Jeffrey Epstein, Murder or Suicide?

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Well, good afternoon, Good to have

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you with us. I'm Bill Martinez
and we're gonna have doctor Ron Martinelli with

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us in just a few minutes.
Doctor Ron has been known as a criminologist

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and an investigator. And the thing
that keeps circling and remaining a mystery is

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the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Was
it a murder, was it a homicide

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or was it suicide which the media
would want is to believe. Let's bring

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doctor Ron Martinelli on, Doctor Ron, good to have you with us on

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the show to untangle this mystery that
continues all these years later. Well maybe

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I can. First of all,
thanks for having me on maybe I can

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untangle a little bit of it.
But one of the things about the Jeffrey

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Epstein death investigation is that it still
remains as far as some of us in

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the professional science world, forensics,
pathology, people like colleague doctor Michael Biden

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Biden, We're still shaking our heads
and there needs to there just needs to

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be more put forward, more transparency
from the Department of Justice, from the

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Federal Bureau of Investigations, and from
the Federal Bureau of Prisons as to what

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really took place. You know,
back in August of twenty nineteen, when

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we had the alleged I'm going to
call it alleged suicide of the inmate Jeffrey

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Epstein, well has been noted.
I mean here you've got such a high

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profile individual as Jeffrey Epstein, there
was already I you know what they report

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a suicide attempt maybe three days earlier, right, doctor Roun and built.

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It was either an attempted suicide,
which is what they're putting out, or

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it was an assault by another inmate. So again that's that's something else that

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hasn't been truly clarified or made transparent
by Federal Bureau Prisons in DJ. As

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we often say on this show,
doctor Ron is in the absence of fact,

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opinion rules, and that seems to
be at the end of the day,

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a lot of opinion out there.
And you would think again, like

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a profile case like this, that
there would be this high sense of urgency

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to give us the truth, the
whole truth and nothing. But but it

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leads us to believe that there's been
you know, this is all about cover

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up. Well, I can tell
you as a person who has investigated hundreds

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of deaths and many jail suicides.
I testify and federal and state court on

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the aspects of suicideology and death investigations. Of course, I've had many,

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many cases of jail hangings and suspicious
death cases. Right. One of the

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things that we do at Martinellian Associates
is that we do determinations, right,

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is it suicide? Is it homicide? What classification of death? We have

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a complete medical team here, And
of course I'm very familiar with doctor Boden's

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work and I've actually opposed him on
at least two or three cases. And

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so if you get me, and
this is important for your viewers to understand,

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if you get me, and doctor
Boden agreeing on a topic like this

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caused manner of death. It's something
they should really perk up their ears.

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The intents should be raising because we've
actually opposed each other. We've never worked

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together, We've only opposed each other. Well, and I'm glad you brought

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up doctor Biden's name again because he's
been on with us several times and he

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himself even has said that it looks
like a homicide. Yeah, I think

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I don't think Michael is far off
on this. My determination, and we

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have pathologists here. My determination in
taking a look at all of this as

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a death investigator, as a homicide
and death investigator and person again that is

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qualified to talk about suicidal ideations and
people that commit suicide. That the important

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thing is, I think the determination
from the medical Zamer in New York should

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have been inconclusive because when you have
evidence, and I know doctor Boden has

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talked about this, and I'll talk
about it myself, if you have evidence

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that points more to homicide then it
does to suicide, then the case needs

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to be reinvestigated. And there are
a couple of very very critical parts components

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of this case that are not coming
forward. You know, for instance,

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you know, here's what peple.
Let me set the stage here and talk

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about contract a little bit. From
the point of being a death investigator.

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Jeffrey Epstein is, as you said, Bill, very very high profile prisoner

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at that particular time, at least
in the New York Correctional facility. I

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don't think there's any doubt that Jeffrey
Epstein was the highest profile federal prisoner in

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that correction facility. That correction facility
is also a high level security facility.

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It's just not a regular prison,
it's a high it's a high ranking federal

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prison with high profile prisoners. There
is a standard in a duty of care

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for the prison guards and the prison
personnel, a particular attention to jeff Epstein.

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And the reason is what you talked
about there was, first of all,

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he's there in a hugely high profile
case spill the beans on you know,

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many many high politicians and members of
royal families and things like that.

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But also there was an occasion a
week before where he was injured. And

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the question to a death investigator like
me, is was it an attempt at

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suicide or was he assaulted by any
exactly right. The next thing is there

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are ss Yeah, because there was
an inmate in that cell with him that

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was brought in what just a day
before or something like that, right,

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collected. And so going back to
what you're saying here, you've got this

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this high profile individual, You've got, you know, a top notch facility.

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You would think that you would have
the best of your best watching the

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most important person in that correction facility, right, I mean common sense would

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say that's what you would do.
Absolutely one of the things that you do

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in the protocols of any jail or
prison system. If you have any suspicion

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or you have any overt evidence that
a person is suicidal or expressing suicidal ideations,

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that person has put on a medical
watch and they're placed not in the

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cell that Epstein was placed in,
which was a double bunk cell. You

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don't do that. You don't give
anybody an elevated opportunity, right, an

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elevated position where they could hang themselves. You don't put anything in that cell

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that would allow a person with suicidal
ideations to commit the act of suicide or

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self harm. Right. You don't
put him in with another inmate. You

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put him in what's referred to as
a suicide resistant cell. There is no

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cell. I mean if a person
really wants to kill themselves. I mean

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I demonstrated in federal court back in
Nebraska a few years that an inmate can

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kill themselves with something as little as
a T shirt and a magazine. Okay,

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a magazine wrapped up into a tube
and then stretched around a ligature which

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is the tea shirt, and they
can kill themselves in that manner. All

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right, So look how easy it
is to really kill yourself. But the

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point is when you have a predicate
an incident, then he's on a medical

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watch, a fifteen minute medical watch
where there is a verbal and a position

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observation where the inmate stands in the
front of the cell and discounted. You

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talk with them, you just don't
look at them. They could be turning

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away from you. They could they
could be asphyxiating, and you can't tell.

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You called their attention if you never
to wake him up, and every

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fifteen minutes you log that. The
other thing is you have well hang on

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just second here, ductor run for
just a moment, because true I saw

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from ap they had uh, they
had the information where they were checking him

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every fifteen minutes. We're gonna talk
about that. Okay, good, but

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you know only because you said there's
a lot more detail. But all they

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noted was that they observed him.
Right, But we're gonna we're gonna talk

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about those two correctional officers and what
happened to them. And that's a huge

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question mark. All right. That's
another thing. You know. I'm a

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retired detective, and this is what
cops say. Cops hate coincidences, and

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there's just too many coincidences here,
right, Okay, So don't forget the

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standard of care also is having video
surveillance, video surveillance in the cell,

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video surveillance outside of the cell,
because you want to keep everybody accountable,

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want to keep everybody honest, first
of all, from the control room in

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a suicidal you know, prevention cell
and a suicide resistance cell, you want

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to be watching it what the inmate
does all the time, twenty four to

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seven. And you also want to
have a CCTV right outside the cell exactly.

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You can make sure that you can
see anything from the front of the

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cell, and you can see who's
visiting the cell, and you can see

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who is doing the medical watches exactly, we've got to go to break.

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Let's go to break. We'll pick
it up from there when we come back.

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back with your Bill Martinez along with
doctor Ron Martinelli on today what is known

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as Juneteenth, which, like so
many things that has to do anything racial,

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you get all these narratives that are
flying out there. We're gonna take

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a little side step from the Jeffrey
Epstein case for just a moment to talk

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about your book, one of your
books on black Lives Matter, and I

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thought it would be appropriate to give
it some time in light of June Juneteenth,

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which is highly misunderstood and what it
was all about. Doctor run Yeah,

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you know, thank you so much
for bringing up my popular book,

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The Truth Beyond the Black Lives Matter
in the War on Police. It's a

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best seller on Amazon. And it
is a here's the thing that's interesting for

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your viewers. It's a non political
book, so it's non opinionated, non

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political. It is a forensic investigation
into the beginnings and the current status of

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the Black Lives Matter movement. So
the book is called The Truth Beyond the

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Black Lives Matter Movement in the War
on Police, and I break it down.

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I know the plays, the original
founders of the BLM movement, I

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know them, interviewed them. There
are about one hundred and thirty references in

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the book people. I encourage people
to become their own forensic investigators. And

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what it does is it takes some
of the more prominent cases that BLM was

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involved in and I was involved in. So the Trayvon starts out chapter one

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and Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman shooting,
where the false narrative was that George Zimmerman

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was the bad guy and Trayvon Martin
was this angelic person. Not the case

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he was, he was a thug. He was actually the person that attacked,

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pursued and attacked George Zimmerman, and
George Zimmerman was forced to shoot him

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and kill him. And so of
course later when the truth came out,

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Zimmerman was acquitted. The chapter two, Hands Up, Don't Shoot? Remember

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that, that's exactly in the Matter
movement Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson in

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Ferguson, Missouri. I did the
forensic an analysis on that case. It's

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chapter two of the book. Hands
Up, Don't Shoot was a complete lie.

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Never happened. That's not the way
it went. If you really want

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to find out what happened forensically,
truthfully backed up with tons of evidence.

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It's a great book. I give
an entire chapter to George sorrows So and

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his Open Society and some of his
black money through the Tides Foundation. Out

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in Saucelito, I talk about the
media. I talk about how Black Lives

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Matter was accepted into the White House
during the Obama administration. I devote a

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chapter to another case analysis I had, and that was the Sergeant Crowley Professor

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Gates thing, which I believe began
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the Bomb administration. So it's a
great book. It's a it's a go

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to resource book. And I'm very
happy that you mentioned the Black Lives Matter

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movement has proven repeatedly to be a
fraud. It is a financial fraud.

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And the Black Lives Matter movement leaders
and chapters have never done one thing,

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one positive thing for the black community
or any of the so called victims of

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police violence, not one, not
one thing. Well, doctor Ron,

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I got to tell you, to
this day, I'm still shocked that the

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attorney for the Martin family that he
still has his bar license. He lied

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to the courts, He put up
a witness that was given a narrative.

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It wasn't even the young girl that
Trayvon Martin was actually talking with at the

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time of you know, the conflict
and which led to the shooting of Trayvon

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Martin. All this all manufactured,
and he still he lives to this day,

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and anytime there is something where you
know there needs to be a profile

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attorney, he's there. Well,
it's so interesting because I know the attorney

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very well. We've opposed each other
on a couple of cases. His law

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firm has reached out to me on
one occasion, and I refuse to work

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with them because he is a promulgator
of false narratives and it's about the money.

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I think if people read the Trayvon
Martin chapter they would be shocked to

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learn what the real forensic evidence is
in this case. So again I appreciate

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you mentioning that. And they can
even get an autograph copy from me besides

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Amazon, they can get an autograph
copy from me on our website at doctor

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Ron Martinelli dot com, Dr ro
O N. Martinelli dot com. The

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unfortunate thing about Black Lives Matter is
that if we're going to get down to

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the truth and get this country back
on track, which sixty five percent of

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America says that is their heart's desire
is to get this country back, we've

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got to deal with these false narratives
even put out, whether it's by an

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attorney, even by our own president
at the time who said, uh,

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Trayvon could have been my son.
The rise of Black Lives Matter clearly came

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came out of that that situation there
in Florida to stand your ground, Uh,

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you know law that was reinforced and
uh and we've been paying not to

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mention the fact that people were killed. H These were reported reports, doctor

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run where people, you know,
blacks would would kill me, said that's

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for Treyvon Martin, right. No, you know, it's just incredible.

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The founding members. I don't know
if your viewers know this. The founding

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members of the Black Lives Matter three
black women, h Patrice Katurs, Alicia

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Garza, and opal To Mati.
Now Patrise Kulred has now taken a backseat

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with the Black Lives Matter movement because
it's been shown that she took millions of

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dollars and enriched herself and bought mansions. I think one was in California.

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They bought uh in Canada and somewhere
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BLMS as buying large mansions. But
again and Patrise was quoted. I think

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it was Patrise that was quoted.
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do you give money to blacks?
She says that's what go fund me is

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for. So just imagine that.
And the problem Bill is that people in

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the black community, uh they are. They just do not educate themselves.

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They don't inform themselves about these groups. They don't vet the groups, and

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corporations either fall into it because they're
woke or because they're extorted like the old

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you know, Jesse Jackson and Reverend
al Sharpton type of scams, and they

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give in. But why give in
to a movement? That has done absolutely

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nothing for the black community, right, you know, and a lot rather

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than listening to paying attention to people
like Martin Luther King, Denzel Washington,

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you know, famous actors, famous
celebrities that truly, truly are intuitive and

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knowledgeable and philosophical and want to take
Blacks and raise them up. Exact why

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do you go to a group that
preaches victimization and police violence again with false

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narratives. It's shocking to me because
it's rewarding for them. You know,

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you follow the money. People do
that which they get rewarded for. So

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they've built an industry, whether it's
Reverend Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, you know,

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they're hustling corporate America. And now
BLM and others have found a way

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to hustle every day Americans, people
who have sympathy that have brought into this

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racial lie that continues to this day. But you know, and I appreciate

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yet, I mean, here we
are, we're two non blacks. I'm

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a Hispanic minority, but which the
blacks keep trying to absorb into their into

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their numbers. But you know,
we're not gonna we're not gonna buy into

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that, you know, I agree
with you. You know, I do

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a lot of civil rights litigation on
behalf of people of color. My very

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first case was Rodney King, working
for the United States Department of Justice at

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the time as a consultant. Uh
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is that the vast majority of blacks
in the blacks community that I talk to,

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they are not in favor of groups
like Black Lives Matter. But they're

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so well they can see, they
can see through it really quick instinctively run.

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But but but the deal is the
media will not talk to them because

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that doesn't fit the narrative, correct. And they're so intimidated by Black Lives

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Matter and being canceled and being shut
down. It's like the blacks are the

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silent majority in the black community.
And it's just a shame. And you

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never see Black Lives Matter protesting in
the city of Chicago, where we have

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such bloodshed. It's actually a genocide
in the black community going on, you

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know, every single week. I
mean, I keep a lot do a

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lot of work in Illinois around the
Chicago area. I keep statistics almost every

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other day on what's going on in
Chicago. We never see these group.

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You never see Black Lives Matter protesting
about genocide. That's happening in Philadelphia,

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that's happening in Baltimore, that's happening
in Detroit, that happens in Los Angeles.

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You never in New York City.
You never see it. And the

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black community is truly hurting. So
I hope moving forward we move away from

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these frauds in the black community stands
up and starts determining what is the real

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cause of violence and the black I'm
with you. We've got to go to

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going to revisit and get back where we

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Ron Martinelli continues with us. He
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The question before us, and that
we're bringing to light here again with the

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understanding that you need to own your
own knowledge. Hopefully what you're hearing today

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causes you to investigate further and know
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head or some TV station or some
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believe in. Okay, so we're
laying out the facts for you. You

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take them and you decide for yourself. Was Jeffrey Epstein a murder or a

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suicide? Doctor Ron, I'm gonna
let you pick it up where we left

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off when we were talking about the
Epstein case. Go ahead, well,

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great, let's kind of break it
down to a couple of things as we

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only have a limited time together,
Bill, and again, thank you very

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much for having me on your show
again. My opinion at this point is

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that cause and manner of death is
inconclusive. It should be we should be

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continuing on the road of this forensic
investigation, and we're just not. Everything

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got stopped. So we talk about
the different coincidences by setting the stage.

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Remember, we're in a high profile
facility, correctional facility, a federal facility,

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and what's important about that is that
something happened in this facility, whether

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you know it's a death, let's
just call it a death investigation, right,

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Thanks there, But the jurisdictional law
enforcement agency that investigates deaths within the

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prison federal prison system is the Federal
Bureau of Investigations, right, So they

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have a tremendous forensic and investigative resources
at United States DOJ Right, we can

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do everything the FBI can do with
all of our different medical and forensic and

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law enforcement and corrections experts, but
we don't do any DNA testing. That's

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the only difference we have every other
forensic resource they do. So I mean,

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if we can put forensic in resources
into an investigation like that, then

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why aren't day So the next thing
is the highest profile in the highest federal

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correction facility in the New York region
dies right and dies in the custody of

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law enforcement in federal officials. And
there are two guards that are arrested by

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the FBI and their names are Tova
Noel and Michael Thomas. Tova Noel and

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Michael Thomas. They were the two
correctional officers that were on duty during the

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shifts when Epstein was in a cell
that was not a suicide resistant cell.

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It was a two bunk tier cell, one bunk on top of another,

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which you never do in a case
where you suspect any suicidality or suicidal ideations

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exactly. They were both arrested.
What were they arrested for. They were

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arrested for lying on the watchlocks.
So the practice, the corrections practice.

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So we talk about codified law enforcement
practices and standards of care. This means

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that these are recognized, accepted,
applied, and trained and codified policies.

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There's laws, there's case laws,
and they state that when you have a

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person that is presented with suicide or
you suspect suicide, then you put them

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in a suicide resistance cell and you
put them on what's called a medical watch,

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which is every fifteen minutes, So
every fifteen minutes the corrections officers are

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supposted mandated by policy to do a
visual and verbal and visual I mean the

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physical inspection of the inmate. The
easiest way to do it is to talk

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to the inmate, look through the
door window, talk to the inmate,

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get a response, get them to
roll over towards you. Most the easiest

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way is to get them to stand
in the cell so you can see whatever

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they can stand. They can ride
around their cogent things like that. This

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man Epstein was in that cell for
eight hours, So break down eight hours

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into fifteen minute intrements and you will
find that not one time during the point

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where he was admitted into that cell
was he ever checked on by those two

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correctional officers who fudged the medical watch
reports and then lied to the API.

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Yeah, because there should have been
thirty in eight hours, there should have

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been thirty two entries. And the
entries that we see that AP presented looks

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like cut copy paste exactly, and
they were all lies. Because when you

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take a look at the surveillance videos
that they had of the two correctional officers,

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they are on their computers, they're
looking at furniture there, they're googling

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things, they're reading, and they're
sleeping, all right, So they're sleeping

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on watch when they are charged with
the highest profile federal prisoner in that facility.

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The next thing, where are who? Oh yeah, who, by

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the way, three days earlier supposedly
tried to commit suicide? Right exactly?

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Or was assaulted? Yes, exactly
assaulted? That was never determined, right,

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all right? So what happens to
the surveillance cameras? What happens to

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the surveillance camera in his cell?
There's no surveillance camera in his cell.

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What happens to the surveillance camera pointing
outside? Well, guess what my information

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was that camera was either deleted or
not working. Again, what are the

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chances that those those things would happen? You know, just like stack it

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up and yes, skeptical, you
have not one, but two prison guards

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that that lie and fudge the reports
right on the observation reports. Okay,

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00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:05.719
why are not observing the highest profile
prisoner in their in their correctional facility,

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who just three days before to their
statement, might have been suicidal? What

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is he doing in that cell?
Why do both of them lie? Now?

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What happens with these people? They
take a deferred prosecution plea. So

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they are not prosecuted. They end
up getting is that they get statements to

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the FBI. Where are those statements? Those have never been transparent. Those

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statements were never released to the media. Okay, so we can so investigators

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like us can take a look at
them. These guys, these two officers

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got one hundred hours of community service
time and monitoring for six months, and

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then their case went away. Prosecution
was deferred. I mean, it's just

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absolutely amazing. And doctor, let
me ask you this, see okay,

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because some you know, I hear
from some people. Bill, Why are

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you concerned about Epstein? He was
a creep, He's dead. We don't

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have to deal with him anymore.
Why why should we know what happened?

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We should know what happens because of
the high profile political and monarchal context that

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they had. He was a sex
trafficker, okay, his girlfriend was a

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sex trafficker. They were involved with
the royal family in England. They were

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involved with Bill Gates, they were
involved with political figures in the United States

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at almost the very highest level political
you had. You had Bill Clinton on

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his plane noted many times times,
yes, right, seen times, and

437
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so what do they know? What
do they know? These are political figure

438
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that could be blackmailed? What did
Epstein know? What kind of records did

439
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he have, especially out in the
Virgin Islands. I know the Virgin Islands

440
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very well. I trained their police
department. I had an I had an

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office for three years in krist Instead
on the island of Saint Croix. I

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know the islands. Okay, it's
an extremely corrupt place. So I mean,

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they're just so many coincidens. Listen, this is what we don't know

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because the guards work to plea I'll
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Well, the noted criminologists and death
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us, author of the books that
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a fictitious story that is absolutely believable. So, I mean, the book

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has just done astronomically. Well,
I'll tear our audience has been surprised here

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because we've been reporting on this because
they think, again, you know,

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they're told what they're to believe,
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They have a supply chain, they
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I think all but maybe eight states
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this is why they generated what thirteen
billion dollars in profit as best estimates

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last year. Doctor On, Oh, absolutely, I work on a lot

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of border issues, of border cases, and you know, if they get

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into the book and just think on
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seven transnational Mexican drug and humans traveling
cartels, and and then the story again,

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which takes place in a fictional county
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and it's fast paced, it's moving, it's extremely exciting. Well that's

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website as well, available at all
the usual places. An excellent read.

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Well, it's clear that, you
know, typical of today's FBI, the

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Justice Department. The truth is clearly
being suppressed. And as we've said throughout

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00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:07.559
this interview, you're being told what
you should believe, not what you know.

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00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.800
Just set that aside. Trust them
they know better than new I mean,

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00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.119
which amazes me, Doctor Rockca is
whether we're talking in COVID or other

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things that we should have clear examples
with. We have the cumulative intelligence of

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00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.320
three hundred and forty million people,
I think is massive compared to you know,

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00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:28.599
select few people like the James Comey's
of the world and Miller and that

517
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.199
that have proven time and again they're
untrustworthy. So our Justice Department FBI has

518
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:38.639
been greatly compromised and they want us
to believe a particular narrative, but not

519
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.599
the truth. Now this is why
you're here. Yeah, no, you're

520
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.159
absolutely correct. You know, let's
go back to the correction officers and what

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00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.360
happened there very briefly, and the
one thing to keep in mind is because

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00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.719
the correction officers who found him.
So those two correction officers, Tovin Noel

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00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:01.840
and Michael Thomas Fine Epstein, they
meet imediately take Epstein to the infirmary.

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00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:08.320
So no photographs are taken of Epstein
in the position his body was, which

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00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.239
was hanging. Okay, so we
have no pictures of that. We don't

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00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.519
have any pictures of him with the
ligature around his neck, with him suspended

527
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.920
either a suspension hanging where his feet
are off the ground. Now this stuff

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00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.320
that you're pointing out is basic.
I mean, this is what anybody coming

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00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.960
into would do, right. All
that is suspended. All that is totally

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00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.000
suspensolutely. So the only pictures that
the FBI have and the only pictures that

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00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.960
are released to the public are what
the jail cell looked like inside. Okay,

532
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:43.960
So, but we do have a
ligature, and the ligature is a

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00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.360
braided bedsheet around his neck, which
is really important because I looked at the

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00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.880
photographs. Michael Boden looked at the
photographs, and we both made the same

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00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:04.960
determination. The signature marks around Jeffrey
epstein neck did not reconcile with the type

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00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.639
of braided ligature that we saw.
The nets are a regular hanging, exactly

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00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.840
exactly. So there are a couple
of different hangings, just so that your

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viewers understand. There is a suspension
hanging where someone's feet do not touch the

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00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.440
ground, all right, And then
there is what's called a leaning hanging,

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kind of like the way Robin Williams
committed suicide, where you tie the end

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of the ligature to a device.
In Williams's case, I believe it was

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a dorn and arm. You get
on your knees, you lean forward,

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and as you lean forward, your
carotid arteries are compressed, which prevents oxygenated

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00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.280
blood from running into the brain.
You become an oxyd You pass out within

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00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.079
a number of seconds. Usually it's
like anywhere from ten to twenty seconds,

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00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:00.079
and then the body leans forward because
you are unconscious, completing asphyxiation, and

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00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.719
within four and a half to five
and a half minutes we have death.

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00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.440
We don't have that. We don't
know whether it was a suspension hanging.

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00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.639
We don't know whether it was a
lean hang The next thing which is very

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00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.920
suspicious to people that look at jail
hangings, and that is we have three

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00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.880
fractures of the neckbone. So we
have the hyoid bone which is located directly

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00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.440
beneath the jawbone, and that is
fractured bilaterally one side one side, it's

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00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.000
fractured. And then you have the
thyroid bone which is also fractured. And

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00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:38.280
the presence of particular hemorrhaging for the
viewer. Particulal hemorrhaging are blood capillaries in

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00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:42.719
the eyes and the whites of the
eyes and around the eyes that burst.

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And the reason for that is in
a manual strangulation, is that when a

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person is a killer, is trying
to strangle you, they compress the veins,

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00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:01.280
but they don't compress the arteries.
Okay, so you have um.

559
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:07.519
The artery is still allowing completely still
allowing blood to go up into the brain,

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00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.519
but the venus system carries the blood
back into the heart and when that

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00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.880
can't happen, it creates a bursting, a pressure in a bursting. Right

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00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.239
now, Other pathologists and I can't
disagree. Other pathologists say, well,

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00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.960
in a number of hangings that are
non you know that are non murders,

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00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.840
h you have particular hemorrhaging because the
blood is allowed to do that. But

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00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:37.519
you know, it's very hard,
very difficult to have three compressed neck bones

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right to the point where they're fractured. Yes, doctor, we've got about

567
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.679
a minute and a half left.
Touch on the autopsies. The autopsies are

568
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.719
interesting because Boden says that there's cause
to believe that this was a murder and

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00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.840
it wasn't a suicide. I agree
with Michael Boden. The the the pathologist,

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00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:04.760
the medical examiner who did the autopsy
disagrees. And there's some medical you

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00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.039
know, science research, and I've
looked at it. All that can go

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00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.880
both ways. But the point is
I think doctor Boden is correct, this

573
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:19.599
is inconclusive. We need to see
more transparency in this investigation. So back

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00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.280
to the original question, murder or
suicide. I'm kind of leaning on murder,

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00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.239
yeah, and that's where the facts
bring us to this point, and

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00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.559
we need to have an increasing amount
of curiosity to finally get to the bottom

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00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.280
of this, right Doctor COOLi I
agree entirely because we don't have all the

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00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.239
evidence, so you know, I
can't say conclusively it was murder. Do

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00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.440
I believe that it's leaning towards homicide
in something far more sinister and suspicious.

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00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.760
Absolutely, but I can't be conclusive. And that's the way I think doctor

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00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:57.519
Boden and I both see this investigation
exactly. Doctor Ron Martinelli the forensic criminologists

582
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.719
and death investigator on Bill Martinez Show
this afternoon. Doctor Ron, thank you

583
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.599
so much for being with us.
I appreciate all the insight and information.

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00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.079
Thank you. Okay, take care, have a great day. That is

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going to be a rap for us
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