecting government related associations. There was some relief, you know after sack. That's a union deal, of course, the auto workers union.

47:13 But the jobs that are being created since COVID have been coming more out of the government than, you know, than the private sector. And you got a situation here that you reported earlier this year on John Kerry's office. I had no idea employing forty five people, John Kerry, give me a break, right, Yeah, you can imagine the carbon footprint, right, that's all. Yeah. Yeah, Well, well they're they're they're I don't know, they're getting their carbon credits at the same place which they they found out at COP twenty eight. Was reported that, you know, they find out all these people that were, you know, in charge of qualifying all these carbon credits there like that they were all you know, phony, most of them. Yeah, the whole carbon thing and the carry it's a racket, it's phony, it's a lie, it's manipulation. It's horrific. The only thing crazier than that is San Francisco giving special bonuses free money to Hispanic transgenders.

48:22 They get twelve hundred dollars a month for eighteen months. That's another crazy Jewish Watch story. We uncovered in fact that the acronym is gift. It's like, I forget the full acronym of the program, but they were paying out money to Latino and black transgenders. They need special free money and they get paid it every month, twelve hundred dollars for eighteen months, for eight eight Well, there's another crazy but true story. It's like John Kerry, he wants to turn off all the coal fire plants in the world. I mean, these people, they're out of their minds, they really are. Well, you know, it is amazing that what has happened UH to the world, and there are some countries that are figuring it out and they're able to move a little bit faster. But we've got so much money invested in, so much craziness invested in this country over you know this UH over over this climate you know, UH doctrine and theology in a sense, because it is that's that's basically what It boils down to it's let's exchange, let's exchange your god for our God. Right, you are exactly right. It is a twisted theology of sorts where people have have invented pseudoscience that you know is it's their religion. You know, exactly well, Chris, we've got to wrap things up again. Cannot thank you enough for coming on. Remind people, I mean, uh, judicial Watch, you do this on your own,

49:52 I mean donations. People are supporting and donating to the cause. How can they be on the team to support the great work of Judicial Watch. The best thing to do to look at all of our work is to go to judicial Watch altogether. One word judicialwatch dot org org. Okay, well check it out. Chris Ferrell, thank you again. I appreciate your time and thank you for coming on the show. You take care of Merry Christmas to you, Merry Christmas to you, Bill. Chris Ferrell, the director of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch, just so appreciate his time and his intellect and what he brings to support the cause for the American people and our constitutional rights. Thank you so much to Chris. Thank you for being a part of the show and joining in and adding to the solution, and not adding to the problem. May God bless you and keep you. May make his face shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and give you his peace. Thank you so much for being with us. Take care, God bless the pub.